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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    At least the person you voted got the rand
    That's something, at least.

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    Jeez, you give people night chat and they have nothing to say.

    How about some great Rugrats moments?


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    Fun fact, I almost made this the basis for the game plot.

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    Yeah I'm going to be honest. I haven't watched Rugrats since I was like 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kangus View Post
    Yeah I'm going to be honest. I haven't watched Rugrats since I was like 12.
    I recently started watching some episodes again which partially inspired me. I actually had the rough idea for the theme a long time ago, but only recently wanted to actually do it.

    I feel like most of us probably haven't watched since we were kids. There are some pretty clever jokes for adults in that show, though.

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    I loved the original series. For me, it went to shit when they moved to The Disney Channel (in the UK anyway), started making films, introduced Dill etc. None of that is canon IMO.

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    Just had a look on Wikipedia and seasons 1-3 are very familiar to me. After that I only recognise one or two episodes.

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    Disney Channel also ruined Doug.

    Doug would also make a good Mafia game. Roger and his gang would be your Mafia and perhaps Judy too.

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    Aye they did ruin Doug. Brand Spanking New Doug. I'm sure the main writer left.

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    Yeah he did and they completely butchered it. Roger all of a sudden gets rich and they made Patti look like a dyke.

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    To be fair, you were about 32 when that happened so you weren't really the target audience.

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    14 you cheeky sod!

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    It’s been so long since I last saw an episode I had to use a wiki to find out who some of the characters here were.
    But I still remember the nipple twist

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    Waiting on the last couple roles. Roughly 9 hours left.

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    The dynamics of this one will be interesting. I think that we have some good targets established.

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    About 4.5 hours left. Still waiting on a couple.

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    Ban for anyone who doesn’t send in their role.

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    I am a fan of this new Iron Fist mod regime.

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    NIGHT ONE

    Angelica delightfully skips around the house, trying to decide what kind of chaos she can cause first. She makes her way up the stairs, which is mostly empty, and sees JP coming out of Tommy’s room, covered in a sheet. “This dumb baby thinks that disguise will work.” Angelica walks over. “Alright, spit it out. What do you think you’re up to?” JP stumbles over his words. “Uhhhh…nothing Angelica! I’m just a scary ghost, boooooo!” Angelica laughs as she skips away. “I’m sooooo scared.” Making her way downstairs, she feels she has a good idea of who was hiding under the sheet.

    kdestiny saw his opportunity during all the commotion and distraction. He had been eyeing that jar of cookies since he arrived. He sets a wobbly stool down in front of the kitchen counter, takes a quick gander to see if anyone is looking, then slowly climbs the stool to attain his prize. Just as he has a cookie in hand, he hears a bark. Spike comes barreling into the kitchen, bumping into the stool and causing kdestiny to fall to the ground. The impact wasn’t dangerous, but was enough to startle kdestiny and send him into tears, a fit that doesn’t stop for a while, keeping him from doing his job.

    Didi continues frantically searching the house for the kids, but figures maybe it would be better to try and find out what they’re up to rather than immediately punish them. Stepping into the laundry room, she sees Pablo Diablo, and watches for a while to see what he’s doing, which was going through clean laundry to find protective gear. Upon noticing Didi, he immediately runs through her legs and out of the room. She sighs. “I guess I better clean this up…”

    As Pablo turns the corner, he bumps into Susie, causing them both to fall on their butts. “Sorry, Susie. I was trying to get away from Tommy’s mom.”Susie dusts off her dress and gives a big smile. “No worries, I was actually looking for you! We should have a little chat.”

    JP manages to make his way outside, marveling at all the people outside and getting a whiff of what’s cooking on the grill. He slowly inches his way forward, weaving through the people, and just as he’s about close enough to touch the burgers waiting on an unprotected plate, Betty swoops in and picks him up. “Hey there, little scamp! You’re not supposed to be out here right now. Come on, let’s go find your friends to play with.” Try as he may, JP cannot escape Betty’s grasp for now.

    After going through old things in the closet, Phil comes out donning a stereotypical Sherlock Holmes hat and a toy pipe. Putting the pipe in his mouth he ponders. “Now, who would know what the growed-ups are up to?” He scans the area before laying his eyes on CWE. He begins heading his direction to question him, but he freezes in his tracks upon witnessing a terrifying scene.

    Chuckie runs in and hides behind Susie, gripping onto her dress and shaking. “Protect me, Susie! I think the growed-ups are gonna get me!” Susie looks confused about Chuckie’s fear, but when she turns to see Chas making her way towards him, she gets defensive. “Wait! The babies aren’t up to anything bad! They’re just worried about Tommy’s dad!” Chas approachesslowly with his hands in front of him ready to grab the kids. “Now, now, Susie – Stu will be home soon. The kids have nothing to worry about. Come here, Chuckie!” Chas tries to grab Chuckie, but Susie pushes him out of the way. “Alright missy, looks like you need a long timeout.” Caught off guard, Susie is scooped up by Chas. Chuckie, paralyzed in fear, is also easy pickin’s as Chas scoops him up as well. He puts them both in the pen and forces them to sit and face the outside window. “Now, no talking to each other or looking the other way, CWE and Jarrod1983. Or else your next punishment will be worse.”

    He starts walking away, but happens to catch Tommyin the corner of his eye, who is quickly pulling out his screwdriver to let them out. “Ah-ah-ah!”Chassnatches the screwdriver and sets it on top of a high shelf. “Now let’s get you back in there, to- HEY! Come back!” It was too late. Tommy may have failed in saving his friends, but at least he could save his own skin.

    CWE has been put in the playpen. He was Susie Carmichael, Town-aligned Neighborizer.
    Jarrod1983 has been put in the playpen. He was Chuckie Finster, Town-aligned Hider.

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    Day Two has now started! We will now be voting to determine who will be lynched. Remember that JP has immunity, so is not a lynch option. With 13 players alive, 7 is the majority.

    You have 48 hours.


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    1. Kotre
    2. Rip
    3. Badger
    4. Stan Accy
    5. Pablo Diablo
    6. kdestiny
    7. JP
    9. wardy
    10. Kneeneighbor
    12. BBF
    13. Virmalicious
    14. Cewsh
    15. Kangus

    Dead Players
    1. CWE - Susie, Neighborizer
    2. Jarrod1983 - Chuckie, Hider
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    Losing CWE this early is a massive shocker and blow for town. I had to look up what a neighborizer was and that would've been great if he stayed alive. He really should've gotten the immunity.

    Poor Jarrod killed off early yet again. It's becoming a running gag now.

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    That is not a good start. Let's pick apart what we can.

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    Me and kdestiny are eliminated from every scum role except Drew.

    Angelica looks like she might be a classic survivor role with an added bonus to help identify players characters. If I've got that right, that is one hell of a power role. There's quite a few factors that could help shape it, but she could be the deciding factor come the end of the game.

    Did you get any information Pabs?

    I'd guess that Phil is a Cop, meaning it would be a wasted investigation. If he's not though, we might have something there.

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    Any thoughts?

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    Spike looks like a town roleblocker and Didi a mafia watcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Spike looks like a town roleblocker and Didi a mafia watcher.
    Yeah, Spike is obviously the town RB, same with Betty as the scum RB.

    Didi though, I'm really not sure. Watcher is a possibility, it's just not generally speaking a scum role. It certainly could be read that way though.

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    So CWE 'neighbourised' Jarrod and that's why they both went down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    So CWE 'neighbourised' Jarrod and that's why they both went down?
    I think CWE tried to neighbourise Pablo and Jarrod tried to hide behind CWE to protect himself. Then when CWE got killed, Jarrod got killed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I think CWE tried to neighbourise Pablo and Jarrod tried to hide behind CWE to protect himself. Then when CWE got killed, Jarrod got killed as well.
    That's how I read it too.

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    I did not get any info from that run in at all. So I’m still at a loss as to what a neighborizer does. It’s academix at this point what the role is anyways so no point trying to work it out. Maybe it was like a recruiting type role where they’d get a quick topic with them or something.

    Pretty shitty day for us on my first read. Will read through again to make sure I didn’t get led astray by flavour text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    I did not get any info from that run in at all. So I’m still at a loss as to what a neighborizer does. It’s academix at this point what the role is anyways so no point trying to work it out. Maybe it was like a recruiting type role where they’d get a quick topic with them or something.

    Pretty shitty day for us on my first read. Will read through again to make sure I didn’t get led astray by flavour text.
    From a quick google, it seems like a recruiter role. So I'm guessing CWE was trying to build an alliance of town members so they could work together and talk to each other like Mafia can.

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    Fuck I totally overlooked Chuckie trying to hide behind Susie, I read at as flavour(?) rather than a role, but that makes sense. I thought maybe whoever was recruited by a neighbouriser gets hit with the same effects.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Is Stu not in this then?

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    Hang on. If we're assuming Chuckie got hit because he hid behind Susie, why did Tommy lose his screwdriver? Did he get targeted as well, causing a situational bulletproof to get consumed?

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    Didi is Scum Rolecop. She wanted to find out what Pabs was planning, ie what they can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    Hang on. If we're assuming Chuckie got hit because he hid behind Susie, why did Tommy lose his screwdriver? Did he get targeted as well, causing a situational bulletproof to get consumed?
    Tommy's possibly been made vanilla either temporarily or permanently. Maybe Chas can do that as well or Tommy sacrificed his ability somehow to keep him alive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    Didi is Scum Rolecop. She wanted to find out what Pabs was planning, ie what they can do.
    Yeah that makes sense.

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    Scum tracker/watcher is more how I read it.

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    Still trying to figure out what happened with Tommy though.

    How did Chas block what appears to have been a successful doctor save.

    Is it because you can't save a hider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Still trying to figure out what happened with Tommy though.

    How did Chas block what appears to have been a successful doctor save.

    Is it because you can't save a hider?
    I had read the whole Tommy thing as flavour as Psycho never confirms that Tommy had targeted anyone.

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    But then why include it? I think Pablo's closer to the truth here.

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    OK, hear me out here. Chas got three people last night. Tommy, Susie and Chuckie. Chuckie doesn't count because he was hiding behind Susie who got killed. Going by how previous Mafia games have worked, a character can only take one action per night. If someone wields the Mafia kill, they can't also use their other roles. So how does Chas target Susie for a kill and Tommy for a vanilla shot?

    He didn't. Mafia pros, what generally happens if a neighboriser tries to live next door to a Scumbag? If it works like a cult, it fails and the potential neighbor dies. If Chuckie hides behind a character that dies, he also dies. That means Chas is still free to use his action to attempt to kill Tommy. I guess it's possible for him to have vanillaised Tommy instead, but that means no targetted Scum kill happened. From experience, bad play so I don't buy that two games in a row.

    Vote: Pablo.

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    Couple of things still don't add up though.

    If that's how the neighborisèr role works then wouldn't Pablo die? Also if you say Didi's a scum rolecop, then what's the point of using it on Pablo when Didi would already know that he is fellow scum?

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    I think we've given immunity to the wrong person.

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    I don't get what happened with Angelica and JP in that first paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Couple of things still don't add up though.

    If that's how the neighborisèr role works then wouldn't Pablo die? Also if you say Didi's a scum rolecop, then what's the point of using it on Pablo when Didi would already know that he is fellow scum?
    No, let me quote a Mafia wiki:

    Quote Originally Posted by mafiascum wiki
    A Mason Recruiter or Masonizer is a similar role for Masons. However, if a Masonizer targets someone who is not Town-aligned, the action will fail. Commonly, the Masonizer will also die in the process.
    My guess as to why Didi would Rolecop a person she knows to be scum is to make it look like Pabs was innocent. He couldn't have been Chas because Didi investigated him.

    Angelica: she knows who JP's character is. So I'm guessing she's got some flavour of cop going on in addition to whatever her main gimmick is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    OK, hear me out here. Chas got three people last night. Tommy, Susie and Chuckie. Chuckie doesn't count because he was hiding behind Susie who got killed. Going by how previous Mafia games have worked, a character can only take one action per night. If someone wields the Mafia kill, they can't also use their other roles. So how does Chas target Susie for a kill and Tommy for a vanilla shot?

    He didn't. Mafia pros, what generally happens if a neighboriser tries to live next door to a Scumbag? If it works like a cult, it fails and the potential neighbor dies. If Chuckie hides behind a character that dies, he also dies. That means Chas is still free to use his action to attempt to kill Tommy. I guess it's possible for him to have vanillaised Tommy instead, but that means no targetted Scum kill happened. From experience, bad play so I don't buy that two games in a row.

    Vote: Pablo.
    So you think CWE died because he targeted a scum player and Jarrod died because he hid behind a town player who died?

    That's not a bad theory, but it doesn't neatly explain Chas and Tommy.

    it also doesn't confirm that Tommy actually targeted anybody, and that is pretty important. X targets Z is a staple of these games, that's how we put the puzzle together, yet we didn't see that with Tommy in the write up. I'm still not sold it's anything but flavour.

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    Are we in agreement that Betty is a roleblocker, there's nothing else that could be?

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    I can understand the logic behind the rolecop fakeout. However according to the flavour text if I'm reading it right, CWE didn't die from targetting Pablo, Chas got him. The action may have not worked simply because CWE was killed.

    If you're right about Angelica, then that points the finger at Cewsh the way he's been going on at him.

    I'll wait and see what Cewsh and Pablo have to say before voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    I don't get what happened with Angelica and JP in that first paragraph.
    I thought Angelica was a survivor who is able to know the character of the person they target.

    I'm a little less certain of that now, or at least not sold on its veracity.

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    As much as I love spilling blood, and I do love it a lot, we need more information. It's as simple as that.

    Vote: No Lynch

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    I think we've given immunity to the wrong person.
    Do you think or do you know?

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    Does anyone have a more credible solution for Chaz taking two actions last night than my theory? That he only acted against Tommy, and Susie was hoist by her own petard?

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    Psycho has run more than one of these games, he knows what he’s doing. If somebody targets somebody else, it’s in the write up.

    Nowhere in the write up does Tommy target another player.

    It is flavour. End.

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    THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING JP.

    Chuckie hides behind Susie. If Susie dies he dies because that's how Hiders work.

    Susie targets Pablo to recruit him as a neighbor. Because he is scum, Susie dies because she tried to recruit a mafioso.

    Chas sees Tommy and performs an action. Tommy survives but loses his way out of the playpen. Either he was made vanilla or he was bulletproof but now isn't. Because Chas tried to kill him.

    Does this explain my stance and make things a little clearer?

    Does anyone have a better explanation for Chas penning two people and taking an action to vanillafy Tommy? When previously it's been kill or use your role for the Mafia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Do you think or do you know?
    I'd question why my initial post there was conviniently ignored by some. We've got to be very careful with doling out things like immunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    I'd question why my initial post there was conviniently ignored by some. We've got to be very careful with doling out things like immunity
    So we are soft claiming then. Gotcha.

    So someone was looking at CWE when all the action took place. Anyone get info there?

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    I thought we weren't allowed to role claim or breadcrumb whatsoever?

    Also if Chas didn't directly kill Susie and Chuckie and only went after Tommy, why does the write-up say he penned them? That's where I'm stuck. Surely in the write-up they would have died some other way unless the penning of them was just complete flavour.

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    The play pen is death.

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    I'm not breadcrumbing. I'm saying i think we need to be wary of jp. Hes an experienced player but has been selective about what he's said and what he's replied to.

    We doled out immunity on a whim and its bit us in the arse already and we're 2 men down. We can't afford much more or we'll be at a huge disadvantage.

    Don't let experience lead you down the wrong path.

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    Vote: JP

    He did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I thought we weren't allowed to role claim or breadcrumb whatsoever?
    Sharing info you find out is well within the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    Vote: JP

    He did it.
    He has immunity until tomorrow.

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    I'm aware. My vote will not count. However my point will. Vote JP. He did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    The play pen is death.
    Yeah I get that bit, but Chas being the one to put them there makes it sound like he killed them. If he didn't kill them and it was CWE's neighbour using then thought it would be something like "Susie and Chuckie all of a sudden got very sick or sleepy so they went to the playpen to nap" or something like that. However, Chas being involved putting them there could be flavour and he really just went after Tommy which would support Kotre's theory.

    I'll hold off on voting til tomorrow in case anyone has another explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah I get that bit, but Chas being the one to put them there makes it sound like he killed them. If he didn't kill them and it was CWE's neighbour using then thought it would be something like "Susie and Chuckie all of a sudden got very sick or sleepy so they went to the playpen to nap" or something like that. However, Chas being involved putting them there could be flavour and he really just went after Tommy which would support Kotre's theory.

    I'll hold off on voting til tomorrow in case anyone has another explanation.
    Seems like a good plan. Sit around and let more die with out trying to gather info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    I'm not breadcrumbing. I'm saying i think we need to be wary of jp. Hes an experienced player but has been selective about what he's said and what he's replied to.

    We doled out immunity on a whim and its bit us in the arse already and we're 2 men down. We can't afford much more or we'll be at a huge disadvantage.

    Don't let experience lead you down the wrong path.
    Oh definitely agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    Seems like a good plan. Sit around and let more die with out trying to gather info?
    I mean tomorrow real world time before the vote ends, not the next day phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    I'm not breadcrumbing. I'm saying i think we need to be wary of jp. Hes an experienced player but has been selective about what he's said and what he's replied to.

    We doled out immunity on a whim and its bit us in the arse already and we're 2 men down. We can't afford much more or we'll be at a huge disadvantage.

    Don't let experience lead you down the wrong path.
    Do you think we should look at the JP immunity train?

    4 - JP (Rip, Knee, CWE, kdestiny)
    4 - wardy (Pablo, Stan Accy, JP, wardy)
    3 - CWE (Jarrod1983, BBF, Badger)
    1 - kangus (virmicious)
    1 - Kneeneighbor (Kotre)
    1 - Badger (Cewsh)

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    As a rule in these games i am very wary of JP and Rip. Rip normally is wary of JP too and it struck me odd that Rip was so keen to back JP. If we're looking from any angle that should be it imo

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    New activity since no one is talking much. From the remaining player list below give me 2 people you highly suspect. Give me 2 people you read as clear.

    Living Players
    1. Kotre
    2. Rip
    3. Badger
    4. Stan Accy
    5. Pablo Diablo
    6. kdestiny
    7. JP
    9. wardy
    10. Kneeneighbor
    12. BBF
    13. Virmalicious
    14. Cewsh
    15. Kangus

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    I'm going to do some telling when I'm not typing on my phone.

    Suspicious of Pablo 'Chaz' Diablo and JP is not as dumb as he's acting.

    Clear: me and I don't know who else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    I'm going to do some telling when I'm not typing on my phone.

    Suspicious of Pablo 'Chaz' Diablo and JP is not as dumb as he's acting.

    Clear: me and I don't know who else.

    Thats not going to cut it. List who you think is clear.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Suspicious of: JP, Kotre

    Clearish: Cewsh and Badger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    New activity since no one is talking much. From the remaining player list below give me 2 people you highly suspect. Give me 2 people you read as clear.

    Living Players
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    2. Rip
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    Suspicious of JP and Rip. BBF and Stan read as clear to me.

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    Kdestiny is either clear or Drew. I'm tending towards clear.

    Give me a bit to reread the other two pages before coming up with my second soft clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotre View Post
    Kdestiny is either clear or Drew. I'm tending towards clear.

    Give me a bit to reread the other two pages before coming up with my second soft clear.
    OK: Suspicious of Pablo 'Chaz' Diablo and JP

    Clearish: Kdestiny as he's cleared of most scum roles and hasn't been fucking dancing 'I'm a fucking scumbag short and stout' ala JP. BBF doesn't look suspicious to me.

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    Before I yell at anyone, I want to go through last night as it pertains to those we lost, and the one we narrowly didn't blow by blow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    As Pablo turns the corner, he bumps into Susie, causing them both to fall on their butts. “Sorry, Susie. I was trying to get away from Tommy’s mom.”Susie dusts off her dress and gives a big smile. “No worries, I was actually looking for you! We should have a little chat.”
    Susie performs an action to Pablo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Chuckie runs in and hides behind Susie, gripping onto her dress and shaking. “Protect me, Susie! I think the growed-ups are gonna get me!”
    Chuckie performs an action on Susie

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    Susie looks confused about Chuckie’s fear, but when she turns to see Chas making her way towards him, she gets defensive. “Wait! The babies aren’t up to anything bad! They’re just worried about Tommy’s dad!” Chas approachesslowly with his hands in front of him ready to grab the kids. “Now, now, Susie – Stu will be home soon. The kids have nothing to worry about. Come here, Chuckie!” Chas tries to grab Chuckie, but Susie pushes him out of the way. “Alright missy, looks like you need a long timeout.” Caught off guard, Susie is scooped up by Chas. Chuckie, paralyzed in fear, is also easy pickin’s as Chas scoops him up as well. He puts them both in the pen and forces them to sit and face the outside window. “Now, no talking to each other or looking the other way, CWE and Jarrod1983. Or else your next punishment will be worse.”
    Susie and Chuckie are killed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier View Post
    He starts walking away, but happens to catch Tommyin the corner of his eye, who is quickly pulling out his screwdriver to let them out. “Ah-ah-ah!”Chassnatches the screwdriver and sets it on top of a high shelf. “Now let’s get you back in there, to- HEY! Come back!” It was too late. Tommy may have failed in saving his friends, but at least he could save his own skin.
    Chas performs an action on Tommy. Therefore he by the rules of the game could not have killed Susie and Chuckie through his own action that night. The only plausible explanation for this is that Susie's action earlier in the night triggered her death. She targeted Pablo, and was killed by Chas. This is not rocket science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo View Post
    Still trying to figure out what happened with Tommy though.

    How did Chas block what appears to have been a successful doctor save.

    Is it because you can't save a hider?
    Nice deflection there, Chas.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    I had read the whole Tommy thing as flavour as Psycho never confirms that Tommy had targeted anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    it also doesn't confirm that Tommy actually targeted anybody, and that is pretty important. X targets Z is a staple of these games, that's how we put the puzzle together, yet we didn't see that with Tommy in the write up. I'm still not sold it's anything but flavour.
    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Psycho has run more than one of these games, he knows what he’s doing. If somebody targets somebody else, it’s in the write up.

    Nowhere in the write up does Tommy target another player.

    It is flavour. End.
    What is your obsession with Tommy targeting people? It's taking Pablo's talking point of an 'unsuccessful doctor save' at face value and repeating it as if it clears Pablo. At no point did I, or anyone else say Tommy targetted anyone. In fact I said the opposite. That Chaz targetted Tommy. You are not this stupid JP. Stop acting like it for fuck's sake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I can understand the logic behind the rolecop fakeout. However according to the flavour text if I'm reading it right, CWE didn't die from targetting Pablo, Chas got him. The action may have not worked simply because CWE was killed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Yeah I get that bit, but Chas being the one to put them there makes it sound like he killed them. If he didn't kill them and it was CWE's neighbour using then thought it would be something like "Susie and Chuckie all of a sudden got very sick or sleepy so they went to the playpen to nap" or something like that. However, Chas being involved putting them there could be flavour and he really just went after Tommy which would support Kotre's theory.

    I'll hold off on voting til tomorrow in case anyone has another explanation.
    Chaz did kill them, but it wasn't HIS action that killed them. Actions in Mafia tend to happen in a specific order. The golden rule is 'Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.' In this context:

    Chuckie hides behind Susie. Nothing anyone can do can modify this. It modifies Susie's action (and potentially anyone targetting her) because if she dies, so does Chuckie. Susie targets Pablo to make him a neighbour - adding him to a quickchat to serve as a secure method of communication to find the scumbags. If no-one else targets her, this action resolves. A common variety of Neibourizer is what's known as a 'Weak Neighborizer.' This means that if the neighbourizer targets a non-town player they die at the end of the night. The person they targeted still gets added to the quickchat, but that's less important in this case.

    Separately, Chaz targets Tommy with his night time action. I believe this to be the Mafia kill (making Chaz's role the Mafia Killer). Tommy pulls out his screwdriver and loses it - representing him losing his one-shot bulletproof passive.

    This perfectly explains why Jarrod and CWE went down and why Tommy got hit by Chas despite him being responsible for two deaths. Look at the fucking South Park game: Mafia players can kill OR use their role power. Not both. They certainly can't target and kill two people at once in round 1. I know guessing the gamerunner is a bad strategy, but sometimes you have to look to the past as we head for the future and beat the growed ups! And just to reiterate this point. CHAZ COULD NOT HAVE TARGETED SUSIE AND TOMMY FOR KILLS.



    Guys, can someone who understands this either get the FUCK on this wagon or convince me why I need to get off it? Because there's no fucking way that I'm the only person in this thread that's right!

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    This is the part where someone says out that post is way too fucking long and you're not going to read it and make a reference to The Doc

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    I'm not familiar with Doc but that is bloody long lol

    I'll digest it later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneeneighbor View Post
    New activity since no one is talking much. From the remaining player list below give me 2 people you highly suspect. Give me 2 people you read as clear.

    Living Players
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    2. Rip
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    7. JP
    9. wardy
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    12. BBF
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    14. Cewsh
    15. Kangus
    Catching up here a bit.

    For me clear would be Badger and kite

    Suspicious is cewsh,RIP, and jp. RIP and jp cause they are always suspicious in every game they play. Cewsh mainly cause he plays like a weirdo.

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    What's the significance of JP being in Tommy's room?

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    If Betty did indeed roleblock JP then him and kdestiny are the only ones close to clear. The rest of you are still dodgy to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardy View Post
    What's the significance of JP being in Tommy's room?
    Flavour, IMO

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    Not necessarily wardy. The Betty roleblock could be a bluff to make JP look innocent. Same wirh Didi checking out Pablo. CWE and I pulled a strategy like this in the South Park game quite early on when he had me silence him.

    I don't really think there's anything that clears kdestiny or raises suspicions about him as he's been quiet so far.

    JP and Rip being chummy is very odd, agree with BBF on that one.

    Cewsh obviously has some sort of inside info on JP but I don't think he's necessarily clear himself. He could be lyncher/usurper like I was in Mortal Kombat although Cewsh is being quite loud and blatant about it but maybe that's just his style.

    Suspicious of kangus too. He immediately shat on the CWE immunity vote and then went straight for the No Lynch without even discussing anything just saying we need more info.

    Kotre's given very detailed reasoning for why he's suspected JP and Pablo. The two of them could very well be working in secret. Pablo did question JP in round one but that could also be a bluff. Pablo has also been mute this phase. Unless Kotre is a helluva actor, I think he could very well be clear and maybe the town cop.

    I'm going to jump on Kotre's train as I think we need to try and lynch someone in case we lose one or two more throughout the night. However I may consider an unvote if Pablo gives good reasoning and I may switch it to one of the other suspects.

    Vote Pablo Diablo

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    I’m not sure I have a style per say. Tends to change a bit game to game. I feel I’ve been quite up front about my intentions here.

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    Still room for five more on this wagon.

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    Oh Pablo did ask what a neighboriser was this phase. I don't know if that's significant but as far as I understand he's a Mafia vet and should know or he could have looked it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cewsh View Post
    I’m not sure I have a style per say. Tends to change a bit game to game. I feel I’ve been quite up front about my intentions here.
    I was acting similar in the Mortal Kombat Mafia game where I was told up front HFR was Shao Kahn and was trying to point people towards him but I was neutral trying to take over his role.

    If you do not have insider info and you're town not neutral, would you be able to elaborate more on why you think JP did it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBF View Post
    I'm not breadcrumbing. I'm saying i think we need to be wary of jp. Hes an experienced player but has been selective about what he's said and what he's replied to.

    We doled out immunity on a whim and its bit us in the arse already and we're 2 men down. We can't afford much more or we'll be at a huge disadvantage.

    Don't let experience lead you down the wrong path.
    Ah, fair do, I though you were softing Angelica, which would have made no sense.

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    Totally forgot the scum could use their roles on each other. JP ain't clear in a million bloody years then lol.

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    Can we all agree that there's something fishy about JP and vote Pablo this round and him next round when we can actually kill him.

    Or someone can come up with a better explanation of the fuckery of last night.

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    JP was blocked last night right? So he's not their killer or RB or Didi.

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    Pabs is playing suspect too, yeah I'd agree. Its either him or Rip on the chopping block for me but if we can agree on one then I'm on board.

    VOTE PABLO DIABLO

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    I think Angelica's gimmick is taking over the Mafia. Holy fuck that may actually be it. She targets at night looking for Drew. If she finds someone else I guess she finds out who they are.

    Didi investigates, Betty Blocks, Chas kills, that leaves Drew as our Godfather. Drew spoils the everloving fuck out of Angelica. If Daddy's little princess wants to be in charge he'd follow her instructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kangus View Post
    JP was blocked last night right? So he's not their killer or RB or Didi.
    He could still be Drew though with the role-block being a fake-out. I'm leaning more towards that than kdestiny being Drew.

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    So I'm a bit disappointed more people haven't jumped on Kotre's train on me. I had been waiting to comment to see who would jump on the train and only Badger and BBF have joined.

    His logic is completely sound. It's not right because there are still assumptions he's making, but considering we don't have anything to go on it's surprising more people didn't jump on it.

    Now the key assumption being made is that what happened was CWE was killed because he's a weak neighborizer. I wouldn't say that is a common role in mafia but adding the weak modifier isn't too uncommon. But I can't recall a time we've had a neighborizer in one of our mafia's before. At least I've never been in one so forgive me for not knowing when I was reading it on my phone.

    Now what could be another explanation for what happened last night? Strongman killer.

    I think my biggest issue with your assumptions Kotre is that you're assuming the scum wouldn't use a kill. If they had a killer with the ability to one-shot a strongman, one-shot a ninja (which is a type of killer that we commonly see in our games) why wouldn't they do all they could (including using their one-shot strongman kill on someone that people were strongly considering giving immunity to) on the first night? Eliminating a strong town is always a good move if you're sure it could go through. This would then result in CWE and Jarrod still dying.

    I don't have a better target. JP is still possibly Drew, but Drew could also be a godfather so even investigating him might not give us the info we need. It doesn't appear we had anything give us a clear answer. Yes we lost two, but losing three isn't going to put us into a better position yet. We haven't lost any of our strongest power roles yet. We aren't dead in the water yet.

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