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He won't do it but Strachan should be making big changes for tonight. Bannon and Phillips are shit and Forrest has never kicked a ball for Scotland. We looked a lot better when Martin came on and allowed Griffiths to go deep and play a bit so I'd start Martin, Anya and McGregor and drop Phillips, Forrest and Bannon. Maybe even change to a 3-5-2 with Tierney in a more comfortable left centre back position. Fuck it. Whatever we do, we can't play that midfield 5 again.
I thought Bannan was good against Slovakia, especially second half, best I've seen him play for Scotland.
They were all shit, Bannan especially.
Bannan is quality. Anya should be starting, that's such a pedestrian XI.
Only the back 4 have positions
IGriffiths!
Bannan is shite for Scotland. He's done ok tonight but I'd still rather have McGregor who is an actual good player. Leigh Griffiths is Scotland's best player and he just proved it there. 9/10 players for any team would've ballooned that over the bar.Originally Posted by Alex
40 minutes left to wake the fuck up and grab another.
Fuck's sake, here we go again.
This can be the impetus to rebuild around Tom Cairney.
Scotland have shit the bed here.
Fletcher at fault for the opener and misses that chance there but McArthur gets hooked alright then
Come onnnnn!
Haha that's unreal from Fletcher
Harry Kane's last minute equaliser is going to do Scotland in.
Berra is crap and an idiot. Cost them a minutes injury time there.
So stupid. The player then gets a red and Berra goes back again to argue with him.
Threw it away.
That's a shame.
We were absolute pish tonight, didn't deserve anything. Matt Phillips is a useless cunt, no idea why he's even in our squad.
It was dire. First half was pish except Griffiths goal and we went to sleep at the start of the second half, Fletcher was an idiot and their equaliser looked like a training ground effort. The only real urgency came way too late. his Strachan was odd with his substitutions and timing, he's also an idiot.
He can get to fuck and it'll be Moyes in.
The more I think about it, the more I don't want Moyes. All our managers are crap we need to push the boat out for an actual good appointment.
Ally McCoist?
Tony Adams
James McLean drilled that like it was a poppy on the Queen's face.
Top celebration by the Serb.
Duffy and Clark will eat these crap crosses alive.
They'll probably get France in the playoffs now.
Wales are dreadful without Bale. All the shit talked about Coleman, there's no substitue for having one of the top 5 attacking players in world football in your team.
They rely on Bale, Allen and that 5 at the back formation and they lost all three. You've got to be a special kind of idiot to play Andy King as a winger. Ramsey is a liability when he plays like that but what choice did he have when he looks round at his passing options.
Nice to Ashley Williams isnt just a fat useless mess for Everton.
That was unnecessarily stressful. We are dogshite.
what are Wales and USA chances of qualifying atm?
I would have Wales down at 0 percent
oh ok, I thought Wales win over Georgia ment they could sustain a loss to Ireland
I cant follow all these standings
Nah afraid not, Are you Welsh in some way?
nope,
USA USA USA
I do like Wales though, they always have dramatic games
USA just needs a draw against T&T I'm pretty sure.
Aye, unless Panama beat Costa Rica by 7 and USA lose then USA go through.
Holland/Sweden should be a laugh tonight, Holland need to win by 7 to go through. So if history means anything, Sweden will go 1-0 up inside seven seconds with a goal from a balding postman.
Could be a World Cup without Holland and Argentina imagine that.
Just imagine!!!
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Imagine scotland not being there....oh wait
AH FUCK GOOD ONE!!!!
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USA gone. Holy shit biscuits.
Means we play Honduras for the last spot.
Well...that didn't go as the US would have anticipated.
Trinidad and Tobago, Mexico, Honduras, Costa Rica and Panama all added to the Travel Ban.
I'm actually beyond shocked. How does the US not beat Trinidad?
Granted I did not want them to have to play that playoff game and take away Bradley and Altidore for another game.
We have the NFL. Let's not worry about them not qualifying.
Jesus fucking Christ.
The USA have been abject in this qualifying campaign. In the long run it might be better for them to not qualify and make some changes going forward.
Chile gone too, USA, Holland and Chile all out within 24 hours.
Panama.
Blimey.
BLOW IT UP
The good news is that a couple of days from now this will be forgotten about because soccer isn't that big of a deal in the US compared to several other sports.
Changes like what? That squad got out of a group with Germany, Ghana and Portugal.
Obviously there can always be improvements but there have been new initiatives and growth in the past few years that look promising i.e the expansion of MLS, the exposure of generation Adidas, the Bundesliga actively acquiring young American talent and giving them opportunities, new soccer markets providing proper stadiums and sell out crowds for national team matches.
The reality is that this is a failure at senior team level as this squad was perfectly capable of qualifying. There's plenty of young talent too at clubs like Dortmund, Schalke, Fiorentina, Spurs, Bournemouth, Arsenal, as well as round the MLS. It was the wrong time to say it but Arena was right to say you don't make wholesale changes based on the width of the post.
I was so SO bloody close to USA v Australia ffs. It would've been christmas for me.
Maybe they can start by looking at why it didn't look like the players were anywhere near as good as you've suggested throughout qualification? Why did none of them seem to give a fuck? Complacency? Shit coaching? Fatigue?
They won three games against the other teams in that group. That is some colloidal underperformance. Even if hey had scraped through I'd suggest some pretty wholesale change somewhere is required. It's not because they lost to Trinidad and Tobago that they need to take a good look at themselves, it's because it came down to this game when it absolutely should never have.
When a team that should qualify doesn't, that is when you need to look at what the fuck you are doing, not when the team is hopeless and you meet expectations. If the USA can't work out why this team underperformed and correct it then the malaise will only continue and their promising youth set up won't breed anything but more of the same.
I don't know enough about their set up to know in depth what needs changing but clearly something fundamentally isn't right when a group with talent like theirs is eliminated by the likes of Panama, Costa Rica and Honduras.
You do understand you are posting in a FOOTBALL thread right troll boy.
Last edited by Pablo Diablo; October 11th, 2017 at 7:30 AM. Reason: Come now PG.
He's right though.
Well, He is very clearly not a football fan, Given his history, so he is not going to care is he? I would suggest the actual football fans from the USA, Including those that post in here and the US thread care.
I do find it weird when some Americans say they don't like it because it's 'boring' and then I try and watch NFL but I can't because it's so stuttered and there is no flow to the game because there is a stoppage every 15 seconds.
He's not a big football fan no but he clearly has at least a passing interest. He's right when he says it won't matter too much though because in the grand scheme of things, soccer is the 5th/6th biggest sport in the country.
Well no sport really matters in the grand scheme of things, But if Forest beat us on Sunday I will still cry myself to sleep
It's actually started to bother me how irritated I get when Spurs do badly these days. My wife has said numerous times that she'd prefer it if Spurs were a mid-table team again, when I cared a lot less.
In particular, the semi-final loss to Chelsea in the FA Cup back in April and the recent Swansea game, in very brief moments, I became that kind of fan I hate.
Nothing major or owt, I don't shout, swear or throw stuff, it's just bollocks how it can make me so frustrated. Makes me wonder why I bother sometimes. But then something good happens and all the bad stuff gets forgotten.
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the World Cup (and European Championships) qualification system is way too complex.
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/41580638
Thanks goodness some absolute genius at UEFA has sorted that out with this devilishly straight forward and easy to understand Nations League.
Jesus.
My head hurts.
So one of Azerbaijan, Macedonia, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia., Latvia, Faroe Islands, Luxembourg, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Liechtenstein, Malta, Andorra, Kosovo, San Marino or Gibraltar will be automatically qualified for the Euros.
No, from how I understand it this determines the qualification order for the euros/world cup.
So Nations League > Euro/world cup qualifiers > Euros/World Cup rather than Nations League > Euros/World Cup
But honestly? I'm not sure at all.
This line from the article makes me think I have it right
By virtue of the format, lower-tier countries - the bottom 16 in the rankings - are now guaranteed one of the 24 qualifying slots for the European Championship finals.
I wasn't trolling at all. I was actually making a very valid point. This actually happened at one of the busier times of the year in the sports world for the US.
With the MLB playoffs going on, the NFL and college football in full swing and the NBA starting next week this will become a non issue in a matter of days. All of those sports are much, much more popular in the US than soccer. This will be a distant memory by the weekend.
I get it that people on here might care. I never said that they didn't. But to the majority of the people in the US they have a much more vested rooting interest in at least one other sport right now, if not three or four.
Yeah it’s all true but it’s nothing most don’t already know.
Yes, I was just explaining it to Peter as he didn't seem to understand.
But there are people that do care. Yes it's not the number one sport but the people in this thread care. You can say that about any sport though right? If one team sucks, they move on to the next sport.
Last edited by PurePlayer; October 11th, 2017 at 10:18 AM.
He's talking about the national collective consciousness though.
If this were to happen in say early August. Things would be different. It might take up more time on the sport shows. It would be a national embarrassment that would constantly be shoved in the faces of the American people. But because it happened in October with everything else going on. It will leave the news cycle much faster.
I'm sure there will be changes that will occur in the US soccer program. But maybe it's for the best that other things are going on so that it doesn't completely kill all the growth that has been made in America regarding soccer.
God knows. I read it as there is this competition then a qualifying competition and then the actual event.
if there is this much confusion already just imagine when it gets started
Meh. You were trolling when you came in here and made the first statement. You have backed it up more now which is more than what you usually do but not the first time you have come into this forum and made statements that you knew would spark a reaction from someone.
Sucks that the US is out but hell they played like shit for most of the hex. They should have been in the top three easy. System needs an overhaul and maybe this is the wake up call to get it done.
Because USA is shit. You can blame the conditions of the pitch which was apparently bad too, but USA had absolutely no pursuit it seemed until they were down coming out of half
I hate international anyway but decide to look into how USA never made it. That’s system is crazy like but USA not getting top 4 is a bit shocking.
Yeah. Insane they didn't finish top 4.
On top of being in the position we were in last night. Even losing last night wouldn't have ended our chances at the playoff against Australia but the fact that Panama and Hondorus both won over teams that already clinched finished us off. Also I saw video about one of the goals that Panama scored that really wasn't a goal or something which gave them the win instead of draw. Despite that we should have never even been in that spot though. We are better than what we played like in the qualifiers. So frustrating.
Yeah you shouldn’t have never been in that position but Panama’s first goal wasn’t over the line, so you got screwed on that.
US wants to do matches with Italy and others that missed the World Cup.
http://www.espnfc.com/united-states/...herlands-italy
No Scotland, no interest.
TAPS AFF!
Being a massive fucking nerd I've created a code that determines the most likely World Cup groups. Any interest in me posting the results here?
Sure. Be interesting to see how close you are.
Will put it up in the morning once I've finished
Tell us what happened in the rehearsal too
Not expecting this to be anywhere near but this is what the code gave me:
Russia
Peru
Tunisia
Australia
Brazil
Croatia
Iran
Serbia
Portugal
Colombia
Iceland
Japan
Argentina
Spain
Sweden
Nigeria
Belgium
Mexico
Denmark
Morocco
Poland
Switzerland
Senegal
South Korea
France
England
Egypt
Panama
Germany
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Saudi Arabia
Last edited by BBF; November 30th, 2017 at 3:43 PM.
I reckon we'll absolutely batter Panama, probably by as big a margin as 2-0, to send the England fans home happy after we pick up one point from the first two games and are already out.
Simon, if we have one point after two games it's impossible for us to already be out.
State of group A. Could see it happening as well when Putin threatens to have Gary Lineker executed.
Where there's a will there's a way.
Swap England with Spain and we're back in our 2002 group.
Also Group F can't happen as it has two African nations.
Code failed.
That is true. I think I spent so long making sure the UEFA rules were right that I missed that.
I'll rerun with a new code and edit.
It was me copying it wrong.
Morocco and South Korea were the wrong way.
Toughest group
Brazil
England
Egypt
Serbia
Easiest group
Russia
England
Iran
Panama
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