That is where I'm at right now, Knee. I also don't want to throw suspicion on somebody else because it will make me look even more suspicious.
Also, 500 posts!!!
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That is where I'm at right now, Knee. I also don't want to throw suspicion on somebody else because it will make me look even more suspicious.
Also, 500 posts!!!
1 - Rip (Psycho666Soldier)
So we all sort of seem to be dancing around a few names but no one is really wanting to commit to anything yet.
My suspect list goes:
1. Timesplitter
2. The Rick
3. RIP/ Bennedy (i think one of these guys is the walker)
Reading the Night Phase it looks like Bennedy was investigated and in the clear.
Time Splitter concerns me, as does Rip. The Rick is sly enough to be getting by.
Bennedy was cleared of being a mafia (assuming there is just one left which we all do I think) he was not cleared of being a walker of some sort.
If he's a Walker why would Rick be talking to him during the night phase? The Walker would respond, "Urrrrrr ghhhh errrrrr unnnnn," and then get shot in the head.
Okay then serial killer. There are 2 guys left we need to kill.
My "random" vote was just because I didn't have a lot to go on, and from what I read in the rules, a "random" vote is what you do for the sake of discussion. Not that it really matters, a vote is a vote.
I just got home from work and I have quite a few things I need to get down around the house before I'm going out for a friend's birthday party, but I'll try and go through the read for some detective work.
I'm just saying he's acting pretty agressive at pointing out people, when his allegiance hasn't been shown yet. Thus he is a suspect just the same as you and me. Many of us are pretty laid back considering there is only one(maybe two) baddies to get. I do think it would be pretty unnerving to watch all three(four if you count Shane) of your allies go down.
:chin:
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What was this supposed to mean? Also, the fact that Rip did indeed vote for lynch after we had already had the majority for a vote seems odd. Perhaps he was CONFIRMING the vote, but it was unnecessary. Why wouldn't he vote before hand?
Also, does anyone else feel some of Rip's comments after Day 2 were cryptic? "Keeping me sharp?" Just some ideas.
I also agree with the aggression from Kneeneighbor. Ever since Bert got offed, it seems like he's been trying too hard to fit in.
In all honesty, Judas' lack of concern for Virm's modkill was a bit suspicious, but I'm still pretty confident he's a townie with how aggressively he went after Cewsh. Just a thought.
I kind of get the feeling TimeSplitter is legitimately unsure of how he should proceed in this game and is an innocent townie, but there is still the fact that he voted for Bert and then went for a No Lynch.
It should be noted that The Rick is the only one of the main suspects that DIDN'T vote for Bert, but he opted for No Lynch a couple times, and did vote for someone we have almost confirmed as townie(Grimario) during that same vote. Then again, being so new to the game and probably not having confidence in the Bert option, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Kneeneighbor hasn't had any actions directed towards him that went through, so his name hasn't come up in the write-ups. Has he been making actions or has he been holding back on using his role? I think I might need to look more in-depth at the write-ups.
Another interesting note is that Rip questioned The Rick's recent observation that Knee's name hasn't come up in the write-ups. He has no reason to question that as it doesn't threaten his position at all(as far as we know), so perhaps he is indeed off the hook. Either that or he's very sly at making sure he doesn't seem suspicious.
UNVOTE Rip
for now.
I have absolutely nothing from this phase.
Have our investigators really been so unfortunate in that they really have nothing to go on?
Well, from the write-ups it seems that Rick Grimes learned that Grim and Bennedy are OK people.
Would have been nice if scum were found.
Have the Watcher/Tracker/whatever discovered anything?
Neither has Judas, HHH, Timesplitter, kdestiny or The Rick, unless I've missed something...
Obviously being very vocal, I've made myself a target so scum have targeted me knowing that I'm not one of them and town have targeted me not (at the time) knowing my allegiance.
Cewsh being a well liked/disliked forum character and D1 activities meant he was an easy person to target.
Bennedy was a player we identified as beign suspicious so he showed up in the last write up.
I don't think we have a Jester role (win condition = be lynched) in the game as right now, there is no one who looks like they are trying to be lynched or even aggressively trying to avoid being lynched.
We could have up to THREE mafia left, don't forget... currently 7/1/2 if my number skills are working this morning. Absolutely no idea about Axel's allegiance and we don't even know what the second character is. Though I would imagine a game that is 10/6 would be heavily in favour of scum, so at least one of the unknowns has to be third party... right?
It does show that "5" members are viewing this thread right now, but only Psycho, Grim, and myself are visible. Who are you watching from the shadows?
The best I can come up with from the events is that Bennedy is Axel, but A) we don't know what Axel's alignment is, and B) Axel hasn't made any moves up to this point, and since Bennedy was role-blocked, we don't know if perhaps he was going to make some attempt at doing something that night.
What we know for sure is Bennedy can't be Rick, Thomas, Hershall, Michionne, or Abraham, but that does leave five roles left.
EBWOP Posted that a little late because I got caught up looking at previous posts. Since he was checked out, he's probably cool, unless Axel or the unknown role show up as Town when investigated.
Looking at it, we can clear Rip of being the killer, because Glenn would have noticed that he targeted Mills for the kill, unless it's the other role where they see who targets HIM, rather than who he targets, which wouldn't help anyway since no one had targeted other than Glenn.
But no one can declare, right? So whoever Glenn is can't come out and be like, "I SAW SO AND SO DOING SO AND SO IN THE BUM" right?
No, but he would be able to hint towards it in some way. Like, with Rick, we know Bennedy's clear because someone would have started hinting towards him being suspicious, but everyone alive has posted and has pretty much absolved him.
Perhaps we should look at some of the posts following the night Rip was watched?
Also, if we don't come to some kind of decision soon, we might have a default no-lynch and have to hope the night brings something fruitful.
Sorry, triple post, but I think all of us(except maybe Michionne or anyone else who has a detrimental role) should use their roles this next night phase. It might help narrow some things down.
If Michonne is a vigilante and we come down to two big suspects and lynch one, she could take out the other. BOOM. Checkmate.
As for Thomas, my gut's going with either Kneeneighbor or TimeSplitter, but I could be completely wrong on that.
Right now I have suspicions of Judas, HHH, Timesplitter, kdestiny, and Kneeneighbor. None of these guys have been targeted, and thus we don't have anything to link them to.
Knee was very agressive coming out of the last night phase. This doesn't say his is bad, but something in the last phase has lit a fire under his ass. Could it be that he is the last "scum", or did he use his Michonne role to kill Carl.
Mills did say this to Virm and Judas in the D&D thread, the day before he was killed.
Yea it was funny, but what would be funnier than raping Mills right out of the game?
HHH and kdestiny have been quiet.
Timesplitter is apparently open to questions. DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED ON CARL?
Scum didn't kill on the last night phase, a friendly did.
I think he can. You can't do stuff like "Hey guys, don't lynch me because I am the cop and I can help investigate people at night" (roleclaiming) or "if you guys don't lynch me, I should be able to get some useful information tonight" (breadcrumbing).... but you can say "last night I watched Rip and he performed a kill action/targeted Mills". If I was scum and not Glenn at all, I could come out and say that as well in the hope that you would then lynch Rip and help me win the game. Only problem with that is when it turns out to be a lie, I am instantly the next lynch/kill target because it would be obvious I am mafia.
All coming out and providing results of an investigation does is paint a massive target on you, I think, whether you are or are not that role and for different reasons.
Mr Nobody?
I was JUST going to come in here and question what the motive behind killing Mills would be. It seems like such an odd kill to go for other than the fact that he was, in the eyes of the Scum, a townie, but knowing who would be the townie, you think maybe they'd go after someone more high profile, unless they were worried about a high profile guy being the traitor that Torn obviously tried to recruit. Very interesting, indeed.
Judas, got any explaining you'd like to do as from Rick assessment you are the only guy who would have that sort of motive?
I'm not following. Virm and I voted Cewsh during D1.
Judas rode the Cewsh bandwagon so hard on D1 that my mind would be absolutely blown if he was scum.
Voted yes, but someone killed Mills during N1. As Psycho666Soldier pointed out, it was kind of a wierd move.
True, but at the same time, Cewsh was never a sure bet on D1. He had plenty of time to change his vote if it started getting bad. Then again, he knew the trigger had to be pulled for Bert, and even when it was so close, he never switched his vote, so....I'm not too suspicious.
Is there anyone else who might have had a reason to go after Mills?
EBWOP That's my only things. Mills seems like such a random choice. He was someone who voted for another townie(me), and didn't post a lot, so he obviously wasn't a threat. Why go for him of all people?
EBWOP *Thing, dammit, not Things.
Mills was Shane, the traitor, not just a quiet townie. He was scum. Interestingly enough, he was killed by scum.
That's why I went through his posts the few days before his "death". There was that comment to Judas and Virm, then there was a "Japan Sucks" post. But I don't think any of us in this game care is someone was throwing out that particular comment. If Defrost was in here, or Cewsh still living then they would be prime suspects. So the only thing I saw of note was that friendly jab towards Virm & Judas.
I'm clearing Judas of Thomas because Torn turned his attention on Judas for not voting Bert, a known townie from Torn's perspective:
He had also been heavily pushing whoever doesn't vote for Bert is a prisoner, a good way of pressuring everyone else to hide himself among a sea of people.
Ugggggghhhh, this is making my head hurt and I have company coming over soon. I want to just go through the whole thread again, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME!!!
I thought you were going out to a birthday party.
I've been quiet of late due to having a little bit of a life like school and stuff.
I have been quiet due to the fact I am still trying to figure things out. I'm not convinced of Splitters innocence and I am not sold on The Rick at this point either. If anyone has anything for me than shoot, whatever needs to happen. I just feel time would be better justified elsewhere
I'm giving an opinion of what I think, take it as you will.
if you want to suspect me then go for it, but I have nothing to hide.
I don't think kdestiny is that big of a suspect. I've had my suspicions, but I agree that TimeSplitter is much more suspicious than he.
Appreciate the vote of confidence. I do think I pulled the trigger a bit quickly on my vote earlier, but I am still very suspicious
Grim? does your spreadsheet yield any clues as to who killed Mills?
He did say he left his spreadsheet at work, so he might be fucked in that aspect.
I might try to make one myself, but I don't know how I'd pull it together.
It's definitely an interesting post for sure. Might not be so far fetched
Fuck it, I'm going with my gut.
VOTE Kneeneighbor
He's been too aggressive for my tastes, and his actions since Day 1 have remained completely suspicious. Voted for Bert. Was quick to defend Cewsh. Went aggressive after Day 1 and even went along with the Torn train. If his serial killer role is one that allows him to win by killing everyone else, it wouldn't matter who he voted for, and going with popular vote early on would naturally make people think he was making up for his "mistake" in voting for Bert.
Can anyone(particularly Grim) explain to me whether the serial killer would typically be a Mafia guy, turn up as Mafia during result, but would still be going for the endgame by himself?
Here is Mr Nobody's post on roleclaiming and breadcrumbing. Reveal it, lie about it, vouch or condemn if you have an information role. There is a high likelihood that if the cop comes out and clears people, they might get targeted tonight. If the information cleared people, I wouldn't bother owning up and revealing yourself.
Based purely on D1 and the hard push for Cewsh, I am going to assume that Judas is town.
Kneeneighbour was first on the Bert vote but very early on the Torn vote as well so not instantly suspicious.
The Rick voted me early on probably because of my very proactive nature but was fairly early on in the Torn lynch as well, would be odd if he was scum to go that early to cover suspicion.
kdestiny early on the Bert wagon, and late enough on the Torn wagon that it could be seen as an "oh shit, Torn is going so better jump on to not arouse suspicion" move. Possibly but not highest on my list
Psycho didn't vote D1, first on Torn voting and cleared of being Thomas due to a) scum targeting him and b) being roleblocked by Andrew. Could still be neutral/scum but not the assassin.
Timesplitter conveniently had no net. Voted early on Bert, didn't vote on Torn at all and opted for No Lynch. Has not been cleared or mentioned in any night activities. :chin:
Bennedy can't be Thomas but could possibly be one of the two unknown roles. Late on Bert, No Lynch D2. :chin:
HHH went No Lynch to Cewsh to Bert on D1, lots of flip flopping around. Tried to throw me under the bus while I was sleeping, put the L-1 vote down for Bert and ran with "anyone who doesn't vote for Bert is scum". First suggestion on D2 was "do we random vote?". On the plus side, sitting on Cewsh vote on D1 for so long before switching to Bert would have been brilliant play to throw us off and some great post N1 reasoning clearing or tentatively clearing a bunch of people... though doing so could mean that those cleared (me, Psycho) were targeted the next night (me, bang bang but thanks Hershall)
Rip... wow. Bandwagon jump on Bert, late (actually POST lynch) on Torn and generally suspicious all round. Could be the meds though... and if Glenn had ANY information that incriminated Rip, he would have come forward, surely.
The Mills kill was purely because they DID NOT KNOW who the traitor was. They knew there was a traitor, just not who it was. They tried to recruit me (not the traitor but playing very aggressively like I always do so possibly appeared scummy to them) and, as is usually the case when you have no idea who is who, accidentally killed the traitor.
Actually, my post might be incorrect... I had assumed the order of names in the Vote list were the order they voted but that might be wrong.
The song was simply because we had watched the Office on DVD and its the one where Toby leaves and Michale sings Good Bye Toby.
I'm trusting my gut, here, and my gut says it's either Rip or Kneeneighbor. Since Rip was probably watched, i'm going with Kneeneighbor.
No I get why you are accusing me. Someone asked about the song.
Id also like to point out I was 2nd on the Torn bandwagon.
Ive been aggressive tonight because I think we are all tip toeing around the obvious and a guy who uses the no internet excuse.
UNVOTE
Just realised a flaw in that. Damn it.
Care to share with us?
I'm still sticking with Kneeneighbor or Rip. For the moment, my gut is telling me Kneeneighbor, and I hope I'm not wrong. We have to push a lynch, and we need four votes, so I'm sticking to my guns. I understand if you don't agree, but I think we need to get this button pressed.
I could share but it would paint a VERY clear picture for the scum of who a town role is if my susicions are incorrect.
Lets push a different button instead.
And when is this session up?
Shit, my mistake on the number.
Do you have a suggestion other than TimeSplitter? I'm not saying this is a reason to incriminate you, but rather what other suggestion do you have? Grimario is sure about Grim, and I trust his investigation skills because logic-wise he's done better than anyone else.
I posted earlier about him, the Rick and Rip/Bennedy
Also, two things, from mafiascum.net:
[QUOTE]In very complex games, Serial Killers can be complex roles unto themselves that just happen to have a factional kill and a self-aligned Win Condition.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Serial Killers have also been seen with investigation immunity like Godfathers, orTracker/Watcher immunity like Ninja.
So far, with some of these roles not even being traditionally mentioned in the mafiscum wiki, and it being themed, I would say this is a complex game of Mafia. Mr. Nobody has obviously ran this a long time. Therefore, the second quote could allow someone who is a serial killer to act as if they are scum, but still be all on their own after all, hence Kneeneighbor's vote for Torn.
The first quote puts potential suspicion on Rip, as well. Things to consider.
The fact that we don't know exactly what roles and variations we can even expect from this game really makes it difficult. What is a Hider or a Politician for example?
I really don't doubt The Rick. Especially with Grim being so sure of him, it doesn't really add up. Bennedy could be Axel or the unkown, but that's not immediately threatening like the killer. If we go off Grim's theory of TimeSplitter, then that leaves Rip, and with my strong suspicions, you as the Serial killer or the unkown role. At least, going off of what I'm trying to add up.
A Hider http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider
Politician aka Votethief - http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vote_Thief
Lori silenced virm... did Lori steal a vote as well?!
VOTE Timesplitter
Same reason as before but I've gone over my analysis with a fine tooth comb and am almost certain of the other persons role that I thought could possible be Timesplitter.
The Politician may just be an alias... looking up stuff about silencing, there is another role called Immobiliser that entirely silences someone for the next day phase.
Or it could be a combo role, having the power to vote steal and silence.
I still find Rip curious, much as I love the man and hope to drink beer with him.
But TimeSplitter has seemed suspicious from the get-go and he's been awfully quiet.
I need to go to bed and will look over things again tomorrow, but at the moment:
VOTE TimeSplitter
Lets go back to it then.
Vote: TimeSplitter
Looks like the trigger is beginning to pull. Knee doesn't sit right with me still. It's just a gut feeling I've had for a long time. Rip is also pretty suspicious, and it's a very similar gut feeling. If it comes down to it...I'll make the lynch vote for TimeSplitter, as it looks like no one will go with me.
I understand everybody suspicion of me, and it is definitely warranted, but I haven't strayed away from any of my original votes/no votes
Bert- I voted for Bert early because he was so quick to jump on the Cewsh bandwagon for the D&D stuff
No Vote- I had a no vote because I didn't want to have two of us killed by the mafia in one day. In ready the further investigation of why Torn was voted, I would have voted that as well if my internet hadn't been a piece of shit. If that is the reason why I get killed in this game, then I am going to be pissed at Comcast.
My name not being brought up- I have no real explanation for this because it is not my fault my name hasn't appeared in the recaps.
Being "quiet" today- I posted as much as I could before I went to work. Not an excuse, just a fact.
I'm not going to point the finger at anyone else, because it will make me look more suspicious. I will not vote to further prove my innocence.
Alright so I can't sleep.
Rip WAS watched, so he's getting a pass from me at the moment. But I've got my eye on him.
kdestiny and kneeneighbor's names both start with the letter K. Is this a coincidence, or is there something more nefarious afoot?
Grim is a vet and he's a friend of the town, so if he's ok with The Rick, let's let Rick go for the moment.
Bennedy is also a friend of the town and at worst a third party, though I doubt it because if he were a third party, that would make him a Serial Killer and he'd be more inclined to lynch folks.
HHH claims this is the first time he's played, but he's provided a hell of a lot of insight and has been quiet since it was assumed he's played this before. He may be a mad hatter.
HOWEVER, anyone who wants to vote to lynch for someone because of their "gut feeling" rather than deductive reasoning seems curious to me.
Although Timesplitter is my number one suspect, I think we need to look at HHH further. Is there anything in the write ups to suggest if he is scum or not? I will have to go and look through again, but I don't think he can be ruled out at this point. My personal suspect list goes like this.
1.Timesplitter
2. HHH
3. Kneeneighbour
4. The Rick
5. kdestiny
6. Rip
7. Psycho
8. Judas
9. Grim
That is just what I get from the feel of things.
Show me exactly where Bert says he is voting Cewsh for D&D?
:chin:
Despite the comically brilliant results of N1, No Lynch is never a good idea IMO.
The explanation for this is purely because no one has targeted you. Whether that is because you haven't put yourself about and in the frame of suspicion for Town roles to investigate or you are scum, it's not exactly a reason to vote for you. The Rick, HHH, Knee and kdestiny haven't appeared either.
If I was going to be suspicious of anyone for being quiet, it would be you, Bennedy, kdestiny and HHH.
You voted Bert and no lynch D2.
Bennedy bandwagon on Bert, D2 no Lynch but cannot be Thomas due to role block.
kdestiny moved very early on Bert and very late on Torn.
HHH was on the Cewsh wagon early on D1 till it was evident that Bert was the only lynch option then put the L-1 in. Hit the lynch hammer on Torn so again very late, perhaps this time to jump on and avoid suspicion. Is clearly very good at deductive reasoning but don't know how shrewd he is. If really his first game and he is scum, he is playing it extremely well... kind of like me in my debut game :cool:
Then go through your list of suspects, not just explain why you aren't one of them. This single bit of your post is the reason why I am not unvoting.
Hmm...while I still have high suspicions of Knee, Grim makes some excellent points. It's obvious no one is on-board the Kneeneighbor train with me, so with diminishing hours...I'll have to change my decision, because a No Lynch doesn't help us here.
UNVOTE
VOTE TimeSplitter
I don't know how to quote my quote within your quote, so I'll give numbers.
1) That is true. Again, I'm a n00b to this game.
2) I WANT TO LOOK UP TO YOU POPS. But outside of this game, The Rick is a very smart, very astute dude. He's sly like Cewsh is sly. Not saying he's a scum, but he's sly.
3) Not certain at all that he would be a Serial Killer. It's just the sexiest role of the third parties I've read about during my newness because they get to be like Dexter... Anyway, that is a moot point. I know you are a friend of the town and and I know Bennedy is a friend of the town. The Rick Grimes interactions with both of you during the night phases say that, so I'll go ahead and say that both of you are townies.
4) I will re-read that as I need to learn more about how this game works.
5) Because it lacks logic. When virm and I jumped on Cewsh it was because of how sly he fucking is on these boards (which Bert pointed out) and because he completely dodged every single question sent his way. BTW, Bert and Virm were both town.
Possible stupid question...
If the serial killer is masked as 'Town' what do they come up as when watched, is it possible we've missed something obvious?
I know that could be late in the day but it just occurred to me while I was coming in here to vote.
Vote Count
4 - TimeSplitter (Grimario, Judas Iscariot, kdestiny, Psycho666Soldier)
Or I'm playing town very badly, it seems! :panic:
My #1 suspect, who I thought at the time was controversial but looking at everyone else isn't - is The Rick. I think he's the last full mafia guy. Why? I'm not sure. Of all the people left I have 5 without allignment that I'm fairly certain of. 3 of those roles aren't full town. I'm good at reasoning but not reading into what people have said, I just think it's him. :dunno:
The only person I think I have a "confirmed" role for is Judas... I think he is Lori because virm got totally blocked from posting for a day which would only be done to piss him off and THAT will be why Judas did it. :chin:
People seem reluctant to defend themselves. When I accidentally lynched Bert over Cewsh I posted a big thing about why I did it... Yet other people wont post because reasoning because it "makes them suspicious"? Then why have I not bit the dust yet? But now if I vote timesplitter Grim will be more suspicious of me!
Screw it, I know I'm not the one you're looking for:
Vote: Timesplitter
He's either michonne, axel or the walker, though. Be very surprised if he turned out to be Hershal, Rick or Glenn or he'd have more ammo to defend himself.