Second episode was definite step up from the first. Felt less like a retread through a past flick with a few roles switched up and more like a newer/fresher story. Nice to enjoy one of Chadwick's final performances and have to admit I got choked at the closing dedication to him.
August 23rd, 2021, 2:28 PM
Nash Diesel
I'm not super high on this style of animation but I love Marvel so I'll take whatever. The "what if" comics were some of my favorites as a young kid.
I agree, this one was cool. Very intriguing and I wanted to see Black Panther in space so here we are. I haven't really paid much attention to what any of the episodes are about so I'm curious what they've come up with for us.
August 27th, 2021, 11:12 AM
mth
I think I'm not as into this show because the eps are only half an hour and stand-alone so it's harder to get invested and everything moves along so briskly you don't really get to sit with the ideas long enough. This week's episode specifically:
Killing off the Avengers before they're the Avengers and the repercussions of that feels like it should be a big damn deal and something you should really be like, "Oh shit, now what?" and have some impact. And the mystery of who was killing them could have been drawn out and have some red herrings and get you really thinking. But instead of all that, it was like, bam, bam, bam, they're dead, oh here's the guy that did it, they beat him but also Loki took over but we only see that for about three seconds, and we're done, good night, everyone. This felt like it could have been an epic two-parter or at least drawn out to an hour long episode.
Still feel like last week's was the best so far.
August 27th, 2021, 11:21 AM
TimeSplitter
I have a feeling at some point these worlds are going to combine.
August 27th, 2021, 11:47 AM
Fro
Quote:
Originally Posted by mth
I think I'm not as into this show because the eps are only half an hour and stand-alone so it's harder to get invested and everything moves along so briskly you don't really get to sit with the ideas long enough. This week's episode specifically:
Killing off the Avengers before they're the Avengers and the repercussions of that feels like it should be a big damn deal and something you should really be like, "Oh shit, now what?" and have some impact. And the mystery of who was killing them could have been drawn out and have some red herrings and get you really thinking. But instead of all that, it was like, bam, bam, bam, they're dead, oh here's the guy that did it, they beat him but also Loki took over but we only see that for about three seconds, and we're done, good night, everyone. This felt like it could have been an epic two-parter or at least drawn out to an hour long episode.
Still feel like last week's was the best so far.
I agree with all this. Also for me, being animated already puts it on a lower stratosphere. But that’s because I’m not a big animation guy in general.
This is a show about hypothetical scenarios so off the jump it’s not an impactful show in terms of plot development and consequences… and on top of that, I agree with you the pacing is so fast that it’s more of a schmorgesborg of concepts than a deep dive into any of them.
August 27th, 2021, 2:17 PM
Nash Diesel
I think if you understand the purpose of the What If comics you would understand why these shows are the way they are. The comics were stand alones, they would have issues like "What if...Storm never joined the X-Men" so it's really just meant to be fun moments that you don't really need to get super invested in because the pay off happens inside the episode. It's like the Simpsons or Family Guy, not every episode ties in with the next, what you get in 30 minutes is what you get with the rare callback to an old episode.
I personally would enjoy it more if the animation was better. Not saying I don't, it's just kind of mediocre compared to other animated shows I watch.
September 2nd, 2021, 12:46 AM
mth
Ok, so the newest episode was by far the best. Loved it.
Just got increasing dark and insane as it went on and ended like...damn. Bleak AF. The implication that these episodes may connect seemed to be in there, too. Who would've thought the first crossover character would be a giant tentacle monster? And we saw the first acknowledgement of and interaction with The Watcher. Felt like this might be a corner turning episode. I feel like it might only get more chaotic from here and then The Watcher's gonna actually step in and shit's gonna go real sideways.
September 2nd, 2021, 9:11 AM
virms
It was mega depressing. I was like damn.
September 2nd, 2021, 9:23 AM
Pablo Diablo
It truly showed the benefits of the what if universe. It’s something they could never do in a mainline MCU property.
September 2nd, 2021, 11:50 AM
MTR
I have really enjoyed this series so far. Part of me wishes there more like 45-60 minutes just expand a little more in some cases but honestly they are doing a good job with the time frame they are using. It has been fun to watch and see various changes based on different decisions.
September 2nd, 2021, 11:55 AM
Pablo Diablo
For not the last one but the one before
What exactly was the change? Did we even know if Hope joining SHIELD was a possibility beforehand? I can't remember.
September 2nd, 2021, 12:01 PM
TimeSplitter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo
For not the last one but the one before
What exactly was the change? Did we even know if Hope joining SHIELD was a possibility beforehand? I can't remember.
Yes, Hope joining SHIELD was the change
Episode 1- Peggy stays in room during transformation
Episode 2- Yondu gets henchmen to go grab "Peter"
Episode 3- Hope joining SHIELD
Episode 4- Christine saying yes to going with Strange to the awards banquet
Hawkeye looks interesting. :yes: Will be nice to have the Christmas vibe going into the holiday season.
Zombies What If? episode was fun but a bit too comedic and not really leaning enough into the sevarity of the situation. Seeing your former friends as zombies could have used a bit more weight.
Newest episode with Killmonger was among the best. Really explored the alternate story and spent time with the idea and it was nice to get more of the guy as he was one of the better Marvel villains.
September 16th, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jimmy Zero
I thought the Killmonger episode fell apart towards the end.
Also, Michael B. Jordan should never do voice acting again. His delivery was pretty bad in Black Panther, but it was hilariously bad in that episode.
So far, I think the T'Challa as Star Lord episode and the murderous Hank Pym episode have been the stand outs.
September 23rd, 2021, 12:06 PM
mth
Party Thor episode was pretty weak. A few of these are ending with cliffhangers that are more interesting than the bulk of the episode. Unless there's going to be a second season, I assume those will remain nothing but cliffhangers, just fun ideas to leave you pondering.
Keep hearing people talk about when they'll all crossover or when The Watcher is going to intervene but with it progressing closer and closer to the last episode, I am really doubting that either of those things are actually going to happen. I know the promo material showed different characters together but that's promo material and we've seen stuff in trailers that's not in the actual product. At this point, if those things happen, it's seems like it's going to either be rushed and potentially unsatisfying (like a lot of the episodes have been) or it's going to be a cliffhanger ending that's not going to be resolved until there's a second season (like how a lot of the episodes have ended).
September 23rd, 2021, 1:47 PM
TimeSplitter
I believe season two has already been announced. With only two episodes left, it might be tough to pull all these stories together in that time.
September 23rd, 2021, 2:42 PM
Jimmy Zero
Wait, are these stories supposed to ultimately be tied together somehow? I just assumed they were essentially standalone episodes, much like the comic book was made up of standalone issues that didn't tie into a larger story.
Honestly, other than the T'challa as Starlord and Hank Pym episodes, I think these have been incredibly boring. I don't get the point of the stories being told. Are these supposed to serve as a bit more of an intro for the audience to the concept of the multiverse as established in Dr. Strange, or is there some greater point that I'm missing? I also think the Watcher's pontificating comes off as silly and pretentious. I'm not sure if I just don't like this show (I loved the comic when I was younger, so I was looking forward to this), or if I'm missing something obvious.
September 26th, 2021, 10:46 AM
JuveLeo
I'm positive the episodes will tie in together. With The Watcher gathering the heroes to battle a big threat (see end of party Thor's episode.)
September 28th, 2021, 12:40 AM
mth
Just saw Marvel's promo for this week's episode on FB, and the character that appeared at the end of the last episode is going to be on it, so this'll be the first continuation of a story and likely the start of all the shit possibly coming together.
September 28th, 2021, 6:49 AM
virms
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Originally Posted by mth
Just saw Marvel's promo for this week's episode on FB, and the character that appeared at the end of the last episode is going to be on it, so this'll be the first continuation of a story and likely the start of all the shit possibly coming together.
It's ultron with the vision inside of him with the infinity stones embedded into him.
September 28th, 2021, 8:42 AM
Pablo Diablo
I bet mth was just trying to avoid spoilers.
September 28th, 2021, 11:12 AM
mth
Yeah, just being considerate if anyone hasn't caught up yet.
September 28th, 2021, 11:22 AM
TimeSplitter
Does anyone else hit the skip intro button to avoid being spoiled on who will show up in an episode?
September 28th, 2021, 11:32 AM
Fro
Personally I don’t care about spoilers on a cartoon show about fake hypotheticals that won’t matter. But that’s just me! To each their own.
inb4 the watcher shows up in Doctor Strange 2
September 28th, 2021, 11:39 AM
Nash Diesel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Zero
Wait, are these stories supposed to ultimately be tied together somehow? I just assumed they were essentially standalone episodes, much like the comic book was made up of standalone issues that didn't tie into a larger story.
Honestly, other than the T'challa as Starlord and Hank Pym episodes, I think these have been incredibly boring. I don't get the point of the stories being told. Are these supposed to serve as a bit more of an intro for the audience to the concept of the multiverse as established in Dr. Strange, or is there some greater point that I'm missing? I also think the Watcher's pontificating comes off as silly and pretentious. I'm not sure if I just don't like this show (I loved the comic when I was younger, so I was looking forward to this), or if I'm missing something obvious.
They're just based on the "What if..." comics. They were entirely separate from what was going on with the actual characters in other books. For example, there's one about what if Storm never joined the X-Men. It's not even about a multi-verse really it's just fantasy booking comic book characters, stories, etc.
September 29th, 2021, 10:56 PM
Pablo Diablo
Well then. Looking forward to the season finale.
September 29th, 2021, 11:47 PM
JuveLeo
Good episode. Better than the previous two. Only downfall about today's episode was, it felt extremely short! Those 30 minutes or so go by quickly.
September 30th, 2021, 4:52 PM
MTR
Looks like they are putting it all together and not just random stories with no link according to the writers. Nice way to put together this first season.
October 1st, 2021, 11:03 AM
Nash Diesel
Great episode. It might be my favorite one so far.
October 6th, 2021, 11:14 AM
TimeSplitter
A pretty fun finale
-I wonder if there was suppose to be an episode with Gamora and Tony where she kills Thanos. A bit like the "Oh yeah, Xandar got destroyed" in Infinity War.
- Getting the team together was good. A lot of the Watcher's dialogue felt a bit odd. Maybe that is just due to him not being terribly involved in previous episodes.
- Fun fight sequences across the board.
- The ending with Dr Strange with a pocket dimension is a lot of fun.
- Wish there was some tie-in to everything else.
- Overall a fun season, and I would be up for more seasons.
October 6th, 2021, 7:07 PM
Pablo Diablo
Regarding your first point
Apparently it was supposed to be a 10 episode season but COVID led to one being cut, I imagine it was the Gamora one. A spoiler about what I've heard was in that which I'll put behind a second spoiler tag since they might use it in season 2
In the first Avengers movie Tony doesn't get back through the portal. Ends up being blasted to Sakaar from Thor:Ragnarok. Somehow meets up with Gamora and they kill Thanos.
October 7th, 2021, 12:21 AM
mth
Yeah, there was definitely a missing episode which is a shame. Decent finale if a bit underwhelming honestly. Everything always ends with a punch up and some blasty things that don't work so they do more punching and blasting for a bit and then realize how they should really win the thing that they could have just done in the first place and saved all the punching and blasting. And magic and powers are always wildly inconsistent and not clearly defined. Also, no idea why Watcher chose big dumb idiot Thor who mostly was mostly useless and almost fucking things up every step of the way. Overall, I think this show could have benefited from the episodes being twice as long. It was fine but easily the least best of the series so far.
October 7th, 2021, 9:15 AM
TimeSplitter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo
Regarding your first point
Apparently it was supposed to be a 10 episode season but COVID led to one being cut, I imagine it was the Gamora one. A spoiler about what I've heard was in that which I'll put behind a second spoiler tag since they might use it in season 2
In the first Avengers movie Tony doesn't get back through the portal. Ends up being blasted to Sakaar from Thor:Ragnarok. Somehow meets up with Gamora and they kill Thanos.
I saw this on a few outlets a bit after I posted this yesterday.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mth
Yeah, there was definitely a missing episode which is a shame. Decent finale if a bit underwhelming honestly. Everything always ends with a punch up and some blasty things that don't work so they do more punching and blasting for a bit and then realize how they should really win the thing that they could have just done in the first place and saved all the punching and blasting. And magic and powers are always wildly inconsistent and not clearly defined. Also, no idea why Watcher chose big dumb idiot Thor who mostly was mostly useless and almost fucking things up every step of the way. Overall, I think this show could have benefited from the episodes being twice as long. It was fine but easily the least best of the series so far.
I think I will be taking a Game of Thrones approach to Marvel shows. The penultimate episode was always the big moment of the year, and the finale wrapped things up and set us up for the following season.
I agree that magic is inconsistent in the MCU. Hopefully they start fixing that post WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness.
Happy there will be a season two. Now to re-read Matt Fraction's Hawkeye run before the show debuts. Highly recommend it to everyone as well, it is an incredible read and will make you love Kate Bishop more.
October 9th, 2021, 12:07 PM
Fro
I thought the finale and the season as a whole was pretty cool. No real complaints from me. The Thor party boy episode from a few back was one of my favorites. It was surely the most silly of all the episodes but I thought it was funny.
In terms of magic/power consistency it didn’t really make sense that
Ultron + all 6 infinity stones was even capable of being stopped by the guardians. Once you get all 6 you’re not gonna be stopped especially when you’re a non-mortal cyborg like Ultron. But I don’t care because this show is just for funsies IMO.
October 11th, 2021, 6:36 PM
WWXChairman
He wasn’t stopped by the Guardians, though. He was stopped by a competing AI.
November 25th, 2021, 11:43 PM
mth
First two episodes of Hawkeye have dropped. Pretty decent so far but the ball's really just getting rolling so it's a bit soon to really say much. I like the Xmas tone, nice way to get into the holiday spirit. Oh and the Avengers musical is amazing and they should totally make it for real.
November 26th, 2021, 9:35 PM
virms
I'm enjoying it thus far. Definitely good cliffhangers for both episodes. The 2nd episode went by so fast that when they revealed the boss at the end I was intrigued to get to see her and nope...episode over and now I gotta wait.
I will say I forgot who ronin even was though. :ashamed:
November 29th, 2021, 10:07 PM
Nash Diesel
Quote:
Originally Posted by mth
First two episodes of Hawkeye have dropped. Pretty decent so far but the ball's really just getting rolling so it's a bit soon to really say much. I like the Xmas tone, nice way to get into the holiday spirit. Oh and the Avengers musical is amazing and they should totally make it for real.
I'm with you on all of this especially the musical (That guy wasn't even there, who? Ant-Man) lol.
It made me think of the play in Thor Ragnarok.
Big fan of Hawkeye both in comics and on tv/movies. I dig the story and I hope it continues to get better.
December 1st, 2021, 8:53 PM
Fro
I watched the third episode. I think the third one might have been my least favorite. Maybe I’m being a spoil sport but I thought the arrows in this episode were kinda cheesy, and that car chase scene in general was underwhelming. I like Echo so far and her backstory was the coolest part of the episode easily, but the Clint deaf stuff didn’t add anything. The humor between he and Kate was not great IMO.
This show so far has some potential but I’m not loving it. I hope it improves when Tony Dalton and Vera Farmiga get more involved in the plot. It’s like we’re waiting to find out what side they’re on, and maybe that will kick things into gear. We’re halfway through and I feel like not much interesting has happened.
December 2nd, 2021, 6:30 PM
mth
Heh. i think ep. three was probably my favorite so far. I really enjoyed the car chase/trick arrow scene a lot and thought it was loads of fun. The rotating camera work at the start of it was really cool, too. Honestly thought it was one of the more memorable scenes in the MCU TV series thus far. I also thought the hearing issues for Clint added an interesting wrinkle to things and the scene with him and Kate on the phone with his boy was very touching.
December 2nd, 2021, 6:45 PM
Fro
I’ve seen other people also saying episode 3 was their favorite, so I’m probably in the minority. Whatever, just wasn’t my cup of tea.
Renner is really good in this role regardless. He is a better actor than Mackie and Sebastian Stan IMO. And Steinfeld is solid enough.
December 2nd, 2021, 7:17 PM
TimeSplitter
This whole show was going to be made/broken by the Renner/Steinfeld chemistry. They are so great together. Really digging the show so far. The Fraction/Aja comic run this show is based on is spectacular and this is a good MCU adaptation of it.
December 2nd, 2021, 8:40 PM
Jimmy Zero
I've enjoyed the first 3 episodes quite a bit, but then I also love the comic run this show is based on. Definitely interested to see where this goes.
December 2nd, 2021, 8:51 PM
virms
So you aren't boycotting the show because the og artist 8snt getting any money from this?
December 2nd, 2021, 8:57 PM
Jimmy Zero
Lol fuck no. He doesn't own shit, and doesn't deserve extra compensation. He created the art that's been used on the show for Marvel. Cry me a river.
Did he compensate the Who for ripping off a very similar style they used on their albums and promotional material back when they first broke in the mid-1960s? I doubt it.
December 3rd, 2021, 10:54 AM
mth
So the actress that plays Echo is a legit deaf amputee which is pretty rad.
December 4th, 2021, 5:12 AM
Bert
I haven't watched any of it yet but I saw Hawkeye and girl Hawkeye both learned some sign language to talk with her and thought that was pretty cool.
December 6th, 2021, 11:47 AM
Jimmy Zero
Not sure if this the right thread, but I just saw that Kevin Feige confirmed that Charlie Cox will be returning as Daredevil. That is awesome news. And if it opens the door for D’Onofrio’s Kingpin to come into the MCU I will pass out from euphoria.
December 6th, 2021, 3:49 PM
Nash Diesel
How strong are the rumors that John Bernthal is going to reprise his role as Punisher? I don't think Netflix did him justice in terms of we needed way more than what they gave us. I would also love to see him incorporated into the Spidey universe.
December 6th, 2021, 10:23 PM
Jimmy Zero
I don't buy that Disney would do Bernthal's Punisher in the first place, let alone do it the justice that it deserves.
December 7th, 2021, 12:03 PM
Nash Diesel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Zero
I don't buy that Disney would do Bernthal's Punisher in the first place, let alone do it the justice that it deserves.
I do. They're going to have to figure out a way with Deadpool as it is. Disney won't put out an R-Rated Punisher movie directly. Disney is pretty high up the food chain. There are a lot of movies that you'd be shocked they had a hand in getting released i.e. Scream.
I think they could definitely pull it off. Not everything with Punisher needs to be blood and guts. He's one of my absolute favorites and we need to see him in the mix.
December 7th, 2021, 8:51 PM
Jimmy Zero
It's not the blood and guts I think Disney will shy away from as much as they will refuse to go as hard as the Netflix series did in how flawed and immoral the military/police can be. For as one note as people say the Punisher is as a character, there's a lot more nuance to the stories he's involved in than they're given credit for. Sure, there are a lot of Punisher stories that just amount to "let's see how many different way we can think of to kill people," but there's a depth to the character that tends to be ignored. I'd say the Netflix series is the only mainstream portrayal of Punisher that got it right (Warzone is dope for the blood and guts stuff, though).
I just don't see Disney going as far as they should with it. I hope I'm wrong.
December 13th, 2021, 8:39 PM
Fro
Hawkeye is still not very good IMO. The writing and action is not good enough to prop up this level of teasing the viewer/mystery plot lines. WTF is even going on in this show?
Spoilers up to episode 4:
We're 4 episodes in with 2 to go and there isn't even a villain. Whose Rolex is that? Are Vera Farmiga and Tony Dalton good or bad? Who hired Yelena and why did she briefly non-fatally attack Clint and then leave? At some point you need to have a plot not just teases of a plot. That fight on the roof between the 4 characters was so awkward. I don't know why any of you are fighting with each other and then you all just ran away from the fight and it was over. What was the point?
EDIT: oops I forgot Val sent Yelena after Clint but the point remains.
We'll see how this finishes but right now I feel this is the 4th best of the 4 D+ live action MCU shows. Renner deserves better writing.
December 13th, 2021, 10:12 PM
Nash Diesel
The problem for me is all of these shows have been way too short.
But we also have to remember, these are shows meant to build up the next phase of movies. These are pieces to a gigantic puzzle and I'm digging them all. I'll say this, I think Loki was the weakest so far but I'm more into the Captain America type characters than I am the Thor characters. It's just a little too silly. But I loved WandaVision because of the homage it was paying to so many shows.
Netflix spoiled me. I'm judging everything off those shows like Luke Cage and Daredevil. None of them are up to snuff.
December 14th, 2021, 3:28 PM
Bert
Wandavision was the best one. Loki 2nd.
December 16th, 2021, 9:20 AM
TimeSplitter
Things have picked up for the finale next week:
The Kingpin reveal was not a surprise but still cool. D'Onofrio was one of the highlights of the Netflix shows, so I'm glad he is back. The image in the credits with Fisk's shadow looming over New York was beautiful.
The Yelena/Kate dynamic will be fun for future projects as well. Will the mom be revealed to be Madame Masque? Or just someone working for/with Kingpin? Excited for the finale.
I am also pleasantly surprised how much Linda Cardellini has been in the show. Love that she is Clint's woman in the chair.
December 16th, 2021, 11:21 AM
mth
Good fourth episode. Big fan of Yelena and her interaction with Kate was enjoyable. The big reveal at the end was not super surprising for me but at the same time, folks have thought signs were pointing to people in the past who did not materialize (Mephisto). Excited for the finale.
December 16th, 2021, 11:22 AM
Nash Diesel
Round of applause for last night's episode.
@TimeSplitter I know you said that wasn't a surprise, I have barely heard anything about Kingpin and definitely had no clue he would be part of this series. But I was just starting to re-watch Season 3 of Daredevil and D'Onofrio is incredible in that role.
December 16th, 2021, 12:18 PM
TimeSplitter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash Diesel
Round of applause for last night's episode.
@TimeSplitter I know you said that wasn't a surprise, I have barely heard anything about Kingpin and definitely had no clue he would be part of this series. But I was just starting to re-watch Season 3 of Daredevil and D'Onofrio is incredible in that role.
Per your spoiler:
The comic run this is loosely based on has Kingpin as the big bad. Vincent D'Onofrio himself has had some cryptic tweets about this show as well. Echo's backstory also heavily involves the character, and he seems like a natural character for her show when it comes out.
Agreed that he the biggest highlight of Daredevil for me. With him and Charlie Cox being in trailers for the other Disney+ shows, it seems like they will cherry pick from the Netflix shows. I know Daredevil's rights went back, but I am not sure the status of the other shows.
December 16th, 2021, 12:23 PM
Nash Diesel
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeSplitter
Per your spoiler:
The comic run this is loosely based on has Kingpin as the big bad. Vincent D'Onofrio himself has had some cryptic tweets about this show as well. Echo's backstory also heavily involves the character, and he seems like a natural character for her show when it comes out.
Agreed that he the biggest highlight of Daredevil for me. With him and Charlie Cox being in trailers for the other Disney+ shows, it seems like they will cherry pick from the Netflix shows. I know Daredevil's rights went back, but I am not sure the status of the other shows.
That's what I figured. I'm not too familiar with anything comic book related to the show but I did know that Kingpin and Daredevil would soon be part of the shows. I also dodge a ton of trailers and news because of reasons like this. It definitely makes me sad that this is about to wrap up.
December 17th, 2021, 6:42 PM
Fro
Episode 5 was a major step up in quality IMO. Good stuff.
December 22nd, 2021, 2:39 PM
Chris
What a finale. I loved every minute of that.
They juggled everything so well. In other finales, I wish certain characters had more time but I thought they did a great job checking in on everyone. Even the LARPers were kept busy.
I thought the tone was perfect. I’m so glad they kept it light rather than escalating it to uber-serious stakes. The owl flying away with the shrunken van was brilliant and it was a welcome return to the trick arrows.
Kate and Yelena have such a natural chemistry. The elevator scene and their running battle through the offices was great. They could easily lead their own show together.
Clint doing Natasha’s whistle was a nice callback to the film. I’m glad they gave that scene time to breathe and showed how much Yelena misses Natasha.
Jack happily slicing and dicing the tracksuit thugs in the background was hilarious.
Kingpin was in this way more than I expected. Based on the source material, I’m guessing he’s been blinded rather than killed by Maya.
Maybe people were expecting some big character to show up in the post-credits scene, but I love that they just gave us 5 mins of the musical.
December 24th, 2021, 4:00 PM
mth
Hawkeye finale was dope. :yes:
Really happy to see Kigpin get so much screentime and a nice fight scene. Don't remember him being so durable in Daredevil but I didn't see the third season. Pretty certain Maya only injured him with that gunshot and he'll be back as her antagonist in Echo.
Agree with Chris on the Kate/Yelena dynamic and I'd love to see a long term team-up between them.
Trick arrow-fest was rad.
Rogers: The Musical in "full" was such a treat and legit good. They really ought to consider making a full-ass musical, even if it's just a TV special. I would watch the shit out of it.
Would rank this pretty high among the series. Probably go: WandaVision, Cap/WS, Hawkeye, Loki, What If?.
December 24th, 2021, 4:43 PM
Bert
Watched through Hawkeye yesterday. It was pretty good. I think I'd still rank it 3rd behind Loki and Wandavision.
December 26th, 2021, 2:53 PM
Fro
I thought the finale was alright. Overall underwhelmed with this series. I want/need to watch Daredevil, and I've had it on my watch list for a while. Maybe I'll give it a go sometime soon.
I would go:
Loki > WandaVision > TFAWS > Hawkeye
I'll keep What If off the rankings since I think cartoons are in a different category.
December 26th, 2021, 3:15 PM
Fro
Here is the potential lineup for 2022:
Moon Knight
She-Hulk
Secret Invasion
Ms. Marvel
I Am Groot
Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
Pretty good, though we know delays can happen. Moon Knight looks really cool. Secret Invasion with Samuel L should be huge, and so will the Guardians ones.
She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel are the ones I'm not very hyped for at this time.
December 26th, 2021, 5:20 PM
mth
Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk are the ones I'm most hyped about.
Trailer was a trailer. Fingers crossed this doesn’t take forever to get to what we want which is Moon Knight being Moon Knight. I feel like there are too many stories now where the protagonist is figuring out who he is when we the viewers do.
The suit looks cool.
Popped hard seeing Khonshu.
January 19th, 2022, 11:48 PM
mth
One of Moon Knight's stars, Gaspard Ulliel, 37, has died in a skiing accident. :(
March 12th, 2022, 6:40 PM
Peter Griffin
So Moon Knight is the first Marvel on Disney Plus series where I have no idea on the subject matter. Other than the trailer, As a total noob, What do I need to know?
March 12th, 2022, 8:05 PM
mth
Do you need to know anything? Why not go in blind?
March 12th, 2022, 9:49 PM
Fro
Yea I mean, I knew nothing about pretty much every character in the MCU except maybe The Hulk and Captain America prior to the MCU. There's nothing you need to know. But of course some people prefer to know the source material first and that's fine too.
I also knew a little bit about Iron Man from Ghostface Killah albums.
March 13th, 2022, 4:22 AM
Peter Griffin
Fair enough chaps.
March 13th, 2022, 10:30 AM
Nash Diesel
Quote:
Originally Posted by mth
Do you need to know anything? Why not go in blind?
Sounds like someone who doesn't know anything about Moon Knight.
It doesn't hurt to know certain things but it can also help you avoid being overly critical of certain elements. This is a character that obviously the Marvel team know is maybe C-level at best in popularity, no different than Guardians. And Guardians is one of the best.
March 13th, 2022, 11:08 AM
mth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash Diesel
Sounds like someone who doesn't know anything about Moon Knight.
It doesn't hurt to know certain things but it can also help you avoid being overly critical of certain elements. This is a character that obviously the Marvel team know is maybe C-level at best in popularity, no different than Guardians. And Guardians is one of the best.
Or it sounds like someone who's simply asking a question. Moon Knight's been one of my favorite characters since 4th or 5th grade. I thought someone like PG might not want to know anything about it so it's all fresh and new, no possible spoilers, no preconceived ideas, and they learn about it as they watch. Sometimes going in blind increases your enjoyment 'cuz you have no expectations. Things might surprise you that you'd have known were coming otherwise, etc.
March 13th, 2022, 1:04 PM
Peter Griffin
Valid points all round really, I really enjoyed Falcoln and The winter Soldier even though I have not seen a Captain America standalone film, So wasn't that familiar with Bucky.
March 13th, 2022, 1:16 PM
Kdestiny
I know nothing about Moon Knight and am excited to go into it blind
New trailer and release date for Ms. Marvel - June 8th. Personally, this doesn't appeal to me. If I were 12 years old, sure. Not to say only kids can enjoy this, and I have zero problem with a comic book/Disney studio putting out content targeted toward youths because that's exactly what they should do, but it's just not for me.
I really liked Captain Marvel (the movie), but if Ms. Marvel is going to be the second lead in the sequel (The Marvels), then my hype level is pretty low. Hawkeye similarly bridged the gap by having an established adult MCU star paired with a Disney Channel-type character, and I thought it was fairly lame.
March 15th, 2022, 11:10 AM
mth
I'm here for it. I've read a decent chunk of the comics and really enjoyed them.
March 15th, 2022, 11:42 AM
3puppies
I actually liked the Hawkeye series more than I expected because Hawkeye isn't really all that powerful, and it was his interaction with both the mere mortals and the superheroes that made it fun.
I was less of a fan of the Captain Marvel movie because the character seems too strong, and therefore is a lot less interesting.
March 15th, 2022, 12:59 PM
VHS
The Ms. Marvel trailer has like ehhh yeah not for me.
It looks like another story about someone daydreaming about being a super hero then they get powers through convenient circumstances and boom they call themselves a super hero without knowing what it even means to be a superhero. If anything, it comes off as a villain story. With great undeserved power comes great mediocrity.
March 15th, 2022, 8:52 PM
mth
Quote:
Originally Posted by VHS
The Ms. Marvel trailer has like ehhh yeah not for me.
It looks like another story about someone daydreaming about being a super hero then they get powers through convenient circumstances and boom they call themselves a super hero without knowing what it even means to be a superhero. If anything, it comes off as a villain story. With great undeserved power comes great mediocrity.
It's funny you should say that when that literally is kind of exactly the whole point for the first while. She gets powers, slaps on a costume, and think she's a hero but realizes she has no idea what she's doing and what that really entails, the baggage/responsabilities that come with it, and fucks up a bunch along the way. She learns the hard way that powers/costume =/= superhero and and that leads to her character growth, etc.
March 15th, 2022, 9:18 PM
Kdestiny
I think it looks like it could be pretty fun. I'm gonna give it a go.
March 15th, 2022, 9:28 PM
Nash Diesel
Looks corny as fuck but I'll still check it out. I'd rather a mini series than a full blown movie.
March 16th, 2022, 12:06 AM
3puppies
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash Diesel
Looks corny as fuck but I'll still check it out. I'd rather a mini series than a full blown movie.
This. If it was a movie I would probably skip it. In a mini series, I can decide if it is worthwhile.
March 30th, 2022, 4:25 PM
Chris
Really enjoyed the first episode of Moon Knight. Nice mix of a light tone with some horror imagery. I like how we’re seeing everything from his perspective and how confused he is when he sees what has happened while he was blacked out. That was nicely done during the car chase. Overall a good set-up for a new show.
March 31st, 2022, 10:00 AM
MTR
I enjoyed the first episode. I have very little knowledge of Moon Knight so was not sure what to expect.
March 31st, 2022, 12:48 PM
mth
Holy shit, yes. First episode has me HOOKED. As someone who's big into super heroes and horror (particularly psychological/WTF is going on? type), this shit is my jam. Totally echo Chris' sentiments from above. The comedy was great, the horror was great, and that final scene/reveal was sick. Excellent start. I was super hyped going in and it did not disappoint.
March 31st, 2022, 12:49 PM
MTR
My wife was fusing as I was watching it last night because I think she got hooked as well and she didn't want to get hooked on another show. :lol:
April 1st, 2022, 9:07 PM
Horatio
Been waiting for this since before it was even announced.
Can't believe it's finally here (had to wait another day to see it, but that's okay).
Love that a top 5 favorite singer of mine can be heard singing within seconds of the first scene's start. Very promising, but these things don't always deliver. In this case, it did.
Moon Knight directly delves into the occult, which is always an aspect of Marvel mythos, and when a writer zeros in on the gods (for a viewing audience expecting to see a microcosm of god-hood), it's hard to go wrong. Shit writes itself basically.
I have yet to feel let down by a Marvel movie and I don't plan to become a critic watching Moon Knight. Hopefully we can all learn something from such an enjoyable show if nothing else...
I'm glad this place is such a deadzone, 'cause I do not wanna hear any theories about any of this show's mysterious aspects (it's good vs evil with mental health/decision-making at the center, same as life).
Gonna watch it again.
April 3rd, 2022, 12:34 PM
Fro
Episode 1 was badass. Really enjoyed it as a character intro.
April 4th, 2022, 12:05 PM
Nash Diesel
Very solid first episode. Oscar Isaac is good shit.
April 6th, 2022, 7:03 PM
Chris
Isaac is really delivering the goods here. The second episode had lots of nice interplay between Steven and Marc. The ending was powerful as it juxtaposed Steven’s terror in losing control with Marc’s rage at how much he’s endured while not being in control. I also liked seeing more of Harrow’s philosophy and how Khonshu is perceived by various characters.
I went into this with fairly low expectations, simply because I haven’t read many Moon Knight comics, but it’s been great so far. Like Hawkeye, it breaks away from the normal MCU mould and balances humour with action and serious stuff.
April 7th, 2022, 2:05 PM
Nash Diesel
I watched episode 2 and realized I can't do 2 things at once while watching this show. I kept having to go back a couple times because I missed a few parts and then it was super quiet so I needed the captions lol.
Moon Knight is someone that I've always liked his look and really wish I had spent more time reading books with him in it. I only have like maybe 3-4 comics with him in it but one is a collab with him, Punisher, and Daredevil. Pretty dope.
April 7th, 2022, 5:44 PM
mth
Second episode was great. Once again, Chris nailed my thoughts so I'll try not to just repeat what he said.
Love how Khonshu is a crusty old buzzard both literally and figuratively and not necessarily a pure god who's in the right.
The DID stuff is fascinating and well executed.
I've seen some folks online who are mad about how Mr. Knight was introduced as seemingly just a gag about the "suit" however i think they're being premature and that the persona is going to develop more as the series progresses considering he's in the promo material looking pretty badass. I think Steven's going to get a better handle on things and develop that persona further into something more respectable.
I hope Harrow's purple energy stick isn't a sign of another series that ends with a big beam of energy shooting into the sky or a big punch-up with folks shooting each other with laser beams.