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    Icon15 WWE Monday Night RAW (Blame Game) - November 20th 2017









    WELCOME, RAJAH!
    YOU ARE THE FORUM I SAW IN MY PREEMONEETION!
    I KNEW YOU WOULD COME!



    FOR THE WWE RING HAD BEEN BROKEN
    AND NOW YOU MUST PREPARE!
    FOR A NEW MONDAY NIGHT RAW!
















    WIN SHIELD



    The Shield conquered The New Day, making them even more unstoppable than ever before. What's next in their path of destruction?









    ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL SOMEONE LOSES THREE Is



    HHH turned on Kurt out of nowhere, stealing all the credit for Team RAW. Braun swiftly destroyed him. Why HHH why? Will there be repercussions? How's Kurt's performance review coming? Is Braun finished with you?








    THE LOSING CHAMPIONS



    Other than Brock Lesnar, none of RAW's champions emerged victorious. Will these champions face repercussions? Will losing make them vulnerable to the likes of The Shield and members of The Survivor Series teams?






































    I HOPE YOU ALL SHALL JOIN US IN CELEBREEETION!!!
    FOR TONIGHT SHALL BE... WONDERFUL!!!

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    Hoping we get some seeds planted for new storylines tonight. They can take their time, considering RAW doesn't have a PPV again until the Royal Rumble, over 2 months away.

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    Considering the last feud for most people involved people from Smackdown, I guess most of the storyline today will have to be new. I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
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    I wasn't planning on watching but this has me interested.

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    So, everyone once again kneels to HHH and Steph after a big 4 PPV, because it equals ratings.

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    Braun didn't bend the knee.

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    First time in five years I've been up and around for a live Raw. Hope its a good one. I want to see Angle grow some balls tonight.

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    Did Jason get a pop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Did Jason get a pop?
    I think it's built into his entrance theme to give the appearance of such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    Did Jason get a pop?
    I mean, they did a good job last week making him sympathetic...
    Having HHH take away the biggest opportunity of his career while acting like the biggest possible jerk about it...

    It's probably the best they've booked Jordan...
    Ripping away his big opportunity while HHH acts like a giant asshole...

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    https://i.imgur.com/OTeUlEj.mp4

    I love this Braun tries to figure out the booking gif.

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    I feel Finn vs Joe on Raw is exactly what is wrong with WWE TV these days... why give this match away. Let’s say they decide to go with this match for the next PPV. By the time that show rolls around no one will care about it anymore. Just look at NXT on Saturday Velveteen Dream and Black has an amazing match and it built up for over a month without them ever having a match before tljand. On the main roster they would have had a match that ended in a double count out. A match that had Dream walk out, and a tag match that would have Dream pinning Black. WWE need to learn from their own developmental and there is something very wrong with that concept!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Guy on the Couch View Post
    I feel Finn vs Joe on Raw is exactly what is wrong with WWE TV these days... why give this match away. Let’s say they decide to go with this match for the next PPV. By the time that show rolls around no one will care about it anymore. Just look at NXT on Saturday Velveteen Dream and Black has an amazing match and it built up for over a month without them ever having a match before tljand. On the main roster they would have had a match that ended in a double count out. A match that had Dream walk out, and a tag match that would have Dream pinning Black. WWE need to learn from their own developmental and there is something very wrong with that concept!
    It's just not that simple though.

    Raw and it's ppv's have a lot more content to fill and they need to have some big matches here and there to help draw ratings. They definitely could have promoted it better imo, but they knew they would have more eyes tonight due to the fallout of the PPV so a bigger name match to start off the broadcast also makes sense.

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    I think The Network has dramatically shifted the dynamic of PPV and TV importance...
    It's not sixty dollars a PPV any more. It's ten dollars, plus NXT, plus 205 Live, plus a huge back catalogue of WWE, WCW, ECW, AWA, etc, plus documentaries and various original shows, and done by subscription service. Basically, the service itself is what sells it...

    So they're trying to get TV over by booking big matches...

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    It's The Neon Demon...

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    Askua looks like a hot party girl

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    This should be a 1 min match lol

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    Asuka looks like what happens if you watch a forbidden VHS tape you found at Woodstock...


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    We are seeing the bottom of the barrel with a Dana promo and match.

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    Who should break askua' s winning streak? Charlotte?

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    Well, hasn't Bliss beaten everyone? If she doesn't beat Asuka, then maybe Nia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Who should break askua' s winning streak? Charlotte?
    Out of the current crop of women, probably should be Charlotte...
    I'd like to see Asuka undefeated for a year at least, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Who should break askua' s winning streak? Charlotte?
    Bayley or Becky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy View Post
    Bayley or Becky
    I'd say there are high odds of it being Ronda Rousey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
    I'd say there are high odds of it being Ronda Rousey.

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    Raw's big problem is they have no tag team division. I think this is the 20th of Bar/Shield in the last two months.

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    Someone needs to gif Cesaro's reaction, lol

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    That dude in the front row isn't feeling a win for the Shield.

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    Just seen Kamala is in the hospital on life support

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    Another shrieking shoot promo from our Total Divas champ.

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    I’m about an hour behind, watching the Joe/Bálor match right now. When joe dove thru the ropes to Bálor outside the entire front row on the camera side was empty. They quickly tightened the shot, but it was obviously an entire row of empty seats.

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    Cue Paige?

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    Lol yea makes sense let go of Emma and keep garbage like fox

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Lol yea makes sense let go of Emma and keep garbage like fox
    Nothing wrong with Alicia. I love her to pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rom7878 View Post
    Lol yea makes sense let go of Emma and keep garbage like fox
    Right now, they are looking to cut costs...
    I assume if Alicia's contract or Dana Brooke's contract or anyone but the top women's contract was up instead of Emma's, they would have been let go...

    It's largely situational...

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    So glad Paige is back, but I guess Smackdown doesn't need a fresh injection of talent.

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    So did Mandy skip right over NXT?

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    Pleas submit someone on the Announce Table, Page!

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    Interesting twist. Paige is more over now than she was before me thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    I think The Network has dramatically shifted the dynamic of PPV and TV importance...
    It's not sixty dollars a PPV any more. It's ten dollars, plus NXT, plus 205 Live, plus a huge back catalogue of WWE, WCW, ECW, AWA, etc, plus documentaries and various original shows, and done by subscription service. Basically, the service itself is what sells it...

    So they're trying to get TV over by booking big matches...
    Don’t get me wrong, I 100% understand why they think they need to do it, but I still believe they need to try a different technique. Giving away potentially big matches on free TV is not the issue. It is giving them away week after week after week. After you see matchups a certain amount of times it’s not going to bring in views anymore. Fighting ratings on a week to week basis wont work building stars is more important. They say they want WWE to be the attraction not specific wrestlers, I feel that’s not the right mindset. On paper it seems good, but in reality. It means NOONE is must see tv.

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    Mandy is hot lol and now raw might have too many woman and smackdown doesnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    So did Mandy skip right over NXT?
    She had roughly nine to ten months of non televised matches at NXT shows...
    Around fifty matches...

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    I like this new group. Build them up so Asuka has a huge mountain to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    So did Mandy skip right over NXT?
    I was just reading the RAW results and saw this. Congrats to Mandy Rose for being so hot she can skip NXT completely. I just know she showed up very sparsely and jobbed here and there.

    I hope this means the Iconic duo debuts on Smackdown tomorrow then.

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    Get the Title on Paige, asap!

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    Holy shit. Jordan picked up Strowman...

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    Maybe they will bring up 2-3 on Smackdown too...trying to build up the ranks enoughto do the women’s royal rumble match???

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    She had ten months of non televised matches at NXT shows...
    I meant as far as being part of the weekly show on the Network. Has anyone been brought up this way since NXT started?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I meant as far as being part of the weekly show on the Network. Has anyone been brought up this way since NXT started?
    Besides Braun? Maybe not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    I meant as far as being part of the weekly show on the Network. Has anyone been brought up this way since NXT started?
    Braun?

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    ^^^ What they said...

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    Rich Swann was a non televised NXT guy before the Cruiserweight tournament...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooCool View Post
    Besides Braun? Maybe not.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Guy on the Couch View Post
    Braun?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    ^^^ What they said...
    Oh, of course He was a total secret outside of the Rosebuds.

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    Daivari, Nese and Dar desperately needed to be in this entourage faction with Enzo...
    Drew Gulak would have been fine on his own...

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    Roman did nothing to earn an IC title shot... Except win his match at Survivor Series for The RAW Brand, which The Miz did not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    Roman did nothing to earn an IC title shot... Except win his match at Survivor Series for The RAW Brand, which The Miz did not...
    By that logic Triple H vs Brock Lesnar next week on Raw

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    Quote Originally Posted by virmicious View Post
    By that logic Triple H vs Brock Lesnar next week on Raw
    I'd watch it...
    Although I'd argue Braun deserves the shot more than anyone...
    He eliminated Nakamura, Orton and Roode...

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    I'm all for a Shield sweep of the belts...
    Having lost at Survivor Series, The Miz and The Bar are second fiddle champions right now...
    RAW saves a lot of face this way...

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    So...Paige. Mandy. Sonya. Team PMS? I'll see myself out...

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    That chop block counter to the Superman punch was a thing of beauty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    So...Paige. Mandy. Sonya. Team PMS? I'll see myself out...
    Now it all makes sense...
    Vince did that on purpose...

    Major reason why it's not Paige, Ruby Riot and Nikki Cross...

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    Grand Slam champion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Casey View Post
    That chop block counter to the Superman punch was a thing of beauty...
    I don't think I've ever seen that before. Guys need to make a note of that when wrestling Roman.

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    Thoughts on putting the IC Title on Reigns? I don't really see what he's going to do with it.

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    His last run with a mid-card belt was uneventful, but he wasn't part of the Shield then.

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    Paul Heyman interrupts a Reigns title defense, Reigns drops title, sets up WM match with Brock?
    If he doesn't lose it in the next month their top 2 titles will be completely useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    So...Paige. Mandy. Sonya. Team PMS? I'll see myself out...
    Sorry, Terri and Jacqueline took that name. Group will probably be called Rampage. Either way both called up to main roster after a year is head scratcher. Deville could be a good match against Asuka though.

    IC title on Roman tells me Joe gets title next
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    Terri*

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    Though the thought of Hulk Hogan in a group named PMS is funny since he's a little bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
    Though the thought of Hulk Hogan in a group named PMS is funny since he's a little bitch.
    You won't find him funny when he jobs to hulk Hogan at wrestlemania

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald View Post
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    I know. Auto spell on phone.

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    so wwe put up a video on there youtube saying reigns wins ic title to become grand slam champ

    funny they didn't do that for ambrose

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    I'm curious to know the reasoning behind bringing up Mand and Sonya since (a) Sonya hasn't really been on much and (b) Mandy's only had on NXT once. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for some Mandy Rose because she seemed to show a lot of potential in her one match w/ Ember. Been waiting for her to come back, but never expected her to be shot up to the main roster all of a sudden.

    And the two of them being tacked on w/ Paige seems kind of random. Paige can just be a powerhouse all to herself, but ehh... glad to see her back any case. That may have been one of the loudest ovations in the last 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    Thoughts on putting the IC Title on Reigns? I don't really see what he's going to do with it.
    He's going to clink it with Ambrose & Rollins upcoming belts, hold it for a while, maybe face Joe/Wyatt/Kane, and then either lose it to Joe or Miz...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHS View Post
    I'm curious to know the reasoning behind bringing up Mand and Sonya since (a) Sonya hasn't really been on much and (b) Mandy's only had on NXT once. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for some Mandy Rose because she seemed to show a lot of potential in her one match w/ Ember. Been waiting for her to come back, but never expected her to be shot up to the main roster all of a sudden.

    And the two of them being tacked on w/ Paige seems kind of random. Paige can just be a powerhouse all to herself, but ehh... glad to see her back any case. That may have been one of the loudest ovations in the last 2 years.
    I legitimately believe Sasori is right...
    This seemingly random pairing was done because Paige, Mandy and Sonya secretly spells out PMS...
    Vince and Kevin Dunn probably think this is hilarious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    Thoughts on putting the IC Title on Reigns? I don't really see what he's going to do with it.
    He kinda said on a post-Raw interview he was going to be doing an open challenge type gimmick with it

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    Sounds about right. Was it not the case when it cam to Lana's character, it's anal spelled backwards.

    Cue Beavis & Butthead-esque giggling from Vince and Nosferatu.

    Aye, this is the sort of highbrow comedy we're being subjected to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    Thoughts on putting the IC Title on Reigns? I don't really see what he's going to do with it.
    Winner takes all triple threat against the bar and miz/joe/Balor delete as appropriate.
    TAPS AFF!

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    I think Paige just needs to be tucked into a faction so she doesn't have to wrestle as much.

    Really good Raw tonight. The brand is hot right now and that's very encouraging at this time of year.

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    Great show, but damnit keep Stephanie off of my TV. I know she draws major heat, but I think Raw was doing great without her. Honestly, unless it's someone putting her through a table, seeing her on the show makes me want to turn it off. Not tune in.

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    Roman winning the IC title was nice. Paige's return was weak imo. In terms of who's she's with. And I'm in the boat with those saying it's because they spell out PMS. Just like Paige's last stable where they at first were named after a porn site. Then it was Team PCB. Whack. Honest question, has been fuckin with her face?

    The start of the show was pretty slick. Jordan is so lame though but it had promise. He'll make a great heel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Roman winning the IC title was nice. Paige's return was weak imo. In terms of who's she's with. And I'm in the boat with those saying it's because they spell out PMS. Just like Paige's last stable where they at first were named after a porn site. Then it was Team PCB. Whack. Honest question, has been fuckin with her face?

    The start of the show was pretty slick. Jordan is so lame though but it had promise. He'll make a great heel.
    My wife said the same thing about Paige's face. Right away as soon as she walked out my wife said "damn her face is all messed up now. Doesn't even look like Paige."

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    ​I thought Paige looked fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAle View Post
    My wife said the same thing about Paige's face. Right away as soon as she walked out my wife said "damn her face is all messed up now. Doesn't even look like Paige."
    It looked like my 6 year old did her make up. Big weird red lips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Roman winning the IC title was nice. Paige's return was weak imo. In terms of who's she's with. And I'm in the boat with those saying it's because they spell out PMS. Just like Paige's last stable where they at first were named after a porn site. Then it was Team PCB. Whack. Honest question, has been fuckin with her face?

    The start of the show was pretty slick. Jordan is so lame though but it had promise. He'll make a great heel.
    One too many money shots to the face?

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