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    I swear every goal he scores seems to be exactly the same.

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    Put some cash on over 2.5 goals in this. Fingers crossed. Can't believe how poor cech has been for so long

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    Would have sacked ozil off

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    So ummmm, Martin Glenn eh?

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    No place for political symbols in football except for the ones that the tabloids told us to keep front and centre. Got you.

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    I liked it when he started talking about ISIS and Nazi symbols in the same breath as Pep supporting Catalan independence.

    - - - Updated - - -

    And who the fuck is wearing Robert Mugabe on their kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    The man is fucking banana
    They lost again over the weekend. 4 losses in a row. It would be incredible if they threw this away - big game tomorrow against Dulwich.

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    Hope he just wears a fucking yellow jumper and does a big exaggerated wink to the camera

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    God this united team doesn't look like a happy bunch

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    Sometimes it's as if they haven't met until a few hours before the game. Has Jose just completely lost interest in the league now that City are unstoppable? It's amazing to think of where this team would be without De Gea.

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    Bit of cash on a lukaku goal and torn between wanting to win that and hoping they get beat hehe

    Lukaku looks confused as fuck as to what he's meant to be doing. Wants to drop deep and then sees oh shit Sanchez is here oh fuck and pogba

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    That is proper jammy SOF!

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    That right back though has had a brilliant game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That is proper jammy SOF!
    Haha if he scores a header I get another 50 quid

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    That equaliser has made Palace drop back five places on the league table. This season is mad.

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    Oh fuck. What a way to win the match.

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    That was so undeserved. I don't know where its going wrong here. I can't fault the team selection. Can't fault the substitutions as they were all positive and showed Jose went all out for the win.
    The players just dont look like they know each other. As if they don't train together and don't have anything preplanned ahead of the game. None of the passing moves looks like something they've been practised beforehand. It's like 11 players who've just gone out there for the first time, trying to figure things out as they go along.

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    Some hit by Matic though.

    Right now and it is early but Sanchez looks like a complete ego buy and rashford looks like he needs something to go right for him sooner than later

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    It's a real shame that Palace didn't get anything from the game after the effort they put in. At least Utd picked up in the second half, but they could relieve a lot of pressure on themselves by starting with a proper game plan and not being so pedestrian in the early going.

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    Sanchez put in one of the worst performances (from a good player) I have ever seen tonight. He was awful. All the worst parts of his latter days at Arsenal, none of the sudden brilliance.

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    I've tried to look for excuses to defend Pogba but I'm running out of ideas now. How did this guy get into the FIFA Team of the Year a few years ago?
    It's starting to seem like he needs to play alongside two really good midfielders (not just one), before he starts to become useful to anyone. People at the start of the season were talking about how adding Matic to the team will free Pogba and let him bring his A game. Pogba actually needs another hard working midfielder in there to completely take away all of his positional and defensive responsibilities because he himself can't be trusted to do anything besides pick out passes.
    I guess it makes sense how he was able to shine at Juve when he had Pirlo and Vidal alongside him.

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    First half Pogba gave the ball away virtually every time he tried even the most basic of passes, it was hard to watch.

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    So playing Fifa 17 and in Man City squad I notice a GK called Rulli with a 82 overall rating and I have never heard of him, So I google him (as you do) And the deal to sign him and send him back to his previous club is so convoluted

    https://www.mcfcwatch.com/2016/07/20...eronimo-rulli/

    Frankly I didn't know part ownership of players was a thing in England, Shows my ignorance I guess.

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    So seen Sanchez Watt trending on twitter and was like as I have not heard anything of him in 5 years or so, And here we are with 17.5k tweets.

    Anyway here is the story.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...-watt-12140356

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    Klopp out.

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    Rashford in.

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    https://twitter.com/crlfc74/status/972448967853268992

    Just a sample of why Tyler is trending on the twittah amongst the RAWK types.


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    Massive trouble at West Ham, G & S had to leave their directors box for safety reasons after loads of fans congregated near it.

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    Moyes and Pardew fighting tooth and nail for the shittest manager of the decade award. Moyes going for 2 relegations in a row, Pards trying to get 2 teams relegated in one season.

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    2-0 is a major kindness to Palace, this should've been 5 or 6 by now.

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    So what happened at West Ham today? What kind of shit sideline security is that?

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    Stwards are generally shit from personal experience. They either over-police minor shit or miss the real shit that's going on. I once hung my jacket over a banner at my local club and the stewards were like "Oh no you can't do that, it covers up the advertising!" Like part of a jacket hanging over is going to make people miss a big long banner that says Scottish and Southern Energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    So what happened at West Ham today? What kind of shit sideline security is that?
    There is a great documentary called Green Street, It will tell you everything you need to know about West Ham fans.

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    Looking forward to seeing a load of shite players get capped tonight

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    I'm watching Leeds Rhinos/Castleford in Super League instead.

    Or Maybe WrestleMania XXX.

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    Bring back Carson and Huddz I say.

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    Bring back the NUGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK Blue View Post
    Bring back the NUGE.
    Well he averages 10 goals every ninety minutes for England so it seems foolish not to. Franny Jeffers averages two goals every ninety minutes as well - that's eleven goals more or less guaranteed, every game.

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    When I worked in Birmingham a couple of years ago I was sat next to the department who looked after the pensions for the PFA, all pro footballer pensions basically. They used to have an irate Francis Jeffers calling up on a daily basis. Not exactly sure what the problem was.

    Eric Djemba-Djemba also used to phone up in tears absolutely desperate for his pension savings. Footballers used to be able to claim their pension benefits at 35 but it's changed to 55 now. Poor Eric.

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    Jeffers will have fucked his wages, he was a massive gambler wasn't he?

    Much less interesting story but I work with Brighton left back Markus Suttner's wife. She is nice. Told you it wasn't interesting.

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    That does ring a bell.

    I suspect he wanted to transfer to a dodgy scheme to get early access to the funds and was denied.

    Crazy how people who have earned so much can still get into financial difficulty. Gambling will do it.

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    I used to think that, but I suppose they live within their means like the rest of us, paying a mortgage just like us but on a much more expensive house - if that money is no longer coming in and the house isn't paid off, they're fucked just like we would be. The sensible thing to do would be to buy a smaller house outright, but that's not how young people think, let alone high-profile, competitive, ego-driven and occasionally not all that intelligent footballers.

    It's why I can understand footballers who get upset about "only" being paid 100k a week or whatever - they're still keeping up with the Jones', just at a much higher level, and if all your mates have got million-pound cars and yours is only worth 700k, you're going to want that pay rise. They don't live in the same world as us, so it's unreasonable to think that they would have the same frames of reference when it comes to money.
    Last edited by Simon; March 23rd, 2018 at 7:57 AM.

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    Sure people will often spend whatever they earn, sometimes to extremes. We are all essentially trained to be materialistic from a young age. But it is often things like gambling and drugs/alcohol that results in people spending what they don't have and that's what causes real financial hardship.

    Gambling is the killer. It would be far quicker to gamble away a million pounds than to drink it away, and far less fun.

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    And on that note I'm looking forward to seeing my accumulator come in later while necking a few cans and smoking a fat doobie.

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    Ibrahimovic has taken out a full-page spread in the LA Times welcoming himself to the Galaxy

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    Excellent.

    I've genuinely quite enjoyed watching MLS whenever I've had it on.

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    I'm biased but MLS is one of the most entertaining leagues in the world.

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    How does Paul Smyth not play more for qpr. Dynamic player

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    Ray Wilkins has died.

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    I think that was football heritage.

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    Astonishing decision not to give a penalty for that foul on Aguero. That might actually be the worst decision of all time.

    Herrera is such a Mourinho player. Absolute shitbag.

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    'Liverpool's Egyptian forward Mohamed Salah, 25, says winning the Champions League is more important to him than finishing as the Premier League's top scorer and claiming the Golden Boot. (Guardian)'

    Top notch journalism there.

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    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43788803

    I find it interesting and noticeable that at no point in the statement does UEFA say the Michael Oliver made the correct call in awarding the penalty or giving the red card. Seems like that would have been a super easy sentence to include to help squash the controversy.

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    Whether the call was correct or not though is somewhat irrelevant. That abuse wouldn't be justified if it had been a bad call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Whether the call was correct or not though is somewhat irrelevant. That abuse wouldn't be justified if it had been a bad call.
    Agree the quality of the call doesn't justify the abuse.

    I have just been looking for some referees/professional organizations to back up Oliver and have been surprised by the lack I can find. Then I saw that and it was another place where no one in charge says "Michael Oliver made the correct call." It seems odd that no one will say that from UEFA. IMO that should have been first on the list to kill the controversy.

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    Well, it wasn't the right call.

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    Well, it wasn't the right call.
    I agree. That is why I keep noticing that no one is saying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurley View Post
    Well, it wasn't the right call.
    I know 'attempted Slingblade' isn't specified in the laws of the game as a foul, but I'm willing to give Oliver the benefit of the doubt in his decision making.

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    It was a really obvious foul. Juventus have done an excellent job in kicking up such a fuss that it seems like a controversial decision. Clear penalty, Oliver's only mistake was not sending Benatia off too, as it was deliberate. Buffon should get a lengthy ban covering whatever he does next (assuming he stays in football).

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    'Liverpool's Egyptian forward Mohamed Salah, 25, says winning the Champions League is more important to him than finishing as the Premier League's top scorer and claiming the Golden Boot. (Guardian)'

    Top notch journalism there.
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    Is this Salah season the greatest ever by a Premier League player? What is the consensus before this season as the top 2 or 3? Shearer in 96 and Ronaldo in 08 I assume are near the top but I don't really know who belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Is this Salah season the greatest ever by a Premier League player? What is the consensus before this season as the top 2 or 3? Shearer in 96 and Ronaldo in 08 I assume are near the top but I don't really know who belongs.
    How are you judging it? Goals? Trophies?
    Ronaldo's is hard to top considering the goals, plus a league title, European Cup, Ballon D'Or, FIFA Player of the Year.

    Also, how random is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    How are you judging it? Goals? Trophies?
    Ronaldo's is hard to top considering the goals, plus a league title, European Cup, Ballon D'Or, FIFA Player of the Year.

    Also, how random is this?
    There is no firm definition. I just was trying to find the single best season by a player. I only have about 5 years of watching every week so anything before 2012 is just stuff I read, not saw.

    A great season probably does include SOME team success but I don't think winning a trophy or trophies is required. I think overachieving is more important than actually winning. What I would say is required is knowing that every time your team needs a goal or a pass, they were the person the team and fans looked too. I think there is something remarkable about every one knowing the ball is coming to you and you still get it done. In my time watching, Suarez in '14, Bale in '13, maybe Kane in '16 and now Salah in '18 are the only seasons I've seen rise to that level.

    I assume Ronaldo's was the tops but since I didn't see it I wasn't sure. Someone else mentioned Henry in '02. I always read/hear about Shearer, Cantona and Berkamp was the first decade so I was wondering if their accomplishments rose to that level. Really, I was just looking for some people who have been watching forever to give me a little history lesson if they were up for it.

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    It's difficult or impossible to properly gauge because the idea of the best player is so nebulous. Look at the official votes - some years it's an individually brilliant player (Ronaldo, Henry, Bale, Salah), some years it's about what they do for the team (Kante, Parker) and some years it's a bit of both - Cantona would be a good example of a player who was a lightning rod for the whole United team, but was also exceptional in terms of individual performances.

    Salah needs four goals in the last three games for it to be the best individual goalscoring season in Premier League history...now I'm not someone who thinks individual performances only 'count' if they lead to the team winning something, but it's difficult to argue that a player scoring 35 goals for the team finishing third (or 2nd-4th, as the case may be) is more impressive than, say, Andy Cole scoring 34 goals for a team who also finished third but had only just got promoted (albeit in a 42-game season), Shearer scoring 34 while winning the league (again in a 42-game season) or even Phillips scoring 30 for Sunderland to fire them to an unexpected 7th.

    But obviously it's about more than just goals, and as overall performances are not as easy to analyse statistically, you have to take the team's overall performance into account to some extent. Personally I'd say Shearer in 94-95 Henry in 03-04 or Suarez in 13-14 were better...if Liverpool hadn't fucked it late on, you'd have to say Suarez that year was the best of the lot. 31 goals, winning a ton of games for Liverpool more or less single-handedly and, if not for some of his teammates letting him down at important moments, he would have won them the league too. For all his qualities (and obviously acknowledging that City have been insane) there hasn't been a point where Salah has even looked like taking them to a level above Tottenham or United, let alone challenging for the league.

    I will give Bale a mention here too - not that his last season for us was the best individual season of all time, but it really cannot be emphasised enough just how much of a one-man team we were. We get called a one-man team sometimes now because of Kane, but the reality is he scores a lot of goals because the rest of the team are so good at creating chances for him; in 2012-13, just about every game would involve us playing completely shit, sterile football, only for Bale to skin five people and blast it into the top corner from 30 yards to save us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    How are you judging it? Goals? Trophies?
    Ronaldo's is hard to top considering the goals, plus a league title, European Cup, Ballon D'Or, FIFA Player of the Year.

    Also, how random is this?
    I guess we're looking at the real deal now

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    It makes me sick how enjoyable it is to watch City's football.
    Surely double sick with Liverpool too?

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    Dulwich Hamlet promoted after 1-1 (4-3) win over Hendon on penalties. Unbelievable scenes. After all that's happened this season, it's like a Hollywood ending. Can't wait for next season.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Fuck me that ground looks huge.
    We've been kicked out of the old stadium, so are ground-sharing with Tooting and Mitcham until we get it back. It's arguably a better facility - Tiered stands, bigger capacity, more toilets and bars, good transport links... but it's not the proper home.

    Good article on it here - https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/d...m-groundshare/

    So the Playoff Final is played at whichever team finished higher in the league. Dulwich were 2nd, Hendon 5th, so providing Dulwich won, it didn't matter who won the other game, the final was always going to be played at the KNK Stadium.

    3,300 there yesterday, and I suspect more because they really weren't checking tickets. 1,500 sold online before the match.

    Great match report - http://www.isthmian.co.uk/hamlet-get...d-ending-50410

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    In Mark Lawrenson's predictions, over the course of the season, he had City winning it on 99pts, Utd 2nd with 97 and Spurs 3rd on 97.

    Imagine getting 97 points and finishing 3rd.

    Last year, he had Liverpool going the season unbeaten.

    On a related note, almost nothing to play for on Sunday. May not even watch any of it.

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    IIRC he hasn't had Liverpool down to lose in about three or four years. The problem is, it's now become a 'thing' and he's in on the gag, so he's never going to mark them down to lose.

    Lawro is a weird one - he comes across as a properly dour cunt on the TV, but is completely different on the radio and in the interview with him on Quickly Kevin (Josh Widdicombe's brilliant 90s football podcast if you haven't heard it) he comes across as a really likeable chap.

    As for Sunday...yeah there isn't much to play for, which is a shame considering it looked a couple of weeks ago like it could be one of the all-time great relegation final days, but it's the only time of the season when all the teams are on at the same time, so I still find it exciting to see all the regular score updates, even if this year they mean nothing. City are actually capable of completely obliterating Southampton if Swansea could rack up a decent win at home to Stoke, but I can't imagine there would be much motivation for City to bother when it would mean relegating a team they have no animosity towards. Maybe the possibility of knocking a few million off Ryan Bertrand's price tag might give them the push they need. Other than that, there's a vague possibility that Chelsea could still get fourth if Liverpool lose at home to Brighton, but it isn't likely.

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    Unpopular opinion: I never understand blaming (or crediting) a manager instead of the players. A person not playing the game can never be more relevant to the outcome that the people on the pitch IMO. Media, especially English media, spend way, way too much time talking about managers.

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    Its a bit of both though. The tactics and the subs were wrong. The lineup was arguably wrong. And I have to question what these players get up to in training because you have certain players (like Sanchez) who looks like he doesn't know any of his team mates. If we were going to win or even get a goal, it was going to come from individual effort, cuz United didn't look like a team out there.

    I saw someone point out that over the last 5 years we've signed Blind, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Darmian, Shaw, yet the backline we still continue to use is one made up of players that Fergie bought. That's around 130m on defenders and made zero improvement in that department. Seems to me like De Gea has been papering over the cracks for far too long and now its caught up on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    Its a bit of both though. The tactics and the subs were wrong. The lineup was arguably wrong. And I have to question what these players get up to in training because you have certain players (like Sanchez) who looks like he doesn't know any of his team mates. If we were going to win or even get a goal, it was going to come from individual effort, cuz United didn't look like a team out there.

    I saw someone point out that over the last 5 years we've signed Blind, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Darmian, Shaw, yet the backline we still continue to use is one made up of players that Fergie bought. That's around 130m on defenders and made zero improvement in that department. Seems to me like De Gea has been papering over the cracks for far too long and now its caught up on us.
    Tactics and subs I will concede are the managers fault. But we don't know what the actual tactics were today. We only know how the players enacted it. Was the problem because it was a poor plan or because the players didn't execute it properly? Jones doesn't make the foul and Pogba scores his header and his tactics were perfect and they have a trophy.

    But signings are done by clubs, not managers at this point. And considering the amount of money he is being paid, it would not be surprising to find out that playing or not playing Sanchez is not entirely the managers decision.

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    If we won, I'd still think the tactics were shit. They've been shit all season. The reason we finished 2nd was because tactically we've put more emphasis on protecting the defensive set up (plus having the best keeper in the world), and we've won games because of the individual qualities of the attackers. At no point this season have I seen us win due to a good attacking game plan. Our best performances have come from where we've managed to shut out the top sides. We haven't comfortably attacked and beat any top 6 side. But instead we've nicked a victory against all of them.
    With the tactics today, it seemed like we were constantly trying to play the ball to the full backs and then whipping in (poor) crosses. Why are we trying to win the aerial battle against 5 defenders, with Lingard, Sanchez and Rashford? It works with Fellaini and Lukaku on the pitch, or when Pogba occasionally gets into the box (which usually only happens during set pieces). The only time anything really worked was when we'd try to drive through the middle. And just went things were starting to some what click together, we take Rashford and Lingard off. What's worse is that they were like for like substitutions, rather than taking off a defender for an attacker. Even with the majority of possession, Chelsea comfortably soaked up all the pressure. And by the time we started to push further up with an extra man, it was too late.

    Now I get why Jose does this. The simple fact is that our defence is shit and can't be trusted. Lingard and Rashford play ahead of guys like Martial, Mata, etc because they "track back". And Pogba and Herrera rarely get the license to get forward. Maybe if we had a solid defence, we wouldn't have to play like this.
    The full backs are inconsistent and not good enough. Valencia was at one point one of our best players, but a large part of that was because of his attacking contribution (which made up for his occasionally poor defensive positioning). Valencia right now doesn't really help the attack, yet still carries the same flaws. Our left back options are all average (with Young putting in the occasional good performance). And the two most commonly used CBs, Jones and Smalling, are both average. Both work and rely too much on individual work rather than trying to defend as a unit. There's never any real communication between them. Maybe I'm underestimating the situation but I saw the Jones foul for the penalty and thought "A smart defender would've pressured him as long as possible and then gambled on De Gea saving the shot from an awkward angle, rather than betting on himself to make a tackle he eventually proved he couldn't make". But Jones has a history of making messy tackles like that.
    Looking back, this defence might be the worst and most disorganised that one of Jose's teams have ever had. All of Jose's previous teams have had at least one or two solid leaders at the back. Guys like Carvalho, Terry, Lucio, Samuel, Maicon, Ramos, he's managed some great ones. Who from United could you respectfully list amongst those guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    It's almost as if Mourinho has been a failure.
    What I don't get is why people expect anything different from him (tactics wise)? That is what I mean by "blame the manager". He is who he is. He is always going to try to win games 1-0. He has been doing it for 15 years. He is not going to change. If you don't like his style, blame the people who hired him.

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    I think it's reasonable for the people who hired him to expect him to improve the things within his power though, like not humiliating his young players in the media.

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    FWIW I think you are miles off on the players/manager thing. A good manager can mask the deficiencies and emphasise the qualities of players, and have a bigger impact on results than any player. Obviously the team with the best players will generally win, but the team with the best players will usually have a competent manager too. History shows plenty of examples of good groups of players who underperform because the manager is rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    FWIW I think you are miles off on the players/manager thing. A good manager can mask the deficiencies and emphasise the qualities of players, and have a bigger impact on results than any player. Obviously the team with the best players will generally win, but the team with the best players will usually have a competent manager too. History shows plenty of examples of good groups of players who underperform because the manager is rubbish.
    You can argue that Mourinho has masked deficiencies in this side. He's managed to shut out teams on 19 occasions in the league, he's conceded the 2nd least amount of goals in the league (one more than City), and he's done that with an arguably shit defence. As I already pointed out, we're 5 years on from when Sir Alex left and our defence is still made up of his players. Sorting out our defence was an issue that predates even Fergie's retirement, back when we started to look for a pairing to replace Rio and Vidic. People talk about the boring attack, but won't mention the miracles Jose has to work at the other end. He tactically shut out Liverpool at Old Trafford, and we're one of the few teams who can boast that they were able to keep Salah quiet all game like he was non-existent (using someone like Ashley Young who's hardly known for his defensive work).

    Having said that, I agree that he has made mistakes which ultimately placed him in the position he's in right now. I think first of all he's got his signings all wrong. Regarding the defensive signings, we've spent around 130m on defenders over the last 5 seasons, with none of which being good enough to cement a place in the starting line up (except Bailly, God knows what's happening with him at the moment). City on the other hand spent over 175m on defenders just this season alone, because they saw an issue and then addressed it. We on the other hand wasted money on getting marquee signings (and it doesn't surprise me that Ed Woodward recently bragged about how he feels the team performances have little impact on our commercial success) rather than sorting out our problems. Why isn't there a proper back up striker for Lukaku? Why don't we have a reliable right winger? And if Shaw isn't good enough, why haven't we bought a left back?

    Its one thing for Jose to blame the players (and to be honest, I do agree with him for the most part), but if he's identified issues in his side and then not done anything about it, that's now Jose's fault. The next two transfer windows should be his last chance to fix this, and the board need to back him up so that he has no excuses left.
    Last edited by RuneEdge; May 20th, 2018 at 6:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I think it's reasonable for the people who hired him to expect him to improve the things within his power though, like not humiliating his young players in the media.
    But he has won things before. Hasn't he made that clear enough? It doesn't really matter the current results because he has won it all already.

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