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    Is it on PPV?

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    Blaha. Keep your hands up son.

    Very weird end though, looks like it was Floyd Cheap Money Shot Mayweather

    Although Ortiz's excuse of "He pushed me back and that's why my head must have gone forward and hit him." Hilarious. He full out launched himself at Mayweather. It was one of the most bizzare ends to a fight I've seen in a while.
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    It is gonna be controversial no doubt. Floyd had the right idea about that old fuck interviewer though. He needs to be fired.

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    ahaha wtf. bizarre.

    I don't fault Mayweather at all for knocking him out like that. That was fair.

    Ortiz - headbutt
    Ref - time out, that was a fucking headbutt
    Ortiz - shit sorry mang
    Ref - okay let's start it up again
    Ortiz - sorry again bro
    Mayweather - fuck you son KNOCKOUT
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    Yet another glorious night for the sport.

    ffs

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    Now that was odd..

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    Mayweather is a prick, what a wanker.

    Erh, all I am going to read for about a week now is a bunch of faggots writing 'YOU WOULD NEVA SEE DIS IN DA UFC!' everywhere.

    Shit night all round for boxing really, what with Channel 5 being fucking useless and 4 out of the 5 rounds of the Tyson Fury fight being a black screen.

    Primetime are dreadful as well. I turned it on to watch the Crolla fight and that kept cutting out and skipping. They had to cut back to Steve Bunce reading out some emails at one point. Shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1_Pablo_Angel View Post
    Yet another glorious night for the sport.

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    Thats about what I thought. No matter where you put the fault, that fight just plain sucked.

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    Cortez is so shit.

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    What an absolute sham. Both of them should've been disqualified and the ref never allowed to officiate a fight again. Cortez has been a mess for years now. I understand why Mayweather threw the punches, he was angry about the blatantly intentional headbutt and wanted to punish Ortiz for it. But he was in imperious form and was going to win anyway. The point is that Cortez should've been involved in the action. Protect yourself at all times does not count when the ref has not said to box on. Mayweather knows that and Cortez should've known that he hadnt told them to box on. He shouldnt have been counting, he should've been disqualifying. Another joke night for boxing.

    Larry Merchant is one of the most respected boxing pundits and interviewers in the world. He's getting on a bit and he's never been a huge Mayweather fan, but he was asking the questions that he needed to be asking. That his job. Mayweather was classless and it wouldnt surprise me if he was getting out of that interview when he got chance because he knew that questions were coming up about Manny next.

    We need to see the two fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkle van Tinkle View Post


    Cortez is so shit.

    What I want to know is what the hell the ref was looking at when Mayweather suckered punched him?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the ref signal to BOTH fighters to box after a timeout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    What an absolute sham. Both of them should've been disqualified and the ref never allowed to officiate a fight again. Cortez has been a mess for years now. I understand why Mayweather threw the punches, he was angry about the blatantly intentional headbutt and wanted to punish Ortiz for it. But he was in imperious form and was going to win anyway. The point is that Cortez should've been involved in the action. Protect yourself at all times does not count when the ref has not said to box on. Mayweather knows that and Cortez should've known that he hadnt told them to box on. He shouldnt have been counting, he should've been disqualifying. Another joke night for boxing.

    Larry Merchant is one of the most respected boxing pundits and interviewers in the world. He's getting on a bit and he's never been a huge Mayweather fan, but he was asking the questions that he needed to be asking. That his job. Mayweather was classless and it wouldnt surprise me if he was getting out of that interview when he got chance because he knew that questions were coming up about Manny next.

    We need to see the two fight.
    I want Khan to wreck him

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    Can Khan wreck him?

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    Probably not.

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    Not yet. His style is made for giving Mayweather trouble. But he doesnt have the experience and the weight yet.

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    You can definitely see that Mayweathers footwork isn't as good as it previously was, Manny would be all over that.

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    Manny's everything isnt as good as it was previously and in the last 2 years Manny has absorbed a shit ton of punishment and Floyd has been hit like twice. Floyd also dwarfs Manny.

    Would love to see someone fucking kill Floyd.

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    Manny's everything has deteriorated at times. But he throws to the body, throws fast, constantly moves, comes in at angles, can take punches to give punches and has power. If he was bigger, he'd be Floyd's living nightmare.

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    Floyd is a massive cunt for ending the fight that way, but Ortiz was just made to look a fool. Hugging and kissing Floyd like a rookie after the butt, then going in for a 3rd embrace was just idiotic. Emotions got the best of him and he got completely caught up in the moment.

    I REALLY want someone to dismantle Floyd.
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    I can see Khan doing it in 2 years or so. At the moment Floyd is too big and too experienced.

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    For all you Floyd haters good luck finding someone to "dismantle" him. Manny cant go Olympic style drug testing and everyone else isn't anywhere near his level.

    As far as Floyds footwork goes I would expect it to be slightly off after a 16 month layoff. Your gonna need someone big enough to walk through everything and just bully him into a corner and not let him out. Problem is that there is no one in the division remotely good enough to do that.

    Let Manny try, his wide punches would get eatin alive by floyd..of course that is assuming Manny could even reach him quick enough.

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    Mayweather is the man. I love that everyone hates him and he doesn't give a shit.

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    He obviously does give a shit though. He's like a small child, really.

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    Correction : a small child who beats up his gilfriends.

    He's an absolute ass. One of the greatest boxer ever (scared of Manny though), but an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT4104 View Post
    For all you Floyd haters good luck finding someone to "dismantle" him. Manny cant go Olympic style drug testing and everyone else isn't anywhere near his level.

    As far as Floyds footwork goes I would expect it to be slightly off after a 16 month layoff. Your gonna need someone big enough to walk through everything and just bully him into a corner and not let him out. Problem is that there is no one in the division remotely good enough to do that.

    Let Manny try, his wide punches would get eatin alive by floyd..of course that is assuming Manny could even reach him quick enough.
    Manny will take Olympic style testing. Its been confirmed that Floyd's people priced themselves out of a fight despite the fact.

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    The state of Boxing forums is actually worse than the state of Boxing. It literally has become a million Filipino guys just typing "Gayweather" followed by a bunch of nonsense. They are usually responded to with comments almost exactly like JT4104's. Brilliant.

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    fight Manny GAYWeather you are pussy for die pacman will KO you Money A$s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND View Post
    The state of Boxing forums is actually worse than the state of Boxing. It literally has become a million Filipino guys just typing "Gayweather" followed by a bunch of nonsense. They are usually responded to with comments almost exactly like JT4104's. Brilliant.
    'Pactards' and 'FloMos'. Apparently.

    ESB's British boxing forum is pretty good. The General forum there is exactly as you've described though.

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    I will have to check out the British boxing forum. I actually want to try and get more up to speed on the Brit scene anyway. I am pretty familiar with the better prospects out of Mexico and the US but we get very little exposure here to British fighters unless they are on Sky and I hijack a feed.

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    There isn't much to talk about.

    - Decent fighters are active once or twice per year.
    - Top guys in each weight class never fight each other.
    - Most belts are meaningless.
    - Shane Mosley, who hasn't defeated anyone in years is considered one of the top PPV boxers.

    Oh well, go Ricky Hatton go ....

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    While I am sure that is a reasonable summary for a casual fan, I don't usually think of Boxing Forums as a medium for casual fans, and there is plenty more to talk about than that.

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    GBF, download the Steve Bunce boxing hour from iTunes. The guy is a legend and his show is very informative.

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    Will do. Thanks.

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    Did anyone watch the Liverpool show with the Smith Brothers last weekend? It was not good for Stephen Smith who got beat but it was a cracking fight.

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    So Barker took a dive right?

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    He suffered a perforated eardrum.

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    Regardless of the crooked sell job by the announce team I had Barker dominating that fight until the 10th.

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    I had it level after six with Martinez taking over thereafter.

    Good effort from Barker though, nice to see the American fight fans giving him plenty of credit, unlike HBO. I listened to the HBO commentary as well and thought they were very harsh in their criticisms. Lederman only gave him one round.

    Despite their losses, there's no doubt that Barker and Macklin have both enhanced their reputations and should get more big fights in the near future because of it. Good on them for taking the tough challenges. I'd fancy either of them against Chavez Jr.

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    Really good documentary on the Thrilla in Manila on HBO just now. I guess it was from 1975 but I have never seen it. Brilliant stuff. Really paints Ali as a cunt and Frazier as a legit tough guy.

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    Another great night for boxing then.

    Aside from that, thought the Cleverley Bellew fight was a bit of a let down, Clev boxed like shit, he could do with sorting himself out a proper trainer. Still had him winning by a round or two, how one judge gave it to him by 5 I'll never know.

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    Boxing is not exactly covering itself in glory at the moment.

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    And boxing delivers another crowning moment in history.

    For anyone who didn't see ..

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHOFraXlPms"]Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson - Round 2 & Decision - YouTube[/ame]

    What a joke. I love how badass Dawson thought he was afterwards too. Ridiculous.

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    I went last night. Got first level seats quite cheaply. Fortunately the undercard was excellent. Demarco and Linares put on the best live fight I have ever attended. Not a total loss.

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    Well it's a rule that everybody fights at least twice in that division, Hopkins will come back when he's even older.

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    Some decent boxing this weekend and loads to come over the next six/seven weeks.

    Burns/Katsidis is this Saturday and I'm convinced Katsidis stops him early like he did Mitchell. Skybet are very generous with their odds on that, 5/2 on rounds 1-6, 7/2 on rounds 1-4, 5/1 on rounds 1-3.

    Groves beats Smith, probably via UD.

    Bute/Johnson should be interesting with Bute winning the decision, although you can get good odds on Bute stopping him. Only Hopkins has stopped Johnson before and that was a decade ago, but The Road Warrior is ancient now and with the fight being in Canada, I'm sure the ref will be eager to call a stoppage whenever Bute lands a flurry.

    Also James Toney has weighed in at under 200lbs for the cruiserweight fight against Lebedev in Russia, from 257lbs in his last fight. Unbelievable! But I expect he'll still lose. I saw a recent video of him on the pads and he looked drained and zombie-like.

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    Just caught up on 24/7. Looks like Marquez doesnt drink his own piss anymore.

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    Katsidis has seemingly aged 100 years in about 2, looked an old man tonight.

    Paul Smith got a fucking merking. Nowhere for him to go now.

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    It would be fun if someone could give some competition to Bute. Hopefully, his next opponent will be able to do so.

    I had him winning 118-111 (really tried to give as many rounds as possible to Johnson).

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    He should probably travel outside of Canada to face somebody who isn't old and on the slide in that case, might help.

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    Ward or Froch would kill Bute.

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    Ward might be a tough challenge as he is really quick.

    Froch would get KOed in less than 8 rounds. Heck, he had a tough time beating Johnson who wasn't much younger a few months ago (only Hopkins had an easier time with Johnson than Bute). Froch would open up way more than Johnson and get hurt bad by Bute's left hand.

    It's not his fault that nobody wants to fight him. Kessler rather faced Stieglitz. Pavlik rather retired.

    Hopefully, the Super 6* champion will fight him (not the 6 best boxers in that division).

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    Froch can box, he wouldn't be that open against Bute. Watch his match against Abraham, he was flawless.

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    Bute has way too much unneccessary movement and keeps his hand down. He would get embarassed by either guy.

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    Fuck knows what Paul Smith does now after his defeat on Saturday.

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    @StGeorgeGroves the way you lined up that right hand was because of that beautiful jab you displayed moments b4 the big punch! Congrats!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND View Post
    Bute has way too much unneccessary movement and keeps his hand down. He would get embarassed by either guy.
    True and true. Definitely not.

    Nobody was ever close from dictating the pace of the fight against Bute. Although his right hand is always down, he's not easy to hit. Lucian always controls the center of the ring. I'm a bit concerned about his left hand though (almost always hurt during and after fights).

    Do you think that Froch has any chance against Ward?

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    Froch has become one of my absolute favorites and is a far more exciting fighter to me but I can't see him handling Ward's quickness and ring generalship. Froch has mostly only looked good when he can control the pace and is able to wear down his opponent in the later rounds, neither of which is likely against Ward. Ward also has underappreciated power and I suspect that he has realized his career can only go so far with his safety first style and may flex a bit more to try and make a statement against Froch. For all of Wards dominance he still can't draw unless he starts fighting a more TV friendly style. I look for a dominant Ward late stoppage in the 11th.

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    Anyone else catch Kirkland/Angulo? Round 1 was one of the best rounds of boxing I can remember. As exciting as Berto/Ortiz. Maybe more.

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    R.I.P. Joe Frazier

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    Smokin' Joe was always overshadowed by Ali but without Frazier and Foreman, would the legen of Ali be what it is today?

    I always felt like Joe never quite got his due. I've read that he may have finally made peace with that towards the end. I hope that's true. R.I.P. Joe.

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    Another joke decision in boxing from Manny/Marquez on Saturday.

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    Unfortunately, I wasn't able to watch the fight.

    Looking at the stats though, how could that be a joke decision? Manny through more punches, landed more and by the looks of it, was the aggressor.

    What did Marquez do to win the fight? Not getting killed by Pacquiao like most of the other fighters?

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    I watched the fight twice, the second time without the announcers on. Both times Manny pretty clearly won the fight. I will say that Marquez landed the more meaningful punches throughout the fight, but Manny simply outworked him and Marquez basically disappeared in the 10th and 12th. I suppose he thought he was far enough ahead to fight safely.

    Manny looked off the entire night. Something happened in the second round. He was basically crosseyed in his corner after the 2nd and I could tell something wasn't right. Maybe he overtrained or had his leg cramps or whatever but I don't think so. He either is hiding a much more meaningful injury or he is simply done from the workrate he has put out in the last 4 years.

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    SIDE NOTE: I consider myself a pretty legit boxing fan. I watch literally EVERY televised match available to me. I have a new boxing blog and I can rattle off the best fighters in every division as well as name the top 3 prospects in every division. As I sit here today I cannot tell you which titles Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather have. Boxing needs to sort this all out.

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    I had Marquez winning comfortably. Pacquiao may have landed slightly more overall, but the CLEAN EFFECTIVE punching came from Marquez throughout the entire twelve rounds. Pacquiao was all over the place and barely landed anything clean. It was a wonderful counter-punching performance from JMM.

    Pacquiao was a beaten man at the end. He knew he lost, Roach knew he lost. Khan admitted he lost. Marvin Hagler, Steve Collins, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar de la Hoya, Andre Dirrell, Anthony Dirrell, Andre Ward, Matthew Macklin, Steve Cunningham, Zab Judah, Terry Norris, Andre Berto, Omar Henry, Chris Arreola, Rashad Holloway, Fernando Vargas, Juan Diaz, Erik Morales, Anthony Mundine and Jean Pascal all had Marquez down as winning, and barely anyone other than the judges and Lederman had Pacquiao.

    Rather than rant on again, I'll just put up my other posts on the subject.

    Had it been Marquez lined up for a Mayweather superfight next year generating record-breaking revenues, it would have been a comfortable UD in his favour.

    Note judge Glenn Trowbridge giving Marquez the final round (an obvious Pacquiao round) to try and even up the scores slightly. He needed to do that, he would've had it 117-111. Nine rounds to fucking three. 116-112 is bad enough.

    Marquez effectively needed a stoppage to win.
    Exactly. Marquez should not be expected to alter his style due to the possibility of unfair/crooked scoring. If he was to open up and go for the knockout he'd be playing into Pacquiao's hands and giving him an advantage. It's a ludicrous argument.

    Perhaps he did fight a conservative fight. That is very different to fighting a negative fight, like Dirrell (vs Froch) or Hopkins (vs Calzaghe) or Haye (vs Klitschko) or Mosley against Pac last time out. He didn't hold and he didn't run, he measured distance and countered. He didn't throw as many punches overall, but unlike Pac, he wasted little. He controlled the pace, threw crisp shots in every round and provided far more quality than Pac throughout.

    If Marquez was the Top Rank cash cow he would have won via comfortable UD, and everyone knows it.

    I always felt the first two fights could have gone either way and were certainly too close to label a robbery. But this one was a stitch-up of the highest order.
    A better question, rather than asking whether it was a robbery, would be to ask people whether they believe the judges acted fairly and impartially without bias towards the 'money' fighter.

    Can anyone truly say they believe that??

    Perhaps we shouldn't class a fight like this as a robbery, similar to Sturm/Macklin and many other competitive fights with controversial scores favouring the home or bigger name fighter (Williams/Lara excluded as that fight was not even close). In that case, we clearly require an entirely new word for a fight where the judges have already decided the winner before the first bell sounds and manipulate their scorecards accordingly.
    It was a joke of a decision.

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    Yeah, it was bollocks.

    Down at the other end of the boxing ability scale, did anyone watch the Tyson Fury fight? He may be a fucking awful boxer, but he does put on an entertaining punch up.

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    Yeah the Fury fight was great fun. The ref should have let them fight on.

    Fury/Audley would be good for a laugh, but I think David Price decks Fury to be honest. He really needs to sort his conditioning out, it's gone backwards again since the Chisora fight where he looked much improved.

    Eubank Jr definitely looked to have something about him.

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    Agreed, he looks to have something about him. Also gets bonus points for the 'Simply the Best' entrance music, and jumping the ropes when getting into the ring.

    Tyson Fury did look like shit as well, I was impressed by how out of shape someone can get in the space of about 2 months

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    Fury has nothing on Ricky Hatton in that regard. I remember him commentating on the De la Hoya/Pacquiao fight, just two weeks after he'd beaten Malignaggi. He looked like he'd eaten Johnny Vegas.

    Surely it's impossible to balloon about four stone in two weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevermind View Post
    Unfortunately, I wasn't able to watch the fight.

    Looking at the stats though, how could that be a joke decision? Manny through more punches, landed more and by the looks of it, was the aggressor.

    What did Marquez do to win the fight? Not getting killed by Pacquiao like most of the other fighters?
    Watch the fight if you can.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND View Post
    I will say that Marquez landed the more meaningful punches throughout the fight, but Manny simply outworked him and Marquez basically disappeared in the 10th and 12th. I suppose he thought he was far enough ahead to fight safely.
    Where was Manny in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th? Those rounds most people will say Marquez won, while most would say ok beinf fair Manny won 3 rounds of those.

    Like UK Blue Manny was all over the place and once again proved he couldn't cope with Marquez's style and couldn't work him out or change his game plan.

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    Also I don't agree with people had Pacquiao ahead and used reasons such as affective aggression and ring generalship, because it seemed to my eyes that Marquez was confusing Pacquiao with his general command of the ring. This was making Pacquiao at certain stages looked confused and befuddled and through his movements to the side and precise counter punching was at times making Pacquiao look ordinary and extremely ineffective and towards the end of the fight there was no question in my mind that even if the judges got it wrong, in my eyes the worst that Marquez could possible get in terms of an outcome would be a draw. When the first score card was announced 114 / 114, I thought to myself here we go again another draw but when the second score card was announced 115 / 113 the unthinkable went through my head “oh my god” they’re going to give it to Pacquiao and when the final announcement was made I felt guttered for the sport and I felt guttered for Marquez.

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    I love Manny, but he needs to start training and stop politicking. Marquez won that fight.

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    Interesting opinions here. I like it.

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    Finally watched the fight .. gotta say I really don't get the controversy. Manny pretty clearly landed a lot more shots than Marquez through the whole fight. I don't have numbers, but it seemed like a lot more.. Marquez landed some heavier shots than Manny here and there, but not enough to warrant a win from where I'm sitting.

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    That pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

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    Marquez was responsible for much, much more effective work. Manny looked a bit desperate. He might technically have landed more shots, but the vast majority were light, cuffing blows and he was often off balance when firing. Marquez looked fantastic.

    Everyone knows he won. Pretty much every single professional fighter that's commented has said he clearly won. Pacquiao and Roach at the end of the fight obviously knew Marquez had won, their body language was clear as day.

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    Manny didnt land ENOUGH more to compensate for the fact that Marquez' punches were significantly cleaner.

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    Marquez didn't land ENOUGH clean shots to counteract Manny's workrate. This is pretty much how boxing is always judged.

    Had Marquez ever had Manny in any kind of real trouble I could see the argument. In a fight where no one gets in trouble the default is typically workrate. It certainly wasn't decisive enough to garner the mass hysteria and cries of controversy and injustice that some media outlets are creating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND View Post
    Marquez didn't land ENOUGH clean shots to counteract Manny's workrate. This is pretty much how boxing is always judged.
    ...amateur boxing. Based on the professional scoring system (effective aggression, defense, ring generalship, clean and hard punching) Marquez should have won comfortably.

    It's not like Marquez only landed a handful of clean shots throughout the fight and went entire rounds barely landing anything (like Hopkins against Calzaghe, for instance). He landed clean, hard punches in almost every round.

    When Calzaghe outworked Hopkins to the decision it was despite the eye-catching punches coming from Hopkins, because Hopkins simply didn't throw enough back and was swamped by Calzaghe's output. His win was simply down to his phenomenal workrate. He pressed the action and although he landed very few hurtful shots himself, there was so little coming back in comparison that you had to give him the rounds. That simply wasn't the case on Saturday.

    Pacquiao landed 38 (27%) more punches than Marquez according to CompuBox, with Marquez connecting at a higher %. An average of three more punches per round shouldn't equate to 'outworking' someone. The quality of work should be paramount in the judges' eyes in a fight where the punch output is that close. Very different to Calzaghe landing 105 (83%) more punches than Hopkins, yet many people were still screaming 'robbery!'.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDBERG'S BEST FRIEND View Post
    It certainly wasn't decisive enough to garner the mass hysteria and cries of controversy and injustice that some media outlets are creating.
    Cries of controversy are coming from many current and ex pro fighters too, as well as coaches and supposed experts, as I listed before. They're not merely shouting it to sell papers etc. They know that Marquez could have completely dominated the fight and he still wouldn't have been given a fair shake on the scorecards.

    Nazim Richardson: "when they were starting to read the scores it didn't surprise me, because Mayweather is the only person in there allowed to beat Pacquiao by decision right about now"

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK Blue View Post
    ...amateur boxing. Based on the professional scoring system (effective aggression, defense, ring generalship, clean and hard punching) Marquez should have won comfortably.

    It's not like Marquez only landed a handful of clean shots throughout the fight and went entire rounds barely landing anything (like Hopkins against Calzaghe, for instance). He landed clean, hard punches in almost every round.

    When Calzaghe outworked Hopkins to the decision it was despite the eye-catching punches coming from Hopkins, because Hopkins simply didn't throw enough back and was swamped by Calzaghe's output. His win was simply down to his phenomenal workrate. He pressed the action and although he landed very few hurtful shots himself, there was so little coming back in comparison that you had to give him the rounds. That simply wasn't the case on Saturday.

    Pacquiao landed 38 (27%) more punches than Marquez according to CompuBox, with Marquez connecting at a higher %. An average of three more punches per round shouldn't equate to 'outworking' someone. The quality of work should be paramount in the judges' eyes in a fight where the punch output is that close. Very different to Calzaghe landing 105 (83%) more punches than Hopkins, yet many people were still screaming 'robbery!'.



    Cries of controversy are coming from many current and ex pro fighters too, as well as coaches and supposed experts, as I listed before. They're not merely shouting it to sell papers etc. They know that Marquez could have completely dominated the fight and he still wouldn't have been given a fair shake on the scorecards.

    Nazim Richardson: "when they were starting to read the scores it didn't surprise me, because Mayweather is the only person in there allowed to beat Pacquiao by decision right about now"

    Pretty much sums up my views on the matter.

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    It was announced today that Manny won fair and square.

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    Ok then, I'm convinced.

    New topic, how do we think Froch is going to get on. I've got a suspicion that he's going to sneak it. Its a massive shame that he is still pretty unknown over here, I don't know a British fighter to have had as many top level rights in a row. I don't think it helped with him calling out Calzaghe who was loved by all.

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    Well-respected, retired judge Chuck Giampa paid a visit to Zute's Boxing Talk last week to give his opinion of the scoring controversy in the aftermath of Pacquiao vs Marquez III.

    Chuck Giampa, once one of the top boxing judges in the world, had an illustrious career and participated in many memorable championship fights including Holyfield vs Bowe and Holyfield vs Tyson II. He has served as a judge for over 120 world championship fights in addition to many regional and international title fights in Europe, Asia and South America.

    Giampa was adamant that Juan Manuel Marquez beat Manny Pacquiao comfortably. His score for Pacquiao vs Marquez III differed quite a bit from the three official scorecards handed in November 12 as well as some, if not most, of the press reporters at ringside. And according to Giampa, even the score of 114-114 is unacceptable because it indicates Pacquiao did enough to retain his title.
    Giampa scored the fight in favor of Juan Manuel Marquez 116-112.

    Those who felt the fight was close or could have gone either way often suggest most fans do not know how to score a professional prize fight but Giampa was a seasoned judge, having scored some of the biggest fights in the last thirty years.

    So why did Chuck see a different fight than the judges?

    Pacquiao's Footwork
    Manny Pacquiao, as usual, displayed excellent footwork in this bout. His footwork is exemplary and Giampa believes its possible some judges can be mesmerized by it. Giampa asserted he never let a fighter's superior footwork influence his judging. "The footwork doesn't mean anything (with regards to scoring a bout)," stated Giampa.

    Chuck further explained a boxer's superior footwork only means something if he is using it to better position himself to land effective shots, counter punch and cut off the ring. If a fighter doesn't do those things, his footwork may be aesthetically-pleasing but should have to effect on judging.

    "This is not Dancing with the Stars, this is boxing," said Chuck.

    Effective Aggression
    "The main thing you look at is effective aggressiveness," said Giampa. And while Manny Pacquiao was pressing the fight and was far more aggressive, Giampa believes Marquez's counter-punching limited Pacquiao to simply that - an aggressor.

    Points are not awarded for aggression - They are awarded for effective aggression. According to Giampa, an effective aggressor would have been able to mitigate Marquez's counter-punching and land more punches of his own.
    "When Manny did land a good shot, Marquez would come back with one or two more and a few times he stopped Pacquiao in his tracks... that was not effective aggression."

    Work-Rate
    Those who believe Pacquiao won will also cite his superior work-rate. According to official fight statistics from CompuBox, a program that counts and categorizes punches in boxing matches, the more aggressive Manny Pacquiao threw and landed more punches than Marquez and even connected on more power-shots (or non jabs).

    While CompuBox metrics serve as good information and are nice to show to viewers, judges don't see them during the fight and, as a result, don't take them into consideration in scoring. In addition, CompuBox metrics - even if accurate - can be misleading.

    "(Compu Box) Punch stats do not take into consideration what (punch) is effective." Chuck felt Marquez's' punches where "clearly more effective."

    Only in amateur boxing, where a clean jab is worth as much as a hard punch that generates a knockdown, does landing more punches justify a win.

    Champion's Benefit of the Doubt in Scoring
    Lastly, many who argue Pacquiao deserved a win or draw will assert that a champion must be more decisively beaten to have his title taken from him and that the champion must be given the benefit of the doubt in rounds that are very close. Although its not an official rule, it's a philosophical notion that's infiltrated the sport almost as long as its existence.

    Giampa, himself, disputed the old-age notion saying, "Technically he is not the champ anymore when the bell rings. He literally gives his belt up - They are fighting for the belt."

    According to the famed former judge, the notion of giving the champion the benefit of the doubt when assessing close rounds was dropped in the 1950's and that all judges should know that the champion is, literally, not the champion anymore when the fight starts. "We (were) taught that in Nevada for years."
    Chuck is very passionate about how judges should approach their work and was puzzled by the scoring of Pacquiao vs Marquez III.

    "I honestly don't know what these judges were watching.... I will be interviewing the judges."

    Chuck Giampa Today
    Chuck now writes for The Ring. His articles, written from a judge's standpoint, focus on topics and subject matter that relate to officiating in the sport. He also holds seminars for judges on a consistent basis.

    Giampa has appeared on Zute's Boxing Talk multiple times and has always given us straight talk. As an esteemed former judge with years of 'high- profile' fight experience, Giampa's opinion must be respected, even if challenged.
    Interesting read.

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    Well-respected, retired judge Chuck Giampa paid a visit to Zute's Boxing Talk last week to give his opinion of the scoring controversy in the aftermath of Pacquiao vs Marquez III.

    Chuck Giampa, once one of the top boxing judges in the world, had an illustrious career and participated in many memorable championship fights including Holyfield vs Bowe and Holyfield vs Tyson II. He has served as a judge for over 120 world championship fights in addition to many regional and international title fights in Europe, Asia and South America.

    Giampa was adamant that Juan Manuel Marquez beat Manny Pacquiao comfortably. His score for Pacquiao vs Marquez III differed quite a bit from the three official scorecards handed in November 12 as well as some, if not most, of the press reporters at ringside. And according to Giampa, even the score of 114-114 is unacceptable because it indicates Pacquiao did enough to retain his title.
    Giampa scored the fight in favor of Juan Manuel Marquez 116-112.

    Those who felt the fight was close or could have gone either way often suggest most fans do not know how to score a professional prize fight but Giampa was a seasoned judge, having scored some of the biggest fights in the last thirty years.

    So why did Chuck see a different fight than the judges?

    Pacquiao's Footwork
    Manny Pacquiao, as usual, displayed excellent footwork in this bout. His footwork is exemplary and Giampa believes its possible some judges can be mesmerized by it. Giampa asserted he never let a fighter's superior footwork influence his judging. "The footwork doesn't mean anything (with regards to scoring a bout)," stated Giampa.

    Chuck further explained a boxer's superior footwork only means something if he is using it to better position himself to land effective shots, counter punch and cut off the ring. If a fighter doesn't do those things, his footwork may be aesthetically-pleasing but should have to effect on judging.

    "This is not Dancing with the Stars, this is boxing," said Chuck.

    Effective Aggression
    "The main thing you look at is effective aggressiveness," said Giampa. And while Manny Pacquiao was pressing the fight and was far more aggressive, Giampa believes Marquez's counter-punching limited Pacquiao to simply that - an aggressor.

    Points are not awarded for aggression - They are awarded for effective aggression. According to Giampa, an effective aggressor would have been able to mitigate Marquez's counter-punching and land more punches of his own.
    "When Manny did land a good shot, Marquez would come back with one or two more and a few times he stopped Pacquiao in his tracks... that was not effective aggression."

    Work-Rate
    Those who believe Pacquiao won will also cite his superior work-rate. According to official fight statistics from CompuBox, a program that counts and categorizes punches in boxing matches, the more aggressive Manny Pacquiao threw and landed more punches than Marquez and even connected on more power-shots (or non jabs).

    While CompuBox metrics serve as good information and are nice to show to viewers, judges don't see them during the fight and, as a result, don't take them into consideration in scoring. In addition, CompuBox metrics - even if accurate - can be misleading.

    "(Compu Box) Punch stats do not take into consideration what (punch) is effective." Chuck felt Marquez's' punches where "clearly more effective."

    Only in amateur boxing, where a clean jab is worth as much as a hard punch that generates a knockdown, does landing more punches justify a win.

    Champion's Benefit of the Doubt in Scoring
    Lastly, many who argue Pacquiao deserved a win or draw will assert that a champion must be more decisively beaten to have his title taken from him and that the champion must be given the benefit of the doubt in rounds that are very close. Although its not an official rule, it's a philosophical notion that's infiltrated the sport almost as long as its existence.

    Giampa, himself, disputed the old-age notion saying, "Technically he is not the champ anymore when the bell rings. He literally gives his belt up - They are fighting for the belt."

    According to the famed former judge, the notion of giving the champion the benefit of the doubt when assessing close rounds was dropped in the 1950's and that all judges should know that the champion is, literally, not the champion anymore when the fight starts. "We (were) taught that in Nevada for years."
    Chuck is very passionate about how judges should approach their work and was puzzled by the scoring of Pacquiao vs Marquez III.

    "I honestly don't know what these judges were watching.... I will be interviewing the judges."

    Chuck Giampa Today
    Chuck now writes for The Ring. His articles, written from a judge's standpoint, focus on topics and subject matter that relate to officiating in the sport. He also holds seminars for judges on a consistent basis.

    Giampa has appeared on Zute's Boxing Talk multiple times and has always given us straight talk. As an esteemed former judge with years of 'high- profile' fight experience, Giampa's opinion must be respected, even if challenged.
    Interesting read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    Ok then, I'm convinced.

    New topic, how do we think Froch is going to get on. I've got a suspicion that he's going to sneak it. Its a massive shame that he is still pretty unknown over here, I don't know a British fighter to have had as many top level rights in a row. I don't think it helped with him calling out Calzaghe who was loved by all.
    Froch is going to have a tough time with Ward. I would wager on an ugly fight that Ward wins running away on points.

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    Dirrell(and Taylor really) set the blue print out pretty clearly on how to beat Froch and Ward is quite a bit more intelligent than either of those fighters. Froch also had a really tough time with Kessler(though I thought the fight should have been ruled a draw). Ward embarrassed Kessler quite handily. I can't really think of anyone who has even given Ward a tough bout yet...

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    I'm still waiting on Taylor's return fight.

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15928510.stm

    Why did he even bother retiring in the first place? His actions over the past few months have made him look an absolute bellend.

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    Huge weekend of boxing coming up with Mares vs. Agbeko II and Cotto vs. Margarito II. Looking very forward to both fights, particularly Mares/Agbeko. I am hoping Agbeko murders him after the low blow fiasco in the first fight.

    If the fight is any good and Agbeko pulls off a win, I could easily see this becoming another epic trilogy.

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    The Ortiz/Berto rematch is also coming either late January or early February. Fight should be signed by next week. AWESOME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15928510.stm

    Why did he even bother retiring in the first place? His actions over the past few months have made him look an absolute bellend.
    Yeah he looks like a twat. A Vitali fight should be far more exciting though, if it comes off. At least he'll force the issue. Apparently they offered Haye a contract today and the ball is in his court.

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    Got another one of my silly bets on the go.

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    Very much looking forward to the next few weeks of fights, although it looks like I'll have to find a stream for Cotto/Margarito this weekend. Any Brits here ordering BoxNation, out of interest? I'm not keen on the six-month contract at all, the few months after this one will probably be shit (although I guess they might snap up Ortiz/Berto and Maidana/Alexander in February).

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    I know I mentioned it last year and ended up doing nothing, but would anyone be up for a 2012 Fantasy Boxing game? Got a few ideas (stolen from other boards) on how one could work.

    Let me know if you're interested and if there's enough we can sort something out over the next month

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