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    Everybody seen the new Leeds crest?



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    Oh.

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    They surveyed 10,000 fans apparently. Presumably 10,000 fans who actively hate Leeds.

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    Also Glenn Murray is getting done for tax evasion apparently. Brighton fans losing their minds, they've been upset enough at not signing another striker, let alone worrying if they're going to lose the only decent one they have

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    "Alright, we need a new crest. Something classy, something iconic, something which doesn't remind people of our quite horrid history of racism."

    "How about a white dude holding his fist over his chest like he's ready for a fight?"

    "GIVE THAT MAN A RAISE!"

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    That crest ffs

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    Someone on Twitter has pointed out that it looks like a Pro Evo badge for West Yorkshire White.

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    What were they thinking, it is like an advert for Britain First

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    Jesus Christ

    10k fans consulted, not one positive comment on the tweet
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    Phil Neville under fire already.

    The FA.

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    Remember when Rodwell was a good prospect at Everton? He has gone on trial at Vitesse.

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    Remember when City spent big bucks on the dude?

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    Very much my point, Not the first young prospect to go to City and come out of it worse off either.

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    How fucking difficult is it to see these problems ahead of time? You could literally pay someone minimum wage to go through each candidate's Twitter feeds for any dodgy stuff, even if they have 10,000 tweets you'd probably have the whole lot done in a week.

    FWIW I would imagine Neville is probably an alright bloke who was at best making stupid jokes which look a lot worse in the context of him being the women's manager, and at worst just has a few dickish views about pay equality etc (I think we can all safely accept that the domestic abuse thing was an obvious joke). For me the domestic violence thing is less problematic than the less obviously harsh stuff about equal pay, because you get the feeling he actually believes that stuff about equal pay.

    I'm not trying to justify any of those tweets obviously, but I do think there is a level of mitigation required in situations like this - idiotic jokes made when you're not particularly under the microscope (I know he was already famous so should have been more aware) is a different context from those jokes being exposed during a massive sea change in gender equality coupled with him being given a very high-profile job in a women's arena. I've made jokes before about women that I wouldn't make nowadays - not because I didn't previously think that sexism or domestic abuse was bad but because I felt that, as I was only joking, and anyone who knew me would get that I was joking, it wasn't harmful. The recent gender issues in the news haven't taught me not to hate women, but they have taught me that things you say can upset people even if that's not your intention.

    And that's before you take into account the idea of public vs private - obviously Twitter is a public forum so really you should always be careful what you're saying, but I imagine I've probably made some ironic comments in the 'privacy' of my Twitter bubble of 200 or so people, most who know me personally, which could come across as shitty if you didn't know me, and I'd be mortified if they were dug up years later, when I'm in a situation where those comments were more problematic - particularly if I'd already grown beyond a point where I thought those jokes were acceptable. So while the whole "these comments are not indicative of me as a person" thing is a cliche, it's also a completely reasonable thing to say.

    I don't really know what point I'm making here, as I'm not really standing up for Neville particularly; I doubt he holds real opinions that make his position untenable, but he's been stupid enough to create the perception that he does, and perception is everything, so I do't think he could have too many complaints if he got binned. But I would feel a little sorry for him as a person, because I would be willing to believe that he doesn't really think those things he tweeted.
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    WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

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    Phil Neville's never had any experience whatsoever of the women's game, has only managed a team for one match, has a very sketchy record as an assistant, didn't even apply for the job and if this was any competent employer wouldn't have passed due diligence.

    Can't really have a go at him for accepting the role, but fuck me does it highlight how the FA are not fit for purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Someone on Twitter has pointed out that it looks like a Pro Evo badge for West Yorkshire White.



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    Not shockingly they've reversed their decision.

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    Alex why do you hate VAR so much?

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    Home draw in the 5th round, happy days.

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    wenger out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    wenger out
    Kroenke is the real problem. Changing the manager won't change anything if the owner is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    wenger out

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Kroenke is the real problem. Changing the manager won't change anything if the owner is the same.
    Why is he? Arsenal are about to spend another 60m on a striker. They could go out and buy Messi, Ronaldo and fuck knows who else, but yet be so poorly coached that they would barely muster a chance between them. This while conceding 4 at the other end, because as well as having no discernible gameplan, they can't defend either. This is the thing, even when Arsenal would ridiculously collapse in games, years past you could still have the outsiders of excuse of 'oh, well they play great football.' They don't even have that any more, they're dreadful to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Kroenke is the real problem. Changing the manager won't change anything if the owner is the same.
    Kroenke isn't picking the team or deciding tactics (or lack of). Wenger needs to go first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
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    Yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    Why is he? Arsenal are about to spend another 60m on a striker. They could go out and buy Messi, Ronaldo and fuck knows who else, but yet be so poorly coached that they would barely muster a chance between them. This while conceding 4 at the other end, because as well as having no discernible gameplan, they can't defend either. This is the thing, even when Arsenal would ridiculously collapse in games, years past you could still have the outsiders of excuse of 'oh, well they play great football.' They don't even have that any more, they're dreadful to watch.
    Paolo Maldini in his prime couldn't help this lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _me View Post
    Kroenke is the real problem. Changing the manager won't change anything if the owner is the same.
    Kroenke's a major part of the problem, especially considering he's at the top of the hierarchy. But Wenger leaving is the thing that's going to kick start any change.
    I firmly believe that the only reason Wenger still has a job there is because Kroenke knows Wenger for the longest time has been able to make money for the club on less resources than the other EPL teams. They charge the most for tickets, they consistently get into the Champion's League, win a odd domestic cup here and there. So regardless of what the standards are for the football team itself (whether that's the expectation of fans, or Wenger himself when he opens his mouth in interviews), the club is actually bringing in a lot of money. And that alone is why Kroenke wont get rid of him and has Wenger convinced he's doing a great job. The fans give Wenger stick because he himself can't see it. And if he was still performing as well as he used to, people would let it slide. But he's clearly declining, and the negatives outweigh the positives now. The fans for his own sake would rather he not tarnish his own legacy, and respectfully walk away from the job. That's when Kroenke will have the dilemma of finding another manager like Wenger who tolerated him and his management of the club, or sell his ownership and walk away himself.
    The next manager after Wenger might do worse, but they'll butt heads with Kroenke at some point and leave. The club as a whole needs to hit rock bottom before it can rise again, and Wenger needs to leave to make that happen.
    I'd totally be on board with Wenger under a new ownership of the club, but Kroenke isnt going anywhere.

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    Ozil has signed a new deal. Thank fuck.

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    Ozil, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Wilshere, Ramsey, Mkhytaryan.

    I think it’s a mistake to jettison Giroud, but that’s one hell of an attacking line up.

    Wenger’s channeling his inner Kevin Keegan this season.

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    Arsenal will win the League next year but only if Wenger stays. Must be tough for Arsenal fans to realise that, but the rest of us can see it for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Arsenal will win the League next year but only if Wenger stays. Must be tough for Arsenal fans to realise that, but the rest of us can see it for sure.
    This is almost certainly true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rosk View Post
    Arsenal will win the League next year but only if Wenger stays. Must be tough for Arsenal fans to realise that, but the rest of us can see it for sure.
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    I’m genuinely upset we sold Giroud. I bloody love his face.

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    Kroenke is the problem because he is the one who doesn't care about winning. He only cares about making as big as profit as possible. He runs every franchise his family owns (NFL's Rams and NBA's Nuggets and NHL's Avalanche) the same way. He never wins titles, never even really competes. Just cashes giant checks and repeats the next year.

    You could replace Wegner today but nothing will change until Kroenke changes it.

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    Draw was probably fair there. What a last ten minutes though.

    Fuck off Klopp with your hundred yard dash.

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    Re: the first penalty, I don't get why it should matter whether Lovern touched the ball or not for it to be offside. The ball was originally played to Kane who was offside, he shouldn't be able to benefit from that situation regardless of whether the defender slices his clearance. Everyone just accepting that in the studio afterwards has really weirded me out.

    I'm assuming it comes down to that 'different phase of play' bollocks but one deflected pass through is clearly one single phase of fucking play.

    Entertaining game again, top teams are delivering this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK Blue View Post
    Re: the first penalty, I don't get why it should matter whether Lovern touched the ball or not for it to be offside. The ball was originally played to Kane who was offside, he shouldn't be able to benefit from that situation regardless of whether the defender slices his clearance. Everyone just accepting that in the studio afterwards has really weirded me out.

    I'm assuming it comes down to that 'different phase of play' bollocks but one deflected pass through is clearly one single phase of fucking play.

    Entertaining game again, top teams are delivering this season.
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    Haha

    I don't think even the officials understand how to interpret the rule properly. It was changed to make the game less stop-start, so someone in an offside position who is deemed 'not interfering with play' was essentially ignored. Kane was blatantly interfering with play, his presence contributed to Lovern slicing his clearance. Had Kane not been stood there, offside, Lovern probably lets the ball run through to the goalkeeper.

    It's frustrating as it's not actually difficult to get your head around, but even generally good pundits are now settling on a bizarre, nonsensical view of it.

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    Absolute madness there. Kane pen was offside, think it was a foul once the offside wasn't given though. Lamela one was the most obvious penalty ever and it's mental that Liverpool fans are crying about it.

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    Turns out the Kane one wasn't offside by the letter of the law. So basically Liverpool fans have fuck all to complain about. Which I'm sure they will take with the dignity and class you expect from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Turns out the Kane one wasn't offside by the letter of the law.
    ??

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    Apparently the Lovren touch being deliberate (as opposed to a deflection) makes it a new phase of play, therefore Kane is onside. I get why that rule exists, but this instance makes it look really stupid.

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    Kane was offside and interfering with play in the first phase of play. That makes him offside according to the rules, regardless of whether Dermot Gallagher or John Moss are bright enough to understand it.

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    If people could just understand that you don't have to physically touch the ball to be interfering with play that would be a start.

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    I agree with you in theory, it is mental that Kane isn't considered to be interfering with play there, but the rules seem to be fairly clear: he wasn't interfering with play when the ball was played (this is the bit that is down to interpretation, the linesman's POV is that as Lovren was in front of him and Kane had no chance of getting the ball, he wasn't interfering), and the second phase began when Lovren miskicked it, at which point he couldn't be offside.

    It's one of a few situations that make a mockery of 'interfering with play' - a more obvious, common example is when a defence step up to catch a striker offside, he doesn't touch the ball and someone else comes from an onside position to score...he has interfered with play because the defence have moved based on his position, but because he hasn't touched the ball he's considered to be not interfering - it's very much the thick end of the wedge, the Kane situation yesterday clearly exposes a major flaw in the law. But the linesman and referee have not got it wrong; as I said before, it's the law that is wrong.

    It's a tough one, the logical point to make would be "use your common sense", Kane is clearly gaining an advantage from being in an offside position, so call it offside...but referees understandably want to avoid interpretation and vague notions like common sense where possible, because that's where criticism about inconsistency comes in.
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    But you can see why Kane might have been considered as "not interfering" with play. He's on the opposite side of the goal from where the ball went in. And there's no defender marking him when the ball is struck either. Would Kane not standing where he was standing, have prevented that goal being scored? Probably not.

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    The problem is that the incident lies in the grey area between 'pass takes a deflection off Lovren and ends up going through to Kane' (definitely offside) and 'pass is intercepted by Lovren who passes it back to Kane' (definitely onside). The lino interpreted it is as closer to the latter ie. a new phase of play begins when Lovren hits it, because the ball should have been under his control. Its frustrating for Liverpool but seems pretty obviously correct according to the laws. The usual bitter conspiracy theorising Liverpool reaction makes it even more enjoyable.

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    I thought I was just not understanding your post there, what were you talking about? The second pen?

    Incidentally there was a Tottenham fan on 5 Live yesterday complaining that Salah wasn't given offside for the first goal, despite it being a clear-cut backpass from Dier. Weirdly none of the presenters pulled him up on it. So it's not just Liverpool fans that are insane fuckheads, just about 95% of them at any given time.

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    I would love to see a proper study into why Liverpool have so many more tin hat fans than anyone else. I know all clubs have them to an extent, fans who are convinced that everyone from Sky to the refs to the illuminati are conspiring them to cheat them out of their rightful place, but it's SO much more pronounced with Liverpool. Cod-psychology (and I'm choosing my words carefully, hopefully not offending anyone) but could it be a side-effect of the Hillsborough disaster, where the club and the city were the victims of a genuine conspiracy theory, creating a mistrust of authority when it comes to them being wronged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I thought I was just not understanding your post there, what were you talking about? The second pen?
    I was looking at the Wanyama goal for some reason, thinking people thought Kane was offside.

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    Any referee looking to disallow that goal would have been catapulted into the sun by the Gods of football. I can't remember who it was I always argue about Wanyama with, either Alex or Torn I think, but that is proof, if proof be need be, that he is a technique bastard as much as a hard man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I would love to see a proper study into why Liverpool have so many more tin hat fans than anyone else. I know all clubs have them to an extent, fans who are convinced that everyone from Sky to the refs to the illuminati are conspiring them to cheat them out of their rightful place, but it's SO much more pronounced with Liverpool. Cod-psychology (and I'm choosing my words carefully, hopefully not offending anyone) but could it be a side-effect of the Hillsborough disaster, where the club and the city were the victims of a genuine conspiracy theory, creating a mistrust of authority when it comes to them being wronged?
    I like this, it could be money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    I like this, it could be money.

    A thread in which you ask an obvious question and then answer it yourself.
    Is it an obvious answer? I mean I barely wanted to ask it because I didn't want to come across like one of those cunts that start chanting 'always the victim, it's never your fault' then pretend to look confused when people think you're alluding to Hillsborough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Is it an obvious answer? I mean I barely wanted to ask it because I didn't want to come across like one of those cunts that start chanting 'always the victim, it's never your fault' then pretend to look confused when people think you're alluding to Hillsborough.
    I think so.

    As you pointed out, there was an actual Government and Police conspiracy at work against them. That's surely going to skew your judgment farther in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I would love to see a proper study into why Liverpool have so many more tin hat fans than anyone else. I know all clubs have them to an extent, fans who are convinced that everyone from Sky to the refs to the illuminati are conspiring them to cheat them out of their rightful place, but it's SO much more pronounced with Liverpool. Cod-psychology (and I'm choosing my words carefully, hopefully not offending anyone) but could it be a side-effect of the Hillsborough disaster, where the club and the city were the victims of a genuine conspiracy theory, creating a mistrust of authority when it comes to them being wronged?
    Its because they are twats.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    I think so.

    As you pointed out, there was an actual Government and Police conspiracy at work against them. That's surely going to skew your judgment farther in time.
    That wouldn't explain why the younger Liverpool fans are still like that. I personally know a couple of 18-19 year old Liverpool fans who're the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    That wouldn't explain why the younger Liverpool fans are still like that. I personally know a couple of 18-19 year old Liverpool fans who're the same.
    Why wouldn't it? They follow a club that had been the victim of an horrendous crime and had the government and police conspire against them. It's only very recently that justice has started to be found. Add to that the family and friends lots of younger fans will have lost, or the stories from those that were there, or the (righteous) sense of injustice and wrongdoing being passed on through club culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Why wouldn't it? They follow a club that had been the victim of an horrendous crime and had the government and police conspire against them. It's only very recently that justice has started to be found. Add to that the family and friends lots of younger fans will have lost, or the stories from those that were there, or the (righteous) sense of injustice and wrongdoing being passed on through club culture.
    Because the kids weren't born when the Hillsborough disaster happened, so they shouldn't have the same feeling of there being a conspiracy against them. The couple of lads I know, their earliest memories were from the Gerard Houllier days.

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    And I just explained why that wouldn't matter that much. In the post you quoted.

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    I and these people I'm talking about grew up in the West Midlands area. They dont have any direct connection to what happened back then. We're talking about a new generation of Liverpool fans from outside the local area.

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    Saying any Liverpool fan shouldn't have feelings about the events surrounding the Hillsborough disaster because they weren't born when it happened is mind-numbingly stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuneEdge View Post
    They dont have any direct connection to what happened back then.
    Except they support the team that was targeted by a crime and a conspiracy. Except immersing themselves in the club culture. Except hearing and reading first hand stories from people who were there, and those from people who have lost someone. Except seeing the latter day victories for justice.

    Just because somebody wasn't there, didn't see it, didn't have anybody they knew directly affected, that doesn't mean they can't be affected themselves. And Hillsborough is the kind of thing which will continue to affect for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMH View Post
    They were like that before 1989 though.
    Thank you for your totally, completely, one hundred percent unbiased opinion.

    Were they? As you're a blue I'm guessing you're from the area so you'd have a better know of it. Why'd you think it is then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Thank you for your totally, completely, one hundred percent unbiased opinion.

    Were they? As you're a blue I'm guessing you're from the area so you'd have a better know of it. Why'd you think it is then?

    - - - Updated - - -

    *in before "because they're cunts"*
    They had an arrogance to them that all clubs who have brilliant periods seem to have. Once that falls off the fans get more and more angry and get perceived injustices on the pitch. "How dare they give a penalty against us?" How dare an opponent who's team cost a fraction of ours park the bus against us?" etc.

    It's not really just a Liverpool thing. You get it from Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United etc and I think a large part of the moaning can be matched up to how much success they have seen/not seen recently.

    Regarding Hillsborough I think people not from the area forget that it wasn't just a Liverpool Football Club thing. It affected the whole city. We are not a divided city when it comes to football, family members can be red and blue etc so we lost loved ones and had to deal with the crime and conspiracy stuff too and fought all the way alongside them.

    You dont get it from Everton fans generally because our success was always based on small periods of great sides rather than a massive amount of dominance of a sustained period. Also we have fell off so far that its hardly worth getting wound up about now. Liverpool can still sniff glory as they are always in the mix yet never quite win the big one these days. Its also why they hate Manchester United more than they hate us currently.

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    And yes because they are cunts too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Except they support the team that was targeted by a crime and a conspiracy. Except immersing themselves in the club culture. Except hearing and reading first hand stories from people who were there, and those from people who have lost someone. Except seeing the latter day victories for justice.

    Just because somebody wasn't there, didn't see it, didn't have anybody they knew directly affected, that doesn't mean they can't be affected themselves. And Hillsborough is the kind of thing which will continue to affect for years to come.
    That's fine. But we're specifically talking about how the Hillsborough disaster might have indirectly developed a feeling amongst fans of there being always being a conspiracy against Liverpool FC. I think some fans can be too far away from the situation for that to be instilled in them in the same way as someone who was a local and/or was directly affected by the disaster.

    If you ask me, the behaviour of fans is something that seems to get passed down from other fans. It comes from the general feeling of the fans in the crowd and outside the stadium, the things people collectively say and agree on on social media, how the team actually performs, and it carries over through to the viewers at home in their arm chairs and everyone else around the world who consider themselves a fan of the club. And I say that because there's always a pattern with their behaviour, whether its good or bad.

    Putting the Hillsborough conspiracy point aside for one moment, it seems like a lot of Liverpool fans also share the same delusion when it comes to success. I'd say close to 80%-90% of all Liverpool fans I've known in real life have all at some point given me the "this is our year" speech. I dont hear it from Arsenal fans even though they've finished higher in the league more often than not over the last 10 years, and I don't hear it from Chelsea fans even though they've actually won multiple titles over the last 15 years. But I think we hear it from Liverpool fans for various reasons, like how on a few occasions they've got very close before bottling it at the end, or how they've always had that one world class performing player who's given them hope that they could do it. They had it with Gerrard, Torres, then Suarez, Coutinho, and now Salah is that guy. And of course winning the Champion's League in 05 in the manner that they did (and don't forget the Olympiakos game) would have you believing anything is possible. That feeling can spread amongst fans.

    That works with both sides of discussion, good and bad. If I'm a Man Utd fan and you're also a Man Utd fan, if you tell me you're convinced we're going to win the league and gave me a bunch of reasons why, eventually I might start to believe you. And it works both ways. If you tell me how we didn't deserve to lose the last game because the ref made some bad calls here and there, or because the players we were missing through injury would've for sure changed the outcome, then I'm also going to want to believe you. The reasons given to me might be a bunch of BS, but I'd be inclined to agree since we both support the same team.

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    We're just a poorly coached team. Taking 70 minutes to have a shot on goal is laughable. I doubt Spurs have had an easier game all season, they could have had 4 or 5. It's not like they're even playing particularly well, Arsenal's attempts to move the ball around the pitch are fucking pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    We're just a poorly coached team. Taking 70 minutes to have a shot on goal is laughable. I doubt Spurs have had an easier game all season, they could have had 4 or 5. It's not like they're even playing particularly well, Arsenal's attempts to move the ball around the pitch are fucking pathetic.
    Why do you only post when Arsenal lose? You fucking love it don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlebsfall View Post
    We're just a poorly coached team. Taking 70 minutes to have a shot on goal is laughable. I doubt Spurs have had an easier game all season, they could have had 4 or 5. It's not like they're even playing particularly well,
    I know this is your brand but this is a ridiculously negative assessment even for you - Arsenal more or less matched us first half and were denied a likely goal by an incorrect offside decision. Second half we improved greatly and should have scored more, but Arsenal still could have nicked a point late on if Lacazette had any confidence at all.

    I'm not saying Arsenal played brilliantly or anything, and 1-0 was kind to them, but that is one of the more difficult games we've had this season (for comparison, we brushed United aside two weeks ago in a much, much easier game, and demolished Liverpool at Wembley as well - let alone the crap teams we've played. The idea that we're not playing particularly well isn't really true either, given we are the best team in the league over the past six games and have taken seven points from United, Liverpool and Arsenal in our last three games.

    We've set ourselves up well for finishing at least in the top four now, our next four games are all winnable while the teams around us are all playing each other. So expect us to take four points from Palace/Huddersfield/Bournemouth/Newcastle.

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    The way Chelsea have been recently, I'd be surprised if the top 4 isn't City, Spurs, Liverpool and United, probably in that order. If that's the case and Chelsea do miss out, you've got to ask greater questions about the ongoing commitment and complacency of football players. Yes, there's mitigating factors (Fergie leaving, teams not having Europe in their title winning seasons), but it would be four of the last five champions failing to make the top 4. That's after, quite obviously with United and Arsenal's consistency before recently, it happening once in the first 20 seasons of the Premiership. That was before all the money came in the game, and top 4 became the objective. Blackburn missed out by 2 points. Since then, a defending champion has not once looked like true contenders the next season, generally sack the manager after Christmas, and finish outside the top 4. Is the burden of Champions League football that high? It's not as if City and Spurs have been shit the last couple of seasons while managing both tournaments.

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    It's probably because the standard at the top among five or six contenders is so high now that the inevitable drop-off in intensity that Ferguson frequently acknowledged after a title win means that, where once you would probably miss out on the title to the one other top team (usually it was United and one other, whether that was Blackburn, Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea or City), you now risk dropping a number of places down the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I know this is your brand but this is a ridiculously negative assessment even for you - Arsenal more or less matched us first half and were denied a likely goal by an incorrect offside decision. Second half we improved greatly and should have scored more, but Arsenal still could have nicked a point late on if Lacazette had any confidence at all.

    I'm not saying Arsenal played brilliantly or anything, and 1-0 was kind to them, but that is one of the more difficult games we've had this season (for comparison, we brushed United aside two weeks ago in a much, much easier game, and demolished Liverpool at Wembley as well - let alone the crap teams we've played. The idea that we're not playing particularly well isn't really true either, given we are the best team in the league over the past six games and have taken seven points from United, Liverpool and Arsenal in our last three games.

    We've set ourselves up well for finishing at least in the top four now, our next four games are all winnable while the teams around us are all playing each other. So expect us to take four points from Palace/Huddersfield/Bournemouth/Newcastle.
    What do you expect him to say. It was only 1 because Kane missed some chances and Cech played well. Amazing that all you for the other big 6 managers would be under all sorts of pressure with this kind f form. Not teflon Wenger

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    I'm not getting into another argument, I'm just saying the assessment of that game in isolation is way off. It was a tough game and we played well to win.

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    Ryan Mason officially retired, Still makes be a bit queezy that injury.

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    Very sad, only 26. And he only came through properly at 22 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Very sad, only 26. And he only came through properly at 22 as well.
    https://twitter.com/ChrisWheatley_/s...07029637476352

    Never much of a fan of Petr Cech but this tweet makes me a giant fan of his. Mason talks about how supportive Cech has been to him.

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    So yeah, Just catching the end of the Bennell doc on C4 (will watch the rest later) and one ex team mate suggested he had shared a bed with Bennell and Speed, I mean Speed denied any knowledge of abuse but that is fucking gross in itself.

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    Arsenal fan tv is dreadful. Arseblog or Bergkamp Wonderland are measured though.

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