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    He was in the Gimmick Battle Royal at Wrestlemania 17 and also had a tryout match in late 2001.

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    Yes but neither of those were during his second run

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    This isn't the thread for it, but I had no idea they ran stretcher matches back then. I remember I always thought WWE did the first ever casket and ladder matches and then realized Dusty vs Ian Koloff was the first ever casket match in 1980 and the first ladder match happened in 1972 in Stampede wrestling. I always figured the steel cage match was way older and happened really early in wrestling. wasn't it called a chicken wire cage match or something? Any other gimmick matches that you thought were new to the WWE but weren't?

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    So, uh, don't read this unless you've seen Raw...


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    Well, Raw just answered our questions...


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    Starting to be really pleased I've booked the Monday off after Survivor Series now so that I can watch live.

    I think this show is going to be all kinds of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    Huh? It's happening at Survivor series.

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    It's also a case where The Shield should win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Huh? It's happening at Survivor series.
    Keep in mind when he originally posted that, it was before they announced Roman's return......

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    Makes sense now.

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    Build-up is outdated.

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    So while they're going to throw together a bunch of matches on short notice, I think the card has gotten much better for the changes. Brock vs. AJ, Shield vs. New Day, probably Charlotte vs. Alexa, Bar vs. Usos. That's some good stuff overall. I think a lot better than what they had announced and what we were projecting.

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    JUST ANNOUNCED by WWE App Alert:
    The 5th member of Team SmackDown is...



    I'm guessing something's up with Jinder. Either he failed a drug test or is in some other trouble...

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    Man, this has been a weird couple weeks for WWE.

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    Not sure that needs to be under a spoiler tag since the WWE announced it via the app and on their website.

    My guess is that they wanted Cena in somewhere and having him ref the Brock/Jinder match put him in there and also could build towards a Jinder/Cena feud. But since AJ is now working Brock leaving a spot on team Smackdown open it makes sense to slide Cena in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    Not sure that needs to be under a spoiler tag since the WWE announced it via the app and on their website.

    My guess is that they wanted Cena in somewhere and having him ref the Brock/Jinder match put him in there and also could build towards a Jinder/Cena feud. But since AJ is now working Brock leaving a spot on team Smackdown open it makes sense to slide Cena in there.
    Yup. Much like TLC, Survivor Series got a remodel that worked for the better. The upside is that WWE has a week to help hype it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greebull View Post
    Either he failed a drug test or is in some other trouble...
    Never crossed my mind at first but you may be onto something.

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    Yes at least we get some build up to this mixing around of things for this ppv.

    I thought there I read somewhere that Jinder has been working through a potential shoulder injury and that may have played a factor into things to get him some time to rest it.

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    I think it has to be injury or drug test. Hard to believe they'd completely change course like this on such short notice. Taking the belt off him, having Cena wrestle, putting Cena on Smackdown when he's been on Raw...that's a lot of stuff all at once.

    That said, they seem to be shuffling the undercard too.

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    I also read somewhere that Jinder had a shoulder injury and was working hurt.

    As happy as I am that AJ won the belt, I can't say I'm excited about seeing him lose to Brock's 2 (maybe 3) moves of doom. Would have preferred Jinder kept the belt for this match.

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    I feel like a loss for AJ against Brock won't be as bad as a loss for Jinder vs Brock. I feel like AJ will still come out of it okay like Joe and Braun did. Not sure Jinder could have worked with Brock well enough to not look bad. Jinder has come a long way in this last year alone but just feel like this was the best course of action honestly.

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    It might be no contest and Jinder interferes and gets taken out by both.
    Anyone see Gable getting last slot on team?

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    AJ will be competitive in this match, that I'm fairly confident of. A loss shouldn't hurt him too much. Like it's already been said, this show is looking pretty dammed good on paper now.

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    Cena already announced as last team member

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I also read somewhere that Jinder had a shoulder injury and was working hurt.

    As happy as I am that AJ won the belt, I can't say I'm excited about seeing him lose to Brock's 2 (maybe 3) moves of doom. Would have preferred Jinder kept the belt for this match.
    It's certainly going to be different in terms of style compared to Brock's previous two matches. I still think they'll be able to tell an interesting story. Styles is going to find a way to work him over a bit and get Brock on his heels. I'd be willing to bet that we'll see a refined working version of his last two matches as opposed to the beatdown Cena got from Lesnar.

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    Almost for sure it is Cena vs Angle in final 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluegunn View Post
    Almost for sure it is Cena vs Angle in final 2
    no chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I also read somewhere that Jinder had a shoulder injury and was working hurt.

    As happy as I am that AJ won the belt, I can't say I'm excited about seeing him lose to Brock's 2 (maybe 3) moves of doom. Would have preferred Jinder kept the belt for this match.
    i would rather have him lose clean to brock than lose to jinder to any way. At least he's the WWE champion. a competitive loss wouldn't hurt him

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGMaverick View Post
    It's certainly going to be different in terms of style compared to Brock's previous two matches. I still think they'll be able to tell an interesting story. Styles is going to find a way to work him over a bit and get Brock on his heels. I'd be willing to bet that we'll see a refined working version of his last two matches as opposed to the beatdown Cena got from Lesnar.
    I'm tired of getting excited about the potential of Brock Lesnar matches only for them to turn out to be underwhelming and generally by-the -numbers. I expect a match that's shorter than it should be where AJ gets in a smattering of offense amidst a half dozen or so German suplexes and then one F-5 ends it. I'm not too worried it'll damage AJ (I'd argue Joe and Braun's losses did put a dent in them) because he's AJ fucking Styles but given how Brock's singles bouts tend to go, I'd rather just see him whomp the crap outta Jinder for five minutes and get it over with than waste my time getting excited for something that I know's not going to be worth getting excited about.

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    It's hard to deny that this ppv is looking amazing.

    There's definitely a lot of heat between Corbin and Miz brewing on social media. It's too bad we're not getting much of it on t.v.

    IDK if we're going to see Charlotte win the belt against Natalya before the ppv. I don't see why not but they might be thinking it's a little too much if they had that title switch as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    I'm tired of getting excited about the potential of Brock Lesnar matches only for them to turn out to be underwhelming and generally by-the -numbers. I expect a match that's shorter than it should be where AJ gets in a smattering of offense amidst a half dozen or so German suplexes and then one F-5 ends it. I'm not too worried it'll damage AJ (I'd argue Joe and Braun's losses did put a dent in them) because he's AJ fucking Styles but given how Brock's singles bouts tend to go, I'd rather just see him whomp the crap outta Jinder for five minutes and get it over with than waste my time getting excited for something that I know's not going to be worth getting excited about.
    I'm hoping that the sentiment is the same within the WWE and we're going to get a helluva surprise.

    I have a feeling Jinder is going to cost AJ the match anyway.

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    Even if it was just with a ROLLUP OF DOOM, I'd pop like a motherfucker if AJ beats Brock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    It's hard to deny that this ppv is looking amazing.

    There's definitely a lot of heat between Corbin and Miz brewing on social media. It's too bad we're not getting much of it on t.v.

    IDK if we're going to see Charlotte win the belt against Natalya before the ppv. I don't see why not but they might be thinking it's a little too much if they had that title switch as well.
    I bet there's probably a fairly good chance we see Charlotte get the belt next week. It's not like there's a ton of sacrificing that would have to be done in terms of the build for the current match.

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    I think Charlotte wins the title. I also think it might be a way to keep her and Asuka apart for the time being? Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I think Charlotte wins the title. I also think it might be a way to keep her and Asuka apart for the time being? Just a thought.
    The Asuka point is really strong. Hadn't thought about that. Mentioned it before, but just seeing the radical difference in size between Bliss and Charlotte is something I want to see.

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    I would rather not see a title switch. I actually want to see Nattie vs Bliss.

    I also want to see a little bit of a tease of Charlotte and Asuka during the women's elmination match

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    Crazy how much better this card got these last few days. New day vs shield likely too.

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    I just think having a heel vs heel match in the Corbin vs Miz showdown is enough for this show. No need for another one. Put Nattie on team smackdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    I think it has to be injury or drug test. Hard to believe they'd completely change course like this on such short notice. Taking the belt off him, having Cena wrestle, putting Cena on Smackdown when he's been on Raw...that's a lot of stuff all at once.

    That said, they seem to be shuffling the undercard too.
    Cena only went to Raw because of Reigns which he explained in his first promo and never claimed to be exclusive to the brand. He made his allegiance very clear when he first went to Smackdown.

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    I want to AJto beat Brock. Fuck Lesnar and his lazy ass.

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    So in the 5 v 5 match, Joe is the only true heel? Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    I just think having a heel vs heel match in the Corbin vs Miz showdown is enough for this show. No need for another one. Put Nattie on team smackdown.
    Charlotte is beating Nattie for the title next week on Smackdown...

    Theyve cleverly laid out a plan to keep folks watching the weekly shows up until the ppv this time

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    So is Cena no longer a free agent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    So is Cena no longer a free agent?
    He is which is why he can go from SD to Raw to SD.

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    Wow, really adds fuel to that SD vs Raw fire. You have a guy wrestling on one of the team's that apparently has no allegiance to a specific show.

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    They should keep building crap cards and then changing it the week before. Seems to work.

    Cant wait for AJ v Brock that is dream match right there. Hopefully Lesnar will sell a bit.

    New Day v Shield is a fresh match up. Like it.

    If we can get Charlotte v Bliss thats another fresh match up. Keeps Charlotte away from Asuka too, keep that shit for Mania if the 4 horsewoman angle doesnt go.

    Bar v Usos will be bloody good, and elimination matches too.

    Only Miz v Corbin is unexciting at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    Wow, really adds fuel to that SD vs Raw fire. You have a guy wrestling on one of the team's that apparently has no allegiance to a specific show.
    lololol

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    Wow, really adds fuel to that SD vs Raw fire. You have a guy wrestling on one of the team's that apparently has no allegiance to a specific show.
    Imagine if they finally pull the heel trigger on Cena if he turns on Smackdown. Would be epic. Have him screw Nakamura or Shane.

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    You excited about Enzo vs Kalisto?

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    I knew you would appreciate this one PP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluegunn View Post
    You excited about Enzo vs Kalisto?
    Forgot that one. No I miss Neville.

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    I really want to see Charlotte and Asuka have some action in the elimination match. I want a tease of what we can expect to see down the road. We know it is going to happen. Just like we got a slight tease with AJ and Nakamura at Money in the Bank. Just enough to see the reaction and then down the road we know that match is going to take place.

    I want to see Charlotte and Bliss at some point. I do. But I want to see Bliss and Nattie at Survivor Series.

    I love that the champs have been having to defend their titles leading up to the ppv and that we have had some title switches that mixes things up. I like the lineup that they have set up right now and really looking forward the ppv.

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    Im not sure anyone will care about Natalya v Bliss though. When you have so much other talent it is a waste of a.match.

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    If Enzo could do the things that Kalisto can do he'd be the perfect Cruiserweight. Killer on the mic, insane acrobats in the ring. I know there are fans who frown on Enzo's in-ring ability but I have zero issue. Who sells better than him on Raw? His offense is nice because it is diverse compared to 90% of the roster. That's why I also like guys like Gallagher and Gulak. Not always a 720 off the middle rope to the outside into a 450 discus elbow Canadian Destroyer bomb.

    Kalisto is just boring as fuck. For me sometimes you have to have meaning to your moves and when he doesn't really have much going for him personality wise other than "This is for Rey and Eddie"...hard to get into it 100%. It's why I never cared about Juvi Guerrera until he did the Juvi Juice. Hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romford Pele View Post
    Im not sure anyone will care about Natalya v Bliss though. When you have so much other talent it is a waste of a.match.
    I like that they are smaller and I really like both of their characters. Nattie is a good worker and Bliss has come a long way since coming up. I think it is going to be a good match and the rest of the talent can be in the elimination match giving it a lot of star power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    He is which is why he can go from SD to Raw to SD.
    Kane or Cena????




    I do recall Kane being drafted to .Smackdown Live.

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    So who should win Styles vs. Lesnar and who will win? I expect they'll keep Lesnar strong. But I think AJ should win. Beating Lesnar will still matter when Reigns does it at Wrestlemania. But give AJ that monster rub that he's the man now. And you can build to a huge Reigns vs. Styles match down the line. It's time to finally have someone who's on the road every week beat Lesnar.

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    Lesnar will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    So who should win Styles vs. Lesnar and who will win? I expect they'll keep Lesnar strong. But I think AJ should win. Beating Lesnar will still matter when Reigns does it at Wrestlemania. But give AJ that monster rub that he's the man now. And you can build to a huge Reigns vs. Styles match down the line. It's time to finally have someone who's on the road every week beat Lesnar.
    Come on man. Lesnar will win.

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    I agree.

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    I don't think AJ needs to be Lesner. Just hang for a while with him.

    That being said I can't wait until they get the belt off of Lesner and on to someone that is there every week for tv and on the road for live shows.

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    So the question The Law asked was who SHOULD win....To be 100% honest, I'd say AJ Styles SHOULD win. He's arguably one of the top 3 guys in the entire company. He can talk, he can work, and age is only a number. If people are worried about the whole "so and so is younger he should be the one to beat Lesnar" because the WWE didn't care when 50 year old Goldberg on the shelf for 12 years squashed the dude.

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    I don't think AJ should win. We all know Lesner is beatable so an AJ win wouldn't add to that. I honestly don't want to see a winner in this match. I would like to see some kind of screwy finish. Now if this was AJ vs Lesner for the title. Then hell yeah AJ should win. Non-title match. It doesn't help anything for AJ to win and I don't think a loss hurts him.

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    I think the flip can be said toward Lesnar. If he wins, it's expected and doesn't really do much other than once again show Raw is better than Smackdown. SD can win all the little team stuff but when the top 2 guys are going at it, that's what truly matters. It's not the entire NFC and AFC going at it at the Super Bowl. A win for AJ is huge. Nobody is expecting it, especially a guy of his size. Yeah we all know Lesnar is beatable, but it's rare. He's been defeated by only 4 people since he returned, right? Cena, Trips, Taker, and Goldberg. I'm probably missing a loss, fuck idk.

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    He's been on the losing end of triple threats (Seth cashing in during Reigns/Lesnar, Fastlane triple threat with Reigns and Ambrose) but he wasn't the one pinned.

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    Who should win?

    Lesner.

    Why?

    The WWE is short on both monsters AND stars these days and he's the one of the only ones who fills either roles let alone both at once.

    AJ, on the other hand, is as everybody knows, the best wrestler in the world, and can make anybody, even Jinder Mahal look good.

    The thing about the guys like AJ (Macho Man, Shawn Michaels) is they don't need to hold the world championship for long and seldom do, nor or they booked to go over the top guy in company, they're just used to make him look better.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    I'm hoping that the sentiment is the same within the WWE and we're going to get a helluva surprise.

    I have a feeling Jinder is going to cost AJ the match anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Even if it was just with a ROLLUP OF DOOM, I'd pop like a motherfucker if AJ beats Brock.
    I can totally see AJ going for the Phenomenal Forearm, Brock catches him, F5, 1 - 2 - 3. It could be an out of nowhere finish where AJ gets surprised. No interference necessary and AJ still looks good.

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    lesnar should tap to the calf crusher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    I don't think AJ needs to be Lesner. Just hang for a while with him.

    That being said I can't wait until they get the belt off of Lesner and on to someone that is there every week for tv and on the road for live shows.
    Big Rome Dawg's gonna be our savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Big Rome Dawg's gonna be our savior.
    I am hope his STD flares up prior to Mania and we get the belt on Finn where it belongs.

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    AJ should win, because he needs it more. Lesnar needs to eat a pin this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    I am hope his STD flares up prior to Mania and we get the belt on Finn where it belongs.
    Nah.

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    Still thinking Jindar shows up. Either to cause a no contest or cost AJ.

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    I honestly don't care how Brock/AJ ends (it doesn't really matter)I just hope AJ can break up the monotony of Brock's current style.

    Cool though that in the process of AJ beating Jinder we got a bit if a preview of AJ vs Big man. Told a classic story that flows pretty perfectly into Brock/AJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth View Post
    Big Rome Dawg's gonna be our savior.
    It'll be more paint-by-numbers superhero bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordo View Post
    I honestly don't care how Brock/AJ ends (it doesn't really matter)I just hope AJ can break up the monotony of Brock's current style.
    Agreed. I think the best ending might be AJ winning by DQ due to Jinder interfering. Then Brock and AJ can destroy Jinder and the Singh brothers to end the show on a positive note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainted Eclipse View Post
    lesnar should tap to the calf crusher.
    Absolutely not.

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    Having him tap out Brock would be silly, but Lesnar's had competitive and entertaining matches with smaller guys like Eddie and Punk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotjx View Post
    I am hope his STD flares up prior to Mania and we get the belt on Finn where it belongs.
    What are you talking about you maniac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer-Belly View Post
    Agreed. I think the best ending might be AJ winning by DQ due to Jinder interfering. Then Brock and AJ can destroy Jinder and the Singh brothers to end the show on a positive note.
    I don't think ending the show on a DQ would end any show on a positive note.

    I also don't see this match going last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I don't think ending the show on a DQ would end any show on a positive note.

    I also don't see this match going last.
    Nah the Team Angle vs Team Shane match will go last.

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    As it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I don't think ending the show on a DQ would end any show on a positive note.

    I also don't see this match going last.
    I think a DQ might be less of a bummer than Brock pinning AJ clean after one F5. Then again, I won't care if Brock pins him clean after one F5 as long as AJ looks formidable against him.

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    Brock is winning clean with the F5. If he did it against Strowman, who is probably one of Vince's favorites right now, then he will do it to Styles.

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    Exactly...

    AJ will carry the match through to an enjoyable, entertaining conclusion, but that is still going to be making Brock look strong for .Roman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer-Belly View Post
    It'll be more paint-by-numbers superhero bullshit.
    He can be my hero, baby, he can kiss away my pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    Brock is winning clean with the F5. If he did it against Strowman, who is probably one of Vince's favorites right now, then he will do it to Styles.
    Damn right he should be Vince's only favorite. I hope he gets a boner just as big as mine when he sees Strowman.

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    With Jinder dropping the title, I honestly wonder if Brock via Heyman said he wasn't happy at having to fight him so Brock might have looked dis-interested or worse still for Jinder worked near shoot style. I don't see AJ going over as they have long term plan for Brock vs Reigns at Mania. Hopefully we get a good match, it hasn't got to be super long as it is a stacked card and Tag Team Elimination Matches in particular will be long ones. I don't know how Brock's contract relates to the length of his PPV matches - Strowman one lasted 9 mins 58 seconds I think, does he get paid more the longer the match. I hope it gets a good 15 minutes and AJ is made to have near winning moments, defeat won't hugely hurt AJ and if he does drop belt back to Jinder in India or before tour it can be said to be after effects of Brock fight.

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    Brock is getting paid the same either way. I highly doubt that's the problem

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    I don't get the sense that Brock really cares about winning or losing. Just wants to get paid. The only thing I've heard was a problem since he came back was his first match with Cena. Not that he had a problem losing, but that Cena was supposed to get stretchered out after the match and instead cut a weird promo that shouldn't have made air. Brock apparently flipped out about that feeling like he'd been double-crossed and had to be talked out of quitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash Diesel View Post
    Well they do have a new Shark figure coming out.

    A guy went crazy on Instragram the other day because they still haven't made a Kevin Sullivan Elite. He was like "They have made everyone but Sullivan" So I asked, "like who?" He goes "Well they already have Kamala and Brutus Beefcake".......................................
    Figures of wrestling personalities I'd rather see before Kevin Sullivan...

    -Owen Hart
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    I am totally thinking of getting the Network after seeing this card get reshuffled, it looks way better on paper than the Mania card did. I would love to see AJ win, but if Brock goes over, it'll be understandable. Asuka on the Female RAW Team almost ensures that the RAW ladies are winning. the men's RAW vs. SmackDown! team is up in the air for me... which is how I like it, it could honestly go either way (I would mark out hard if Shane somehow got taken out of the match, attacked backstage or whatnot, and out came Daniel Bryan to take his place, holy fuck, what a dream). Shield goes over on New Day without question, Usos most likely over on The Bar, and since the RAW women are more than likely winning I will guess that Nattie (or Charlotte?) goes over on Alexa. Miz and Corbin is up in the air for me too.

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    If you have the RAW women, Shield, and Brock winning then surely the Smackdown men's team will win. My picks are.....

    Brock
    Shield
    Asuka-sole survivor
    Team Smackdown men's
    Corbin
    Uso's
    Bliss

    so 4-3 RAW but fairly even in terms of important wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    If you have the RAW women, Shield, and Brock winning then surely the Smackdown men's team will win. My picks are.....

    Brock
    Shield
    Asuka-sole survivor
    Team Smackdown men's
    Corbin
    Uso's
    Bliss

    so 4-3 RAW but fairly even in terms of important wins.
    Would you still have Bliss winning if it's against Charlotte?

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    nope then I go Charlotte. Maybe make Corbin/Miz a dq finish then

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    Just a thought... Didn't Brock single handedly destroy 3MB at one time? Maybe someone brought this to Vince and he didn't see Jinder as a threat to Lesnar anymore Unless it was the Social Outcasts he destroyed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurePlayer View Post
    nope then I go Charlotte. Maybe make Corbin/Miz a dq finish then
    That's what I thought.

    In all honesty, I don't think it really matters the W-L record after the night. I mean, Smackdown won the main match last year, which was hyped the most, and it's still seen as the B show. I think you're going to get moments within the matches, but I think it's just about help progress storylines for each show within the matches.

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