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    I don't go on Derby fan forums, I hear enough cunts at games and see enough fair weather bullshit on the FB and Twitter.

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    Would like to see that again because to me alli went to ground very very easily

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    I do love Big fat Steven davies though. Always did when he was with us

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    Definitely a pen. Dele is a cheating bastard in general but let's be realistic here.

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    Looked to me initially like he had decided I'm touching this and going down rather than having any desire to get the ball

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    There's no way of knowing what his intentions were, but he was fouled. Whether or not he was looking to get fouled is neither relevant to the decision, nor wrong in itself - winning a penalty is a legitimate part of the game and is not the same as diving.

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    You talk in so many absolutes that it makes any discussion on the matter difficult.

    The point I'm making is that if your intention isn't to play the ball yourself or do anything other than win a penalty than no you've not been fouled not to me anyway.

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    Well you're wrong, that's why I'm talking in absolutes. Lamela against Liverpool is a perfect example - without knowing his thought process, it seems fairly clear he had no intention of doing anything with the ball other than getting to it ahead of Van Dijk. To win a penalty or just to gain possession, it doesn't matter - Van Dijk kicked him, it was a penalty. Same with Alli today - it's not Alli's responsibility to give up on the ball in case the defender puts in a tackle, it's the defender's responsibility to not make the tackle if he can't win it. Alli didn't dive or create contact, he just didn't go out if his way to not get fouled...which is absolutely fine, it's the defender's responsibility to avoid that situation, not his.

    Alli has a reputation for diving and that is his own fault. Over time it will bite him in the arse - Bale dived so often that by the end of his time at Spurs he wouldn't get a penalty for even the most obvious fouls. But in this case, it was a clear penalty. If it wasn't Alli, I don't think people would even be discussing it. Clear penalty, correctly given. I don't think the Rochdale players even complained really, did they?

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    There is no such thing as "winning a penalty".

    State of the game. Its pathetic.

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    So attacking players should go out of their way to ensure defenders don't foul them? You don't think that is the defender's responsibility?

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    Thanks for letting me know I only think what I think because it's alli and not because it was my first reaction.

    You say he doesn't initiate contact I say his movement felt unnatural at normal speed and looking at the replay its clear he drags his right foot to ensure contact is made.

    The top of his foot is pointing directly to the ground he had no interest in taking a step or planting his foot he's awaiting the opportunity to flip himself over the leg of someone.

    Who knows though I'm objectively wrong.

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    How good did Moura look yesterday. Frustrating being a spurs supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    So attacking players should go out of their way to ensure defenders don't foul them? You don't think that is the defender's responsibility?
    They shouldn't be "looking to go down" because "contact was made".

    Its all a bullshit grey area concept that has ruined the game.

    Of course it happens, Alli certainly isn't the only one who does it but its shit. Drawing a foul, looking for a foul etc, its gamesmanship and in the past that would have been a booking for the attacker let alone a penalty for them.

    I put it up there with stuff like playing the ball against a defenders hand trying to get a penalty for handball. Its a grey area but its utter snide play of the highest order. It has really put me off the game the past few years. I would hate to be a defender in the modern game.

    The laws of the game (which are also shit and grey) say that a foul can be given if a player "impedes an opponent with contact" among other things. So how can you impede someone who is "looking for a foul" or "drawing a foul"? You cant because you are not impeding the player if the players sole purpose is to take the foul then there is no impediment as the attackers goal to be fouled has been reached. It makes no sense.

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    Today is gonna be the day .....

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    Nice to see the city fans taking defeat with good grace as well the cunts.

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    The team I regularly watch/support are still in huge trouble. This story broke today.

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    Pardew out?

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    To be fair in his defence, he's not suggesting their fans chant Suarez' name at Evra. That's the point where it got messed up and indefensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    What do you have against Liverpool? Strange as a Derby fan

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    I have a problem with people blaming Evra for being a victim of racist abuse.

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    Yeah but you are always attacking Liverpool specifically its odd

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    Yeah ok mate, Contrary to whatever you think is going on here, I don't go out of my way to 'attack Liverpool'. It just so happens that their fans, club culture, former players and former managers lend themselves to creating more things to disagree with them about then any other club. Trust me if I 'have it in' for Liverpool it's a monster of their own making.

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    They have done plenty wrong, but so have many other clubs. Just strange you continue to pick them out but not others

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    I slag off plenty of clubs mate.

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    You have never slagged off anyone other than Liverpool. I challenge you to give 5 examples backing up your position.

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    Well I slag off Arsenal plenty so how about that

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    Well their 'fans' but ya know.

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    That was a very smooth finish by Aguero. Made it look super easy for what I assume was actually really hard.

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    Fucking hate Man City the cunts

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    Helps when Mustafi just gives up and hands you the opportunity. Ridiculous from Mustafi there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Fucking hate Man City the cunts
    As do I. But hard to not acknowledge their quality. But that is what spending more money than everyone else gets you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Fucking hate Man City the cunts
    They spend big, they win big. They're just playing the game really.

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