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    Man we really banned Tim/Peter at the wrong time didn’t we? Got all of his boasting bile and none of his crushing disappointment.

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    Luiz red stands. Doubling down on the nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Man we really banned Tim/Peter at the wrong time didn’t we? Got all of his boasting bile and none of his crushing disappointment.
    If I ever bump into him at Anfield, I’ll pass on any messages

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    Does anyone else think that Liverpool may be in decline?


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    It really shows how having the right CB can make all the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    It really shows how having the right CB can make all the difference.
    They are basically back to the team they were before they signed VDV with the results to match

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    They got humped 7-2 by Villa when Van Dijk was still in the team...

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    I was also referring to City getting Dias and the change in City since then.

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    United falling into a rut here. Three games in a row without a goal.

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    5 home defeats in a row for Liverpool. Wheels off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    It really shows how having the right CB can make all the difference.
    Shows what an idiot Klopp was by going into a season where fixture congestion was always going to be a thing with only 3 CBs and two of them (Gomez and Matip) are a bit injury prone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    5 home defeats in a row for Liverpool. Wheels off.
    Hehehehehhe. THIS MEANS MORE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary J View Post
    Shows what an idiot Klopp was by going into a season where fixture congestion was always going to be a thing with only 3 CBs and two of them (Gomez and Matip) are a bit injury prone.
    Don't know how much is his fault and how much is the transfer committee assuming it still exists?

    Though there was talk wagner recommended the shalke cb so maybe he has a fair say

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    Super league then.. wild they're threatening players with national team bans

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    I hope it happens. Good riddance to the lot of them.

    Interesting though, any club who is all for doing this obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about their fans yet they are the ones with the most supporters.

    Humans eh?

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    This super league is such bullshit. I can't believe the teams are still going forward with it.

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    Its a shocking business plan.

    Bayern and PSG are not interested so that should be that.

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    Surely the near unanimous disdain from all sides should kill it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Its a shocking business plan.

    Bayern and PSG are not interested so that should be that.
    German clubs put the rest of the European teams to shame in general. Better stewards of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    I hope it happens. Good riddance to the lot of them.

    Interesting though, any club who is all for doing this obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about their fans yet they are the ones with the most supporters.

    Humans eh?
    They have the biggest remote fanbases right they would probably play games from this tournament anywhere in the world if the money was right.


    So detached from the community around them

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    They have the biggest remote fanbases right they would probably play games from this tournament anywhere in the world if the money was right.


    So detached from the community around them
    They should go full tilt on it then and have Real Madrid Bejing and Manchester Manilla United or something then.

    That would be great actually if the league started and then they all got franchised to other parts of the world.

    The surely realize that a big part of the attraction is watching games with the fans in attendance. Otherwise you just get the sterile stuff we are all watching now.

    It wont happen anyway but its nice to see the governing bodies calling their bluff.

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    The thing that annoys me a lot is all the fucking crying they all do over Christmas football and cups and then they beg for more champions league games.

    I'm confused as to what it is they want this time. Didn't Didn't new format mean more games and more guaranteed revenue? Is it just the chance they may not qualify? Surely thats not a thing for real or barca

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    Arsenal and Spurs wanting it to happen is like working class tories.

    More importantly does any fan actually want it to happen? Other than some big club fans from all corners of the globe wanting it I am not seeing any support so why is it even a discussion?

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    Wow. They’re still progressing with this. I think I legit will have to stop watching European football if this actually happens. Toronto FC only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Arsenal and Spurs wanting it to happen is like working class tories.

    More importantly does any fan actually want it to happen? Other than some big club fans from all corners of the globe wanting it I am not seeing any support so why is it even a discussion?
    I guess they're banking that despite some inevitable opposition, they will still fill stadiums for the games - or maybe they don't even give a shit about that because there's presumably much more revenue to be gained from the international markets than there is from ticket sales.

    It's truly revolting that it's even got to this extent and shows the contempt that clubs have for their fans. I agree with MMH that if that's what they want, let them go and I hope it crashes and burns. It is at least encouraging to see such blanket opposition to it from all sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    They have the biggest remote fanbases right they would probably play games from this tournament anywhere in the world if the money was right.


    So detached from the community around them
    When they get like 90% of their revenue from outside the community is that really surprising?

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    It's not even slightly surprising but that doesn't mean it has to sit right with people.

    Premier league will be in am awkward position. Being asked to ban the clubs involved. The clubs want to stay but have just carved up the league now the race for cl places is gone.

    I expect further proposals to close the pl shop to come soon. Maybe a pl2 with no relegation from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Its a shocking business plan.

    Bayern and PSG are not interested so that should be that.
    Where did you read that. Said on BBC they were at the meeting to sign up along with Ajax and the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Arsenal and Spurs wanting it to happen is like working class tories.

    More importantly does any fan actually want it to happen? Other than some big club fans from all corners of the globe wanting it I am not seeing any support so why is it even a discussion?
    Really? Arsenal is still one of the best supported teams in the world despite our current position. Spurs i'll give you

    Seriously though the idea is garbage and I cannot see it progressing. Shocking greed though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Where did you read that. Said on BBC they were at the meeting to sign up along with Ajax and the rest.
    None of the German clubs will do it as they are fan owned.

    PSG have major links to FIFA so that's not going to happen either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Really? Arsenal is still one of the best supported teams in the world despite our current position. Spurs i'll give you

    Seriously though the idea is garbage and I cannot see it progressing. Shocking greed though.
    It's not a knock at any clubs.

    Of course Arsenal (and indeed Spurs) are big clubs, as soon as they go into this Super League they are no longer big clubs and are there to make up the numbers. Lets say that PSG or Bayern one day do decide to join up one day if it takes off, Arsenal and Spurs would be first on the list to be chopped to make room for them.

    Yeah it wont happen, I find it all quite interesting though to be honest.

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    That is a funny thing - any Arsenal fan in favour of it should bear in mind there's every chance they'll be finishing rock bottom of that league every year. They think they're miserable now?

    From a reputational standpoint I don't really understand the value of having done this. Everyone is immediately looking at these clubs differently now - did they not see this coming, or do they just not care?

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    It is of course quite laughable for the Premier League and other bodies to pretend that up until this point football was some kind of socialist utopia of equal opportunities; clearly their main concern is also primarily financial but they do at least in theory have the moral argument on their side.

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    Football has always been quite representative of society as a whole.

    This is a perfect reflection of people these days. I am listening to Talksport this morning and some of the people ringing in are fucking idiots. Horrible bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    It's not a knock at any clubs.

    Of course Arsenal (and indeed Spurs) are big clubs, as soon as they go into this Super League they are no longer big clubs and are there to make up the numbers. Lets say that PSG or Bayern one day do decide to join up one day if it takes off, Arsenal and Spurs would be first on the list to be chopped to make room for them.

    Yeah it wont happen, I find it all quite interesting though to be honest.
    I know I was kidding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gangers View Post
    That is a funny thing - any Arsenal fan in favour of it should bear in mind there's every chance they'll be finishing rock bottom of that league every year. They think they're miserable now?

    From a reputational standpoint I don't really understand the value of having done this. Everyone is immediately looking at these clubs differently now - did they not see this coming, or do they just not care?
    Money. The owners have no interest in anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Football has always been quite representative of society as a whole.

    This is a perfect reflection of people these days. I am listening to Talksport this morning and some of the people ringing in are fucking idiots. Horrible bastards.
    Well if you are gonna listen to Talksport....don't tell me people are actually calling in supporting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post

    Well if you are gonna listen to Talksport....don't tell me people are actually calling in supporting it?
    A couple, most notably people who support these clubs who have nothing to do with where these clubs are from. Their target market basically.

    Arsene Wenger is on next which should be interesting.

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    Mourinho leaves Spurs.

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    And the ESL can fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraXX View Post
    Mourinho leaves Spurs.
    That implies it was his choice.

    Now seeing some reports that they don't care about "legacy fans". Fuck off.

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    With this ESL thing I think the danger is targeting the wrong people for punishment here.

    Just using Liverpool as an example, lets be clear here, I hate their fans and their players with every single inch of my being. Like despise them...

    However I have seen the banners at Leeds saying RIP LFC, LFC are not their owners, its their fans and their players, history etc. Banning players from competing in World Cups etc is an understandable move but its not the players who have done this, banning the clubs from this years European competitions or from the Premier League is also an understandable idea but its not the fans who have asked for this, certainly not the proper fans (not just matchgoers but those who support the club from wherever and understand where the club comes from and all that).

    For all the clubs involved, its the owners who are the villains here. I would be fuming if I was one of their fans. As a fan of one of the "minnows" (seriously...) I can at least sit back for now and enjoy the chaos.

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    It's just how monumentally tone deaf they all are. It isn't something the fans want. Europe is an incentive. Once you eliminate the authenticity of that from the pyramid system in Europe, the rest of it becomes nonsense. Particularly disgraceful to announce it in a season like this, with Leicester, West Ham and Everton in with fighting chances of qualifying for it this year. Imagine taking the gloss off that to make the narrative about these six teams again. Imagine telling your managers and players before you break the news too. Just a shocker all around. Even as a United fan, I hope it backfires, the 6 clubs get docked points, get a significant European ban and it gets nipped in the bud too. If that levels the playing field, so be it.

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    Gary Neville has spoken very well about this today. But he seemed spooked by the fact that the Glazers have signed their name to this statement, as if it’s going through no matter what happens and it won’t lead to the inevitable compromise or climbdown that happened with Project Big Picture.

    I feel for the managers who will face questions about this for weeks and months to come. Klopp talking tonight about getting into the top four when his employers don’t even want to be in the champions league.

    What a joke to see Tottenham and Arsenal in this. They’d be at the bottom of the pile every year and the first to be booted out if others were allowed to join. Still, glad to see the back of Jose. The positives before Christmas feels like years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Batter View Post
    It's just how monumentally tone deaf they all are. It isn't something the fans want. Europe is an incentive. Once you eliminate the authenticity of that from the pyramid system in Europe, the rest of it becomes nonsense. Particularly disgraceful to announce it in a season like this, with Leicester, West Ham and Everton in with fighting chances of qualifying for it this year. Imagine taking the gloss off that to make the narrative about these six teams again. Imagine telling your managers and players before you break the news too. Just a shocker all around. Even as a United fan, I hope it backfires, the 6 clubs get docked points, get a significant European ban and it gets nipped in the bud too. If that levels the playing field, so be it.
    Even if it "levels the playing field" to League 1 levels when all the international money leaves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Even if it "levels the playing field" to League 1 levels when all the international money leaves?
    I would take that over this.

    There is zero point playing in a league where you have no chance of winning anything and no reward at the end of it.

    I don't think a lot of International followers of the game grasp how bad this is for every club that is not one of the chosen few. They don't have to care though do they as they don't experience the following a football club thing in the same way. As long as there is some football to watch it doesn't matter.

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    The amount of people out there who seemingly don't understand football is worrying.

    This is not something that requires "top bantz" by people on social media.

    It's always going to happen of course but fuck me, some people are thick as a brick.

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    It's going to be boring as hell seeing Man United play Real Madrid 4 times every season. The money might be there at the start, but the sheen will wear off if that's the only league they are allowed to compete in. I guess banning plays from international games is to try and motivate players into lobbying their club not to go through with it. I cannot understand why any football fan would want this to happen. This is a decision driven purely by owners wanting to make more money and possibly as a result the players of those teams might make more money. I have no idea why you would want the owner of something you support to make more money.

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    Imagine a bunch of club owners who have ruined the sport claiming that they are creating their own league to fix the sport they broke.

    Knobheads.

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    I thought this was good. I mean beside them saying the super league wouldn't happen like 4 days ago haha

    These clubs are being mismanaged terribly. Messi shouldn't be making 75m a year. It doesn't make sense.Barca have a turnover of like a billion a year yet are in a billion of debt.

    You begin to see why a super league appeals as the new revenue stream allows them to renegotiate terms on debt based on future earnings but realistically these are all symptoms of the real problem. Football is too big and too expensive now.

    It's the hardest problem in the sport to fix. If you try to do the FFP stuff you end up cementing the big clubs near the top as they have the biggest revenues based on historic success largely acheived by overspending.

    This bubble is just getting bigger and bigger. It's no surprise to me they are talking to Disney and Amazon etc as they won't default on these eye watering payments.

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    I would take that over this.

    There is zero point playing in a league where you have no chance of winning anything and no reward at the end of it.

    I don't think a lot of International followers of the game grasp how bad this is for every club that is not one of the chosen few. They don't have to care though do they as they don't experience the following a football club thing in the same way. As long as there is some football to watch it doesn't matter.
    I don't think a lot of Domestic followers of the game grasp how bad is would be for EVERY club in the country to try to remove the "Big 6"

    I know everyone like to act nostalgic about the 70s and 80s but you do remember how poor the actual football was right? And the stadiums? And policing?

    Compare the facilities and staffing at a League 1 game to a Premier league game. The difference is the millions and millions of pounds they get in international TV rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    It's going to be boring as hell seeing Man United play Real Madrid 4 times every season. The money might be there at the start, but the sheen will wear off if that's the only league they are allowed to compete in. I guess banning plays from international games is to try and motivate players into lobbying their club not to go through with it. I cannot understand why any football fan would want this to happen. This is a decision driven purely by owners wanting to make more money and possibly as a result the players of those teams might make more money. I have no idea why you would want the owner of something you support to make more money.
    Yes, it is much better letting UEFA screw over the fans instead…

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I don't think a lot of Domestic followers of the game grasp how bad is would be for EVERY club in the country to try to remove the "Big 6"

    I know everyone like to act nostalgic about the 70s and 80s but you do remember how poor the actual football was right? And the stadiums? And policing?

    Compare the facilities and staffing at a League 1 game to a Premier league game. The difference is the millions and millions of pounds they get in international TV rights.
    I'm genuinely not sure 'the football' is better now than it was 20/30/40 years ago. The televised product sure but enjoying a game live is a different thing. The millions have polluted the lower leagues as well. It's a veritable graveyard of teams who spent too much trying to get to that top table.

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    I am not really talking about the quality of the play. I am talking about the quality of the infrastructure. Small, dirty stadiums filled with drunk, angry ultras and shitty TV cameras and muddy pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I am not really talking about the quality of the play. I am talking about the quality of the infrastructure. Small, dirty stadiums filled with drunk, angry ultras and shitty TV cameras and muddy pitches.
    A lot of the big stadiums now a days were there then too so I'm not sure. Yes they've been redeveloped but they remain the same and also atmosphere has been lost in a number of them.

    I am not angry with people who want to watch the ESL. Genuinely I'm not. You want to watch Bayern vs Real a few times a year.. Ok sure I get it.

    The bit that annoys me is they are cutitng away at the league itself a fair amount as so much has been made of the competition for european places. Now you have 2 outcomes a season, win the league or get relegated. Right now there's probably 6/7 teams who genuinely think they have a tilt at a Europa league position but in the future for teams like West Ham or Leicester what's the goal? To win the league? Ok but 6 of the teams have a near billion dollar income stream over a few years which is going to be quite hard to compete with.

    UEFA are not heroes in any version of this. All this talk of banning players from the Euros is outrageous and imagine the crying if the ESL then said ok no sweat we're no longer doing international breaks then and will be on TV same time as the international football..
    SKY are not heroes in any version of this, they like most of us are motivated by self-interest. It's not just a fear of being outbid for ESL coverage but also a fear that the PL deal becomes massively devalued.

    I'm telling you right now that if this Super League was exactly as it is now but 1 or 2 teams from each of the member countries got relegated there would be less complaining. It's the closed competition aspect of it that actually undermines the 'product'. This isn't the same as the NFL etc because this is us moving from open competition to closed. Will people get used to it assuming it happens? Yep. Will complaining quieten down? Yep. Will a large section of local fans switch off and disassociate from the clubs? Honestly yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    The bit that annoys me is they are cutitng away at the league itself a fair amount as so much has been made of the competition for european places. Now you have 2 outcomes a season, win the league or get relegated. Right now there's probably 6/7 teams who genuinely think they have a tilt at a Europa league position but in the future for teams like West Ham or Leicester what's the goal? To win the league? Ok but 6 of the teams have a near billion dollar income stream over a few years which is going to be quite hard to compete with.
    This is the part that is annoying me the most. We have no idea what the plans are to integrate more teams into "Europe" are. Except we know for sure they do want more teams than just these 12. So how about we wait and they negotiate a solution that still keeps drama for the league? That would not be that hard if everyone was actually trying to make it work.

    Yes, the money will be an issue but money is already a huge issue and will continue to be one even if the ESL goes away today.

    I don't expect them to "relegate" the name teams (that is the whole point). But I do think they will 'open' the competition to guarentee the best teams in Europe play in it. There is tons of room for expansion. It will eventually have 24-32 teams.

    West Ham and Leicester are not the clubs that are going to get screwed; that will be Cluj and Zagreb and the rest of Eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    This is the part that is annoying me the most. We have no idea what the plans are to integrate more teams into "Europe" are. Except we know for sure they do want more teams than just these 12. So how about we wait and they negotiate a solution that still keeps drama for the league? That would not be that hard if everyone was actually trying to make it work.

    Yes, the money will be an issue but money is already a huge issue and will continue to be one even if the ESL goes away today.

    I don't expect them to "relegate" the name teams (that is the whole point). But I do think they will 'open' the competition to guarentee the best teams in Europe play in it. There is tons of room for expansion. It will eventually have 24-32 teams.

    West Ham and Leicester are not the clubs that are going to get screwed; that will be Cluj and Zagreb and the rest of Eastern Europe.
    We do know what will happen. These 12-16 teams are untouchable. That is unacceptable.

    The "expansion" is purely there to pat some other clubs on the head. They can get rid of them at any time if they wanted to. This expansion will not go to the little shitty clubs (ie every club apart from them) it will go to big market clubs globally, some of which probably don't even exist right now

    You don't get it. I don't expect you to get it, you have no real stake in it other than being a consumer, you will get your football regardless. Have you read Perez's comments today? They are fucking disgraceful.

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    I read them. I never thought they felt any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I read them. I never thought they felt any different.
    Yeah because you don't get it.

    Sorry it sounds like I am having a go at you, I really am not, I happen to like you and always find your posts well thought out and enjoyable, I am just kind of sick of the running of our sport, our teams and our leagues being dictated to by people who will probably never even set foot in a football ground of one of the clubs involved in any of this.

    Ah well Legacy supporters eh? What are we like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I am not really talking about the quality of the play. I am talking about the quality of the infrastructure. Small, dirty stadiums filled with drunk, angry ultras and shitty TV cameras and muddy pitches.
    I much prefer Highbury with it's closeness to the pitch, atmosphere (insert joke here) and tradition than the soul less Emirates stadium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Yeah because you don't get it.

    Sorry it sounds like I am having a go at you, I really am not, I happen to like you and always find your posts well thought out and enjoyable, I am just kind of sick of the running of our sport, our teams and our leagues being dictated to by people who will probably never even set foot in a football ground of one of the clubs involved in any of this.

    Ah well Legacy supporters eh? What are we like?
    Nothing personal.

    But very few supporters will ever go to a match. Are we now saying the only "real fans" are those who have thousands of pounds to spend on match tickets/trips every year? That unless you live within walking distance of a football ground you have no right to support a team? That level of "gatekeeping" seems just as astonishingly arrogant as the owners actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Nothing personal.

    But very few supporters will ever go to a match. Are we now saying the only "real fans" are those who have thousands of pounds to spend on match tickets/trips every year? That unless you live within walking distance of a football ground you have no right to support a team? That level of "gatekeeping" seems just as astonishingly arrogant as the owners actions.
    There's no gatekeeping. I support a team and don't live near the place. I feel I should have less say than those that live in the community around the club. That club should be an extension to the community as it isn't a franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    We do know what will happen. These 12-16 teams are untouchable. That is unacceptable.

    The "expansion" is purely there to pat some other clubs on the head. They can get rid of them at any time if they wanted to. This expansion will not go to the little shitty clubs (ie every club apart from them) it will go to big market clubs globally, some of which probably don't even exist right now

    You don't get it. I don't expect you to get it, you have no real stake in it other than being a consumer, you will get your football regardless. Have you read Perez's comments today? They are fucking disgraceful.
    We know the goal is for these teams the founders to be untouchable. They want guaranteed revenue steams. The idea of them making less because the team isn't as good isn't acceptable to them. That's the entire issue here. That's why there wasn;t the same level of complaints about the expanded CL model that was passed yday.

    It's very clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    There's no gatekeeping. I support a team and don't live near the place. I feel I should have less say than those that live in the community around the club. That club should be an extension to the community as it isn't a franchise.
    Should be? Sure. But it is not. And it has not been for decades. That ship sailed in 1992.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Nothing personal.

    But very few supporters will ever go to a match. Are we now saying the only "real fans" are those who have thousands of pounds to spend on match tickets/trips every year? That unless you live within walking distance of a football ground you have no right to support a team? That level of "gatekeeping" seems just as astonishingly arrogant as the owners actions.
    Thats not it at all.

    Your habits will not change regardless as a fan from abroad. You want to watch whatever team you like and it wont matter as you are watching it purely on TV. You do not go to every game home and away, you are not getting screwed over ticket costs, travel etc and you are not losing the rivalries that the local fans have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Thats not it at all.

    Your habits will not change regardless as a fan from abroad. You want to watch whatever team you like and it wont matter as you are watching it purely on TV. You do not go to every game home and away, you are not getting screwed over ticket costs, travel etc and you are not losing the rivalries that the local fans have.
    That is true for like 90% of all supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    That is true for like 90% of all supporters.
    It's not. You are confusing what a supporter is.

    I need to expand a bit as I posted my last one when leaving work and didn't really go in depth.

    First of all I am an out of town fan. Not for Everton (though technically I am not in the city they are based in any more) I support the PSG womens team.

    But what does that entail? Obviously I watch them every week without fail but I also delve deeper by talking to other fans, learning about the club and their history (the womens'' side not the men's as such) and realize that the team has 30-40 ultras who go to every game home and away and have done for over a decade.

    There has been a crassly tacked on addition to the ESL proposals about a womens league and the fans I spoke to said they cant afford to go to London or Stockholm or wherever every other week. How much of a fan would I be by saying "oh that's fine though I get to watch PSG vs Arsenal." Its bullshit.

    Anybody from anywhere in the world can be a proper fan of a club, that's not the issue, but to be a fan then you surely should get the ethos of the club and it's fans and actually care about that fanbase who goes week in and week out. If you don't then you are not a fan you are a consumer who only gives a toss about the football. I have seen sun reading tories being Liverpool fans for example, what the fuck is that all about? What's next racist St Pauli fans?

    Oh and by the way there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a football consumer, but they should have zero say on what happens to the clubs and the leagues because life altering changes to match going fans do not affect a consumer because they will just choose to watch something else.

    Which goes back to what I said originally, you don't get it because you are not able to get it as you don't experience it in the same way. It's no insult, far from it, it's just factual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Should be? Sure. But it is not. And it has not been for decades. That ship sailed in 1992.
    Maybe for the BIG SIX.

    You do know there are loads of clubs below that right? Big clubs, historic clubs, important clubs. The heart of their community in many cases. Not just in the UK but all through Europe.

    Screw them though. No global appeal.

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    I just like what happened with Wimbledon. The community started a new team when their one left for cash and they are now in the same league. Thats class. The beauty of the league isn't the international players it's the fact there really is a pyramid. It's the fact big teams can get relegated

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    Sounds like Chelsea are caving.

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    There is nothing about the Super League that stops that from happening in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Sounds like Chelsea are caving.
    City too

    EDIT: Atletico too.
    Last edited by _me; April 20th, 2021 at 2:24 PM.

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    Its dead in the water now surely with teams starting to pull out.

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    Going to be ironic when the 'Improved' Champions League has basically the same plan

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    If I was a fan of one of those clubs I would be fuming (and not just because it would make me a big meff).

    The clubs owners less than 24 hours ago decided that the ESL was the greatest thing in the history of anything ever. 24 hours later they are all pulling out as the fans didn't like it.

    What the fuck did they expect to happen? These are supposed to be legit businessmen.

    Know what's annoying me more now? The likes of Barcelona and Atletico saying they are in danger of going bust now etc, so fucking what? Sell some players like every other club on earth has to do. The utter brass neck of these pricks!

    Was reading about a Real Madrid fan before saying that he wants the ESL because their is no competition in La Liga and the kids don't care much about football right now because of it. I don't think he even grasped the concept that the league is like that because his club has flaunted the rules for years and created the disparity that he now wants to escape.

    This will be forgotten about now, "welcome back you naughty boys, love you".

    Fuck right off.

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    Holy shit Woodward might be resigning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Going to be ironic when the 'Improved' Champions League has basically the same plan
    2 wildcard positions. It's not the same. They may eventually increase that but its not the same hence why dortmund and Munich are able to support it

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    Also could be that Munich has made the Champions League 20 out of 21 seasons and 8 (about to be 9) German titles in a row with the current rules. They benefit from the status quo more than anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Also could be that Munich has made the Champions League 20 out of 21 seasons and 8 (about to be 9) German titles in a row with the current rules. They benefit from the status quo more than anyone.
    Bayern Munich are an extremely well run club with a fantastic business model. They are also the best supported club in Germany by a mile.

    The main reason why they have been so dominant is that they were the only major club before the 51 rule to have their shit together. Dortmund almost went bust and were actually save by Bayern Munich offering financial help, Moenchengladbach spent years chasing past glories and had major money issues before getting their new ground, Frankurt had massive debts going into the mid 2000s. VFB Stuttgart fell off, Dusseldorf and Kaiserslautern all but disappeared for a few years (Kaiserslautern are still down there).

    So whilst these clubs sent themselves into heavy debt chasing champions league aspirations Munich just carried on doing what they do. The only real challengers for them during this time were Wolfsburg, and Leverkusen who are both averagely supported works clubs who didn't have to worry about money that much and later on Hoffenheim who are a village club on steroids and RB Liepzig who are a special case.

    The implementation of the 51 rule has seen the likes of Dortmund Frankfurt and Moenchengladbach slowly claw their way back to a position where they can compete again and it will take a while to get there because Bayern had such a head start (by being smart) but they will do so and its a lot better than what their fate would have been. You only have to look at the likes of 1860 Munich to see how bad things can get without any control on these things.

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    All six English clubs have officially pulled out, Arsenal the only ones to offer any words of apology. This is one of the most bizarre episodes in the football world I can remember - if it was just an attempt to strongarm UEFA into changing the Champions League terms then it has made them look absolutely thick as shit as well as vile, soulless arseholes. A truly pathetic 48 hours for these clubs.

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    Liverpool’s statement is shocking. You can feel the resentment from FSG.

    What a crazy few days. Hopefully this episode has cost them a lot of their power and influence with UEFA. It says a lot that none of the 6 were willing to engage with the media or attempt to allay concerns. They must have known it wouldn’t be received well given that they tried to sneak it out late on Sunday night, but for them to cave so soon is hilarious. A complete PR disaster which shows just how disconnected they are from the businesses they run.

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    The government should pass 50 + 1 legislation for all football clubs now so this could never happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
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    Im never really sure why people think this is going to bother Boston fans. It’s not like he was a great player on a bad team. He won a World Series in Boston.


    In either case, not the thread for that conversation.


    Why would the government get involved in what football clubs could or couldn’t do? Genuinely curious.

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    They probably wouldn't and they probably shouldn't.

    If its going to be enforced it should be buy the league itself I think that's how it worked in Germany.

    The UK Government is over-reaching on this and on the European Super League it's got literally nothing to do with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Im never really sure why people think this is going to bother Boston fans. It’s not like he was a great player on a bad team. He won a World Series in Boston.


    In either case, not the thread for that conversation.


    Why would the government get involved in what football clubs could or couldn’t do? Genuinely curious.
    Because it does bother most Boston fans. They are still irate that FSG didn't just give him his money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caito View Post
    Why would the government get involved in what football clubs could or couldn’t do? Genuinely curious.
    Because football clubs are massively important community institutions which, as has been shown, cannot be trusted in private hands.

    As to why they would do it its because it will play well with focus groups which is the only thing these horrible cunts care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Winter on Twitter
    Lot of talk about sanctions for the six plotters. No to point deductions; that punishes players & fans who fought owners. Definitely remove arrogant old execs from committees; demand new faces who respect PL/CL/pyramid. Govt may demand fan on board. Nb the 6 booed when fans back.




    I guess some fans are more important than others...

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    I assume it is because we just has a group of violent people storm our Capital and attack policemen, but I am shocked by the level of support they have. I have zero patience for violence against innocent people because your feelings are hurt.

    They likely have CCTV footage of all of them; I would ban every single one of them from every football stadium in England.

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    I was only tracking it on social media but didn't look like much violence. Seemed like it was targeted at the football club.

    There's a demonstration at Roots Hall on Saturday ahead of our final game of the season. I hope it stops the game taking place. This action is the only language these owners understand.

    EDIT - I see two police officers were injured, one with a face injury after being hit by a bottle. That isn't cool. It doesn't undermine the action in the first place though. These clubs want everything to go back to normal and for people to just forget about all this.
    Last edited by Beefy; May 3rd, 2021 at 11:40 AM.

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    That is what the Trump people storming the capital said too…. It looked remarkably similar to me

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    As long as you deliberately ignore all context and focus entirely on the visual comparison, I suppose you could say there is a similarity. If you pay even the slightest bit of attention to context, no they aren't similar at all.

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    Mourinho off to Roma. That was fast. Did not see that coming.

    https://twitter.com/ASRomaEN/status/1389567974097530881

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    RIP Alan McLoughlin. One of my absolute favourites growing up, scored loads of important goals in a quality Pompey team in the early 90s. Stuck around as a lonely good player even when we were shit in the mid-late 90s. A master at arriving late in the box from midfield and burying headers. A great guy by all accounts and a brilliant expert commentator for the local radio during our Prem years.

    Deserving of his place in midfield alongside Lassana Diarra and Robert Prosinecki in my all-time Pompey XI (this is a highly prestigious accolade).

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    Well that was exciting.

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    Leeds matches are so much fun. VAR was shit though

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    It was more about the Championship and the relegation battle there.

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    I assume most of you have seen this before but it my first time I have seen it. I can never unsee it now.

    https://twitter.com/_andywalker_/sta...05004457832449

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    Fulham relegated. Man, that's a damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn shame.


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    I sure wouldn't want to be Richard Osman right now.

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