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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
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    You don't need to post then do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Do you still have faith in Arteta? Emery now has a better record than him, a manager who was universally shat upon. It was criminally easy for us yesterday. Pepe must at some point go down as one of the worst buys in PL history for the price you paid for him.

    It's such a strange season.

    Villa's last five games:

    SMASH Liverpool H
    BEAT Leicester A
    GET BATTERED BY LEEDS H
    Go 0-4 down to Southampton H
    BATTER Arsenal A

    I do have faith in him, although I think some of his decisions are a bit baffling. Why he doesn't play our best forward in the middle when we have a great left sided player (Saka) who can come in is very odd.

    I think he came into a very difficult situation and did a great job initially. Up to yesterday he had done a very good job organising a defence that was better than the sum of its parts. The signings this summer look good (bar William - was never sure about that one).

    What we are really crying out for is a good No 10 (yes I know we have Ozil but he isn't going to be picked for whatever reason). That's why it is a shame we didn't get Aouar who looks perfect for us.

    I think Pepe does have some talent he just isn't that consistent and for that price he should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    For all the talk of Arteta being CLEAR of Lampard he's still got to show some more.

    FA cup win is great but they've spent pretty big this summer. Frank has shown more imo
    Really? Chelsea have looked very leaky at the back. He has also been backed heavily in the transfer market - far more than Arteta has.

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    We were looking leaky but we've conceded 1 goal in the last 6 games. Silva and Mendy seem to make a huge difference at the back - Mendy's played 8 times so far and conceded just 2 goals. Silva is class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Really? Chelsea have looked very leaky at the back. He has also been backed heavily in the transfer market - far more than Arteta has.
    Last year he made the champions league without backing and losing their talisman. This year the backing so far is looking good.

    Arteta has been backed pretty well this year. 60m net in spend. Chelseas I think is 70m for the past 2 years.
    Arsenals I think is about 100m more for the past 2 years...

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-c...saison_id/2020

    Net spend can obviously be a bit misleading and Lampard has got a huge wedge of cash to spend this summer and no-one can deny that.

    His defence has been a bit shit at times but so has Artetas attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Not seven at least though.
    3-0 at home though haha

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    Prefer that to 7 2 away lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    3-0 at home though haha
    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Prefer that to 7 2 away lol
    Neither are great, are they boys?

    One good thing to take from yesterday is that Liverpool went on a great run of form after we embarrassed them, so there's hope for Arteta to take Arsenal similarly to the top of the table like you recently predicted.

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    Oh both are no doubt.

    But that’s the thing they won’t go on a run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post

    Villa's last five games:

    SMASH Liverpool H
    BEAT Leicester A
    GET BATTERED BY LEEDS H
    Go 0-4 down to Southampton H
    BATTER Arsenal A
    It’s just a game though. Rendering all that good work meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Neither are great, are they boys?

    One good thing to take from yesterday is that Liverpool went on a great run of form after we embarrassed them, so there's hope for Arteta to take Arsenal similarly to the top of the table like you recently predicted.
    We went on a good run of form because we’re absolutely brilliant and Klopp is a GOAT candidate manager. Arsenal won’t because, they’re shit. And Arteta is a camp & hoof fraud. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Oh both are no doubt.

    But that’s the thing they won’t go on a run.
    Based on what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Based on what?
    Erm consistency which you haven’t had in a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Erm consistency which you haven’t had in a long time
    You’re too nice, which is something all the Liverpool Fans on here down the years except for me and the original scouse Peter are guilty of. It’s sickening to read. Just be honest and tell him the reason Arsenal won’t go on a little run is because they’re fucking shite and Arteta will be sacked next summer when he comes 10th again.

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    On topic, Jude Bellingham called up to senior squad.
    Last edited by Pablo Diablo; November 10th, 2020 at 8:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    On topic, Jude Bellingham called up to senior squad.
    Will probably still get more chance than Grealish.
    Last edited by Pablo Diablo; November 10th, 2020 at 8:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Neither did you a few years back, but hopefully Arteta is building something. No reason we couldn't go on a run.
    Few years as in 4 or 5 before Klopp? As you know under Klopp we’ve been top 2 for most consistent team.

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    When Klopp took over you weren't top 2.

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    He knows mate that's why he asked if you meant before Klopp

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    So Iím pretty glad that was a ppv game Sunday night so I didnít have to watch it.
    If Arsenal are to bounce back from this like Liverpool did, and its not unfeasable, just not quite as likely, how they do it is the big question.
    Obviously actually scoring goals would help. Banging on about Ozil wonít as he isnít in the squad.
    So what do we change? It seems obvious to all of Arsenal Twitter we lack a creative link from midfield to attack. We are playing Auba out of position (even though he did well there previously), Pepe just isnít cutting it and not getting a chance to any way and Willian only made 2 forward passes in the Villa game. So they arenít working.
    Maybe a change of formation, we play with 3 up top but donít actually have the players to fit that imo.
    Maybe a partnership of Auba and Laccazete with someone in behind, Saka might even be shout for that position.

    Also the stubbornness needs to be knocked on the head, if it isnít working change it, believing in the process is only going to cut it for so long.

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    I think at this stage its worth trying 4-3-3. Hopefully we can keep some of the good defensive habits we have picked up, but can also free some of our attacking options.

    It just seems that going forward we need to be less rigid. Arteta wants to micromanage the team from the touchline. In terms of defending, nothing wrong with that. But going forward we seem to be too predictable. That's why I would pick Pepe over Willian. Pepe can be awful but he can also be brilliant and defenders don't know what he is going to do.

    I think he is also conservative in that he relies on experience a bit too much. Willian and Lacazette are in awful form - they need to be dropped. Xhaka is another one. Then there is David Luiz, who is great on the ball but an absolute liability. I would certainly be trying to give more minutes to Willock (who can break into the box), Saka and Nelson.

    We badly need a No.10 but that will have to wait until at least Jan. I think the following in a 4-3-3 formation would be something I would look at:-

    Leno

    Bellerin
    Gabriel
    Holding
    Tierney

    Partey
    Ceballos/Elneny (depending on the opposition)
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    Why you don't play players in their most dangerous positions i'll never know

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    Where would you play Gunnersaurus?

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    Is it the same guy or is this just how they're using mustafi now?

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    He'd actually be useful in that role.

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    See Clarke has resigned over his comments. Its more than saying coloured isn't it? I mean i saw there was some other issues but lead reporting is the coloured bit and I don't quite understand the strength of the reaction but maybe I need to educate myself...

    From the surface read I've done and I could be wrong it felt like clumsy language rather than mal intent but who knows

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    Yeah it was pretty awful. His supposed defence was that he had worked in the US and they were the terms used

    The FA, and particularly the executive are not fit for purpose. Having old white men composing the entire decision making body just wont wash anymore.

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    He was chatting a load of waffle. If the term 'coloured' was used in the US I would perhaps be willing to consider his defence for five seconds, but it isn't. People of colour and coloured might sound notionally similar but they are not the same thing, and claiming that 'people of colour' often in the US made him think 'coloured' was acceptable in the UK doesn't make any sense. If he'd said 'people of colour' because of his background in the US, it would have been a reasonable defence. But then it wouldn't have been an issue either, because 'people of colour' isn't viewed as offensive.

    It sounds like a relatively minor slip of the tongue and I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it, but if he's unaware of the connotations of 'coloured' or just unable to stop himself from saying it, then what business does he have heading a taskforce aimed at improving diversity and equality at the FA?

    I saw a few people defending him saying that 'coloured' being unacceptable is relatively new and he is from a different era; 1) that is horse shit, 'coloured' was unacceptable when I was at primary school, so he's at least thirty years out of date, and 2) even if it was an excuse, maybe, just maybe, having a white man in his 70s heading up this programme isn't a good idea.

    Like I said...an old boy saying coloured when he meant black isn't the worst thing in the world free of context. What it signifies about him, his position and the FA makes it a massive issue, and he had to go.
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    Liverpool having no luck with their Centre Backs. Shame.

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    England vs Scotland in the group. Grealish vs McGinn. So exciting.

    What is your England XI starting Euro 2021 as it stands?

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    Right now I think it'll be this

    Sterling - Kane - Sancho

    Mount
    Rice - Henderson

    Chilwell - Gomez - Maguire - TAA

    Pope


    But I would obviously love/need Super Jack to get in there.

    I'd love

    Sterling - Kane - Sancho

    Grealish

    Mount/Rice - Henderson

    Chilwell - Gomez - Coady - TAA

    Pope


    I know Rice and Mount are extremely different players but it depends completely on the opposition. The idea of Jack in a proper No.10 role would be ideal with the lethal talent in front of his incredible playmaking, drives forward and passing skills. However, the reality is that he's playing now in that same position that Sterling, Rashford, Greenwood covet, and I don't believe Southgate will pick him as first choice there no matter what - even if he keeps up the world-class form he has shown. It would literally take an injury to Rashford or Sterling to get him that starting spot, which is a shame. I also frankly don't know loads about Sancho. Always played decently and it's almost an assumption that he's going to start given he is the only one seemingly happy to come in from the right. Grealish on the left and Sterling on the right, if possible, would be delicious.

    We have never had the amount of talent in depth in midfield/attacking positions in my lifetime. We surely have to be among the actual favourites to win it next year. I have to hope that Southgate doesn't go too negative and cost us.

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    Can’t argue with either of those.
    If only we had some of the old CBs, it’s the one area we are lacking in, an Adams, Ferdinand, Terry type. Not just a bloke with a massive head.

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    Think it will be...

    Pickford

    Trippier - Gomez - Maguire - Chilwell

    Henderson - Rice

    Sterling - Mount - Rashford

    Kane


    I think it SHOULD be...


    Pope

    Walker - Gomez - Mings - Chilwell

    Ward-Prowse - Henderson

    Sterling - Grealish - Rashford

    Kane


    Like you say though I think the key is the depth now. With my preferred line up, you'd have the likes of Sancho, Mount, Foden, Calvert-Lewin and potentially Greenwood and Barnes coming off the bench if required.

    I think it's essential that one of Walker/Wan-Bissaka goes, as for all Trent's qualities he is not a good defender and against top sides deep in the competition where he can't get forward I think he would be found out massively. I have Ward-Prowse in because of his ability on dead balls which could be really important, but you could easily bring in Rice to shore things up. I've not included Bellingham in this because I've barely seen him play, presumably he is an option too.

    The defence is still the weak link, in that we have tons of options but they're all fairly average. Gomez was the one centre back I thought was actually good, then he went shit and now he's got a long term injury. Maguire, Coady, Mings, Dier, Keane, Dunk, Tarkowski...all as mediocre as each other. Same for the keepers really.

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    Do you not think he'll try 3 at the back as I don't really understand why he would be playing it now if he wasn't keen

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    Fuck knows tbh. It's a difficult one, I get why he wants three at the back when the defence is so ropey, but it does feel like he's packing the team with more average players and having to leave better ones on the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beer Monster View Post
    Liverpool having no luck with their Centre Backs. Shame.
    3rd major injury Gomez has had during England training, madness.

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    I see England failed to win a trophy again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    3rd major injury Gomez has had during England training, madness.
    He’s useless. No coincidence our defence became shit when Matip got injured and was out for a year, and Gomez came in. He was good about 3 years ago til Ben Mee broke his leg on purpose. I’m writing him off now. Don’t rate the player even though he’s still better than most of the other shite in the league. Obsessed with going away to England and getting himself injured, an offence punishable by death in my eyes, so to hell with him. Prefer Williams and Phillips after seeing them this month.

    I’m betting on Leicester beating us this week. Putting dough on it. We’ve got half a squad. Playing with about 5 players out of a squad of 25. It’s embarrassing for everyone else that we’re 1 point off 1st.

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    Really? Nah fella I rate him always have. I mean it’s unfortunate he keeps on getting injured training for England. Before lockdown in March and the season before he was very good and him and VVD where a perfect partnership.

    Matip I like but he plays 3 games and is out for a few weeks, can hardly say he’s reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Really? Nah fella I rate him always have. I mean it’s unfortunate he keeps on getting injured training for England. Before lockdown in March and the season before he was very good and him and VVD where a perfect partnership.

    Matip I like but he plays 3 games and is out for a few weeks, can hardly say he’s reliable.
    I didn’t say he was reliable, I said he is much better than Gomez. Remember that run to winning the Champions League in 2019 and that Champions League Final? Well forget about it with Moura, Son, Dele Alli and Kane et al running at Gomez for 90 minutes. We’d have fucking lost, if Matip didn’t play. Then the 4-0 with Barcelona, Messi and Coutinho up against Gomez! he’s bang average.

    Unfortunate my fucking arse dude. He’s obsessed with the idea of going away to England and getting injured. So is Henderson, Robertson’s done himself in and Salah caught Covid seemingly on purpose by attending some big silly wedding in Egypt. The squad aren’t arsed about this season, and we’ll be rewarded by doing an Arsenal and losing to Leicester at home this week.

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    GET HIM OUT SO HE CAN REST A BIT FFS YOU'RE GONNA KNACKER THE POOR LAD OUT SOUTHGATE FFS

    He and McGinn playing three straight games for their countries is going to fucking kill our midfield. Brighton (H) next up - whilst on paper this looks winnable, not relying on the opposition to attack and for us to counter will be a big ask. No wonder we are 5/4 to win despite our form.

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    Bonkers stat of the day about Villa.

    We have 15pts this season. From the same corresponding fixtures last season (replacing Fulham with Norwich), we had four points. So we are 11pts up on the same fixtures as last season. That is brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Fuck knows tbh. It's a difficult one, I get why he wants three at the back when the defence is so ropey, but it does feel like he's packing the team with more average players and having to leave better ones on the bench.
    I think he'll be tempted to go half way with it.

    Dier or Rice in the 3 so you can flex to a 4 with them in midfield if needed mid-game. Chilwell and TAA wingbacks. Does he bring Kyle Walker as a 3rd CB and to cover RB? Probably not in my book. Reece James and maybe Maitland-Niles.

    Henderson/Mount in the middle and then 2 of Grealish/Sterling/Sancho/Rashford with Kane up top.

    I'm expecting a little that the squad size may be increased for euros due to the fixture pile up but otherwise

    Pickford, Pope, Henderson
    TAA, Chilwell, Maguire, Mings, Coady, Dier, James, Saka
    Henderson, Rice, Mount, Ward-Prowse, Grealish, Maitland-Niles, Foden
    Sterling, Sancho, Kane, Rashord,DCL

    That's 23 and is leaving out so many big names. Walker, CHO, Greenwood, Ings, Bellingham, Abraham, Maddison, Barkley

    That's before you even look at Bamford, Phillips, RLC, Tomori, Tarkowski, Lampty?

    I could see Maitland-Niles not making it and same with Ward-Prowse. Calvert-Lewin I think makes it ahead of Abraham and others

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    Yeah it's a funny one. Right now there are at least 25 or 26 players that I think will *definitely* be in the squad, which obviously isn't possible.

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    Grealish is going to break a metatarsal as well.

    IT"S WRITTEN IN THE STARS

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    If I was picking right now I'd go...

    Goalkeepers
    Nick Pope, Jordan Pickford, Dean Henderson

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    Jordan Henderson, Declan Rice, Harry Winks, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish, James Ward-Prowse

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    Harry Kane, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    Grealish is going to break a metatarsal as well.

    IT"S WRITTEN IN THE STARS
    Why would you say this

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    Its England innit

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    My jinxing worked again!!! Happy with that. Battered Leicester (who were top going into this weekend) 3-0 despite having 10 players out injured. Always more fun to win when everyone’s written you off before the game.

    Not getting carried away yet though. Champions League on Wednesday and then we’ve been fucked with the 12.30pm kickoff away at Brighton. No way we’re winning that. Take a draw, there, and hope Chelsea do us a favour and beat Spurs.... Do us another favour... like when they bent over backwards to beat Man City at Stamford Bridge on the 25th of June 2020 to hand us the Premier League Title.

    Worth pointing out that it’s only due to match-fixing we’re joint top, not top. 2 points fucked out of us at Woodison in stoppage time, for a perfectly good goal. Fuck off. Still though, if we do keep winning, only serves to make my 10/10 non stop fun & games that more enjoyable.
    Last edited by Pablo Diablo; November 24th, 2020 at 8:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underscore_ View Post
    My jinxing worked again!!! Happy with that. Battered Leicester (who were top going into this weekend) 3-0 despite having 10 players out injured. Always more fun to win when everyone’s written you off before the game.
    The only person who wrote you off was you!

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    That's his narrative, yes.

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    Gonna be the narrative to end all narratives if Liverpool sensationally retain the title with 10 players out injured, match fixing working against us, Tramp FC deliberately crippling our players every Merseyside derby, never get a penalty, our opposition immune to Red Cards, the Referees/VAR awarding penalties outside the box and turning every 50/50 challenge into a 0/100 challenge cos we never get them. I mean if we do retain it you might as well retire the competition, name us permanent English Champions then award us a full size gold actual Premier League trophy instead of a tinpot 6 inch tall gold replica. It’ll be the greatest title win anyone’s ever seen or ever will see. Everyone knows it.

    We definitely won’t do it with all that stuff working against us. Do our best to get Top 4 and go again next season with a full squad and some fans in Anfield. Winning the league in these circumstances with our injuries and everything set up and rigged against us has never been done before, you’d simply have never seen anything so amazing. I mean yeah sure I hope it does, but I’m a realist, it won’t happen.
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    Maradona has died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underscore_ View Post
    Gonna be the narrative to end all narratives if Liverpool sensationally retain the title with 10 players out injured, match fixing working against us, Tramp FC deliberately crippling our players every Merseyside derby, never get a penalty, our opposition immune to Red Cards, the Referees/VAR awarding penalties outside the box and turning every 50/50 challenge into a 0/100 challenge cos we never get them. I mean if we do retain it you might as well retire the competition, name us permanent English Champions then award us a full size gold actual Premier League trophy instead of a tinpot 6 inch tall gold replica. It’ll be the greatest title win anyone’s ever seen or ever will see. Everyone knows it.

    We definitely won’t do it with all that stuff working against us. Do our best to get Top 4 and go again next season with a full squad and some fans in Anfield. Winning the league in these circumstances with our injuries and everything set up and rigged against us has never been done before, you’d simply have never seen anything so amazing. I mean yeah sure I hope it does, but I’m a realist, it won’t happen.
    Your favourites to win the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underscore_ View Post
    Gonna be the narrative to end all narratives if Liverpool sensationally retain the title with 10 players out injured, match fixing working against us, Tramp FC deliberately crippling our players every Merseyside derby, never get a penalty, our opposition immune to Red Cards, the Referees/VAR awarding penalties outside the box and turning every 50/50 challenge into a 0/100 challenge cos we never get them. I mean if we do retain it you might as well retire the competition, name us permanent English Champions then award us a full size gold actual Premier League trophy instead of a tinpot 6 inch tall gold replica. It’ll be the greatest title win anyone’s ever seen or ever will see. Everyone knows it.

    We definitely won’t do it with all that stuff working against us. Do our best to get Top 4 and go again next season with a full squad and some fans in Anfield. Winning the league in these circumstances with our injuries and everything set up and rigged against us has never been done before, you’d simply have never seen anything so amazing. I mean yeah sure I hope it does, but I’m a realist, it won’t happen.
    Nah, you only get a gold trophy if you are unbeaten

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Maradona has died.
    Pele was miles better than him. Although Maradona was always really under the skin of England Fans and ex players/pundits, so he deserves a Rest in Pearce for that. That hand of god was great. Stopped England winning it. Thank god for that. It’s a major mission of mine to never see England win a fucking thing because I enjoy the agony of England Fans as they fail every time. 2018 was incredible. Went sick when Croatia buried them in the 120th minute of the World Cup semi final

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