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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Jim, you've created an enemy for life in @MMH now. He hasn't been posting for a while and has never won any real trophy at RFF but this sort of thing will really fucking grind his gears.
    I think he will be OK. Considering my team are about 80 on the list of the 92 clubs, he will let me off my naivety....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Jim, you've created an enemy for life in @MMH now. He hasn't been posting for a while and has never won any real trophy at RFF but this sort of thing will really fucking grind his gears.
    I HAVE WON THREE MMH CUPS!

    Fuck it, I hope Derby batter you now.

    I don't really, I want you back where you belong.

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    MMH Cups

    The equivalent of the Charity Shield or the Fair Play award.

    Thank you.

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    Classic that someone who has never won the MMH cup would try and belittle it.

    I suppose it's classic that the only person to ever retain it would also hold it in high regard.

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    I have won it. I’ve won everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    MMH Cups

    The equivalent of the Charity Shield or the Fair Play award.

    Thank you.
    If you look at it properly though it is the proper indicator of consistency.

    Ok I only score 1 each week but still, its better than nothing...

    Anyway I chose not to win anything to help with the integrity of the game....

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    Beebs tried the opposite of that and still failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    I HAVE WON THREE MMH CUPS!

    Fuck it, I hope Derby batter you now.

    I don't really, I want you back where you belong.
    So Derby don't belong? FUCK YOU.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I will be gutted and down for a bit if we lose to Villa but I would have been fucking sick to my stomach if we had got knocked out by those cunts.

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    What's so bad about getting beaten by a bigger team?

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    Only nutters like Leeds.

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    Clearly not.

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    Top bantz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    I have won it. Iíve won everything.
    When did you win it?

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    A few years ago. I only remember not wanting to boast about it because it meant nothing compared to every other trophy available.

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    I can't find where you won it - any idea what year?

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    I won them all the trophies in the same season and I don't like to mention it so I understand what you're saying.

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    January 4th 2017.

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    Frank leading the players in a song in the dressing room after is my new favorite thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    January 4th 2017.
    Many congratulations. You'll appreciate the need to confirm what silverware everyone has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    So Derby don't belong? FUCK YOU.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I will be gutted and down for a bit if we lose to Villa but I would have been fucking sick to my stomach if we had got knocked out by those cunts.
    I find Derby to be a good traditional club and I have as being in and around the top division.

    Problem with Derby is everytime they come up they do absolutely nothing so its a waste of a space.

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    Well the last time yes, But before with Jim Smith we had 6 seasons with a couple of good finishes.

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    Wembley twice in one season. Put your money on more heartbreak boys.

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    Got a ticket for Monday. Here we go again.

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    Rob Dorsett loves the Villa lol. I'd love to say I'm looking forward to Monday but I'd be lying.

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    Someone get to Mik's house and hide the knives!

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    14 hours to go! Fight me @The Rosk !

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    Bricking it today.

    On paper I think we lose. They battered us recently etc and Grealish is a mad ting. In my heart though is Mason Mount and his lovely face smiling after mangling in a winner.

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    That fucking goalkeeper, Jesus fucking Christ.

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    Congrats Villa and @TheRosk

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    Unlucky @son_of_foley and @Peter Griffin.

    John McGinn was outstanding today.

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    We signed him then loaned him to you for a season... didn't we??

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    Well played Rosk. The hurt has taken a back seat right now to eye rolling at sky. It had absolutely no bearing on the result obviously, But given how the story came back around after we beat Leeds and how many times our Chairman, Manager and any one at the club have been asked before and after the match about Chelsea I do wonder what their fucking game is.

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    Ok,For example sky interviewed our chairman before and after todays game asking if there had been contact from Chelsea. In what world would his answer of changed in that timeframe? I get Frank going back would be a big story but they are taking the fucking piss a bit mate.

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    Just accept your loss gracefully and stop lashing out randomly.

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    Good one.

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    You should take his advice, he knows all about losing being a Sunderland fan.

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    That was implied within my post.

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    I have no issue with Villa they deserved to win on the day and when all is said and done I think it was just one game too far. This summer is going to be key, With several out of contracts and loanees going back one would think the academy will be utilised more as well as young signings ftom L1 and 2. Loan signings as well I assume.

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    It's anybody's next year.

    All you need is a couple of unbelievable loan signings who give everything for you like Tyrone Mings, Axel Tuanzebe and Tammy Abraham did for us.

    Couple that with the best bargain in history like John McGinn, a superstar from your youth setup like Jack Grealish, and you're set for promotion lads.

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    Just want to say a big, big thanks to @Torn for Dean Smith. You can have Hogan back as a thank you.

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    Thats another thing actually, I like Dean, If we had lost to a Pulis team I would have gone full griffin

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    Well. It's a big 9 weeks ahead for Smith to get the squad ready for the Prem.

    Back on loan: Tuanzebe, Mings, Abraham, Hause, el Ghazi - all of whom we should look to bring back where possible

    It's time to go: Adomah, Hutton, McCormack, Tshibola, Bjarnason, Jedinak.

    That leaves

    GKs: Steer (decent), Kalinic (crap), Nyland (no idea)
    Defence: Chester (fucked), Taylor (a bit crap), Elmo (alright), Elphick (below average(
    Midfield: Grealish (God), McGinn (Jesus), Hourihane (decent), Whelan (surely not cut out for Prem now), Lansbury (constantly dead), Green (green)
    Forwards: Kodjia (never played in Prem and wasteful), Davis (green)

    We need about 7 players at least. I trust Smith knows what he's doing, but we need to get moving sharpish given the new transfer window rules.

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    Surely you don't want to buy too many, look what happened to Fulham last season. I haven't seen a huge amount of Villa this season but from what I have seen/know about players from previous years, I'd say you need a striker, a centre back and maybe a winger as priorities?

    TBH I always worry a bit when a team goes up on the back of a load of loanees. In all likelihood you won't get many of those back - Mings and Abraham almost certainly not, as you'd expect both of them to be part of the first team for Bournemouth and Chelsea next year. Grealish, McGinn and Hourihane does strike me as a strong, balanced centre mid set up though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Surely you don't want to buy too many, look what happened to Fulham last season. I haven't seen a huge amount of Villa this season but from what I have seen/know about players from previous years, I'd say you need a striker, a centre back and maybe a winger as priorities?

    TBH I always worry a bit when a team goes up on the back of a load of loanees. In all likelihood you won't get many of those back - Mings and Abraham almost certainly not, as you'd expect both of them to be part of the first team for Bournemouth and Chelsea next year. Grealish, McGinn and Hourihane does strike me as a strong, balanced centre mid set up though.
    Surely it depends if Mings wants to push for it or not. Why would he be guaranteed a starting place over Cook/Ake/Mepham at CB, when he was left to go on loan in January? Played 17 games for them in 42 months (admittedly with injuries) but if we go balls out with a decent offer, I'm not sure they could turn it down when their only other way of making money is probably through selling Fraser at this point?

    He should be our priority signing of the window without doubt.

    We apparently have options to buy El Ghazi and Hause which is good, and the option to match any transfer bid that comes in for Mings.

    Abraham is almost certainly a non-starter unfortunately given the Chelsea transfer ban. If that hadn't happened, I'd reckon we'd have a shot.

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    Oh it didn't really occur to me that you might be in to buy him, I assumed you were talking about another loan. He does look very good. Abraham is a funny one, I don't think he's good enough for Chelsea but their transfer ban means they might have to keep him in the squad for a year. You could always sign Vincent Janssen to replace him.

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    Mings said "hopefully mate" when asked on video if he was staying at Villa not 4 days ago, and now we're in the PL I'm sure he'd like to stay if he could. So I guess it's on us to do a big enough reasonable bid to get him. He's had nothing but love for the place since his arrival so it's on us now I reckon.

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    Hope he does go, England could do with a left footed (?) centre back coming through the ranks. How old is he, 22/23?

    Bielsa is staying at Leeds

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    Woopie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Hope he does go, England could do with a left footed (?) centre back coming through the ranks. How old is he, 22/23?

    Bielsa is staying at Leeds
    Can't see much wrong with him at the moment. Yes left footed. He's also 26 you mentalist.

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    Jesus fuck I am so old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Just want to say a big, big thanks to @Torn for Dean Smith. You can have Hogan back as a thank you.
    He's a top bloke. Pleased for him and pleased for you. Funnily enough we actually get an extra million from you now due to the Hogan deal as you got promoted. Half the new Danish midfield lad paid for already.

    I'm less worried about him looking back here for players now, I think if you stayed in the Champ and got the Grealish money he'd be after atleast one of Maupay, Benrahma and Sawyers. Maupay is probably off anyway mind.

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    Hear we are going back in for Lolley. Will take a lot to get him I imagine, but he'd be a quality signing. One of the absolute best in the Championship, and a Villa lad to boot. Him, McGinn and Grealish

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    McCormack must be loving the extra pay next season despite not playing for Villa for almost two years.

    Who on earth would take him at the wages he's currently getting?

    And despite Jedi and his immense beard, he's got no place in the prem, barely even in the championship... But he's still got a year on contract doesn't he? Or is he off and probably coming to Australia for one last hurrah?

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    Jedinak can have a year of free wages for his penalty in the shootout and celebration afterwards alone. He could easily play a role in the Championship for a team needing experience. He played a fair bit at CB for us and got outpaced a lot, as he's lost his legs almost completely now. Still got a great leap on him and made of strong stuff mind.

    I have to have hope that we aren't going to be doing stupid transfers in the coming few months for over-the-hill bollocks looking for a pay packet and putting it down to "experience". Micah Richards ffs. It's not the Dean Smith philosophy so I have confidence, but the last few years in the Prem have left a rather sour taste.

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    As for McCormack... I don't even know what to say. Cost us £12m, scores three goals, gets fat, doesn't turn up to training because his gates were locked at home, goes on loan to four clubs (three of which wanted rid when they realised he couldn't be arsed to run)... and is now going to get £3.5million for the next year through sitting on his arse, not bothered about his career. Everything I hate about the modern footballer.

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    He was half okay for one club down here and absolutely dire for the other. How a bloke with that talent can be that shit in a league as bad as ours is pretty disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    As for McCormack... I don't even know what to say. Cost us £12m, scores three goals, gets fat, doesn't turn up to training because his gates were locked at home, goes on loan to four clubs (three of which wanted rid when they realised he couldn't be arsed to run)... and is now going to get £3.5million for the next year through sitting on his arse, not bothered about his career. Everything I hate about the modern footballer.
    We had a similar conversation about Jack Rodwell.

    Ah well, back to the drawing board again. If the drawing board doesn’t say ‘must buy a goalscorer’, then we need to go back to the drawing board to back to the drawing board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torn View Post
    He's a top bloke. Pleased for him and pleased for you. Funnily enough we actually get an extra million from you now due to the Hogan deal as you got promoted. Half the new Danish midfield lad paid for already.

    I'm less worried about him looking back here for players now, I think if you stayed in the Champ and got the Grealish money he'd be after atleast one of Maupay, Benrahma and Sawyers. Maupay is probably off anyway mind.
    Talk of Smith going for Maupay for £18m.

    Or £6m + Hogan. Deal?

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    20m-25m and you'll get him

    30 with Hogan the other way

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    Villa have found their way onto DHOTYA, and honestly, it makes it all worth it.

    It's fucking amazing.

    https://twitter.com/_DHOTYA/status/1134190050902720522

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    I'd rather have the promotion and double victory over you to be honest.

    Adomah, Hutton, Elphick, Jedinak all released already before the Prem. Brutal, but has to be done.

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    Like an early Christmas present.

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    I hear we're swapping Jota for Gardner. I'll take that.

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    From what I'm hearing it's a little bit of cash too, but agree, think it's a good move for all involved.

    Jota can be out of this world but so often doesn't perform to the level you think he should. The Prem might actually suit him better.

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    Jota is a great signing and a good price. Dean got the most out of him and knows how to play to his strengths. Look forward to seeing him in the Prem.

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    We can revive the "best player in the league" discussion with Jota v Ross McCormack in the Prem.

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    We can revive the "best player in the league" discussion with Jota v Ross McCormack in the Prem.
    McCormack

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    Jota wins by default. McCormack has never been a Premier League player and has been released.

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    Imagine ever even mentioning Ross McCormack alongside the delightful flowing locks of Jota

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Jota wins by default. McCormack has never been a Premier League player and has been released.
    You can piss off out of this thread now mate thanks.

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    Where? To your flat, because youíre covered in your own shit?

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    ...Maybe.

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    Benrahma @Torn?

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    30m please


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    If all these players of yours were worth what you suggest you’d have done a lot better than finish 11th last year.

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    What other player other than Maupay am I suggesting is worth that much? The other one was Mepham who we already sold for a wedge. In all seriousness closer to 20m is reality but as always with our transfers the club has a valuation for each player and until it's met they don't go. See Maupay in Jan. We had like 30m of player sales last year so we aren't under any pressure to sell anyone let alone someone who only joined last year on a four year deal.

    Predictably Sky say the club agrees
    "Aston Villa have seen a move for Said Benrahma knocked back by Brentford, Sky Sports News understands.

    The Bees do not want to sell the Algeria winger this summer and are understood to have made it clear it would take a huge offer for them to even consider his sale."

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    Out of interest. What would you value your other players at?

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    Just making it clear when we talk about this valuation stuff. We'll definitely overprice players based on importance to us, length of contract, how much we actually think someone might pay for them etc. We used to be so shit at this before Benham and now we end up getting big fees for our players every time. When we sold Forshaw he didn't play until Wigan finally ponied up the fee we wanted. Same with Tarkowski and Burnley. Mepham we just flat out rejected Bournemouth's bids until Jan. Some obviously aren't worth it. Scott Hogan. Jota to a certain extent. Our whole team ended up playing to their strengths. But clubs pay it anyway because the transfer market is so inflated and we play it well. Bit better than selling DJ Campbell for 50k in a promotion run season.

    In terms of value as in what I think it would take for them to accept the offer
    Maupay and Benrahma around 20m
    Watkins 10m or so. Didn't have a good year. Wouldn't mind cashing in if someone wants to pay that.
    Konsa probably next highest, England U21 around 10m too. Big future. Like he's currently not actually worth 10m but as he's young and we will play him to develop him why would we sell for less. If that makes sense.
    Rico Henry probably 5m? Great player but so many injuries.
    Sawyers last year of contract probably 5m. Rolls royce of a player
    Kamo in same position. Not as much as Sawyers. Few mil.
    Bentley couple of mil. Someone buy him ok.
    Canos I have no idea.
    Jeanvier we signed for around 2m last year. We wouldn't sell him for that but with injuries he hasn't played enough to up it much.

    Remember we have a lot of young talent and give them plenty of games and a lot inexperience and players finding their feet doesn't always equal results on the pitch even if individually teams would pay a lot for them. Players like Konsa had some big ups and downs throughout the year. But he'll still fetch a fair wedge if anyone wanted to pay it. We'll see when we sell them if any of this is accurate.

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    Cheers. I completely get it, but find it mad. I wish we had your set up over the last three years, put it that way. Christ.

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    Anything in the rumours about Monk being unhappy and leaving, @JP?

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    From what I hear it's more the owners are unhappy with Monk. Given these are the same people who sacked Rowett while we were out of the play-offs on goal difference, I can buy that. Apparently they aren't a fan of his football philosophy or his potential signings. They're after more expansive, creative football and signings. Because that worked so well with Zola, Redknapp and and the fucking points deduction.

    When it comes to community and social, they are genuinely some of the best owners in football. When it comes to football decisions, they seem to be somewhat clueless.

    We're not there yet, there is some push back which is being heard and felt, but for this to even be something which has crept up on us after a season in which every single Blues fan was overjoyed with - team solid, no relegation worries, management in place who get the club, absolute belief that next year the play-offs are a realistic target - is just insane.

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    Yeah but your well shot of Rowett tbf, Parasitic cuntwaffle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    As happy I am to have him at Blues, how the fuck is Jota not playing at a higher level?
    He is now mate.

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    I hate you.

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    What sort of madness is going on at Charlton. That club announcement re Bowyer is absurd.

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    They're meeting again tomorrow morning apparently. Bowyer was offered 200k on a 1 year deal. Lampard is on 2m a year so bowyer quite rightly wants at least a bit more

    Roland is a crank though and that statement on the website today was absurd, especially as Bowyer was under the impression talks were still ongoing. It seems to me efl fit and proper test isn't fit and proper....

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    Bowyer has signed an extension

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    I would be really surprised if Frank was on 2m a year as we were 'cutting' the wage bill but who knows.

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    Can't believe Birmingham seem to have let Morrison walk away for nothing.

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    Is this list of players accurate?
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cham...wettbewerb/GB2

    Some class talent there if so.
    Rakeem Harper, Corry Evans, Josh McEchran, Josh Vela

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    Quote Originally Posted by connorboy View Post
    Bowyer has signed an extension
    Utter, utter madness.

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    Rondon isn't out of contract?

    McEachran is gone for us (along with Macleod and Barbet and we didn't take up the option on Moses which was odd tbh) he is also absolute shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Can't believe Birmingham seem to have let Morrison walk away for nothing.
    Holding off on getting wound up about this until more comes out.

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    Explains why Monk said all those things about Roberts at the end of the season.

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    SUgsuggiahihaohiw what a tinpot club. Sorry JP.

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