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    If I was in a top 3 spot I would try to slide down a few spots and pick up a pick or two.

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    Is that even possible?

    I would trade my top 3 pick for a 5, 25 and turn around and have my 20 and 21 in a heartbeat.

    No one would ever do that, though.

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    You can't pick up extra draft picks because then you'd be over your roster size but you can trade an even amount of picks once the draft order is set.

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    I'd probably give up a 1st round and 4th round for a 2nd and 3rd. If you could pick 4 times in the second and third rounds only to lose a 1st round pick, that would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    You can't pick up extra draft picks because then you'd be over your roster size but you can trade an even amount of picks once the draft order is set.
    Fine I trade My 1st and Last pick for a 1st and a 5th. Same principle.

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    I would make that deal. Depends on the exact slotting of course but if I could go from #7 to #3 to get Zeke, I'd give up a 5th rounder I think.

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    On the other hand, Schefter is still beating the drum that Zeke will face a (short) suspension for his alleged domestic violence incident in 2016. Not sure what to make of this at this point. If he did it then it should probably be more than a short suspension but it's one of those tricky situations where he didn't get charged. Good thing the NFL is always so consistent, transparent and timely with their discipline.

    Zeke is such a cuddly guy that no one is looking at him like Ray Rice and Greg Hardy (yet).

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    Did a couple mock drafts over the last few days. 12 team PPR leagues, picking from only the 12th spot. Generally ended up with some combination of Ajayi, Gordon, or Howard for the first two picks before adding a QB or WR with my 3rd and 4th round picks. If one of the top 5 QBs wasn't available in the 3rd round I went WR/RB or RB/RB sleeper pick.

    Didn't love the teams I ended up with and obviously those will be very, very different from what my league drafts but they weren't terrible.

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    Picking in the #2 spot so far in mock drafts, 10 teams, has been my favorite spot.

    I usually end up with L. Bell, A. Cooper and L. Fournette, which is cool with me.

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    Rookie RBs I've been targeting are:

    Fournette
    McCaffrey
    Mixon
    Cook
    Perine
    Williams (GB)

    Any of those I can get in the 4th round I try to take except for Williams. I try to take him a bit later.

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    A few thoughts on our new cornerback Alterraun Verner: I know he was a part-time starter and role player the past 2 years in Tampa Bay. I still expect the fast-rising Xavien Howard to start opposite Byron Maxwell. But Verner is a good veteran presence to push Howard and also has enough experience to fill in if there is an injury.

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    Cardale Jones traded to SD for conditional 7th round pick
    Joe flacco out 3-6 weeks with back injury
    Marcellus Bennett slept on the floor next to his locker last night

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    MIT Mathematics Ph. D. candidate and Ravens offensive lineman John Urschel has retired at 26. Can't really blame him.

    Was he the one from the ESPN commercial where he played 20 games of chess at the same time? That was a cool commercial. I'm fascinated by that level of genius and how the brain works.

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    I imagine it works similarly to ours, just much better.

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    preseason injury szn

    good thing my team on that TB12 training plan

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    Fuller could be a big loss for the Texans.

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    Still don't have much belief that Fuller will ever amount to more than a serviceable specialty option, hate seeing that option shelved half the season nonetheless.

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    they need to get pablo diablo in as offensive coordinator and fuller will explode.

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    Does this increase or decrease the value of Deandre Hopkins in fantasy football?

    Probably decrease...

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    I've little idea of fantasy mechanics/points, but going off of watching this team, this coach, Hopkins himself, factoring either Savage/Watson at qb, the addition of Foreman in the backfield, and the other available options at wr/te minus Fuller, I'd expect something along the lines of ...

    ... his targets remain roughly the same as last year, his catch percentage rises, his ypc levels closer to his career avg but not much more, and somewhere between last years and 10 total rec tds.

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    Happy 40th Birthday Thomas Brady Jr


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    Tom Brady is the New York Yankees in human form.

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    Tannehil went off injured in practice, same left knee doesn't look good for his career now

    Looks like the love/hate with Kaepernick coming to us has just been turned right up.

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    I hope Tannehill is alright. Injury season really is a bear. I have a hard time imagining Kaep signing there though given that he rocked a Castro shirt last year. They might be the one team that legitimately can't sign him because the backlash would be hugely negative.

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    I got attacked on Facebook yesterday for defending Kap. How do you guys feel about him? I think he deserves a second chance. In a recent poll, only 3% of the total surveyed population said they watched LESS, no quit watching, just less football because of him. In a league tainted with child abusers, woman beaters, murderers and rapists, I feel Kap is the least of the NFL's worries, but they don't seem to view it that way.

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    If he can play professional football at a high enough level, I don't have a problem with him being on a team. I couldn't care less about his politics, just like I don't care about the politics of conservative players.

    To be fair though, it's not the NFL that's keeping him out. If an owner doesn't want to sign him because they fear a backlash from fans, that's up to them and the people telling them about their fan demographics.

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    The NFL = the owners

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    I thought he meant the NFL = the commissioner. Just misinterpreted it.

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    I hope he gets on miami and lights it up. Tired of hearing about taking a knee is the worst thing ever. He is a credible backup on most teams at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAle View Post
    I thought he meant the NFL = the commissioner. Just misinterpreted it.
    You're not wrong... I'm talking broad strokes. Goodell is a puppet for the owners, like when deflategate was happening it was Goodell making the moves but he was doing what the owners told him. In this case though, you're right it's the individual owners who might be blocking their GMs from signing him. But if the NFL did actually blacklist him, it wouldn't be because Goodell decided it. It would be because the owners decided it and implemented it via Goodell.

    So yea just semantics really, but to me owners and commissioner are one and the same in this particular league (different in other leagues like NBA).

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    Goodell is a joke. As Fro said, he is a puppet.

    Kap's numbers alone in his medium sample size speak to his ability.

    If he isn't with Miami or Baltimore by end of camp, it's a disappointment.

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    Looks like Tannehill is okay. No structural damage just a hyperextension of the knee. Could be ready for the regular season (that part is my own analysis).

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    Kaep's simply not good enough to outweigh his distraction. I don't particularly give a shit one way or another about his politics, as I think he's a paper tiger on his stances, but I also don't blame any one or another owner for shrugging and passing on him. He's not taking a team anywhere and there will certainly be baggage attached to him. Just ain't worth it.

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    Yes just heard the news about Tannehill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    Kaep's simply not good enough to outweigh his distraction. I don't particularly give a shit one way or another about his politics, as I think he's a paper tiger on his stances, but I also don't blame any one or another owner for shrugging and passing on him. He's not taking a team anywhere and there will certainly be baggage attached to him. Just ain't worth it.
    Kaep not being in the NFL is a fucking joke, I really hope he's got a collusion lawsuit in the works against the NFL owners..

    Here are ten starting NFL QBs from last Fall: Bortles, Bradford, Siemian, Osweiler, Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill, Smith, Flacco, Dalton. Absolutely none of them would strike fear into me, if I were an opposing Defensive Co-ordinator, I am definitely not losing sleep over facing them or trying to design a game plan to stop them. Is Colin going to lead the league in passing yards/TDs and carry his team to a Super Bowl? Probably not. But he damn sure deserves to be in the mix for a roster spot...

    I have been on record since forever as not being a fan of Colin the NFL starting QB, but I respect the hell out of the stance he took last season, particularly as a pending free agent. It would have been so easy for him to "mind his manners and respect the flag", in the hope he got another short term contract and a chance to compete for a starter spot in the Fall...

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    How are you sure they're colluding?

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    "Now if you told me this guy threw eight pick-sixes last year and played like a bum, had no talent, that’s one thing. But Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett or whoever is playing for the Jets right now – whoever is starting for the Jets is terrible – have jobs. You’re telling me fans would rather you lose and put a worse player out there because a guy took a stand?"

    I love this quote by Richard Sherman.

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    Welp now Schefter is reporting the Dolphins fear Tannehill will need season ending surgery after all. We should probably wait until something's official but doesn't sound good anymore.

    Tannehill must decide whether he wants to wait at least six weeks to let it heal and take another shot at playing, or go ahead and have the surgery, which would end his season. The Dolphins recognize they might have to step in and recommend the surgery that Tannehill has avoided since he initially injured the knee last December against Arizona. One source said Thursday that, because Tannehill did not repair his partially torn ACL during the offseason, his knee was "a ticking time bomb that was going to go off at any time."

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    Yeah think we will say get surgery and he'll be done for the season.

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    Somewhere in Tampa Bay, Miko Grimes is doing a happy dance.

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    Cutler to Miami.

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3384089

    Patriots are already sending out AFC Championship tickets out to certain season ticket holders. They seriously need to get upset in the divisional round.

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    Seems reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Seems reasonable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAle View Post
    Somewhere in Tampa Bay, Miko Grimes is doing a happy dance.
    Hate her with a passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    Cutler to Miami.
    NO PLEASE GOD FUCK NO.

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    I thought Cutler to Miami was a funny joke by HB but they're really in negotiations?? Damn. That would be fun actually. I didn't think Cutler wanted to play. Felt like he withdrew his name early, before he could even get suitors. But it makes sense... he gets to join his former offensive coordinator on a playoff team and live in Miami for a year.

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    But he's brutal though, I'm really gutted if he ends up with us. Just start Matt Moore for gods sake.

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    I love me some Jason Taylor. Glad he's going into the hall tonight. One of my all-time favourite Dolphins.

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    I second that.

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    And his sister's hot.

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    I'm sure we've had this discussion before at some point but since it's HOF induction night... what active players are Hall of Famers? There are the veteran guys who have already secured their place but also, what young players do you think will get there over time? The Ringer just had a good little article about how our HOF criteria will need to adjust based on the crazy offensive numbers being put up: https://theringer.com/nfl-2017-hall-...s-a018f054798d

    My take:

    QB: Brady, Brees & Rodgers are locks. Big Ben is in too. Eli is on the bubble - he wouldn't get my vote as I've previously stated but will probably get in eventually. It is the hall of fame after all, not the hall of being great, and when you win 2 dramatic super bowls you are clearly a memorable player from your era. Russ Wilson would have to be the next on this list. If he gets a 2nd ring as a starter, he'd be in. Career 99 passer rating plus a lot of rushing yards - definitely a HOF pedigree if he can stay healthy.

    WR: I'd say Larry Fitzgerald is in (not 1st ballot but in). AB isn't a lock yet but close. Odell is on an early HOF track. Julio Jones has a chance for sure.

    TE: Witten is a lock. Gronk is on his way - health is the only thing that could stop him from getting there. Antonio Gates is on the bubble. Greg Olsen is an interesting one. I'd say he's on the bubble and if he had won a title with Carolina a couple years ago, I might put him in. He's had a strange career arc - his age 29-30-31 seasons have been the best of his career. Let's see if he can keep it up.

    RB: AP is a lock. Frank Gore too, probably, based on his longevity and consistency. LeSean McCoy has a shot if he keeps putting up #s. Then obviously guys like Zeke and DJ look like maybe they could be on track but have so far to go.

    Defense: Demarcus Ware just retired so he isn't active, but he's in. Barring a crazy injury Von Miller and JJ Watt will get in too. Revis is in for me. Richard Sherman is bubble. At safety, do we think Earl Thomas will get in? Or Eric Berry? Both have a shot I'd say. Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald are both on an early HOF track. Julius Peppers?

    Offensive Line: This is where I admittedly have no clue. Joe Thomas would seem to be a lock. Marshall Yanda, maybe? I just read something about how he's the consensus best guard in the game. Jason Peters?

    Thoughts?

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    Don't sleep on AJ Green. He is one of the best receivers in the league playing on a small market team. Green will one day become only the 3rd Cincinnati Bengal to make the HOF.

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    if jason witten is a lock to you, how is gates on the bubble? top 30 in yards, tied with gonzalez for most TD's by a TE, which he will likely take over this upcoming season, putting him in sole position of the number 6 spot on the all time TD reception list, and if he has a couple more good seasons he could overtake marvin harrison. and all that with only 897 career receptions. dude is a beast.

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    Greg Olsen has also been another consistently good TE. I'd put him in.

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    gates basically changed what everyone looked for in a TE

    no gates = no gronk

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    Disagree. No Shannon Sharpe, no Gronk. Sharpe changed the way defenses play the TE position. Tony G followed, then you had guys like Gates and Jimmy G. Shannon started the TE revolution.

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    Sharpe was a bit of anomally for quite a bit. It wasn't until Gates that the entire league, basically, were looking for less blocking and more athletic big man with speed. my memory may be off, but Sharpe was big, great route runner and had great hands, but he didn't have the athleticism of Gates (i was gonna bring up speed, but that is more of a newer think with Gronk. i would put Gates and Sharpe in the same area for speed). teams were literally signing former college basketball power forwards and centers to see if they can get their own Gates.

    Tony Gonzalez was consistent and had a long career, i think he is overrated. most of his career in kc had him as the #1 option, (which i know can be an argument for him, in a way). tons of targets and red zone opportunities. their rbs did have good production with his time on the chiefs, but, when the box was stacked, tony was the only option. they were dink and dunk most of the time he was there.
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    but im not biased or anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    I'm sure we've had this discussion before at some point but since it's HOF induction night... what active players are Hall of Famers? There are the veteran guys who have already secured their place but also, what young players do you think will get there over time? The Ringer just had a good little article about how our HOF criteria will need to adjust based on the crazy offensive numbers being put up: https://theringer.com/nfl-2017-hall-...s-a018f054798d

    My take:

    QB: Brady, Brees & Rodgers are locks. Big Ben is in too. Eli is on the bubble - he wouldn't get my vote as I've previously stated but will probably get in eventually. It is the hall of fame after all, not the hall of being great, and when you win 2 dramatic super bowls you are clearly a memorable player from your era. Russ Wilson would have to be the next on this list. If he gets a 2nd ring as a starter, he'd be in. Career 99 passer rating plus a lot of rushing yards - definitely a HOF pedigree if he can stay healthy.

    WR: I'd say Larry Fitzgerald is in (not 1st ballot but in). AB isn't a lock yet but close. Odell is on an early HOF track. Julio Jones has a chance for sure.

    TE: Witten is a lock. Gronk is on his way - health is the only thing that could stop him from getting there. Antonio Gates is on the bubble. Greg Olsen is an interesting one. I'd say he's on the bubble and if he had won a title with Carolina a couple years ago, I might put him in. He's had a strange career arc - his age 29-30-31 seasons have been the best of his career. Let's see if he can keep it up.

    RB: AP is a lock. Frank Gore too, probably, based on his longevity and consistency. LeSean McCoy has a shot if he keeps putting up #s. Then obviously guys like Zeke and DJ look like maybe they could be on track but have so far to go.

    Defense: Demarcus Ware just retired so he isn't active, but he's in. Barring a crazy injury Von Miller and JJ Watt will get in too. Revis is in for me. Richard Sherman is bubble. At safety, do we think Earl Thomas will get in? Or Eric Berry? Both have a shot I'd say. Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald are both on an early HOF track. Julius Peppers?

    Offensive Line: This is where I admittedly have no clue. Joe Thomas would seem to be a lock. Marshall Yanda, maybe? I just read something about how he's the consensus best guard in the game. Jason Peters?

    Thoughts?
    Gregg Rosenthal did a piece on this subject the other day:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...of-fame-bubble

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...miami-dolphins

    No collusion against Colin Kaepernick though, right? A retired Jay Cutler is so much better...

    EDIT: One year, $10M.
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    FUCK OFF Jay Cutler though, really? I hope Gase can make him good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...miami-dolphins

    No collusion against Colin Kaepernick though, right? A retired Jay Cutler is so much better...

    EDIT: One year, $10M.
    Where's the collusion part though?

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    Cutler and Matt Moore on the same team. GUNSLINGERS

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    Where's the collusion part though?
    Really? You being purposely obtuse, bro?

    Colin can't even get a single camp invite or a workout with Miami, but that scrub who's been retired for three months can get up off the couch and get paid $10M to start week one? Caman...

    The Dolphins are going to be a trainwreck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    Really? You being purposely obtuse, bro?

    Colin can't even get a single camp invite or a workout with Miami, but that scrub who's been retired for three months can get up off the couch and get paid $10M to start week one? Caman...

    The Dolphins are going to be a trainwreck.
    Are you ignoring that owners, of their own independent concern, perhaps just don't want the drama?

    And it's not like he's a guaranteed difference maker. Was Ray Rice colluded against too, or did owners on their own just not think he's enough of a contributor to outweigh the headache?

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    Quote Originally Posted by percussion13 View Post
    Are you ignoring that owners, of their own independent concern, perhaps just don't want the drama?

    And it's not like he's a guaranteed difference maker. Was Ray Rice colluded against too, or did owners on their own just not think he's enough of a contributor to outweigh the headache?
    What. Drama? He took a knee during the anthem. That is not remotely comparable to Rice/a DUI arrest/whatever...

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    The Gase-Cutler connection from Chicago, when Cutler had a career year with Gase OC'ing is why he was signed over Kaep. Not really collusion, just history. He knows Gase's offense which will speed him along this late in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    What. Drama? He took a knee during the anthem. That is not remotely comparable to Rice/a DUI arrest/whatever...
    So you're ignoring the consumer backlash over the incident then? And on the incident, I personally have no problem with what he did, at all. But it isn't about whether or not I personally, or the owners in fact personally, agree/disagree with his stance on the issue. It's merely a business decision. Why should the owners pay for his stance if the return on their investment (his play) is marginal at best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeSplitter View Post
    The Gase-Cutler connection from Chicago, when Cutler had a career year with Gase OC'ing is why he was signed over Kaep. Not really collusion, just history. He knows Gase's offense which will speed him along this late in the game.
    Yeah I agree with this anyone who thinks otherwise don't really understand football.

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    Cutler was a good signing for Miami. Hopefully he doesn't disrupt the locker room too much. I'm excited for the potential competition in the AFC East this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    Cutler was a good signing for Miami. Hopefully he doesn't disrupt the locker room too much. I'm excited for the potential competition in the AFC East this year.
    Is this supposed to be sarcastic? Has there really been much competition in the AFC East in the last 15 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    What. Drama? He took a knee during the anthem. That is not remotely comparable to Rice/a DUI arrest/whatever...
    There is additional drama in Miami since he went out and praised Castro. The mother of my children is half Cuban. Her mother and grandparents escaped from Cuba. They grew up in Miami and are all Dolphins fans. All 3 said they would be done with Miami of he was signed there.

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    Kaepernick is 100% not signed because of the controversy surrounding his protests and public statements. There's just no getting around it when you look at all the much worse quarterbacks being signed. Remove the protests from the equation and he's on a roster for a couple million per year right now. Some of the owners are personally offended by what he did, others are worried about fan backlash or problems in the locker room over it. I don't like it and I'd say the same thing if a player weren't getting signed because of their conservative political views. It's sad that Riley Cooper was somehow less odious after making racist comments, or Greg Hardy after beating the shit out of his girlfriend, or Ben Roethlisberger after being accused of rape by multiple women.

    That said, there's logic to Miami bringing in Cutler instead due to Cutler's relationship with Adam Gase. I don't know if it's the right move but it at least makes some sense.

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    When you make political statements they can affect your business. Same for any of us. Public perception is important. That's the way it works.

    He should at the very least be a third string quarterback. No chance there are like 100 QBs better than him, but teams don't want to deal with the headache and that's perfectly fine. Them's the breaks.

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    Also as an aside I love the more conservative people who say, "What happened to freedom of speech?" when someone gets in trouble they agree with, but with someone like Kaep think he should never work again.

    Again, that's just how it works.

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    If Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Russell Wilson, or Dak Prescott sat during the anthem they would all be on a roster without skipping a beat, so Kaepernick is not on a roster not 100% because of his protest. His marginal play is likewise a factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot View Post
    Also as an aside I love the more conservative people who say, "What happened to freedom of speech?" when someone gets in trouble they agree with, but with someone like Kaep think he should never work again.

    Again, that's just how it works.
    Don't want to derail the thread, but agreed 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    Is this supposed to be sarcastic? Has there really been much competition in the AFC East in the last 15 years?
    The Dolphins finished 10-6 last year and were a team on the rise. It's not sarcasm, it's fact. The AFC East looked like a division that with it's top 2 teams, could provide a little more excitement this year. The Dolphins are a solid team, and I am hoping that the loss of Tannehill, and addition of Cutler, doesn't disrupt their progress.

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    The Dolphins were incredibly lucky in close games last year and were likely to fall off even before Tannehill's injury. Cutler is better than Matt Moore but still a low end starter at this point. I'd be pretty shocked to see the Dolphins back in the playoffs this year. Weak division is the only thing that will help them, not expecting a lot from the Jets or the Bills.

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    Jay Cutler has faced the Patriots three times, and his teams have lost all three games by a combined score of 128-37

    In a miraculous turn of events, the Patriots have clinched the AFC East before the first preseason game!

    jk but yea I don't see the AFC East being the least bit competitive, unfortunately. The Cutler signing isn't bad, I think I would prefer him to Kaepernick all things being equal but would probably take $2 million Kaep over $10 million Cutler. The Dolphins were likely to regress this season anyway (they scored 17 fewer points than their opponents last year despite finishing 10-6) and this obviously hurts. Should be a snoozer of a division this year: Pats 14-2, Dolphins 7-9, Bills 7-9, Jets 2-14.

    I truly wish there was a strong division rival at this point. No fun when your 6 division games are the least exciting ones on your schedule.

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    I assume those three games were when he was with the Bears?

    Of course they won by a bunch, the Bears have been trash. The Dolphins have way more talent than the Bears do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    The Dolphins finished 10-6 last year and were a team on the rise. It's not sarcasm, it's fact. The AFC East looked like a division that with it's top 2 teams, could provide a little more excitement this year. The Dolphins are a solid team, and I am hoping that the loss of Tannehill, and addition of Cutler, doesn't disrupt their progress.
    There will be no competition whatsoever to the Patriots in the AFC East. Last year they won the division by 4 games. They improved quite a bit in the offseason.

    I predict the Patriots win the division this year by at least 4 games, if not 5. It will be clinched by late November/Early December.

    The Patriots went into Miami last year and destroyed them when the Patriots didn't have much to play for and the Dolphins were still fighting for a playoff spot.

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    Also, if Jay Cutler is your quarterback I wouldn't expect to win much. In his career he has won 1 postseason game.

    He never even made a bowl game in college, which is kind of hard to do if you are a top tier quarterback in college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdestiny View Post
    I assume those three games were when he was with the Bears?

    Of course they won by a bunch, the Bears have been trash. The Dolphins have way more talent than the Bears do.
    Two of those times when he lost he was actually on pretty good teams. In 2008 he was with the Broncos. They were all set up for a playoff spot that year, until they collapsed down the stretch. In 2010 his Bears team actually had the 2 seed.

    If Cutler plays both games against the Patriots it is two pretty much guaranteed wins for NE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Law View Post
    The Dolphins were incredibly lucky in close games last year and were likely to fall off even before Tannehill's injury. Cutler is better than Matt Moore but still a low end starter at this point. I'd be pretty shocked to see the Dolphins back in the playoffs this year. Weak division is the only thing that will help them, not expecting a lot from the Jets or the Bills.
    Nah sorry disagree in what games were we lucky in the close games? Only one I can think off is maybe the Cardinals one when they missed a kick to level it I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Badger View Post
    The Dolphins finished 10-6 last year and were a team on the rise. It's not sarcasm, it's fact. The AFC East looked like a division that with it's top 2 teams, could provide a little more excitement this year. The Dolphins are a solid team, and I am hoping that the loss of Tannehill, and addition of Cutler, doesn't disrupt their progress.


    I have every confidence in Gase we'll push Patriots for top spot this season.

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    "Luck" doesn't mean something crazy happens, more just that teams rarely win close games year after year. Last year the Dolphins went 7-2 in close games (7 points or less). Odds are that they'll regress to the mean and be closer to .500 in close games this year, or if they're unlucky they could have a bad record in close games. So to go 10-6 again they're going to have to be a better team if they're not lucky in close games again. And losing their starting QB is a bad start.

    As someone pointed out, they were outscored by their opponents last year despite going 10-6. That suggests a record more like 7-9 or 8-8 than a playoff spot, but they were able to make plays at the right time. Maybe they've got some kind of special skill to pull out close games...or maybe it was just a fluke. Usually it's a fluke, there's some evidence that teams with superstar QBs do better in close games (makes sense, those games often come down to needing a drive at the end of the game and having a great QB you'd expect to get it done on those drives more frequently).

    Number one thing I look for in predicting teams that will rise or fall is how they did in close games the previous year. Teams that won most of their close games are likely to fall back to the pack, teams that lost most of their close games likely to improve. Point differential is a good stat to look at too, point differential should correlate with wins and losses. So when you have a team that went 10-6 despite being outscored by their opponents you expect them to get worse the next year.

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    Good point.

    But we had a few injuries to key players and still won games. Our schedule is harder but I think we'll still have a winning season as the team will be better under Gase 2nd season around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post


    I have every confidence in Gase we'll push Patriots for top spot this season.
    What exactly do you mean by push the Patriots? I would be shocked if the Dolphins finished within 3 games of the Patriots. I think what is more likely is that the Dolphins finish 5-6 games behind the Patriots.

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    I'm not trying to pile on the Dolphins, happy to let their fans have their preseason optimism as most teams have, but what's up with their defense? While their offense should be solid (even with Cutler), I look at the defensive stats last year - 18th in points allowed, 29th in yards allowed - and wonder if that will be enough to field a playoff contender. Did they upgrade anywhere?

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    Yes mainly a fit Reshad Jones will be back at Safety. Linebacker we've got better in signing Lawrence Timmons and drafting
    Raekwon McMillan to go with Kiko Alonso to help stop the run. Maxwell and especially Howard are solid CB's with good back ups to step in and of course Wake, Suh, Hayes, Harris(really impressed with him in camp) & co at the line but that wasn't our problem last seson it was the secondary.

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    I'm really happy with our defense now going into the new season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfanatic View Post
    What exactly do you mean by push the Patriots? I would be shocked if the Dolphins finished within 3 games of the Patriots. I think what is more likely is that the Dolphins finish 5-6 games behind the Patriots.
    As in challenge for our division.

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    Hope he gets to Canton..

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    There are a lot of players (as in pretty much everyone) who would get roasted for doing an advertisement for their retirement announcement but Vince is just so damn sweet and likable.

    As for Canton, I'd like to see it but it's probably unlikely. He was an incredible run stuffer, so often drawing double teams and clogging up the line. Almost like you had an extra lineman out there when he was on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
    As in challenge for our division.
    You really don' t think they will challenge them do you? It wasn' t close last year. Why would it be this year?

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    The Dolphins being 29th in yards and only 18th in points allowed is another of those stats suggesting they get worse this year. They were fortunate to allow so few points last year despite giving up a ton of yards.

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