Well, last year's WM went almost 7 hours didn't it? (including the ridiculous 2 hour pre-show). Wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing again and then wonder why the fans aren't cheering as loud as they should come main event time.Originally Posted by Bill Casey
I usually watch the first hour or so and then DVR the rest to fast-forward through in the morning. I can't sit and watch three hours. I just end up getting bored. Last night's episode was a perfect example of that, just an average episode despite it being two weeks before Mania.
If the rumors are true that Taker vs Reigns will be the last match, that crowd is going to be loud as hell. They might not be giving the reaction that Vince imagines they will be, but they'll be hot.
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The start time is 7pm. I have not heard anything abou pre-show.
Ambrose vs Corbin is obviously making the card. Let's not be silly here.
2-3 matches are going on the pre show most likely. I would bet that will be the smackdown tag and maybe smackdown women's. The main card will end up being 11-12 matches depending on if they do 2 or 3 pre show matches.
Bit daft about Strowman eating a chokeslam.
lolz
It was a really good chokeslam though. Better than the ones he used to take not even 2 years go.
Damn this Raw sucked. Squash matches left and right. And I fucking predicted it, kind of, but the first 10-15 minutes were a shit fest on Foley per usual. But oh no, it was 3 hours worth of constant shitting on Foley. And I get that Stephanie is supposed to be this annoying heel but Jesus Christ, Zayn's promo suffered by the constant talking by Stephanie during it. This whole Authority figure talking for 80% of the show is what makes Raw a lesser show than Smackdown who manages to mix all elements of "sports entertainment" better than Raw every week almost.
With that said, the highlights were Joe v. Zayn, Stephanie's look, some of Jericho's segment, and the first 5 seconds of the New Day segment-which happened to be the shortest New Day segment of all time btw.
EDIT: I get that we as fans are what make the WWE Universe possible. I also get that ECW kind of birthed this part of us that want to be acknowledged in the crowd but holy fuck I'm about done with the CM Punk chants when it doesn't make sense. I get Chicago but Brooklyn? If you're going to chant that loud how about just chanting "You Suck" that loud or "BORING", like the Impact Zone used to do to Jeff Jarrett, they'd boo him so loud they had to edit the crowd in post production because you couldn't hear his promos on the mic lol.
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Steph looked so good my wife went online and bought a pair of knee high boots for an upcoming overnight trip to the casino to see her favorite band. I didn't really want to go but now I do.
And yeah, the CM Punk chants outside of Chicago make zero sense. The problem with the crowd chanting "YOU SUCK" or "BORING" at Steph or even Triple H is that you know those two aren't going to admit the chants were for them. Whoever else is in the ring at that moment would take the fall even if it was different guys each week.
I am fine with the Punk chants at HHH and Steph.
I am also fine with the chants. They always give me a good chuckle. Triple H even lost his train of thought last week. The fans obviously want him back. 3 years later and he's still being chanted. That is damn impressive.
I get the issue if it were during a match or something but when the chants are during a Triple H or Steph promo, I am completely fine with it
One does not treat million dollar assets like they are rag dolls and threaten them with further injury - my lord.
This is the big sell
Neither 'superstar' was hurt.
Jesus God Almighty, I remember when my friend worked for .Vincent Kennedy McMahon himself, circa WM 11, he, who was backstage for YEARS, says to me "Bam Bam Bigelow was really really upset with LT at the Royal Rumble, you should've seen him backstage yelling about being disrespected by a football player"
I just laughed and said, "Don't worry, there will be a match at Wrestlemania"
Get it?
VKM even does things to get his own people, let alone those on the internet to mark out over angles.....
The more things change, the more they stay the same....sigh.
You really are dense. Ask yourself why you are the only one who follows your ridiculous trail of thought.
I get why some fans do chant CM PUNK at Triple H and Stephanie but it's overstayed it's welcome.
And you wonder why you get shit on every single day on this message board.
You really are dense. Ask yourself why you are the only one who follows your ridiculous trail of thought.
lol.
EVERY DAY!
On topic: I think I would have preferred the finish to Raw as the finish to their Fastlane match tbh.
Now there's a normal post and a good one too!
Well now I have a DMB song stuck in my head. Thank you Peter.
I don't get it?
WWE is bad at booking opening segments. Stephanie made Sami look so shit. The whole openinig segment impromptu, 'you are going to fight so and so, and that fight is NEXT!" is played out
imagine during the Attitude Era Stone Cold comes out to stand up to Vince/Steph who just fired Jim Ross, Vince belittles him and tells him that he doesnt deserve to talk to him, basically calling him a little bitch, Stone Cold puts his head down, and then Vince/Steph calls out Kane who comes out and beats Stone Cold cleanly?
Stephanie pretty much put herself over Sami Zayne in that meaningless spot
During the Attitude Era Austin would have given Stephanie a middle finger/stunner, got arrested, fought off cops, got back in stephanie's unconscious face and given her another finger
Sure they can't do that today (hit a woman), but they could have done something else with Sami in this spot, Sami could have done a ba fungul neck flip to Stephanie, they could have had Triple H in there instead firing Foley with Sami shoving Triple H, and then they could have had Joe come out and just beat the living crap out of Sami throwing him through tables and off the ramp. As paramedics are getting him Foley could have thanked him for being a crazy SOB yadda yadda
whatever
What a shit, terrible Raw only two weeks out from WM. Jericho/Owens was the only segment I would watch a second time. Triple H was alright in his promo, but nothing over the top great. I am looking forward to the match itself, but the angle they are taking to get there is mediocre.
I have to say, Stephanie looked INCREDIBLE. WOW!
I always chuckle when guys come out in their ring gear and seem surprised when they have a match announced as being next. It's not like they don't wrestle for a living. They showed up to work to do just that...wrestle. If the WWE wants us to believe these guys aren't ready for a match then the guys should be out in jeans and a t shirt or something they showed up to the arena wearing. That would be more believable.
Triple H basically "babyfaced" himself at the very end. He spent that whole boring promo talking about how Seth's mistake was giving in to the fans and not listening to Triple H anymore. He kept talking about how he was done with Rollins, this and that. Then he does an about face and does the exact opposite of what he was preaching about for 15 minutes. Totally caters to the crowd in full on babyface mode like he's done pretty much the entire 3 weeks or so he's been part of this 9 month angle (technically 3+ years if you count when The Shield debuted and eventually started being Triple H's henchmen).
I need to find me a good picture of her from last night because damn Stephanie looked good!
if I was a young fan not in the know am I supposed to be shocked/excited that Seth Rollins/Triple H is happening in a non-sanctioned match? I didnt know the match was ever in doubt
and would anyone think Seth Rollins wouldnt go over Triple H? Triple H is going to do his annual WM job now (other than his match vs Sting)
kind of a pointless match
I fell asleep during Aries/Nese, but from what I did see of RAW, I enjoyed it.
I also don't watch RAW every week so maybe that's why
and brock.
Yes triple h is still looked at as a threat by the casual fan. You have to take your internet smark hat off
Definitely not a pointless match by any means. I think the fact it's now this non-sanctioned "fight" is perfect and what a lot of us thought would be the type of match we'd get. This is essentially the final chapter in the Triple H v. The Shield storyline, I don't care to see it go beyond Mania unless it turns into another Evolution v. Shield type scenario but with 3 guys Triple H assembled together and so far we have 2 in Owens and Joe. But in all honesty, Triple H and Stephanie need to stop being the main focus of Raw and if they're going to have wrestlers doing work on their behalf, make it more about those guys and not the McMahon-Helmsley regime.
So I say, have Rollins go over Triple H clean and move the spotlight more on Joe, Owens, and whoever else will be associated with Triple H and Stephanie because we all know those 2 are not going anywhere especially Stephanie. I'm also very curious to see who the next GM will be as I assume if it's not Triple H it's going to be possibly Kurt Angle.....although the last thing I want to see on Raw is another 9-10 months of Stephanie demeaning a legend.
They need to do a full Vince Ex Machina and have Vince name someone to be a co-Commissioner or co-GM with Stephanie, so that she just doesn't run roughshod over whoever it ends up being. Put them on equal-footing power-wise. Stephanie can still be her bitchy self, but someone who might be able to reign in her bitchiness and not be as milquetoast as Foley.
God bless him, but I don't think anyone expected Foley to last as long as he did. Him and Steph are so diametrically opposed in temperment. Gone are the Cactus Jack days where he'd get up in anyone's face, rather he's plugging another book, Holy Foley or pandering to the crowd "Right HERE, in 'Your City'". It's been a pain watching him hobble to the ring, he may as well be using the same wheelchair that Dutch Mantel is using over on Impact these days. They need someone like Angle to be the counter-Authority authority figure on Raw, someone who carries themself like they're still a threat, who might believably 'go' in the ring if they absolutely had to, and someone who can believable not only verbally go one-on-one with HHH/Steph but also have THE 3 'I's to counter-plot against HHH/Steph when need be.
What truly does need to happen is Vince should be the babyface or unbiased at best. Jim Cornette and Lance Storm did a show together talking about how ass backwards it is for a promoter to be a heel and I agree but shit it's not even that, it's how long we've had to suffer with the same heel authority bullshit for 20 years. And only a tiny % of the time was it ever entertaining up to the present. Just boring shit. I don't want a promoter telling me the fan I'm wrong, I support the wrong people I should be supporting this guy instead.
And again it also comes back to, and this is for sure more Steph than Trips, but where's the payback? Where's the good guy getting revenge that doesn't get washed away in 2 minutes or the following week at best?
I saw that Noelle challenged Stephanie to a match. Good luck, kid. You'd be buried within 30 seconds and squashed faster than Goldberg did Lesnar. But I mean, why isn't Bayley saying fuck it and suplexing Stephanie? Why are Raw superstars so worried about their job when Smackdown would no doubt welcome them with open arms? Why did Zayn and Cesaro suddenly forget the threats of going to Smackdown last night when they were getting punked out by MILF McMahon?? I get it boys, she was super fuckable last night, but damn they coward with the quickness.
But yeah...Vince as the ultimate power but unibased or babyface, appointing someone like Kurt who knows that Stephanie isn't the end all be all because again, if you can't physically attack her, you need another way to get her to respect your authority as well. 52 weeks a year of the Steph Show=even lower ratings.
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Is the "Hold Harmless Agreement" really a well-thought idea given everything that's gone on with Daniel Bryan not getting cleared?
I guess the argument could be made that there's a big difference between knee and head, still seems like poor judgment to use it as an angle.
I'm going to miss Jericho when he leaves.
Daniel Bryan has been strategically placed in a position that will keep the Roman Reigns agenda on track. With Daniel out of the ring and on a completely different show they can focus on getting Roman to where they want him to be and have him finally be accepted. It shouldn't be a shocker the most over babyfaces were moved to Smackdown during the brand split-Dean Ambrose, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, John Cena. Yeah I didn't include tag-teams like New Day and Enzo/Cass, they're not a threat to Roman's singles career.
I actually thought this "Hold Harmless" would be how we would get a match between The Miz and Daniel Bryan. I mean if they could put a match with Bret Hart together why not Bryan? Bret's in way worse shape than Bryan.
I agree. I am sure Bryan/Miz can give us a 2-3 minute fun match with Bryan making him tap in quick fashion. It doesn't need to be a bump fest for Bryan at all.
Hell they can even do the whole AJ/Daniel kiss angle again but with Miz and Maryse. Miz goes over to kiss maryse and turns right into the knee followed by yes lock. Miz has the excuse on why he lost so he doesn't look like a chump.
Taker's "Oh shit" before he turned around and ate a spear made me laugh. I felt like part of it was for the segment and part of it was "oh shit I have to take a bump".
Chokeslam looked great, I was expecting it to look like the Hogan chokeslam from Judgment Day.
HAHA, he did have that look like "fuck I forgot this goof has to spear me now".
Hogan getting chokeslammed was the most hideous chokeslam I've seen in my life. Even Pat Patterson took a better chokeslam bump when he was 97.
lol how did that get turned into a Roman tangent?
My comment was based on the fact that Bryan has been all like "They won't clear me, otherwise i would wrestle", meanwhile Seth is injured and Trips immediately offers him a hold harmless. It's fairly contradictory.
Also Bryan Danielson is not coming back just to put the Miz in the Yes Lock in 2 minutes. He'd rather wait 18 months and do 60 minutes in NJPW.
Because in storyline, Triple H wants to take out Rollins. As of now, he has no issues with Daniel Bryan. His focus is with Rollins. There is no reason for him to give Bryan a hold harmless agreement. It's not like he is giving Rollins this to fight someone else.
but why would you even make this seem like an option for a talent that can't get cleared? Sends the wrong message to (young) fans wishing for a Bryan return.
Idk, i'm not torn up about it. Just came off as strange considering how cognizant WWE is of public image.
Honestly, at first I was thinking your comment was a shoot, that you were saying it was in poor taste because Bryan legit can't be cleared due to his concussion history but now I get what you're saying. I would say that since Triple H both in real life and storyline is head of talent relations and he probably won't grant Bryan the release because of their history. Triple H's power has yet to hit Smackdown yet but one would have to assume since Shane and Steph are the COO's of their respective brand that Triple H's ability to wield power is due to the shoot that he's still the head of talent relations and in a way doesn't answer to anyone but Vince McMahon.
I don't know...Triple H's position of power has not been made clear since the brand split, prior to the brand split he was side by side with Steph so we knew his role. So yeah I just assume that's the case.
Now after reading this I'm thinking now you are mixing reality and storyline. Like you said earlier though, it's probably an issue of Seth is out because of a knee injury whereas DB is out because of something far more serious.
They did the same thing for Shawn Michaels back in 2002. His match with Triple H at Summerslam was an unsanctioned street fight.
The reality of the Bryan situation, which WWE and Bryan have been honest about, is contradicted by this "reality based" storyline. So yeah, I'm mixing the two which seldom goes somewhere worth talking about. It was just what came to my head when i was watching the segment.
I'm starting to wonder now if even the simple and easy to choreograph bumps that could be manufactured for Bryan/Miz are off the table because WWE just flat out won't change their stance and won't let him wrestle in their rings again because they won't want to tease or fuel speculation and a physical interaction would do that.
What's the point of Miz mocking Daniel Bryan. What on Earth could the payoff be?
What's the point of Stephanie punking out the entire roster week in and week out with no payoff on the horizon? It's just something they do.
My guess is an episode of Ride Along that turns into an unsanctioned street fight at a Motel 6 parking lot.
I'm not saying that this was a horrible Raw, I actually think there was some good stuff in it. However, there was just something that was off about it. I don't know, it just felt so unlikable. Maybe it was the fact that outside of minor victories for Cesaro/Sheamus and Aries, it was almost all heels getting their way. Seeing Taker again is always fun, but outside of that, what was there to be excited about? And two weeks before Mania, shouldn't we feel exited?
To me it just makes CM Punk's comment during the Ariel Helwani interview where he said "WrestleMania sells itself doesn't matter who's on the card". Now he did go back and say on the Cabana podcast somewhat the exact opposite when he first said with Ariel he wanted to be in the main event with Rock and Cena and that it didn't matter if The Rock was on the card...then he said to Colt that everyone knows the last match is the main event and it would have helped him and his credibility as a performer to be in that spot. But I think he's right on the first thing he said to Ariel, and maybe that's how the WWE book the show as opposed to really paying attention to the direction they should be going as opposed to the direction they want to go no matter what the fans want.
how is that the exact opposite?
Because at first he said it didn't matter who was in the main event and then he said a few months later it did matter who was in the main event lol.
Ok so he said it doesn't matter who is on the card because it sells itself. He didn't mention the fact that the last match gives you more credibility after saying the main event doesn't matter. He said the card sells itself. Completely different. Maybe you didn't quote him right but based on what you are saying, it sounds like completely different things.To me it just makes CM Punk's comment during the Ariel Helwani interview where he said "WrestleMania sells itself doesn't matter who's on the card". Now he did go back and say on the Cabana podcast somewhat the exact opposite when he first said with Ariel he wanted to be in the main event with Rock and Cena and that it didn't matter if The Rock was on the card...then he said to Colt that everyone knows the last match is the main event
Well he's not really saying the opposite on the podcast, as neither point contradicts the other. He thinks that WrestleMania itself is the bigger draw than any one person on the card, but also said that in order for him to grow and for the company to create another big star, they need to main event 'Mania to gain that credibility as one of the top guys, which I totally agree with. In years to come, people will look back at someone like Daniel Bryan and think of the closing moments of 'Mania 30 as his big moment. But for everything Punk did including his long title reign, people will think back to Money in the Bank as his big moment. For those who didn't watch the product at the time and didn't enjoy the angle play out live, that whole thing would seem like nothing more than a hot feud between Punk and Cena. Bryan's moment on the other hand will always look like he was at the top of the company at the time, which will seem like a much bigger deal. Punk needed that big 'Mania moment.
But he did say that the last match gives you credibility with the fans, the company, it would have helped him become a bigger asset to the company by being in that Rock-Cena match. So to Ariel he was saying why does it matter, I'll do the job in the match I just want to be in it. But then he says, and he didn't say this in the Ariel interview, that whole story about telling Triple H and Vince his thoughts on his position at WM 29 and the whole "did I get paid like I was Rock, Taker, Triple H, and Cena."
See above. He said it didn't matter if he was in the main event from a drawing aspect because Mania sells itself, doesn't matter who's on the card. Then he said later on in a different interview with Colt that it DOES matter because if he was in the main event he'd be looked at as a bigger deal while the WWE were trying to justify his position on the card at Mania by saying working with the Undertaker is a main event match.
So if it doesn't matter who's on the card why was he worried if he was on the card or not? It's like him saying "It's not about the money" but then goes on and on about not getting paid what he felt he was worth. But if it's not abou the money, why are you talking about the money so much?
You completely missed the point sheesh. He is saying the card sells itself. He is not saying he doesn't want to be on the card for fuck's sake.
Is he wrong in saying Punk vs whoever in the main event is going to affect the buys if rock is featured earlier in the card or if Punk was in the match with Cena and Rock?
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First of all, the money comment was to make a point about what the money represented. Vince is a master at feeding people bullshit, trying to convince Punk that a match with Trips was a big deal. Punk was simply asking "if I'm in the main event, why am I not being paid like the other main eventers?" He didn't literally want more money. He wanted the company to truly believe and treat him like one of the top guys.
With the main event comment, his issue was with someone like The Rock main eventing the show, and being told it was because Rock will draw more people as the headlining act, as opposed to the company going with Punk. Punk's argument is that WrestleMania will sell anyway, because it's WrestleMania. In other words, he's saying that from the company's point of view, it doesn't matter as much who headlines the show, but it matters more to the wrestlers themselves and for their progression if they're positioned in these spots on the card.
I never once said "CM Punk said he didn't want to be on the card".
Here's what I'm saying. Punk said he wanted to be inserted into the Cena/Rock match. The argument was he's not as big of a draw as those 2. He countered with "WrestleMania is the draw, doesn't matter who's on the card". That's what he said to Ariel. Then months later he said to Colt basically it DOES matter who's on the card, where they're at on the card.
So nowhere did I say "Punk said he didn't care if he was on the card or not." No, Punk was saying originally that if they were worried about his drawing power so what, nobody cares who's on the card people order it and go to it simply because it's Mania. But he changed his tune when talking about the day he quit and talking to Triple H and Vince before Raw about his Mania status at 29......
Basically what I said 4-5 different times lol.
Were you talking out of your ass when you said this? "
I am not sure what point you are making then"So if it doesn't matter who's on the card why was he worried if he was on the card or not? "
No, you didn't. You're saying Punk contradicted himself, while I just explained how he didn't.
no you are saying he is contradicting himself which he definitely is not.
But he did contradict himself. He said in one interview it didn't matter who was on the card, so who gives a shit if Punk was in the main event if to Punk it doesn't matter how big of a draw you are, it's Mania. But then he says in another that in order to help his drawing power, he should have been in that match.....So why does it matter if you have good drawing ability if, according to Punk, your drawing power does not matter for this show?
How is that not contradicting himself?
He said one thing, and then said another. That by definition is contradicting yourself. The audio is there. He said basically drawing ability doesn't matter. Then he said it does. Contradiction. Look it up.
yikes man. He is not talking about his drawing power for Mania. He is talking about his drawing power in general. For other ppvs, house shows, merch, movies, etc. Being in the main event at Mania would help his brand. You can't be this daft.
1. Mania sells itself.
2. It doesn't matter who is on the card. Rock or not
3. If the two points are true, then why not put someone like himself in the main event (since he deserves it) to help his drawing ability as a star in the future.
follow that?
Last edited by PurePlayer; March 21st, 2017 at 4:28 PM.
No. He basically said drawing ability shouldn't matter because 'Mania will sell itself. But also said that people main eventing would matter to individual because it helps them become a bigger star.
Why's this so hard to understand? One comment is about the company drawing, the other comment is about the individual growing.
You guys realize these comments were related to his status for WM 30 right? He felt he should have something bigger than Triple H i.e. the main event of Mania since they didn't give him the main event at Mania 29. So to me he's not just talking about Payback and Royal Rumble and house shows, but future WrestleMania's, the biggest show of the year. Where he said in one interview who cares if you're a draw or not, it's Mania.
Why wasn't he bitching about the other ppvs he didn't main event while being the champion if he gave a fuck about his drawing power for Elimination Chamber? No, he was talking about the biggest payday on the biggest stage in the biggest match. To me the more damage done to him was playing 2nd fiddle to John Cena and Big Show while being the most entertaining wrestler there while holding the championship. But instead he focused on WrestleMania, which is what I'm talking about, which is where he contradicts himself. Why was he pissed about the plans for Mania 30? Why was he pissed about Mania 29?
That's BS because he clearly admitted that 'Mania 30 was "Daniel Bryan's year" and that he was happy for him. And why would be care about other PPVs when the whole point he's making is that people need to main event WrestleMania to get the experience and to raise their credibility?
Notice I didn't bring up that point about other ppvs, that was PurePlayer.
He clearly admitted it was Bryan's year to main event 30 (remember the Ariel interview was done a day or 2 prior to Rumble that year), but if he is telling Triple H and Vince before Raw (after the Ariel interview) that he deserved better essentially, wouldn't that mean he'd want in the main event of 30? Shit I fantasy booked CM Punk v. Daniel Bryan to headline WM 30 and unify the World and WWE titles in an Iron Man match to kind of usher in a new era of top guys officially.
And again, in the Colt interview he's talking about how he should main event to get experience, be a bigger draw, yet said 4-5 months earlier it doesn't matter how big of a draw you are for Mania.
This whole conversation centers around WrestleMania. I don't fucking care about Payback, house shows, movies, I didn't bring any of that up. He never mentioned about the future non-Mania events but one would assume we knew he meant that as well. But my whole thing has been Punk literally saying it doesn't matter how big of a draw you are it's WrestleMania, then said he wanted to be a bigger draw so he had to main event WrestleMania, be the last match, to achieve that. One would assume he's saying so that the following Mania, if he's in the main event or on the card, he'll be a draw for a show that he flat out said it didn't matter if you were a draw or not. You could be Simon Gotch or Hulk Hogan and it wouldn't matter because it's Mania.
I'd rather see James Ellsworth close out WM.
I have a feeling this is what you'd like to see main event WM:
v.
I got, half a mind to report, r-report you to the police, sir!
WM certainly didn't sell itself when Diesel was Champion.
* cue Nash Diesel tearing me a new asshole.*
The point is, Punk wanted to main event 'Mania, so that he could become a better asset to the company. Which then leads to him being able to draw better " For other ppvs, house shows, merch, movies, etc" as PurePlayer said.
He's not saying Punk was asking to main event other PPVs because he already was main eventing the other PPVs. 'Mania was the one where it matter, and that was the one he didn't get.
Punk said the following things. He said he deserved to main event 'Mania 29, that Bryan deserved 'Mania 30, he said he's tired, burnt out, and lost his passion for the business. He told Vince that he feels screwed out of the main event of 29, to which Vince replied with "but you are in the main event this time, you're up against Triple H". Punk said he disagreed that its a main event and that he still resented Trips for various things in the past and that now he's in a position where he can tell him that he doesn't need Trips. Trips needs him.
Nowhere does he say that he thinks he deserves the main event over Bryan.
He's saying that he thinks choosing The Rock to main event over him wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of what 'Mania draws. But he's also saying that letting him main event (the full time active member of the roster) could help him grow and become a bigger draw for the company and himself in the long run. Something the company needs right now.
lol.
Eh, those comments are expected, like quad injury jokes lol. I just always say, Diesel drew more than Hulk Hogan did in 1995 and WM 11 did better numbers than the 2 following Mania's so FUCK YOU!
I have thick skin, all those Maid Rites you love!
I'm actually a fan of the big man; One of the most witty and hilarious wrestlers out there.
just not a fan of his abysmal title run.
but a lot of that can be attributed to shit booking.
He was the original Roman Reigns in that regard.
Maid Rite: loose stools on a bun.
yuck.
Yeah they tried to book him Hogan style. Destroy the monsters. It just sucked the WWF only had a handful of draws and they used those guys to try and get newer stars over. Undertaker, Diesel, Shawn, Bret, and Razor...Those top 5 guys were put in a situation where they had to try and get over talent like Kama, Mabel, Pierre, Jeff Jarrett, etc. because a lot of established guys who should have put them over (them=Taker, Diesel, etc.) all went to WCW. So no passing of the torch so to speak. I mean even Yokozuna v. Diesel would have been a solid feud but naw they put him in a tag team.
But the big difference between him and Roman is that Diesel was actually over and nobody was booing him as a babyface. Had they done that, Diesel would have been turned a lot sooner.
Was it Colorado or Iowa that you passed through and had one? Not that it matters I just couldn't remember the story you told me.
It was in Iowa somewhere... at some shitty drive-thru.
There was some kind of a play palace for kids or something like that in the same vicinity.
me and my gf were driving cross country from the Pacific Northwest to the glorious New England area a couple of years back and wanted to grab a quick bite on the way through.
It looked better on the menu.
I love loose meat sandwiches.
Undertaker's look before he got speared is the best thing that's happened on Raw since the festival of friendship.
The look on Roman when he got ran over by Braun last week was better. Dudes eyes open up so wide they look like they are gonna fall out.
On the positive side, Braun got mad height on it for a big dude. Looked great.
There is maid rite not to far from me. Never heard of it but will try it out next time I am thru.
It's great when big guys are still young and have their knees.
Last edited by Rancid_Planet; March 22nd, 2017 at 8:47 PM.
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised. Big props to Braun.
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