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    Remember when you thought Blackburn had a better squad than Arsenal in this thread Da Man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by da_man View Post
    Wosky, has Barry Bannan won his Ballon D'or yet?
    More likely to than Jon Stead scoring 50 international goals for England

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Remember when you thought Blackburn had a better squad than Arsenal in this thread Da Man?
    Pedersen, Bellamy, Tugay, Friedel.... you say it as if I wasn't correct.

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    Routledge did turn out better than Young just ask United fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da_man View Post
    Pedersen, Bellamy, Tugay, Friedel.... you say it as if I wasn't correct.
    Tugay

    Think that was the same season that we smashed you 6-2 and Cesc nutmegged Savage

    Great times

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    Yeovil vs Haringey chucked out after racist abuse.

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    What a terrible result and display last night.

    The Ozil situation is really odd, why would you not even have him on the bench last night? Tierney not starting was another head scratcher. Pepe needs a break to get some confidence.

    The whole team looks terrified of losing the ball and that has to come from instructions from the manager. If he doesn't get us back in the CL and playing better he is toast.

    Look forward to Rosk/Mik saying about Wenger in etc

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    Should never have treated Wenger like absolute shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    What a terrible result and display last night.

    The Ozil situation is really odd, why would you not even have him on the bench last night? Tierney not starting was another head scratcher. Pepe needs a break to get some confidence.

    The whole team looks terrified of losing the ball and that has to come from instructions from the manager. If he doesn't get us back in the CL and playing better he is toast.

    Look forward to Rosk/Mik saying about Wenger in etc
    You could cheer yourself up by watching Spurs tonight.

    I predict a scrap, bit like Batty and Dyer back in the day.

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    There we go.

    For the record, even though it isn't going great with Emery - it was well past the time that Wenger should have gone when he did go.

    You can see the difference off the pitch, the last two summer transfer windows have been largely excellent. We have brought in young promising players and shipped out a lot of deadwood (Mustafi aside). We just need to get McGinn now for our midfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    You could cheer yourself up by watching Spurs tonight.

    I predict a scrap, bit like Batty and Dyer back in the day.
    Was it not Bowyer and Dyer?

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    That does seem more likely, given that Bowyer is a massive cunt.

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    McGinn would only leave us to go to a big team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    That does seem more likely, given that Bowyer is a massive cunt.
    I think Batty was with Sherwood. I can understand that one as well.

    Nope was Le Saux actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    McGinn would only leave us to go to a big team.
    Exactly.

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    So you're going for Niall McGinn??

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    I have a small bet on Red Star tonight.

    So a draw it will be. Fucks me from both sides, that.

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    The odds on Red Star getting a result are a bit mad considering how bad we've been recently. They must be absolute dog shit.

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    Harry Kane needs to step it up. Should be bullying teams like this. If he wants to be a genuine captain and leader needs to drag them through a few games for real

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    He’s dragged them through seasons. They’ve been a one player team in denial for years. Now he’s not playing so well, they aren’t doing so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    He’s dragged them through seasons. They’ve been a one player team in denial for years. Now he’s not playing so well, they aren’t doing so well.
    Don't really agree but if it's really genuinely to be his team he has to stick it on his back when things aren't going well. Good start to that yesterday he needs to continue it in the league for a bit to give the rest of them some time to find themselves and their form again.

    If he really wants to be THAT LEVEL

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    To get to that level he needs to leave Spurs and go to a big side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    To get to that level he needs to leave Spurs and go to a big side.
    No he doesn't. Spurs are capable of challenging and he can be the absolute top dog there.

    Where else does he go that cements a real legacy? Madrid or Barca? Who knows how the fuck that would turn out?

    Bayern? People would downplay anything won there same as PSG. Italy?

    Unless you're suggesting he goes replace Aguero at City?

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    City, Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Juventus to name 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    City, Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Juventus to name 5.
    As I've just said

    Bayern - Not going to get credit for winning Bundesliga with Bayern
    Barca/Real - Possible but it could eat him alive
    Juventus - Winning Serie A with Juve won't get him much credit either

    If he goes to City and scores as many goals but they win the league is he suddenly on another level. Don't buy it. Did Robin Van Persie go to another level when he joined United?

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    Go to Man Utd and win the League and he's God. Easy.

    However, Manchester United are in decline.

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    He can win the Champions League with any of those 5 clubs. He wont with Spurs.

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    Deary me.

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    Wowwee 9-0!

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    Emery out trending then.

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    What was that with Xhaka?

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    He told the cunt fans to fuck off.

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    Nice tackle by Guendouzi btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    He told the cunt fans to fuck off.
    He deserved that he has been terrible for a long, long time. That was coming.

    And yes Emery out.

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    First Wenger is the problem. Then it's Emery. Then it's Xhaka. Maybe the fans are the problem.

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    You're right the club should just play down the park every week, it will all be fine then.

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    Straight after, they were chanting for Ozil, after months of booing and taking the piss out of him. What the fuck is wrong with you people seriously. Make another channel about your fans why don't you.

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    Emery isn't even putting the guy on the bench, absolutely ridiculous.

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    So you boo when Xhaka plays. And you boo when Ozil plays, but also when he isn't on the bench. What don't you boo?

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    Was Ozil booed when he played?

    Xhaka has had a series of terrible displays, yet he hasn't been dropped. That is the reason there. A lot of fans understand that Ozil doesn't fit how the manager wants to play (lol) but to not even have him on the bench? Very silly.

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    He has no future at the club due to his extraordinary salary which impacts the manager ability to freshen the squad. Emery is clearly sending a message to him that he needs to move on for the sake of his career

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    He was booed off in the Europa League final

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    He has no future at the club due to his extraordinary salary which impacts the manager ability to freshen the squad. Emery is clearly sending a message to him that he needs to move on for the sake of his career
    At this rate Emery could be gone first though. Like Mourinho and Pogba.

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    On another point, the ref was beyond terrible yesterday. Zaha looked for the penalty and there was never any foul for the 3rd goal, absolute joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    On another point, the ref was beyond terrible yesterday. Zaha looked for the penalty and there was never any foul for the 3rd goal, absolute joke.
    And Guendouzi should have been sent off yeh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    At this rate Emery could be gone first though. Like Mourinho and Pogba.
    So you want him still at the club and playing or is it that you want to play a sub 350k a week?

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    I think he should at least be on the bench as an option to bring on. If they can move him on and get a cheaper replacement, great but we don't have many players in his position at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    He has no future at the club due to his extraordinary salary which impacts the manager ability to freshen the squad. Emery is clearly sending a message to him that he needs to move on for the sake of his career
    I never understand how the threat of "You will keep get this giant check every week and never have to even try" is motivation for a player to leave. Is that not everyone's fantasy?

    If you want someone to leave, you make them do extra work, not less. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    I never understand how the threat of "You will keep get this giant check every week and never have to even try" is motivation for a player to leave. Is that not everyone's fantasy?

    If you want someone to leave, you make them do extra work, not less. Right?
    Not really. This isn't some dead end office job and even then if you want someone to leave put them in a position were they feel unfulfilled and lacking of intrinsic drive and alignment of their aspirations and their employer.

    Ozil should want to play and actually be active as his career ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    I think he should at least be on the bench as an option to bring on. If they can move him on and get a cheaper replacement, great but we don't have many players in his position at the moment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    So much dead wood that needs clearing out.

    Ozil
    Mustafi
    Xhaka
    Miki
    Kolasinac
    Kos

    As well as Wellbeck, Cech and Ramsey leaving. Big summer ahead.

    I think Nelson will be in the squad next season, might be too early for Smith Rowe
    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Wenger definitely fronted a lot of that heat, for sure. Owners aren't putting a penny in, and we have not been in the CL for 3 seasons, guess that has impacted the bottom line significantly.

    A lot of wages has been freed up already by Cech, Ramsey, Wellbeck and Liechsteiner leaving - though moving on Ozil would make a huge difference.

    I saw Torreira has been linked with Milan. That would be a shame, he has looked very promising. Hopefully we get at least £50m+ that we can reinvest if we do sell him.
    Dead weight who would make a huge difference if he could be moved on.

    Manager drops him to try and send the message his time is up.

    *Complains*

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    Yeah as I said earlier, if we could have moved him on and replaced him then great. As we didn't, may as well use him from the bench at least.

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    As I said Emery is clearly sending a message to him that he needs to move on for the sake of his career. The message isn't as strong if he's on the bench and playing regularly is it

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    You don't think not starting him in a team bereft of creativity is not message enough? Unfortunately we need him as an option at this stage.

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    Well, we have a similar situation at Spurs. We are playing Eriksen and I wish we fucking weren't. And I feel like we do have other options.

    Would you expect Ozil to offer much if he was picked?

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    Far be it from me to compliment an Arsenal player but Guendouzi is the bollocks. Superb footballer and an absolute cynical shithouse.

    Re. Xhaka I'm not sure booing him is really fair. He isn't lazy, he isn't underperforming...he just isn't very good. He works his balls off every week from what I can see, and from what I've read he is a real leader off the pitch in terms of making sure everyone understands what is expected of them. If someone gives it everything but just isn't up to scratch, boo the manager for picking him.

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    He's a modern day Robbie Savage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Well, we have a similar situation at Spurs. We are playing Eriksen and I wish we fucking weren't. And I feel like we do have other options.

    Would you expect Ozil to offer much if he was picked?
    I think he could do something if we need a goal. We don't have a lot of creativity in midfield. Cazorla is long gone, Ramsey left and Ceballos is still settling in. I think he should be an option to come on and create something if we need a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Far be it from me to compliment an Arsenal player but Guendouzi is the bollocks. Superb footballer and an absolute cynical shithouse.

    Re. Xhaka I'm not sure booing him is really fair. He isn't lazy, he isn't underperforming...he just isn't very good. He works his balls off every week from what I can see, and from what I've read he is a real leader off the pitch in terms of making sure everyone understands what is expected of them. If someone gives it everything but just isn't up to scratch, boo the manager for picking him.
    Agree, the manager should take most of the heat for it. Where Xhaka is at fault is walking off the pitch when we needed a goal, and then reacting to the fans because of it.

    He is simply too slow for this league, I think he would probably do well somewhere like Italy where the pace is slower.

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    He's a modern day Robbie Savage.
    Harsh, Xhaka can actually pass.

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    I was referring to his first edit about Guendouzi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Far be it from me to compliment an Arsenal player but Guendouzi is the bollocks. Superb footballer and an absolute cynical shithouse.

    Re. Xhaka I'm not sure booing him is really fair. He isn't lazy, he isn't underperforming...he just isn't very good. He works his balls off every week from what I can see, and from what I've read he is a real leader off the pitch in terms of making sure everyone understands what is expected of them. If someone gives it everything but just isn't up to scratch, boo the manager for picking him.
    He got booed for strolling off the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    I was referring to his first edit about Guendouzi
    Even more outrageous

    I love him, he is a rare cynical bastard which we have been badly missing for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_foley View Post
    Not really. This isn't some dead end office job and even then if you want someone to leave put them in a position were they feel unfulfilled and lacking of intrinsic drive and alignment of their aspirations and their employer.

    Ozil should want to play and actually be active as his career ends.
    I would get that at 25 or if you never won anything. But Ozil has already won everything and is at the backend of his career. Personally, I would be very happy to just be collecting paychecks at his stage of career. Of course, I would also be happy to be doing at 25 and never winning anything.

    I have always said to _me, the best job in all of sports in the backup GK (or backup quarterback) to a world-class player. No expectations and no pressures. Sounds pretty good…

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    Who’s that back up Spurs keeper? Fella was on fire.

    Mad start to the season for Spurs & Arsenal to both be falling apart at the same time, funny like.

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    Gazzaniga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Who’s that back up Spurs keeper? Fella was on fire.

    Mad start to the season for Spurs & Arsenal to both be falling apart at the same time, funny like.
    I keep waiting for you lot to drop off. Just isn't happening. Hopefully Man City can stop you again like last season.

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    Haha. You know you want us to win the league mate, admit it. Boss manger who everyone likes, done our transfers the right way and playing great footy.

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    Sorry mate but no. I can discount the Man City title wins as they are basically the equivalent of a sprinter taking steroids so to me it doesn't really count.

    I cannot stand your fans (exceptions here of course ) and they will be even more unbearable if you win the league. Klopp is also an annoying dickhead.

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    Yeah, I'm not a Klopp fan either. As in, just him. Can't deny the job he's doing or the brilliant football they play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    He got booed for strolling off the pitch.
    Doesn't justify the reaction though, surely. And even if it does, I don't think it's then fair to get on his back for reacting to it.

    I dunno if I'm just getting old or what, but does anyone else get a little bit annoyed/sad when old records get broken? Like a little bit of my childhood has gone now that United-Ipswich is no longer the standalone biggest win of all time. I can remember exactly where I was when that game was played, it's such a vivid memory, and now it doesn't quite mean as much. Same with Fowler's hat trick against Arsenal, it was one of those things that seemed like it would stand forever, then one random lunchtime in a game I don't even remember, Mane beats it. And now that Fowler record is an irrelevance, likely to be forgotten over time as it disappears from the record books.

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    It sounds like you need a hug, Simon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Every time the individual post count record is broken on here, it makes me sad.

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    Football peaked in the 95-96 season I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Doesn't justify the reaction though, surely. And even if it does, I don't think it's then fair to get on his back for reacting to it.
    He brought it on himself by his own actions, which is more than justification for me. There was no need for him to stroll off when they were in that position, it's an own goal on his behalf.

    The same thing happens at every ground up and down the country every week. It's more noticeable in a big stadium, and it's way more noticeable when the player digs his heels in and starts stoking the crowd when he's in the wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Sorry mate but no. I can discount the Man City title wins as they are basically the equivalent of a sprinter taking steroids so to me it doesn't really count.

    I cannot stand your fans (exceptions here of course ) and they will be even more unbearable if you win the league. Klopp is also an annoying dickhead.
    One of them about Klopp you love him managing your team. To think you should’ve gone all out to get him when he was available.

    Our positions would be reversed.
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    Oh, of course I would love him at Arsenal. One of those guys who if he is your manager you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Football peaked in the 95-96 season I reckon.
    I’d certainly agree with that.

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    Yeah 95-96 sounds about right. Everything up to the year Ronaldo signed, I think that's the year the beauty just began to slightly fade. I still love it obviously, but I don't look back on anything from the past 15 years or so with anything like the same fondness I have for those early years.

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    Euro '96. Good times. Sitting there with my Uncle, England against Spain, and him supporting Spain. He always was a prick.

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    Is he a Scot or sumat?

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    Bulgaria got fined 66 grand btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Is he a Scot or sumat?
    Ireland. Living and working here though. Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Yeah 95-96 sounds about right. Everything up to the year Ronaldo signed, I think that's the year the beauty just began to slightly fade. I still love it obviously, but I don't look back on anything from the past 15 years or so with anything like the same fondness I have for those early years.
    Is was that sweet spot of most teams still had some local lads in but also two or three foreign players and the majority of those were superstars (Bergkamp, Cantona, Zola etc). The money wasn't completely obscene, TV didn't dictate everything and ticket prices were still quite reasonable.

    Also has still the greatest game in Premier League history. COLLYMOOOOOREEEEEE!

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    COLLLYMORE CLOSING IIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    COLLLYMORE CLOSING IIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!
    Overrated IMO, great game but not the best ever.



    This one had EVERYTHING. The aggro in the tunnel before kick off. Some fabulous goals. Some dreadful defending. Silvestre going mad and headbutting Ljungberg for no reason. O'Shea scoring that goal. O'Shea acting like that goal was something he does all the time. Arsenal getting beat. Just perfect.

    This one is an underrated gem as well, maybe because it was before football completely dominated the country like it did by the time of the Newcastle/Liverpool game. Some really fantastic goals.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bZck78ilxQ

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    The last great Arsenal/United game

    Even though we lost, an incredible game. The combination of Chelsea coming through and Keane and Vieria leaving diluted it.

    Back in the day those games were stomach churning matches, on the day of them you could think of nothing else. As an Arsenal fan, for a decade you knew that these games would probably decide the title, there was no bigger game, not even the Derby.

    After the 99 Semi Final I smashed up a garden chair at my parents house. Didn't go down well. Hard to believe I know.

    My favourite Spurs game during that period was the Fa Cup game v Man City. You know the one Simon

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    What is it about night games that just makes them better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    The last great Arsenal/United game

    Even though we lost, an incredible game. The combination of Chelsea coming through and Keane and Vieria leaving diluted it.

    Back in the day those games were stomach churning matches, on the day of them you could think of nothing else. As an Arsenal fan, for a decade you knew that these games would probably decide the title, there was no bigger game, not even the Derby.

    After the 99 Semi Final I smashed up a garden chair at my parents house. Didn't go down well. Hard to believe I know.

    My favourite Spurs game during that period was the Fa Cup game v Man City. You know the one Simon
    Almost all of the most.memorable Spurs games are defeats, mostly humiliating ones like that.

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    Look at all you young uns thinking the mid 90s was a golden period.

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    Aye, My golden years were before I was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    Look at all you young uns thinking the mid 90s was a golden period.
    Let me guess, mid 80s for you? How old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    What is it about night games that just makes them better?
    Yup. 100%.

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    God Mustafi is shite.

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    Going to end up 5-5 this then straight to pens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    Going to end up 5-5 this then straight to pens.
    Nailed it.

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    MENTAL GAME

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    JP wishes all those goals were ruled out.

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    What an insane game that was.

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    Xhaka released a statement


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    I think thats good because this thing about he needs to apologise can go away and fuck. Cheering that he's being subbed off etc is a dick move and just shite energy for the club.

    We have fans cheering Roos in a similar way when he catches the ball. Ignorant shite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Xhaka released a statement

    He seems to be conflating people booing him off for leaving the field slowly and playing badly with trolls online who threaten his family. Pretty different really.

    Barely an apology

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