I get you and Brian M mixed up all the time.Originally Posted by ANT
I'm a man I will apologize for the case of mistaken identity.
You "insinuated" in the HHH/ Hbk thread Carlito is great.
I get you and Brian M mixed up all the time.
I'm a man I will apologize for the case of mistaken identity.
You "insinuated" in the HHH/ Hbk thread Carlito is great.
There's no accounting for taste I guess.
Her positioning on my lists has nothing to do with whether I like her or not. The performances she has given recently are of a good standard, and her mic skills are at an impressive level too.
Work of a good standard doesn't put you in the top 10.
First off, her mic skill has nothing to do with her wrestling skill, which was the list that I quoted.
Second, she may very well be the best female wrestler, along with Trish. But she's not the 10th best wrestler in the company. If you think she is, since that's so far out of the mainstream opinion, the burden of proof that she belongs there is in your court. Saying that "she's impressive" and "of a good standard" aren't going to cut it.
That's the problem with list threads. Nobody explains anything.
I know.
But in all fairness, she might rank about 20/25 as far as company wide goes.
Probably second if we were just ranking the Divas.
I never said her mic skills had fuck all to do with her wrestling skill.
"second off" I don't wear a fucking fleece like you shallow borg minded amoebas.
As for saying my opinions of her aren't going to cut it, says who?
The majority?
You?
You know it's funny, I don't remember dying and making you God
It's MY opinion, don't like it? Eat a dick and choke on it.
You know, instead of being a complete asshole, you could try and back up your opinions. Sad to see you went the name calling route.
You know, instead of being a complete asshole, you could try and back up your opinions. Sad to see you went the name calling route.
That is fucking so rich and hypocritical it leaves a nasty after-burn on my fingers. The majority of posters on this website have a "God complex" they think that what they say, who they like etc should be taken and followed as the fucking Gospel. Then someone with a different opinion comes along (like myself for example) and they revert to a "pack mentality" and try and bully the person who refuses to be assimilated. Well I'm sorry guys, but I march to the beat of my own drum and I have just as much right to an opinion as you all do.
Yeah, and I'm asking you to back it up, as this is a discussion board. You can just keep laughing and making fun of us all you want, but that doesn't prove your point.
Ok Genius, how do you suggest I do that huh? If you stopped and thought about maybe "wrestler A" has had more on air matches than Mickie james recently. How could you possibly compare their in-ring work rate? Personally I think she has worked incredibly hard in her matches since joining the RAW brand. Her New Years Resolution match with Trish was a high quality encounter, the tag matches she has been involved with on RAW she has always shown maxium effort and a willingness to learn and perfect her trade. Ok so the match at the RR was a little dissapointing but if Ashley was Trish or say Victoria do you think the match would have been as poor? Because I don't.
Top 10 Overall Perfomers in WWE
10. Trish Stratus
9. Edge
8. JBL
7. Shelton Benjamin
6. Ric Flair
5. William Regal
4. Paul London
3. Brian Kendrick
2. Kurt Angle
1. Shawn Michaels
Top 10 Wrestlers in WWE based on Ringwork
10. Mysterio
9. Super Crazy
8. Noble
7. Psycosis
6. Benoit
5. Paul London
4. HHH
3. Kid Kash
2. Brian Kendrick
1. Michaels
Top 10 Mic-Workers in WWE
10. Cena
9. Carlito
8. Regal
7. Edge
6. Michaels
5. Kendrick
4. HHH
3. Vince
2. Ric Flair
1. JBL
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I hate Regal's mic work.He bores me on the mic.
You put Carlito and Edge over Benoit in terms of ring work. Regardless of the Mickie James thing, that alone was a major slip-up. Like Hacksaw said, that's not even a matter of opinion. I don't care how big of a mark for either you are, when it comes down to workrate, Benoit takes the F'ing cake.
So yeah, I'm dieing to do a top-ten Wrestlemania match list similar in format to my Undertaker list.
But then I realized, "damn there's a lot of really good Wrestlemania matches to choose from.
So here's my initial list. Nothing here is short of three stars.
*** Star Matches:
The British Bulldogs vs. The Dream Team- Wrestlemania 2
Jake "The Snake" Roberts vs. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase- Wrestlemania 6
The Nasty Boys vs. The Hart Foundation- Wrestlemania 7
The Steiner Brothers vs. The Headshrinkers- Wrestlemania 9
Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel- Wrestlemania 11
The Undertaker vs. Diesel- Wrestlemania 12
Triple H vs. Owen Hart- Wrestlemania 14
Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho- Wrestlemania 2000
Diamond Dallas Page vs. Christian- Wrestlemania 18
Evolution vs. Rock 'N' Sock- Wrestlemania 20
Money In The Bank Ladder Match- Wrestlemania 21
**** Star Matches:
Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan- Wrestlemania 5
Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior- Wrestlemania 6
Hulk Hogan vs. Sargeant Slaughter- Wrestlemania 7
Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon- Wrestlemania 10
Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar- Wrestlemania 19
****1/2 to ***** Star Matches:
Randy Savage vs. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat- Wrestlemania 3- *****
Bret Hart vs. Rowdy Roddy Piper- Wrestlemania 8- ****1/2
The Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage- Wrestlemania 7- *****
Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage- Wrestlemania 8- *****
Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs. Owen Hart- Wrestlemania 10- *****
Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin- Wrestlemania 13- *****
TLC 2- Wrestlemania 17- ****1/2
"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs. The Rock- Wrestlemania 17- *****
Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels- Wrestlemania 19- *****
Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H- Wrestlemania 20- *****
Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle- Wrestlemania 21 *****
-So, from these matches I will attempt to ferret out the top ten best Wrestlemania matches of all time.
I can't promise you'll agree with me, but it should be entertaining.
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I'll admit it's hot and cold. When he's on though, he's fantastic. I really enjoyed his stuff during the eugene/bischoff angle.
Hogan/Slaughter was 4 stars?
I thought the crowd heat and the actual in-ring work made it worth it.
Its not the best worked match ever, but what's there was perfectly done.
That's what I was wondering about too.
Oh and Regal is pretty good on the mic, but vignettes are where he is a god.
When it comes to mic work here are my top 10 favorite that are currently on the roster though not in order
1.Edge
2.Cena
3.JBL
4.Michaels
5.Carlito
6.Foley
7.Flair
8.Goldust
9.Kennedy
10.Simon Dean
Nothing from Wrestlemania 19 Mortisha? HBK v Y2J is definitely in the **** territory.
Great list though. And I loved the Undertaker one. Personally would have had Undertaker/Vader from Canadian Stampede in there.
Good list, I forgot about Foley. I think Kennedy is way overrated in everything though. He's an Ok in-ring worker (his finisher is great), but the MR. KEEEEEENEEEDY thing got old real quick. To be in a rut so early in his career hints to me that he is a one trick poney. To be fair though, I'd have to seem him in a feud before I can completely judge.
If Kennedy doesen't have the U.S strap around his waist by the end of the year or if he is traded to Raw and doesen't have the I.C title around his waist by year's end than that would suck ass.
Edited Shawn/Jericho, and Lesnar/Angle into the appropriate sections.
Actually, I haven't seen 'Taker/Vader from Canadian Stampede.
You didn't see him on Byte This, did you? He was in top form and quite hilarious.
The guy has cut a few more promos beyond his standard ring entrance one, and he's been quite decent in all of them.
If you want to talk stuck in a rut, and one trick ponies, look no further than what they're doing with the guy in my avatar.
Of late they have impressed me more. Or it could just be because Benoit is consistently good, and at times it is over-looked
Before beavering away at your keyboard, I already explained why that could be a possible over-sight as stated above.
I much prefer Benoit to either Carlito or Edge just for the record.
Bossman/'Taker: DUD
Hunter/Nash: ***1/4
Hunter/Cactus: ****1/2
Hunter/Jericho: ***3/4
It seems he rates any cell match over 15 minutes an automatic ***.
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I don't understand. What does Benoit being consistently good have anything to do with those guys being above him? Doesn't really matter. If they've impressed you more, I'm really sorry. Edge has been stinking up the ring on Raw with John Cena while Benoit has been carrying Orton to some of the most enjoyable matches of his young career. Makes a looooot of sense.
Mortisha, pretty damn good ratingsChristian/DDP at *** though? It wasn't a bad match, I just thought other matches were just as good or better that should be on there.
As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts in here, I think Austin/Rock at WM17 is one of the most overrated matches of all time. It was awesome at the time, but it hasn't stood the test of time very well at all. Just my opinion of course.
I don't remember Batista/HHH's HIAC getting ****1/2, that's absurd. Meltzer's so tough with his ratings, you'd think a match like that would have a hard time getting passed ***1/2. Just insanity. What did he give Jericho/HHH and HHH/Cactus?
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Look at my post above.
You edited that in after my post, fuckerLook at my post above.
But anyway, at least the Cactus match got the same rating. Personally, I thought it was much better, but meh..
As for the Jericho one only getting ***3/4 while Batista's is ****1/2... well, um...Does he not remember/check what he gave older matches, or does he honestly think that it was that much better?
I ask for an explanation on why Mickie James was on of the 10 best wrestlers in the company, and I get this...I never said her mic skills had fuck all to do with her wrestling skill.
"second off" I don't wear a fucking fleece like you shallow borg minded amoebas.
As for saying my opinions of her aren't going to cut it, says who?
The majority?
You?
You know it's funny, I don't remember dying and making you God
It's MY opinion, don't like it? Eat a dick and choke on it.
Yeah, this is my nominee for "overreaction of the year."
How dare he?
Hacksaw died for your sins!
I thought I might get in on the whole list craze. I really have no business making "best of all time" lists as I haven't seen enough to judge, so I thought I'd just make a Top ten best WWE matches of 2005 list. I've based it on a variety of factors, like match quality, feud, crowd, how memorable the match was, what it did for the participants, etc.
10 - Survivor Series: HHH vs Ric Flair
I could catch heat here for daring to put a HHH match in the top ten, but I just really enjoyed this match. We don't get to see big bloody brawls of this nature as often as we used to. Flair performed brilliantly; I really was impressed. He had that "never say die" attitude in the latter half of the match that can make a match compelling to watch. It was a good mix of brutal violence and the usual Flair comedy, and one of the few matches in 2005 where the "epic" style didn't detract from the enjoyment of the match. The Last Man Standing stipulation was also used fairly well, as they didn't have the referee counting to ten within the first 3 minutes of the bout. The match was focused on it being the end of the HHH/Flair feud, with both men going their separate ways.
9 - Smackdown April 14th: Eddie Guerrero vs Kurt Angle
The best Guerrero/Angle match since their inital match at Wrestlemania 20, in my humble view. Thanks to injuries and other factors, I don't think we ever got to see Guerrero vs Angle at it's full potential. This came pretty damn close. It was a great battle between the two men.
8 - Smackdown February 10th: Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio
This was Angle and Mysterio's bout in Japan; quite underrated I feel. It was around the beginning of the period where Angle became a machine, having quality matches every month against a variety of wrestlers. The Japan crowd made for a nice change in atmosphere, and the match felt like a big main event. I'd be lying if I could said I could remember every part of the match, but it was a very good TV match.
7 - Wrestlemania 21: Money in the Bank Ladder match
This was a guilty pleasure - so much action and big spots galore. Shelton's performance was amazing, and the crowd respected him for it. He really made a name for himself in this match. You also had Chris Benoit's fantastic sell-job of the injured arm - this was during the time when Benoit's selling was absolutely fantastic (more so than his usual standard). He was extremely effective as the heart of the match; illustrating the punishment that you can receive in a ladder match. It was a nice contrast to the thrilling spots. The only criticism I have is that Edge could have done a bit more, as his win didn't really have the impact it could have had.
6 - Raw August 29th: Matt Hardy vs Edge
It's easy to put this on the list simply because it was what their Summerslam match should have been. But this was a damn good street fight, which played into the character's hatred for eachother very well. It's what we wanted to see all along - Matt and Edge just beating the crap out of eachother. It was good fun throughout. The dive off the stage has been done a gazillion times, but at least in this case, it fit the context of the feud - they wanted to hurt eachother as much as possible, even if meant sacrificing themselves. It left you wanting to see more.
5 - Raw August 22nd: Chris Jericho vs John Cena
This was the "You're Fired" match, which I found to be better than their Summerslam encounter. I think this match shows how spoiled we are, as you had Jericho and Cena fighting tooth-and-nail on free TV. The crowd was great, and the action really pulled you in. I particularly liked the way in which Cena sold the injured back - it took every ounce of strength to FU Jericho, and he really sold it as a desperate act. It conveyed the sense that Cena was fighting for his life, despite the stipulation of the match making the winner quite predictable.
4 - Backlash: Chris Jericho vs Shelton Benjamin
What a PPV opener this was. This was a really, really good back-and-forth battle, with a truly split crowd throughout the match. Despite a lack of a real feud between the two (other than Jericho's impromtu song about Shelton), they really played up their characters well. You had Shelton trying to get in Jericho's head from the outset, constantly showing off his athleticism as he escaped the early chain wrestling. And you had Jericho firing back with his cockiness and his various counters to Shelton's moves. The match also had a number of crowd-pleasing spots, from the huge snap superplex to Jericho reversing the Dragon Whip into the Walls of Jericho. I think this match, along with the MITB, put Shelton on the map, and marked the beginning of Jericho's increased motivation after a rather dull 2004.
3 - New Year's Revolution: Elimination Chamber match
This was a fantastic match which has seemingly been forgotten by many. The crowd was electric the whole way through, and the 6 men gave it their all. There just wasn't a dull moment. You had Benoit and Jericho battling it out in the early stages, HHH and Edge playing their roles well and Batista looking very strong when he finally came out. This match is a blast to watch.
2 - Wrestlemania 21: Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels
This was the dream match of the year - the one that everyone will be talking about when they look back at 2005. I was tempted to give this the number 1 spot, but I really feel it ought to go Undertaker and Orton. Nevertheless, for two men that hadn't worked together before the match, this was quite an encounter. The atmosphere of Wrestlemania really elevated this match, as well as the "first time ever" label. The only criticism I have of this match is that things slow down a bit too much mid-way through - they have a nice start with HBK trying to outwrestle Angle, and the end has some nice spots and the dramatic ankle-lock sequence.
1 - Summerslam: Undertaker vs Randy Orton
Just edges out Angle/HBK. At first, I preferred their Wrestlemania 21 bout, but after recently rewatching Orton/Taker 2, this was the better quality match. Their Wrestlemania encounter had more emotional investment (due to Taker's streak), but the sheer quality of this match makes me rate it higher. Both men are on top form in this match, and we see more of the counter-wrestling that was so enjoyable in their WM 21 match.
I think the great thing about this match is how both men get a chance to dominate - Undertaker has the advantage at first, but then Orton really starts to fire back with his work on Taker's leg. It made both men look good. These two men have clicked very well all year around, which only made Armageddon more disappointing when their final match didn't live up to expectations.
2005 was a really great year for matches, and if I had a top 20, there would have been a lot of ties. There are certain matches which I think got a little overrated in the end. The HBK/Edge street fight, for example, was a fun match, but I think a match can sometimes be overrated simply because there's a a big blade-job. I'm certainly not accusing everyone of thinking that, but I do feel it had something to do with it. And while I think the Benoit/Orton series was good (one match in particular was very good - I can't remember which), I just think the action dragged in the arly portions of the matches. I'm not a fan of Orton's slow, methodical style as of late (though it can work well when called for).
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Good list Chris. I'm glad that you seemed to enjoy Orton vs Taker from Summerlsam and the Hardy vs Edge Street Fight as much as I did. Neither of those get to much praise, and they really both deserve it if you ask me.
The Taker vs Orton match I watched with my brother, and I really enjoyed it because I was able to teach him about ring psychology and storytelling when watching the match, and it helped us both get into it. Great performance by both men.
Good list Chris, though I'd definitely include Undertaker-Orton from Wrestlemania on there as well.
That's a list of some pretty good matches, but looking back, it was a really weak year overrall. Maybe two four star matches? I feel like there were a couple more matches that I really liked this year. Was Regal-Benoit from Velocity this year? If so, it belongs on the list, even if it wasn't on a major show.
I'd have put Regal/Benoit, Bradshaw/Taker and WM Taker/Orton on there
But eitherway, good read as always Chrisinator
I definitely left out a few - Undertaker vs JBL, Regal vs Benoit, JBL/Cena I Quit, Jericho vs Cena vs Christian, etc (as Tempest just said).
Didn't Regal and Benoit have a few matches this year? If so, then I only saw one of them. It was awfully similar to their match at the Brian Pillman show. Not really a criticism, but just something I noticed.
What would you say the two four star matches were?
Matche's I'd rate at 4 stars and above this year
Elimination Chamber - NYR
6 Man Ladder Match - Wrestlemania
Angle vs HBK - Wrestlemania
Edge vs Hardy - Raw
Regal vs Benoit - Velocity
Orton-Taker at SS I'm pretty confident in slapping four stars on. Michaels-Angle, a bit less so. As much as it gets talked about being overrated, it was a fun match. It just gets hard to rate when so many people go on about it being a five star classic amongst the best ever.
Also, the feud bugged me, because as JAYD pointed out in the Michaels/Cena thread, they just repeated their spots, rather than building on them. Once you saw the first match, you saw them all, and I really think it took something away from it. Still, standing on its own, the match produced a lot of fun moments, and could probably hold up to the four star rating on a generous day.
Benoit-Regal was probably my MOTY in the WWE, solid four star+.
I'd say Eddie/Rey ladder match was better than Angle/Michaels to be honest. I'm surprised how overlooked it is...
Most certainly better than the Hardy/Edge encounters
I really think the Hardy vs Edge Street Fight gest overlooked. Both men put so much effort in to the match, and I simply loved the story being told, you could feel the hatred. Everything that happened in the match made so much sense, and I just felt wrapped up in it.
I definitely preferred it over the cage match. I'd need to see the cage match again to be sure, but I thought it was pretty standard apart from the big leg drop at the end.
I really liked the Elimination Chamber match. The first 2 benefitted from individual performances, mostly. In 2002, it was Jericho and RVD that really held the match together. In 2003, it was Jericho again, with Goldberg actually looking strong for once too. But at NYR, all 6 men held up their end of the match.
Plus, the crowd deserves merit for staying so hot, after so many blunders earlier in the night (not to mention a weak PPV card to begin with).
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I loved the match. Nothing about it was wrong. The stuff with Batista and HHH was done perfectly, Batista was booked as good as I've ever seen the WWE book anyone. Jericho and Benoit really put a lot of hard work in during the early stages of the match, and really set the framework for the rest of the match. The furthering of the Edge vs HBK storyline also made sense as well. Some beautiful spots throughout the match as well, Edge's elimination sticks out as one, as well as Batista Spinebustering Jericho onto Benoit.
Update (for those that care) instead of doing a top-ten match list for Wrestlemania I think I'll be doing a top-twenty instead.
No real particular reason, other than that ten is too restrictive. I've got some matches I think should make it that wouldn't make it with just ten spots.
The Top Twenty Wrestlemania Matches Of All Time
#20- Chris Jericho vs. Christian- Wrestlemania 20
#19- Owen Hart vs. Triple H (yes, THAT Triple H)- Wrestlemania 14
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Owen vs HHH is a match I've wanted to see for ages. I watched it about 5 years ago and really can't remember it. Hard nothing but good things about it though.
Top Ten Ring Work:
10.Gregory Helms
9.MNM(I count them as one person)
8.Undertaker
7.Paul London
6.RVD
5.Shelton Benjamin
4.HBK
3.Beniot
2.Kurt Angle
1.Rey Mysterio
How do you do that?
Mercury is clearly better in the ring than Nitro, so you can't really count them as one.
I wouldn't say it's that clear. When I watch MNM I watch them as a team, I never really think about them as singles wrestlers, and therefore I can't see that either is better than one another. It's the same with when the Steiners where a team, I really could never say who was a better wrestler becasue they teamed so well together and where so simmilar.
As far as the best matches of 2005 go, I loved Chris Benoit vs. Booker T at Armageddon. I'm fond of most of the matches at least in this past year that many of the 'connoisseurs' amongst these message boards don't rate so highly, but I thought that was one of the best straight matches WWE put on in 2005. ****
I don't think Booker T has been better than he has been currently in WWE. He and Sharmell, Chris Benoit, John Bradshaw Layfield and Jillian Hall, Finlay, Edge and Kurt Angle's World title wins, the booking of the angle involving Trish Stratus and Mickie James, and the Royal Rumble match have been the only positives in WWE a month's dent into 2006. A sad 'top' ten, but at least I highlighted the positives.
Michael Cole vs. Sharmell is feud of the year in WWE so far for me. Honestly.
From November 2005
Pasted from the other thread. I'll do the others later on
ANT's Top Ten overall performers.
1. HBK
2. Angle
3. Benoit
4. JBL
5. Undertaker
6. Edge
7. Flair
8. London
9. Cena
10.Chavo
Jericho would be top 3 if he were active. Eddie would have been as well.
And from February 2006
So it looks like now my list will change alot from what it was the first time.
1. Benoit
2. Cena
3. Edge
4. Undertaker
5. UMAGA
6. Big Show
7. CM Punk
8. King Booker
9. Finlay
10.Regal
Yeah, I didn't even have Show or Booker on my lists last time, same with Regal. Also, last time I posted others like Punk and UMAGA weren't around. And this time it was pretty close 1-10.
So yeah, feel free to make new lists, and compare old ones as well.
That's pretty good I guess - not really Flair any more though.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK WAS I ON A YEAR AGO? That is seriously some fucking shit. I'll chalk it up to the fact that I didn't know shit about wrestling a year ago.
Its ok, Misery Saint.
Good for a laugh at least.
Oh man, Saint..
This is one of those things people will continuously bring up about me to make anything and everything I post a joke.
Vice will obviously be commander in chief of that squad.
haha hbk and angle the top two in every one
What are you talking about Saint? Everyone knows Shelton's ringwork is better than Regal, T, London, and EdgeWhere's the problem
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know what would make that list even funnier
And he has HHH even above them.What are you talking about Saint? Everyone knows Shelton's better ringwork than Regal, T, London, and Edge
Seeing those HHH's all over the list just reminded me...
Isn't Saint a member of T.H.E.M. ?
Top Ten, based on a combination of their work in the ring, and on the mic, and whatever else appeals to me.
Booker T
Benoit
Finlay
Regal
Paul London
Brian Kendrick
Ric Flair
Undertaker
CM Punk
Big Show (Either him or Kennedy)
From November:
Oh. Oh god (Super Crazy? I don't recall ever rating him at any other time). Please, Brian M., explain why you rate Batista as the ninth best mic worker in the company :
Oh. Oh god.
Luckily I became quite a bit smarter in February.
No Michaels, less Angle. Good job past Brian M.
I'll do my current lists later.
I was young and naiive...and he told me it was perfectly natural
I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN RAPED
Serves you right for rating HHHBK+Angle.
Quoted to give Lem the chance to recant...
Best Heels
1. Roddy Piper
2. Jake Roberts
3. Ted Dibiase
4. Honky Tonk Chap
4. Rick Rude
5. Ric Flair
I'm missing someone. I did like Rick Martel when he had the arrogance.
Best Faces
1. Hogan
2. Austin
3. Rock
4. DX (1st proper incarnation)
5. Bret or HBK
Best Large People (in no order)
1. Vader
2. Taker
3. Bigelow
My personal faves
Curt Hennig
Jake Roberts
Ted Dibiase
Randy Savage
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Steve Austin
The Rock
Undertaker
Chris Benoit
D-Generation X were heels in their first incarnation. Do you mean the Triple-H, New Age Outlaws, X-Pac & Chyna version?Originally posted by wilfred
Best Faces
1. Hogan
2. Austin
3. Rock
4. DX (1st proper incarnation)
5. Bret or HBK
Yes
I remember them being so popular when I was at school around 99-ish.
Lemme throw my hat in.
Top 10 Overall Perfomers in WWE
1. Edge
2. Big Show
3. John Cena
4. Chris Benoit
5. CM Punk
6. Shawn Micheals
7. Bobby Lashley
8. Finlay
9. Randy Orton
10. MVP
Top 10 Wrestlers in WWE based on Ringwork
1. Chris Benoit
2. CM Punk
3. Finlay
4. Edge
5. Big Show
6. William Regal
7. Umaga
8. Bobby Lashley
9. Randy Orton
10. Brian Kendrick
Top 10 Mic-Workers in WWE
1. Vince McMahon
2. Edge
3. John Cena
4. Big Show
5. King Booker
6. CM Punk
7. Melina
8. Triple H
9. Ken Kennedy
10. MVP
Top 10 Big Men in WWE
1. Big Show
2. Umaga
3. Bobby Lashley
4. Test
5. Kane
6. The Undertaker
7. Batista
8. Shad Gasbard
9. Viscera (i'm reaching, here)
10. Khali
Jeepers, you're rather high on Bobby Lashley.
Top ten WWF/E matches of all time: (Not really because top 10 lists are truly impossible to do and so much is based on preference of various elements of wrestling, but here we go)
1. Savage vs. Flair, WM8 (aka greatest match in the HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE~!)
2. Austin vs. Bret, WM13
3. Austin vs. Bret, SS96
4. Eddie vs. JBL, Judgment Day 2004
5. Rock vs. Benoit, Fully Loaded 2000
6. Rock vs. Jericho, No Mercy 2001
7. Austin vs. Angle, SS2001
8. HBK vs. Sid, SS96
9. Rock vs. Austin, WMX7
10. Bret vs. Undertaker, SS97
Of course about a million matches could go in those #9 and #10 spots.
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Interesting ring work list, I'm sure many would flip out at you about some choices...
You don't have to reach for Big Vis, he's an awesome big man and has been for years. His Memphis stuff rocks it, and his WWE match with Benoit was great.
Yeah, I always expect that, as I always seem to have controversial picks, but honestly, it may just be that I rate ringwork in a different way than most. Instead of judging everyone by the same standards, I choose to judge them in context. Obviously Umaga isn't going to wrestle a technical style as well as Benoit. He's not built to, and it woulod be nearly impossible to overcome that. But his ringwork, judging from the standards of cold hearted, animalistic monster heels, is amazing.
And bah. Viscera may be decent, but i've never, ever clicked with him, and these days I find him to be really really sad.
Heh, indeed I am. Though to be honest, I had trouble filling entire top 10s. Not much in the way of workers these days.
Oh how Nitro's weakness shone as soon as they broke the team up. I thought he was rather rubbish in the Ladder match this week as well, as much as I enjoyed it.
November 2005
I was actually the guy who suggested Ringo make this thread. Bloody miss that bloke.
I don't think that list's all that bad. I realised about a month later just how bad Michaels had become, and I wouldn't have Angle anywhere near the top 10 at the moment.
February 2006
Finlay would go straight in to the top three of the top two lists, Flair, JBL and Angle would all come out, but apart from that, I kind of feel the same.
Flair and JBL would come out the second list, but again, my opinions haven't changed much. I'll have a proper think of my current lists while watching Never Mind the Buzzcocks.
Has he been making any improvement at all? I haven't been watching.
Oh how Nitro's weakness shone as soon as they broke the team up. I thought he was rather rubbish in the Ladder match this week as well, as much as I enjoyed it.
Either way, he's a guy who clearly NEEDS to be tagging at this point in his development.
I had Angle and Michaels on my top 10 list at that point as well. I'd been slowly getting annoyed with Angles intensity, but it was the December Raw in Boston where he tried to be all lame-o heel and said he didn't respect the troops to try to get cheap heat that I started to realize just how far he'd fallen.
I don't think that list's all that bad. I realised about a month later just how bad Michaels had become, and I wouldn't have Angle anywhere near the top 10 at the moment.
Michaels is still a better overall performer than he's made out to be on these boards, as much as his ring work has fallen off.
Someone is going to come in here and claim that that whole thing was Cena's fault. Just so you know.
Ahahaha, someone specific, or just in general...
There are a few people that I could see doing it. But yeah, mostly TapOut.
People are actually embarrassed to have rated HBK so highly back in 05, not recalling that he was actually one of the best during that year. His work alone in the summer of 05 merits that, as he proved he was still better than most when he was able to be, or thus motivated to be.
For any of you who rated him back then, do not place shame upon yourselves.
Top 10 Overall Perfomers in WWE
This is based on what job they do and how well they do it, and in combination with how well they work the ring.
1. Edge
2. Undertaker
3. JBL
4. Chris Benoit
5. Booker
6. John Cena
7. Spanky/London
8. CM Punk (just because he's way too new to put in the top 5)
9. RVD
10. Randy Orton (Give the man credit, he sure as hell has improved)
He wasn't actually all that good. I enjoyed the Hogan match watching it live, but looking back it's just an embarassment. Say that the match would've sucked without the pinballing all you want, but it was pretty unprofessional and stupid. I don't recall him having any other good performances either. I didn't like his matches with Angle after Wrestlemania.
It's okay for one to look back and realize he was once an idiot, Zen.
I can't believe anyone could rate Michaels in 2005 considering what Eddie & Rey were doing on SmackDown.
Top 10 wrestlers who get on my fucking nerves:
1. Chavo
2. Rey Mysterio
3. Kennedy
4. Umaga
5. Matt Hardy
6. Helms
7. SS(combined)
8. Show
9. Masters
10. Miz
These guys are just atrocious.
There are others I dont particularly like at all, but they bring an inkling of positivity in some aspects every now and then(HHH, Cena, Jeff Hardy..etc)
Fuck's sake. You hate a lot of extremely talented people. You're trying to tell me that Triple H and Jeff Hardy have more to offer than Rey Mysterio? K.
But once he turned heel, could he work a crowd or what eh? He totally carried Hogan, and in fact, HHH should have taken notes on how to be a top notch heel through watching HBK do his thang.
Not just that but he made Masters look decent. And then he did his very best with the non wrestlers.
Glad someone came out and stated the obvious. With the exception of Matt Hardy (good worker in the ring and buried by WWE) and Umaga (also a good wrestler, just has a shitty gimmick and finisher) I completely agree with that list. I think Masters/Miz should be higher up there though. They're both bleeding awful.
It's obvious that Mysterio sucks? I mean, I have him in the top 10 workers in America. Did I miss the boat? Fuck. I always miss the boat.
Yeah. I'm at least somewhat intrigued by what they do. When rey shows up I wanna change the channel. You know why? Cuz he's fucking annoying.
I like how you didnt call me out on Cena though. I grouped him right in the middle of the two you took notice of.
Rey's style of wrestling doesnt draw me in, so then you have to try and get into the character..and that isnt easy at all, considering he sucks and all, cant talk for shit, and literally shows no emotion at all in any of his promos.
Some guy could rape his wife, and he'd be like:
"I am totally not digging that, and I will defeat you at the ppv, because I may not be the biggest or the strongest, but I am the biggest little man you did ever see, and my heart will carry me."
With that little baby boy mexican accent and all. God, I'm getting annoyed just thinking about it.
It's not really in any order, excepting the top two spots probably. Basically, there's an equal amount of contempt in each slot for all.
His thang? You mean flopping around like a retard and exposing the business the night after his god awful performance? What a thang.
He made himself look good by sitting in the Masterlock for like 5 times longer than anyone else ever had even though he was small and girly. Boo.
Chavo and Rey are atrocious? Good GRIEF.
Well it was a list of wrestlers who get on his nerves. Mysterio very much gets on my nerves, but I still think he is one of the best in the ring right now.
Like Hogan hasn't exposed the business enough prior to that match eh?
That dirty rascal.
Flopping around like a retard after a god awful performance? You have to be kidding me. HBK did an outstanding job making Hogan look good. Did I watch a different match?
Yeah, if you list guys in here who happen to annoy you, and they are the guys internet smarts are SUPPOSED to like, you're gonna take some heat.
I dont follow trends sheepherders.
I have a feeling zen dislikes tacos and and spicy foods
He said they're atrocious below that and said way shitty people (minus Cena) at least bring something every now and then. That goes beyond saying "I don't like Rey's style, it annoys me". It's saying he's bad.
That's what it looked like to me.
If you think backflipping after punches is awesome then fine. Shawn sure did a great job of sarcastically overselling all match long. You got me there. Great match.
Saying "oh I guess everyone knew Hogan was going to win" and writing the match off the night after was stupid. Stupid even for Shawn Michaels.
How does that excuse Michaels doing it?
Oh Jesus, not you too. And you didn't just list them as annoying. You called them atrocious, which is simply untrue for most of them. Anyone who uses the terms "sheep" or "bandwagon" in regards to wrestling should be fucking dealt with by Bradshaw. It's the most annoying thing I've come across on these boards. "I'm uber cool cuz I don't like the same guys you do!" Grand. I don't care. Doesn't make you any less wrong about Mysterio.
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