Sweetie, me being a shit talking tornado to force out Mafia targets is the only MO i’ve Ever had. I’m just doing it gimmick free this time. Your first line of reasoning is the correct one.
Vote: HHH
Sweetie, me being a shit talking tornado to force out Mafia targets is the only MO i’ve Ever had. I’m just doing it gimmick free this time. Your first line of reasoning is the correct one.
Vote: HHH
Kotre still could be Goro. And if you're Kung Lao, while this will out you. if you saw him being Goro. From the town standpoint it's worth trading 1 mafia for you. Yes it will suck to put a target on your back, but it's always best to take out a known scum if you're a follower.Originally Posted by CWE
Another person who also has a lot of town roles knocked off similarly is Grim because it seems he was roleblocked as well. Without us knowing whether the Jarrod death was good or not yet I'm not sure about Grim, but he's definitely one to keep an eye on.
Having said all this I don't want ot go lynching either of the roleblocked people because I'm not sure we've seen our cop yet. Unless Johnny Cage is our cop.
We have ways to protect those who are outed. We have doctors and Role Blockers etc.
Role blockers are only useful if they know who the person doing the killing is. That's a strange thing to say.
Yep, I am not able to be 4 town roles, along with Knee and Badger who has 5 cleared.
I am slightly more confident with the Jarrod thing btw... he was killed by Bo Rai Cho and Kung Lao, Lui Kang and Johnny Cage were active after his death, so that leaves him with only 3 town roles, 5 scum roles and 1 non-aligned he could be. I would jump on a 6 out of 9 chance any day with no other information available so even in retrospect I am still comfortable with it.
EBWOP - that assumes he doesn't have the ability to be active whilst dead.
Sorry for the lack of conversation from been busy with life and such and haven't got a chance to start a spread sheet which I'm going to do this game for the first time.
Expect more from me this evening
With our throat punching avenger out there we have the potential to remove two per phase.
How confident are we feeling on the risk of losing two of HHH, Badger or Knee?
Is it worth the massive brave gamble of setting the drunken destroyer on one, lynching another and our mad bomber targeting the third?
That’s one MASSIVE risk but by god it would be glorious if we were right...
In a set up this town favoured, I can't see Cho having an every day vig, surely? I suspect it's more a novice player who blew their load on the first two days, especially jumping on the lynch target that now is a high probability scum. If/when Jarrod does show up as scum and dayvig has limited use, that one will end up being a waste.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Fuck, those numbers are all wrong. I missed one person in the write up. That means I am 5 down, Badger is 6. It also means Jarrod is now 6 non town, 2 town possibilities.
Your spread sheet is wrong.
I'm unsure about Kotre or Knee but I have suspected HHH from the get-go as something still feels off. If you guys take a risk and I'm lynched or killed in some way then I'll take it and you'll see the results.
Vote Jarrod
Vote Count
2 - HHH (Badger, Cewsh)
1 - Cewsh (Grim)
It will take 9 to reach a majority.
Unvote
Vote HHH
Everyone's very aggressive. Gone from lynching on a whim to now doing me because.... I was cautious?
Presumably grim is clear.. I'm on nights tonight and tomorrow but will pop in for the usual bashing.
Until then...
Vote cewsh
Just because grim has. About as much evidence for him as me I guess... except he's being hyper aggressive and I'm not...
Fiiled in my spreadsheet, for all the good it's going to do.
Was Grim blocked or checked? When can a hider not find their target?
Kotre could be one of five town, or one of five non-town. Hmmm.
I dunno, I just have trouble buying HFR as scum. Nothing about his tone has really indicated it for me. Cewsh I’d be more willing to jump on, but I also think the stark contrast in his attitudes of D1 and D2 is right up his town alley, and perhaps a bit too obvious for his scum play.
I’m gonna look more deeply at stuff when I get home, but at the moment, I still have a stinky feeling on Stan. Starting the game voting a new player, was a part of yesterday’s No Lynch(a good spot for scum last phase), and has been kinda flying under the radar. So in the interest of pressuring someone other than the obvious suspects:
Vote Stan Accy
For what it’s worth, I’m also getting a heavy town vibe from Badger. He comes off more sincere and solve-y here than he did in South Park. Though that could be the result of being familiar with the game now.
Wait why do you have grim as clear?Presumably grim is clear.. I'm on nights tonight and tomorrow but will pop in for the usual bashing.
Until then...
Vote cewsh
Just because grim has. About as much evidence for him as me I guess... except he's being hyper aggressive and I'm not...
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Unless you can’t answer because you will be claiming.
The only person I’m sure of is Rip. The rest of the list goes, in order, HHH, Psycho, Knee, end of list.
Tell us more about the list. Like is this the order of people you trust or in order of scumminess?
Oh it's the scum list. I'm Mr. Clean, and that's the grime that needs destroyed.
Rip is guaranteed town. I realize my wording there was confusing.
Vote Count
3 - HHH (Badger, Cewsh, Knee)
2 - Cewsh (Grim, HHH)
1 - Stan (Psycho)
It will take 9 to reach a majority.
I was spewing shite in the South Park game because I was new and playing the scum but I'm being stitched up here.
Hmm.
Thou doth protest too much springs to mind Badge mate.
Well I am under the spotlight so naturally I do want to defend myself. I'd probably be questioned just as much if I was being too quiet. Damned if I do and damned if I don't it seems.
For the record I believe you and Psycho are clear at least. The roleblock should not be your guys focus, the mafia's got you all paranoid.
Psycho, I don't know what game you're playing, but your radar's well off if you think I'm scum.
1. Yes I voted for Wardy, but then what happened to him on n1/d2?
2. I actually missed the hammer on the no-lynch (check JP's count) but I had no useful information to lead a lynch.
A vote for me is a vote against town, and in the interests of not flying under the radar, I'll say
vote kotre
Because the action against him could be read as a cop. FWIW I read it as a roleblock, which puts him in the same boat as Jarrod the day before. What's your opinion?
Though Grim apparently has 6 roles against me scratched off according to his fancy spreadsheet, I still believe he's clear. He poked holes against HHH and earlier and you all should run with that.
Wish I had a fancy spreadsheet to work off of. There's probably some templates online but just working off my phone and my brain lol. He's got the majority of you snowed, he's saying we're all aggressive but he's not and just being "cautious." He jumped on me at the start of this phase when I said someone didn't like my accusations against him. He's being more defensive than me. Even a newb like me can smell the bullshit off that.
I thought jailor.
Is Jacqui just a jailer, though? It definitely reads like he was blocked, but JP laid in pretty heavy to the fact that she was interrogating him. Could it be some kind of jail/cop role? If Stryker's our cop on ON, Jacqui would make sense as the EN alternative.
There’s always the issue of becoming lost in the flavour to take into account as well.
It’s possible we could be looking at a straight cop with a dramatic flourish over some hybrid role, worth bearing in mind.
I was hoping for a bit of luck and motion after last night but sadly it looks like we didn’t.
I’m still thinking we could be in a better place than we know, and I’m still very suspicious of Badge.
Or if Jax is ON roleblocker, Jacqui would make more sense as EN roleblocker.
I'm beginning to do some ISOs(looking strictly at one person's posts throughout the game) to try make some profiles. I started with Kotre, and this is what I got.
That last post I comment on is what caught my attention the most.
On one hand, this could just be a plea to seem super towny by fleshing out how roles work and being cautious of the Jarrod lynch. As a scum partner, if Jarrod flips red, he'd have no benefit in showing hesitation after the death already happened. But most interestingly, he goes into detail over speculation of Baraka's role. The multi-kill thing does make a lot of sense and seems more likely at this point. It could be an attempt to muddy the waters on what actually happened, but if he were scum, would he just give us the info like that? He's newer, but he's not dumb. So I think he's less likely to be red, but still could be self-aligned.
@Kotre, have you had the chance to catch up? Anything to add? Any ideas of who you're most suspicious of?
Unless this is some kind of claim, I don't really see how point 1 is counter to my accusation of you. But I like the tone, and the no lynch thing was really just grasping at straws to see how you'd react. At the moment, I'll
UNVOTE
I've tried to give you and everyone else clues but if you still think I'm suspicious, then that is your prerogative.
The flavor bit is a good point to make, because people did that a lot in my game. Only difference there is the confusion with Kyle's role was a bit ambiguous. He was still clearly investigating someone. In JP's flavor, he hammers home both the fact that Jacqui was investigating him AND probably roleblocking him. If nothing else, I'd buy that she's a jailer over a plain cop.
I'm still suspicious of Kev too. Not enough to commit to a vote at this stage but being on the same scum team as him in the past, I have a small idea of what his tactics may be here.
EBWOP He's gone under the radar. He tried to stir the pot and Jordo caught him with some good insight.
Oh I did something good?
Promise after my child goes to bed I'm gonna be balls deep in this shit
No probs.
I'll also make you beans on toast with butter included.
He really can't.
Figured I'd go ahead and do Badger next...
Yeah, I might end up pocketed, but I'm calling Badger town. This is a very different Badger, and I don't think it's an attempt to seem different. His motivations seem in a different place, even if he's a bit defensive. If nothing else, not voting that way today.
Have you represented Rajah on MU too or posted on any other sites? Up until Mafia I knew zero about you as I haven't noticed you post anywhere else but your Mafia skills are top notch and can see why everyone respects you after working with you.
I'm bouncing back and forth on Badger, Psycho. One post screams town then the next reads scum.
No. I never heard of mafia until I stumbled across old games as a lurker. I got hooked.
You probably should play elsewhere, you're too good at this.
For the record from my point of view, I think you're town. Not me paying lip service, but not getting any scum vibes despite us working together. I could very well be wrong and you're completely owning me but I'll go with it. HHH reasons Psycho pointed out and Kev I'm still iffy on for reasons Psycho very eloquently pointed out.
I found a mobile version to play on my tablet but no-one in the game speaks English. So it's damn near impossible to do anything other than use vote tendencies.
I'm back home and on my tablet right now. I'll do a Google and try and find that.
Trust me, I've felt the same thing post by post. But look at his posts as a whole like I did. Maybe you'll come out with a different perspective.
I'm gonna try and do another ISO or two before the night is over, but I'm about to spend the evening with my lovely woman now, so I'll probably be pretty silent. I will be looking to hear from Kotre by the time I get back.
Werewolf
Bit harsh, sure he’s a big hairy lad but I’m sure he’s just in need of a bath and a shave not a silver bullet...
Oouch!:
I am keeping a better eye on the neck beard hair.
Badge, look at the last night. You were role blocked. There were 6 greens active. Anyone keeping track of things has 6 town roles chalked off that you can't be. If this was after N1 and the only information available, I would be all over you but we have more information now.
There are still ten people who we have zero active roles cleared for. The only role I have them being eliminated from is Triborg on account of BBF being dead. There's also four people who have been targeted by a single town role so have only minimal clearance on them.
However, a few of those people have made comments or been commented about and that leads strongly suggestions of who they are or, at the very least, their friendliness. Whether they are truthful in how their info came to light to be remains to be seen.
I have to go look at small letters on a wall now. I may have glasses when I come back
I'll stand by that defensiveness. With this setup, D1 lynches are for people that don't care if they kill a townie. In games where roleclaiming is a part of the metagame, yeah I can see D1 lynches being a strong option. But with this setup? Fuck that noise.
Tuesdays are a hell day. I have training straight after work and at work they're one of, if not the busiest day.
At the moment, I've not got much to add. If you're looking for reads, or spread sheeting I am not your guy. Even in person I'm shit at reading people. Take away mannerisms and add a level of necessary bluffing, bluster and bullshit in these games and I'm not going to win any awards for picking out scum. I can use excel I spent an hour after work today doing financial reports and... no, I'm going to go ahead and not use it for fun. Ever. I put thought and effort into analysing roles/abilities because I feel that's something I'm better at. Writeups are a method for the gamerunner to give information to the players, and because it's written by a single person whose goal is to reveal information they fit my way of thinking much better than trying to get a read of people. When you break it down, actions become datapoints and I can draw a line between datapoints.
Take Scorpion for example, his prelude text makes no less than three references to fire or burning and how he wants people to know what it's like to burn forever. I wonder what his role is... well look at that, there's a role called arsonist how does it work? Well he marks a bunch of people using his night action then sets them on fire. What did Scorpion do night 1? Mark (ie. prime) someone. What did he do night 2? Nothing. Gee, I wonder if Scorpy is an ON arsonist.
Jacqui's target was submitted before the end of the day phase and locked up (Jailer), then interrogated (cop variant?). That seems like an incredibly powerful role. Granted, it seems to be gated behind even nights, but even so we have a hider that acts every night, Stryker on odd nights, a follower in Kung Lao (which hints at other, similar variants). Based on previous games, The Outsider is probably a cop too. That's excessive investigation power, so I'm leaning towards her being a jailer and the interrogation being a justification for why he was let out of the cage. Could be wrong though. Cassie I'm not sure what to make of. Night one, the write up suggested motion detector, night two she bombed two people. A defective JOAT? That fits, and is consistent with the SF mafia JP ran previously (there was a faulty JOAT in that one too). If she uses a motion sensor, it will never go off. If she protects someone, it kills them and whoever targeted them. Going off the SK game, she's probably got a Vig shot that will fail unless she hits town and is an insane cop. forget what I said about not being sure what to make of her. I'm 100% on that now. If Sonia taught Cassie how to use the equipment maybe she gets activated later as a non-shitty JOAT? Wouldn't be tied to Cassie using all her powers, because once she figures out they're useless why would you use them? Looks to me like Jacqui/Jax and Johnny/Sonia are set up to be eachother's equivalents. Jax is ON Roleblocker, Jacqui EN Jailer. Because someone yoinked Grim, we don't actually know what Johnny does, and we were prevented from clearing a second townie/100% confirming scum by Liu Kang. I REALLY hope she's an investigator, because she cost us some useful info otherwise, with nothing to show for it.
Small thoughts: Triborg needed to die. He was a joker, his win condition was literally to die. It was spelled out right in front of us. The Outsider? Probably fucking Heihachi Mishima. Like Stryker, he's from a different fighting game canon, recently deceased and knows a tonne about tournaments and demons. Raiden is the Resurrector for town, probably gets to restore one person every X days. I don't think any of the current deadites are worth bringing back. Cassie, do us all a favour and do not EVER use your vigilante powers. If you hit Raiden, you'll kill him. If you don't hit Raiden, you'll at best incapacitate yourself.
If you were to put an elbow to my throat and force me to vote, I'd say HHH's defence of Jarrod smells very rotten given how clearly guilty the latter is. Very much looked like scum crawling out of the woodwork to try and save a teammate and it just made them both look guilty. It's 10 to 1 in the morning. I'll sleep on it, and vote when I've had a shower and some coffee.
Fair enough. I'm sorry if that post came across as sarky. I think and still do that you were bang on about HHH and that you're clean.Badge, look at the last night. You were role blocked. There were 6 greens active. Anyone keeping track of things has 6 town roles chalked off that you can't be. If this was after N1 and the only information available, I would be all over you but we have more information now.
There are still ten people who we have zero active roles cleared for. The only role I have them being eliminated from is Triborg on account of BBF being dead. There's also four people who have been targeted by a single town role so have only minimal clearance on them.
However, a few of those people have made comments or been commented about and that leads strongly suggestions of who they are or, at the very least, their friendliness. Whether they are truthful in how their info came to light to be remains to be seen.
I have to go look at small letters on a wall now. I may have glasses when I come back
Another point for Jacqui being a jailer...2 people couldn't find their target (including the hider). Could they have targeted a jailed Grim? Seems likely to me.
Kotre could have just admitted he was scum in the middle of that post, and I would never know, because holy shit that is long.
Kotre just gimmick posted as The Doc.
All things considered I think reading into JP's flavour isn't a bad idea. He gave us a fair amount of hints about Cassie and the killer being able to stock pile kills is seeming more and more likely.
Stockpiling kills can make the scum very VERY dangerous. I know.
It's incredibly high powered really. Makes it almost impossible to stumble on their killer
Unvote
My eyes are fine, might need glasses in a decade.
I don't know where to go today. The vote seems split amongst 3 people and 2 of those 3 people are also voting each other. That's an excellent ploy to deflect suspicion.
Vote no lynch
Town role blocker (Jax?) block Kotre. Let's see how many other town roles he isn't.
EBWOP
Or Badger. Forgot he was blocked also. The reason I don't say block Grim us we don't know if it was a jailer used on him or just flavor.
Red herring.
Judas won the last game saying practically nothing. Don't forget about him.
kkk night guys x
So Psycho, since you're analysing posts, what do you make of my Ted talk? You have a role and a spreadsheet. Does what I'm saying add up with the information you've got?
Vote Count
3 - HHH (Badger, Cewsh, Knee)
q - Cewsh (HHH)
1 - Kotre (Stan)
1 - No Lynch (HHH)
It will take 9 to reach a majority.
I just saw Into the Spider-Verse and had some very strong drinks immediately after.
Top night, 10/10
I have nothing to add apart from I'm a bit hopeful that we get the cannoneer.
Cracking stuff by killing the Jester, but surely that was luck. Going into the game I thought Bo Rai Cho would have been a confused cop or something like that given the drunkenness. But maybe he's a serious character in MKX?
I'm going to bed shortly and when I'm up need to get a fade (skux guy) but I'll jump on trusty MICROSOFT EXCEL 97 when I get back.
In the meantime,
Vote Cewsh
I see right through you Edgecutioner,
RIGHT THROUGH
YOU
Vote No Lynch
We seem to have enough power roles still alive (pending the reveal of the roles) that I don't think we need to go jumping on a weaker train.
Alright let's move this along then.
So far we have decided that Rip is clean. Lets clear a few more tonight.
Just woke up, might sleep a bit more before actually getting into it, but I'll respond to this.
I think you're spot on with Scorpion. I don't know if The Outsider's a cop this time around, as unless he's Knee, Badger or Jarrod are The Outsider, I'd expect them to have acted by now, leading me to believe they have some other kind of role that either has limited uses or risky consequences. Also not terribly convinced it's a Tekken character, but your logic makes sense. You could be right on Cassie, but looking at the write-up, the way I read Cassie's role is she targeted wardy, and would either figure out if he was active, or get a read on who targeted that person. Virm was clearly going to target wardy, which means we were probably getting a kill or a Scorpion mark. Now, either the kill went through, but the faulty equipment blew up Virm(and JP flavored it as if the bomb killed both of them), or the faulty equipment blows up if anyone targets Cassie's target, leaving both her target and the person targeting her target dead. I don't quite think she's a JOAT, though, as I feel the death was not at all intentional.
Other than that, some interesting wording in this post. Kotre's currently clear to me.
Vote No Lynch
That’s nice.
You’re looking in entirely the wrong place, as my posting and voting state pretty obviously, but at least you’re passionate about being wrong.
Pot Kettle
Should that be CWE?
Vote HHH
A vote for Cewsh is a vote for someone who appears to be divulging information regarding another players guaranteed innocence which means he is semi-claiming a town role.
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By that I mean HHH is voting for Cewsh
Ok I may be on like 4 hours sleep but..
You voted for Cewsh first.. I even put that in my post for the whole reason I was doing it.. and I've genuinely been at work and then asleep... so... again with the really weird logic - unless you replied saying "lol ruse you fell for it" - I don't get to read all the posts..
Badger is going around going "oh no I think you're town" "oh i think you're town too" and somehow that's making him less suspicious (i mean that and the block)
No one has information on me - this is all just peoples paranoia or blunderbuss to look town or that they're contributing. Continuously going after the unknown person who defended someone so MUST be scum.
It's upsetting really because I have no defence against baseless accusations apart from "you're wrong". Which seems to work for Badger, yet not me.
So I don't really know what you want me to do here.
Umm this isn't going to help your cause mate.
I mean at the minute you're all blind lynching so what could I possibly have missed? I misjudged a role, by my notifications of being quoted... I've amended my sheet accordingly.
But the vote count tells me not much has changed so I skipped.
I cant support that. You skipped over tons of discussion about many topics.
Vote HHH
Case. Point.
You literally skipped over tons of discussion about every thing in the game, not just you. If you don't want to play or it is too time consuming for you fine, we can just vote you out. I had moved to No Lynch but at this point I do not see a reason to keep you around. There are those who have made a case against you and we can find out if they are right or we can turn the microscope on them.
Oh come off it. It's not a case of having no time or interest, though I admit the constant "yeah its HFR" built on nothing is tiresome. I have to work sometimes and I also need to sleep, shower and eat... If I choose not to go back and read through stuff that's up to me, I'm confident in my stock as it is to not need to hear a lot of pissing about.
The "case" against me is built on lies or paranoia or a false "read".
I even went back and read it and you know what I've learned? That psycho likes to read into posts a lot and thinks I'm ok, Cewsh is bullshitting a lot and thinks I'm scum, Grim thinks he's rusty, Kev doesn't really say a great deal, Rip thinks it may or may not be badger, Badger is brown-nosing everyone now he's on the back-foot, Kotre is The Doc (the poster), Scum might be stockpiling kills (I admit I never thought of that.. makes the blocks D1 more poignant if so)
A lot of those things I already had in my head but didn't feel the need to continuously say them just to look active.
Sorry.
Bollocks, that should ready "it's not a case of not wanting to play or no interest". I don't have time when I'm on nights. Like now I'm sat in a towel and was hoping to start cooking for my girlfriend coming home but when she get's in and asks I'll tell her I had some important Rajah business. To be fair, she's heard that excuse before.... sad.
Hmm...to an extent, I feel where HHH is coming from. He's horribly behind, yet is in the hot seat for some shit that he said. He feels backed into a corner because this honestly happens to him a lot, and wants to defend himself because he thinks a lynch of him will take off before he has the chance to even read anything. I understand being busy, and I honestly don't think that's a lie. And there's a certain merit in being more present instead of spending the time to go back and catch up on every single post, because the interaction is what's most important. And honestly, I think his roleblock comment is one that was coming from a place of caution.
That said, I agree with Knee in not supporting the conscious decision to not go back and read everything when you have the time. I assume he's implying he doesn't have time right now, and considering how active he was on D2, it's not like he's been slanking the whole game.
But the comment about having the thoughts in his head yet didn't see the need to repeat them to look active....I'm mixed on that statement. On one hand, that's such a defeated town perspective, especially if it is all things that other people have already commented or talked about. On the other, it seems a bit odd that he would say he had those thoughts in his head yet not want to say them, or say he was skipping over bits. It reads to me like a contradiction in approach considering that he seemingly only went back and made sure to read every post after Knee voted him because of it.
I dunno, it doesn't feel quite right to me, and other than that last bit, he feels more like a defensive townie than a cornered scum. The frustration feels real. But perhaps he's showing his colors a bit more in this phase.
I'm halfway through a Cewsh ISO. I'll hit HHH next.
Now who's being aggressive HHH?
I wasn't "brown-nosing" by the way, the only people I genuinely believe are town are Grim, Psycho and Rip plus it looks like Kotre are in the clear. I'm up in the air about most others. CWE especially is a "poker face" (Lady Gaga joke not intended) playing this game so he's hard to read. Cewsh is 50/50. The only people I have strong suspicions about are you and Kev which I won't go over again as it's all there.
Do me next.
The "Pyschoanalysis" posts are very fun and interesting reads.
Cewsh:
I could easily call out the sharp contrast in approach between D1 and D2, but I have to be honest. For all the hullabaloo about our differing D1 philosophies, I find myself agreeing with his approach to mafia, and I always have. It's in your face and unrelenting, and that's how a townie should be. Do I believe Cewsh has the ability to replicate it as scum? Absolutely. But I don't feel that here. Put Cewsh in the "not voting any time soon" pile.
EBWOP "Psychoanalysis" posts.
Vote Count
4 - HHH (Badger, Cewsh, Grim, Knee)
1 - Cewsh (HHH)
1 - Kotre (Stan)
2 - No Lynch (CWE, Pablo)
It will take 9 to reach a majority.
Fuck it. It's time to get off the fence.
Vote HHH
HHHFR ISO:
Ok, so the roleblock thing was a bad comment, and the same thing goes for the Jarrod/Town comment. But this reads like a paranoid, frustrated town who doesn't feel comfortable lynching anyone and is tired of always being in the hot seat. Which, again...he is. The questionable comments give me pause, particularly the town one, but again, I think there's a few posts here that come from a townie perspective. I'd rather HHH be looked into rather than lynching him outright. I think it's better if we find a lynch this phase since we have such a delay on information, and if we don't find anyone more suspicious, then it's better to lynch HHH and find out what we can about the connections and interactions with him. But my gut is telling me town, so I'm going to keep looking for now.
What does ISO stand for?
It actually is short for Isolation. I'm specifically looking at all the posts of one person in thread. I'm just used to spelling it with all caps elsewhere.
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