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    Oh nos, I'm back!

    So just thought I'd say I'd be at the Dayton show next Friday. It actually looks to be a fairly awesome card (posted for those of you who don't know nor can be assed to find out):

    ROH World Title Three Way Match
    Nigel McGuinness defends vs. Austin Aries vs. Tyler Black

    World Tag Team Title Match
    Kevin Steen & El Generico defend vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Delirious

    Grudge Match #1
    Bryan Danielson vs. Claudio Castagnoli

    Grudge Match #2
    Brent Albright vs. Davey Richards with Larry Sweeney

    Lights Out Match
    Roderick Strong vs. Chris Hero

    Four Corner Survival
    Sami Callahan vs. Rhett Titus vs. ??? vs ???

    If the question marks are Pelle Primeau and Silas Young, and Tyler Black somehow manages to fuck off between now and next Friday, I think this could be a very awesome card. Hopefully, I'll see Aries sell another Lariat RVD-style.

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    YUS!

    Sami Callihan is really very, very good. Covered him in my Ted Petty Invitational review.

    Him and Rhett Titus in a match together? Almost enough to make me watch.

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    Sami Callihan has got so much going for him, and I was among the first to jump on the Rhett Titus bandwagon, so I love the opener.

    The only match that I'll consider a piss-break is the Albright match; really, I loved the man in OVW, but to me Albright in ROH = Fail.

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    You should read Vice's and my review of fueling the fire a few threads down, because I think you'd agree with about everything I said.

    Good times.

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    Just about, 'cept for the Briscoes belonging in TNA. Everything about them screams 'Indy'. Besides, I've seen their tag matches against MCMG, and they blew. Like, everyone I talk to loves them, but to me it was just a wankfest of double-team moves and high spots with no rhyme or reason. Of course, if they did more things like their shotgun-AOTF promo, I might change my mind about that. Have you seen it? Hilariously glorious.

    But yes, Albright sucks a cock these days, and I still laugh every time I hear his submission maneuver being called 'THE CROWBARRRRRR!!!!!' Really, is it so hard to call it the Fujiwara armbar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    Oh nos, I'm back!

    So just thought I'd say I'd be at the Dayton show next Friday. It actually looks to be a fairly awesome card (posted for those of you who don't know nor can be assed to find out):
    It really does look like a solid card. Hopefully it gets a good turnout.

    More importantly, I hope Chicago does really well attendance wise. It'd be awesome if they sold enough tickets to bring back the large bleachers they had for Driven and Man Up.

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    Results from Dayton:

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    That site is godawful.

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    Ring of Honor announced two days ago that it's Pay-Per-Views will now be able on DirecTV starting in 2009 with Rising Above (being taped tonight).

    They will also air "ROH Classics".


    For the first time, ROH will debut "ROH Classics" on DIRECTV on Demand in early 2009. Approximately ten-hours of classic wrestling programming content from the ROH vaults will appear monthly on the platform. The best matches, rivalries and stars in ROH history will be featured.


    I think this is pretty big. Plus, now I get to order the PPVs.

    You still up for that bet Edgecutioner? We could do the cliche picking of the avatar thing.
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    Tonight's results:



    1,500 for the attendance!

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    From my report I have this being said it just may be the second version of Joe Vs. Kobashi.
    I love hyperbole. Especially since Joe vs. Kobashi is not as good as JOE VS. KOBASHI

    See what I did there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackening View Post
    Tonight's results:


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    I'm very curious to see what happens with ROH's attendance/sales/whatever when The Wrestler hits theaters, since they're getting a lot of advertisement with that. Especially if the movie gets great reviews.

    That is, of course, if people realize that Ring of Honor is an actual promotion and not something made up specifically for the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackening View Post
    Ring of Honor announced two days ago that it's Pay-Per-Views will now be able on DirecTV starting in 2009 with Rising Above (being taped tonight).

    They will also air "ROH Classics".


    For the first time, ROH will debut "ROH Classics" on DIRECTV on Demand in early 2009. Approximately ten-hours of classic wrestling programming content from the ROH vaults will appear monthly on the platform. The best matches, rivalries and stars in ROH history will be featured.


    I think this is pretty big. Plus, now I get to order the PPVs.

    You still up for that bet Edgecutioner? We could do the cliche picking of the avatar thing.
    I absolutely am, and I don't think that that, or the Wrestler will have any impact whatsoever on the flagging interest in the promotion.

    Avatars sounds fine, what is the exact bet?

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    So I just got home from the Chicago show.
    First ever ROH show or anything.
    Not really familiar with any of them really.
    However it was a pretty awesome show live.

    Sugerfoot was massively over. I dunno why. Is he some big time ROH wrestler?

    The I Quit Match, The Title Match, and the Samoa Joe match were the best 3 by far.
    I personally loved the I Quit match.

    Funny thing though with the Joe match.

    Joe was basically just fucking around with Tyler.
    And some guy in the bleachers with me yells "Diesel beat you!"
    Joe walks over to the corner closest to us. Starts doing a har har har funny pose. Grabs his nuts, does the jacking off motion, and tells the guy to basically fuck off.
    Crowd beginning chant "You Got Served" to the guy in the crowd.

    Pretty awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    Avatars sounds fine, what is the exact bet?
    If Ring of Honor is still running in 1 year (November 23, 2009), I get to pick the avatar you will use for one month.

    If they are out of business before that day, you get to pick the avatar I'll use for one month.

    Sound good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast View Post
    So I just got home from the Chicago show.
    First ever ROH show or anything.
    Not really familiar with any of them really.
    However it was a pretty awesome show live.

    Sugerfoot was massively over. I dunno why. Is he some big time ROH wrestler?

    The I Quit Match, The Title Match, and the Samoa Joe match were the best 3 by far.
    I personally loved the I Quit match.

    Pretty awesome
    Sugarfoot was a ROH student and he wrestles on the pre-shows or under card. People just always get behind him.

    Glad you had a good time.

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    Just got back (had to ride my bike, MASSIVE fail for public transportation afterwards). Place was balls out wild, it was a great atmosphere. I got inside at about 6:30 and the GA bleachers were already full.

    I can't think of how great the PPV's going to look. The tag title match seemed unnecessary and forced. Mark being hurt didn't help. Rhett/Delirious was okay. Del Rey/MsChif was better, Chif was bent in fucking half, it was tremendous. Claudio vs. the fans made the four way. The six-man was getting meh, Davey was pretty crazy, Albright hit some nice suplexes, and Ace (!) was in good form. The I Quit match was epic. Match of the Night easily. I could type about it, but you really have to see it. It was funny to hear the crowd go from mixed chanting for both wrestlers, then all you hear is "Die Jimmy, Die". And then they go back to mixed chanting. I think the finish to the Nigel/Dragon caught everyone by surprise. Half the place was sitting for the pinfall. It had its moments, but the two have them have had better matches. Crowd was beyond bonkers for Dragon. Joe/Black was better than I had anticipated. I didn't expect to see Joe flying out of the ring, considering his deal with TNA. Black got a ridiculous amount of air on this springboard clothesline. The finish still put him over, I guess, but he didn't look very strong. Then again, look who he faced.

    Joe put the locker room over with his little shpeel at the end. He kissed the logo in the center of the ring before he left. I'm still giddy from the show. This felt like a make or break event going in, and it really feels like they pulled it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackening View Post
    If Ring of Honor is still running in 1 year (November 23, 2009), I get to pick the avatar you will use for one month.

    If they are out of business before that day, you get to pick the avatar I'll use for one month.

    Sound good?

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    Sounds like a great show, I'll have to watch this one for sure.

    This was a PPV right? What matche's are going to be on the PPV? Obviously the Joe match won't be, but will everything else?

    Also, when does this PPV air?

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    It was a PPV taping, but I don't think what matches were taped for the PPV was specified. But like you said, the Joe match won't be on PPV.

    Also, I think they've only said 'Early 2009' for the air date.

    They also had a professional camera crew last night, including a camera crane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice View Post
    I'm very curious to see what happens with ROH's attendance/sales/whatever when The Wrestler hits theaters, since they're getting a lot of advertisement with that. Especially if the movie gets great reviews.

    That is, of course, if people realize that Ring of Honor is an actual promotion and not something made up specifically for the movie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    I absolutely am, and I don't think that that, or the Wrestler will have any impact whatsoever on the flagging interest in the promotion.
    I have little hope for The Wrestler bringing in new fans. It all depends if they take the time to look up ROH after they see the movie. Plus, we don’t know even know what kind of deal ROH and the producers made, in terms of finances.

    I don’t think that airing the PPVs on DirecTV will get that many new fans either. There will be ROH fans that have DirecTV (like me) that will order the PPVs and maybe some casual fans looking through the previews. It does show me though that the PPVs must be doing pretty good to stick with them and expand and the fact that they have the money to make this deal.

    I think hiring a professional camera crew is a good sign. I don’t think anyone is going to buy the DVD for that, but again it shows they have the money and is another positive step.

    Also, Chicago had one of the highest attendances in ROH history and they will be returning for another PPV in just 2 months.

    They seem to be doing pretty good financially and I think all of the above points together will gain some interest in the product, along with the Chicago show being great. Maybe it won't get back to the level it was in 2006, but it will get better.

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    YAY NIGEL. My vacation will not be ruined.

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    I was looking at some pictures from the Chicago show and Jacobs has grown quite the beard.

    http://moneyshot123.110mb.com/images...s/img_3747.jpg
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    Man. I just found out that ROH is going to be in St. Louis(well Collinsville) this Friday. Bad timing. No money for tickets. Sucks since even though I have never actually seen a ROH show I know some of the guys would love to see them in action.

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    Final Battle 2008 is looking awesome right now. Announced so far:

    Danielson vs. Morishima - Fight Without Honor
    Marufuji vs. Nigel - ROH title
    Briscoes vs. Sasaki/
    Nakajima
    Lynn vs. Hero vs. ? vs. ?

    Plus, Aries, Claudio, Black, Necro, Jacobs, Steen, Generico, etc that have yet to be booked.

    Plus, we get Marufuji/Aries and to a lesser extent Lynn/Danielson the night before.


    I just watched Low Ki vs. American Dragon from the 2nd show. I fucking love that match. Probably the match closest to a "shoot" that I've ever seen.
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    Am I missing something?

    They have a HUGE Japanese star, and he isn't coming within a mile of their World Champion?

    Is he not willing to job to McGuiness or something?

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    I was under the impression that Marufuji WAS a pretty big star in Japan.

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    He absolutely is, but Sasaki is a legend. Closer to Kobashi than Marufuji.

    So why aren't they using him to make important people look like big names?

    They put him with Castagnoli for fuck's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    He absolutely is, but Sasaki is a legend. Closer to Kobashi than Marufuji.

    So why aren't they using him to make important people look like big names?

    They put him with Castagnoli for fuck's sake.
    Because they're trying to make Claudio look big and elevate him by putting him against Sasaki.

    No offence mate, I have plenty to crticise ROH for, but you seem to look for shit to complain about, this being a prime example.

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    Yeah, I really don't see a problem with that at all. Looking forward to watching all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus Lem View Post
    Because they're trying to make Claudio look big and elevate him by putting him against Sasaki.

    No offence mate, I have plenty to crticise ROH for, but you seem to look for shit to complain about, this being a prime example.
    If they're elevating Castagnoli then what has he been doing lately to begin this push, and where is he after that match?

    Elevating talent is great and all, but I do think that they put all the wrong guys in these situations.

    I don't seek out things to hold against Ring of Honor. I just wish that I needed to.

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    i thought Sasaki was working a tag vs the Briscoes? when did they announce him going up against CC?

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    They've also been quasi-building a Marufuji title defense for Nigel since Death Before Dishonor this year, so there's that.

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    Does anyone know if ROH is planning to have shows in the Houston area during 'Mania weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knicksnyc View Post
    Does anyone know if ROH is planning to have shows in the Houston area during 'Mania weekend?
    They haven't said anything as of yet.

    And as for Sasaki not challenging Nigel, in addition to what Lem and Ringo have said, he's also the GHC champion so it would be a awkward match to book.

    Also I'll be there to see him in Philly the night before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chotliwala View Post
    And as for Sasaki not challenging Nigel, in addition to what Lem and Ringo have said, he's also the GHC champion so it would be a awkward match to book.
    So a squash match is better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    So a squash match is better?
    I haven't seen either of Sasaki's ROH matches yet, but obviously not. Apparently the Claudio one was real flat and the Roddy one was surprisingly decent but I think what ROH tried to do was good. No one in ROH is going to pin the GHC champion even if it's a non title match but a good competitive match where they end up losing can help. Basically what they've done with Tyler Black against Nigel, Dragon and Aries.

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    I think my main problem is that Ring of Honor seems to push all the wrong people lately.

    Castagnoli and Strong are never going to be guys to build the promotion around. And honestly, neither is Tyler Black.

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    I'd agree with your assessment of Castagnoli and Strong, but how much of Black have you seen? He needs to improve, but he's a lot more talented in the ring than I thought he was (though his best matches have been with Nigel, Dragon and Aries) and has a spark to him.

    I think they need to focus on Black, Davey and Stevens among others.

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    Black could be the next Benoit, but as far as any marketability, i've seen nothing from him.

    Frankly, right now Ring of Honor has an assfull of guys who can work, and a withering number of guys that people might want to pay to see.

    Davey is definitely a guy who should be getting more attention, as are Rhett Titus (though he's a little green) and Pelle Primeau. They aren't perfect, but they're home grown Ring of Honor guys, and after having everyone but Danielson leave over the years, they could use some guys who want to stick around.

    They need to absolutely not, under any circumstances, push any of the following:

    Adam Pearce
    Brent Albright
    Roderick Strong
    Delirious
    Random Japanese jobbers
    El Generico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    Black could be the next Benoit, but as far as any marketability, i've seen nothing from him.

    Frankly, right now Ring of Honor has an assfull of guys who can work, and a withering number of guys that people might want to pay to see.

    Davey is definitely a guy who should be getting more attention, as are Rhett Titus (though he's a little green) and Pelle Primeau. They aren't perfect, but they're home grown Ring of Honor guys, and after having everyone but Danielson leave over the years, they could use some guys who want to stick around.

    They need to absolutely not, under any circumstances, push any of the following:

    Adam Pearce
    Brent Albright
    Roderick Strong
    Delirious
    Random Japanese jobbers
    El Generico.
    Yeah, something tells me the booker is getting a push.

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    I swear to god, Barney the fucking dinosaur would have been a better choice to book this promotion than Adam Pearce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    Black could be the next Benoit, but as far as any marketability, i've seen nothing from him.

    Frankly, right now Ring of Honor has an assfull of guys who can work, and a withering number of guys that people might want to pay to see.

    Davey is definitely a guy who should be getting more attention, as are Rhett Titus (though he's a little green) and Pelle Primeau. They aren't perfect, but they're home grown Ring of Honor guys, and after having everyone but Danielson leave over the years, they could use some guys who want to stick around.

    They need to absolutely not, under any circumstances, push any of the following:

    Adam Pearce
    Brent Albright
    Roderick Strong
    Delirious
    Random Japanese jobbers
    El Generico.
    I'd agree with the Benoit comparison. I think Davey is fantastic and it seems like they know that too as I don't think he hasn't had matches with some of the bigger names, but they keep putting him in tag teams.

    Of the guys you listed, I think Albright might have some potential as a main eventer if done absolutely right, but all of the others are mid card at best. They just need to have fucking shorter shows. Some of them are like 4 hours long and just tire the fans the fuck out.

    And Pelle retired a while back.

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    Shorter shows, actually save big matches for PPV shows, and stop pushing crap talent.

    The product basically just needs a complete reboot to become fresh again. But I don't think that Pearce making things "old school" is really going to get the job done.

    Oh and somebody fucking take NOAH's number away from Gabe. I know he got fired, but I bet you he still calls there every day just to hear people talk in Japanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chotliwala View Post
    I'd agree with your assessment of Castagnoli and Strong, but how much of Black have you seen? He needs to improve, but he's a lot more talented in the ring than I thought he was (though his best matches have been with Nigel, Dragon and Aries) and has a spark to him.

    I think they need to focus on Black, Davey and Stevens among others.
    The only thing Tyler Black has going for him is that his passion and desire are palatable, similar to the way Kenta Kobashi's is/was. However, there the similarity ends, in a very crashing way that makes you embarrassed to find a similarity in the first place. He has no sense of timing, his moves are 'cool' with no sense of rhyme or reason without someone infinitely superior there to guide him throughout the entire match, and unless said guide constantly reminds him, he can't long-term sell for shit (nor was his short-term selling so awesome that we forgave the longterm ala RVD)

    You said it yourself, his best singles matches were all against people like Nigel and Dragon so how much credit can we give him when we consider some of the no-talent trash Dragon and Nigel had very good, sometimes even great, matches with (Doug Williams anyone? How about Go Shiozaki?)

    That, and every time he tries to talk trash, or even just talk, I break out laughing and sarcastically wonder why they would ever put him behind a superior talker in Jimmy Jacobs (who is there to guide his ass through their tag team matches).

    Tyler Black is the living definition of, 'forced greatness'; Gabe and pretty much everyone apparently want us to believe that this man will lead the Indy wrestling scene in the years to come, when he is quite obviously not. If he is the one who dethrones McGuinness, I'll honestly be more than a little pissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knicksnyc View Post
    Does anyone know if ROH is planning to have shows in the Houston area during 'Mania weekend?
    They just announced today that they will be having shows on Wrestlemania weekend in the Houston area.

    Rising Above debuts on PPV January 16th.

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    Right, so I'm really out of the Ring of Honor loop. Just seems like so many people who followed it have lost interest in the promotion.

    So, if you don't mind, a few questions please:

    What's going on storyline-wise? What have been the big angles this year and a very basic background to each rivalry? What has defined ROH in 08? What's changed? Who's on top right now? Who's on their way to getting on top? Who has the most interesting characters going at the moment? The days of Punk, Joe etc. are long gone, but back in 2005 everybody was going on about these guys as the cream of the indy crop. Who has replaced them, other than the obvious Nigel's and Danielson's of the world? Will they go further than ROH? If not, why?

    I've done a bit of research as to the top PPVs and matches from ROH in 2008, but has there been anything REALLY special? Anything which will be remembered for years to come?

    Thanks.

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    2008 has seemed to be the year of Nigel. Admittedly, I follow ROH via results and Videowires, but they've really built him as the man of ROH. Danielson is still there, but has mainly been the big star on the side, like Joe after he lost his title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Right, so I'm really out of the Ring of Honor loop. Just seems like so many people who followed it have lost interest in the promotion.

    So, if you don't mind, a few questions please:

    What's going on storyline-wise? What have been the big angles this year and a very basic background to each rivalry? What has defined ROH in 08? What's changed? Who's on top right now? Who's on their way to getting on top? Who has the most interesting characters going at the moment? The days of Punk, Joe etc. are long gone, but back in 2005 everybody was going on about these guys as the cream of the indy crop. Who has replaced them, other than the obvious Nigel's and Danielson's of the world? Will they go further than ROH? If not, why?

    I've done a bit of research as to the top PPVs and matches from ROH in 2008, but has there been anything REALLY special? Anything which will be remembered for years to come?

    Thanks.
    Honestly no there hasn't been anything special. It hasn't been bad, just not as good as it had been previously. And now to try a brief recap of what's going on.

    Necro left AOTF and was replaced by Delirious who turned heel because he was sad that Daizee wouldn't go out with him partially due to the interference of Rhett Titus who apparently had sex with Daizee but we actually just found out he is a virgin. In other AOTF news, the rivalry between Jacobs and Aries has seemingly ended after a best of three series (all three were gimmick matches). The last was the I Quit match at Rising Above that saw the return of Lacey. Jimmy was forced to say I Quit as Tyler was unable to throw in the towel for him because Lacey stole it, thus beginning to tease some tension between Jimmy and Tyler. The duo lost the tag belts to Steen and Generico at Driven and since then Jimmy has been teaming with Delirious while Tyler has been in more singles matches and just got his first win over one of the triumvirate (Aries, Dragon, Nigel) the last doubleshot.

    Nigel has been a fantastic dick heel. Just fucking amazing in everything he's done this year. Even made a match with Ruckus more entertaining than it had any right to be. He beat Danielson on PPV which ended the stupid PPV only storyline they had going. He's beaten Claudio twice, Dragon once, Aries twice, Steen thrice, Go once, Hero twice, Generico twice, Jacobs once all in singles matches and has just looked very good. Nigel/Marufuji II at Final Battle and if Nigel wins he'll be the first ROH Champion to be champ for a full calendar year and will also pass Dragon to be the second longest reigning champ. Nigel has had a fun mini rivalry with Jerry Lynn who has returned to ROH as the grizzled veteran.

    Claudio turned heel and had an apparently violent series of encounters with Dragon. He hasn't really won since the heel turn so I'm not sure, but it was definitely needed. The students have gotten gimmicks ("Addicted to Love" Rhett Titus, "Dirty" Ernie Osiris, Grizzly Redwood, sad Shane Hagadorn) with the slow burn for Bobby Dempsey being incredible. Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards have formed a tag team under the Sweet & Sour banner called American Wolves. Their first match together will be in Philly against Nigel/Claudio (who team together because they hate Dragon and they are European) and a third team. The Briscoes have lost to Steen and Generico twice in a few months after completely owning them for a year which has led to a change in their style and hints at a possible heel turn. A good deal of new talent has been given a chance (Kenny King, Kenny Omega, Osirian Portal, Cheech and Cloudy, Brodie Lee) with the first two appearing on quite a few shows while the others not so much. Irish Airborne is back but have just jobbed a bit.

    That pretty much covers it I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    So, if you don't mind, a few questions please:
    Here's a little rundown of 2008 from a post on the ROH board.

    Some quick highlights....

    - After a year of chasing the tag titles Kevin Steen and El Generico finally captured the ROH World Tag Team Titles.

    - Nigel McGuinness cemented his legacy as a dominant World Champion beating the likes of Kevin Steen, El Generico, Tyler Black, Go Shiozaki, Claudio Castagnoli, Austin Aries and Bryan Danielson along the way.

    - Roderick Strong was betrayed by his NRC teammate Davey Richards who joined Sweet and Sour Inc. leaving Roderick to turn face and team with the likes of Brent Albright and Erick Stevens against SnS Inc.

    - ROH saw a new influx of talent enter the mix, Guys like Kenny King and Kenny Omega have debuted and have had great showings thus far.

    - Tyler Black made an awesome splash having several stellar matches against the likes of Nigel McGuinness, Austin Aries and Bryan Danielson and is also on the verge of leaving Age Of The Fall behind.

    - Jerry Lynn has also returned to ROH and has had some solid outings against Kenny King, Nigel McGuinness, Davey Richards and Tyler Black.

    - Samoa Joe, LAX and The Motor City Machine Guns all returned (Not permanently) to ROH for a few shows during 2008.

    - Japanese legend Kensuke Sasaki appeared on some ROH shows and is booked for Final Battle '08 with his ass-kicking protege Katsuhiko Nakajima.

    - Japansese star Kota Ibushi had a 4 show stay in the springtime having great matches against Davey Richards, Claudio Castagnoli, The Briscoes and El Generico.

    - ROH moved their NYC shows into the Hammerstein Ballroom.


    I believe they've teased London's return.

    December 17th: ROH officials received a surprising phone call this morning. It seems someone wants to return to their old stomping grounds.


    Final Battle 2008 is stacked.

    http://www.rohwrestling.com/News/Article.aspx?id=542

    Plus Steenerico vs. Jacobs/Delirious for the tag titles which will more than likely happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackening View Post
    Final Battle 2008 is stacked.

    http://www.rohwrestling.com/News/Article.aspx?id=542

    Plus Steenerico vs. Jacobs/Delirious for the tag titles which will more than likely happen.
    Nigel/Maru II and Dragon/Morishima should be fantastic.

    Philly doesn't look too bad either. Aries/Maru, Dragon/Lynn, and Go/Shima is gonna be real fun to watch since all three will have a different feel to them. Should be a good weekend.

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    Cheers for the info boys

    What are your thoughts on all the guys who have made their ROH debuts in 2008? Who's got it, who hasn't?

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    Omega is solid and has seemingly impressed ROH as well as he's almost become a regular at this point. Kenny King (he was on Tough Enough) is an FIP guy and I haven't seen much from him recently but he has a good aura about him. The Chikara guys have only been on one show so who knows if they will come back.

    Of the students, Rhett Titus I think could be the first to escape from the student stigma if he can end up winning his feud against Necro. Grizzly Redwood is entertaining - especially on one of the latest video wires where Dragon teaches him how to split wood - but I don't know how long it could last. "Dirty" Osiris just seems stupid as fuck to me. I can't wait for Bobby to turn on Sweeney. I would honestly go crazy if I was in the crowd. They haven't done that much with Hagadorn so it's too early to say.

    And just for a few guys that have changed direction a bit: Claudio should be good as a heel and I am uncertain if I want to see him reunite with Hero. Speaking of, Hero's new gimmick is "That Young Knock Out Kid" where he wins matches with an elbow to the head. No more flippy stuff. He doesn't get cheers anymore, but it's almost become apathy with him. Roddy's back to doing what he does best and should be a good midcard face.

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    Right so I'm leaving in about an hour for Philly so that I can make some signs (NIGEL ) and stalk Marufuji and Morishima so I can finally complete the Japanese portion of one of my most prized possessions.


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    So...for Ring of Honor's biggest show of the year (debatably) they feature a main event and a DVD cover that features zero Ring of Honor wrestlers?

    I get that that's a big match, but isn't the point of bringing in foreign talent to put over the guys you already have?

    That shit still pisses me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgecutioner View Post
    So...for Ring of Honor's biggest show of the year (debatably) they feature a main event and a DVD cover that features zero Ring of Honor wrestlers?

    I get that that's a big match, but isn't the point of bringing in foreign talent to put over the guys you already have?

    That shit still pisses me off.
    Misawa didn't want to wrestle any of their guys.

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    Misawa's gimmick is that he's an old cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defrost View Post
    Misawa didn't want to wrestle any of their guys.
    Then don't bring him in. Seems simple to me. You're going to boost the sales of one DVD maybe (but people who carea bout Misawa would probably watch his Japan tapes anyway), but you're not going to get anyone interested in your product. I'm with edge on this one.

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    When your business lives and dies on DVD sales any boost to the DVD sales is a big deal.

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    Here's a long, but very good interview with Cary that talks about ROH in 2008.

    He talks about upgrading, Gabe, the wrestling, how they're doing financially, etc.

    http://rohwrestling.com/MessageBoard...TOPIC_ID=45332

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    As far as the Misawa stuff goes, they made a killing off of bringing him in. Philly was absolutely packed with bleachers on both sides jam packed and the floor seating full along with people paying $10 each for autographs of Morishima, Marufuji and KENTA and $20 for Misawa and New York had like 1300 people in the Grand Ballroom and they ran out of seats so some people were sitting in the stairs and shit. It was fucking lame that Misawa didn't wrestle an ROH guy but they he's permanently grumpy.

    And last night was a pretty good show.



    They come back in February so I'm thinking it would be the anniversary show with Tyler vs. Nigel as the main event.

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    Can we have your thoughts on the Philly show please chot? TAH.

    Also forgot to thank you for the second batch of matches you sent. I watched AOTF/STEENERICO last night. Just awesome stuff as expected. Cheers.

    I read Larry Csonka's "Top 10 ROH matches of 2008" on 411. Would anybody SEVERELY disagree with anything there? Now out of this lot I'm missing:

    Nigel/Tyler from Take No Prisoners
    AOTF/Danielson & Aries from RIE II
    Aries/Strong from Undeniable
    Danielson/Aries from TNP
    Stevens/Strong from RIE II

    and both NRC/Briscoes matches.

    If anybody has any of these and would be happy to upload them for me, or has any matches which AREN'T on Csonka's list which you think should be, they'd be great too...

    Thanks.

    EDIT: Oh. You just did.

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    I thought the Undeniable match was a little weak. And I will fucking get you the TNP matches. The fuck didn't you tell me you didn't have those what the fuck.

    And which NRC/Briscoes matches? They've gone up against each other in all sorts of combinations and such.

    Edit: Oh I see it's just PPV matches. I'd disagree with Nigel/Claudio. It just seemed like a regular match.

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    This sounds awesome.

    Great moment to start the match, they played Danielson's music but instead of his normal entrance he snuck in the ring behind Morishima and attacked him, he did his HUGE off the top rope, over the guardrail, plancha that hit Morishima, all while his music was still playing! He stands up as the song reaches "it's the final countdown" and the place went crazy!

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    It does sound a wee bit amazing, but this is an ROH fanboy we're talking about. It's greatness has probably been exaggerated just a tad.

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    I was just thinking about this earlier, and oh look it was brought up in that Cary Silkin interviews:

    AC: Has there ever been thought given to a sort of “less is more” mentality? Maybe putting out fewer DVDs? Not putting out every show, and making the ones that you put out kind of “must-see” DVDs?

    CS: We’ve discussed it, but right now the way our business model is continuing to operate, there’s definitely a demand for us to do every show. If we ever announced that, they’d probably be upset about that too. But right now we’re just continuing with what we’ve been doing the last many years.
    DO IT.

    There are so many fucking shows and dvds to sift through. I don't like it.

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    Last edited by blackening; December 28th, 2008 at 10:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackening View Post
    RED X

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    My bad, I just changed it and posted the link instead.

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    no better for me I'm afraid

    what is it!?

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    Ok, the site is pretty strict on posting their pics.

    It was a picture of a bloodied Danielson giving Morisihima the MMA elbows with a chain wrapped around his arm.


    If you really want to see it go to www.topropephotography.com. Scroll down and click on 12-27 results. Wait the 60 seconds and when the pics begin to load, click the arrow and go to the 2nd last page of pictures to see it.
    Last edited by blackening; December 29th, 2008 at 12:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    DO IT.

    There are so many fucking shows and dvds to sift through. I don't like it.
    There are a lot of DVDs, but no one is expected to buy them all.

    People would bitch if the markets they were going to weren't taped and I think attendance would go down for those shows.

    I have an idea:

    They could release one DVD per weekend. Combining the best of each night into one DVD. The rest could be put up on the web site along with old matches/shows. This would be viewed on the ROH site via streaming/download for a monthly/yearly charge.

    I just think they should put more stuff online.
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    There are way too many fucking DVD's. I looked at the schedule and by the time May rolls around, there will have already been 20 shows. Fucking ridiculous.

    I think combining weekends wouldn't be a bad idea. Running less shows would also be better. They won't have Final Battle DVD's available for sale in Manassas. If they would only run when they have new DVD's ready for sale it'd be better.

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    that would be awesome if they put out less DVDs. maybe 1 or 2 full shows a month on DVD, with an "ROH December Highlights" DVD for the month's best matches. All of the crap can go to youtube if anyone really "needs" to see it.

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    That is supposedly Aries' handiwork.

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    Who is that? Wait... the fan?

    Very nice.

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    It's from DOI so it could just be a googled image of "black eye". If it is the real guy he got fucked up big time.

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    Serves him right; what part of, 'don't assault the wrestlers' is too hard for people to comprehend? These are big fucking dudes who work out/take steroids. I don't care if you have a third-degree black belt in karate or whatever, they will fuck you up big time.

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    It's him. People on DVDVR were discussing what actually happened, but nobody questioned the authenticity of the photo.

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    If that is him, I'm surprised Aries has such a good right hand. Or he missed wildly with his left which is possible.

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    I'm a righty and am a better punch with my left hand by a ridiculous degree. Wouldn't surprise me if Aries was the same. Well.. opposite.

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    Suppose that's true. I just think his left is his default because when I met him pre-pickle, he formed a fist with his left for a picture with me.

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    So is Tyler Black the right man to be the new face of ROH or not?

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    Potentially. Some people find his promos a bit weak, but he is/was hamstrung by the AOTF gimmick. He's what I imagine early ROH fans would cream over - a guy who is ridiculous in the ring. He's quite fun to watch and will probably be world champ at some point this year but I'm not sure if he's ready to be THE FACE yet. He's got tons of built in shit if he were to beat Nigel (Nigel rematch, Dragon rematch, Jacobs feud, Necro as well).

    The way the roster is right now, you've got the Aries/Danielson/Nigel troika at the top. Undisputed stars. Tyler is a bit below them but just hasn't had any notable singles wins besides his roll up against Aries. I think a few wins to get to his title shot should be good enough. Before this apparent AOTF split, he was over as a face in singles matches against Nigel, a tweener against Dragon and a heel in tag matchese with Jimmy.

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    Well I imagine he'll have a blood feud with Jacobs & Aries now, perhaps forming an alliance with Necro? Or somebody else? Then after that he can begin his pursuit of the title.

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    Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see it go down that route a bit. It isn't quite clear if Jacobs and Aries are together or not (Lacey's Angel's 3.0) but I wouldn't be surprised to see that match at least once. I'd like to see Jacobs/Delirious vs. Black/??? who turns out to be Danielson. And I'd rather they copy the Jericho/HBK feud a bit and have Tyler win the title and then have the blowoff with Jimmy just because Nigel's reign is running out of steam for some people.

    Also, here are some Black matches you should try to get:

    vs. Danielson (Breakout)
    vs. Danielson (Southern Navigation)
    vs. Danielson (New Horizons)
    vs. Nigel (TNP)

    That's pretty much it and sums up why I think he needs a bit more before getting the belt. He's gotten a huge push in tag matches and all those matches are good to HOLY SHIT GREAT, but he's lost all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    So is Tyler Black the right man to be the new face of ROH or not?
    I cannot be emphatic enough in my belief that he is not.

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    Explain.

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    As long as Danielson is in the company, they only need a group of new guys to be the new generation. A few out of the Tyler/Davey/Omega/Edwards/Stevens/King group to step up is more than enough. Aries will probably never leave so he can be the grizzled veteran and Jacobs is too small to go anywhere.

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    Why are you so sure Aries will never leave? TNA could well give him another go surely?

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