He can be thoughtful and intimidating with great ease and he looks exactly like him. I see zero downside to a Jon Hamm Superman. I will be kind of upset if he doesn't get the role.
I felt the same way about Christian Bale playing Batman in 2003 or so. The online crowd thought the same way. Bale's main opposition came from Jake Gyllenhaal and that would have been a fucking disaster. Gylenhaal might be a good actor, but the guy is in no way intimidating. Hot fuck, that would've been awful.
I feel like Hamm is just a bit scrawny to play Superman.
If he got the role he'd surely be the only guy to ever play Lex Luthor and Sups though.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwwpXIiSk2k"]YouTube - Lex Luthor Bailout with Jon Hamm[/ame]
Last edited by Miotch; September 17th, 2010 at 7:03 PM.
Originally Posted by GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND
Hamm could bulk up. After all, this was Bale right before he became Batman:
Since when does an alien with super powers need to look like a body builder? If he had to hit the gym a bit, I'm sure he'd be fine. Reeve certainly wasn't the most buff dude on the planet.
I don't get it. These notions that he "isn't ripped enough" or he "is too old" seem like trivial inconsequential bullshit to me. He's a great actor, looks the part, and seems to have some interest in playing the role. He's fucking perfect for the part. I can't think of anybody else that could do it.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 17th, 2010 at 7:29 PM.
Those Bale pictures show the level of dedication, discipline and complete insanity that a guy playing Batman should possess...
Yeah, he said he got sick gaining the weight back and enjoyed it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...film-role.html
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 17th, 2010 at 7:43 PM.
Hamm is a well built lad. He doesnt need to buff up much at all. He's probably naturally no smaller than Bale is.
All-Star Superman is to be turned into an animated movie
http://heatvision.hollywoodreporter....sive.html#more
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=22805
I'd prefer an older Superman at this point.
Oddly enough Christina Hendricks is voicing Lois Lane in the All-Star Superman movie.
A guy in his late thirties is too old to play a character in his early thirties?
By Hollywood standards? Probably.
Hamm and Bale are similar ages to be able to make a realistic crossover film. That would be awesome. Batman and Superman in the same film has to be an absolute dream for a director and studio.
Nolan certainly doesn't care about mingling Batman with other super heroes.
I want to see a Superman film where the general public goes absolutely apeshit over a space alien with godlike powers policing the city...
I want to see xenophobia and end times connotations brought into it...
I want to see people who believe Superman is the anti-christ, and people who believe he's spear heading an alien invasion...
Last edited by Bill Casey; September 18th, 2010 at 9:33 PM.
I posted this somewhere, but I want to see Lex not treated as a villain and Metropolis played up as post 9/11 New York.
They seem to love the Lex politician model lately, so I say reboot him along those lines. Show him as a Congressman who represents Metropolis, someone who loves Metropolis and doesn't want to see it hurt again. He's not a villain in the first film in the serious, but they establish that he doesn't trust this seemingly unstoppable man flying over the city. I like the idea of some worshipping Superman as though he were the second coming and others distrusting him as though he were the devil.
Lex could be given a similar arch to Dent from TDK, really. Loved by the public, has good intentions, but doesn't trust the man in the sky and when other aliens (Brainiac, Darkseid) enter play or when something happens to Metropolis that Superman can't stop, he loses it and sees the man in blue as the enemy.
I'd even go as far as having Lex work with Superman in the first film to stop whatever disaster is looming, but show him at the end coming to the conclusion that he has to take down Superman and blaming him for whatever happened in the film. Could be a nice little teaser scene for the next film. Motives are important and they basically always play Lex as hating Superman for the sake of hating him. Giving him a real reason to and developing that over a film could be very compelling.
Hey I had a idea like that. In mine, Superman would be feared because people are paranoid that he's going to take over, Luthor would be a military scientist trying to capture him for the government, Brainiac would be a quadrapeligic that would be hooked up to a computer.
I just want to see Superman up against a foe that's a viable threat to the Man of Steel. Ever since I read Death of Superman I wanted to see one panel come to life someday... "They were hitting each other so hard, the windows were shattering."
If they use Brainiac, I'd like to see them use him how he was in the Bruce Timm Animated series. Show him on Krypton before the explosion and being the reason for it or complacent in it in his quest to gather information. It gets him in there at the start and seeds him for the next film where he follows Kal-L to a small blue planet.
The self replicating machine could be phenomenal for a massive battle in a few years when CG gets a touch better. Could be an amazingly massive battle between Superman and this enemy that keeps regenerating with nano machines and seems unstoppable. In my mind, if the Nolan crew sets everything up in the first film (Lex learning to hate Superman, Brainiac tracking down Earth, etc) they could have a MASSIVE action film with everything coming to a head. Brainiac tries to absorb/destroy Earth, while Lex blames Superman for him even being there and is trying to defeat Superman on his own.
Brainiac being the cause of or refusing to prevent Krypton's destruction could make for Superman going nuts on him and stops holding back. I love the notion of Supes always having to hold back to avoid hurting or killing people and him just losing it and going nuts in a mega fight would be epic. Two aliens (one super robot, one God) fighting in the skies and beating the shit out of each other would be amazing.
Last edited by Atty; September 18th, 2010 at 10:57 PM.
I love the comic book reason for Luthor hating Supes...
It's just golden age silliness in every panel...
Last edited by Bill Casey; September 18th, 2010 at 11:00 PM.
I can't see that working now. I do really want to see Lex coming to hate the "savior" in the sky as a theme of the next movie though. An actual legit reason. Something that causes him to break and blame big blue.
How many films can they do? Don't the rights revert back to Siegel and Shuster's estates in a few years?
*knocks over an open beaker*
Fumes... Smoke... RADIATION!
Basically, the families will get paid more, like the Marstons do with Wonder Woman...
I don't have the details of the settlement in front of me and could be wrong on this but, as I recall, the Siegel and Shuster estates get the rights to his Krypton origin, the name of the planet and kryptonite and WB/DC get the rights to all his powers, name, everything on Earth, etc. I figure if they explore the Krypton stuff in the first film, set it all up, they can get all the expensive stuff in in one shot and then not directly mention them after that.
So, for example, say they used the mold of Brianiac destroying and absorbing the knowledge of Krypton in the first film, they could have him reveal that to Supes in the second with something along the lines of "This will be the second home of yours I destroy", without directly saying Krypton and avoiding paying more.
Again, this is second hand info and I'm doing it from memory and could have it mixed up. I'm sure someone will explain how I'm wrong shortly. It's been over six months since I read up on it.
Last edited by Atty; September 18th, 2010 at 11:29 PM.
Here's a summary:
Honestly, I don't think a new Superman movie needs to touch his origin that much. Superman is surely up there with Spiderman in terms of the general public knowing his origin. I hope the new Spiderman franchise doesn't waste time by having Peter discover and test his powers all over again.
Back to Batman briefly, I really hope they bring out Mask of the Phantasm on Blu-Ray at some point. I've heard good things about Under the Hood, so once I get that I'll probably be back into the animated series for a while.
Last edited by Chris; September 19th, 2010 at 7:44 AM.
Mask of Phantasm will come out on blu at some point. Under The Red Hood is really fantastic o blu-ray. Really crisp transfer.
I agree that they don't have to touch Superman's origin, but it's all about what's best for the story. Batman's origins were almost common knowledge, but Begins showed how they shaped Bruce into the man he would become. I could see the same being a compelling story for Superman. How and WHY he becomes the Earth's protector while showing how and why Lex comes to hate him. Could be a nice parallel for a story that sets up a series.
I mentioned it somewhere above, but I want to see Superman having to hold back as a theme of why he becomes Superman. Like he doesn't know his own power and, early in helping people he hurts or kills someone as Clark by not knowing his own strength and is driven to create Superman as a way of protecting Clark while coming to the conclusion that he can do no harm to people and establishing his rules. The theme of holding back is also cool because it would be really fun when he stops holding back on Brainiac or Darkseid in a future film.
It may sound strange with my love of Batman and The Dark Knight in particular, but I'm much more interested in what's to come from Superman's next film that Batman 3. I can't see the next Batman topping TDK, but am very interested in seeing a fresh take and start for The Man of Steel.
I want Lex Luthor to be a background character in future Superman films. I like the way Luthor is portrayed in John Byrne's "Man of Steel" limited series in 1986; he's behind most of the plots that Superman foils, yet Superman becomes increasingly frustrated that he can't tie the crime to Luthor. For example, he catches one of Luthor's staff in a power suit, but the suit just happens to leave the wearer a vegetable if worn for too long. Superman is always reacting to Luthor, and restricted by the law. If we had a Superman trilogy, I wouldn't want Luthor to be "the big bad" until the third movie - he could be the man behind the main villain/plot (Metallo is a good example) in the first two movies, with perhaps some smaller crimes where Superman just can't pin anything on him.
That limited series also had Superman invading Qurac to stop terrorists, and being aware of the dangers of acting like a God and interfering in human affairs. If they want to ground it in today's political climate, there are lots of ways to explore how Superman affects the world and how people react to him.
If they start the new franchise with Clark just about to introduce his Superman persona to the world, there's a great viral campaign waiting to happen - there could be shaky-cam footage of someone rescuing people or performing incredible feats. Over time, the clips begin to show someone dressed in red and blue.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_5UwS57X8"]World of Cardboard[/ame]
Yeah, I love that speech and really want Darkseid as the next villain. Imagine the hell that is Apokolips on the big screen, seen from the view of Superman approaching the planet in space. That would be awesome.
I don't...
Not because I don't like Darkseid, but because they need to focus on establishing Nolan's Superman and Earth, and Darkseid's mythos is far too rich to do both justice. He's someone who should come in later on...
I like Luthor conceptually as an industrialist and lobbyist for both police and military. Imagine his life's work designing and building weapons to keep his country safe all rendered moot by this upstart. Everything he's ever done is now worthless. He's a man who lives for designing and building technology to stop potential threats, and now Superman is a potential threat...
Intergang and Bloodsport could have roles. Intergang could be something the police have failed to stop, and Superman succeeds where Luthor fails. Bloodsport could be an early assassination attempt on the man of steel...
There's really a lot to work with there just by introducing Superman to earth...
Last edited by Bill Casey; September 21st, 2010 at 3:24 PM.
That is fucking tremendous. If they could do something similar in a live action film and somehow depict Superman going spazoid on him that woul dbe so good.
I'd prefer Lex Luthor as a career politician.
I wouldn't...
Lex Luthor would be castrated as a politician...
He wouldn't have any actual power...
Seriously, what's he going to do?
Pass a Law? What Superman does is already illegal...
Subpoena him? Nobody knows who he is or where he lives. Much less how to contain or control him...
File a formal request for a congressional resolution of disapproval and subsequent cloture vote after the inevitable deadlock that will drag on for months and months?
Last edited by Bill Casey; September 21st, 2010 at 7:25 PM.
Well, that's how he'd start out. Politicians do more than that: they can sway the public's opinion. You know, the way many politicians fill many American's heads with racist anti-immigrant ideas. Superman is an illegal alien with super powers.
Not that this has anything to do with what we discussing, but are you aware of this story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Luthor:_Man_of_Steel ?
If it's a trilogy they're doing, then I'd love to see scientist/businessman/"philanthropist" Luthor for the first one, letting Metallo do his dirty work to take out Supes for the first one. Then Luthor running for president during the second one, at the end of which he wins and takes office. Third movie as a begrudging truce between Superman and Lex when they combine forces to halt Darkseid's invasion of Earth.
Or rally the military to build up a defense force to take down the undocumented alien in the sky.
The US military would be contentious. Lets not go the Avatar route and have the military turn into violent reactionary hyenas at the whims of a politician. That made no sense. Lex Luthor would ultimately turn to a privatized force like Blackwater.
Not to get into it, but there was nothing in Avatar that said they were US.
That's not at all what reality is...
"Securing our borders" is latent racism.
Admiration for career politicians is naiveté at its worst.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 21st, 2010 at 10:16 PM.
It's also a narrative driven by people who aren't politicians...
The politicians latch onto the narrative like barnacles for fear of their jobs. (See John McCain)...
A man who never said he was a maverick
And John McCain should have bowed out long ago.
A Superman story doesn't even need a political bent. Nolan's Batman movies make a statement without being overtly political. Batman is essentially a masked public servant who beats the shit out of people.
Oooh...
They could have Leslie Willis and her show "Live Wire"...
Think...
She wouldn't have to be super-powered...
I thought Anthony Michael Hall's character in The Dark Knight would turn out to be a Glenn Beck type. I was wrong, but they could put a similar pundit in Batman 3. In fact, that would make more sense considering Batman is now an outlaw.
Leslie Willis as an Easter Egg type of character would be great. Livewire shouldn't be the villain in any live action Superman (she's behind Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, random Kryptonians and so forth), but she could be great as someone that's in the background as a broadcaster, as a nod to the fans. Kind of like Zsasz in Batman Begins.
Something I've also kicked around in my head—and I can't really see the Nolan crew doing this—is bringing Kara in at some point. Sure, Supergirl got an overly campy spinoff movie in the 80s, but if they get Supes to take off like they did Batman at the box office, that could be a way of putting out more movies. Having seen MANY different versions of her (and recently watching the new Apocalypse film), I think she could make for a solid story.
I hope Johnathan Nolan ends up directing the new Superman film. He'd be new to the directing game, but with his brother behind him, he'd have the most reliable individual in the history of film producers.
Also, I don't think this needs to be an origin story at all. I think Jon Hamm would make the perfect Superman precisely because he's older and more distinguished.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 AM.
If anything, I'd love to see the Grant Morrison "All-Star Superman" origin, which basically takes care of it in four still-shot frames.
I want it to be an origin of sorts. Kind of what I'd nickname Superman Begins, where it's a non-linear structure, with his backstory told by flashbacks as the movie goes on. It could make for a great finale sequence with the destruction of Krypton happening alongside Superman saving the Earth.
If they went with Brainiac playing a role in the destruction (which I really think they should do), they could show his computer program/brain downloading into a ship and escaping before the explosion and then show the same ship passing Saturn en route to Earth at the end of the film. Brainiac's the perfect and unique villain for the second movie. A self-aware and self-replicating alien computer who wants to absorb the knowledge of the Earth and then destroy it, would be great for an action based sequel, where Supes keeps pounding him apart and this machine keeps rebuilding and restructuring himself.
Some adaptation of this would be perfect. Simplified and iconic. Everyone knows this story.
Of course, Siegel and Schuster now own a large portion of that.
Or what atnumbers suggested, if it would effectively throw Brainiac into the mix.
Last edited by Motherboy; September 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 PM.
I really think the destruction of Krypton could make a fantastic climax to the movie if they didn't use a linear structure to tell Superman's story. Have flashbacks of Krypton throughout the movie and then have it's demise come towards the end of the movie. It could be a gorgeous way to show him as a helpless infant, unable to save his own world and then contrast it with Kal-L saving his adopted world of Earth from whatever disaster it's facing in the first movie.
The destruction of Krypton was the best thing in Superman Returns and tends to get overlooked by coming early in most stories where it's told. It was fantastic in the great Donner Superman film, but that was in the first 20 minutes of a 2 and a half hour film. It really could make for an exciting climax with great visuals. One world dies, another lives.
I love it...
Drama, tension, a sense of real danger...
1978 Superman should have just kept reversing time, then Krypton would be saved. Then he could save Batman's parents and give Lex Luthor's dad a vasectomy. I mean, once you can reverse time, there's no going back...
...wait...
Last edited by Bill Casey; September 22nd, 2010 at 5:27 PM.
Krypton was destroyed years and years and years before Clark arrived at Earth. I don't remember the exact number, but Clark's dad did in fact say "I will now have been dead for [big number] years."
Remember, son. Always remember.
Time Travel...
If they adapted All-Star Superman in its entirety, that would be amazing.
Some adaptation of this would be perfect. Simplified and iconic. Everyone knows this story.
Of course, Siegel and Schuster now own a large portion of that.
Or what atnumbers suggested, if it would effectively throw Brainiac into the mix.
At least it's getting DC Animated treatment.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 22nd, 2010 at 7:00 PM.
I'm fairly sure it was in the thousands, but films aren't canon, obv.
They said two different dates in Superman 1. Brando says "by the time you see this, I'll have been dead for many thousands of your years" and they also say Krypton blew up in, I believe, 1946.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/0...trailer-video/
Nice. I believe it comes out Spring 2011 rather than Winter 2011.
Here are the five possible directors for the new Superman film.
* Tony Scott (Unstoppable, The Taking of Pelham 123)
* Matt Reeves (Let Me In, Cloverfield)
* Jonathan Liebesman (Battle: Los Angeles, Clash of the Titans 2 [upcoming])
* Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code)
* Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen, Sucker Punch)
I haven't seen Moon, but I think Duncan Jones seems like a good choice.
Actually, Snyder isn't my favorite choice, but Tony Scott would be way worse. I can't recall anything that he's done lately that I even remotely liked.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 PM.
Duncan Jones would definitely be my pick from that list. I loved Moon and he was able to direct a guy to telling a good story on his own. Much of Superman is a guy coming to terms with being alone and, hmmm...
I think Jones could actually be a great choice with Nolan's hand in there as an active producer.
I need to see Moon. I think I ruined for myself by reading so much stuff about it. Still, it looks like he has a distinct vision for his films and that's more important than anything else. Tony Scott would just have the camera rattling around to convey intensity.
I would say that you'd be absolutely crazy giving a rookie director the job of helming one of the biggest reboot jobs in cinema history...but then Nolan was a rookie when he took on Batman Begins.
I never realized that Marvel made another x-men spinoff after x-men evolution. It's called "Wolverine and the X-men"...and after watching the first episode, I'm amazed. It's Marvel's best attempt at recreating the x-men by far. Not as kiddy as evolution was, more like X-men the animated series with much, much better graphics and a story that keeps you hooked.
I also just read that after 26 episodes production was stopped due to conflicts/money within the team
I hated that show. Wolverine is tall, handsome, caring and not at all Wolverine. And Cyclops spends the whole season whining about Jean instead of manning up and leading the team the way he's done so many times in the comics. Other than that, I have to admit the show was pretty good. I just couldn't get past those two things.
Jones finished his second film which looks much larger in scale.
Matt Reeves would be my second choice.
Wolverine should be 5'6 or so and look like Clint Eastwood. Enough with this 6'2 bullshit.
Wolverine should be a cross between mth and Fagballs.
That doesn't disprove my point at all. In "Wolverine and the X-Men", Scott hangs around the mansion sulking and being a general prick about the whole thing.
In the comics, he quits the X-Men to go join a fishing boat, kicks D'Spayre's ass alongside Man-Thing and then goes on to discover Magneto's secret fortress before rejoining the X-Men as team leader, like, ten issues later. Scott's the man in the comics. Yeah, he can be little self-pitying, but he's not the self-indulgently pathetic character Wolverine and the X-Men makes him out to be.
I abhor Wolverine and the X-Men as well. Really, really, bad characterization. Say what you want about the kidification about X-Men Evolution, at least every character was pitch perfect (minus Spyke, but that's forgiveable, as they had to have a black guy on the cast, so they just took Marrow and made her a black skater kid, so its all good).
X-men evolution fucking butchered Apocalypse though. Apocalypse is my favorite mutant and they made him seem so weak. The end of the third season with Mesmero trying to unleash him was perfect, I'll give him that, but the fourth season was beyond stupid.
Before season 4, everyone in the world was hyped up because we all thought we would get a glimpse of his powers and such, but they went in a whole completely new direction. Aside from him killing magneto, they focused on other crap like the mutant that has dream powers with Kitty or the resurfacing of the Morlocks. Here you have a 5,000 year old mutant who's powers are immortality and being able to absorb body mass being completely ignored. They ignored him from episodes 1-8 and then ran a 2 part season finale with them beating apocalypse by....locking him in a chamber.
I really hope Marvel starts up another X-men series. Or maybe just one for Wolverine. Or maybe one about Magneto and Xavier's origins. Anything
Last edited by S.H. Styles; September 25th, 2010 at 9:55 PM.
I really don't give a shit about the new X-Men movie. Matthew Vaughn of Kick-Ass fame is directing it. Kick-Ass was fan-boy wank material bolstered by one of the least likable protagonists in film history; I mean, what a pussy. That film purports to be about super-heroes "IF THEY WERE 4 REALZ" when it really just a live action cartoon.
It's twelve issues later, which was an entire friggin' year...
And he didn't rejoin as team leader...
Drunk poop shit.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 26th, 2010 at 2:51 AM.
Meh, whatever. I botched that shit regardless.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; September 26th, 2010 at 2:48 AM.
I couldnt agree less.
From a real-life time standpoint, I guess that's longer than the season of Wolverine and the X-Men. And I didn't know at all that he didn't rejoin as leader. Who was heading the team? Storm?
Yeah, Storm was still the leader...
Issue 154 discusses this...
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Holy shit...
Bob Harras is now D.C Comic's new EIC
I have been shamed. As such, I am leaving the forums forever to grow a beard and work on a fishing boat.fucksake Adair mate keep up
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Sounds sexy.
I'm not a fan of either of those two bits of info.
Zod was the villain in Singer's script for the sequel and that was one of the many reasons that film never got off the ground. I loved Zod, don't get me wrong there, but he was largely a creation for the movies and there is such a wealth of villains out there that it just seems lazy.
As far as Snyder, I don't think he's right for this project. I'm not knocking him, but he always strikes me as a guy who's best working with something that he can pretty much directly translate. I felt his Watchmen was quite underrated and top notch, but both of his adaptations of comic properties have lacked a sense of joy/fun to them. That's something that Superman needs.
[EDIT]That was to Vice's post, of course, but mthero would scare me.
I have nothing but faith in Nolan and Co. so their story/directer decisions are fine by me.
No one here is/was going to get exactly what they wanted. We don't even know how they are going to approach the material.
The weakest link in this situation is David Goyer. I don't dislike him, but outside of Batman Begins, what else has he done a good job on? Granted, the Super Nolan Bros. will be polishing up his script.
Also...
"Kneel before Zod!"
Fuck the haters. Zod and his cronies were the one part of the Superman sequel that didn't suck balls.
Last edited by Beer-Belly; October 5th, 2010 at 12:28 AM.
See, and I want to be careful here because I loved Zod, it's not like he's one of Superman's top foes. He's had a few incarnations in the comics, but is mainly what he was in Superman's I and II. He was written into the first film as a way to plant a seed for the second. Stamp did an amazing job in the role, but I don't really see anywhere else to go with him. Especially if they're fully rebooting, in which case the focus should be on establishing Superman, not having another Kryptonian show up on Earth right away.
I trust the Nolan camp, but I don't expect to actually see Zod as the villain, when all is said and done.
I think they chose him because he is the anti-Superman. He looks human and has super powers, but he's EVIL.
I do hope Lex is in the movie some shape or form. It would be a real shame to leave him out.
It's just a lot for one movie. It worked in the Superman I & II arc because you knew Zod was out there from the start of the movie. Bringing both he and Kal-El to Earth in a single movie seems a bit much. I'd feel the same way about any alien enemy for the first film, really. The first film should be about establishing the main character and then planting the seed for the next movie. Like the end of Batman Begins, where we had a film develop the primary characters and then give the audience a teaser of what's to come.
Goyer is a terrifying prospect. His DC scripts are horrible. Like his take on Green Lantern a few years back that thankfully never got made. Ugh.
I don't have any care for Superman. I don't particularly like the films, I don't like the character beyond the 1988 Ruby-Spears cartoon or his use in JLA comics. His rogues gallery is fucking weird, to say the least. And they aren't going to want to use Lex, because its Goyer and Nolan, who want to use the more obscure. I want to hear more before I get too depressed about it, but I'm not looking forward to this at the moment.
I figured Superman would be defending Earth by the start of the film. There's really know need to rehash the origin story.
I'm fairly sure that you don't know what it takes to entertain people more than the brothers Nolan.
K, not really sure where that came from. I said nothing bad about the Nolans. They are perfectly fine.
And to be fair, the same could more than likely be said about EVERYONE in this discussion. Maybe. I don't quite understand what you meant by that statement to be honest. Strange syntax usage. But that's neither here nor there.
I can understand Zod as a choice, because much of his explanation is so closely linked to what Superman is. He's extremely easy to set up while establishing Superman, and, at the same time, he's something Superman can actually punch...
I was pretty against Zod on principle at first, because Superman does have an expansive rogues gallery to draw from, and Zod's a relatively minor villain that has already starred in a major film. Still, as we began to discuss the complex themes they possibly could address with a self appointed omnipotent alien sentry, I'm finding it more and more difficult to justify other potential non-human antagonists. Bloodsport could fit. Intergang could fit. Luthor could fit. Because they're all human interactions and reactions to Superman. Most super powered threats require their own tellings. But with Zod, you have the same essential elements that you're introducing to the world alongside Superman...
I'm still a little taken aback by it, but I certainly understand the prospect. And I certainly take tremendous solace in the fact that they can do things with a Superman/Zod battle that they could never do in 1980. Very epic things...
See, if they want a Kryptonian for him to fight, I'd rather they use someone totally different. Like Jax-Ur and Mala. That could work well if they skip the direct origin story and start with a giant crystal ship crashing to Earth with two Kryptonians inside. It could set up the themes of people distrusting the aliens, give Superman something to punch and so forth.
And they could have Brainiac follow the ship to Earth and end with Brainiac's ship orbiting the moon or something, without having to actually show him. Like have the big space credits in the beginning show the crystal ship being tracked on some viewscreen with alien text on it and end with Superman flying of towards the sun only to pan off and show this imposing ship in the distance.
Or just make cream myself and show the Kryptonians come to Earth through a boomtube.
Or Superman could accidentally open the Phantom Zone...
His dad Jor El discovered it and invented the method of imprisoning people there. He could put it in the capsule as a last ditch effort to preserve the Kryptonian race. It would certainly make the encounter between the two much less of a massive coincidence...
Last edited by Bill Casey; October 5th, 2010 at 2:40 PM.
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