Playstation 3: Discussion [Archive]

Croc

September 2nd, 2004, 6:07 PM

Seriously, why anyone could complain about the PS2 controller is beyond me. The ONLY flaw with it is it isn't designed properly to accomodate FPS games like Halo. The lack of a trigger button makes it far less realistic, however aside from that I can think of no reason why they would change it.

As for the PS3's release date, I've heard 2006 too but I've also heard they are being held up by a lack of software development. They're trying to do something with it that isn't possible with the type of chips and software on the market. That said, PS2 is next up in the Next-Gen race. PS2 is the oldest consule on the market now, but it is also the most successful. They could wait until 2007 if they wanted to and I wouldn't care, but they probably won't wait any longer than that. My guess is it comes out in time for Christmas in 2006 and if it doesn't meet that date, then it will be first or second quarter 2007.

Ozanne

September 2nd, 2004, 6:21 PM

What are they trying to do with the PS3 that they can't?

Croc

September 2nd, 2004, 6:31 PM

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/12/news_6102332.html

"While surprising in its timing, Kutaragi's announcement jibes nicely with the preconceived order of the next-generation console race. Most analysts had predicted the PS3 to hit the markets in early 2006, several months after Sony stated it will begin mass production of the vaunted Cell processor it is developing with Toshiba and IBM. On the software side, Kutaragi said the first version of the PS3’s development kit will be distributed to developers during the first half of Sony's 2006 fiscal year (calendar Q2 and Q3 2005), followed by the second SDK in the second half (calendar Q4 2005 and Q1 2006)."

That article actually conflicts with what I just said, saying that they plan on having the software done by Q3 2005. Of course it is a July 12th article so the thing I am thinking of might have been reported later.

*continues to look*

The Great Dave

September 2nd, 2004, 7:04 PM

If it aint broke, dont fix it, i think its near perfect, the only thing that should possibly be changed is the shape of the handles, to make them fit better into your palm (a bit like the GC pad, but the less said about that the better)

Correction: the Gamecube controller is perfect. No other controller has ever felt as comfortable in my hands. I hate the buttons on the PS2, and the whole mold of it is just so uncomfortable. Plus the Gamecube's D-Pad and analogue sticks own the Playstation's in every way.

But you know, I KNEW the second I mentioned the controller I ran the risk of having to rant like this against the evils that is the Dual Shock 2. So if you don't like the Gamecube's one and like the Dual Shock, tis awesome. I just have to defend Nintendo is all :)

Croc

September 2nd, 2004, 7:13 PM

Sorry but the second analog stick on the Gamecube is awkward and the B button is too small.

Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher

September 2nd, 2004, 7:18 PM

Correction: the Gamecube controller is perfect. No other controller has ever felt as comfortable in my hands. I hate the buttons on the PS2, and the whole mold of it is just so uncomfortable. Plus the Gamecube's D-Pad and analogue sticks own the Playstation's in every way.

But you know, I KNEW the second I mentioned the controller I ran the risk of having to rant like this against the evils that is the Dual Shock 2. So if you don't like the Gamecube's one and like the Dual Shock, tis awesome. I just have to defend Nintendo is all :)
fanboy. i have never been a big fan of the ps2, but even i have to admit they have the best controller. anyone who denies it is either a fanboy or has some seriously messed up hands.

Proto Man

September 2nd, 2004, 7:27 PM

The PS2 "Dual Shock" is far from perfect. We have the problems with the mold of the handles and then we have the god awful D Pad. The D pad on the dual shock 2 is easily the worst out of the main 3, it's "connected but not connected" feel just makes it a pain in the ass when you're playing games like Street Fighter.

Croc

September 2nd, 2004, 7:43 PM

Okay I do admit the D pad is pretty crap on the PS2 now that I think about it, but the only games I use it for are my old PS1 RPGs (if anyone knows how to get Chrono Cross or FFVII to work with analog sticks please tell me) and it isn't too annoying since I don't need responsive control.

TapOut

September 2nd, 2004, 7:57 PM

While I love the Dual Shock, we can't always go with the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" theory.

Remember, we don't even know what features will be on the PS3. It might be NECESSARY to have a new controller, or at least an altered design of the Dual Shock to conform to the new ps3, much like the super nintendo controller had a similar design to the original nintendo controller, but obviously needed more buttons and had an altered design.

So yes, I love the dual-shock, but really can't see them using the EXACT same controller. Not to mention, a better controller with more features might cost more, and if it cost more, then guess who gets more money? That's right. Trust me....PS1 was a lucky lotto ticket for Sony. PS2 confirmed it was onto something, and when the PS3 comes out, Sony will spare no expenses.....they will add everything they can and milk us for all it's worth. However, I think any money we spend will be well worth it....the PS3 will rock.

Proto Man

September 2nd, 2004, 8:12 PM

Mattitude!

September 2nd, 2004, 8:26 PM

The Great Dave

September 2nd, 2004, 8:37 PM

fanboy. i have never been a big fan of the ps2, but even i have to admit they have the best controller. anyone who denies it is either a fanboy or has some seriously messed up hands.

I am a fanboy, but that has nothing to do with it. I hated the Nintendo 64 controller.

(Well, I hated it, but that hasn't stopped every single company since ripping off it's technology. "Dual Shock"? That's a rumble pak, and don't you forget it. Analoge? Triggers under the main pad? Etc etc etc.)

Anyways; compare the analogue sticks of the GC and the PS. Then compare the D-Pads. I'll agree the button layout on the GC is a little odd, but it works fine for most games. Fighters, maybe not.

And last I checked, my hands were perfectly average.

The Rogerer

September 2nd, 2004, 8:40 PM

The Dualshock has a number of flaws.

1. Poor d-pad. Try playing a Street Fighter, and it just doesn't roll the way it should.

2. Poor analogue sticks. They have quite a large dead zone which can make aiming quite difficult in many games

3. Main button placement: Hitting some buttons at the same time (like Circle and Square, etc) is impossible without taking your hand away from the shoulder buttons/right analogue stick.

I'm not a fanboy.

Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher

September 2nd, 2004, 10:41 PM

i never said the dual shock didn't have its flaws, i just said it's the best console controller out there right now.

S.H. Styles

September 2nd, 2004, 10:43 PM

The Dual shocks fine. Sony will probably modify it slightly for the Dual Shock 3. What they'll change is beyond me. D-pad is useful for navigating menu's.

I'm pretty sure Sam posted a Playstation 3 thread here ages ago. But, it was ages ago and I can't seem to find it now.

Any more news on this "CELL TECHNOLOGY"?

I did, but fuck it. We should make this a sticky with the words "PS3 Discussion thread."

I'm sorry- did I say "we?"

Anyway, there are like 45332326677 designs out right now of both the PS3, its controllers, its games, its slots, etc. But, they're just designs from artists. Sony hasn't selected one yet.

However, I really, really, really hope they go with this one:

http://www.chinagba.com/article/NEWS/up_images/42079PlayStation_3_1.jpg

:drool:

The Great Dave

September 2nd, 2004, 10:51 PM

Where are the controllers plugged in? If they go all Wavebird clone on us it could be cool.

On a side note: they better change the logo. Just keeping the PS2 one and changing it to "3" is lazy. But that design up there is sexy. Shame it'll probably never be used.

Ozanne

September 3rd, 2004, 3:28 AM

Correction: the Gamecube controller is perfect. No other controller has ever felt as comfortable in my hands. I hate the buttons on the PS2, and the whole mold of it is just so uncomfortable. Plus the Gamecube's D-Pad and analogue sticks own the Playstation's in every way.

But you know, I KNEW the second I mentioned the controller I ran the risk of having to rant like this against the evils that is the Dual Shock 2. So if you don't like the Gamecube's one and like the Dual Shock, tis awesome. I just have to defend Nintendo is all :)

And there we go.

I knew you were gonna mention Nintendo, seeing as you get aroused whenever someone mentions anything to do with it.

Mattitude!

September 3rd, 2004, 8:01 AM

I did, but fuck it. We should make this a sticky with the words "PS3 Discussion thread."

I'm sorry- did I say "we?"

Anyway, there are like 45332326677 designs out right now of both the PS3, its controllers, its games, its slots, etc. But, they're just designs from artists. Sony hasn't selected one yet.

However, I really, really, really hope they go with this one:

http://www.chinagba.com/article/NEWS/up_images/42079PlayStation_3_1.jpg

:drool:
That design is massive! But I suppose the bigger the console the more power it has.

Just look at the XBOX.

The Great Dave

September 3rd, 2004, 10:14 AM

And there we go.

I knew you were gonna mention Nintendo, seeing as you get aroused whenever someone mentions anything to do with it.

I wouldn't have to if people didn't make insane claims like "The Dual Shock 2 is perfect" :). I'll try and keep Nintendo out this thread from now ons.

S.H. Styles

September 3rd, 2004, 11:51 AM

Oh, and they are wireless controllers which have something like up to 100 feet away....

:drool:

Mattitude!

September 3rd, 2004, 1:25 PM

But I can barely see the tiny screen on my TV when I'm 100mm away.

:(

Ozanne

September 3rd, 2004, 2:32 PM

I wouldn't have to if people didn't make insane claims like "The Dual Shock 2 is perfect" :). I'll try and keep Nintendo out this thread from now ons.

Obviously it isn't perfect but it is the best out there.

Croc

September 3rd, 2004, 3:07 PM

Oh, and they are wireless controllers which have something like up to 100 feet away....

:drool:

I'm sure all the people playing games on movie theater sized televisions will appreciate that.

S.H. Styles

September 3rd, 2004, 3:07 PM

But I can barely see the tiny screen on my TV when I'm 100mm away.

:(

:lol:

I meant it goes UP TO 100 Feet away. You can still play from 1-100 feet away.

The Rogerer

September 3rd, 2004, 4:29 PM

That design is ugly, at least not as ugly as the PS2.

...and Mattitude, the X-Box does have the most grunt, but I think the size is more due to the fact that they're using stock parts and also have to keep the system cool. Plus it has a hard drive and what not as standard, so it's going to be bigger for that as well.

Stan Hibbert

September 3rd, 2004, 4:54 PM

As far as FPS games are concerned, nothing beats the N64 pad. The Z-trigger behind the central stork made aiming and shooting seem so natural. :hyper:

I think debating over which pad's the best is pointless though. It's mainly down to which one you use most. I played the N64 far more than the PSOne, hence, why I prefered its pad to the DualShock. Now that the 64's dead though (and my pad's 3D sticks feel like they've had PVA glue poured into their sockets) I've played the PS2 more and now prefer the DS2. The GC pad is ok, but I don't play the machine quite as much as the PS2, so the DS2 still feels more natural.

Anyway, blah, PS3. Ain't interested in it just yet.

PGH Man O Steel

September 3rd, 2004, 7:46 PM

The N64 controller was weird because I was pulling the trigger with the left finger. Just strange to someone who uses real firearms like I do.

cobra

September 3rd, 2004, 9:29 PM

http://www.chinagba.com/article/NEWS/up_images/42079PlayStation_3_1.jpg

:drool:

That looks like something they would use in a cheap Scifi Moive

Nitram

September 3rd, 2004, 11:16 PM

Obviously it isn't perfect but it is the best out there.

Wavebird > All

Edicus2288i

September 4th, 2004, 1:34 AM

I agree the basic controller should be wireless like Wave bird. That is proabably the best thing Nintendo has done with the Gamecube.

TapOut

September 4th, 2004, 5:14 AM

I'd preffer not to have to use batteries for my controller, just my opinion.

Croc

September 4th, 2004, 10:46 AM

The batteries last a friggin long time. I've had mine since Christmas and have yet to change them and I accidently left it on one night too.

TapOut

September 4th, 2004, 11:55 AM

I'd preffer to not use batteries.

Croc

September 4th, 2004, 12:20 PM

Meh, you have to use batteries though. How else would it power itself, solar panels?

Stan Hibbert

September 4th, 2004, 1:53 PM

I think they should just change the wire on the controller from that horrible, thick shit to the thin, flexible N64-style lead.

MyMortisha

September 4th, 2004, 2:59 PM

I can't wait for this machine, I'm saving up my money now. How much is this shit all gonna cost anyway?

TapOut

September 5th, 2004, 7:20 AM

There might be seperate versions. Who knows how much it will be. my guess is around 350-500 bucks.

Deathcow

September 5th, 2004, 4:06 PM

The Dualshock has a number of flaws.

1. Poor d-pad. Try playing a Street Fighter, and it just doesn't roll the way it should.

2. Poor analogue sticks. They have quite a large dead zone which can make aiming quite difficult in many games

I can't argue about the d-pad, you've proven me wrong once more...

But the analog sticks can be taken care of, in most shooting games you can set the analog sensitivity up high enough to suit your needs.

The Great Dave

September 5th, 2004, 11:04 PM

I think the Mega Drive had a good D-Pad. Someone should rip off that style again. Unless Sega have some sort of patent on it.

Has there been anything confirmed or hinted at as to what the PS3 is going to consist of? I'm expecting all sorts of crazy (and dare I say, probably pointless) integration with different (Sony) products. But I'd like it if they could set it up as a TiVo style thing, I think a hacked X-Box can do stuff like that.

SomeDude

February 9th, 2005, 12:59 AM

The Cell, the processor that will power PS3 was revealed yesterday: http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15015-1483-x-x-x

As for power, it has plenty of it. Way more powerful than any current Pentium 4 or Athlon 64. Now what remains to be known is the price, launch, and the games.

Cubed-Sphere

February 9th, 2005, 3:45 AM

fanboy. i have never been a big fan of the ps2, but even i have to admit they have the best controller. anyone who denies it is either a fanboy or has some seriously messed up hands.
He's not a fanboy... he's a genius (maybe I'm a Dave fanboy?). I honestly agree the GC controller is the best out there right now, followed closely by the X-Box's 2nd controller, with the PS2 one in a distant third.

This is opinion, peeps. Stop hating.
Btw, the PS3 sounds sweet... I hated the PS2, graphics-wise, I hope they make a major leap in that department.

Cubed-Sphere

February 9th, 2005, 3:55 AM

That design is massive! But I suppose the bigger the console the more power it has.

Just look at the XBOX.
Meh, not really. I'd say the XBOX is the most powerful graphics-wise, no doubt, but the Gamecube is VERY close. So the size thing doesn't really matter as it's like comparing a voltzwagen (GC) to a hummer (XBOX) in size, but they have the same 0-60. Not trying to argue, bro, just saying.

The Great Dave

February 9th, 2005, 2:45 PM

Being a Dave fanboy > Being a Dual Shock 2 fanboy :cool:

The Cell sounds impressive. Of course, so did the Emotion Engine. I'd be very surprised if there is any huge gap between the PS3 and the other next gen consoles really. Even the XBox and Gamecube, which are both more technically impressive than the PS2, are hardly blowing away the PS2. I can't see PS3 blowing away the competition graphically.

Into the Black

February 9th, 2005, 2:48 PM

I can see it happening. I don't have things to back up my responce, but I can see it happening.

If they work long enough on improving the graphics, they should be able to make a big leap.

Osirus

February 11th, 2005, 11:07 AM

PS3 is looking great so far its specs will be revealed soon, and it will be playable at e3.

1st off those pics that were posted is notwhat the ps3 will look like/ there are no ps3 pics avalible anywhere yet and all the pics you see are fan created concepts.

the cell chip will run at about 4.6 ghz a big leap up from the ps2 which is around 300 mhz.
It will suposedly be fast enough to create movie qualiy cgi graphics in real time.
And will use the Blue ray disc format.
Supposedly still backwards compatible with ps2 and ps1 :)

more info on the cell.
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050207_160318.html

Rumored that ps3 will be more powerful than xbox 2

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=114240

Some renders released by EA. What they say there ps3 games will look like

http://www.psinext.com/profiles/andrew/fight1.jpg
http://www.ps3portal.com/Images/ea_screenshot_1.jpg

http://www.ps3portal.com/Images/ea_screenshot_2.jpg

Some next gen game trailers

1st is dark sector, this trailer is like a year old so it brobably looks much better by now, also they are still making these on current gen hardware since the next gen ps3 dev kits have still not been released.

http://download.beyondunreal.com/get.php/1/demos/darksectorteaser_wmv.zip

Here is wardevil, the trailer is what appear to be CGI But they have said the in game graphics wont differ much.

http://www.wardevil.com/

The Great Dave

February 11th, 2005, 12:59 PM

The PS3 will probably be much more powerful than the XBox 2 if Microsoft insist on getting a half year head start. Last I heard, the XBox 2 may not have a hard drive and will come with a standard DVD drive. That's not a problem for me, but it kind of kills what the XBox has always been about; the impression that it's the most powerful console out there. Why buy an XBox over a PS2? It has better graphics, better internet support and a hard drive. Why buy an XBox 2 over a PS3? I can't think of a single reason right now. Halo 3?

Into the Black

February 11th, 2005, 2:46 PM

Those screens do look great. I'd say in ten years those will be ingame praphics.

Osirus

February 11th, 2005, 6:50 PM

I think PS3 will be able to pull of graphics like those screens.
when PS2 was anounced they said it would have real time graphics as good as the cut scenes in final fantasy 8, and we said, no way! and you know what they were that good.

And take a look at what the ps2 is putting out now with GT4, After looking at them suddenly that EA need for speed render dosent look quite as good lol.

GT4 look ssweet! It suports 1080i (resoloution of 1920x1080. Most ps2 games are 640x480 :P)

!st pick is a picture of a tv screen so there is alot of loss in quality, but it still looks pretty good :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/DDSniper/dsc016083kl.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/013/reviews/561066_20050114_screen046.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20041001_screen002.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen025.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen185.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen232.jpg

Lol i think i got pic posting happy :P
Hopefully this game is out in a few weeks :)

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 3:36 PM

Bumping this now as the first Sony E3 event is getting underway and various PS3 things will inevitably be announced.

Miotch

May 16th, 2005, 3:50 PM

Bumping this now as the first Sony E3 event is getting underway and various PS3 things will inevitably be announced.
:cool:

Yes, I'm going to the show.

Sean

May 16th, 2005, 4:12 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/DDSniper/dsc016083kl.jpg

Woah!

Thats an actual in-game picture too! :eek:

:hyper:

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 4:19 PM

Woah!

Thats an actual in-game picture too! :eek:

:hyper:

Yes from GT4, which has been out for a while now...

TapOut

May 16th, 2005, 5:40 PM

Yes from GT4, which has been out for a while now...

Ahahaha. I thought it was kinda unimpressive.

Man, I'm really hoping the show this year unveils some big things about the next-gen systems. If they are going to be released next year, it's fitting that they start getting plenty of hype-on this year. It's going to be an all-out console war next time around, so the earlier, the better.

My only hope is that the PS3 will be able to somehow link up to the PSP in some form or another.

Sean

May 16th, 2005, 5:53 PM

Yes from GT4, which has been out for a while now...
:eek:

:ashamed:

I don't care for Gran Turismo so much, although I haven't played it in ages.

Still looks great. :$

:ashamed:!

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 7:02 PM

Breaking news from Sony.

It's going to be called the PlayStation 3. Stay tuned for more shocking details.

*edit* alright for some real news.

They're going to have slots for SD cards, compact flash, the memory stick duo and 6 :eek: usb ports. Oh and an ethernet port built in.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 7:06 PM

Hilarious.

The PS3 will be a backwards compatible console that goes far to match if not suceed all of the multimedia capabilities of the Xbox 360.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 7:08 PM

The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

The Phenom

May 16th, 2005, 7:10 PM

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

From Gamespot. Well it looks like the PS3 will indeed be more powerful than the Xbox 360, doesn't look like it comes w/ a hard drive though. Either way it's gonna be a helluva contest between the two.

Beat me to it dave. :mad:

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 7:10 PM

I prefer this one quote I read

Super computer for computer entertainment

Why didn't they call it Super PlayStation then? The SPS, the reverse PSP.

*edit* heh, the same news, three times. Nice.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 7:58 PM

http://img93.echo.cx/img93/2259/a4ln.jpg

http://members.cox.net/jtorchy/images/ps3_02.jpg

http://tomper.srv.hu/ps3-3.jpg

Nice Spiderman font you've got there, Sony...

I hate it.

Psycho

May 16th, 2005, 8:07 PM

Man that's ugly

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:09 PM

Certainly hard to say anything without seeing it in person, or even an in-reality pic, but my first impression would be unfavorable...

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 8:10 PM

Can't say I like the shape of it myself...where'd you find those pics Dave? I don't doubt their legit, just wondering where.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:13 PM

Just found them around, on my crazy E3 boards, chat rooms and site browsing.

I really think it's an ugly design. But the general reaction on places I've been has been "OMG WTF FUCKING 13333337¬!". So I guess Sony know how to sell things better than I do, unsurprisingly.

Psycho

May 16th, 2005, 8:13 PM

They're on IGN

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:15 PM

I'm wondering what the point is in having support for seven wireless controllers... I know seven is bigger than four, but come on... seven? Would eight have just broken everything?

The_Mike

May 16th, 2005, 8:18 PM

Looks alright to me, though I hope the disc insert is a drawer or hatch or something and not like a little slip-tray like in a car cd player. Scratcherific.

And 512MB RAM total, even super-duper new-fangled style of ram just seems low for a next generation does-it-all entertainment system.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:18 PM

I'm wondering how they plan on having 7 people play at the same time on one console. You gonna split the screen in 7? Maybe they'll have the PS3 act as some sort of centralised system and have it hook up to 7 different TVs or something, but that seems like a real long shot.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:21 PM

Looks alright to me, though I hope the disc insert is a drawer or hatch or something and not like a little slip-tray like in a car cd player. Scratcherific.

No, that definitely looks slot-loading.

I do enjoy the touch-buttons for Eject and Power though...

And 512MB RAM total, even super-duper new-fangled style of ram just seems low for a next generation does-it-all entertainment system.

Well there's another 512 just for the graphics processor, so...

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 8:21 PM

Only practical applications for that (7 controllers on one) are sports games.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:21 PM

http://img104.echo.cx/img104/7731/050517i4vj.jpg

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub

May 16th, 2005, 8:22 PM

Seven. Seven is the key. 7-Eleven. Seven doors. Seven little chipmunks, twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the seas. It's like you're dreamin' of gorgonzola when it's brie time, baby.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:23 PM

http://img104.echo.cx/img104/7731/050517i4vj.jpg

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

No.

No no no no no.

I refuse to believe it. No way in hell.

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 8:23 PM

....nooooooooooo.

Psycho

May 16th, 2005, 8:24 PM

Well...the handles are longer...

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub

May 16th, 2005, 8:24 PM

The best part is it comes back to you if you throw it.

Vice

May 16th, 2005, 8:26 PM

Sony is trying way too hard..

Not diggin' the look of the PS3. It just looks too smooth, and too "cool" for its own good. The controller is fucking hideous..

So far, Xbox 360 > PS3 in my opinion.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:27 PM

The best part is it comes back to you if you throw it.

No, the best part is that they have more than enough time to stop being fucking retarded and make an actual controller.

The_Mike

May 16th, 2005, 8:28 PM

No, that definitely looks slot-loading.

I do enjoy the touch-buttons for Eject and Power though...

Well there's another 512 just for the graphics processor, so...

Crap. Slot-loading sucks for discs.

Missed the other 512 for the processor, ta. That seems pretty good then.

:lol: Sheik. I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken by those controllers but... come on. PS3 owners are going to get an awfully rough time from the others. Can you imagine the bannana jokes?

Bishop_Supreme

May 16th, 2005, 8:28 PM

I was ok with the PS3 look. It reminded me a little bit of my DVD player (without the curving on the top....) But the controller looks strange.....

It kind of looks like something they'd use in a lesbian porn movie...

The Dual Shock controller is alot better, in my opinion.... but I think that.... if I have to (until they release the new and improved controllers a year or two later) then I can get used to that..... I... uh I think..

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 8:31 PM

Yes, they really should take advantage of the change without notice thing.

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub

May 16th, 2005, 8:32 PM

No, the best part is that they have more than enough time to stop being fucking retarded and make an actual controller.Oh come on, have a sense of humor. It's a fucking video game system, Sony owns the console gaming world, and the PS3 is going to have awesome games.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:33 PM

I'd be surprised if it ended up looking like that. For it is, without question, the worst controller in the history of mankind. It's the kinda thing they sell for PCs that cost £10 or so.

TapOut

May 16th, 2005, 8:33 PM

Have no problem with the system. Looks fine, hell, GREAT to me. I love the ultra-sleek and dvd-looking design. The controllers? Well, I don't really have a problem with it. Looks comfortable, albeit a bit Batmanish. I can see other not liking it. I think they should have opted for a more blockish-looking controller. Better yet, just keep the same controller they have now and color it to match the system. I could care less, really, as the controller looks comfortable and stays true to the PS/PS2 controller's layout.

Edit* Seven? What kind of goofball odd-wod number is that? Seven? I'd rather have 6 or 8...surely not 7.. I hope this is changed. I love wireless controller support (Initially I didn't, but that's the route all they systems are going, so I shouldn't fight it), but seven? SEVEN? I need to stop now, but...seven? :confused::wtf::confused:

Vice

May 16th, 2005, 8:33 PM

On second thought, I think the PS3 controller will be better once we get it in our hands. I remember looking at the Gamecube controller and downright laughing at how dumb it looked, but it quickly became my favorite controller with amazing comfort and precision.. so I'll reserve judgement on the PS3's until I get my hands on it.

Still looks like ass, but I'm sure Sony wouldn't make a worse controller than PS1/2. Well, one can hope, can they not?

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:35 PM

Oh come on, have a sense of humor. It's a fucking video game system, Sony owns the console gaming world, and the PS3 is going to have awesome games.

I don't give a fuck what the console looks like. The controller is kind of important, and I'd rather not have something that runs up my forearms for no reason.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:36 PM

Gamecube's controller did look fucking horrible when it was first shown, so I don't doubt that Sony will have plenty of time to make that one better.

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub

May 16th, 2005, 8:37 PM

I don't give a fuck what the console looks like. The controller is kind of important, and I'd rather not have something that runs up my forearms for no reason.When did I say anything about what the console looks like? My point is who cares.

TapOut

May 16th, 2005, 8:38 PM

When did I say anything about what the console looks like? My point is who cares.

Well, a lot of people would, actually. :dunno:

The_Mike

May 16th, 2005, 8:39 PM

I don't give a fuck what the console looks like. The controller is kind of important, and I'd rather not have something that runs up my forearms for no reason.

You can get cream for it, don't worry.

Psycho

May 16th, 2005, 8:39 PM

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614619/e3-2005-ps3-official-20050516053247390.jpg

Gak.

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:40 PM

So basically, it's a smooth PS2 with a retarded controller? And instead of looking like a VHS player, it looks like a DVD player?

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 8:41 PM

When did I say anything about what the console looks like? My point is who cares.

My point is that I agree with the idea that what the console looks like makes no difference, but what the controller looks like (and thus feels like) matters a shitload.

As for those games...

Hideo Kojima introduced Konami's Metal Gear Solid 4, Capcom showed off Devil May Cry 4, Namco unveiled Tekken 6, Polyphony Digital trotted out Gran Turismo 5, SCEE showed off a brutal section of the next Killzone, and Rockstar Games mentioned that a Grand Theft Auto would be released for the console.

Now that's more fucking like it. Not that any of those are entirely unexpected, but just seeing it officially makes me happy in the pants area.

Psycho

May 16th, 2005, 8:42 PM

Huh. I thought there would be no more Metal Gears.

Bishop_Supreme

May 16th, 2005, 8:43 PM

I think I heard that he was gonna let other people do Metal Gear games... but he wasn't......

I think that was on the Electric Playground show on G4 or something....

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:46 PM

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/1608/killzone029fn.jpg

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/9794/kz3039vf.jpg

Killzone.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/shiddy2/DevilMayCry01.jpg

DMC

None of those even look close to...you know...a real game.

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub

May 16th, 2005, 8:48 PM

Oh, is that Killzone?

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 8:49 PM

Batman says:

http://img209.echo.cx/img209/7903/batmanps38ba.jpg

Yes, it is Killzone.

Pablo Diablo

May 16th, 2005, 8:52 PM

Hahahaha. That's a classic picture.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 9:22 PM

Sony’s Playstation 3 demonstration was a real ear-splitting, show stopper.
Joel and Mike have posted the specs and games mentioned, but that doesn’t really capture the real-time, game demonstrations that Sony churned through during their three hour presentation.

The ones I found most impressive include the demonstration of real world objects being used to manipulate the game world with the help of the Eye Toy camera. In the demo, the creator of the Eye Toy, held up two plastic cups and used them to move their digital equivalents on the giant screen behind him. Using the Eye Toy, he was able to scoop up water and pour it from cup to cup. He also tossed sprays of water across a tub filled with floating plastic toys.

Sony also went all out to show off the graphic muscle-power of their new NVIDIA-designed chip. First they showed an action scene rendered for the PS3 using the Unreal engine. The level of detail and realism were staggering.

Later some Electronic Folks, including EA prez Larry Probst, took the stage to show off Fight Night Round 3. The superb graphics, they said, allowed them to create realistic facial expressions in both fighters. The expressions are so realistic, that a player should be able to read them to predict moves as they play, or at least that’s the plan.

The Sony presser got off to a crawl, but it sure as heck kicked it up a few thousand notches by the end of the show. After talking specs and showing the graphics power of the PS3’s NVIDIA card, Sony went through a laundry list of games, showing off tantalizing peeks at some very impressive titles.

One of the games I found most impressive was Mobil Suit Gundam, which I need right now, despite the fact the sound of the giant robots firing off shots at each other made my ears bleed.

The other one I need right now, and I mean NEED, is Killzone 2. It managed to retail all of the gothic, gritty realism of the original, but beef up the level of detail about 50 billion times.

I’ll post more from the presser later tonight. I’m sitting on a bus right now headed to the Microsoft press conference. Fun, fun, fun...

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 9:34 PM

That Eye Toy stuff sounds :yes:

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 10:41 PM

My only hope is that the PS3 will be able to somehow link up to the PSP in some form or another.

As rumored, it will also have Wi-Fi connectivity to the PSP, which can be used as a remote screen and/or controller.

And of course, for those millions and millions of people with two massive HD projection screens...

Since the console has two HD outputs, it is can be hooked up to two side-by-side HDTVs to projecting video in a 32:9 extra-widescreen format (think Cinemascope in your living room). Like a gigantic version of the Nitnendo DS, the dual digital outputs also allow for an extended game display, with the action on one screen and either game information or video chat on the second.

Oh Sony... always focusing on the important stuff...

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub

May 16th, 2005, 10:53 PM

You don't have two HD projection screens?

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 10:58 PM

Having watched the PS conference, I can safely say it was the most boring half hour of my life. Why only half an hour? Because I gave up and decided to watch Microsoft's instead. Sony literally spent a good...30 minutes talking about bumpmaping, sidemapping, dickmapping and fucking pixels.

Microsoft are far too fucking smart. They've got a bunch of hyped up kids at their show, cheering and whooing. They've got huge bright screens, and have shown loads of gameplay footage. I hate them so much.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 11:02 PM

Who gives a shit what the presentation is like? Are you there? Am I there? Who cares?

The Great Dave

May 16th, 2005, 11:06 PM

...I care because the presentations go a long way towards selling the consoles to me? My point is that Sony have basically thrown away an oppertunity to convince me to show some interest in their console.

Dan The Man

May 16th, 2005, 11:09 PM

So really they could shit in a box as long as they present it with lots of flashy lights and kids screaming?

Let me guess, you love NSync too, right?

EDIT: Do you only watch movies based on how flashy the premiere was?

The Great Dave

May 17th, 2005, 6:09 AM

I play games based on how appealing the games look. Unfortunatly, Sony spent very little time actually showing me games, which is the point I'm making. Microsoft's conference was lively and filed with gameplay footage. Sony's had a bunch of Japanese people speaking poor English talking about graphics.

Stan Hibbert

May 17th, 2005, 7:19 AM

Square-Enix had the perfect opportunity to shock and amaze by unleashing PS3 Final Fantasy VII on the world.

Just a tech demo? :nono:

Pablo Diablo

May 17th, 2005, 3:54 PM

But then again Dave. There's another E3 before the PS3 comes out most likely. the X-360 comes out before the next E3, so they have to show their games off. PS3 will likely have more games near finished to show off at the next E3, while the X-360 has this as their main chance to show off their games.

Jimini

May 17th, 2005, 5:31 PM

The PS3 itself, bar the text, looks pretty decent, as far as i'm concerned.
But the controller... :nono:

If anything, a slightly reworked dual shock, perhaps with buttons on the back, for your middle fingers to use, would, along with an improved D-pad, have done for me.
Meh, as long as it doesn't feel utter shite and the games are good, it's not that bad.

TapOut

May 17th, 2005, 5:58 PM

Like I said, I really don't have a big problem with the controller, as it stays true to the form and layout of the dual shock. But the extended bat-grip thingies just don't fit in witht he look and design of the system itself, so I would opt for a more block-shaped design. You know, something that doesn't look like I can use it to wrap around a beam and lower myself to safety.

But if as many people are unhappy with this as there on these boards, then Sony still has plenty of time to rework the design. Actually, get rid of the "bat-grips", and the controller looks pretty damn sweet.

DuskHorizon

May 18th, 2005, 3:31 AM

That non-disc thing sounds pretty cool to me. In a perfect world I'd love to just be able to save a game to a hard drive, put the disc on a shelf somewhere and play the game without it. THAT is the future. Only problem is the potential piracy issues :\

.
I can already do that with my XBOX :]

The loading screens are hilarious *zooom*.

The_Mike

May 18th, 2005, 7:35 AM

Are there any videos or screens of the Final Fantasy VII test? The IGN video seems to be down. I'm curious why it would seem such an impressive tech test - the article on IGN said it showed the PS3 can render in real-time in as much detail as the Final Fantasy VII CG movies were done in, but that really doesn't sound impressive to me at all.

http://www.animetheme.com/ff7/open_mp.jpg

That, only in-game instead of a film clip, is the best it can do?

EDIT: Well the IGN clip is back up, and I stand corrected. It looks more like the Final Fantasy VIII style, but it's the FFVII opening, and damn it looks good. For in-game graphics, that is indeed impressive. Most impressive.

Pablo Diablo

May 18th, 2005, 7:44 AM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614859p1.html

maybe this could help with the video?

*edit, nevermind you seem to ahve found it yourself.

Stan Hibbert

May 18th, 2005, 8:40 AM

http://www.animetheme.com/ff7/open_mp.jpg

That's a PSOne FFVII FMV still. The tech demo was far more impressive.

EDIT: Didn't see your edit. :dead:

Vice

May 18th, 2005, 8:44 AM

Just saw the video, and I think it's fantastic. The only problem is that I'm now pumped for a beautiful remake of VII, even though it's never going to come out..

I'd fucking love to see the summon spells with those amazing graphics. Bahamut, anyone?

Jimini

May 18th, 2005, 10:58 AM

Do we have a list of games that are under development and/or scheduled to be out for the release of the machine?
Also, when is the tentative release?

Vice

May 18th, 2005, 11:04 AM

http://ps3.ign.com/e3/2005/games/

That's a list of all the games with links to information about them, including images and videos and such. As for the release date, I don't really know.. sorry.

Jimini

May 18th, 2005, 11:19 AM

Scarface... me like. :)

blackening

May 19th, 2005, 8:02 PM

according to an article on IGN - the PS3 will cost about $465!

the design is ok i guess, but the controllers suck ass, i like the wireless idea though.

The Great Dave - it was confirmed today that the pictures of Killzone 2 are from the actual game.

The_Mike

May 19th, 2005, 8:07 PM

Because of how crappy Britain is in general, I wouldn't be surprised if it was nudging £500 here then. Which is an atrocious price for a games machine. If the PS2 is still well supported for a good while I can't imagine the PS3 getting a good leg-up in sales till the price tumbles a lot.

The Great Dave

May 19th, 2005, 8:50 PM

$465?

Unless Microsoft seriously fuck up, Sony can say goodbye to domanance in the US. I understand why you'd give your product a premium price, but $500? That's suicide.

TapOut

May 19th, 2005, 8:53 PM

Suicide? Hardly.

People said the same thing at PS2's 299 dollar pricetag. You just need look at the facts: people will pay for the machine. Hopefully, they'll include at least a little something with it as well, other than the controller, console, etc.

The Great Dave

May 19th, 2005, 9:07 PM

The difference is Sony are launching against a real challenger this time. The Dreamcast never really got any momentum, and by the time the PS2 came out it had a year to itself to build itself up. Now, you've got the 360, and Microsoft are clearly the biggest challenger Sony have had to their market since Playstation launched. If Microsoft launch the 360 at a significantly lower price, Sony will be in trouble. They don't have the luxury of being first anymore.

TapOut

May 19th, 2005, 9:15 PM

Doesn't matter, at least that's what I'm predicting. They may have some competition, but Sony is number one now, they are, at least in this day of modern technology, synonymous with video games. Sony will do just fine. More than just fine, actually.

The Great Dave

May 19th, 2005, 9:20 PM

Remember the SNES? Remember the N64? Things can change very, very easily. Sony have far too much arrogance, and I think it'll bite them in the ass if they release the PS3 near $500. And it's not like I'm exactly happy at the idea of Microsoft owning an industry I love, but at this point I think it's inevitable, in the US at least. Europe will always be Sony country I think, and Japan too, so long as it gets obscure RPGs released on it.

TapOut

May 19th, 2005, 9:24 PM

Well, you certainly have a point with SNES/N64.

I'm not sure if XBox will beat Sony in sales next time around, but I think that as far as features go, X360 is going to simply dominate. The online market, I really feel X36o will own too. If you haven't heard some of the rumors about what may take place with the 360, go read my last post in the X360 thread.

The Great Dave

May 19th, 2005, 9:28 PM

As a piece of hardware, it's unquestionable that XBox 360 is trying a lot harder than the PS3. PS3 is PS2 with better graphics. At least with XBox 360, it's actually improving on the XBox in more ways. Sure, they're ways that don't exactly appeal to me too much, but I appreciate the fact that Microsoft have a vision they choose to move towards. Sychrnoisation with portable media devices, offering to make the XBox 360 your multimedia center, these are new things to home consoles. The PS3 right now is a machine totally dependent on third parties making great games for it. The hardware itself offers nothing but improved graphics.

Pacman811

May 19th, 2005, 9:37 PM

I'll bitch over the price at first but when it comes down to it i will probably pay full price for the system.

It will be a situation where the games they start making for the PS3 won't be available for PS2 so i will have no choice.

TapOut

May 19th, 2005, 9:38 PM

It will be a situation where the games they start making for the PS3 won't be available for PS2 so i will have no choice.

Well, that's usually how they get ya' bud.....

Dan The Man

May 19th, 2005, 10:14 PM

While I would guess (and it really is a complete guess) that it enters closer to $400 than $500, I think the more important price hike will be with games, across all the next systems.

I forget whether it was the newest one or a few issues back, but one of the recent EGMs had the story which basically said that the recent "special editions" of games at $70 were received so well that they think they can get away with making all (or at least the biggest) next-gen games at that price point.

I can't imagine that the PS3 and 360 will be drastically different in price, but the difference between each and its predecessor, whether it be $100 or $150 or even $200, is at least a one-time cost. If games are $20 more expensive, factored in over a five-year lifespan, that'll get your wallet more than the system itself.

Bah.

TapOut

May 19th, 2005, 10:19 PM

F'n hell, never even thought about the game prices....

I remember how bad Nintendo hit my wallet with the N64... some games would check in at almost 70 bucks after tax. That was hellacious.

Psycho

May 19th, 2005, 11:15 PM

Dan The Man

May 19th, 2005, 11:18 PM

Well in real countries, we pay $50 for games. So do whatever math you need to do to figure out what that is in your Monopoly money.

Psycho

May 19th, 2005, 11:21 PM

Like 62...yeah. That's probably the average price, but some PS2 games already cost more than that when they're brand new. Here, anyways.

Dan The Man

May 19th, 2005, 11:26 PM

You're not getting it. If prices go up $20 in the US, they're going to go up by that proportion in Canada... so if they're starting at US$62, they'd be at US$82, which I'm guessing would be around CAN$100.

Into the Black

May 19th, 2005, 11:31 PM

I'm not happy with the jump in prices, but $70 dollars isn't THAT bad for a game. I remember paying that much for games on the SNES such as Chrono Trigger when they first came out...

I guess it would suck if you are the type of person to buy new games all the time, but I only get one game a month at the most, and an extra twenty isn't that bad if the games are that much better.

Pablo Diablo

May 19th, 2005, 11:40 PM

Damn the bluray disc and it's likelihood of being more expensive.

Psycho

May 19th, 2005, 11:41 PM

Vice

May 20th, 2005, 12:49 AM

I forget whether it was the newest one or a few issues back, but one of the recent EGMs had the story which basically said that the recent "special editions" of games at $70 were received so well that they think they can get away with making all (or at least the biggest) next-gen games at that price point.
Yeah, I have that issue.. I think it was one or two back. Anyway, the gist of it was that the franchise games (Halo, Mario, GTA, etc.) could, and probably would, be priced more than an average game and people would be more than willing to shell out the extra cash. The less-established games would probably remain at $50-60, unless there was a ton of promise in the game that it'd be amazing in which case it could jump to $65-70.

But yeah. Just adding on to what you said.

Nemesis

May 20th, 2005, 1:24 AM

People said the same thing at PS2's 299 dollar pricetag.

They did? Didn't the PSX originally have the same price? :confused:

I guess I was going to wait anyway, but now I know for sure that I'll wait a long, long while after launch to buy a PS3.

And I buy most of my games used, so hopefully the price of older, used PS3 games will be somewhat comparable to PS2 games of the same kind.

Lance Kokaine

May 20th, 2005, 2:23 AM

I want to know how it is backward compatible with the blue laser. Are they going to have two lasers on tracks. That seems like twice the chances of crappy Sony workmanship to feck up.

TapOut

May 20th, 2005, 6:48 AM

They did? Didn't the PSX originally have the same price? :confused:

I guess I was going to wait anyway, but now I know for sure that I'll wait a long, long while after launch to buy a PS3.

And I buy most of my games used, so hopefully the price of older, used PS3 games will be somewhat comparable to PS2 games of the same kind.

When the PS2 announced that it was going to cost three hundred dollars, a lot of people stated they wouldn't buy it until the price dropped. Many people were unhappy about the lack of good launch games as well.

I'm not sure what the PSX cost when it came out, but I think it was 199.00

The Great Dave

May 20th, 2005, 1:44 PM

Would you just shut the fuck up. Your act is already old.

Is my act praising Microsoft? I don't see how saying Microsoft's new console is more interesting than Sony's is my "act". My act is praising Nintendo, fool!

Chad

May 20th, 2005, 2:08 PM

RockyandTrishRule

May 20th, 2005, 2:10 PM

Bishop_Supreme

May 20th, 2005, 2:36 PM

Been a good debate going around the Xbox and Playstation forums, as to whether or not the Killzone footage was pre-rendered CGI or if it was actual real time. Impressive video, but do you guys think it was CG or real time?

I watch G4, and I've been watching their E3 coverage. They inteviewed the Sony representative (This is my second E3 and I'm not too familiar with the marketing people's names... except 'Reginator'... but I think he's with Nintendo) And he said that that Killzone video was all gameplay footage...

Stan Hibbert

May 20th, 2005, 2:54 PM

I'll believe it when we actually see it being played.

The Great Dave

May 20th, 2005, 4:20 PM

PS3 has Hardrive Slots(for more than One, so if you want to have two big ones you can, it has blue ray technology, Backwards compatibility with the PS2 and PS1, Plus I am betting online will be better to compete with Microsoft by the time it comes out, plus it will have better graphics than the next Xbox as well. So I know you have something big against sony, but the system is going to be much different than the ps2.

Blu-Ray is the only thing you listed that wasn't in the PS2. It may have improved itself in many areas, but XBox 360 clearly has the most new features, with stuff like XBox Live Marketplace, the Media Devices sychronisation and the general media center app it has in it. If the PS3 ends up having all that in I'll happily take it back, just seems to me that the XBox 360 has the most "new" content in it.

And just to clarifiy, this is "new content" I'm not interested in at all. I'm just looking at this objectivly, dammit! It's not like I give a shit about either the PS3 or XBox 360, for the most part.

Psycho

May 20th, 2005, 4:34 PM

Is my act praising Microsoft? I don't see how saying Microsoft's new console is more interesting than Sony's is my "act". My act is praising Nintendo, fool!

Your act is being an annoying litle nitpicking fanboy dickhead.

I mean seriously:

Sure, they're ways that don't exactly appeal to me too much, but I appreciate the fact that Microsoft have a vision they choose to move towards.

What the hell is that? Surely you can't be serious. You're just being a dick.

The Great Dave

May 20th, 2005, 4:46 PM

...but that's true? Microsoft are making this all in one multimedia center, and Sony are making a powerful PS2. And yeah, I'll admit Sony haven't revealed everything yet, so if they one-up Microsoft in this area, fair enough. But based on what I saw on the Microsoft conference, I can at least say I saw some stuff I hadn't seen before.

Psycho

May 20th, 2005, 5:07 PM

You really aren't getting the point. But that's okay.

No matter. As long as the PS3 has awesome games, I'm happy.

RockyandTrishRule

May 21st, 2005, 9:28 AM

Blu-Ray is the only thing you listed that wasn't in the PS2. It may have improved itself in many areas, but XBox 360 clearly has the most new features, with stuff like XBox Live Marketplace, the Media Devices sychronisation and the general media center app it has in it. If the PS3 ends up having all that in I'll happily take it back, just seems to me that the XBox 360 has the most "new" content in it.

And just to clarifiy, this is "new content" I'm not interested in at all. I'm just looking at this objectivly, dammit! It's not like I give a shit about either the PS3 or XBox 360, for the most part.

Really the ps2 had 2 slots for hardrives. I never knew that.

TapOut

May 21st, 2005, 6:03 PM

The PS3 hasn't really unveiled very many details at all other than a new software format, whereas the Revolution and especially the new Xbox have let us know quite a bit. Remember, the X360 is coming out in a mere few months, thus the reason why we know about all of this "new stuff". If it was coming out next year, we may very well be seeing all three machines the same.

I feel the PS3 isn't going to simply stand back at be nothing but an updated PS2 when clearly the Revolution and X360 are going all out. Trust me, Sony knows what they are in for. If they didn't, it would be a bigger mistake than Nintendo made in 95/96.

The Great Dave

May 21st, 2005, 7:17 PM

Really the ps2 had 2 slots for hardrives. I never knew that.

If that's the best comeback you have, then you go with that. Guess what? Very few people are going to use 2 hard drives with the PS3. Because number one, there's no real need, and number two, few people will spend that money. Barely anybody bought the PS2 hard drive.

You really aren't getting the point. But that's okay.

Super.

I feel the PS3 isn't going to simply stand back at be nothing but an updated PS2 when clearly the Revolution and X360 are going all out. Trust me, Sony knows what they are in for. If they didn't, it would be a bigger mistake than Nintendo made in 95/96.

You're probably right. Sony aren't going to sit back and just let Microsoft own them when it comes to features. But from what we know now, I can say I'm more impressed with Microsoft than Sony. Hell, I'm more impressed with Nintendo than Sony just because they've let me know I can download NES, SNES and N64 games. That's honestly a bigger selling point to me than the PS3's graphics.

TapOut

May 21st, 2005, 8:03 PM

You're probably right. Sony aren't going to sit back and just let Microsoft own them when it comes to features. But from what we know now, I can say I'm more impressed with Microsoft than Sony. Hell, I'm more impressed with Nintendo than Sony just because they've let me know I can download NES, SNES and N64 games. That's honestly a bigger selling point to me than the PS3's graphics.

Absolutely.
Right now, I'm most hyped about the X360, but that's only for two reasons: one, it's the system we know the most about and is due out in only a mere few months, and two, because of the rumor it can read/write to CD/DVD. The thought of not only being able to play games, but be able to pay for a movie, download it to DVD and own it just sounds amazing.

The Revolution had me psyched from the moment I saw it's awesome design. And are you telling me that I can, right from my little Revolution and my TV, get online and download the massive library of Nintendo's past games? Awesome. And this is only the very tip of the iceberg. We have yet to see what the graphics look like. In fact, look at the Gamecube: when a game appears on all three systems, the games usually look better on the Gamecube than the PS2, and on some occasions, they even outdo the XBox. So who knows how powerful the Revolution will be when it comes strictly to playing it's next-gen games.

But as for the PS3, even though the BluRay discs is the only thing we know about it thus far, the discs still sound amazing, although as DantheMan pointed out, I do fear about how costly the games will be. I'm wondering if the BluRay discs are not going to be the standard for all games, but merely an alternative or something that more costly games will feature, whereas normal games would be on a regular DVD/PS3 format, or basically, a bare disc of some sort. For instance, a Final Fantasy game may utilize the BluRay feature and cost a little more, but something like a regular sports game would just be on a plain disc and cost around 50 bucks... that's certainly what I'm hoping.

But these discs can store what, almost 100gigs of information? That ought to make for some VERY in-depth and awesome Wrestling games.

But after PS2 proved to be the least impressive with graphics of the current three consoles (Gamecube and XBox games always look better) and coming in second in online service (XBox Live service is pretty good), Sony is surely conjuring something up. I really think that the video game wars is now starting: each company knows it has to offer a certain amount of features, but they each have to offer something exclusive as well.

The Great Dave

May 22nd, 2005, 6:29 AM

The Blu-ray prices worry me too. It's awesome technology, but not something I want to spend more money on right now. Games are £40 here in the UK (at least on the high street) and I don't intent to spend more than that on any video game, without a major reason why I should.

Graphics don't matter at all at this point. Sony and Microsoft always hype up the power of their machines. End of the day, there's no much differene between the PS2's best, the Gamecube's best and the XBox's best. And it'll be the same next gen, if it isn't I'll be very surprised. As far as I'm concerned, the best looking Dreamcast games still hold their own today. Next gen should be about size, not graphics.

Stan Hibbert

May 22nd, 2005, 7:50 AM

Can someone explain to me just what the hell Blu-ray is? I see it thrown around all the time but never bothered to find out just what it does.

The Masked Jobber

May 22nd, 2005, 7:54 AM

All of the next gen consoles look like peices of shit from Babylon 5 or something.

I refuse to buy any of them (except the Nintendo one.. and I'll probably get the PS3 too, but not the XBOX... Unless.... Yeah I'll probably get the XBOX 360 too)

But other than those 3 I refuse to buy any other console.

The Great Dave

May 22nd, 2005, 9:06 AM

Can someone explain to me just what the hell Blu-ray is? I see it thrown around all the time but never bothered to find out just what it does.

Basically a kind of next-gen DVD. Higher capacity is it's main draw. I think a standard one is around 30gb compared to 4.7 on a DVD. If it's dual layered it can increase, and I think you can add quite a few layers.

Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher

May 22nd, 2005, 9:16 AM

I think that the ps3 will turn out to be the best out of the three systems. We don't know a whole lot about it, and that's a good thing. Maybe they're trying to keep some things a secret. I'm not that impressed with the X-box360 but then again, I hate the X-box's game selection. Yes, even Halo. Nintendo is going down hill, and i don't expect anything but kiddy games, old nintendo game downloads, and the ability to connect to their handhelds. Who knows? I'm probably wrong...

The Great Dave

May 22nd, 2005, 11:05 AM

If you think games that don't look realistic are kiddy, you're probably right; there will be a lot of them on Nintendo's console.

If you mean games that only kids can play, than you're obviously wrong. Unless you're one of those people who wouldn't play Wind Waker because the graphics weren't hardcore enough.

TapOut

May 22nd, 2005, 5:18 PM

Basically a kind of next-gen DVD. Higher capacity is it's main draw. I think a standard one is around 30gb compared to 4.7 on a DVD. If it's dual layered it can increase, and I think you can add quite a few layers.

TDK have invented a standard bluray disc that can hold around 100gigs, although it isn't confirmed if PS3 will use this type with their system. All that has been said is that they will. Still, 30 gigs is quite impressive, but I'm sure they are still shopping around.

On a side note, the bluray discs are also enclosed in a cartridge, much like the PSP's UMDs.

The Great Dave

May 22nd, 2005, 6:12 PM

Didn't know that last bit. That's good to know, presumably it'll stop any major damage occuring to the discs.

Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher

May 22nd, 2005, 6:15 PM

TapOut

May 22nd, 2005, 8:13 PM

Actually, after further reading some information, it may be that the bluray discs are NOT going to be encased.

The main thing about BluRay is that it uses a blue/violet laser to read off the disc as opposed to a red one, like the ones used to read DVDs and CDroms. The blue laser is smaller and allows for better precision placing, meaining you can cram information tighter together on the disc than can be done on a DVD or CD. That's the thing: you can actually fit more stuff onto DVD's and CD's, but if you put too much on the disc, your laser is not precise enough to read it. The BluRay changes all that.

The reason for it being encased in a cartridge is because the information being packed so "tightly" on the BluRay discs mean that a scratch that would otherwise be nothing on a CD might actually render some information on a BluRay disc unreadable. However, it appears as though they have fixed this problem by using different coatings and other stuff to help improve the durability of the disc. So with the PS3, they may or may not be in a cartridge.

Right now, it is rumored that BluRay discs are only slightly more expensive to produce than a DVD, and the spike in price is rumored to only be about 10 percent, but that is mere speculation. Right now, I think that the cost of PS3 games will either remain at 50 dollars, but should not be more expensive than 60 dollars. Video Games are already slightly overpriced anyways, so I think they can handle staying at 50 dollars. Only time will tell though.

Pablo Diablo

May 22nd, 2005, 8:30 PM

Doesthis mean that the BlueRay's laser, because of the fact that it's smaller, might have problems reading regular discs, or no?

RV3

May 22nd, 2005, 8:32 PM

TapOut

May 22nd, 2005, 8:32 PM

Doesthis mean that the BlueRay's laser, because of the fact that it's smaller, might have problems reading regular discs, or no?

Based on the information I have read, it appears as though the bluray laser is fully backwards compatible with CD's, DVD's, etc. and has no problems reading the discs.

Jimini

May 23rd, 2005, 6:31 AM

Into the Black

May 23rd, 2005, 11:08 AM

Also when you think about it, todays games involve more and more programmers than ever before. In order to pay all the people who make them, they really have no choice but to up the price.

Melv

May 23rd, 2005, 12:07 PM

Video games overpriced?
I wouldn't say so.

Mega Drive games were £40 new way back when and games now come out at £30 or £35 depending on where you shop.

If games cost up to £50 I wouldn't be especially disappointed, being that we will get more for our money from the disks.
It's true. I don't buy very many games because of the cost of them nowadays, but the ones I DO buy are definately value for money.

The_Mike

May 23rd, 2005, 1:55 PM

It's true. I don't buy very many games because of the cost of them nowadays, but the ones I DO buy are definately value for money.

I feel the same, and also rental is more popular today so you can get everything you can out of a shorter game within a few days for about 3 or 4 quid, instead of paying 30-40. And a lot of shops are discounting games when they're new to try to intice people in, since games are such a big thing, meaning you can get even the best games for about £30 if you shop around, sometimes even less if you order online.

On the other hand, the market is becoming so saturated with just drivel and popular-engine-with-badly-scanned-girl-band-faces-or-whatever-shoved-on-them kind of cookie-cutter games that come out now, making it easy to waste a lot of money on bad choices. But that's only if you're dumb/easily suckered. :)

Excel

May 23rd, 2005, 4:44 PM

As far as pricing on media goes, I dont think Single layer blue ray disk will be more expensive than a regular DVD, at least not by more than 10% or so.

The real cost in media comes from Layering. Dual Layer DVDs (regular, not blue ray) are still nearly $10 a disk. This stems from the fact that they are very very difficult to produce, with a tremendous number coming off the line DoA and unusable.

From what I understand, the problem isnt near being fixed and the price isnt expected to come down anytime this soon (read: before this time next year).

So if they are having trouble doing dual layer DVDs, I dont see a multi-layer BluRay disk being used anytime soon, but thats not saying much since I imagine a 30gb disk will be big enough for any game for a while

With this it sounds like you are talking about recordable double layer disks, that come off the line unusable. Double layer DVD's have been around since DVD became popular, most DVD movies are double layer, and are much easier to produce.

PS3 double layer discs would also be stamped out like DVD movies currently are, and so wouldnt be that much more expensive than single layer ones.

Chad

May 23rd, 2005, 10:53 PM

Isn't Sony taking a risk with the Blue ray discs? Since the debate is between the blue ray discs and the hd discs? for the standard.

Dan The Man

May 23rd, 2005, 11:06 PM

Well besides the fact that some say the debate has already ended (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/bluray-has-already-won-023974.php) (in Blu-ray's favor), Blu-ray is a Sony development, so they'd go with it no matter what.

And while the above article is showing its age (written back in October), it does point out that even back then companies were eyeing cost-per-disc numbers equal to DVDs.

Pablo Diablo

May 23rd, 2005, 11:30 PM

I dont' know Dan. I've just been doing some short research. They seem to be at a draw.

HD-DVD has Time Warner (Warner Bros. and New Line), Universal, and Paramount.

Blue-Ray has Sony-owned Columbia Tri-Star, and Sony just bought MGM, Sony obviously and Disney.

I'd actually say that HD-DVD might have a slight edge as far as studio support goes. And that's the important thing. We'll see what happens.

*edit* http://www.dvdtown.com/hddvd/ there's where I did most of my research.

Into the Black

May 23rd, 2005, 11:39 PM

Pablo Diablo

May 23rd, 2005, 11:41 PM

I can't say that I know anything about either of the two, but with all the research going into this, I'm sure they will pick the one which works best for gaming.

Is there news on if they will have four controller jacks or not? Thats is one thing they need...

They'll have 7 wireless control points yes.

And on the first part. The problem isn't if it's good for gaming. The problem is that people would want to watch movies on their gaming system. If blu-ray isn't the standard. Then they won't buy a PS3. Then again...did any of the other systems mention if they were doing HD-DVD support?

Melv

May 23rd, 2005, 11:44 PM

I have a question. If they're going to have 7 controllers, all wireless - how does it distinguish which controller is #1, which is #2, etc? It surely can't be built into the controller, because if one breaks then you couldn't replace it.

Pablo Diablo

May 23rd, 2005, 11:46 PM

That is the magical question. Maybe you turn the controller on and the PS3 picks it up? Then automatically assigns it to controller 1, controller 2, controller 3 depending on what order they were turned on. I have no idea.

Melv

May 23rd, 2005, 11:48 PM

The only thing I can think of is a switch on the back that you set to a number (1-7).

Pablo Diablo

May 23rd, 2005, 11:50 PM

That'd feel very awkward, but it also makes sense. We'll just have to wait and see.

Into the Black

May 24th, 2005, 12:04 AM

TapOut

May 24th, 2005, 12:18 AM

Seven seems incredibly awkward and stupid to me. Why not 6 or 8? Seven?

Into the Black

May 24th, 2005, 12:29 AM

It seems every time I get a group of friends together to play a game, I always have seven people. This system is perfect...

Actually I never played a video game with more than four people anyways so :dunno:

The Great Dave

May 24th, 2005, 5:12 AM

Seven would be a great number. I really hope they are able to make a massive Perfect Dark game for the PS3 that has one of the most complex multiplayer games ever. I heard that P.D. is going to the X-Box... but most cames cross over...

It probably won't cross over. Rare are Microsoft exclusive, and it's unlikley Microsoft would give them permission to release PD on PS3.

Into the Black

May 24th, 2005, 9:50 AM

Well that would get me mad. :irked:

I don't care if the title is Perfect Dark, I just want a good multiplayer game like that, which has the option of you and some others going against the sims.

Chad

May 24th, 2005, 2:30 PM

Well Killzone looked damn good, so I am sure that would offer something like that.

Ozanne

May 24th, 2005, 6:11 PM

I actually liked the desin of the console, it looks sexy and stylish to me. I thought it was gonna be much bigger than that for some reason. The controller however just looks awful I hope they change it to a slightly modified dual shock one, because that controller is greatness!

The Great Dave

May 24th, 2005, 7:19 PM

I just hope Sony drop the D-Pad and put a stick in it's position. It's my number one issue with Dual Shock. I just hate the positioning of the sticks.

RockyandTrishRule

May 24th, 2005, 10:40 PM

The D-pad and analog stick positions is perfect for the Ps2 controller and I hope to god they don't get rid of the D-pad and replace it with a analog stick. Those two things and the 4 shoulder buttons are whats make the ps2 controller the best. They can change anything else except those things.(well as long as they keep the four X,O, Square and triangle buttons a decent shape unlike moonshape buttons and keep them all the same size.

Melv

May 24th, 2005, 10:43 PM

Just sort out the D-Pad on the Dual shock and make it wireless.

Stan Hibbert

May 25th, 2005, 6:16 AM

The left analog stick should be where the D-pad sits, just like the GC controller. Far more comfortable that way.

RockyandTrishRule

May 25th, 2005, 11:00 AM

I disagree. I think its really comfortable the way it is, but maybe I used to is fronm the ps1 to the ps2.

Stan Hibbert

May 25th, 2005, 11:07 AM

:wtf:

You have to stretch slightly to reach the analog on the PS2 pad. On the GCN it's just... there - in the right place. The D-pad is less accessible with the setup, but we're long into a 3D era now, and it's about time people used the stick more and realised how much it owns the D-pad (wherever 3D games are concerned, anyway).

Vice

May 25th, 2005, 11:22 AM

I think it'd be neat if the D-pad and analog stick both had a base which could detach from the controller, so you could swap their positions depending on which game you're playing.

95% of the time the analog stick is where it's at, but sometimes the D-pad gets the job done better. If the Playstation keeps the D-pad where it is, I'd much prefer that it at least be more like a Gamecube/SNES D-pad with the full cross, rather than the shitty 4 individual blocks like it has now. It looks neat, but I think it loses a lot of precision when it doesn't need to.

I saw this gamepad for sale in a magazine where all the buttons and shit could be re-arranged, so if you wanted the D-pad on the right and the buttons on the left, you could just swap'em around. Sounded kinda neat..

Bishop_Supreme

May 25th, 2005, 12:06 PM

I have no problems with the PS2 controllers.... sometimes in videogames that allow me to use both the D-Pad and the left analog stick for direction... sometimes, I find myself switching between the two without even noticing.

I would play some against my friends and I have absolutely no problem using the D-Pad or the Analog stick, but in the Xbox controller (wich also has the analog stick up in the top corner) I find it slightly annoying where the analog stick is at. (but it may also be because the Xbox controller, even the new one, is bigger than the PS2 controller.)

I don't have a gamecube, Ive only touched their controller once to test out Luigi's Mansion at a videogame store (I was disapointed in the fact they just stuck my favorite Nintendo character in a whole game based off of just one level in the average Mario Bros game... and mixed it with Ghostbusters. If Luigi's Mansion was good, I would have bought the gamaecube.... it was a deal breaker for me.... but that's another story.) But since I havent played the Gamecube for more than 10 minutes, then I won't comment on how that controller feels...... but judging by the way it looks, it doesn't seem like it's that comfortable either... to me.

Dan The Man

May 25th, 2005, 12:24 PM

For those looking for "new" things the PS3 can do...

Users will be able to store their content in an online storage server called the ‘Cell Storage.’ And the Cell processor, when it’s not being used, can refine the content’s quality. We call it the ‘aging’ process. For example, users can ‘age’ their Standard Definition (SD) video and up-convert it to High Definition (HD) video. We have many plans [for the PS3], but this ‘Cell Storage’ service is something that we definitely intend to launch. By using the Cell’s security feature, users will be able to rip DVDs that include copyright protection and lay it in the storage area to refine its video quality.

Interesting, if not a very "I'll get excited when I see some before/after" announcement...

Funky

May 25th, 2005, 3:35 PM

I'm sure this has been asked and answered previously so forgive me, but how much is it meant to be retailing at on the opening in UK? How much are agmes and things etc?

Dan The Man

May 25th, 2005, 3:43 PM

Check back in a year or so... if anyone tells you differently they're just guessing.

Psycho

May 25th, 2005, 3:49 PM

If they just took the PS2 controllers..and got rid of that stupid ass vibration crap, I would be satisfied.

The_Mike

May 25th, 2005, 4:48 PM

Good info, Dan the Man, thanks for that.

Getting the processor to do useful stuff even when not in use sounds cool, but I'm not sure I like the idea of my content being stored in a central database thing. Obviously there are security and privacy issues, though I doubt I'll really care if everyone in the world can see my DVDs of Garden State and Star Wars... but if you're constantly shifting content to and from the Cell Server, won't that kill your own internet bandwidth?

TapOut

May 25th, 2005, 5:57 PM

If they just took the PS2 controllers..and got rid of that stupid ass vibration crap, I would be satisfied.

You can always turn the rumble feature off.......

Psycho

May 25th, 2005, 6:11 PM

It's sort of a pain in the ass because every game has it on by default. I loathe it.

RockyandTrishRule

May 25th, 2005, 6:18 PM

why don't you like it? I thinks its cool when rocks fall from a wall or a big bad guy is coming that it does that.

Psycho

May 25th, 2005, 6:23 PM

Because it's fucking annoying. I can't stand the feel of the controler vibrating everytime something happens. It's especially annyoing when the game doesn't remember that I want it off and I have to turn it off every time I play the game.

At least with Nintendo, they sold the parts seperately so if you actually liked it you could go get it.

S.H. Styles

May 25th, 2005, 9:07 PM

If they just took the PS2 controllers..and got rid of that stupid ass vibration crap, I would be satisfied.

:wtf:

Psycho

May 26th, 2005, 1:58 AM

Am I seriously the only one on this board that fucking hates that shit? Weird. I kinda thought it was the sort of thing that was universally hated.

Meh, back to PS3 news.

Into the Black

May 26th, 2005, 3:01 AM

I like it in some games and dislike it in others. I really like it when its used as a heartbeat in a survival horror game because it adds to the feel, but I don't like action games where it just goes crazy.

Stan Hibbert

May 26th, 2005, 4:34 AM

Most of the time I don't even realise its there, and to be honest it rarely adds anything to the experience. Having my controller rumble every time I get hit isn't making things any more realistic.

It is annoying when it does it through cut-scenes, though. I think a few sequences in Kingdom Hearts involve the pad vibrating non-stop throughout an entire scene.

mattm

May 26th, 2005, 5:09 AM

Dont think this has been asked, can you play PS2 games or even PS1 games on it

SomeDude

May 26th, 2005, 9:26 AM

Probably. Sony is saying that the PS3 will be backwards compatible.

Stan Hibbert

May 26th, 2005, 9:41 AM

Without a doubt. Unless Sony are out of their tiny minds it should be able to play both PSOne and PS2 games.

Dan The Man

May 27th, 2005, 5:47 PM

according to an article on IGN - the PS3 will cost about $465!

Example #4,838 of IGN Is Really Not That Great... pertinent info bolded...

In an interview with financial website TheStreet.com, Microsoft corporate vice president J Allard has been quoted as saying that the Xbox 360 will launch at a price roughly equivalent to the $299 launch price of the original Xbox, saying that the price would “be in the neighborhood” of $300.

Previous speculation had ranged from $249 to $399, making Allard’s comments fairly uncontroversial. Allard refused to be drawn on an exact price though, stating that a final decision was still around two months away. The Xbox 360 is expected to launch in November in the U.S., with launches in Europe and Japan also promised before the end of the year.

Speculation within the Japanese business papers has suggested that the PlayStation 3 will also launch at or near the launch price of the PlayStation 2, i.e. ¥39,800 ($369) in Japan. If true, this would presumably mean that Sony intends to mirror the launch prices in other territories – as Microsoft likely intends with the Xbox 360.

The pricing of the Nintendo Revolution, like most other aspects of the console, remains a mystery – although Nintendo has hinted more than once that it will retail for significantly less than either of its two rivals.

Bandit

May 27th, 2005, 6:29 PM

why don't you like it? I thinks its cool when rocks fall from a wall or a big bad guy is coming that it does that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

u r a fag

Dan The Man

November 7th, 2005, 11:58 AM

Can you believe it's been like five months since there was anything worth posting here?

Anyway, I'm a bit wary of taking the exact details here, as I think we've found that the higher up the ladder you go, the worse understanding these guys have, and it doesn't get much higher than the CEO. But anyway, Ars Technica breaks down an interview with Sony's CEO and pulls out the important PS3 info. And some of it is pretty important stuff: launching in Japan in March, holidays in the US $300-$400 possible reference to built-in harddrive

Check it out for your bad selves (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051105-5530.html).

Jimini

November 7th, 2005, 12:05 PM

Rumoured it'll cost £380 here at launch :cry:

Ozanne

November 7th, 2005, 3:28 PM

That's not a bad price actually.

The Great Dave

November 7th, 2005, 6:56 PM

...you shitting me? £400 is reasonable for something that plays games and movies? So on the first day, if I were to buy a PS3, I'd have to put down at least £450 to get a game and a console. Sony better reconsider that shit, cos we really don't want Microsoft owning the whole show.

Seth

November 7th, 2005, 7:19 PM

Thankfully its only a rumour. A horrible rumour nonetheles :(

Dynomite

November 7th, 2005, 7:25 PM

Here in Australia, the games will top $100. The console will be over $700. And it will be a long time before we see it. :(

Dan The Man

November 7th, 2005, 7:54 PM

TapOut

November 7th, 2005, 7:57 PM

The_Mike

November 7th, 2005, 7:58 PM

They do it to annoy you, Dan. :)

Anyway, 'translated' prices are never any good. The Genesis in the US cost $99, so naturally this became £120 over here, as I recall. Generally, we get the same or close enough to the same figure value as the US price, but of course that's twice the money to us.

The Great Dave

November 7th, 2005, 8:01 PM

The guy said that the PS3 "could" cost either $300 or $400. Maybe they've realised having Ken Kutaragi going around screaming "It's for the rich! You won't be able to afford it!" isn't a good idea. I wouldn't take the words as fact, but I think it's fair to say the chances of it launching for less than the 360 is very unlikely. But who knows. Maybe they'll just take a good loss on it, just to get Blu-ray going.

Dellaspro

November 7th, 2005, 8:02 PM

I'm trying to figure out what the deal is, here. With the GC, XBox and PS2, the hype was WELL on a year before the systems releases. Here, it's like.... nothing. Even the Xbox360 hype was minimal.

This is thus far a shit pre-launch for all three systems as far as I'm concerned. Then again, I guess it could very well be another year before the other two are released, so there's still time I guess.
Because the kids who were excited about the PS2/XBox/GC grew up, and realized their parents weren't going to buy them a 400 dollar console this time around (with the addition of games/add-ons), and that they have more important things to save their money on

Or maybe thats just me :|

But honestly, even if it might be fake or not, any console that ranges in the area of 400 dollars is ridiculous. I don't care if this thing did my laundry, especially if I have to unload 50 dollars per game, or a zillion dollars on modding or accessories

The Great Dave

November 7th, 2005, 8:11 PM

But honestly, even if it might be fake or not, any console that ranges in the area of 400 dollars is ridiculous. I don't care if this thing did my laundry, especially if I have to unload 50 dollars per game, or a zillion dollars on modding or accessories

Say hello to your new best friend.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/shigeru-miyamoto/miyamoto-candyt.jpg

TapOut

November 7th, 2005, 8:23 PM

Because the kids who were excited about the PS2/XBox/GC grew up, and realized their parents weren't going to buy them a 400 dollar console this time around (with the addition of games/add-ons), and that they have more important things to save their money on

Or maybe thats just me :|

But honestly, even if it might be fake or not, any console that ranges in the area of 400 dollars is ridiculous. I don't care if this thing did my laundry, especially if I have to unload 50 dollars per game, or a zillion dollars on modding or accessories

That makes no sense. What about the past consoles? If that arguement applied to every generation then... there'd never be any hype.

The Great Dave

November 7th, 2005, 8:24 PM

Console prices have got a lot more expensive though. It probably has some effect. It may just be that many people are still enjoying their current consoles that there's not a huge amount of hype for a new one.

Jimini

November 8th, 2005, 7:38 AM

What the fuck is with you people?

I post an actual article, from an actual interview, in which the actual CEO of Sony puts out a high-end price of what translates to £227...

...and you're discussing some jerkoff's unfounded, unanything, seemingly out-of-thin-air price?

Are you guys actually unable to use sense, or are you just doing it to be stupid?

21 August 2005 - Sony’s next generation console, the PlayStation 3, will be available from the 15 March 2006 and priced at €399.99 according to Amazon.fr, the French arm of the online retailer Amazon.com.

So in the UK, we are looking at £300 online, and maybe £350 offline, if that 'possible' price is anything like correct.
And usually, if anything, the price increases.

Prices in the UK are always higher than in the US.

Something at $299 will be about £200, meaning it's kicking about the £300 mark, at least.

So, 'fuck up.

Alcohol

November 8th, 2005, 9:58 AM

Wasn't that Amazon.fr price confirmed, quite a few months ago, as being a 'placeholder' price, since at that time, no actual pricing had been announced or even hinted at? There's no actual, possible way for them to have got the pricing of it before Sony have even decided it.

Either way, I'd problem tend to go with the Sony Executive on possible prices, than a retailer.

Jimini

November 8th, 2005, 10:33 AM

Either way, the subsequent points stand.
The US WILL get the console for cheaper than we will.

It's just a matter of how much cheaper.

Jenova

November 10th, 2005, 9:43 AM

Either way, the subsequent points stand.
The US WILL get the console for cheaper than we will.

It's just a matter of how much cheaper.

I hardly doubt if we will actually get it for cheaper, look what happened with PS2. Though the exec's could possibly throw a curve ball this time around, I don't see it happening.

The Great Dave

November 10th, 2005, 12:16 PM

The US got the PS2 cheeper than anybody. $300 in the US, £300 in the UK. There's no exchange rate that justifys the bullshit Europeans go through with console launches, from all three companies.

Reech

November 10th, 2005, 12:57 PM

I agree, we'll be screwed yet again.

The Great Dave

November 10th, 2005, 6:08 PM

Not if we import :drevil:

Problem is, it may be hard to and still get stuff like online acounts. I dunno how it works on XBox, but I'd imagine it's difficult. And I need my SNES downloads...

Marlon Dingle

January 5th, 2006, 10:18 AM

Ok, just bought nuts magazine and in their they say that the PS3 will cost around £220 but it costs Sony £290 to make them so its estimated that they will lose over half a billion squid in the first year of its release. It also mentioned a possible May 16th release. Plus as a little extra you will be able to use your PSP as a controller using the wireless function. Dont see how this will work though as there is no "R2 and L2" buttons or a right analogue??
Anywayz check out this weeks Nuts for more info.