Originally Posted by Murphy
That sucks that it's only going to be 30 min. Are we getting another match besides the final?
That sucks that it's only going to be 30 min. Are we getting another match besides the final?
Nope, just one match, according to reports I've read... Sorry don't remember the exact source.
Yep, Alpha Female/Kay Lee Ray/Tessa Blanchard v. Santana Garrett/Sarah Logan/Marti Belle. Also features a special guest commentator that I won't reveal unless it's already been spoken.
Interesting because Santana Garrett was on social media telling people to make sure they tune in for the finale to see her 6-woman tag match.
That was the one after Raw last night, as her tweets said. It's on the network.
Good on her because when I read it I thought she was confused and meant to say Smackdown on her Instagram. Thanks for clearing that up, makes sense now.
why does it suck? It's only one match. Do you expect them to go 60 min? 5 minute hype before the match and 5 minute celebration after. 15-20 minutes is just fine for a finals considering no other match went over 15 in the tourney.
Because the CWC Finals was a mini PPV and it was awesome.
You also have to remember it was at Full Sail and not in front of a huge crowd after Smackdown like this will be. The women are going to be wrestling in front of ten thousand people. Hardly sucks for them.
But as a fan, not the performer, which last I checked most of us don't really factor in what a wrestling might think of something as often as we'd like to pretend, then maybe it does suck only having a half hour. Why are you taking Sasori saying 30 mins sucks as a negative? He wants more, what's wrong with having more? I'd rather have an hour MYC event and they could have cancelled the 205 Live show this week in favor of it.
Also, it's the safe route going with just the finals. As PP said, this is likely after a Smackdown taping that could be rather good so the crowd likely won't have a lot left in the tank. If it's a flat show, matches that don't mean anything won't likely help the cause. This isn't a knock, but the CWC had talent and production value. I think the MYC has production value and sometimes hit or miss talent in terms of match productivity. You know you'll get something out of the Finals unless it's a complete mess.
I just don't see the issue with giving a finals match 30 minutes after a Smackdown show? This isn't in front of 500 people. It's in front of 10 thousand, maybe more. You want them to sit through 30 minutes of video packages and hype before the match or a match with zero heat? I would venture of bet most of them end up leaving then. 30 minutes is a perfect amount of time here. I still don't see why a full 30 minutes is an issue whatsoever.
Well...
Nash took the words out of my mouth. I just wanted more wrestling.
This does seems like they're taking the safe route. Ever since they started 205 Live, they've got this chunk of time set aside after Smackdown to do a live show. Instead of giving the Women their own Special on another night, they make it easier for themselves by slapping in on after Smackdown. Hopefully the crowd is into it.
You are making it seem like a negative that these women get to perform in front of more people. If I was one of the talent in the finals, I would rather have the finals after Smackdown then an hour special at Full sail.
Slapping in on after Smackdown seems like a slight. I don't see it as that. It's still an upgrade from being live to tape in Full Sail. It's a bigger audience and this is strictly for the two people in the match. The tapings were basically for everyone involved and some people got a rub along the way, but this is strictly for the finalists.
I'm not expecting a hot 30 minutes, but I'm guessing it's somewhere inbetween that and the most engaged audience 205 Live has ever had.
I think you're making it a bigger issue than it really is being made out to be. I personally agree, it sucks we only get 30 minutes when it could be something more. That's not taking away from the one argument you're sitting on, the people in the crowd. I'll say this, there are times where I bet there are wrestlers who wish they were wrestling in front of 5-600 rabid, engaging fans of all walks of life (peep the 2 senior citizens in the front row of the MYC to the little girl to the hot chick to the fat smark) than 8,000 fans where 7,980 of them are on the way out 15 minutes before SD's main event even starts. Obviously I'm being a smart ass but you get what I'm saying.
Personally, I think it's better to have the finals in front of 500 rabid fans than in front of 10,000 who could give mixed reactions. In the end, none of this really matters because it's on the Network and only a small number of people are going to be watching it. Unless there's dead silence, holding the finals in front of the Smackdown crowd shouldn't effect the quality of the match.
Yep. Both women have performed in front of larger crowds than Full Sail and tonight. Personally, I would have put the finals on Smackdown. Ronda Rousey is going to be there, and while I'm not 100% sure her drawing power is even a 10th of what it used to be especially in the wrestling bubble, she's still a name that might draw people in who are just fans of Rousey, not fans of MMA, wrestling, but fans of Ronda Rousey. Even if she's just in the crowd. They could even leak that picture of the 2 Horsewomen factions giving each other the evil eye haha.
And again, this isn't a slight against the decision they went with, just us freestyling what we might have preferred.
Time zone difference. It will only be 7pm there. I expect them to maintain attendance.
Good point
It's not like this is the first time they've done a show outside the Eastern Time Zone though. My comment isn't so much about them being there forever I just mean that going by a ton of fan reports over X amount of time is that generally people are leaving during the main event. This is true for shows in Cali, Iowa, Michigan, and everywhere else. Not every show but a lot of them. Just watch 205 Live, you can see the difference.
Well, that puts the onus on Vince to structure Smackdown well. The participants in last night's main event, most of them, are extremely over but that basically felt like a glorified house show match.
This is true. But I can see why they decided to hold the Mae Young finals on the west coast. It makes a lot of sense.
In hopes that people will stay because it's a show not getting over at 1030? I can definitely see that being a reason.
OMG that kick from Shayna.
Surprised they didn't announce this for the NXT title. Good stuff so far.
Beautiful
Awesome. Was worried this was all gonna be a way to further the horsewomen factions. Sane is great. Can't wait for Sane vs Asuka.
I'm glad things went so smoothly. They had a great match and the crowd was hot
Brilliant. Really great storytelling there. Best match for Baszler.
What else can be said about Sane? Great work in this tournament and super happy for her. She should be the next huge female star if the writers don't fuck it up
This is probably the thing I was happiest about. Really great hearing them really get into itI'm glad things went so smoothly. They had a great match and the crowd was hot
She should do fine in NXT, but no idea how she'll fair on the main roster. We'll have to see how they handle Asuka.
She's got more of an underdog feel to her. Hopefully she can get the crowd behind her with that.
Sane > Bayley and Sasha
Really liked the presentation last night. I was going into the match kind of curious how they would book it if Sane was going to win. I thought they did a nice job with it. Felt like they got over with the crowd as the match progressed, which is a really great sign. The match quality over the tournament was kind of hit or miss in portions, but I thought the tournament as a whole was really enjoyable.
That was a great match last night. I was a little worried how it would go and how they would book it but I thought they both did a great job. As someone said the crowd was hot for the match. It was really fun to watch.
I did like how the crowd was a little burned out from watching Vince get killed and so this match had to wake them up and they did just that. That's very hard to do in the WWE environment. The crowd more often than not can be very pre-match judgmental where if they automatically think it's going to suck they just sit on their hands. If they think it's going to be great, they're hot from the jump. Last night those 2 women went out and put on a performance. Very good work.
Not to nitpick (maybe a little), but Sane taunts just a bit too long setting up her stuff for my taste, after some pretty minor set-up moves. It hurts the illusion a little bit when her opponent has to lay there selling for long periods of time. I like her work. I just wish she would speed it up a bit. Toni Storm had to sell a standing elbow drop while she taunted in the ring, then on the apron, then again before climbing the ropes, and then again on the top rope. She finally dropped the elbow like thirty seconds later. She wasn't bad about it last night, but it was pretty glaring in the previous rounds.
Overall, they were great last night and the crowd was a lot better than I expected.
Anyone know if Toni Storm, Piper Niven or Mercedes Martinez are actually signed to WWE deals?
That intro from Lilian.
That was lovely though. Can't fault the final at all. Well done WWE for not fucking it up. Less shots of Ronda at ringside too.
I think I may have seen Toni Storm on the stage during the farewell to Asuka last week on NXT I did see Kari Saine, Bianca Bel Air and Dakota Kai, im sure most of them will get signed they are pretty awesome.
The women's division on NXT should be about to get bloody good.
When they originally announced this tournament I was skeptical that they would try to put over their pure performance centre trained NXT signees, so it was cool to see only Lacey Evans and Bianca Bel Air went over in the first round. I thought Reina Gonzalez was the only bad one from this bunch, very clunky and static. The other 3 were pretty good by PC standards IMO.
I think of the 20 unsigned indie girls from the tournament, it's only Marti Belle I have really no interest in seeing again. Big YES to Tessa Blanchard, Piper Niven, Jazzy Gabert, Kay Lee Ray, Dakota Kai, Shayna Baszler, and Mia Yim. Loved everything about these ladies. Mercedes Martinez had really won me over by her third match. It's just Toni Storm I can't get behind. She's technically good in the ring, nothing super-outstanding as hyped but not terrible. Everything else about her, the look and the attitude, I personally just find off-putting and obnoxious, and not in the intended reaction to a kayfabe character kind of way. Then again, I initially had a similar aversion to Chris Jericho. At least he didn't wear a STUPID FUCKING MINI-HAT.
Other major love for Abbey Laith and Kairi Sane, but that one goes without saying. Very exciting prospects all-round from this.
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That Sane girl is lucky she weights 100 pounds or so, I think her hip would've been shattered by now from that Insane elbow drop otherwise. As a Randy Savage mark I'm glad to have two great elbow drop finishers, one female version via Kairi Sane and one (sort of) male version via Velveteen Dream.
Didn't watch the MYC (had the finals spoilered via mmafighting.com) but caught the finals and it was pretty good, see some great potential in both ladies. Sane is kind of a tiny, high flying underdog ala Rey Mysterio I guess.
Main page says they scrapped the Horsewoman angle for now to let Sane have her moment.
Good move.
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I love how she throws her legs up mid-air, it makes it look like gravity's pulling her down from a greater height sort of thing. Not keen on the name though.
And to think a few months ago we were concerned when it was alleged that they didn't want her to do it because Bayley was using an elbow.
I thought the "news" was that they would have Bayley ditch the move because Kairi used it, not the other way around.
Watched the finale last night with the wife. Great show. Loved how they presented it and loved that the crowd was into it, especially after sitting through SD prior. If I had one complaint, it's that I thought the match was a bit too short and could have benefited from another few minutes. Just felt like it could have gone up a notch higher than it did. Also, I'm not overly keen on the thing where the opponent works over the body part that's used for the finisher and then they hit their finisher to win anyway. Having said that, it was still very good regardless. Love how Baszler was built up as Lady Lesnar. And Sane is just perfection, as I've said before.
What I found odd was that they showed Asuka in the crowd next two the WWE Horsewomen and didn't acknowledge her whatsoever. Almost like they weren't supposed to catch her on camera.
Reminds me of SD when they showed Dana after DZ's 'tribute', I don't think that was planned
haha yeah it was almost like wait a minute that's not Sasha Banks.
Really? I thought that it was planned in a way to show the disgust Dana had toward Dolph doing it. And I"ll admit the other day I took it a step further thinking she probably was shooting from the hip with her tweet toward Dolph but the more I think of it I'm sure of 1 of 2 things after watching SD this weekend. Either she knew what was going to happen and is playing it up, or they didn't tell her so they could get a natural reaction out of her.Reminds me of SD when they showed Dana after DZ's 'tribute', I don't think that was planned
I think the second option is the most likely.
So who wants to take bets on signees? Wonderful news about Baszler. I saw it coming, but it would have been an outright shame to leave her off the roster. A good number of the tournament participants were already signed. Xia Li, Abbey Laith, Bianca Belair, Dakota Kai, Lacey Evans, Reina Gonzalez, Rhea Ripley, Sage Beckett, Sarah Logan, Taynara Conti, Vanessa Bourne, and Zeda(Damn). So I don't know if they have much more room to sign more than maybe four more. I bet they end up going with Piper and Candice for sure, but I can see Mia Yim and Mercedes Martinez being a priority. I would love Toni Storm, but I get the sneaky feeling she was tournament-exclusive. Jazzy Gabert needs to be seriously looked at.
I'm predicting Piper, Candice, and Gabert for sure as sooner signings, but I can see the other three getting contracts a few years later.
They better sign Jazzy or I'm putting together a crew to storm Stamford...
Regardless if they're already in the NXT pipeline:
Belair
LaRae
Kai
Gabert
Sane
Evans
Martinez
Yim
Niven
Evers
Ripley
Deeb
Baszler
Blanchard
Storm
Clearly that's too many, haha.
Pretty sure she was already signed before the MYC finished. I remember Meltzer mentioning her name when he went through who was signed.
I don't think so. I missed this post but I made a comment in the Women's thread that they should be looking to beef up the main roster if they want to have tag-team titles or just to get some fresh faces in the mix. Weed out the garbage in both NXT and WWE. I'm sorry Liv Morgan but you're just not good, at all, probably because you're too busy worrying about doing it for the grams. But you look at that last and the WWE are definitely not shy about snatching up talent to prevent other promotions from having really really good wrestlers.
Yeah, i just saw a blurb on Jazzy's wikipedia article that said she was signed but it was basically someone plugging a youtube channel or something while mentioning Meltzer saying it, so i was skeptical. Would be curious what that list is, though.
Liv never impressed me. Her Gal Pal, Peyton Royce, is much better.
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