No you are not. I wanna be Apollo for Halloween some year if black face were acceptable.
No you are not. I wanna be Apollo for Halloween some year if black face were acceptable.
I can't disagree with any of that, but I guess I'm holding it to the standard the first two set. III was so far off from the subdued macho man kind of movies that I & II were, that it's just weird to watch.
That's also why the gay thing just threw me. It's supposed to be this intense scene with Rocky finally coming to grips with Mickey's death and moving on with his training/life, and him and Apollo are wearing tube socks pulled up to there ball sacks and playing grab ass on the beach. It's yet another random ass thing out of the left field region of Stallone's brain.
Rocky III does have the best trash talking of any of the Rocky's though, by far.
"Clubber do you have any predictions for tonight?"
"Pain."
's also where the "I pity the fool" phrase was born.
Is it really? Wow, I didn't know that.
Was Rocky III his first gig?
It sure was.
Yea I meant III and IV.
And the reason I said that is because he said Sly was a lesser Arnie. But that is in no way true in the first two rocky installments as they were out and out dramas just about. In parts III and IV however, Stallone was in full blown 80's action hero mode, and it's at this point that a comparison to Arnie is a little bit more acceptable.
He is still in no way a lesser Arnie, but at least at this point in the series a comparison could possibly be made
Did you read the part where I said I was about 8 or 9 when I watched Rocky and Rambo and came to this conclusion?
Obviously I'm a bit wiser now, but like you say Stallone undeniabley transformed into an 80's action star, and as a naive kid who loved anything with Arnie, it was quite easy to come to such a conclusion.
Although still, Arnie > Stallone
Yeah, I agree. Stallone, as a creative force in Hollywood (at least when both were far more relevant than they are today) is leaps and bounds ahead of Arnold. Arnold's great, but he does what he does and that's it.
Stallone is an Oscar winning screenwriter, I believe. Did he direct the first Rocky, as well? I don't think he did, but I want to say he directed one of them.
He didn't direct the first Rocky, no. Directed the others though, with the exception of V.
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I really don't get why anybody would like Arnie. Terminator, sure, and maybe Predator if that's your thing, but other than that? He's absolutely awful. Just a big dude with muscles.
Arnie is absolutely brilliant if you're high. Eraser, for example. When sober, it's a terrible movie. When high, it's legendary.
You forgot Jingle All the Way, Obsession. Classic stuff. And Kindergarten Cop.
Yeah, I know a lot of people that just don't get Arnie's appeal. Most of them happen to be chicks, but still. It's understandable. The guy basically does the same shit over and over.
BUT...
He's been lucky enough to work with directors who know exactly what he's capable of and exactly how to use him. One liners (if he's talking at all) and killing shit. James Cameron is a fabulous director, and blowing Arnie up to the stratosphere can be counted among the reasons as to why he's so great.
But that's just the thing, I don't think he can even do one-liners. The only time he managed to talk as a character was in the Terminator role and he was meant to be an emotionless machine then. Whenever it's a film where he's meant to feel the slighest bit of emotion he comes off completely wooden and it makes somebody like Vin Diesel look like an Oscar worthy actor.
I get that he's not somebody who is meant to be judged by acting skills and just enjoyed but he's so bad I simply can't think 'wow he blew that shit up in a cool way!'
I don't know. I guess it's all about expectations. I expect mindless entertainment when I sit down with an Arnie flick. What about Twins, True Lies and the aforementioned Kindergarten Cop?
Those aren't great movies and Arnold doesn't put forth Olivier-esque performances, but he holds his own.
True Lies would have been good, fun action film had it had any other lead actor. As it stands Arnie just ruined it for me. I didn't like the rest.
I can understand why people would tolerate him and find the roles that he does acceptable but I just have a rather deep hatred for him.
Do you like action movies in general?
And don't get me wrong, I can totally see why someone would hate Arnie. (I love how no one's even attempting his last name!)
I'm a male, of course I like them.
I don't even expect action films to be up to the standards of something like Die Hard or Lethal Weapon, either, I'm happy to put my brain down and just see lots of big explosions. I just can't stoop as low as Arnie and Van-Damme.
Kindergarten Cop is fucking great. I that movie.
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