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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    At the very last minute, ROH just snuck in the absolute worst, dogshit, promo of the entire decade. from Vincent.

    Shockingly bad
    That's sad, because I dig Vinnie. I'm a mark for the "Horror King" thing when he used to loose balloons from under the ring like Pennywise from IT.

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    Hopefully things change for the better now that Marty Scurll is the head booker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Hopefully things change for the better now that Marty Scurll is the head booker
    If they were willing to do this for him, it does make me puzzled as to how far this idea went down the pike for the EVPs of AEW before AEW was a thing. Maybe they weren't interested at all. If they didn't offer it at all to them and decided to do it now...that's...weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    If they were willing to do this for him, it does make me puzzled as to how far this idea went down the pike for the EVPs of AEW before AEW was a thing. Maybe they weren't interested at all.
    I doubt we'll ever know what exactly happened there. You have three sides there between the Elite, ROH, and NJPW. The first crew sans Cody won't stop spinning conspiracy theories to Meltzer, the second crew are delusional, and the third crew haven't and will never talk on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    I doubt we'll ever know what exactly happened there. You have three sides there between the Elite, ROH, and NJPW. The first crew sans Cody won't stop spinning conspiracy theories to Meltzer, the second crew are delusional, and the third crew haven't and will never talk on the subject.
    Right. That's why I wonder if The Elite were really interested if the proposition was actually broached to them. Something makes me think that if ROH offered it at some point, it would have been leaked (to the detriment of ROH, so leaked by The Elite).

    If it wasn't offered to them but was to Scurll, it reeks of desperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Hopefully things change for the better now that Marty Scurll is the head booker
    Is that why Scurll showed up in NWA long enough to have a slice of Dave Lasagna and then hasn't been back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Is that why Scurll showed up in NWA long enough to have a slice of Dave Lasagna and then hasn't been back?
    Nick Aldis showed up on the last ROH show so they're working together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    I doubt we'll ever know what exactly happened there. You have three sides there between the Elite, ROH, and NJPW. The first crew sans Cody won't stop spinning conspiracy theories to Meltzer, the second crew are delusional, and the third crew haven't and will never talk on the subject.
    what do you mean by 'conspiracy theories'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    what do you mean by 'conspiracy theories'
    Most notably that story about getting Omega banned from the country for 10 years.

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    lol i hadnt heard that one. what was the deal there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    lol i hadnt heard that one. what was the deal there
    Omega told Meltzer that he was stopped by customs when he flew over to Japan, and said the customs agent told him that.

    Harold had to come out and be like not only did they not do that, but they didn't even have the power to if they wanted to.


    People who work on visas in Japan say the most likely thing is once Omega did that interview in Tokyo Sports quitting the promotion New Japan pulled their sponsorship of his visa and he tried to enter the country with it anyway and that's what got him in trouble.

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    So Scurll is head booker? ROH basically need to part the cheeks and work with whoever they can at this point, right? ROH, NWA and TNA becoming their own territory system with NOAH thrown in is the play. Keep talent fluid, there's enough there in the 3 companies to work with.

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    Just to be clear Defrost, The guys that left NJPW are conspiracists or delusional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Just to be clear Defrost, The guys that left NJPW are conspiracists or delusional?
    Conspiracists.

    Joe Koff and Carey Silkin are delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    I doubt we'll ever know what exactly happened there. You have three sides there between the Elite, ROH, and NJPW. The first crew sans Cody won't stop spinning conspiracy theories to Meltzer, the second crew are delusional, and the third crew haven't and will never talk on the subject.
    Looks like Fightful has reported that Cody was offered a similar position prior to leaving ROH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    Looks like Fightful has reported that Cody was offered a similar position prior to leaving ROH.
    Also that story says Gresham is in charge of the ROH women's division now

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    They're bringing back the Pure Title

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    They're bringing back the Pure Title
    Very random if you ask me. What is the reasoning behind needing a 5th title in a company that has like 20 people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Very random if you ask me. What is the reasoning behind needing a 5th title in a company that has like 20 people?
    Johnathan Gresham wants a title?

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    March 14th we'll see the return of XAVIER. The dude has been retired since 2011 and has accepted Jay Lethal's challenge. I was never a big Xavier fan but I only saw a handful of his matches. The love he gets, hit or miss. It'll be interesting to see if Xavier still has what it takes.

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    Xavier? Really?

    I mean, he was aight. But why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Xavier? Really?

    I mean, he was aight. But why?
    Something about Jay Lethal being on this crusade to beat ROH "Legends". He's defeated guys like AJ Styles, Daniels, Low Ki, etc. but Xavier I guess being the 1st or 2nd champ was high on his list as well. Still odd....Like I said it never seemed like I read too many fanboys of Xavier. Shit even in the EWR game he had like a 55 overall lol.

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    Yeah, his status as a "legend" is very circumstantial. I was always confused by the choice to have him beat Low-Ki, especially when you had Christopher Daniels right there.

    - - - Updated - - -

    And then Samoa Joe took him out right around the corner and basically made ROH. He's such a footnote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Yeah, his status as a "legend" is very circumstantial. I was always confused by the choice to have him beat Low-Ki, especially when you had Christopher Daniels right there.

    - - - Updated - - -

    And then Samoa Joe took him out right around the corner and basically made ROH. He's such a footnote.
    Yeah it's like being the first ever ECW champion. Nobody remembers that Jimmy Snuka was their first champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    They're bringing back the Pure Title
    Maybe they're bringing in Daniel Makabe...

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    My fantasy Ring Of Honor Card:

    PCO vs. Jeff Cobb for the World Title
    Bandido vs. Dalton Castle for the TV Title
    The Villain vs. RUSH
    Lethal & Gresham vs. Dragon Lee & Kenny King for the Tag Titles
    Flip Gordon & Brody King vs. The Briscoes

    Glad I got that out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    My fantasy Ring Of Honor Card:

    PCO vs. Jeff Cobb for the World Title
    Bandido vs. Dalton Castle for the TV Title
    The Villain vs. RUSH
    Lethal & Gresham vs. Dragon Lee & Kenny King for the Tag Titles
    Flip Gordon & Brody King vs. The Briscoes

    Glad I got that out
    That looks 1,000% like any actual Ring of Honor card, to be honest.

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    I guess I should have clarified, this is if I had to book the show Right Now with the Current Roster and Champions.

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    Had no idea ROH DVDs were still sought after. I've got 3 on e-Bay and bids are actually in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Had no idea ROH DVDs were still sought after. I've got 3 on e-Bay and bids are actually in.

    Yeah man I actually just finished watching ROH Year 3 the other day. The problem is that there are soooo many to choose from that I tend to stray from wrestler specific and just buy the ones that are "compilations". Either from their store or Highspots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Yeah man I actually just finished watching ROH Year 3 the other day. The problem is that there are soooo many to choose from that I tend to stray from wrestler specific and just buy the ones that are "compilations". Either from their store or Highspots.
    I could really cash in from the looks of things, but I'm reluctant to part with 2006. I have the first show of the year and every show through to the end of the ROH/CZW feud that lasted most of the year. Epic shit in there. And Danielson's title run too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I could really cash in from the looks of things, but I'm reluctant to part with 2006. I have the first show of the year and every show through to the end of the ROH/CZW feud that lasted most of the year. Epic shit in there. And Danielson's title run too.
    I have the Death Before Dishonor DVD with that wild ROH v. CZW cage of death match. I like this DVD because they recap the build of the feud so you get to see a bunch of wild shit. I only remember reading about the feud, didn't get to see anything until about 6 years ago. First ROH DVD I ever ordered.

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    It’s a great match, that. The whole feud is right up there as possibly even my favourite in wrestling. It was brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    It’s a great match, that. The whole feud is right up there as possibly even my favourite in wrestling. It was brilliant.

    Everything about it was great. Jim Cornette was a fucking goldmine during that build. Chris Hero, omg, if people aren't sold on that guy today that's alright because he was a gem once upon a time. That guy had all the potential in the world to be a top tier player in a major promotion. Just so many awesome moments and it felt REAL. It felt like what it was, a straight up wrestling promotion taking issue with a local rival that was all about razorwire and death spots. I think that's why Corny was the perfect "authority figure" type. He hated that CZW shit for real and they hated him even more lol.

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    The stretch from Manhattan Mayhem in 2005 to Glory By Honor in 2006 was fucking outstanding. Summer of Punk, ROH vs. CZW and the Bryan, Nigel and Aries/Strong simultaneous domination of the three divisions. Then in terms of matches, Joe vs. Kobashi, Bryan vs. Nigel, Bryan vs. KENTA and Cage of Death and the famous Dragon Gate 6 man were all different and spectacular. The stuff that they managed to do in 16 months, for an independent, crazy. I'll probably get the streaming service for a couple of months if they upload that era, so great.

    And nearly 15 fucking years ago! Where does the time go?

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    I’m so glad I have 95% of that stretch on DVD.

    And such a great point about that being the perfect use of Cornette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    The stretch from Manhattan Mayhem in 2005 to Glory By Honor in 2006 was fucking outstanding. Summer of Punk, ROH vs. CZW and the Bryan, Nigel and Aries/Strong simultaneous domination of the three divisions. Then in terms of matches, Joe vs. Kobashi, Bryan vs. Nigel, Bryan vs. KENTA and Cage of Death and the famous Dragon Gate 6 man were all different and spectacular. The stuff that they managed to do in 16 months, for an independent, crazy. I'll probably get the streaming service for a couple of months if they upload that era, so great.

    And nearly 15 fucking years ago! Where does the time go?
    Apparently, ROH has said they're overhauling they're Honor Club(or whatever they're streaming service is called) and including the entire back catalogue. So you should be in luck.

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    i was excited when i heard that but then i realized all the music will have to be changed. copyrights are evil

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    Surely Europe and Beanie Sigel would give up the loot for peanuts.

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    Just read on the front page, Flamita - Never saw the guy wrestle, but he sounds like an excellent Tex-Mex restaurant - Injured himself in a match at Free Enterprise, ROH's last show, and he'll be out for an indeterminate period of time. He'll be replaced by PJ Black in select matches.

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    RUSH regained the ROH World championship over the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    RUSH regained the ROH World championship over the weekend.
    Poor PCO.

    That was what? About a 4-ish month run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    Poor PCO.

    That was what? About a 4-ish month run?
    4 months longer than he or anyone else ever thought he'd have. I was just watching the guy on WCW doing the job to Harlem Heat. 25 years later he's the fucking world champion. What is wrong with wrestling today in America?

    Lesnar, Goldberg are the WWE champions. Jericho was the AEW champ. PCO was the ROH champ. 3 of the 4 in their 50's. Tessa Blanchard as ROH champion. After Saturday it seems like we're making some better booking choices but still lol. Fuckin old timers and Tessa lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    4 months longer than he or anyone else ever thought he'd have. I was just watching the guy on WCW doing the job to Harlem Heat. 25 years later he's the fucking world champion. What is wrong with wrestling today in America?

    Lesnar, Goldberg are the WWE champions. Jericho was the AEW champ. PCO was the ROH champ. 3 of the 4 in their 50's. Tessa Blanchard as ROH champion. After Saturday it seems like we're making some better booking choices but still lol. Fuckin old timers and Tessa lol.
    I'm a mark for the "Frankenstein's Monster" gimmick, and I wanted to see who PCO could potentially have worked with as champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudz Mackenzie View Post
    I'm a mark for the "Frankenstein's Monster" gimmick, and I wanted to see who PCO could potentially have worked with as champion.
    Oh I like the gimmick, but as a top champion, even in ROH just felt odd. Looking at their roster, I'm not exactly sure who I'd be high on seeing him wrestle because 90% of these people are completely unknown to me. I think 4 months was a good run for a guy at this stage in his career.

    I still think Dalton Castle could bring this company up. He had a back injury while champ so it was unfortunate how little he was able to do. But I mean shit, he's someone who could go to a bigger promotion like WWE or AEW and knock it out the park still.

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    i don't see it at all. he seems like a role player at best. never saw anything special besides his gimmick when he first came to prominence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    i don't see it at all. he seems like a role player at best. never saw anything special besides his gimmick when he first came to prominence
    I just think if he wasn't injured the entire time he was champion it would have helped and with how weak the roster is right now, he would be a guy I'd be putting in the main event. I'm a huge fan of his though and while I have to admit when he first came in, that first year especially the Silas feud was pretty awesome. It's just that since he lost the title he's been somewhat of a non-factor and I'm not sure why.

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    silas is a guy i enjoy. loved his heel gimmick. would love to seem him somewhere else. maybe as the butcher's deflated brother in AEW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    silas is a guy i enjoy. loved his heel gimmick. would love to seem him somewhere else. maybe as the butcher's deflated brother in AEW
    My son thought that was Silas at first because we hadn't really been watching ROH for a year or so but then remembered he's not all tatted and not as homeless tattoo shop owner looking as Butcher.

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    RIP Xavier. Just read he's passed.

    Shame he didn't get to return to ROH for the Past vs. Present event against Jay Lethal.

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    Just after I was rediscovering his awesomeness. RIP Xavier

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    Re-boot show was fantastic. New music, new look, and lots of video packages to get you into the Pure title tournament. Lethal/Castle and Gresham/Yuta we’re both great matches to start with too to showcase what the Pure style is all about.

    I haven’t recommending watching ROH to anyone in a long time, but I def recommend watching this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero! View Post
    Re-boot show was fantastic. New music, new look, and lots of video packages to get you into the Pure title tournament. Lethal/Castle and Gresham/Yuta we’re both great matches to start with too to showcase what the Pure style is all about.

    I haven’t recommending watching ROH to anyone in a long time, but I def recommend watching this.
    I'm having a hard time with how ROH books Dalton Castle. Jobs again. I knew he was losing when they had him facing Lethal in the first round. The only 2 former World champions and they have them in round 1? Terrible.

    It's a tournament with some solid talent in it though. I'll definitely check it out.

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    Castle has redemption with RUSH for the World Title

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