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QuietStorm
June 28th, 2004, 10:23 PM
Canibus isn't that poetical though. Just highly intelligent.

Aesop Rock is more of a poet, if you are looking for an example.

Seanny One Ball
June 29th, 2004, 7:58 AM
There are different types of poetry, Aesop Rock is no more a poet than Canibus is.

He isn't that much smarter than too many other rapper either, it's his vocabulary and the way he writes his rhymes that I look at. He's the man :yes:

Big L is also the man, "Ebonics" is definately my favourite track right now.

QuietStorm
June 29th, 2004, 1:03 PM
Meh, he isn't THAT poetical. The most poetical he has ever been has probably been on something like Liberal Arts or Get Off Ya Knees. And yes, he is very intelligent. Far more so than most rappers. If you read the Jeymes Samuel interview and the story that he shared about Germaine telling him all about Minkovski's formulas at 2 in the morning and then putting it in his WWTS verse the next day, you know he is more intelligent than your average rapper.

But overly poetical? Not really. :\
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Anyways, kind of switching subjects (and kind of not, since thinking of Canibus reminded me of him)...

What "legend" in hip hop can't you stand or have always thought was very overrated. In my view, it is Kool G Rap. He is just horrid. His rhyme schemes are beyond basic and if anyone just writes down a bunch of words that rhyme and then puts a few matching words before them it is him. And that is where Vinnie Paz got that strategy from. Awful.

Raw Is Jonathan
June 29th, 2004, 2:48 PM
Bollocks.

Knew I'd forgotten something.

Anyone else looked for the c.d of the m.c killah, looks like the work of a masta?

Seanny One Ball
June 29th, 2004, 2:51 PM
What "legend" in hip hop can't you stand or have always thought was very overrated.


LL Cool J, I don't care how good everyone else thinks/thought he was but even back in the "Mama Said Knock You Out" days he wasn't a great rapper, and to be honest he's never done anything but blunt his edge since he started making tv appearances.

Big Pun, Never got into his style. Maybe it's the carnival tunes I dislike, maybe it's that I haven't heard any of his better music. But right now I feel like he's overrated.

Easy E, I just never liked his voice or the way he flowed. His voice is too piercing for a male vocalist and I'm not a fan of his solo stuff, partly because I've avoided pretty uch everything he ever sang on outside N.W.A :no:

The Beastie Boys, I got really bored of fighting for my right to party...
I dig the boiler suits and big yellow boots in amongst foam skyscrapers though, that was a good video and the tune was cool.

QuietStorm
June 30th, 2004, 4:12 PM
Well, I just got word from someone in the Canibus circle that Bis is trying really hard to get his solo album out this year. He also wants to get the album with Chino XL and Thurstin Howl completed, so look for those two projects to be the first things released.

Also, the Jeymes Samuel album is coming out in September with WWTS on it. The Urbs (Jeymes/Canibus collab album) should be coming out shortly after that, but I am not sure if it will make it by the end of the year or not.

Hack
June 30th, 2004, 5:59 PM
LL Cool J, I don't care how good everyone else thinks/thought he was but even back in the "Mama Said Knock You Out" days he wasn't a great rapper, and to be honest he's never done anything but blunt his edge since he started making tv appearances.



What about his Radio days?

Seanny One Ball
July 1st, 2004, 7:57 AM
What about his Radio days?


Before my time.

Simon
July 1st, 2004, 8:23 AM
Meh, he isn't THAT poetical. The most poetical he has ever been has probably been on something like Liberal Arts or Get Off Ya Knees. And yes, he is very intelligent. Far more so than most rappers. If you read the Jeymes Samuel interview and the story that he shared about Germaine telling him all about Minkovski's formulas at 2 in the morning and then putting it in his WWTS verse the next day, you know he is more intelligent than your average rapper.

But overly poetical? Not really. :\
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Anyways, kind of switching subjects (and kind of not, since thinking of Canibus reminded me of him)...

What "legend" in hip hop can't you stand or have always thought was very overrated. In my view, it is Kool G Rap. He is just horrid. His rhyme schemes are beyond basic and if anyone just writes down a bunch of words that rhyme and then puts a few matching words before them it is him. And that is where Vinnie Paz got that strategy from. Awful.I'd agree, Canibus isn't poetic, he's just clever...he has intelligent rhymes, but there's nothing hugely creative about the stories he tells. Not to downplay his ability, he isn't a storyteller rapper. 2pac wasn't half as intelligent or as good with language as Canibus, but he had a way with words and ideas that he could turn into a poetic story, it's that ability that has him down as one of the best ever in many people's eyes - his lyricism and delivery were never anything special, but he could tell a damn story and get his point across in a poetic way.

Legends I hate?

Well I wouldn't say I hate them, but Dre and Snoop were never anything special in my eyes, but everyone used to crap themselves over their latest releases. I've never fully understood the big deal about Redman - I rate him, but he's not on the level of the true greats. Same with Jadakiss, and Method Man as well...I don't hate any of these, but I think they're overrated to varying degrees.

Sean, MSKYO and Radio are great albums, real hip-hop and justifiably made LL Cool J into a huge star...it's his releases since the mid-90s that have taken him down in my estimation.

QuietStorm
July 1st, 2004, 6:06 PM
You may not believe this, but I had never given Cage's Movies For the Blind a full listen until just recently. Oh man. I love it.

Hack
July 1st, 2004, 6:43 PM
Radio is an awesome, awesome album. Yes, it gets two awesomes.

jesus sucks
July 1st, 2004, 10:17 PM
dre and snoop are legends..... but i agree with u simon on redman.

Seanny One Ball
July 2nd, 2004, 7:10 AM
Not to downplay his ability, he isn't a storyteller rapper.

He can tell a story, listen to No Return.

I think you're wrong when you say he's twice as as smart as Pac, you can't judge intelligence through hip hop vocabulary.

Simon
July 2nd, 2004, 1:49 PM
He can tell a story, listen to No Return.

I think you're wrong when you say he's twice as as smart as Pac, you can't judge intelligence through hip hop vocabulary.One story doesn't make him a storyteller...Eminem tells stories in some songs (My Fault, Bad Guys Always Die, '97 Bonnie And Clyde), but that's not what he's known for, same as Canibus isn't known for them. Canibus always has been and always will be a battle rapper - it's what got him known, and (IMO) all he'll ever be good for.

QuietStorm
July 2nd, 2004, 3:30 PM
Ok, once again...Canibus is great at creating a CONCEPT for a track (I Honor You, AIDS Is Gold/HIV Is Platinum, No Return, etc.) but he is still isn't that great of a storyteller.

But Simon, he is so much more than a battle MC. Sometimes you just have to listen deeper.

Cubed-Sphere
July 2nd, 2004, 6:04 PM
NEW TUPAC ALBUM INFO!!

Afeni Shakur (his mom) just recently gave an interview in which she stated that the new album is due out in November, and that some of the guest producers on the album will be Dr. Dre, Kanye West and Eminem.

Also, Deathrow is putting out a "LIVE" 2pac album, with some unreleased tracks expected to be on the tracklist as well, but the majority of the cd will be known songs being performed live with alternate beats and unheard verses.

Sounds great to me!

Simon
July 2nd, 2004, 6:26 PM
I've heard almost nothing of 2pac live, other than THAT live M.S.G. freestyle with Biggie (possibly my single favourite track from either artist, there's something about hearing them spit live that just makes it even better), and a terrible rendition of Dear Mama where he fucks up and delivers the wrong line at the start, rapping the start of the 3rd verse instead of the 2nd.

Matthew
July 4th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Alright, as you can tell, I am not a big fan of the "hip hop"

I may have a 50 pic in my avatar and shit, but that was for that whole game thing and I am lazy.

Buuuutttttt.... I like Kanye's new single and was wonderin if the College Dropout album is good, or is there only a few stand out tracks, if so, then what?

Hack
July 4th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Its really, really good. When I picked it up, I was surprised how good it was. Not counting the skits, there is only one bad song on the entire album, the work-out tape one.

Matthew
July 4th, 2004, 12:28 AM
And I respect your opinion, so I am out to download it.

I need you in the new taste thread, I am going to list my favs.

QuietStorm
July 4th, 2004, 3:36 AM
Oops.

Simon
July 4th, 2004, 1:27 PM
Its really, really good. When I picked it up, I was surprised how good it was. Not counting the skits, there is only one bad song on the entire album, the work-out tape one.You didn't like The New Workout Plan? :eek: I fucking love that track, so original and fresh-sounding.

The album is great, yeah...a couple of weak tracks IMO, but mostly it's great. We all knew that the production would be great, but he surprised me with how well he held down the lyrics. Not completely astounding by any means, but he proved himself to be a capable MC, and managed to put out a whole album that doesn't get boring or samey.

Seanny One Ball
July 4th, 2004, 1:52 PM
Yeah, the workout song is quality but I totally prefer Get 'em high.

Solid album :yes:

Hack
July 5th, 2004, 2:49 AM
I just feel that West is somehow "better" than that track. I don't know, it disappoints me each time I hear it.

Simon
July 5th, 2004, 1:34 PM
I think it's fantastic for what it is...it's not deep and meaningful like Never Let You Down or Family Business, but it's funkier than a fat guy's armpits, love it :D

Seanny One Ball
July 5th, 2004, 3:54 PM
Family Business may well be the best song on the album.

LOCONUT
July 5th, 2004, 8:12 PM
Slum Village - Detroit Deli

Fucking Sick.

There is a track with MC Breed that is just SOLID.

I got the promo release with 2 extra songs, both of which complete the album. If you can find this release used, get it. The intro song, and the extrra track are awesome.

QuietStorm
July 6th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Courtesy of Tecknique off ImmortalTechnique.com.....


Point of No Return
[Talking]
Yeah... It's that real this time around
Immortal Technique... Revolutionary Vol. 2
It's on now mother fucker..
Lock and load!


QUOTE [Verse 1]
This is the point of no return I could never go back
Life without parole up state shackled and trapped
Living in the hole, lookin' at the world through a crack
But fuck that, I'd rather shoot it out and get clapped
I've gone too far, there ain't no coming back for me
Auschwitz gas chamber full of Zyklon-B

Everyone should know Auchwitz, Zyklon-B was just a gas they used to kill the Jews...


QUOTE Just like the spanish exterminating Tainos
Raping the black and Indian women, creating Latinos
This is just a little about the Tainos if anyone didn't already know who they were..
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/013.html (http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/013.html)
Here's some more...
http://intelligentdiplomat.free.fr/articles/article16.html (http://intelligentdiplomat.free.fr/articles/article16.html)


QUOTE Mother fuckers made me out of self richeous hatered
And you got yourself a virus, stuck in the Matrix
A suicide bomber strapped and ready to blow
Lethal injection strapped down ready to go
Don't you understand they'll never let me live out in peace
Concreate jungle, guerilla war out in the streets

Obviously the Matrix line is a reference to the movie...


QUOTE Nat Turner with the sickle pitch fork and machete
The end of the world, mother fucker you not ready
This is the point of no return and nobody can stop it
Malcolm Little running up before Elijah Muhammad

Anyone who doesn't know Nat Turner...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part3/3p1518.html (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part3/3p1518.html)

Everyone should know Malcolm Little was Malcolm X...LoL
I'm not too sure exactly what he is trying to get across in those lines..


QUOTE The commet killed the dinosaurs, changing the earth
They love to criticize they always say I change for the worse
Like prescription pills when you misusing them nigga
The Templar Knights when they took Jerusalem nigga
And figured out what was buried under Solomon's Temple
Al Aqsa the name is no coincidental

The Templar Knights were the "military" in ancient times that pretty much ruled Jerusalem.
http://alandpeters.tripod.com/knightstempl...to1312/id15.htm (http://alandpeters.tripod.com/knightstemplarera1188to1312/id15.htm)
This one goes little above my head. Something about what the knights found? Dead Sea Scrolls or something...one person was trying to tell me about it, but I couldn't really understand. I bet someone here knows a little more about it than I do.


QUOTE I know too much to government is trying to murder me
No coming back like cutting your wrists open vertically
How could the serpant be purposely put in charge of the country
Genetic engineered sickness spread amongst me
My people are so hungry that they attack without reason
Like a fuckin' dog ripping off the hand that feeds him
Immortal Technique is treason to the patriot act
So come and get me mother fucker cause I'm not coming back

The serpant is a reference to Bush and everyone should know about the Patriot Act.

[Hook]
This is the point from which I could never return
And if I back down now then forever I'll burn
This is the point from which I could never retreat
Cause If I turn back now there can never be peace
This is the point from which I will die or succeed
Living the struggle, I know I'm alive when I bleed
From now on it can never be the same as before
Cause the place I'm from doesn't exist anymore

[Verse 2]

QUOTE This is the point of no return nigga you better believe this
Mary Magdalen giving birth to the children of Jesus

Mary Magdalen was a follower of Jesus and some speculate that she was a prostitute at the time. It's funny cause Technique says Jesus was railing her. haha...Some people take Mary as a saint. Read more here...
http://www.crystalinks.com/marymagdalene.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/marymagdalene.html)


QUOTE The evolution of the world, bloody and dramatic
Human beings killing monkeys to conquer the planet
:blink: don't really know the connection here...


QUOTE The kingdoms of Africa and Mesopotamia
Machine gunnin' your body with depleated uranium
This is the age of micro chips and titanium
The dark side of the moon and contact with aliens
Not really needed an explanation...



QUOTE I started out like Australians, criminal minded
Broke into hell, tore it down, and built and city behind it
Long time ago criminals were sent to Austrailia to work and be banished. A lot of Irish men were sent there.


QUOTE SouthPaw, murderous, methodology nigga
Remember that I'm just a man don't follow me nigga
Cause once you past the point you can never go home
You've got to face the possibility of dying alone
So tell me mother fucker, how could you die for the throne?
When you don't even got the fuckin' heart to die for your own

Here's a site that will tell you everything...http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/newMethodology.html


QUOTE It rains acid, one day the earth will cry from a stone
And you'll be lookin' at the world livin' inside of a dome
Computerized humanity living inside of a clone
This is the place where the unknown is living and real
Wormwood to Planet X and the Seventh Seal
Universal truth is not measure in mass appeal
This is the last time that I kneel and pray to the sky
Cause almost everything that I was always ever told was a lie

I guess Wormwood is refering to this book.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0...0908346-3726042 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0571221505/026-0908346-3726042)
Never read....

A little something on Planet X...
http://xfacts.com/x2.htm (http://xfacts.com/x2.htm)

I know Seventh Seal was a movie, never seen it though.
http://course1.winona.msus.edu/pjohnson/h140/seal.htm (http://course1.winona.msus.edu/pjohnson/h140/seal.htm)

[Hook]
This is the point from which I could never return
And if I back down now then forever I burn
This is the point from which I could never retreat
Cause If I turn back now there can never be peace
This is the point from which I will die or succeed
Living the struggle, I know I'm alive when I bleed
From now on it can never be the same as before
Cause the place I'm from doesn't exist anymore


I didn't make this to explain every little trinket of every line. It was more of a guide to learn exactly what he is trying to say and the allusions and references he makes. Most of you probly already know most of them, but in case I felt like making it...

spanish announce table
July 6th, 2004, 11:52 PM
^ Awesome lyrics


A suicide bomber strapped and ready to blow
Lethal injection strapped down ready to go

This reminded me of one of my own lines..."There's a thin line between right and wrong/ Like a suicide bomb/ Going off saying that they'll die for God/"...Not really related, but it just reminded me of it.

I downloaded Masta Killa's album over the weekend and it's dope as hell. Raekwon and GZA have awesome guest verses. The only problem is I downloaded a song labeled as "Secret Rivals" (someone must hook me up with the real version of this track), but there is no Meth or Priest on it. It's a Masta Killa verse played twice over a pretty sick guitar beat. It opens as..."Intruder alert, sound the cymbal/ this is the war of the Shaolin temple/"...any help?

On a sesame seed bun, you big dummy!

Raw Is Jonathan
July 7th, 2004, 2:49 PM
I gotta get that Masta Killa!

Still ain't fucking out over here...

:mad:

Quick, name me ten albums I should have, some obscure shit like Quietstorm listens to, may even listen to Simone's suggestions...

QuietStorm
July 7th, 2004, 2:58 PM
Nothing THAT obscure here. But if you haven't heard any of these, they are all quality. :yes:


Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Cunninlynguists - Southerunderground
C-Rayz Walz - Ravipops
J-Live - All of the Above
Last Emperor - Music Magic Myth
Murs - The End of the Beginning
The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Tech N9ne - Anghellic

Seanny One Ball
July 7th, 2004, 3:10 PM
How good is Tech N9ne? I thing the only time I ever saw or heard him was on the Beef DVD when he claims to be on a whole different level lyrically.

5 songs that back his claim up QS?

QuietStorm
July 7th, 2004, 3:15 PM
He just has an untouchable flow. That is what separates him. He should have a new album out this year. I know he collaborated with Eminem.


Industry Is Punks
Devil Boy
Tormented
This Ring
It's Alive

.invurzion.
July 7th, 2004, 4:29 PM
I gotta get that Masta Killa!

Still ain't fucking out over here...

:mad:



That Masta Killa album is quality right there...

Seanny One Ball
July 7th, 2004, 4:50 PM
He just has an untouchable flow. That is what separates him. He should have a new album out this year. I know he collaborated with Eminem.


Industry Is Punks
Devil Boy
Tormented
This Ring
It's Alive


Cheers :yes: I'll download those tomorrow - is he any good at freestyling?
I don't know much about the guy so pile on the info.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 7th, 2004, 5:48 PM
QS, on Poet Laureate I, who's that guy who talks about writer's block?

QuietStorm
July 8th, 2004, 2:57 PM
It's the poet James Dickey. He is on Poet Laureate II as well.....

"Generally I take-- I go with the given..
you know with what comes to me over the celestial wireless,
whenever it comes, you're lucky when you get it..."

http://www.eclectica.org/v1n5/dickey.jpg

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 8th, 2004, 4:16 PM
Aha, cheers

While I'm here, suggestions that I would able to find on kazaa lite?

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 9th, 2004, 5:13 PM
anyone else heard the new ll cool j single? fuck me...

Raw Is Jonathan
July 10th, 2004, 4:35 AM
I shan't fuck you and neither have I heard it...

Good or bad?

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 10th, 2004, 5:12 AM
It's embarassing

QuietStorm
July 10th, 2004, 6:04 PM
Flow, were you talking specifically Canibus tracks to download on Kazaa? Or anyone?

If you wanted Canibus tracks then try and find Get Off Ya Knees, U Didn't Care (King of Sorrow Remix), and How Many MC's.

And Rip Is Alive is 2 minutes worth of :eek: over a shit hot beat.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 10th, 2004, 6:19 PM
Anything really, I've already downloaded the whole of The Curriculum though

QuietStorm
July 10th, 2004, 6:34 PM
Have you heard Rip the Jacker yet??? STOUPE PRODUCTION! Because if not, oh man. Actually, just get 2000 B.C and RtJ. All his old freeverses and other unreleased stuff you will have trouble finding on Kazaa. You would have to get them off me or some other Bisaholic. Check out the CanibusWorld or Canibus-Central forums. Both have everything he has ever done in one pinned thread.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 10th, 2004, 6:40 PM
Nice one, I'll just download whatever kazaa lite finds

Raw Is Jonathan
July 11th, 2004, 2:09 PM
Whoop.

Roots AND Masta Killa tomorrow.

:rubshandstogethersmiley:

Well into Non-Phixion at the minute. Slowly going through their green dvd bit by bit. Worth copping any of their solo shit?

Raw Is Jonathan
July 11th, 2004, 2:21 PM
Nothing THAT obscure here. But if you haven't heard any of these, they are all quality. :yes:


Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Cunninlynguists - Southerunderground
C-Rayz Walz - Ravipops
J-Live - All of the Above
Last Emperor - Music Magic Myth
Murs - The End of the Beginning
The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Tech N9ne - Anghellic

Got The Roots c.d

Obviously getting new roots and masta killa tomorrow.

So put J-Live and Last Emperor into my shopping basket for a couple of weeks time.

:yes:

Raw Is Jonathan
July 12th, 2004, 10:15 AM
YEAH!

:heart: Masta Killa and Roots.

Picked up Hi-Tek - HiTeknology too because it was only a fiver, and of course contained the classic Round & Round, well a classic to me because it reminded me of this fine bitch I was with around 2000.

:D

:yes:

spanish announce table
July 12th, 2004, 1:02 PM
These are the opening bars of an unidentified Masta Killa verse, and I was wondering if anyone can help me identify it.

Intruder alert, sound the cymbal/
This be the war of the Shaolin temple/
It's time to re-stack my gun/
We the one's that'll come through and smack sparks out your art/
With the exceptions of a few, who respected it for what it was/
Spit venemous syndrome, styles heavy/
But this tactic I've adapted and made it my own/
Feeling right and exact at home, splitting your head with the chrome/

QuietStorm
July 13th, 2004, 2:15 PM
Well, Bis has been in the studio with this Nottz guy a lot over the last couple months. Rumor is the production is going to be very Dre-like on this album. Here is a look at his previous works.

--------------------------------
Source: http://www.boxden.com/slumz/showthread.php?t=52827


Method Man-Uh Huh
Kardina Offishall-Sick
Skillz-Imagine
Murdock-Wasn't 4 Rap

Lord Have Mercy - Thee Ungodly Hour
"holy water"
Paint Ya Face
Wicked Ways
Ride Away
Say What Say What

Busta Rhymes - E.L.E. (The Final World Front) (Dec. 15, 1998)
02. Everybody Rise
03. Where We Are About To Take It
04. Extinction Level Event (The Song Of Salvation)

Violator - The Album (Aug. 10, 1999)
03. Whatcha Come Around Here For (feat. Flipmode Squad)

Krumb Snatcha - Killer In Me b/w Take The Pain Away [12"] (Oct. 26, 1999)
01. Killer In Me
02. Take The Pain Away

Various Artists - Lyricist Lounge Vol. 2 (Nov. 28, 2000)
38. Legendary Street Team (Remix) (feat. M.O.P. and Kool G Rap)

Notorious B.I.G. - Born Again (Dec. 07, 1999)
05. Dangerous MC's (feat. Mark Curry, Snoop Dogg, and Busta Rhymes)

Rah Digga - Dirty Harriet (Apr. 04, 2000)
08. Showdown
09. The Last Word (feat. Tha Outsidaz)
11. Straight Spittin', Part II
12. What's Up Wit' That
14. Just For You (feat. Flipmode Squad)

Busta Rhymes - Anarchy (Jun. 20, 2000)
11. Get Out
13. Trip Out Of Town
21. Anarchy

M.O.P. - Warriorz (Oct. 10, 2000)
14. Sweet Home (feat. Lord Have Mercy)

Funkmaster Flex - 60 Minutes of Funk Volume IV (Dec. 05, 2000)
19. Uhhnnh (feat. Bad Seed)

Xzibit - Restless (Dec. 12, 2000)
04. U Know (feat. Dr. Dre) - (co-produced with Dr. Dre)

Training Day - OST (Sep. 11, 2001)
02. W.O.L.V.E.S. (feat. Krumb Snatcha and M.O.P.)

Sticky Fingaz - Black Trash: The Autobiography Of Kirk Jones (May 22, 2001)
09. State Vs. Kirk Jones (feat. Rah Digga, Canibus, Superb, Redman, Scarred 4 Life, and Guess Who)

Krumb Snatcha - Long Awaited: Snatcha Season Pt. 2 (Jun. 07, 2001)
04. Blaze (feat. Nottz, Spoon, and Blackndekuh)
09. Do U Wanna (feat. Top Gun and Boogieman)
13. Hood Turn Hot
14. Killer In Me
15. Jungle
16. Take Your Pain Away

Busta Rhymes - Genesis (Nov. 27, 2001)
01. Intro (Dolemite Interlude)
09. Pass The Courvoisier
20. Bad Dreams

Scarface - The Fix (Aug. 06, 2002)
06. Keep Me Down

Snoop Dogg Presents Doggy Style All Stars - Welcome To Tha House Vol. 1 (Aug. 13, 2002)
16. Prodigy, Snoop Dogg, Special Ed, Mr. Kane - Don't Make A Wrong Move

Krumb Snatcha - Respect All Fear None (Oct. 08, 2002)
09. Oxygen (feat. Boogieman)

DJ Kayslay - Streetsweeper Vol. 1 (May 20, 2003)
15. Angel's Voice (feat. Flipmode Squad)

G-Unit - Beg For Mercy (Nov. 14, 2003)
09. Footprints
Sample: Martha Bass - Walk With Me

Ghostface - The Pretty Toney Album (Apr. 20, 2004)
14. Be This Way
16. Tooken Back (feat. Jacki-O)

Rock Marciano
05. Scared Straight
13. On In On In

DMP
Don't Want To Give That Up
Life Ain't Sweet
Uncutt Raw

D.V. Alias , Fat Joe?s The Attack Is On

Expect to hear Nottz' sounds on Dr. Dre's upcoming project as well as material for Jill Scott's highly anticipated release. Nottz is also working on tracks for Busta Rhymes and Stat Quo's Aftermath debut. He will also contribute tracks for Canibus' next LP as well as a collaborative release with Royce 5'9''. DMP's debut is slated for a September 2004 street date and is produced in its entirety by Nottz and will feature high-profile collaborations with Snoop Dogg, Busta Rhymes, Cee-Lo, and Bilal. Nottz also did a track with Cormega for Legal Hustle Vol. 1, that didn't make it.

Kris P. Lettus
July 13th, 2004, 4:12 PM
I've recently bought:
-Beastie Boys-Licence to Ill
-RUN DMC-Greatest Hits
-Rage Against the Machine Live
-Masta Killah-No Set Date
-The Roots-The Tipping Point
-Biggie-Ready to Die Remastered
-Devin the Dude-To the Xtreme

:yes:??

Kris P. Lettus
July 13th, 2004, 4:13 PM
Oh yeah, and my boy's burning me the new Mr. Dibbs (DJ) and the new Beastie Boys..

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
July 13th, 2004, 4:28 PM
Well, Bis has been in the studio with this Nottz guy a lot over the last couple months. Rumor is the production is going to be very Dre-like on this album. Here is a look at his previous works.

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Method Man-Uh Huh

05. Dangerous MC's (feat. Mark Curry, Snoop Dogg, and Busta Rhymes)


09. State Vs. Kirk Jones (feat. Rah Digga, Canibus, Superb, Redman, Scarred 4 Life, and Guess Who)


06. Keep Me Down


:o

QuietStorm
July 13th, 2004, 5:26 PM
State vs. Kirk Jones is one of the most perfect hip hop tracks ever.

Kris P. Lettus
July 14th, 2004, 4:03 PM
No Set Date is the greatest shit to come out in a long time...

Anyone who remotely likes Wu should get it...

Hack
July 15th, 2004, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I plan on finally picking up No Said Date this week. Its on sale at Best Buy for like 9.99 I think. By the end of my planned shopping spree, I'll own that and a badass Bowie poster. Awww yeah.

Oh, and about No Said Date, where would all of you that own it rate it? Is it better than, say, Tical? Better than Ironman?

Seanny One Ball
July 15th, 2004, 1:59 PM
Dude, I'm tempted to say Tical the Prequel is better than Tical...

Kris P. Lettus
July 15th, 2004, 2:48 PM
Oh, and about No Said Date, where would all of you that own it rate it? Is it better than, say, Tical? Better than Ironman?

I'd say it's equal to any of the first rotation cd's...

Only listened to it once though..

p.s.I've been calling it No "Set" Date...

:$

Raw Is Jonathan
July 16th, 2004, 6:56 AM
No Said Date is class.

It's 2004 Wu Tang.

Greatness.

Okay, you could probably be picky about some things, but I'm not going to picky about it!

:heart: Masta Killa

Greatness.

Just look at the cover of the c.d to recognise the greatness.

QuietStorm
July 16th, 2004, 7:52 PM
For anyone interested, here is the master list I was talking about the other day. I have probably posted it before, I can't remember. I have most of this stuff or can easily get it. So just IM me at PoisonPenned if you want something.....

Can-I-Bus [1998]

01 - Intro
02 - Patriots [Featuring Free]
03 - Get Retarded
04 - Niggonometry
05 - Second Round KO [Featuring Mike Tyson]
06 - What's Going On
07 - I Honor U
08 - Hype-nitis
09 - How We Roll
10 - Channel Zero
11 - Let's Ride
12 - Buckingham Palace
13 - Rip Rock

2000 B.C. [2000]

01 - C-Quel
02 - 2000 B.C. (Before Can-I-Bus)
03 - Life Liquid [Featuring Journalist]
04 - Shock Therapy
05 - Watch Who U Beef Wit
06 - I'll Buss 'Em U Punis 'Em [Featuring Rakim]
07 - Mic-Nificent
08 - Die Slow [Featuring Journalist]
09 - Doomsday News
10 - Lost @ C
11 - Phuk U
12 - Horsemen [Featuring Pharoahe Monch]
13 - Horsementality [Featuring Killah Priest, Ras Kass, Kurupt]
14 - 100 Bars
15 - Chaos

C True Hollywood Stories [2001]

01 - Introduction
02 - Stan Lives!
03 - U Didn't Care
04 - The Rip Off
05 - C.T.H.S. (Title Track)
06 - A Different Vibe In L.A.
07 - I Gotta Story 2 Tell
08 - Stan n Can [Featuring Stan]
09 - Hate U 2 [Featuring Pakman]
10 - Stop Smoking
11 - Lemmie Hear Sumthin' Else [Featuring Pakman]
12 - Hott Tonight
13 - Gotta Get That Doe [Featuring Pakman]
14 - R U Lyrically Fit [Featuring Luminati]
15 - Ya Teef iz Yellow [Featuring Pakman]
16 - Luv U 2 [Featuring Pakman]
17 - Draft Me [Featuring C4]
18 - Box Cutta' Blade Runna
19 - One Of My Favorites
20 - Outro
21 - Bonus Track

Mic Club The Curriculum [2002]

01 - Mic Club Intro
02 - Poet Laureate
03 - Master Thesis
04 - Behind Enemy Lines
05 - Allied Meta-Forces [Featuring Kool G Rap]
06 - Cenior Studies 02
07 - C Section
08 - Drama AT [Featuring Luminati]
09 - Dr. C Ph. D
10 - Bis vs. Rip [Featuring Rip the Jacker]
11 - Liberal Arts [Featuring Jedi Mind Tricks]
12 - Curriculum 101
13 - Mic Club Outro

My Name Is Nobody [2003]

01 - Intro
02 - My Name Is Nobody
03 - Who Stopped Ya
04 - Stupid Producers
05 - The Dungeon [Featuring Kurupt]
06 - U Know Who
07 - Broke Ass
08 - Get Off Ya Knees
10 - My Home Atlanta
11 - Rip Is Alive [Featuring Rip the Jacker]
12 - Outro

The Brainstream [2003]

01 - Intro
02 - Got Bitches
03 - Horsemen Enforcements [Featuring Kurupt, Ras Kass]
04 - Here 4 Free
05 - Microphone Meticulousness
06 - I Can - U Can't
07 - U Didn't Care (remix)
08 - How Many MC's
09 - Falster Ego [Featuring Rip the Jacker]
10 - Outro

Rip the Jacker [2003]

01 - Intro
02 - Genabis
03 - Levitibus
04 - M-Sea-Cresy
05 - No Return
06 - Spartibus
07 - Indibisible
08 - Showtime At The Gallow
09 - Psych Evaluation
10 - Cemantics
11 - Poet Laureate II

The Horsemen Project [Featuring Four Hoursemen] [2003]

01 - The Horsemen
02 - Shaky Love
03 - Leather Steeds
04 - Fourth Windz Blow
05 - The 4 Horsemen Of Apocalypse
06 - Revelationz
07 - The Fourth Seal
08 - Cavalier
09 - Scrolls

Features

33-3's [2001]
4 Horsemen [Featuring Ras Kass, Killah Priest, Kurupt]
4,3,2,1 [Featuring Redman, Method Man, DMX, LL Cool J] [1997]
4,3,2,1 [Original] [Featuring Redman, Method Man] [1997]
AIDS is Gold, HIV is Platinum [Featuring Lisa Stone] [1998]
All Hail Canibus [1998]
All That you Got [Featuring Brian McKnight]
Another One Bites the Dust [Featuring Queen, Wyclef Jean, Free] [1998]
Beasts from the East [Featuring Mr. Cheeks, A+, Redman] [1997]
Blak iz Blak [Featuring Mums, Mos Def, Charli Baltimore, MC Serch, DJ Scratch, Gano Grills] [2000]
Bop Your Head [Featuring Killah Priest] [2000]
Boyz to Men [Featuring Mr. Cheeks, A+] [1999]
C-Quel [Extended] [2000]
Can't Fuck wit the Canibus Man [Featuring Pakman] [2001]
Can't Stop The Shining [Rip Rock Pt. 2] [Featuring Pras, Free, Lenny Kravitz] [1998]
Channel Zero [Original] [1998]
Coconuts[2000]
Da Shock [Featuring Malarchi] [2001]
Desperados Part I [Featuring Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ, Nature] [1997]
Desperados Part II [Featuring Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ, Nature] [1997]
DJ Keep Playing [Featuring Black Rob, Yvette Mi]
Douleurs Communes [Featuring Tandem, Ol'Kainry, Kaskami]
Enemies of the State [Featuring Tragedy Khadafi]
Enemies of the State [remix] [Featuring Tragedy Khadafi, Big Punisher]
Escape to Victory [2001]
Fantastic Four [Featuring Cam’ron, Big Punisher, Nore] [1998]
Get Retarded [Remix] [1998]
Get Retarded [The Moth Remix] [1998]
Ghetto Superstar [Featuring Pras, Mya, Wyclef Jean, Old Dirty Bastard] [1998]
Gone Til' November [remix] [Featuring Wyclef Jean, R.Kelly, Youssou N' Dour] [1998]
Group Home Family [Featuring Lost Boyz, Panama P.I.] [1997]
Hell [Featuring Pharoah Monche] [1999]
Horsemen Are Here [Featuring Pacman, Killah Priest, Ras Kass, Kurupt]
Horsemen Promo Hype [Featuring Pharoahe Monche]
Horsemen Promo [Featuring Ras Kass, Killah Priest]
Horsemen Talk [Featuring Ras Kass, Killah Priest, Kurupt] [2001]
How Come [Remix] [Featuring Wyclef Jean, Youssou N' Dour] [2003]
How Come [Featuring Wyclef Jean, Youssou N’Dour] [1998]
I'll Bust 'Em, U Punish 'Em [Featuring Rakim] [1999]
Indestructible [Featuring Reign] [1998]
Indestructible [Remix] [Featuring Reign] [1998]
King Piece of the Chess Game [Featuring Slick Rick] [1999]
Ladies and Willies [Featuring Cap-One] [2000]
Last Laugh [2001]
Lyrical Eclipse
Making a Name for Ourselves [Featuring Common] [1997]
Music Makes me High [remix] [Featuring Lost Boyz, DPG]
My Crew [Featuring Lost Boyz, A+] [1996]
No Airplay [Featuring Wyclef Jean, Manhunt] [1998]
No Doubt [Remix] [Featuring 702] [1996]
No Stoppin Us [Featuring Knowa Lazarus]
October 23rd [Featuring Pakman] [2001]
Patriots [Remix] [1998]
Priesthood [Featuring Killah Priest] [2000]
Pure Uncut [Remix] [Featuring Eightball, DMX, McGruff]
Rip the Jacker [Featuring Pakman] [2001]
Second Round Knockout [Promo] [Featuring A+] [1998]
Seriously [Featuring FlipSquad] [1998]
Slay Da Track [Featuring Pakman] [2001]
Snakes and Ladders [Featuring Structurize] [1998]
Some Shit [Featuring Erick Sermon, Keith Murray, Déjà vu] [1999]
Startin' Sunthin' [Featuring Skidabee, Lethal][2001]
“When I compose flows, mics will blow. You wanna smoke? I set fire to your isotopes.”
Shove this Jay-Oh-Bee [Featuring Biz Markie] [1999]
Talkin' the Talk [Featuring Kurupt, Killah Priest]
The Big Showoff [Featuring Pakman, Loose Cannons, Thirstin Howl III, Rack-Lo, Pumkinhead, DJ Confuze] [2001]
The Grand Deception [1998]
The State vs. Kirk Jones [Featuring Rah Digga, Superb, Redman, Scarred 4 Life, Guess Who, Sticky Fingaz] [2000]
Tibetan Black Magicians [Featuring Jedi Mind Tricks] [2003]
Throw it Up [Featuring MOP, Kool G Rap]
Uni-4-orm [Featuring Ras Kass, Heltah Skeltah] [1997]
United Fire [Featuring Kamnouze]
Universal MC's [Featuring A+, McGruff]
Watch Who You Beef With [Original]
Who Owns You
Who Writes the Song [Featuring James Samuel]
Woof Tickets [Featuring Bags Crew]
You Say [Featuring Kneka]

Freestyles

103 Jamz Part I

“I radiate like plutonium rods that glow, Geinger Counters drum roll when I start to flow.”

103 Jamz Part II

“If I say it once, I’ll say it a thousand times, I got thousands of rhymes, the rechargeable alkaline kind.”

103 Jamz Part III

“I kick a verse at six-hundred and sixty-six megahertz, make lightning flash across the sky every time I curse.”

4 Bars [Featuring Killah Priest, Rose Cartel]

“I’m all work and no play 24 hours a day, the way Canibus trains, makes the green berets look gay.”

88 Hip-Hop [Featuring Journalist]

“Wack emcee’s is so fake, you make me want to punch your whole face. Hit you so hard my hand breaks and my shoulder dislocates.”
“I’m probably what you would call a record population industry population enforcer.”

Can’t Fuck wit the Canibus Man Live

“My mouth is mechanically mechanized, my verbal weapon fires a whole clip of rhymes before you can get off one round.”
Canibustible
“This is hard-core out of my heart’s core, principle, laws, equations and formulas drawn on chalk-board.”

CKUT Canada

“I spit so ferocious I can’t stay focused.”

Conan O’Brian

“I go from being on stage with a lion to Conan O’ Brian.”

DJ Clue [Featuring Journalist]

“I’m faster than leopards running across the vast desert at 22 yards per second.”
“You against me, no contest.”
“Nobody can flow with Bis.”
“The illest emcee and I possess the ability, to run at top speeds without bending my knees.”

DJ Clue - Tony Touch

“I speak at frequencies dogs would have trouble hearing.”

DJ Flam [Featuring A+]

“I can kick a freestyle any time you demand it.”

DJ Kay Slay Part I [Featuring Journalist]

“My power to weight ratio, makes it capable, for me to carry hundred thousand pound boost radios.”

DJ Kay Slay Part II [Featuring Journalist]

“When you see the ‘C’ you know Canibus is coming through.”

Doo Wop

“You mother fucker’s is so fake, you make me want to smash your whole face.”

Double Time [Featuring Pakman]

“As a young style I was so bad, I used to drive on the Ave with no tags.”
“Nigga please, what you think this is?”

Freestyle Frenzy [Featuring Masta Ace, Wordsworth, Maylay Sparks, Scorzayzz, Skinny Man, Scorpion, Mr. Forty Five, Rodney P]

“In linear terms”

Friday Night Flava's Round Table Cypher Part I [Featuring Pakman, David J, The Vocal Pugilist, Kamikaze, Rodney P]

“I think fast, switch fast.”
“I’m as dangerous as they come.”
“Lyrically I’m bananas, my tongue moves like Hindu belly dancers performing Tantra.”
“Niggas don’t want to test.”

Friday Night Flava's Round Table Cypher Part II [Featuring Pakman, David J, The Vocal Pugilist, Kamikaze, Rodney P]

“It’s mentally unimaginable, mathematically incalculable.”
“My mouth is mechanically mechanized, my verbal weapon fires a whole clip of rhymes before you can get off one round.”

Funk Master Flex [Featuring DMX, Noreaga]

“Whenever the head is severed from the human body with a sharp enough weapon, the brain remains constant for ten seconds.”
“F the nonsense, I got the reinforcements, to crush any enemies office, with a hundred thousand horsemen.”
“For hip-hop heads, I provide the ultimate high, Canibus the difference between Harvard and Devry.”
“You think that you a tough guy, I’ma show you who’s tougher.”
“I’m a nuclear warhead, right now you’re provoking my detonation.”
“Contrary to what you’ve been told, New York is actually old.”
“I go hard, like terrorists smuggling bombs.”
“I inspire to kick the phattest that you’ve ever witnessed.”
“Rock it off the top of the head, we’ll all fall victim to blood shed.”
“I splatter your brain matter.”

Funk Master Flex

“For all you niggas saying that my shit is sick, just imagine the 90% of my brain that I ain’t even used yet.”

Future Flavaz Part I [Featuring Ras Kass]

“If I had half as many bars in gold, as I had in lyrics when I flowed, I’d be the richest man on the globe.”

Future Flavaz Part II [Featuring Ras Kass]

“I’m probably what you’d call a record industry population enforcer.”

It's Logic

“I’m the greatest scientifically inclined mind since Einstein.”

Hot 97 ‘Release Day’ Part I

“I’ll cut thru your epidermal layers with verbal lasers, sharper than razors on the feet of Olympic ice skaters.”

Hot 97 ‘Release Day’ Part II

“I’m as dangerous as they come, dangerous with or without a gun, I’ve been dangerous since day one.”

Jurrasic 5

“Me and Jurrasic 5 in the chromed out Navigator, counting paper, who want to taste the new flavour?”
“Canibus is above the law.”
“F the nonsense, I got the reinforcement, to crush any enemies office, with a hundred thousand horsemen.”
“I’m a nuclear warhead.”

Mad Ball & Tab One

“If I’m hawking you like a bird, it ain’t because I respect you God.”

PhilaFlava - MicClub Promo

“This is the most magnetic rap edit ever permitted, I’m the best that ever done it to somebody that did it.”

Rap City - The Basement [Featuring Big Tigger]

“Yo bust it, the blood in my brain is super conducted.”

Reebok Commercial Part 1

“I was made on an assembly line, my aerodynamic designs and my stitches are ahead of my time.”

Reebok Commercial Part 2

“Beware, if E=mc², then A.I. equals ankles in intensive care.”

Rip the Jacker Live

“I heard there’s a rumour going around that I got dropped.”

DJ Clue [Featuring Sonya Blade]

“I practice the ‘Art of War’ like Bone Thugs.”

Shout Out to Lost Boyz

“Lost Boyz the Beasts from the East up in this piece, with a new release on the streets every fifty two weeks.”
“Just by watching you.”

Stretch Armstrong Part 1 [Featuring Journalist]

“Who got the street jumping off with the force?”

Stretch Armstrong Part 2 [Featuring Journalist]

“Observe how the rhyme blurs, twists and turns, shifts and curves, the most disturbed nigga on Earth.”

Stretch Armstrong Part 3 [Featuring Journalist]

“2000 A.D., after disaster.”

Subterrania London [18-12-00] [Featuring Pakman]

Sway and Tech Phone

“I came out to L.A., to see Tech and Sway.”

Wake up Show [Featuring Ras Kass, Kron Don]

“Lyrically, I’m bananas. My tongue moves like Hindu belly dancers performing Tantra.”

Wake Up Show vol. 7 [Featuring Ras Kass]

“War, the hardcore, raw metaphor.”

Westwood [Featuring Pakman]

“I dun been from Jersey to Brooklyn.”

Westwood - Oh No [Featuring Pakman]

“I think fast, switch fast.”
“I heard a rumour English women make love the best.”

Westwood Part I [Featuring Wyclef Jean]

“I look directly into human eyes to see if you’re pussy, and completely ruin your ability to lie to me.”
“My lyrical inertia, rips holes through the fabric of universes, with rhymes three times the density of what the earth is.”
“Physically, I move at a velocity, that will break your stop watch if you’re clocking me.”

Westwood Part II [Featuring Wyclef Jean]

“The secret of the ages, I illuminate with logic, what I speak is more than just deep, it’s bottomless.”
“I drink a gallon of the ginseng extract and harness all my lyrical power to rip tracks.”

YALE University

“It’s the phantom of the opera, the Dracula Caligula unpopular, melt your ocular with rocket thrust processors.”

Videos

Singles

100 Bars [Studio]
I Honor U
Mic-Nificent
Niggonometry
Second Round KO [Featuring Mike Tyson]

Guest Appearances

4,3,2,1 [Featuring Redman, Method Man, DMX, LL Cool J]
Another One Bites the Dust [Featuring Queen, Wyclef Jean, Free]
Blak iz Blak [Featuring Mums, Mos Def, Charli Baltimore, MC Serch, DJ Scratch, Gano Grills]
Gone Til' November [remix] [Featuring Wyclef Jean, R.Kelly, Youssou N' Dour]
How Come [Featuring Wyclef Jean, Youssou N’Dour]
Music Makes me High [remix] [Featuring Lost Boyz, DPG]
Shove this Jay-Oh-Bee [Featuring Biz Markie]
Watch Who You Beef With [Original]
Who Writes the Song [Featuring James Samuel]

Freestyles

Wake up Show [Featuring Ras Kass, Kron Don]
4 Bars [Featuring Killah Priest, Rose Cartel]

Live Performances

Army Location Tour Part I [Live]
Army Location Tour Part II [Live]
Denver Tour - Part I [Live Performance]
Denver Tour - Part II [Live Performance]
Denver Tour - Part III [Live Performance]
Ghetto Superstar [Featuring Pras, Mya, Wyclef Jean, Old Dirty Bastard] [Live Performance]
Second Round KO [Live Performance]
Who Writes the Song - A cappella [Live]

Instrumentals

100 Bars [Unofficial]
2000 B.C.
33 Threes
4,3,2,1
Blak iz Blak
C Section
C.T.H.S. (Title Track) [Probably Unofficial]
Cemantics [Unofficial]
Curriculum 101
Die Slow
Genabis [Unofficial]
Get Retarded
Group Home Family
How Come
I Honor U
Indibisible
Instrumental 1 [Off Micclub.net]
Instrumental 2 [Off Micclub.net]
Instrumental 3 [Off Micclub.net]
Ladies and Willies
Last Laugh
Life Liquid
Lost @ C
Mic-Nificent
Niggonometry
No Airplay
No Return
Phuk U
Poet Laureate I
Poet Laureate II [Unofficial]
Psych Evaluation [Unofficial]
R U Lyrically Fit [Probably Unofficial]
Second Round KO
Showtime at the Gallows [Unofficial]
Spartibus
Talkin the Talk
Throw it Up [Featuring MOP, Kool G Rap]
Watch Who U Beef Wit

QuietStorm
July 16th, 2004, 8:10 PM
So yeah, the Infinite Spectrum EP is great. Tracks 2, 3, 4, and 10 are simply awesome car tracks. It is almost perfect, though I don't really like the subject matter on track 6. But his flow on the track is nasty. Very fast.

He also wrote me a little note on the back of the promo flyer for the Ghostface Killah concert he was opening:

"Nathan -

Good looks on the support. I appreciate it. If you feel the music, please play it for your friends. Peace!"

Then he autographs it at the bottom. Pretty nice little piece of memorabilia to save.

Anyways, here is a little interview he did with cellarnoise.com a while before Infinite Spectrum came out. He had only recorded two tracks at the time so it is probably from late last year or early 2004 would be my guess.

And yes, he got sucker-punched by Vinnie Paz. Seems like it is all anyone remembers. I thought about getting the t-shirt on his site commemorating the event.
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http://www.cellarnoise.com/images/icon-phone.gifAmong the many there awaits a king. Not just any king ruling a kingdom but one ruling the mic. After many battles, Icon The Mic King has arrived to tell you how he does his thing. Pay attention, grab a drink cause the banquet is now in session.

Cellar Noise:Tell us a little bit about your background.

Icon The Mic King: I'm from North Philadelphia. Been rhyming for 8 years now and part of a crew called Fallen Angelz. I was born into Hip Hop. The earliest song I can remember was like "Criminal Minded" with KRS ONE. My aunt got that record and every time I'd come over I would ask her to play that record. I started rhyming in like '94 or '95 after getting Method Man's first album. He was my inspiration to rap.

Cellar Noise: A lot of people know you as a freestyle/battle emcee. Tell everyone who you really are as an emcee and an artist.

Icon: The easiest way to put it, to kinda typecast me, would be a space rapper (laughs). I talk about all types of conceptual, crazy stuff, I mean I still do battle stuff cause it's fun and that's how people test your skill but I do a lot concepts, stories and personal stuff. I'm not just your average battle rapper who just does a bunch of punch line songs and then flips conceptual punch line songs and calls it something different. I'm kinda in the same vein of a Last Emperor type cat.

Cellar Noise:I took a look at your website and on your notes I sensed some frustration as far as putting stuff out. Tell us about your journey inside of the business side of Hip Hop.

Icon: My first 12-inch, I dropped it myself so that was basically whenever I could get the dough up, it came out. My follow up 12-inch "IndieInBurns" with C Rayz Walz and some other joints, Third Earth is supposed to drop that. I turned that record in last September and it's still not out. It's finally about to come out now because they wanted me to make some changes on the cover art and a third song with Black Panther, which is gonna be crazy. And I have a special guest but I'm not going to let that out the bag yet. The whole endeavor, you never know what's going to happen unless you're controlling it that's why people do a lot of CD-R stuff so they can get it out and generate buzz. I'm trying to do more official stuff, like dropping 12-inches to build up the anticipation for an album. It's hard to do that when you're trying to get things to come out back to back but they don't come out for a year. My first record dropped in July of last year and now I don't have a follow-up yet. It's not fun and very frustrating.

Cellar Noise: How do you think you can gain or change the business side?

Icon: I think this new record "IndieInBurns" is gonna change that cause I think of my first record as a false start. It's a dope record but I could've done a better record. I was really going into it blindly. The A-side "Ahead of My Time", I was just like yeah I'll write 2 verses that are two pages each. Just because it's two pages doesn't mean it's an equal bar length like one verse is 36 and the other 32. I'm more refined now with this record, I'm really proud of it. The song I did with C Rayz, I don't know if I can declare it classic but it's a real ill song. The other two tracks are real ill too. After this one drops, I think cats will take me more seriously. So more cats will come at me for records instead me trying to shop records. Another thing about being respected is you have to have a steady flow of stuff like C Rayz. He kept dropping dope records back to back so cats were looking for the next C Rayz record. He built that reputation. That's what I'm trying to do, just keep grinding and making music so I can drop it back to back and they can say Icon is packing some heat. I don't want to reinvent the wheel. I saw it work for C Rayz so why not for me.

Cellar Noise: When was that moment when you knew you wanted to do this? Do you have a specific moment?

Icon: It was somewhere around when I was digesting the "Tical" album. I was like yo this cat's flow is ridiculous. I think I can do this. I just started freestyling and like everybody else you don't set out, unless you're 50 Cent, to be a rapper and make money. I was just doing it for fun and I started to get better at it and making music. Then I said this is something I really want to do. Being a rapper was the farthest thing from my mind, I wanted to be a cartoonist. I started making video games and getting heavy into computers but I don't love that anymore. I love making music and speaking from my heart about the things I'm feeling. I realized how good I thought I was so there's no reason I shouldn't be living off of this cause I have talent and skill.

Cellar Noise: Tell me what's going on with the group Voltron.

Icon: It's me, Manifest and my man DJ Cue Two, who is ridiculous. He won the Houston DMC, he was a US Finalist, an ITF Finalist, the kid is nasty. Basically, it was me, Fest, Cue Two, Poison Pen and my man Kwote Scriptures and we on tour for spring break. Me and Fest had some songs and our chemistry was real natural and real ill. We didn't have a DJ so I told Cue Two to come through. We got on stage without practicing or nothing but it came together so naturally and the chemistry is so hot. After the end of the tour, we said we gotta make this a group. Right now, it's going slow cause they're all doing their own thing and I'm doing mine. We just trying to put together an album. I wanna wait until my name get a little bigger so it's easier to get the album out on a timely basis. We're just doing lots of shows because they're there and we don't have to rehearse cause it comes together real well. It's like a Method Man/Redman project or a Camp-Lo type project where we're just bringing all of the elements together to make more classic music. I'm more of a deep underground type cat who can do commercial if I have to and Fest is more commercial who can do the underground. It comes together cause it's not an all underground or all commercial album, it's something cats in Hip Hop can enjoy. That balance is what makes what we do work real well. There's no typecasting, we just make dope music.

Cellar Noise: Tell me about what's happening with Indieground Records.

Icon: That's my little label and I always downplay it because I don't have the money to make it be what I want it to be right now. It's just something I started when I was eighteen, when I first thought we could make it official. The first project we did was my man Perfecto's album and it came out three years ago. We didn't have the money to get it out like that but it did pretty good. After that I dropped my single and I only pressed about a thousand copies. I put it out to see what it did and it sold well. In the future, as I can generate the capital for it, I want to drop my own stuff on Indieground. So I have "Ahead of My Time", IndieInBurns" and three other singles dropping, then I want to re-release those 5 singles on a CD called "Leading By Example" which I want to drop on Indieground so I can get the dough off that. All these label deals are ill cause they get you out there but the economy is bad and records don't sell as well anymore so you don't get much off of 12-inch deals except for shows. So you can say it's like a commercial, that's what 12-inches do. I'm trying let all the commercials run and reap the benefits of the commercials.

Cellar Noise: Are you planning on having any other artists working with you on the label?

Icon: Yeah. I'm pretty sure in the near future we'll release a Manifest 12-inch because he's doing everything he needs to do to have commercial success. Other than that, I got a white label I want to do that has my rendition of Royce Da 5'9's "I'm The King". In the long run I definitely want to be releasing stuff for other artists like my man AWOL. Right now, that's not my focus cause I want to build up the flagship artist which is me.

Cellar Noise: What's your process in writing? Inspiration?

Icon: It depends what type of song it is. If it's a story or conceptual type song, I basically sit there and try to think of something that I haven't heard anyone do, whether it be a movie or a book. I try to come up with something as original as possible. I iron it out in my head before I even get started on paper. I also have to find the perfect beat. If it's a battle type song then stock up punch lines and I sit down with the beat and work it out with the flow. A personal song just comes right out, there's no force to it.

Cellar Noise: Do you have a method? I noticed on the song "The End" you changed up your flows throughout the song.

Icon: That was the first official song I had dropped and I was experimenting with styles. It's a heavily Pharaoh Monch influenced song right there. I was playing with different vocal inflections and there's no rhyme or reason for that, I just wanted to try and freak it. There isn't much of a process cause I sit with a basic vision and flush it out as I go. There's a few things that remain constant through everything I do like matching the syllables, complete sentence rhyme schemes but while doing that I bring it back on some ABBA pattern type thing. So I try to make everything as original as possible.

Cellar Noise: You've been in a lot of battles. What emcee you battled really surprised you?

Icon: Yeah. Diabolical. I heard a lot of stories and I thought he's gonna be nice cause I'm down with him. The way our crew works is we were all crew but I didn't know everyone at the time so I just assumed he was nice. Then I saw him battling and I thought he was nasty. Then when I battled him, I didn't expect him to come up with what he came up with. He caught me off-guard. And he beat me. Diabolic is nice cause he's one of those cats that's automatic, always coming with it. My biggest standout battle was with Many Styles cause I didn't expect to beat him. He went first and I was just sitting there, then all of a sudden something clicked, I blacked out and the next thing I know I won the battle. Many Styles was my favorite emcee at the time so for that to happen was crazy to me.

Cellar Noise: Do you remember your first battle?

Icon: Nope. But the first organized one I can remember was in DC. That was around the time I didn't really understand what battling was. I just thought I'd spit an ill verse and diss 'em a little bit in ways that it's not playing to the crowd but I know I'm killing it. This cat I battled he was wack to me, he was loud and had a presence so they gravitated towards that, where as me, my mic control wasn't the best cause it was the first time in front of people. I was just spitting. So the way I rhyme on tracks is the way I was battling, full rapid flow. Now I take it slow and throw the pauses in there so they can catch it. The thing with battling, the crowd doesn't care what you're saying other than the punch lines, as long as you're saying dope stuff. I could go I'm busting your crew, you're as ugly as your shoes and they won't care about those other two wack lines but as long as they see that his shoes are ugly and he's as ugly, they'll react. So when you annunciate and slow it down, they hear it.

Cellar Noise: What's happening with the EP "Intricate Spectrum"?

Icon: I'll be honest I only have two songs recorded for that out of nine. Most of the stuff is written. I just have to get back to DC and record it. This EP is me being pulled in different directions so people can see what I'm working with. This will prepare me for the album. It's a project to give my fans something to enjoy while I finish my album called "Self Cent Ered". I'm doing my best to make classic albums.

Cellar Noise: Do you consider yourself an experimental emcee?

Icon: I wouldn't say experimental. I'm just a little off centered. People on the left can respect it cause it's a little different and cats to the right don't shy away from it. I try to do things that sound good to me.

Cellar Noise: What do you want to see happen with Icon?

Icon: In the short term, I want to see that underground success. The units moving and touring all of the time like Atmosphere. In the long term, I'd like to have major distribution. It be dope to be signed and have the Kweli, Mos Def, Monch stature in the game.

Cellar Noise:What are you trying to build for the future?

Icon: Longevity basically. I want to have a core fan base. I'm trying to make it so I'm here to stay. I wanna do me and live off of this.

Cellar Noise: So what's next?

Icon: I have the single "IndieInBurns" and I'm trying to work out a third single with Mr. Len. Then the fourth single which will be off of "Intricate Spectrum". I want to create that buzz. I don't want to be the cat that drops an album and no one cares about it.

Cellar Noise: Any last words for your fans?


http://www.cellarnoise.com/images/icon-phone.gifIcon: Buy the record, don't download it (laughs). Thanks for all of the support and keep looking out cause you haven't heard anything yet. Look out for my crew too. My man AWOL is working on his album and Manifest eventually. Diabolic. Poison Pen. Kwote Scriptures. Double Negative. Keep those names in your head. Thanks to Cellar Noise for having me.




Iconthemicking.com

QuietStorm
July 17th, 2004, 9:49 PM
My God, nobody ever posts anything in here.


Anyone else think that Non-Phixion is awful and overrated? I have hardly ever liked a Necro beat and the only one with any real MC talent (and doesn't have to get by purely on shock value) is Sabac. His album was alright, though the chorus' and production is pansy.

Now The Arsonists, there is a real group. As the World Burns is a classic album.

Simon
July 18th, 2004, 5:29 AM
Non-Phixion are awesome...Necro's probably one of my favourite producers, it's always eerie and atmospheric, it's rare to hear a weak beat from him. Bill is easily the best MC in the group. He's got that nastiness of Necro, but much better lyrically and has more of a political edge, more social awareness...he's less of a shock-rapper, more an all-round good MC. The rest are only ok. Goretex bores me.

The Future Is Now is one of my favourite albums everrrrr :eek:

Raw Is Jonathan
July 18th, 2004, 7:29 AM
Sabac is my favourite, only got the Green C.D and I am in to it.

Not the best ever, but not over-rated either.

Not really into the sickness of Necro and Ill Bill though, to be fair.

Seanny One Ball
July 18th, 2004, 1:52 PM
Why the hell do I keep hearing J-Kwon?

There is nothing hard about getting "tipsy".

Ugh.

QuietStorm
July 18th, 2004, 6:24 PM
Because you hang out at clubs. Gotta stop doing that.

Seanny One Ball
July 19th, 2004, 6:07 AM
I never hang out at clubs, it's all over tv and radio though :no:

It's balls.

QuietStorm
July 19th, 2004, 4:09 PM
"I'm technologically more advanced than you are. My thought process begins where a regular human apex's at." - Shaq on the Sunday Conversation yesterday.

Hmmmm, I wonder who he could have stolen that from. :chin:

Seanny One Ball
July 19th, 2004, 4:12 PM
To me it sounds like a Canibus line, but then everyone would say that considering you're the resident Canibus listener.

It does sound like that though.

QuietStorm
July 19th, 2004, 4:14 PM
Yeah, but have you looked at the MiClub: The Curriculum thank yous? Shaq is in there so they are probably at least acquaintances. I remember on Shaq's MTV Cribs episode he had 2000 B.C playing in the background.

spanish announce table
July 19th, 2004, 11:52 PM
"I'm technologically more advanced than you are. My thought process begins where a regular human apex's at." - Shaq on the Sunday Conversation yesterday.

Hmmmm, I wonder who he could have stolen that from. :chin:

My intelligence begins where your's peaks at.

Last week I downloaded Revolutionary Vol. 2 and Kiss of Death. I've heard so much about Immortal Technique, and after hearing this album, he deserves the credit. I cant find a bad track on here. Point of No Return is friggin awesome.

Jadakiss was kind of a let down. Too many generic hooks and beats. When he really tries to write personal stuff, or tell stories, or just make another banger with Styles, it comes off well. The stuff with Pharrell, Mariah Carey and Snoop is boring.

Does anybody know the sample used on the chorus of JMT's "Deer Hunter"? It sounds like Sade, but I'm not sure.

Raw Is Jonathan
July 22nd, 2004, 2:32 PM
Because you hang out at clubs. Gotta stop doing that.

I keep telling myself this.

Hearing J-Kwon ten times a night and hearing a load of people calling it 'hectic' or 'off the hook' does my head in...

DJ should drop some Immortal Technique!

*lives in fantasy world as usual*

CollegeGraduate
July 24th, 2004, 2:30 AM
My God, nobody ever posts anything in here. .



Maybe its because you have soaked this whole place with ur cannibus hoopla. :)


Anyhow, This seriously has been an awful year for hip hop.


I was looking forward to Dre's new album earlier in the year and then that got scrapped. I have been dissapointed by much of everything. Bright spot was Kanye. I want something new, something inspirational, something to make me smile, cry, and happy all in 1 cd. I miss Pac. :(

*Goes off to listen to Changes

Seanny One Ball
July 24th, 2004, 6:36 AM
I've just realised that the replay value in my Ghostface and Method Man 2004 albums isn't great.

I know the Pretty Toney album is good, but it's difficult to listen to sometimes.

I'm looking for something new right now, I just got a job so I can afford it. Someone suggest an absolute classic that I should really have. Something as good as The Big Picture would be pretty sweet - or maybe I should try some Big Daddy Kane? His verse on track 12 (yeah I know, I can't remember the bloody title though) is shit hot, definately going to look into it if he rapped like that all the time.

QuietStorm
July 24th, 2004, 2:31 PM
Maybe its because you have soaked this whole place with ur cannibus hoopla. :)Ok, just stop being ignorant. How many artists have I gotten people into or at least attempted to (Immortal Technique, Tonedeff, C-Rayz Walz, Murs, Illogic, Icon the Mic King, Aesop Rock, etc.) compared with you? Sure, I love Canibus (one N in Canibus, thank you Mr. GRADUATE) but I have done quite a lot else for the hip hoppers here than you could ever admit.

That is me. Owning you.

CollegeGraduate
July 24th, 2004, 3:57 PM
Ok, just stop being ignorant. How many artists have I gotten people into or at least attempted to (Immortal Technique, Tonedeff, C-Rayz Walz, Murs, Illogic, Icon the Mic King, Aesop Rock, etc.) compared with you? Sure, I love Canibus (one N in Canibus, thank you Mr. GRADUATE) but I have done quite a lot else for the hip hoppers here than you could ever admit.

That is me. Owning you.



You are indeed the savior.

Don't get you're panties in a bunch though, I never questioned what you have done here nor do I care. But as I read many of you're posts in this forum, I noticed alot of Canibus. That was my point. I think it is wonderful that you promote underground and less known acts in hip hop but I think you should not diss the more mainstream artists that you may not like. That pushes people away from posting because they feel they will be ridiculed for their taste in music. IE. when you insulted me for enjoying lloyd banks.

Anyhow, How about you recommend some mainstream acts that had good albums this year?



And yeah, you own me. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Simon
July 24th, 2004, 5:56 PM
I've just realised that the replay value in my Ghostface and Method Man 2004 albums isn't great.

I know the Pretty Toney album is good, but it's difficult to listen to sometimes.

I'm looking for something new right now, I just got a job so I can afford it. Someone suggest an absolute classic that I should really have. Something as good as The Big Picture would be pretty sweet - or maybe I should try some Big Daddy Kane? His verse on track 12 (yeah I know, I can't remember the bloody title though) is shit hot, definately going to look into it if he rapped like that all the time.The Big Picture isn't great at all...do you have Lifestylez Ov Da Poor And Dangerous? Cos that's an infinitely superior album.

jesus sucks
July 25th, 2004, 5:01 AM
thats a class album that, especially track 4 which i cant remember the name of. its boss :yes:

Seanny One Ball
July 25th, 2004, 5:43 AM
The Big Picture isn't great at all...do you have Lifestylez Ov Da Poor And Dangerous? Cos that's an infinitely superior album.


No, I don't.

And The Big Picture beats the shit out of most albums I own, so yeah, it's a good album. A very fucking good album.

Simon
July 25th, 2004, 5:44 AM
8 Is Enough?

Seanny One Ball
July 25th, 2004, 6:27 AM
Whaddya mean?

Simon
July 25th, 2004, 6:35 AM
No, I don't.

And The Big Picture beats the shit out of most albums I own, so yeah, it's a good album. A very fucking good album.The Big Picture is the equivalent of Biggie's 'Born Again' or 2pac's 'R U Still Down?'...not a bad album by the standards of hip-hop in general, but nowhere near as good as their pre-death albums, really just a mish-mash of recorded verses with (obviously) no input from the artist about how the verses run together etc. Other than Ebonics, there's no stand-out tracks on the album. Lifestylez..., on the other hand, is fantastic. Probably the biggest praise I can give it is that it's as close to Illmatic as you'll ever heard, stylistically and quality-wise.

Simon
July 25th, 2004, 6:37 AM
And '8 Is Enough' is the name of the track JS is talking about, I think.

jesus sucks
July 25th, 2004, 7:38 AM
i just got out lotpnd and yeah it is "8 is enough" that im on about, what a tune....

Raw Is Jonathan
July 25th, 2004, 8:22 AM
As close to illmatic as you'll find?

Shit, might have to cop that!

also, new goodie mob and devin the dude worth getting?

QuietStorm
July 25th, 2004, 2:18 PM
Anyhow, How about you recommend some mainstream acts that had good albums this year?Like who? Kanye? His album was pretty good, but he is a weak (errrr...wack?) rapper. Needs to stick to the boards.

And I am not too big a fan of the Wu, so their releases this year haven't really done anything for me.

Also, I have praised the hell out of the Talib Kweli Beautiful Mixtape and the web rip of his Beautiful Struggle album so I also have you there.

Raw Is Jonathan
July 25th, 2004, 2:22 PM
Oh no, you're not a fan of the Wu?

You bastard!

When is Talib's album out anyway?

What have people thought of the tipping point? not as good as phrenology...

*still need's to check out some of those albums reccommended by quiet storm few pages back...*

QuietStorm
July 25th, 2004, 2:39 PM
The Tipping Point is weak in my opinion. Didn't do very well with rapreviews.com either. I think that after the pinnacle that was Things Fall Apart and the loss of Malik B things have gone downhill.

Alright, Talib's album was SUPPOSED to be out in April. But then the leaking happened in February when the product wasn't even close to being finished so he went back in and re-did a lot of things. Then the mixtape came out in April (with Dave Chapelle hosting as Rick James). Album release date is now September 21st.

Outerspace album (Blood & Ashes) out now. Immortal Technique is on there (that track is amazing), as well as JMT of course. But Stoupe doesn't produce anything.

The Jedi Mind Tricks Legacy of Blood album will also be out on September 21st. The first single from the album, On The Eve Of War feat. GZA, will be released sometime in August. STOUPE BEATS.............:eek:!!!!!!!! PAZ VERSES..........:cry:.

Seanny One Ball
July 25th, 2004, 9:12 PM
also, new goodie mob and devin the dude worth getting?



The new Goodie Mob is supposed to be pretty good, the Source (far be it from me to believe Benzino) said it suffered because Cee left though.
Apparently there's a few disses directed at him, dunno specifics though.

And Simon - The Big Picture is top quality imo, maybe I haven't heard all that led up to it or all that preceeded it but I'll get there. Just gimme time. :yes:
And btw, Ebonics is probably my favourite song off the album. I'm not 100% keen on the Fat Joe verses on two of the tracks but still - the beats don't suffer.

Kris P. Lettus
July 26th, 2004, 8:52 AM
No Said Date is f'n AWESOME...

People, that is all..

Raw Is Jonathan
July 26th, 2004, 3:15 PM
The new Goodie Mob is supposed to be pretty good, the Source (far be it from me to believe Benzino) said it suffered because Cee left though.
Apparently there's a few disses directed at him, dunno specifics though.


Hmm.

Could actually be the name of the album gave that one away...

;)

And yes Krispy, it is.

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 3:34 PM
I've just created a maaaaaaassive 263 track list to put over 3 Minidiscs over the next week or so...basically my absolute favourite tracks in hip-hop EVA!!111. Oh, and a couple of cheesy ones that I still love :D...oh, and I've probably missed off the majority of good tracks ever made, but that's what the edit function on my MD is for :eek:

And here they are...

2pac - All About You
2pac - Changes
2pac - Dear Mama
2pac - Hit 'Em Up
2pac - I Ain't Mad Atcha
2pac - Letter To My Unborn
2pac - Made Niggaz
2pac - Pain
2pac - Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
2pac - So Many Tearz
2pac - Temptations
2pac - Trapped
2pac - Troublesome '96
2pac - Until The End Of Time
2pac - California Love
2pac - In The Air Tonight
2pac - 2 Of Amerika's Most Wanted
50 Cent - Life's On The Line
50 Cent - Many Men
50 Cent - What Up Gangsta
A Tribe Called Quest - Scenario
Aesop Rock - Nightlight
Angie Martinez - Breathe
Angie Martinez - Every Little Girl
Angie Martinez - Never
Angie Martinez - So Good
Angie Martinez - Fucked Up Situation
Angie Martinez - Live At Jimmy's
Arrested Development - Mr. Wendel
Big L - Ebonics
Big Pun - 100%
Big Pun - Beware
Big Pun - Brave In The Heart
Big Pun - My Dick
Big Pun - The Dream Shatterer
Big Pun - You Ain't A Killer
Big Pun - Who Is A Thug?
Big Pun - Super Lyrical
Big Pun - It's So Hard
Big Pun - Still Not A Player
Big Pun - Punish Me
Big Pun - You Came Up
Boo Yah Tribe - 911
Busta Rhymes - Woo Hah
Cam'ron - Welcome To New York City
Clipse - When The Last Time
CNN - Invincible
Common - I Used To Love H.E.R.
Common - The Light
Cuban Link - Dame Un Beso
Cuban Link - Flowers For The Dead
Cuban Link - Hey Mama
Cypress Hill - Checkmate
Cypress Hill - Dr. Greenthumb
Cypress Hill - I Ain't Goin' Out Like That
Cypress Hill - Insane In The Brain
Cypress Hill - Rock Superstar
Cypress Hill - When The Shit Goes Down
D12 - Devil's Night
D12 - Rap Game
Dead Prez - Hip Hop
Dilated Peoples - Triple Optics
Dilated Peoples - Worst Comes To Worst
DMX - Damien
DMX - Slippin'
Dr. Dre - Bad Intentions
Dr. Dre - The Watcher
Dr. Dre - Forgot About Dre
Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E.
Dr. Dre - Gin And Juice
Dr. Dre - What's The Difference?
Eminem - 8 Mile
Eminem - Bad Guys Always Die
Eminem - Bad Influence
Eminem - Hailie's Song
Eminem - If I Get Locked Up Tonight
Eminem - Infinite
Eminem - Just Don't Give A Fuck
Eminem - Lose Yourself


Gradually editing, so I don't lose too much if the computer fucks up :)

jesus sucks
July 26th, 2004, 3:49 PM
at a glance u need "if i die 2nite" by 2pac and "let me ride" and "lyrical gangbang" by dr dre. and download a an unrealeased song by the d.o.c called bridgette if you havent already, infact. just by the entire doc album if you havent already. after 2pac, id say he was the best rapper of all time.

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 3:53 PM
Got those three tracks you suggested, never liked D.O.C. though, will check that song out.

Can't be arsed writing any more of the tracks right now, will do some other time :D

jesus sucks
July 26th, 2004, 4:19 PM
it's a crime that you love all that latino SHIT and think you don't like the d.o.c. :D

music will never see another album as unbelievably brillaint as "no one can do it better" by the d.o.c

QuietStorm
July 26th, 2004, 4:33 PM
D.O.C was awesome.

And having any Cam'ron on your list is a crime. :nono:

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 4:34 PM
Jay Z makes the track...and Just Blaze's beat is nice. You know Cam'ron isn't my thing ;)

jesus sucks
July 26th, 2004, 4:41 PM
for all the terrible, shitty latino rap on there you do have some gems i'll admit. made niggaz by 2pac, not many would have added that but its one of his best songs. that beat is just the sickest fucking piano loop ever. what up gangsta and lifes on the line are both heavy tunes... worts comes to worst and dmx slippin are classic tunes to have aswell.

i dont think you can have listened to the doc properly though tbh.

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 4:44 PM
LATINO RAP IS GREAT YOU FUCKER :grumpy:

Seriously, download Live At Jimmy's and tell me you aren't nodding your head like a retard with a broken neck.

jesus sucks
July 26th, 2004, 4:50 PM
it's shite. ive got capital punishment and a couple of fat joe albums, terrible terrible terrible gay is my verdict. i just dont like that latino stuff, they're all rubbish rappers and think they're black.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JN4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg :heart:

QuietStorm
July 26th, 2004, 4:53 PM
...............what about Peruvian rap?

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 5:01 PM
Don't worry, there's plenty IT on it :p

In fact I think only Biggie, 2pac, Eminem, Nas and maybe Pun have more tracks on the list than IT :D

QuietStorm
July 26th, 2004, 5:02 PM
Well I know YOU love IT, I was kinda talking to that Jesus Sucks guy.

jesus sucks
July 26th, 2004, 5:03 PM
immortal techiniques from peru? i havent heard any of his stuff yet, been listenin to other stuff over the last few months. less hardcore stuff. but if hes like latino rap i'll hate him.

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 5:04 PM
He's brilliant...download Dance With The Devil, it's just...not nice. Not nice at all. Yet brilliant at the same time.

jesus sucks
July 26th, 2004, 5:07 PM
but if its all that "booorrrriquuuaaa esse" latino bollox i'll hate it no matter how good the beats and lyrics are (thats assuming the beats and lyrics are good)

Simon
July 26th, 2004, 5:10 PM
Na it's not like that at all...the odd Spanish line, but it's all about the lyricism and the conspiracy theories...seriously, get that track I said, or if you want something les serious, Obnoxious is the shit

spanish announce table
July 27th, 2004, 12:26 AM
The Jedi Mind Tricks Legacy of Blood album will also be out on September 21st. The first single from the album, On The Eve Of War feat. GZA, will be released sometime in August. STOUPE BEATS.............!!!!!!!! PAZ VERSES...........

That "Create your own Vinne Paz verse" thread on C-C even has me thinking up parodies. Another sacrifical lamb, eaten at the hands of hologram, chopped in his noggin and then tossed him into a pan (Heavenly Divine)

Did anyone hear the new Benzino/Untouchables song? I think they use the same beat as IT did on 'Homeland & Hip-hop', but I cant really hear it properly.

QuietStorm
July 27th, 2004, 3:12 PM
Man, there is a nice thread on C-C about the funniest moments of CTHS. I thought I had everything on that album down to a science but this one completely flew right over my head.....

On the promo with Pakman over the Bad Boy 4 Life beat, where the chorus goes: "The album drops October 23rd. I guarantee that the album drops October 23rd, October 23rd."

And then the album got pushed back and didn't release until November. Pretty genius mockery if you think about it.

spanish announce table
July 28th, 2004, 10:26 AM
I dont even think Bis knew when this album would come out. This from 'Boxcutter'...

"They encrypt fibre optic beams on my album out next spring"
"Halloween, True Hollywood Stories release date"

Is the 'DC2: Bars of Death' worth getting? I like Esoteric's style, but I haven't heard a lot from him.

jesus sucks
July 29th, 2004, 10:10 AM
does anyone know what the sample is to jadakiss' " we gon' make it" ??

its an absolute moster of a sample to be fair and would like the vinyl of whatever its off if i can find it.

CollegeGraduate
July 29th, 2004, 7:11 PM
Im thinking about getting Jadakiss's Kiss of Death, What do you guys think?

Worth it?

QuietStorm
July 29th, 2004, 9:00 PM
The guy who produced Shoot Outs (Elite) is a very cool guy. Talked to him on AIM back in the day.

As for the album, meh. I don't like it as a whole. Way too many weak tracks. I think Simon is fond of it though.

jesus sucks
July 29th, 2004, 9:15 PM
i bought it after simon reccomened it, its ok like. nothing special though, the beats on about 5 of the songs are terrible. some nice lyrics and some very shitty lyrics too... just like his first album. but track 16 welcome to d-block is a tune :yes:

Simon
July 30th, 2004, 2:20 AM
Man, you should never go on my recommendations, I make snap judgements on stuff and then usually have the exact opposite opinion within a couple of days. I loved the album on first listen, but tired of it after a week or so.

QuietStorm
July 30th, 2004, 12:56 PM
I tend to do the same thing.

QuietStorm
July 30th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Cormega has confirmed that him and Canibus are going to collaborate on something, so look for that next year. Probably on Cormega's album but who knows.

Simon
July 31st, 2004, 3:37 AM
Anyone hear about the Mobb Deep gig over here? :rofl: the Mobb fear UKers

jesus sucks
July 31st, 2004, 6:38 AM
why?


i wanted to go to that but.... couldnt be arsed :dunno:

Simon
July 31st, 2004, 6:50 AM
There was trouble outside the venue, which ended up with Klashnekoff fucking off home because the security were denying him entry because of the fighting etc. Anyway, this bad blood continued inside, with rucks kicking off all over the place during the support acts. Mobb Deep came on an hour late which pissed the crowd off even more, and eventually when they came on, the stage got rushed and loads of people tried to jack Prodigy and Havoc's chains, diamonds etc...the two of them shit themselves and ended the set after half an hour, and apparently fucked off to the airport instantly, vowing never to return :D

Proving beyond doubt that even pussy Croydon is harder than even the toughest New York projects :D

jesus sucks
July 31st, 2004, 7:00 AM
thats pretty embarrassing. londons full of wankers like that though.

westwood and sean paul rolled through here to the grimeyest fucking shithole club ever up here in liverpool called kirklands about 2 years ago when sean paul first got famous and there was no trouble.

Raw Is Jonathan
August 1st, 2004, 1:03 PM
You COCKney twats are blatant pussies though who think you're hard, when you know you're not!

PFFT!

Anything decent coming out in the next few weeks?

Still undecided about picking up Goodie Mob and/or Devin The Dude...

Raw Is Jonathan
August 1st, 2004, 4:41 PM
Nothing THAT obscure here. But if you haven't heard any of these, they are all quality. :yes:


Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Cunninlynguists - Southerunderground
C-Rayz Walz - Ravipops
J-Live - All of the Above
Last Emperor - Music Magic Myth
Murs - The End of the Beginning
The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Tech N9ne - Anghellic

Still need to get around to purchasing some of these...

Must look into some Jedi Mind Tricks while I'm at it too...

Yeah, definitely get some of these c.d's this week.

QuietStorm
August 3rd, 2004, 6:05 PM
That Outerspace Blood & Ashes album has some of the nicest production I have heard in quite a while. Amazing that Stoupe didn't do any of it. The lyrics are :blah: for the most part but it is quality just based on the beats.

Cross Out The Eyes
August 3rd, 2004, 11:36 PM
i bought it after simon reccomened it, its ok like. nothing special though, the beats on about 5 of the songs are terrible. some nice lyrics and some very shitty lyrics too... just like his first album. but track 16 welcome to d-block is a tune :yes:

wow, you know nothing about hip-hop

kiss of death is great, and welcome to d-block is one of the worst songs on the album.. eminem can't produce for shit

Cross Out The Eyes
August 3rd, 2004, 11:39 PM
Also, I have praised the hell out of the Talib Kweli Beautiful Mixtape and the web rip of his Beautiful Struggle album so I also have you there.

Haha. There's no webrip of Beautiful Struggle. It's an advance copy that was stolen from his studio.

Cross Out The Eyes
August 3rd, 2004, 11:40 PM
HBK.. stop acting like you know everything. You don't :)

QuietStorm
August 4th, 2004, 12:04 AM
Then explain how the advance copy made its way to the internet. It was ripped. No shit it was stolen. The quality is horrible. Quit being a douche.

As for the Outerspace album, it is probably my second favorite album to come out this year. Planetary is a very quality MC and I have liked him ever since he appeared on Violent by Design. So I guess when I said the lyrics were blah before I kind of understated it. It is just that the production outshines everything on there and I am not as big a fan of Warchild.

Simon
August 4th, 2004, 2:20 AM
HBK.. stop acting like you know everything. You don't :)Explain. And yeah, The Beautiful Struggle IS on the net...I don't get your point, you say it isn't, then you say that an advance copy is. It might not be the exact same album, but it won't change much from that.

THE jANK
August 4th, 2004, 11:56 AM
*posts to give thread 1000000 times more credibility*

jesus sucks
August 4th, 2004, 1:03 PM
wow, you know nothing about hip-hop

kiss of death is great, and welcome to d-block is one of the worst songs on the album.. eminem can't produce for shit

be quiet, you fucking cocksucker.

opinion. kiss of death is hardly a classic, come on.

Seanny One Ball
August 4th, 2004, 1:23 PM
Now more than ever opinion/fact are two different things!

[/shane'o]

CollegeGraduate
August 4th, 2004, 5:36 PM
wow, you know nothing about hip-hop

kiss of death is great, and welcome to d-block is one of the worst songs on the album.. eminem can't produce for shit

Um no..



Kiss of death is far from great. It is subpar at best. 7 of the 18 songs are either decent or good and the remainder are garbage. His album has so many filler tracks that It pisses me off. When will an artist realize that the listener would rather have 10 quality tracks instead of 18 subpar? Quality>Quanity.



P.S Welcome to D-block is a hot song, and yes, we know Eminem can't produce for shit he has proved that already.

jesus sucks
August 4th, 2004, 6:58 PM
id say only about half of his beats are shit, mainly the stuff he churns out for D12. but then they are mainly terrible rappers and deserve a nice good, shitty beat to rap over!

the eminem show had some hot beats i thought, superman was an instant classic. the stuff on 50 cents album that he produced and the stuff he mixed was quality, and that beat he did on gods son was good too. renegades was a classic a few years back too. i'd say for every bad beat he does he does a good one, he aint that bad. that last gangstarr album was fucking awful and had about 4 listenable tracks, and premos still considered the best producer in the game :dunno:

Mr. Boombastic
August 4th, 2004, 10:20 PM
As much as I love to hate Emimem, cut the guy some slack. Sure he isnt the best producer, he isnt supposed to be a good producer he is just a rapper turned producer. He has produced some decent beats so give him credit for the good production that he has done. Its not like he is quitting rapping to be a full time producer, he's just working on it on the side to someday be a good producer.

Simon
August 5th, 2004, 2:22 AM
As much as I love to hate Emimem, cut the guy some slack. Sure he isnt the best producer, he isnt supposed to be a good producer he is just a rapper turned producer. He has produced some decent beats so give him credit for the good production that he has done. Its not like he is quitting rapping to be a full time producer, he's just working on it on the side to someday be a good producer.When you're producing beats for some of the best in the game (Nas, Jay Z, himself), then yes you ARE expected to be a good producer. He's produced a few nice beats, but mostly shite. Half his beats sound exactly the same, and they ALL follow a generic pattern.

Also, he's said that he WILL quit rapping to be a full time producer, in fact it's surprising that he's still rapping at all, he said he wanted out when he hit thirty.

jesus sucks
August 5th, 2004, 2:21 PM
i think hes got one more good album left in him, as long as he leaves out any mention of kim and hayley, cuts down on mentioning his mum and lets dre do most of the album then id still look forward to another eminem disc.

Mr. Boombastic
August 5th, 2004, 3:52 PM
As far as I know he only produced one beat for Nas(so far) which was The Cross of off God's Son, and Renegade is the only Jay-Z track I can think of and both of those were pretty decent beats. I do agree that alot of his beats sound suspiciously similar. \

Either way, Nas could flow over a beat I made and it would still be a hot song, so who cares, let him produce. If you dont like it, dont buy it, then maybe he wont produce anymore.

Also, I was just wondering, does anybody review albums in this thread anymore?

Mr. Sinister
August 5th, 2004, 4:34 PM
I think he also produced Jay Z's Moment of Clarity. But who cares.


So is there ANY news on Em's next album?

QuietStorm
August 5th, 2004, 6:43 PM
Also, I was just wondering, does anybody review albums in this thread anymore?I just let people know whether an album is worth checking out. They are on their own after that.

CollegeGraduate
August 5th, 2004, 8:01 PM
I think he also produced Jay Z's Moment of Clarity. But who cares.


So is there ANY news on Em's next album?


Em's New album expected in end of 2004, or early 2005.


The guy could produce a shit album and it will still be considered great. He has become a Pop icon. I am hoping however that Em steps it up for this album and produces a classic. By the way, which Em album do you guys think was his best? I think THE MM LP was his best work. It was just solid from begining to end and the hits, incredible. Stan and The Way I Am are 2 of the best songs period.

CollegeGraduate
August 5th, 2004, 8:02 PM
Anyone looking forward to Shyne's new album? Has it been leaked yet?

Mr. Sinister
August 5th, 2004, 8:57 PM
Don't double post.


On topic, I do agree that the Marshal Mathers LP was his best cd. A track on there I've been listening to a lot recently has been "Remember Me".

QuietStorm
August 5th, 2004, 9:05 PM
SSLP was his only top quality album. At least the only one I can listen to.

CollegeGraduate
August 5th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Whats wrong with MMLP?

QuietStorm
August 6th, 2004, 2:24 AM
He tried to market himself on a style that was played out. And the lyrics were trash basically. Some decent production on there, but that didn't cover the flaws.

Cage > Eminem

Simon
August 6th, 2004, 2:39 AM
SSLP is his best album by miles IMO...basically every track is top quality. The difference between that and his other two albums is basically explained in the titles of them...The Slim Shady LP is his alter ego, where he produces his best lyrics - no self-important bullshit telling you about how hard it is being rich and famous, just brilliant, disgusting, hilarious hip-hop...MMLP was more of the same (Criminal, Kill You, I'm Back, Remember Me), but had more stuff about his life (The Way I Am, Marshall Mathers, The Real Slim Shady) that was good, but got boring after a while. The Eminem Show was basically all about ihs life, and the only Slim Shady moments on the CD are on Without Me, which was shit anyway.

SSLP is his best. I don't think he has it in him to come out with anything as good as that again.

Cage sucks :)

CollegeGraduate
August 7th, 2004, 12:55 AM
Whose cage?



And... The Shyne Album? Has anyone heard it? Im looking at you QuietStorm, you seem to have the hook up first on all the hip hop info.

QuietStorm
August 7th, 2004, 1:52 AM
Cage is horrorcore and has a better sense of humor than Eminem.

Haven't heard the Shyne album and I don't really plan to. Not all that big of a fan of rapping through a phone. But I heard secondhand that the More or Less beat is hot.

Fro
August 7th, 2004, 2:27 PM
I don't think his album was recorded over the phone... unless I'm mistaken, it's mostly all stuff he recorded before he was sentenced.

KeyloBrown
August 7th, 2004, 3:28 PM
Quick question...

Devin the Dude's new album any good??

CollegeGraduate
August 8th, 2004, 6:27 PM
I don't think his album was recorded over the phone... unless I'm mistaken, it's mostly all stuff he recorded before he was sentenced.

Yeah.


I watched an interview with Shyne on Mtv2 where he talked about everything including his problem with 50 cent and how he feels about diddy.

Pretty interesting. HE was however trying way to hard to come off as peaceful and like he had no anger towards anyone. He sort of reminded me of 2pac with his glasses and his demeanor. Anyhow he mentioned that his album was not recorded in prison. So, I am guessing its not through the phone.

Mr. Sinister
August 8th, 2004, 9:14 PM
I've been reading and hearing a lot of good things about the Wu Tang Clan and was wondering whether or not I should buy one of their albums. If so which ones would you all recommend?

Simon
August 9th, 2004, 2:25 AM
Enter The Wu-Tang - 36 Chambers and Forever

Mr. Boombastic
August 9th, 2004, 4:07 PM
Wu Tang clan aint nuttin to fuck wit

Any of the Wu albums are pretty sweet. Enter the Wu 36 Chambers is the best though.

CollegeGraduate
August 9th, 2004, 4:45 PM
Wutang is pretty good. I feel they are overrated though.


Like already mentioned, pickup 36 chambers&Forever

jesus sucks
August 9th, 2004, 6:12 PM
36 chambers is quite unbelievably brilliant.

and dont listen to what reviewers say wu tang forever is a great album aswell, the W is one of the most underrated albums ive ever heard too id reccomend all three of them, just go out and buy them all the same day.

QuietStorm
August 10th, 2004, 2:57 PM
Yeah, I was wrong. That Shyne album is sick. Love his voice and flow. The dude is raw. I think it is better than his first album.

CollegeGraduate
August 10th, 2004, 3:47 PM
Yeah, I was wrong. That Shyne album is sick. Love his voice and flow. The dude is raw. I think it is better than his first album.


Atleast ur man enough to admit u were wrong.


Where did you get the shyne album from i have been trying unsuccesfully for days?



I loved his 1st album so if this is better, cant wait to hear it.

Simon
August 10th, 2004, 4:06 PM
I've just got the pre-release of Dizzee Rascal's new album...it's shite. His first album was great, all fucked-up beat, crazed yelpy voice and generally just different, great stuff...this new one, the unger in his voice has gone, he just sounds like your everyday British rapper...with poor-quality grime beats. The garage track (and new single) Stand Up Tall is kinda funky, even if the beat's a bit Mario Kart-ish...aside from that, only the real hip-hop tracks like Learn, Flyin' and Fickle are any good.

Gay. Dizzee was great at first.

QuietStorm
August 10th, 2004, 5:37 PM
Atleast ur man enough to admit u were wrong.


Where did you get the shyne album from i have been trying unsuccesfully for days?



I loved his 1st album so if this is better, cant wait to hear it.
I got it off Soulseek. It is all over IRC too if you want to listen to it before you buy it. Cuz you gotta provide for an imprisoned rapper you know? ;)

Haha, yeah right. Burn > Buy.

CollegeGraduate
August 10th, 2004, 10:30 PM
I got it off Soulseek. It is all over IRC too if you want to listen to it before you buy it. Cuz you gotta provide for an imprisoned rapper you know? ;)

Haha, yeah right. Burn > Buy.

haha, Ya..
You know, you're not as gay as I first thought you were.



Soulseek here I come..

QuietStorm
August 11th, 2004, 2:24 AM
haha, Ya..
You know, you're not as gay as I first thought you were.



Soulseek here I come.. Um thanks. It isn't quite as great as I thought it was upon the first listen. Doesn't have a whole lot of replay value but I just love how you can sense he is a pissed off dude.

And the AZ album is awful. He is one of my favorite rappers ever but this crap doesn't even come close to Doe or Die, 9 Lives, or Aziatic. It isn't even nearly as good as Pieces of a Man, which he apologized for. It better not be his last album.

Oh, and the Mobb Deep is trash too. Infamy was far better and that is a pathetic thing to say. Stay far away.

Seanny One Ball
August 11th, 2004, 5:23 AM
Damnit, I just ordered the new Mobb Deep too...

I was taken in by the hook on Got it Twisted :$

QuietStorm
August 12th, 2004, 2:41 PM
Anyone ever give Masta Ace a listen when I recommended him a while back? If not then get Disposable Arts and his new one A Long Hot Summer immediately.

Shut Up, Mooney!
August 13th, 2004, 8:35 AM
Eminem should be given the oppurtunity to do 4-5 tracks on his album... let Dre do some and get somebody else to do a couple- that's it. He should by no means produce most of his shit. That graveyard music gets quite damn boring afta while.

And that d12 album fukkin' sucks....

Raw Is Jonathan
August 13th, 2004, 6:09 PM
Anyone ever give Masta Ace a listen when I recommended him a while back? If not then get Disposable Arts and his new one A Long Hot Summer immediately.

Is there an album?

QuietStorm
August 13th, 2004, 6:37 PM
Disposable Arts came out in 2001 and A Long Hot Summer was released on Tuesday and is one of the top three hip hop albums of the year imo.

MysteriousMan87
August 14th, 2004, 3:29 AM
Rap isn't music...the end

Shut Up, Mooney!
August 14th, 2004, 5:44 AM
^^^ you obviously don't listen to it, thus you have no voice in the matter... now end that.

QuietStorm
August 14th, 2004, 8:07 AM
http://www.babygrande.com/images/news/ni1092333613061.jpg

That is the cover for the single that is out now. Babygrande is releasing her album This Week on September 7th.

MysteriousMan87
August 15th, 2004, 2:02 AM
Rap Is Snap With Crap

Simon
August 15th, 2004, 6:45 AM
Rap Is Snap With CrapAnother post like this, and you're banned. Big hugs

QuietStorm
August 16th, 2004, 3:50 AM
Source: allhiphop.com

Royce Da 5’9 is preparing to release a new album, M.I.C. The 16-track album is Royce’s third release. The album is a collaborative effort between Royce and upcoming producer Nottz. The album is being released through Sure Shot Recordings and hits stores on Oct. 26.

CollegeGraduate
August 16th, 2004, 7:55 PM
Sweet.

I love Royce.

Death is Certain was, pretty good. I expected better however. He needs to get over this whole EMINEM dissed me and did me wrong attitude though.

spanish announce table
August 17th, 2004, 10:38 AM
I just got Ras Kass' "Soul on Ice" yesterday. I have to give it a few more listens, but so far this shit is awesome.

I also heard some Outerspace stuff. "Conspiracy Theory" is pretty good. "Angles of Death" is friggin' awesome. "Blades of Glory" is dope too, but my only problem with it is that MOP used that same sample on "Warriorz".

Simon
August 17th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Soul On Ice is the example given in the dictionary next to 'slept on'...that album is ridiculously brilliant.

Angels Of Death, yeah, that's probably the best track I've heard all year.

QuietStorm
August 17th, 2004, 11:58 AM
Haha, nah I think it is Van Gogh that is slept on. Considering the album never had a proper release. Fucking Priority.

As for the Royce album, it is actually not the Nottz collaboration album. He does produce at least two songs on this one though. The Royce/Nottz album will come out in 2005.

Tentative tracklist....


1. Intro
2. Nickel (produced by Nottz)
3. Jump (produced by Nottz)
4. Buzz
5. Stand Up f/Tre Lil, Cutty Mack & Billy Nix
6. Gone In 30 Seconds f/Tre Lil & T-Dot
7. On The Road
8. Switch f/Cutty Mack, Young Rell & June
9. Hit You (Street Games)
10. 52 Bars
11. Basic Rap
12. F*ck A Hook
13. Dope f/Juan
14. No Talent Rappers f/Juan & Cutty Mack
15. Back In The Days
16. Brothers Keeper f/Kid Vicious (produced by Reef)

spanish announce table
August 17th, 2004, 12:05 PM
I think I've heard '52 Bars' before. It was posted on hiphopgame a few months ago. Royce is awesome.

Does anybody know what Jus Allah's doing these days? I've heard 'Chess King', and an untitled track from the Violent By Design re-release, but thats it. He was the superior MC in JMT, so I was just wondering if he had any new stuff out.

QuietStorm
August 17th, 2004, 12:11 PM
He'll be releasing an album with Omnipotent Records sometime. By the end of this year or sometime next I do not know. Try and get Severed & Split as well, it is off the same Omnipotent mixtape as Chess King.

*plays Reign of the Lord*

Darkoke
August 20th, 2004, 5:04 PM
What like is the 213 album? Good? Bad? Indifferent?

QuietStorm
August 20th, 2004, 9:37 PM
It did fairly bad on rapreviews.com. :dunno:

Raw Is Jonathan
August 21st, 2004, 9:05 AM
Yep, rapreviews put me off it immediately...

QuietStorm
August 22nd, 2004, 8:04 PM
A couple things of note....

Canibus was on the Wake Up Show last night. It was kind of a disappointment in the lack of information he gave but said he was still in the studio with Nottz and he is going to let everyone know he can still make music that people can nod their head to. He also dropped a few short verses, nothing special but enough to show he still has the hunger. The "Bis Eastwood" line was :eek: though. I have the interview in full, so if you want to hear for yourself just IM me if you see me around. I'm at work right now though so no soup for you.

Also, the new JMT single "Before the Great Collapse" is going to be released on Babygrande.com on Wednesday night. Rumor has it that it is a very deep and emotional track like "I Who Have Nothing". Whether Vinnie Paz can still pull that off is to be seen. The only positive is that Stoupe's production will be mind-blowing. And also, the B-side of the single is "On the Eve of War" ft. Gza. The Legacy of Blood album will be out a month after that. The one thing I find amusing is how fucking dramatic JMT is with their titles. It is hip hop, not a life or death crisis.

Also, everyone download "Hip Hop Worth Dying For" by Main Flow and featuring Talib Kweli. Definitely the song of the month.

Laters. :heart:

Edit: Forgot one major thing. Wordsworth's first album, Mirror Music, is out on September 14th. From what I have heard it is great. About time for such a great emcee and freestyle legend to get a full-length album out. Now, hopefully he doesn't bomb like say, Canibus, and he actually knows how to create a song.

QuietStorm
August 25th, 2004, 10:33 PM
Go to Babygrande.com to get Before the Great Collapse and two mixes of The Eve of War ft. Gza. Stoupe's production is top-notch as always and Vinnie does well, at least on The Eve of War. The Meldrick Taylor mix is awesome.

QuietStorm
August 26th, 2004, 3:02 PM
Well, Canibus just came back with a vengeance. Damn. :eek:

Inter Minan
August 26th, 2004, 3:59 PM
why what'd he do?

213 album is pretty good is you like the G-funk sound. Very laid back with some nice tracks. I like it.

QuietStorm
August 26th, 2004, 6:45 PM
Four days after his huge appearance on the Wake Up Show he is on the new Kay Slay mixtape with Shaquille O'Neal over the Victory beat. And he kills it in his old style. 4 bars to say he his back after 2 years in the army, then Shaq comes on and does his worst Biggie impression, then Bis comes back and spits almost 2 minutes of lyrical aggression.

"I'm so high in the clouds I have to aim down/ Lyrically I'm 6'1 from the waist down"

Gertner
August 27th, 2004, 2:27 PM
I enjoyed the 213 album, but that's because I'm into that style. It's not for everybody.

Mr. Boombastic
August 28th, 2004, 7:09 PM
213 put out a pretty enjoyable cd in my opinion, its the best cd by any of those guys out since Doggystyle and Regulate G funk Era. Its not exactly what I was expecting but it stilll pretty fun album. A real mellow g-funk sound for alot of the tracks. The first half of the cd I think is a little slow but the second half of the cd has many good tracks and flows pretty well. Overall a pretty good cd.

QuietStorm
August 29th, 2004, 1:25 AM
Canibus was text battling a couple people on CanibusWorld in the days before his appearance on the Wakeup Show. He even uses a few of the same lines in his Wakeup Show freestyle. Check this out.....


You ain't no soldier//
you ain't down wit' Noah/
getchya' flow up//
you"ll get drowned b4 the takeover/
I'll throw you in the ocean butt-nakid & soaped up//
How can U be more immortal than me when I'm older?
Why I oughta'//
slaughter yo' ass like 1st born chinese daughters//
you juss a sausage head nigga gettin' caught up//
Lemmie see if CW is up to SPECS//
Chop headz off NECKS//
the plasma trickles down they CHEST//
IMMORTAL is trynna' execute a plan he never THOUGHT THRU/
I'll execute his ass in the COURTROOM/
I'll leave dat nigga bent like he sweepin' wit SHORT BROOMS/
He tried to IM me b4 da' battle but i ain't wanna' TALK TO'EM/
I'm under the INFLUENCE/banging Bis's MUSIC in a BONNEVILLE BUICK/
I see ya' face I'ma crash INTO IT/
Lyrically I kick ASS/
If you don't wanna' know DON'T ASK/
I might do it Pro Bono 4 NO CASH/
Da 2 HANDED CHOKE from the HULK/
turn ya' brain & SKULL to SAND & SALT/
Sprinkle you cross the FLOOR/
I didn't wanna' battle this bitch, but I HAD 2/
cause that's what my master would do if he was ASKED 2/
The perfect music MACHINE/mechanical BEING/
the most lyrical digital STREAMS the world has ever SEEN/
I DID,
I DO,
I DOES,
I AM,
I WILL BE,
I WAS the same nigga you LUV/
But slugs rain from the SKY/
it's like the Angels want me to DIE/
they push me harder cause they WANT ME 2 TRY/
A pit bull off da' LEASH/ Barkin' SPEECH/
Like a Bull in a pit liftin' you OFF YA' FEET/
I feel like the world is mine I could PARK IN THE STREET/
Kick the worlds illest rhyme police OFFICERS WEEP/
People layin' on the CONCRETE EXHAUSTED FROM HEAT/
watchin John Kerry spit over some Michael MOORE BEATS/
I was the google guru b4 I even KNEW U/
My whiskey xrays make yankies become ZULUZ/
Every man in here is driven by desire & FEAR/
which means part of you is greedy and part of you is SCARED/
When both parts of you see me you kneel & kiss the RING/
The look on ya' face'll tell me if you feel a different THING/
You a faggit in a oversized SHIRT/
the shit look like a SKIRT/
How many miles has your engine SEARCHED/
I'm the General w/ big GENITALS/
& you facin' the INEVITABLE/ my words STRENGTHEN THE TROOPS/
I'm known 4 wut I am but WHAT DA' FUCK IS THAT?
I gotta' betta' question 4 you "WHAT DA' FUCK IS RAP?"
search the threadz AMONG U/
draw energy FROM YOU/
the art of SUN SZU/
He used to Bus 2/
I'm like a shaolin MONK ON CRUNK/
Holdin' himself up wit' his THUMB ON A STUMP/
getta' a hummer for the SUMMER TO STUNT/
I'm a sit in the front/
while my lungs become ONE WIT' A BLUNT/
fuk what you heard, this nigga immortal ain't SHIT SON/

Tell'em 2 get off the boards for I beat his ass WIT' 1/


----------------------------------------------

If Rip The Jacker's too thug for you, call me uncle "W",
I'll rip every one of you, just for sumthin to do,
You Liars, I'll throw you in a cold fire bone dryer,
proir to beating you with a tire to paralyze ya' muscle fibers,
the planets sickest scientific rhymer,
I financed Dr. Oppenhiemer's structural designers,
as the chief executive advisor,
I think it's important to point out as a reminder nobody's tighter,

The Rhymes are reinforced with beryllium carbide,
with rod irons that run parallel along the inside,
the intestines of the undefeated beast,
ya' brain is either strenghtened - weakened - awakened or put to sleep,
I'll describe what it's like to rock mics,
give you exclusive recording advice for a special low price,
for niggaz that can't get they flow right, I'll still flow with'em,
I've mastered ceremonial chauvenism, The UNSAID can't resist writin' Britannicas
leavin' notepads damp wit ink
for thinkers and moderm man to print,
I refuse to answer them, I only answer the sphinx,
since when do you care what canibus thinks,
I'm just the nicest rapper to ever exist,
Balance freestyles with writtens and ain't scared to scrap with the fists,
tenacious with the grip,
accurate with the spit,
spectroanalysis of my saliva baffles NASA lab techs,
I'm lyrically sick,
I spit so hard I deposit zinc in the faucet water I drink,

My thoughts cross,
collide and combine
inside of my mind,
I write lines that are timeless in time,





Dear Boss,

I keep on hearing that they have caught me but they wont fix me just yet. It makes me laugh when they try to look so clever and talk about being on the right track. That joke about me not being the illest gave me real fits. I am stalking these MC's and I shant quit ripping them till I do get buckled. Grand work the last job was. I gave that monkeyface no time to squeal. How can they catch me now. I love my work and want to start again. You will soon hear of me with my torturous little games. I saved some of the proper red stuff in a Guiness beer bottle over the last job to write with but it coagulated and I can't use it. I will take every opportunity to convey my originality. The next job I do I shall surgically remove an MC's voicebox and send it to his record label just for kicks. Keep this statement confidential till I do a bit more work, then give it out straight. My rhymes are so nice and sharp I want to get to work right away. Catch me if you can, but don't sweat me if you can't.

Yours truly
UNSAID

QuietStorm
August 29th, 2004, 2:16 AM
While I am at it. May 1st, 2004 freestyle from Immortal Technique in Portland......


You're blind to the fact, cause you're a coward and a dreamer
A pussy like Nazi's hiding in Argentina
Pop shit, I'll catch you quicker than a misdemeanor
And put you in a fucking box next to Selena
Cause I'm the meanest motherfucker you could ever imagine
Incarcerate the universe inside a single atom
But since the populous kids fathom space an stars
I spit razor blades that cover your face with scars
Killing you on the spot like you saw the face of God
Empty the clip in you and load up 16 for your squad
Dying is easy but living with Satan's going to be hard
I spit revolutionary bars that'll touch ya
(?) ecstatics that murder you like the King of Russia
And on your tomb-stone chizzle; fake motherfucker
Cocksucker, I blade you cause I'm the god
But I won't send my son to save you
I gave you the pieces to reconstuct the world of the past
But all you can do is redicule the future and laugh
So Imma split you in half, machine gun to ya belly
and then I'll piss all over your sister like R. Kelly
I got more connections than illegal selling microchips
To hunt you down after I've destroyed the mic when I spit
Immortal Technique bitch I'm a real lyracist
Although people just use Jay-Z as their ventriloquist


I'm Peruvian and Black. And although I a identified with being Peruvian more which I have no issue with...I am proud of both bloods, and I don't have that racist issue that prevents me from building outside of my "race". I am open to working with anyone who I see on some real RBG shit. I don't really get along with the fake "conscious MC" circuit, I am a warlord and believe in affecting change not just poppin shit. I hate fake crab I think I'm a murder ******...Cuz you ain't killed nobody..You dont even know what dead body smellls like, pussy, you never seen the brain fluid come out of someones head...Keep it real *****.

I battled in jail and on the street before I ever touched a stage to battle...And I rock shows in mad places, I'm definitely not the first artist to promote himself on-line and the majority of my 29,000 sold come from shows and street team work..I only sold about 3,000 on-line. So anyone who thinks I came up on-line is a fuckin' idiot. Yeah I do lots of interviews but most of them are on magazines, it's just easier to find the ones on-line...They are categorized...and on google and here.

I turned down 9 major label deals, to do this, because they wanted to make me into some sort of joke, some pop nonsense and make rhymes about nothing. They wanted to exploit my jail visit and create some scarface bullshit. The media though recently slandered me in the daily news which is cool I expect that from them...But I got lots of real ****** in the street that know me. ANd then on the radio they said I had beef with 50. Ahahaa, fuckin' idiots.

I'm a Harlem bred cat that don't have time for much but I figured I would come straighten you out. No disrespect I'm just being a man. I'm not taking questions and I am going back to the lab now.

"The Middle Passage" LP coming soon.

Peace *****.

Immortal
Technique

Ps. I live in the hood, and I could shit on your average corporate, political and collegiate republican, That's why people around my way like what I do. I just have one flaw, a low tolerance for bullshit. And that's all this industry is...Bullshit. But I am fixing that by not giving a fuck about what anyone says and just doing me. I argue with kids on websites and got a team to promote the album but I don't argue in person, I'll just knock you the fuck out. And I don't hate white people I don't hate anyone, I love MY people it's just that simple.

QuietStorm
August 29th, 2004, 8:23 PM
Everyone's transmission cut off before Chino XL did his freestyle on the Wakeup Show last night so nobody has it recorded. :(

And Chino really sounds like he is turning into a mainstream bitch. Just release your albums you damn slacker. Maybe he was just playing to Sway though, the MTV clown prince.


P.S - After reading that little IT thing again, I really think he is turning into a psychotic blabbermouthed idiot. But I'll still buy his records.

QuietStorm
August 30th, 2004, 10:09 AM
http://www.koolpages.com/seriouz000/Chino%20XL%20-%20Messiah.mp3

New Chino XL single. Even sicker than Wordsmith. Definitely my most anticipated album this year.

Eminem album coming out November 16th.

spanish announce table
August 30th, 2004, 11:24 AM
That's pretty cool that Bis actually battled some guys on his site. Both verses are dope, but the second verse is just awesome. Did he win the battles? How did they know it was him?

:yes: to the Victory track. Shaq is terrible.

Just downloaded Revolutionary Vol. 1, and it's very good. I think vol. 2 is better though. "Top of the Food Chain" is nuts.

QuietStorm
August 30th, 2004, 3:37 PM
Bis was staying in touch with the mods on CW, he still has beef with C-C because of all the haters. Jeymes Samuel posts on C-C under the kisskiss name because he wanted people to think he was just a girl who was close to him and not the real thing. He is a real cool guy to talk to but I haven't seen him online for a while. I first talked to him when I gave him the Bis/DMX/Noreaga freestyle session. And he also sent out the 20 autographed vinyls of WWTS which was totally out of his way. Rumor has it that it was Bis who wrote "Thanks for the support" in the corner but I don't know that for sure. And yes, Bis won the battles. Granted, only one was legit. The guy in the second got scared and didn't show up. And this was before people heard him on the Wakeup Show spit some of those lines so nobody knew it was him then except a few select people. I just wish he would end his beef with C-C. Punisher needs to talk to him or something.

Victory track is cool. His voice in that is out of pure spite for LL/Eminem, YET a lot of what he says is directed at his fans. Yes, Shaq is terrible, but the combination of him and Kay Slay gives him great exposure. Kay Slay played another new track by Bis the other day but no one recorded it. The Drama King has always loved Bis so this is no big surprise. I think he should just sign to his label like the rumors have been talking about.

QuietStorm
September 1st, 2004, 12:42 AM
Kay Slay is going crazy with these new Canibus exclusives. There are at least three in addition to the Victory freestyle. One features Papoose, another Young One. And I think there might be a solo Bis track as well. Nobody has recorded it and I can't find a place to listen online so I haven't heard them yet. I think I'll stick around boxden.com for the next couple of hours. Heh.

QuietStorm
September 1st, 2004, 12:47 AM
Also, Beef 2 came out today. Among the quality beefs discussed are Canibus/LL, DMX/K-Solo, and Ice Cube/Cypress Hill.

Meh, I meant to edit this part into the other post. Sorry.

Gertner
September 1st, 2004, 9:48 AM
Picked up the Ma$e "Welcome back" cd

Big change from the rap I normally listen to (no swearing)

I love Ma$e's voice though, and the album comes off really well, and I enjoyed it.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 2nd, 2004, 7:50 AM
Finally got around to ordering some new cds:

Last Emperor - Music, Magic, Myth
Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly

Gone for something a little different, see what its saying!

Anyone picked anything up recently that is must have?

Do tell...

QuietStorm
September 2nd, 2004, 2:46 PM
You'll love that Sluggo. :yes:

Try and get a hold of Wordsworth's "Mirror Music".

Raw Is Jonathan
September 2nd, 2004, 2:53 PM
I think I will just love it too!

Wordsworths "Mirror Music" he says!

Will look into it...

doyoulikepie
September 3rd, 2004, 7:37 PM
really feeling tech n9ne lately. Anghelic is pretty cool, some real good tracks on there.

psycho bitch
who you came to see
tormented
eistein tech nine

absolute power isnt bad, preferred anghelic though.

anyone know if he has any more albums other than these two.

ive not seen anyone mention big syke in this forum. cant remember what its called but its a real good album. so great songs to drive to on that album.

question, what are you favourite hip hop songs to drive to, mine would be:

Rule - Nas
hate me know? - Nas
Tormented - Tech N9ne
first in flight - blackalicious

theres alot more, pretty much any song from East 1999 Eternal by BTNH. Big bone thugs n harmony fan, havent read much love for these guys on the board.. so what are yours.

by the way, im not new to the forums, ive been visiting this place for a couple of years now, never really posted anything though, just have a browse when im bored.

Quietstorm, your over the top love for canibus got me to try some of his albums, got both my name is nobody and rip the jacker, both pretty decent albums.

QuietStorm
September 3rd, 2004, 8:03 PM
Yeah, I have plenty of love for Tech N9ne. And I agree that Anghellic is a much cooler album than Absolute Power. He has been "working" on his new album for quite sometime and it was initially supposed to be out this summer but now, like Chino XL, there is no official release date. I know Eminem is on that bad boy though.

Favorite riding songs that aren't metal? Hmmmm. 2000 B.C is my Canibus riding album, almost everything on there is car-worthy. Heavyweight by Tonedeff. Almost anything by Tonedeff really. Point of No Return by Immortal Technique. Chino XL is in the car a lot too, there are about 8 tracks that I bump off I Told You So. And speaking of Bone, my senior year of high school I had Bizzy Bone's The Gift in my car at least half the time. Badass album.

Did you just download the Canibus albums? Because My Name is Nobody was just a mixtape and hard to get unless you order off micclub.net and they are the shadiest place to order from EVER. Canibus has actually asked people who never received their orders and were charged to email him personally so he could get it straightened out.

Good job on getting that stuff though. I am proud of you. If you are looking for something else, try and get 2000 B.C. He also has a new freestyle over the Guerilla Monsoon Rap beat with Papoose that he blazes. Papoose is great too, til the end where he gets all cheesy and lame trying to rap fast. It is sickening. Combine that with the Victory Freestyle/So Fly Freestyle/freestyle with Young One over some LL beat he has four pieces of new material floating around. Two I've heard, two I haven't. :\

And my love for Canibus is over the top? Really? No way!

Raw Is Jonathan
September 4th, 2004, 8:34 AM
Love the Guerilla Monsoon Rap beat by the way...

Never really thought about looking into Cannibus really...

I do blame Quiet Storm's verbal masturbation for that though, put me right off!

doyoulikepie
September 4th, 2004, 1:22 PM
yeah i got my name is nobody from bit torrent, havent bought any albums in a looooooong time.

broke ass, stupid producers and get on your knees are all pretty bad tunes.

have you heard, i think its called, big syke daddy by big syke, its pretty good, i recommend a listen.

ive got the gift and heavens movie by bizzy, when thugs cry is one of my favourite tunres. i prefer krayzie out of all of them though, hard time hustlin is a good album, talk to myself and hard time hustlin are two of my favourite tunes.

TheChillidogger
September 4th, 2004, 5:26 PM
I know Eminem is on that bad boy though.


So is ICP and Twiztid

Cubed-Sphere
September 5th, 2004, 3:33 AM
Source: allhiphop.com

Royce Da 5’9 is preparing to release a new album, M.I.C. The 16-track album is Royce’s third release. The album is a collaborative effort between Royce and upcoming producer Nottz. The album is being released through Sure Shot Recordings and hits stores on Oct. 26.
3rd official release, but he had an albums of studio-cuts and freestyles that was like 20 tracks long.... 4get the name, but it was hot, too. Royce is my fav. living rapper right now, right up there with Nas as the best in the game right now.


Speaking of best in the game i can't wait until the new Pac album slated for Dec. release. 2-disc, pre-deathrow album, baby.

Now on to recent releases:

The new Mase album, actually pretty solid. Here's a summed up review, picked it up 2nyte and have listened through it 3 times through to carefully analyze that ish:

Flow: 4/5 - Mase, even as an average lyricist has a catchy and smooth flow.

Lyrics: 3/5 - Better than his 1st album, but not as good as his 2nd. He does, however, touches deep on his feelings, pains, and past (even to the point of dissing himself for how he use to think/act). But on two songs, especially "Gotta Survive" he lyrically rips the beat and surprises me personally as a grown lyricist.

Beats: 3.5/5 - Only like 3 beats are outstanding, but everything else is solid or good. Not a single bad beat on the whole album.

Value: 3.5/5 - Only 12 songs brings this score down a bit, but if you cool with Mase or dig him a lot, you get A LOT of him as only 1 other rapper is actually featured on the album (It says P-Diddy is feat. on one song, but really Puffy's just in the background, which i think is a good thing)... but you get an introspective Mase rapping solidly over some tight beats, some songs really make you think or make you feel him. Good Value overall.

Production: 4/5 - Most songs are equalized well and the sound-effects and order of songs are perfect, but 2 songs have hooks that could have been cleaned up a little.

Overall: 3.75/5


3 Strongest Songs:
-Keep It On
-Gotta Survive
-My Harlem Lullaby/Money Comes and Goes (serious tie, dudes)

3 Weakest Songs:
-Welcome Back
-Into What I Say
-I Wanna Go

Note for all my future reviews: Just because a song falls in the "weakest" category does not mean it's bad, it simply means that it's on the lower side of the album. So, if i put some songs ya'll love in the "weakest" category, then that probably means the album was TIGHT!


Overall guys, i'm cool with Mase being back. He didn't sell out at all, which people should respect whether or not you like his style. He didn't turn his back on his last 5 years of preaching, cuz the man stays deep, doesn't cuss, and spits some words of wisdom on this.

Cross Out The Eyes
September 6th, 2004, 11:32 AM
Dude, that Mase album is trash. You've got to be kidding.

QuietStorm
September 6th, 2004, 11:42 AM
The Rapreviews bit on the Mase album is one of the funniest things I have read in a while....

And then 'Flash' crapped on the ICP album the next week. Heh.

Mr. Boombastic
September 6th, 2004, 12:50 PM
2Pac has ANOTHER album coming out? When will Suge Knight let him die. They are really letting his legacy get so tarnished he'll soon be more remembered for the music he didnt do than the music he did do while he was alive.

Simon
September 6th, 2004, 12:56 PM
And this after his legacy was semi-redeemed by the release of a live album, which is actually worth hearing. Let the fucker DIE you money-grabbing bastards :tantrum:.

Nas double-album out soon :hyper:

Cubed-Sphere
September 6th, 2004, 1:05 PM
Dude, that Mase album is trash. You've got to be kidding.
If you didn't like Mase when he was out before then you won't now, like the dude on Rapreviews.com. But if you dug him in 97-99 you'll like the new album. I'm not even wasting my time disputing this as the album isn't worth defending, it's just worth the 10 bucks i paid for it is all i'm saying.

And to HBK2K, None of the posthumous Pac albums have been "bad", it's just hardcore fans get pissy with tracks being remixed. Personally the ONLY thing that bugs me about the rmx'ing is that they sometimes add people I don't approve of like 50 cent and Eminem, that just don't go well with Pac. I'm fine with Eminem producing some beats for the enxt album as Afeni has confirmed, but i hope if the raps he only has 1 verse the whole album, hopefully none. But besides some shotty guest spots, the remixed songs are usually as good or better than the originals, imo. 2pac Live was pretty good, though.

BoSox Rule
September 7th, 2004, 1:01 AM
2Pac Live was good. I like Hit 'Em Up. The best part was when he was lik they wanna play fat boy all god damn day, then it goes silent, and the hit 'em up beat starts.

And I am glad more Pac albums are coming out, I love when his albums are released.

Deka
September 7th, 2004, 10:06 AM
Anybody heard Pitbull's debut album?

I'm planning on picking it up. Heard three tracks off of it and loved what I heard.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 7th, 2004, 3:47 PM
Pitbull's that one on the Nas 'Lonely People' track init?

Sounded like a blatant rip-off of Jay-Z to me... I know probably put on... but all the same.

New Nas?

Double CD?

:drool:

Sexy, when's it out?

jesus sucks
September 7th, 2004, 4:12 PM
nas really needs to give stillmatic a listen and do better with this next cd la'. with the exception of ghetto mansion (which wasn't even his song) gods son was fucking average. who actually listens to that now? i dont think ive listened to it in almost 2 years.

Mr. Boombastic
September 7th, 2004, 7:36 PM
Couldnt disagree more JS. God's Son was a more subtle, mellow rap album. Certainly it had a different feel from Stillmatic, but it is a pretty good cd. Give it another listen. Thugs Mansion was a good track, but definately not the cream of the crop on that album. Get Down, The Cross, Made you Look, Book of Rhymes, and Warrior Song are my favorite tracks of that cd.

I think one reason why alot of people get turned off by newer Nas cds, is that he is constantly changing his sound and each of his cds has a different feel than the previous one. Contrary to most, this is why I think Nas is the greatest rapper ever, because he has experimented and evolved with the years, instead of finding success with one formula and sticking with it, cough Jay-Z(post Reasonable doubt) cough.

God's Son is a pretty solid album, the only Nas cd I would consider even close to "average" is "I Am".

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
September 7th, 2004, 7:39 PM
I love God's Son, I don't even consider Thugz Mansion anything special because it's shit compared to the solo 2Pac one IMO. I'm too cheap to buy cd's at full price or regularly, but a new Nas album, that I would part with my hard earned cash for.

QuietStorm
September 7th, 2004, 7:41 PM
I'll make sure to download it soon as it is ripped and give you all a brief review.

Cubed-Sphere
September 7th, 2004, 7:52 PM
Couldnt disagree more JS. God's Son was a more subtle, mellow rap album. Certainly it had a different feel from Stillmatic, but it is a pretty good cd. Give it another listen. Thugs Mansion was a good track, but definately not the cream of the crop on that album. Get Down, The Cross, Made you Look, Book of Rhymes, and Warrior Song are my favorite tracks of that cd.

I think one reason why alot of people get turned off by newer Nas cds, is that he is constantly changing his sound and each of his cds has a different feel than the previous one. Contrary to most, this is why I think Nas is the greatest rapper ever, because he has experimented and evolved with the years, instead of finding success with one formula and sticking with it, cough Jay-Z(post Reasonable doubt) cough.

God's Son is a pretty solid album, the only Nas cd I would consider even close to "average" is "I Am".
Nah man, "I Am..." stomps "Nastradamus", now THAT is his only average album, imo. "I Am..." had Ghetto Prisoners, Hate Me Now, We Will Survive, Nas is Like, and that one song with Scarface. All those songs are hip-hop classics, imo.

Any news about the double-album, i haven't even heard of this before.

spanish announce table
September 7th, 2004, 11:04 PM
I thought Nas was awesome on God's Son. He was lyrically imcomparable on tracks like Get Down, Book of Rhymes and Warrior Song. He also goes deeper on songs like Heaven (one of my all time favorites) and Dance. The beats are strong as well, besides that track with the Bravehearts.

Cubed-Sphere
September 8th, 2004, 1:35 AM
If anyoen wants to hear a clip of one of the songs on Pac's new double-disc album, go to Nutt-So's website, www.nuttysplayhouse.com, and click on Audio on the upper bar and then stream the song "Don't Sleep". It of course is Tupac featuring Nutt-So and will be on the upcoming album.

jesus sucks
September 8th, 2004, 4:46 AM
i didnt mean songs like the cross and get down were'nt godd songs. i like some of the songs on it. i just dont think they're anything special. the whole album was pretty boring imo. stillmatic was a classic then i was expecting another original cd like that and gods son came out it just didnt get anywhere close.

i am was half brilliant and half ok. we will survive is a classic, and ny state of mind part 2 has one of the best beats ever. yeah thats not a bad cd. i also think one of the best songs he ever did is on it was written that "black girl lost". tune :yes:

Mr. Boombastic
September 8th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Dont get me wrong, I really enjoy I Am, its just my least favorite of Nas cds. A lot of people dont like Nastradamus, but something about it I just really like.

JS, It Was Written is a classic just like Illmatic and Stillmatic, if you ask me. Black girl lost is a good tune, If I Ruled the World(Imagine that), street dreams, i gave you power, message, nas is coming(nas and dr dre cant be beat), watch dem niggas, and affirmative action are all killer tracks.

NY State of Mind Pt 2 does have a great beat, but lyrically it is nothing compared to the original NY State of Mind. The flow on that song is perfect, its one of my all time favorite rap songs.

Gertner
September 8th, 2004, 1:02 PM
cubed- sphere, i agree with you. I also enjoyed the Ma$e cd. It's a great change of pace cd. It's gets tiring after a while hearing "nigga this, and fuck that"

TheChillidogger
September 8th, 2004, 4:19 PM
The Rapreviews bit on the Mase album is one of the funniest things I have read in a while....

And then 'Flash' crapped on the ICP album the next week. Heh.

Rap/metal duo Insane Clown Posse debuts at No. 12 on the chart with 73,000 units sold of their CD/DVD set "Hell's Pit" (Psychopathic), which also tops Billboard's Top Internet Albums and Top Independent Albums charts. The Detroit-based act's previous release, "The Wraith: Shangri-La," had a similar opening week in 2002, wrangling a No. 15 berth with sales of 76,000 copies. The set has sold 284,000 to date.

jesus sucks
September 9th, 2004, 6:09 AM
JS, It Was Written is a classic just like Illmatic and Stillmatic, if you ask me. Black girl lost is a good tune, If I Ruled the World(Imagine that), street dreams, i gave you power, message, nas is coming(nas and dr dre cant be beat), watch dem niggas, and affirmative action are all killer tracks.

NY State of Mind Pt 2 does have a great beat, but lyrically it is nothing compared to the original NY State of Mind. The flow on that song is perfect, its one of my all time favorite rap songs.

i gave you power, live nigga rap, affirmitive action and black girl lost are probably my fav songs on that.

illmatic is still the best i agree.

Simon
September 9th, 2004, 7:59 AM
For me, after Illmatic his best album is I Am...tons of great tracks on it. Small World (one of my favourite tracks ever), Favour For A Favour, K.I.S.S.I.N.G., Hate Me Now, NY State Of Mind Pt. 2...

QuietStorm
September 9th, 2004, 3:15 PM
Check out Braille's "Shades of Grey" album. Ranks right with Illogic's "Celestial Clockwork" as the two best hip hop albums I have heard this year. Here is his interview with allhiphop.com and the rapreviews.com review which gave him 9 for lyrics, music, and overall. Don't say I didn't try with you bastards.

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Braille is a phenomenal emcee who debuted in 1999 with “Life First: Half the Battle” and now is back with an extremely anticipated sophomore solo album “Shades of Grey”. Braille is also part of super crew Lightheaded with members Ohmega Watts, Othello and Muneshine, which released “Pure Thoughts” in 2003 to great success and praise.


What is the logic behind the name Braille?

I've been named Braille now for like 6 or 7 years. It almost feels like my birth name sometimes. The definition of "braille" is text for the blind. I take it as, using the text I write to help people understand the things they can't see, to express the unseen, to express emotions and to communicate life perspectives.



How did you begin rapping and who was your inspiration?

I grew up in one of the many golden eras of hiphop. My favorite groups were tribe called quest, de la soul, leaders of the new school and so forth. I hardly remember what first got me into it, like, I can't remember the day that I sat down and decided to write a rap. I think I used to rap other peoples lyrics and then slowly started writing my own. This was at a very young age. It was recreational for the first year or two. I started recording songs in studios around age 14 and that just got me amped to keep working at it.

What albums are in your discography?

As a solo artist I've released "Lifefirst: Half the Battle (1999)" and "Shades of Grey (2004)". Aside from many tapes and such, the other release I'm still pushing is with my group Lightheaded, "Pure Thoughts (2003)". I've also featured on a lot of different cds through the years.



How did the groups Acts 29 and Lightheaded form?

Acts 29 was the name of a youth group that I attended. The CD was originally created to give to youth visitors at the church. Syntax wanted a solo record from me and I didn't have one at the time, so I gave them the church project. The main base of my groups started with Return to Sender (Ohmega and I) but since we never had the chance to expand much we just always included each other in everything we did. The end result right now is "Lightheaded" which also has Othello, Muneshine and now our official DJ is DJ Bombay from Ohio. Ohmega Watts, Othello, and I are just a grouping of best friends who all happen to be fans of each others work.


How did you hook up with Syntax Records?

I've known Tim (sir roc) for a long time now. We've always chatted back and forth on-line. When they were working on Fashion Expo they talked with me about doing a solo record with them. We did the songs for fashion expo and I consistently featured on most all of their releases. Funny thing is, they never had the chance to release a solo record from me. At this time I'm not signed with them anymore but we are still great friends. We are both in the process of building our futures and re-building the foundations of our careers. I'm sure we'll always be involved in each others projects regardless.

What does the title of your latest release "Shades of Grey" mean?

I believe in absolutes. The "Shades of Grey" are the areas of confusion in our life. When we allow them to remain grey and don't establish a direction based on either truth or faith.....then these areas eventually take over our way of living. No boundaries, no direction....just existing in the grey.

How did you come up with the idea for a Limited Edition "Shades of Grey", complete with signatures?

In the process of working things out with Syntax, I was just so excited to get this album into people’s hands that I decided to release it myself. I made the first 1,000 limited because I didn't know how soon it would officially release. However, I have now decided to start my own label, so it is officially released now through that label.

What do you feel is your favorite track off the album?

That's a really hard question. I spent 3 years piecing it together, so everything on the record means a lot to me. Some of my personal favorites are towards the end. Songs like "goliath", "nobody", "shades of grey" and in the middle songs like "keep on" and "poetry in motion part two".

How did you hook up with Rob Swift from X-Ecutioners for the song "Hiphop Music" and 9th Wonder for "10 Years"?

I just wanted to connect with them, so I reached out and we were able to make it happen. This was before 9th Wonder was producing for artists like Jay-Z. As for Rob Swift, he's just a mad cool guy.

What would the ultimate reward for you be?

I'm really trying to do my best to serve God with my whole heart. Knowing that he's pleased with me at any given time is the greatest possible reward, beyond that, just being part of what he's doing in my life and seeing it un-fold. I have so many things I want to accomplish during my life span, but really, none of it matters if it gets in the way of where God is taking me.

What can we look forward to in the near future from Braille and Lightheaded?

Next releases on the way...



1. Pick up Braille "Shades of Grey" from http://www.braillehiphop.com , http://www.sphereofhiphop.com , http://www.ughh.com and many other great places. For more store info e-mail me at braillehiphop@hotmail.com



2. Braille "Box of Rhymes" EP releases on Domination Recordings in January 2005



3. Lightheaded "Wrong Way" EP releases on my new label during the first quater of 2005. I'm excited for all of that.



4. Also check for a re-release of Lightheaded "Pure Thoughts" coming soon. It will include a new bonus cut. Last but not least, I'm also doing the U.S. release of Othello and the Hipnotiks (jazz project) titled "Classic". This will have complete mixes of the jazz project, and includes 3 bonus songs with production from Muneshine and Mr. J of the Procussions. That will drop September of this year.



5. Keep an eye out for "Heavy Rotation" also presented by my new label hopefully later this year. I know that's all confusing but if you keep up at www.braillehiphop.com (http://www.braillehiphop.com) then it will soon all make sense.

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Review

Braille :: Shades of Grey :: Braille Music
as reviewed by John Book
Concepts and ideas planned out in a manner that is precise are things that work in a business infrastructure. It also works in rap music, when those concepts and ideas are executed correctly. There is a section of the hip-hop community that hears the words "concept" and "album" together, and words like bigheaded and overblown are often mentioned. I don't think no one has ever made an attempt to do a hip-hop version of "Tommy" or "Operation:mindcrime", nor does a "concept" mean that an entire album has to flow like an opera. It simply means one has to come up with an effective beginning and ending. What dances in the middle is up to the artist, who may or may not be capable of handling the task.

The problem with a lot of rap albums today is most people making albums shouldn't. A lot of rappers are more than happy to supply the next hit, and sadly that becomes the focus of what rap music is all about. Those who are willing to step out of the norm are considered... well, come up with your own stereotypes and tags. Braille has been someone who has walked his own path for awhile, not looking for a yellow brick road but for a road that was made for a rapper like him. "Shades of Grey" is an album that is well thought out, an incredlble amount of powerful and intense lyrics backed up by producers who know how to take his words over the top. In "It Won't Last" (produced by Weapon X), he and guest rappers Othello and Pigeon John talk about repetitive rappers who say nothing, and people eat that up to where it becomes the only style of music they listen to. "Goliath" (produced by Ohmega Watts) takes Braille into familiar territory, touching on the story of David and Goliath and using it as a metaphor for what the music industry has become. In other words, it's a beast that thousands have to deal with, and sadly also leaves behind many casualties.

Positivity is the topic of discussion in "Soul Rock", where Braille is backed with Ohmega Watts and Othello, along with Sharlok Poems of L.A. Symphony, and hearing how well these guys rap together makes one wish more people were tapping into this recipe.

Braille can carry it off when he has his friends complimenting him, but he stands out more when he takes a song on his own. In the title track, Braille taps into the human psyche and how we bob and weave throughout life for the sake of keeping head over water:

"What could drive a man off a cliff, lost in thoughts
analyze life to find what's real and what's not
forgotten faces, flashing through my conscience
a conquest for freedom, constant forward motion
leaving Egypt, past erased from attachment
to start from scratch with the bricks that established
my true identity, secret to most
deeper then known, I'm keeping it close, to my heart
written on stone tablets, alone in my magic
advice projected, correcting bad habits
laughing as I drowned in mystical tears
mind consumed by thoughts that my physical fears
I can't, listen with ears, cause words will deceive
as I stand up against darker versions of me
looking over my shoulder, waiting for false moves
dancing around land-mines and get lost in the grove
what happens when all the light slowly fades away
and you try to see God inside a shade of grey
he's ever-present, through our mistakes flaws and folly
he could have left me falling, but instead he called me
and I answered, silent and unsure what to say
just thanking him for life even with the shades of grey"

With production contributions from Kno of CunninLynguists and 9th Wonder of Little Brother, "Shades Of Grey" is a top notch album that is one of the more important hip-hop albums of the year. Braille could very well be on his way to taking his music to the next level, wherever he chooses to take it, and regardless of who adds color to his shades of grey.

Music Vibes: 9 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 9 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 9 of 10

Raw Is Jonathan
September 9th, 2004, 3:40 PM
There's only 6 tracks on that Illogic cd?

Can't find this Braille anywhere on t'internet...

QuietStorm
September 9th, 2004, 3:42 PM
14 tracks on the Illogic album. Braille will be hell to get, but I have seen it on Soulseek.

MerLuv
September 9th, 2004, 3:44 PM
OK, so I've been working with a production team and would care for some opinions on our music....

http://www.thagamebreakerz.com

So far both Concept and Pat Chilla's stuff is gonna be featured on Top Model, which is cool.

They're both working on the production and mastering of an up and coming artist named Floe Montana too...

Raw Is Jonathan
September 9th, 2004, 3:48 PM
MerLuv!

:heart:

Can't fucking find Illogic anywhere online now...

Shit, shit, shit!

Deka
September 9th, 2004, 9:26 PM
I'll be picking up that Pitbull tomorrow.

Let you niggas know what I think soon.

jesus sucks
September 10th, 2004, 8:51 PM
just picked up dizee rascals first album. this is great :yes: i dunno why i didnt like him at first.

Deka
September 10th, 2004, 11:33 PM
Just copped the new Terror Squad album, "True Story".

It's laced with a minimual 12 tracks, but they're all fire.

I'm feelin' every song on this album.

Seriously, Terror Squad is repin' with this album.

And I'm really feelin' Remy Martin. She tears through each record like a beast.



Also, picked up Pitbull's album.

All I gotta say is...woah.

Shut Up, Mooney!
September 10th, 2004, 11:56 PM
With the talk about Nas, I feel this guy is a bullshit artist, honestly. I love Illmatic and I probably always will, but since then, he's been inconsistent to say the least. I just don't see how his fans are so quick to point out his great accomplishments, but are so quick to ignore his bullshit.

They act like his years of attempting to become more mainstream didn't happen. Like he didn't make up half of what he said on that "classic dis track" that supposedly ended Jay-Z's career. Like he didn't go all on this big "blaze of glory" against Hot 97, and then punk out by going on there and apologizing when it was time for his album to drop. Like he didn't criticize other rappers for "ruining hip-hop" and then align himself with Murder Inc. Like he didn't dis rappers for doing ads for companies and "selling out", meanwhile showing up in rim company ads.

He just baffles me. He criticizes people and then turns around and does the same shit, and badly at that. And his fans don't see this. They're quick to bring up his "smarter" music, but you mention that song he did with Ginuwine or the Murder Inc. thing, and they don't know what you're talkin' about...

I think he's really talented, but his inconsistencies just take away from him being a guy that people can bank on. Usually fans stand by artists they know won't go back on their words or back down once someone calls their bluff. Nas doesn't seem like the type to depend on for that.

Kris P. Lettus
September 11th, 2004, 6:24 PM
Quick question...

Devin the Dude's new album any good??

Not near as good as his other two...

Raw Is Jonathan
September 12th, 2004, 2:50 PM
Not near as good as his other two...

I'll pass on picking that up then!

:yes:

QuietStorm
September 13th, 2004, 8:17 PM
Royce Nickel Nine. Chino XL. Canibus. On the same track. Coming VERY soon.

CollegeGraduate
September 13th, 2004, 9:19 PM
How Soon??!!?


Also anyone heard the SUPPOSED 1st Single off of Eminems new album?

QuietStorm
September 14th, 2004, 2:20 AM
Whenever King Tech decides to give everyone a chance to download it for 10 minutes. It is going to be on the Wake Up Show album next year, so understandably he probably doesn't want the entire world to hear it. But 10 minutes is well enough for it to get around.

And the Eminem "Just Lose It" track should be out on Thursday. With the Encore title it looks like he is trying to go for an amalgamation of his first three albums. If I hear at least a semblance of Slim Shady on this album I will be happy, since it is the only of his albums I have fully enjoyed.

And the Jedi Mind Tricks album is out next week and still no leak. Babygrande is seriously the best at keeping their work under wraps.

Cubed-Sphere
September 14th, 2004, 2:34 AM
Whenever King Tech decides to give everyone a chance to download it for 10 minutes. It is going to be on the Wake Up Show album next year, so understandably he probably doesn't want the entire world to hear it. But 10 minutes is well enough for it to get around.

And the Eminem "Just Lose It" track should be out on Thursday. With the Encore title it looks like he is trying to go for an amalgamation of his first three albums. If I hear at least a semblance of Slim Shady on this album I will be happy, since it is the only of his albums I have fully enjoyed.

And the Jedi Mind Tricks album is out next week and still no leak. Babygrande is seriously the best at keeping their work under wraps.
I personally hated the Slim Shady LP, but enjoyed both Marshall Mathers LP and Eminem Show. I predicted when this man debuted that his 3rd album would be his deepst yet (which i believe to be true), and his fourth would his all-around best, period, for all time. I hope i'm right.


btw, R.I.P 2PAC
8 years later you're still alive.

Simon
September 14th, 2004, 2:37 AM
His third album was by far his worst. The only way Encore will be on a level with either of the first two is if it's as far from his third album as possible. You could say that his third album was his deepest, but only because neither of the first two were intended to be deep, they were intended to be funny and entertaining. The third one is deeper, but not actually deep at all (compared to other rappers' albums), and lost the humour that made Eminem great.

Also, 2pac is dead. Accept it.

Cubed-Sphere
September 14th, 2004, 2:50 AM
His third album was by far his worst. The only way Encore will be on a level with either of the first two is if it's as far from his third album as possible. You could say that his third album was his deepest, but only because neither of the first two were intended to be deep, they were intended to be funny and entertaining. The third one is deeper, but not actually deep at all (compared to other rappers' albums), and lost the humour that made Eminem great.

Also, 2pac is dead. Accept it.
All i said was that his 3rd album was his deepest, so since you agree i'm most likely right, why are you debating what i said? No one said it was tear-inducing.

And i meant 2pac is alive in spirit. :rolleyes:

Simon
September 14th, 2004, 7:40 AM
http://img30.exs.cx/img30/7718/encore2.jpg

*Unofficial* Eminem album cover.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 14th, 2004, 11:33 AM
Eminem's third album was shit!

Listened to it all of four times...

*Doesn't go into the whole production argument...*

I'll wait and see what the opinion's on the album are before even thinking about buying it this time around.

Mr. Boombastic
September 14th, 2004, 3:40 PM
I can smell the Jay-Z biase in your post, Shut up mooney. Sure, Nas has been a bit inconsistent, when you rap about more than money and hoes without the same basic format on every cd, your sound evolves and does not just stick to the winning formula.

I am curious in you pointing out all the falacies in "Ether" since "half" of the song is lies. Also, that song didnt kill Jay-Z's career, if anything it helped Jay-Z's career(hell the beef helped both of them out really), but I would say that Ether was a million times better than The Takeover.

Finally, all musical artists sell out to mainstream some degree or else we would likely never have heard of them, but if you believe that Nas is a sellout and Jay-Z is not only a sellout but much more of one, than you sir are crazy.

Cubed-Sphere
September 14th, 2004, 5:25 PM
Eminem's third album was shit!

Listened to it all of four times...

*Doesn't go into the whole production argument...*

I'll wait and see what the opinion's on the album are before even thinking about buying it this time around.
I think Soldier, Cleaning out my closet, the song w/ Nate Dogg ("til my knees give out" or something like that.), and Haley's song were all in his "best of..." works. Sing for the moment and Say goodbye to Hollywood were both good as well. Overall, i enjoyed The Eminem Show, but MMLP was his best album, imo.