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I couldn't believe that when i saw it earlier.
Wilkerson and Jonathan Stewart released. No big surprise.
Forte retires. Had he been on a better team I think he would've gotten way more credit than he did.
10 days until the wildness of the legal tampering period.
I don't expect the Pats to make much of a splash in free agency after signing Gilmore last year. They should try to re-sign Nate Solder, Danny Amendola and maybe Rex Burkhead. Dion Lewis probably will move on to greener pastures. Butler of course will be gone. People are speculating that Richard Sherman or Aquib Talib could be acquired.... the former likely via trade, the latter probably only if he's cut and hits free agency because I can't imagine the Broncos giving him up to their conference rival.
Saquon Barkley at 233 lbs ran a 4.41, had a 41" vertical, and bench pressed more than all but OL guys.
Gronk coming out and confirming Lane Johnson's comments from a few weeks ago. Maybe it's stupid to say but I wonder if all these reports coming out and how Butler was treated will impact free agents wanting to play there. Just a thought
I am starting to think the Browns would be smart to take Barkley at 1 and then a qb at 4. The Colts won't be taking a qb and the Giants seemed to imply that they won't take one. Even if they do take a qb the Browns will have their pick of the other ones at 4.
I personally think it would be dumb for the Giants to take Barkley at 2. They have zero oline, linebackers stink, d-line is getting old and secondary has Jenkins and Collins, that's it. Say they go 10-6 or whatever the next two years just with offense alone, what is going to happen when Manning is gone and they are stuck in the 20s in the draft. They will be left without a qb and would be cooked when they have all these offensive players in their prime.
I think the Browns need to find a way to give Cousins an offer he cannot refuse. They need to do whatever it takes to get him.
Then take Barkley #1, and at #4, take either Chubb/Fitzpatrick/Nelson (if CLE picked Barkley #1, NYG and/or IND could trade back with DEN and/or NYJ, who would likely take Darnold/Rosen).
That scenario could yield CLE adding Cousins, Barkley, and Chubb. That would be a distinctive turning point for that franchise imo.
What did Lane Johnson say that Gronk confirmed? Gronk should just go to GB.
Patriots are a fear based organization.
“[Gronk] didn’t enjoy himself in 2017. He did not have a good time, despite the fact that his body was in a better situation than it’s been in a long time — ever, maybe — and despite the fact that he was one of the most dominant players at any skill position. It’s starting to wear on him — physically, mentally, the atmosphere here in New England.”
[...]
“First and foremost isn’t health necessarily. It’s all meshed together. The first and foremost is, if the climate was different, if he was having a better time, if he felt more valued — whether it be financially or personally — I think that we might not be having this conversation. But all the things rolled together have kind of hit a tipping point for him.”
those are comments from talk show host Tom E Curran who has a 3 hour nightly tv show. a bit different than gronk coming out and confirming something.
Prediction: Gronk is in the WWE by the end of 2020
He said Gronk said these things? I think not. Curran's sources could be anyone. People in Gronk's camp. Locker room attendants. Or most likely just his own observations from covering the team all year. I'm not trying to play semantics here but to say "Gronk came out and confirmed Lane Johnson's comments from a few weeks ago" is very false. He hasn't said anything publicly and it's highly doubtful he's said anything privately to reporters either.
But to your point, no, I don't think this will impact free agents wanting to sign there. Especially in the wake of the reports that Sherman and Talib are both receptive to coming here. Besides, the Patriots don't usually go after big free agents. They stick to the scrap heap and scrap heap guys aren't going to be dissuaded by Malcolm Butler being benched. Undrafted Malcolm Butler is going to make a ton of money this offseason because of the Patriots. So is Dion Lewis.
I remember this debate recently and someone said they didn't understand why people where assuming Foles' trade value was a 2nd round pick.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yah...172656818.html
Granted, it's not confirmed by any of the teams involved, obviously, and there is still time for his trade value to increase (i.e. injuries to star QBs etc.), but it appears this is roughly the current measurement of Foles' trade value.
and word is that the eagles basic answer to any trade inquiries is that to get foles they'll have to do better than the first and fourth it took to get bradford, and if they're not accepting offers for a second rounder, then hmm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkB7QdfvNRI
When I saw this guy for the first time in the Peach Bowl, he convinced me he is going to be a beast in the NFL. That kind of determination goes very far in an emotional sport like football.
I think we have a fundamental disagreement with what constitutes trade value.
If teams are offering a 7th round pick for a player, but that player's team won't give him up unless they receive a 1st round draft pick, is that player's VALUE a 7th round pick or a 1st round pick?
Foles' shelf price might be a 1st round pick, but he's only worth what people are willing to pay for him. And as of now... there's no indication that it's anything more than a 2nd round pick. Obviously this doesn't mean that the information is solid, and I'm not saying his value is a 2nd round pick with certainty, only saying that this nugget of info/rumor supports those of us who estimated his value to be a 2nd round pick. :)
literally no one gives a shit about this but you.
but of course a team, a week into the off season, isn't going to have their first offer be their best offer. but if you need this incredibly small and possibly temporary victory, by all means.
There are about 8 or so, depending on one's definition, can't miss studs in this draft,
Quenton Nelson
Saquon Barkley
Bradley Chubb
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Calvin Ridley
Derwin James
Vita Vea
Denzel Ward
Which is an interesting number relative to the unusual number of qbs looking to be taken high in this draft and the danger rate of that position drafted early,
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Josh Allen
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Will be thoroughly interesting to look back in just a couple/few years and see who regrets going need over bpa, and at the most critical need position, in this one.
Your reading comprehension is bad. And you also don't know what the word "literally" means.
A) The discussion was left open with like 5 people talking about it. And seeing as how we still don't know his trade value for certain, it is an ongoing discussion that will have future replies too.
B) As stated in the post you quoted, and in the sentence above, I acknowledged that the trade value is still not set in stone. So whatever victory you think I am after hasn't been determined.
You are reacting to this in a way that is much more indicative of giving a shit than anyone else.
Prove me otherwise by shutting the fuck up. Or just reply reasonably in a way that is conducive to a discussion. Thx.
Barkley is hands down the best football player in the draft
according to some people I heard talking
There are a couple things the Browns can do here.
Draft Barkley at 1 and then a qb at 4 and BPA in round 2.
Draft Chubb at 1, a qb at 4, and then draft Ronald Jones or Guice early rd 2
Draft a qb at 1, draft BPA between Chubb, Fitzpatrick, and Nelson at 4, and then Jones/Guice early round 2
Am I wrong in thinking it's a given that if the Browns don't draft Barkley at 1 that the Giants will take him at 2?
Barkley will not make it to 4 that is for sure.
I do not think Guice lasts until the start of round 2.
If the Browns don't covet one specific QB then Barkley almost has to be the move at 1 if they want to take best player available.
I'd say the Browns trading out of one of their top picks is one of the most likely outcomes. They can use one of their top picks, trade down to someone desperate, get a boat load back including another first rounder in this draft.
Teams could trade into the 2/3 spots looking for Rosen/Darnold/Allen leaving Barkley available at 4.
Think Indy has to give Chubb very serious consideration at 3 as well.
But if Clev can't make their minds up on a particular qb here then taking Barkley 1 overall and letting the chips fall would be solid. That's only if they haven't identified a qb strongly here.
fuck off. you being a petty shit is annoying. theres nothing to fucking discuss, and there won't be until a trade actually fucking happens. LITERALLY NO ONE besides you seems to care if they're wrong here besides you. you didn't see me or anyone else jumping in here citing the article about the eagles looking for a trade of equal or better value than the bradford one, until you brought the boring topic back up. even though all i ever said is that the bradford deal sets precedent, and that's exactly what the eagles are saying too. who wants to have a discussion with someone who moves the goalposts. oh his value is a second rounder according to one random unnamed team early in the off-season before free agency and the draft when low ball offers are king, so that supports my claim right now, but obviously that can change. lovely, wonderful discussion. riveting.
1989 Cowboys come to mind.
1991 Cowboys
1992 Cowboys
They can only use so many picks though. How many do they need? Eventually they need to just use them on game changing playmakers.
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I don't think he will be there at 4. It could be a smokescreen but I don't think the Giants trade anyone if Barkley is there.
Ok.
I agree. They have the trove of picks already. With 1 and 4, you could select TWO franchise players that have low risk. It's that reason - and CLE's drafting history of QBs - that I think Barkley would make sense. Knowing the Browns, if they pick Darnold, then he will be a bust and Rosen will go on to have an illustrious career. But if they pick Rosen, then it will be the other way around haha.
Ask Tommy Vardell, Williams Green, or Trent Richardson their history with drafting rb's early too. They've just stunk at talent evaluation for decades irrespective of position.
They're under new management now anyway with John Dorsey, Alonzo Highsmith, and Eliot Wolf. Best bet is to trust their own evals, not give a shit about Cleve's past, and just take who they best feel fits their systems moving forward. If that's Darnold or Allen, so be it. If it's Chubb and Nelson at 1/4, so be that too. And of course Barkley and Fitzpatrick should be under just as strong a consideration there as well.
Having Chubb and Garrett on the line could be something. If the Browns can somehow pull off signing Cousins and then drafting Barkley and Chubb look out.
Hey, like three posts ago I said if you really didn't give a shit, you could simply shut the fuck up lol. But yet here you are persisting. It's cute, man. Great little victory you're after! :)
Chris Mortensen reporting that PHI has fielded multiple offers for Foles now, but nothing commensurate to their asking price of what they got for Bradford.
If the stalemate holds, where buyer's value never meets the seller's, then what Morrison initially predicted (Foles doesn't get traded) appears the most likely scenario @ this point.
While other topics have been broached related to the draft that everyone else, including myself, have participated in, you have instead posted exclusively in response, ad nauseum, to something you say you don't give a fuck about.
You can keep arguing. But doing so just simply means you give a shit. Shutting the fuck up was not a personal suggestion from me. It was a tip on how to properly not give a fuck, since it is a subject you clearly have trouble grasping. :p
So anyways, Bell and Joyner both got hit with franchise tags today. Nothing too unexpected there. Bell has been semi-going off on Twitter (nothing too crazy, but clearly feels undervalued by the team for not rewarding him with the longterm deal he wants).
And CHI hit Fuller with the transition tag. This is the tag BUF used on Hogan a few years ago and it bit them in the ass because NE gave Hogan an offer sheet that was laid out in a way BUF was not able to match. The difference here is that CHI has a ton of cap room, so if a team tried to do something similar, CHI would have the ability to match the offer and keep him there longterm if they chose to do so.
these dumb conversations are dumb when they arent about the patriots
I added a nice little NE nugget about the transition tag above from when BB bamboozled the bills. ;)
I was talking about the foles stuff, but you're wrong about Hogan. he didn't get the transition tag. he was an RFA and they put an "original round tender" on him. since he was undrafted, the pats didn't have to give the Bills any compensation when the Bills failed to match the contract. it's a similar scenario, but Hogan only got 1.5 million from the Bills as opposed to the transition tag which is big money.
Ah shit, you are indeed correct about Hogan.
Kirk Cousins going to take Minnesota to the promise land next year.
He is about the 20th best QB in the league. . .
I dare you to name 19 better than him.
Kirk Cousin's last 3 seasons (played all 16 games each szn): 81 TDs, 36 INTs, 67% completion, 7.8 Y/A, 97.5 passer rating
Aaron Rodgers Y/A over the last 3 years is 7.0 for comparison (98.4 passer rating). Brady is 7.9 Y/A (105 PR).
Last year his best receivers were Jamison Crowder and Vernon Davis, with a run game that averaged 3.6 YPA. So he's doing it without a lot of help at the skill positions. I think his 3-year run has proven him to be at least consistently good. Very arguably a top 10 QB at the moment.
No way he is top 10:
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Wentz
Stafford
Ryan
Wilson
Newton
Big Ben
Jimmy G
Watson
Goff
Rivers
Thats 13 for sure I would take over him today. He is right around Carr, Dalton and Alex Smith on my list. So that would bring him in around 17 off of the top of my head. Edit: forgot about Luck if healthy.
Look at his stats by quarter and by down. Better on 1st down and 1st quarter than 3rd down and 4th quarter. HIs numbers are very similar to Dalton in that way.
Not really a fan of Cousins. I think he turns it over way too much and makes mistakes towards the end. See Eagles week 1 and Saints game this year. I can name 15 qb's i would rather have.
Wentz
Rodgers
Ryan
Newton
Brees
Stafford
Wilson
Jimmy G
Goff
Brady
Mariota
Luck
Watson
Rivers
Big Ben
He is right on line with Alex Smith and Derek Carr for me. Fro you can throw around those meaningless stats all you want. I go by the eye test and big spots in the game that Cousins comes up small
We had similar lists.
They are going to give $31 million a year guaranteed to the 3rd best QB in the division.
it's crazy how much money this guy made and is going to make for never making the playoffs.
The year Case Keenum had is right on line or better than anything Cousins ever did
Cousins has also ran for 13 TD's in the last 3 years (even I'm surprised by that stat). So he averages 31 TDs/12 INTs per year in that span. 4300 yards per year on average.
If that plus being healthy isn't supposed to get you paid, what is?
Keenum was on a great all around team and still stunk in the playoffs. Wentz was proven to be marginally better than Nick Foles. Matt Ryan had one MVP year surrounded by tons of being just solid. Mariota stinks. Goff is unproven. Watson may never stay healthy or be the same after his injury. Jimmy G has played 8 games ever.
I think Stafford is a good comp for Kirk. Of course Stafford breaking the bank also caused everyone to clown him so the same should be expected here. He'll get his money, we'll get the 6 months of "I can't believe THIS GUY is the highest paid QB", he'll continue to be solid, then we'll repeat the cycle when the next solid-not-elite QB gets his turn.
If you think Wentz played marginally better than Foles then this debate isn't worth continuing. You realize Foles played a great 10 quarters and Wentz played a great full season with spectacular play making abilities. Also, an ACL tear for Watson and Wentz won't derail them. Players comeback all the time from the injury. They are also great pocket passers. It's not like they need to be able to run to be great.
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You keep throwing out stats but if you actually watch Cousins play, he makes the mistake right on que almost every game.
You basically minimized what Keenum did because he was on a great team. You don't think Cousins had loads of weapons two years ago and they still stunk? Jackson, Crowder, Garcon, Reed, and Davis weren't enough?
Cousins' deal will the the record breaking deal until the next guy comes along. This is how it went with Kaepernick/Dalton, and it will continue every time a QB not named Tom Brady gets a new deal.
As a Vikings fan, I'm not sure how I feel about signing Cousins. Anthony Barr, Danielle Hunter, and Stefon Diggs need new deals, and I'd hate the Cousins signing to cause them to leave.
The interesting thing to me is the Buzz on the radio right now is that Zimmer doesnt want Cousins at the price he will cost but Spielmann the GM does.
I had Rivers 13th and Cousins 17th. (Note my original list is not is 1-13 order but Rivers is my 13th. And I am not a Rivers fan. But I think the problems with the Chargers are centered on coaching and the cheapness of ownership.
Fro which way are you going to argue this, what makes a great quarterback is it wins or stats?
I am going to argue that Kirk is the same as Matt Stafford. Never won a playoff game. .500 QB in the regular season more or less. Similar stats. Will each get their turn on the QB contract carousel. When you get into these guys ranked 10-15 on the QB list, you're splitting hairs and they will mostly perform based on the team you put around them. Stafford even has the same shitty 3rd down/4th quarter stats. Pretty much a perfect comparison I'd say.
More TDs, Yards, Yards per Attempt, first downs, better passer rating, completion percentage, fewer INTs and more wins last year.
Cousins numbers from PFF
http://www.1500espn.com/wp-content/u...9.33.40-PM.png
And I understand you are saying someone is going to pay him but that doesnt mean it needs to be your team. (your in the royal sense)
I thought I saw somewhere where Stafford has some pretty darn good 4th quarter stats including a bunch of comeback wins/
Where do late game stats play into the game. Stafford has a crazy amount of yards in his career because his teams were losing so he needed to throw 40+ times a game.
Cousins threw 40 or more times in 3 games, all of which were losses. The Lions went 2-3 when Stafford threw 40+ times. But is that just a product of their respective offensives?
20% of Washingtons plays were Play Action Passes. Thats a crazy high amount. Cousins was money on those. When he was asked to throw with a straight drop back he was average at best.
Seahawks traded Michael Bennett to the Eagles, and there are rumors they will cut Sherman today...
crazy move. guess that means Curry is gone. Bennett is getting paid like 1.5 mill against the cap with a roster bonus so they save money and get better production.
Bennett and a 7th to Philly, and Marcus Johnson and a fifth going to Seattle.
Good pickup for the Eagles. I wish we got him. I mean he's getting up there in age but still had 8 sacks last year. Hopefully we'll get Sherman instead.
Bennett will have a 5.5 mil cap hit for you this year, I read. Curry will have 6 mil in dead cap if cut. I think. So they essentially lose 500k in cap space but save a lot of real cash if I'm understanding this correctly.
Screw the draft, this next week is easily the best part of the NFL offseason. Twitter on constant refresh.
When has the winner in NFL FA ever amounted to anything?
The draft though..
Marty B released too.
And Alec Ogletree traded to NYG for a 4th and a 6th.
Lots of action today.
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And there are rumors OAK might release all three of Crabtree/Lynch/Irvin today too.
Mo Wilkerson is in GB. Getting dinner with coaches tonight and having official meeting tomorrow. Hoping that they sign him.
May be the extent of Wilkerson's ability at this point - having folks buy him dinner.
Hard to trust a guy who's production falls off a cliff before the ink even drys on his big contract.
Seahawks got huge FA additions in Avril and the aformentioned Bennett prior to their superbowl win too. As Fro says the biggest recent example is the Broncos who got Manning, Ware, Talib, Ward and Sanders and won the whole thing.
The cliched "winner of FA never wins" stuff is based on success being claimed, either from fans or the media, simply due to some big contracts being dished out when it clearly doesn't work out that way. That doesn't mean free agency is a waste of time or ineffectual. The Eagles made some great moves in FA last year but some of them they wouldn't have got credit for right away. In the same vein you often can't judge the success of a draft until later down the line. They didn't even spend huge compared to other teams.
There are multiple ways of winning, building through the draft is a clear recipe for success but it obviously relies on hitting on what amounts to lottery tickets sometimes. You can give free agency the cold shoulder if you are continually churning out quality draft class after draft class and use your money to re-sign your own players but that doesn't always happen. If you have a huge QB contract on your books then hitting through the draft is likely the path to success as you are limited in your room to manouver. The Eagles and the Seahawks at the time were in a position to make free agency splashes because they had what they believed to be franchise QB on rookie deals. That seems like the time to really push hard in FA to push you over the edge. The opportunity was there, they rolled the dice and won big. The obvious problem with free agent contracts often isn't in that season but they can really harm you down the line (see NYG 2016)
All the final four teams in 2017 had big free agencies/off seasons not purely through the draft - Jags in particular. You gotta build your roster in more than one way and these teams did.
I admit my bias as a draft nerd. These have been good points all around.
Sam shields' comeback is official. He has signed with the Rams.
The latest on the Jonathan Martin story is very sad and disturbing
http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/08/jonath...knife-threats/
Rams trade a 5th round pick for Aqib Talib. I guess that saves the Broncos from cutting him. He's 32, on the books for 11 million. I would gladly take him for that on what amounts to a 1-year deal with a second year option at 8 million. Good add for the Rams.
Damn. So Rams traded away robert quinn and alec ogletree, traded for aqib talib, and signed sam shields. Some pretty big shuffling on that D.