Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[QuietStorm]

Those aren't the verses he did on the Wake Up show track I have by him..

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It was the one from when they phoned him, not when he was in the studio.


Anyone besides me gonna get the new Murs album when it comes out? It is produced entirely by 9th Wonder. Guaranteed to be banging.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

What's people saying about Encore?

Noticed his album on rapreviews like.

[Kris P. Lettus]

It was the one from when they phoned him, not when he was in the studio.


Ahhhhhhh...

:yes:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Oh yeah, I got the new Cee Lo album.. Awesome form what I've heard...

[Raw Is Jonathan]

any other opinions on cee lo?

any slightly less biased opinions...

;)

[spanish announce table]

Just a rundown of some songs I've heard recently...

Nas - Star Wars
This is supposed to be included on the Illmatic re-release. It's a bit different from stuff like "Get Down" or "New York State of Mind", but its still dope.

Non Phixion - We All Bleed
Definitely feeling this track. The beat is awesome and none of the three MC's come wack.

Method Man feat Busta Rhymes - Whats Happening?
More upbeat party stuff from Meth. Not a bad track, but if all of "Tical: 0" is like this, I wont be too happy.

Jay Stacks - Heavenly Father
Lyrically, this is a good song, but the way he uses the sped-up chipmunk sample isn't very effective.

Slum Village feat Kanye West - Selfish
I haven't heard a lot from SV, but I've liked everything I have heard.

[Simon]

I heard the other Nas track that's on the Illmatic re-release, was nice, haven't heard that one though, can't find anywhere :no:

The Non-Phixion is sweet, no different to everything they've ever done, but if it ain't broke...

The Meth and Busta track is sick, high hopes for his album having heard that and a track he done with Redman that's on it.

Slum Village rule...Fall In Love = :yes:

[Simon]

Also...since when has Jin been signed To Ruff Ryders? It must be old news, but I never heard it :eek:

[.invurzion.]

ever since he was the freestyle champ from 106 & park. pretty old.

[Simon]

I really need to start paying attention.

[spanish announce table]

Jin was pretty dope on 106 & Park, but "Learn Chinese" is a huge waste of talent. He's using the fact that he's Chinese as a gimmick and it's getting old very fast.

I downloaded Non-Phixion's first album last night. Dope shit.

[Simon]

The Future Is Now? Yeeeeeeah, love it.

I like Learn Chinese, bassline is sick :\

[.invurzion.]

Das Efx was the shit back in their day. But I agree with spanish announce table on this - the whole gimmick is garbage. It's rather old. But when he spit that freestyle on that one guy saying "if you look in your Tim's it probably says made in China..."
I was done...

[Raw Is Jonathan]

slum village and non-phixion eh...

[Simon]

You'll have heard some Non-Phixion, or at least some Non-Phixion-style tracks...it's Ill Bill (Necro's brother) and a couple of others.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Oh, thanks for telling me I've heard of some of Non-Phixion, can you now tell me whether I'm feeling thirsty or not please?

Mind?

You're not talking back to me mind?




You're such a shit Simon!

But yeah...

Ordering Cee-Lo.

[Simon]

Shut your heed, I thought you were looking for info on them :cool:

Nas re-release of Illmatic with remastered tracks, remixed tracks and new tracks is out soon...might be worth getting :eek:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Nah, not worth getting a c.d you've already got with like two new tracks!

Fuck heed!

Yes, looking for info on them, but I don't class info as fucking "You'll have heard some Non-Phixion, or at least some Non-Phixion-style tracks...".

Loser.

[Simon]

Non-Phixion is the group comprising of Ill Bill, Goretex, Sabac Red and DJ Eclipse. The album is very dark, in the lyrical content (particularly Ill Bill, although he is a somewhat toned-down version of Necro, who's just outright sick) and the concepts on the album, a lot of it based around conspiracy theories and the idea that 'the man' is fucking everyone over. I love the album, it was much better than I expected...I was expecting an inferior Necro-style album with nothing but sick lyrics and hardcore beats...while it does have some of that, it's got a lot more depth and intelligence about it. Black Helicopters is awesome, download that and go from there. The production is brilliant also, not only does Eclipse consistently deliver nice stuff, there are some guest productions from Pete Rock, Large Professor, Premo and The Beatnuts (I think Necro has one beat as well, but I'm not definite). The quality of the production should tell you a little about the quality of the artists - relative unknown rappers don't get great producers working on their debut album unless there's a great deal of talent there.

Enough info? :heart::p

[Hack]

The two songs I have from the new Ghostface are fucking great ... why is this album not even listed on Amazon yet?

[QuietStorm]

Same with Chino XL. The single is out but I can't find a release date anywhere for Poison Pen.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

*Add's Non Phixion to shopping basket*

*Takes a moment to glare at Simone*

[Simon]

Admit that my review was brilliant.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Your review was piss poor, but you can't fault your enthusiasm.

It'll have to wait though, purchased 3 tickets to a musicak costing £100 and not one of those tickets is for me!

Yes, I am a bloody nice bloke!

[Simon]

What in shitting crikey is a musicak? Speak English you nancy-boy!

[Raw Is Jonathan]

MUSICAL.

For fucks sake!

I'm a bloody loveable scamp!

[Simon]

You're about as loveable as anal thermometry.

Non-Phixion have a new album coming out soon, The Green Album I think it's called...should be good. The video for Necro's White Slave is fucking NASTY.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Well I'm gonna get old Non-Phixion!

Any decent albums dropping in the next few weeks/months?

anal thermometry? well i feel for you simon, as i've never even heard of that, so you've obviously had it!

[Simon]

Because you've never heard of it, I've obviously had it? Well being a Northerner, you probably haven't heard of much (education, Western medicine etc), so I must have everything there is to have! ZING!

D12 album shouldn't be too far away now, same with Nas' next release. Ghostface has a new album out soon, as does Method Man. Redman's new mixtape (Ill At Will) is good, and looking a little further, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, 50 Cent and Dre all have albums slated for release this year...but since when has Aftermath stayed to schedule? At a guess, I'd expect the Eminem and 50 albums drop, the other two won't see the light of day in 2004.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Why are you telling me about all this commercial mainstream shit?!

pfft, as if i like fifty cents, bunch of shit!

CUNTY!

ZING RIGHT BACK AT YA!

[Simon]

Touché :ashamed:

[Tom Bombadil]

when method's album out?

[Kris P. Lettus]

I've recently aquired:

-Cee Lo Green is the Soul Machine
-DAS EFX-straight up sewaside
-Cypress Hill-Black Sunday
-Canibus-Rip the Jacker (for QS)
-Talib Kweli-A Beautiful Struggle (not out yet)
-Wu Chonicles II

All good...

:yes:

[aturk99]

hey join my buddy in ny the rappers new forum you can post links to your site as well use it to promote yourself in the states and to give feedback on him

*No AdVerTiSiNg PlEaSe!!11* - Infamous

[Kris P. Lettus]

No advertising other boards, mang...

Might want to edit that...

[QuietStorm]

I've recently aquired:

-Cee Lo Green is the Soul Machine
-DAS EFX-straight up sewaside
-Cypress Hill-Black Sunday
-Canibus-Rip the Jacker (for QS)
-Talib Kweli-A Beautiful Struggle (not out yet)
-Wu Chonicles II

All good...

:yes:
The Beautiful Struggle is class. His best overall production from the tracks I have heard. Might be a few tracks changed or added since it leaked so early. All the Lonely People is an awesome song.

And good looks on RtJ.

[spanish announce table]

I haven't seen the Jeymes Samuel video yet, but I heard it was pretty good. Can anyone who has seen it comment?

[aturk99]

when method's album out?

late april

[Kris P. Lettus]

The Beautiful Struggle is class. His best overall production from the tracks I have heard. Might be a few tracks changed or added since it leaked so early. All the Lonely People is an awesome song.

And good looks on RtJ.

All the Lovely People is the man.. I also am digging the track with Killer Mike and the throwback oldskool jam.. The one with the Afrika Bambataa style beat... It'll prolly get cut from the cd though...

:nono:

I got Rip The Jacker for $6..

:cool:

I also got a copy of The Infamous Mobb Deep.. They have a new album suppose to drop this month BTW..

:yes:

[GameOver!]

I got Rip The Jacker for $6..Sure you didn't overpay? ;)

[Hack]

http://www.wutangcorp.com/clan/ghostfacekillah/news/show/419/

[Raw Is Jonathan]

http://www.wutangcorp.com/shared/images/features/nsdate.jpg

:drool:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Shit Wu-Tang are coming to London?!

:(

They should have come to Birmingham...

[Simon]

That's the coolest poster ever.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Saw the new GFK video with Missy Elliot... Pretty shit...

:(

[dana]

...

[Hack]

I haven't seen the video with Missy, but "Run" is fucking awwwwwwwwwesome

[QuietStorm]

Albums I just bought on sandoxautomatic:

Chops - Virtuosity
Sly Boogy - Judgement Day
Paris - Sonic Jihad
Murs - Murs 3:16
Chino XL - I Told You So (Only had a burned copy, never actually purchased it until now...trying to pass time until Poison Pen, which appears to be pushed back :mad:)


So that is that.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Because you've never heard of it, I've obviously had it? Well being a Northerner, you probably haven't heard of much (education, Western medicine etc), so I must have everything there is to have! ZING!

D12 album shouldn't be too far away now, same with Nas' next release. Ghostface has a new album out soon, as does Method Man. Redman's new mixtape (Ill At Will) is good, and looking a little further, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, 50 Cent and Dre all have albums slated for release this year...but since when has Aftermath stayed to schedule? At a guess, I'd expect the Eminem and 50 albums drop, the other two won't see the light of day in 2004.

D12, D12 World, April apparently
Lloyd Banks, Hunger For More, May
Young Buck, Straight Outta Cashville, June

I won't actually buy any of them, but still.

[Simon]

I'm gonna get the D12 album I reckon, mainly because it's the first thing I've had any sort of buzz about since...I really can't remember. Probably The Black Album, and that's a long time ago. Kanye produces a couple of tracks on D12 World, so I can at least hold hope that it'll be better than the last few Eminem-produced albums.

Fuck Lloyd Banks, and fuck Young Buck especially. I mean, who is he, really. At least Lloyd Banks looks like someone famous.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I prefer Young Buck's stuff on Beg For Mercy, but yeah, they both come across as complete nobodies in the G-Unit videos, especially the new one.

[Simon]

The thing is, everyone's shitting their load over Lloyd Banks, saying he's the real star of G-Unit and will blow up...I don't see it, only nice line he's ever had was that 'Sensing a lot of tension, now that I'm rapping, the kids used to look up to you - what happened?'...it's not even a good line, it's just his delivery is funny.

[Fro]

The thing is, everyone's shitting their load over Lloyd Banks, saying he's the real star of G-Unit and will blow up...I don't see it, only nice line he's ever had was that 'Sensing a lot of tension, now that I'm rapping, the kids used to look up to you - what happened?'...it's not even a good line, it's just his delivery is funny.

That's his best line?? Not by a long shot. I prefer ALL of his mixtape rhymes to almost anything on Beg For Mercy. His verse over the "Victory" beat is fuckin sick, definetly my personal favorite of his. As for his album, I think it will be decent. He is a better lyricist than 50 but I doubt he can carry an album like him. We shall see. G-Unit in general is getting so old. I just want a new Em album. That, and Busta with Dre executive producing.

[gypsyjackson]

The thing is, everyone's shitting their load over Lloyd Banks, saying he's the real star of G-Unit and will blow up...I don't see it, only nice line he's ever had was that 'Sensing a lot of tension, now that I'm rapping, the kids used to look up to you - what happened?'...it's not even a good line, it's just his delivery is funny.
I don't get it either. He's Craig David in an NFL shirt.

Sorry if that joke's been done before.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I don't listen to G-Unit...

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[Kris P. Lettus]

On another note, Das Efx are hella underrated..

[jesus sucks]

the remix cd with the new illmatic edition is fucking fire lah!!! finally a remaster worth buying if you already own the original. "on the real" is amazing.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I don't get it either. He's Craig David in an NFL shirt.

:lol:


I don't listen to G-Unit...

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Sorry, I suppose we should ask you before having a discussion in future ;)


On another note, Das Efx are hella underrated..

Dam' Dash requested They Want Efx on a show on Base a couple of weeks ago - nice



the remix cd with the new illmatic edition is fucking fire lah!!! finally a remaster worth buying if you already own the original. "on the real" is amazing.

I've got Illmatic, I don't fancy spending money on anything a remix cd though

[Kris P. Lettus]

Sorry, I suppose we should ask you before having a discussion in future ;)

You always should check with me before discussing anything..

:cool:

[Simon]

Here Krispy, I always assumed Cee-Lo was a rapper, then I read some review about his CD comparing his voice to the Bee Gees...is he a singer then? Looks like a rapper to me, crazy looking fucker :D

[Kris P. Lettus]

He started the singing-rap shit way before Nelly came around...

Download:

-Evening News
-Glockapella

Two tracks that show his range...

:yes:

[Webbicho]

the remix cd with the new illmatic edition is fucking fire lah!!! finally a remaster worth buying if you already own the original. "on the real" is amazing.

I didn't feel on the real... Star wars went down well though.

Wu has alot of new stuff coming out too.

Masta killa - No said date
Ghostface - Pretty Tony... RUN
Method Man - Tical 0
U-god - Hillside scramblers

Plus Rza and Rae just dropped albums recently. Gza is working on a DVD Masta Killas cd comes with a DVD and is a 2Lp as it is.

:yes:

[Simon]

Afroman is a fucking moron...he's come out with a 50-style diss to the whole industry, calling out the names of just about everyone in the industry...it's a pathetic mess, the lyrics are embarassing. I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be a joke or not, simply because it's SO bad...but would someone call out names like he does just for a joke?

http://www.afromanmusic.com/sounds/artist%20-%20Track%2012.mp3

Seriously...

[Webbicho]

Its not "50-style". People rap about famous people all the time.

(50-hatin)

[Simon]

Its not "50-style". People rap about famous people all the time.

(50-hatin)I've not heard someone take on the whole industry in one track since How To Rob...and Nas' fabled 'Ether Squared' track that never came out.

[Webbicho]

Take on the whole industry come on man you can say 100 names and not mention half the industry.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

you know what he bloody well meant

[Simon]

Take on the whole industry come on man you can say 100 names and not mention half the industry.Durrrrrr. :p

[Moz]

He started the singing-rap shit way before Nelly came around...

Download:

-Evening News
-Glockapella

Two tracks that show his range...

:yes:
I downloaded those two and "The Art of Noise" and "I'll be Around", I like his stuff. I'll probably get the full album pretty soonish.

I got Confessions as well, top album and I usually hate anything to do with RN'B - so it must be good.

[Simon]

Confessions is fucking brilliant...I don't like it as much as 8701, but it's a very good CD

[Moz]

I dunno. I've been contemplating getting 8701 but I'm not that fond of 'clubby' music and from what it seems like it's full of club-friendly music, or am i wrong?. '

On confessions, 'Yeah' is terrific but songs like Throwback and Confessions really get you into the album.

[Simon]

Burn is the best track on Confessions by far IMO, in fact I still say it's the bests ong I've heard in 2004.

8701 is more club-oriented than Confessions, it has a few Neptunes beats and that, but it's got it's fair share of slower stuff, Can You Help Me? and U Got It Bad in particular are great.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

"Yeah" isn't a clubby song?

[Simon]

One track doesn't make it a clubby album. 8701 has a load of upbeat club tracks, Confessions only really has Yeah.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

One track doesn't make it a clubby album.

See, I told everybody you were a genius... but would they listen?

[Moz]

8701 has 'U-Turn', 'U Got It Bad' and 'U Remind Me' and other club songs, while after 'Yeah' (which is pretty good anyway), there's not a song you can really get up and shake your thang to.

Not like I would. :shifty:

[Simon]

Burn is the fucking nuts though. I LOVE that song. Throwback as well.

[QuietStorm]

Whenever you guys want to discuss hip hop.....


I am here.

[Darkoke]

Kanye West's album, worth getting?

[Simon]

I'd say so. Nothing groundbreaking, but the production is nice and the lyrics are better than expected. Some great tracks on there.

[spanish announce table]

What do you guys think of that new Brassmunk song called "Throwback"? The video concept is cool, and the beat is pretty dope. I recommend it to anyone who hasn't heard of these guys before.

[QuietStorm]

Paris' Sonic Jihad hits every bit as hard as Revolutionary Vol. 2. You know what you are in for as soon as you open it and see the picture of the plane flying into the White House. On the back cover is a devilish George Bush and his quote about saying it would be a lot easier if it was a dictatorship, as long as he was the dictator. The production is on some 92-96 west coast shit. Definitely gives Dr. Dre a run for his money. The political samples dispersed throughout the album are so badass and real that I can't really express it in words. I think overall Immortal Technique may be a better lyricist but Paris hits so hardcore that it pretty much puts them at an even level. It is going to take many more listens to fully appreciate this. Only for the thick-blooded.

Recommended.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

And it was looking good until he mentioned the thick-blooded part, damn my thin blood!

Looking forward to up coming wu...

Got Cee-Lo, that song about putting your finger in the air if you're the one girl is better than hey-ya... oooo controversial!

Got royce 59 and david banners latest albums, not listened to them properly yet though.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

what you saying 'bout dilated people's new cd?

[Kris P. Lettus]

I downloaded those two and "The Art of Noise" and "I'll be Around", I like his stuff. I'll probably get the full album pretty soonish.

I got Confessions as well, top album and I usually hate anything to do with RN'B - so it must be good.

His first cd is better then the newest one... Both are good though..

[QuietStorm]

And it was looking good until he mentioned the thick-blooded part, damn my thin blood!

Looking forward to up coming wu...

Got Cee-Lo, that song about putting your finger in the air if you're the one girl is better than hey-ya... oooo controversial!

Got royce 59 and david banners latest albums, not listened to them properly yet though.
Yeah, Paris is still far inferior to Immortal Technique. The best part of the album is the cover art and the various political samples throughout the album. The production is raw as hell. Lyrically, it hits hard but leaves something to be desired. Paris' voice is rugged and kinda gets annoying after a while.

[CollegeGraduate]

Kanye West's album, worth getting?

I'd cop it.


I like it because of the production and Kanye seems down to earth and not full of himself like many rappers.

The Last Track is fantastic as it explains Kanye's rise. The cd is nothing remarkable, but it is good and shows off some of Kanye's abilities. It is however too long, and has too many skits. Making it 14 songs would have made it a more solid CD.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

His first cd is better then the newest one... Both are good though..

Seriously?

Proper feeling the soul machine cd, and the big man is saying his first is better... shit!

[Simon]

So yeah, D12's album is terrible. Discuss.

[shadow]

So yeah, D12's album is terrible. Discuss.

link?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Wow, hard to keep up with the activity in here...

[QuietStorm]

Go vote for the Canibus video on mtv.com. I am too lazy to find a link though. Maybe later. If you are going to find the voting page. it is the second song from the bottom.


Like anyone really cares.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Shyne signed to Def Jam, even though he's still in jail till like 2011...

:happysad:

And yes RiJ, get Cee Lo's first cd.. And all Goodie Mob shit, if you don't already have it..

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Yeah, I was definitely thinking of getting all the goodie mob shit when I next go on a cd spending spree.

can't be long now until the releases of kweli, ghostface, masta killah, etc...

still haven't really listened to banner or royce yet...

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Okay, okay, so what goodie mob album should I get then big man?

And the Dungeon Family album, get that too, or is it a let down?

Enlighten me!

[Kris P. Lettus]

Soul Food is the best.. Still Standing is aiight.. World Party was kinda a let down.. They have a greatest hits out now called Dirty South Classics... Might want to start with that one...

Dungen Family was aiight..

You'd do better getting both P.A. (Parental Advisery) albums...

-Straight, No Chase
-My Life, Your Entertainment

(they're the third group in the Dungen Family beside Goodie Mob and OutKast)

If you like them you should check out Jim Crow.. They're in the Attic Crew with P.A...

:yes:

[Deka]

The new Eightball and MJG is hot. Cassidy's first album is pretty good. No one talks about Missy Elliott's new album, but every song is fire. I love that one joint, "Let It Bump" with Timbaland.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Missy ain't too popular among hiphop fans...

I thought about checking Cassidy's cd out, but after watching a programme on Base about him, his single looks like the same old shit, he was talking about the same old shit, and his claim to fame was "holding his own in a battle against Freeway."

So I couldn't be arsed...

[Kris P. Lettus]

The new Eightball and MJG is hot.

NEW EIGHTBALL & MJG?!?!?!?!

:drool:

*goes to Best Buy*

[spanish announce table]

The new XXL already has reviews of Jadakiss and Masta Killa. If I remember correctly, both were given ratings of L.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The new XXL already has reviews of Jadakiss and Masta Killa. If I remember correctly, both were given ratings of L.

Is that good or bad??

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm hearing the new Mobb Deep single.. I can't firgure out what the beat is from..

Momentary brainfart..

:irked:

Lil help??

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm hearing the new Mobb Deep single.. I can't firgure out what the beat is from..

Momentary brainfart..

:irked:

Lil help??

RockOverBoston: The beat for "Twisted" is "She Blinded Me With Science"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YUS

[Simon]

Beat on that is great...sounds like something out of a horror film, very eerie. Mobb are back :cool:

[CollegeGraduate]

What did you guys think of Royce's Album? no 1 said anything about it. It went ignored.


P.S. What about D-12 album?

[Simon]

Royce's album is great, has a ton of hot tracks on it.

D12 album is shit, bar American Psycho 2.

[House of Pancakes]

Someone should count how many times "hot" and "beat" have been used throughout this thread.

[Fro]

Is that good or bad??

L is equivalent to 3/5 or 3 mics. It goes S M L XL XXL. They don't do half-scores like The Source does.

Also, I picked up the Ghostface album and it is dope. Recommended.

[Simon]

Someone should count how many times "hot" and "beat" have been used throughout this thread.If you have nothing valid to say, don't say anything.

:yes: Krispy, the Ghostface is great. Hot beats aplenty.

[Kris P. Lettus]

If you have nothing valid to say, don't say anything.

:yes: Krispy, the Ghostface is great. Hot beats aplenty.

RZA produce it???

p.s.I saw a North Srar album the other day.. RZA all over it.. I need to pick the shit up..

:yes:

[Fro]

RZA produced 2 tracks on the Ghostface album, including the first single, "Run" with Jada.

[jesus sucks]

anyone heard the new method man song from Tical:0? absolute classic stuff. its him and busta rhymes in a kinda remake of the original bring the pain video. boss tune.

[QuietStorm]

The new Illogic album "Celestial Clockwork" is immense. The track with Aesop Rock and Vast Aire is awesome, the whole album is though. One of the best lyrical albums in the last five years. His first two albums (which I have purchased both of :)) are great too but this one blows them away.

[CollegeGraduate]

New Ghostface album, IS, trash. It is different from his last album which I adored. He is trying to become more "Poptartish" and the beats and hooks prove it. BRING back Ghostface KILLAH!!

The D-12 album is ok. Nothing Special. Couple of nice tracks like American Pyscho 2 and 40 oz.

[Kris P. Lettus]

New Ghostface album, IS, trash.

Why did you, PUT, commas, in there??

[QuietStorm]

The new Illogic album. Still as good as it was this morning.

[Simon]

New Ghostface album, IS, trash. It is different from his last album which I adored. He is trying to become more "Poptartish" and the beats and hooks prove it. BRING back Ghostface KILLAH!!

The D-12 album is ok. Nothing Special. Couple of nice tracks like American Pyscho 2 and 40 oz.Wait...so D12 World is better than Pretty Toney? :rofl::nono:

[bobster]

I take back what I said about Royce Da 5'9 - Death is Certain.

I'm feeling it fo' sho.

[CollegeGraduate]

Wait...so D12 World is better than Pretty Toney? :rofl::nono:



I never said that. You are comparing a solo artist to a group.

I meant that compared to Ghostface last album, the Pretty Tony album sucks.

D12 World compared to Devils night is ok. That was my point.

The ridicule was unneccesary and you are a fool. Ya Bastid.

[CollegeGraduate]

I take back what I said about Royce Da 5'9 - Death is Certain.

I'm feeling it fo' sho.


I love it.


Royce is the man, no doubt.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I never said that. You are comparing a solo artist to a group.

When you say one album is shit while saying another is good in the same post, it comes across as you comparing them..

fuck up

[CollegeGraduate]

When you say one album is shit while saying another is good in the same post, it comes across as you comparing them..

fuck up


Ohh boo hoo, did I say something wrong to ur boy?


It may have come across that I was comparing the, IF THEY were comparable. IE solo artist to solo artist and band to band. I simply stated what I thought about both albums. This aint you're business anyway, so go eat sumthing.

[QuietStorm]

And on a related note, the Illogic album blows them both out of the water.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Ohh boo hoo, did I say something wrong to ur boy?


It may have come across that I was comparing the, IF THEY were comparable. IE solo artist to solo artist and band to band. I simply stated what I thought about both albums. This aint you're business anyway, so go eat sumthing.

No, you said something wrong in general.. Not just to "my boy".. The post you made came across as you reviewing two new albums.. One, you said was good.. The other, you said sucked... Not saying you specifically compaired and contrasted them, but, it does mean you like one more than another.. He simplly said it came off as you comparing them.. Which, to anyone who is not complete fucktard, it did.. You went on to pointlessly flame him for your mistake.. Now, if you want to flame people you might want to check out the asylum, cause that's what it's there for..

Here's dollar..

Buy a clue, you f'n mong...

[Simon]

I never said that. You are comparing a solo artist to a group.

I meant that compared to Ghostface last album, the Pretty Tony album sucks.

D12 World compared to Devils night is ok. That was my point.

The ridicule was unneccesary and you are a fool. Ya Bastid.You said that the Ghostface album was trash, and the D12 album was ok...ergo, the D12 album is, in your opinion, better than Ghostface's, no?

Also, can you two drop the insults? Cheers m8s.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Also, can you two drop the insults? Cheers m8s.

But, but...

I was holding up 4 u..

Cause, ur my boy..

:rolleyes:

[spanish announce table]

When does "Whats wrong with Bill?" come out? Or has it already been released?

[QuietStorm]

Came out yesterday I think. The Vast Aire album did too, I might want to pick that up. Or burn it. :$

[QuietStorm]

Came out yesterday I think. The Vast Aire album did too, I might want to pick that up. Or burn it. :$
That would have been two days ago, retroactive to the day I wrote it. :)

[Kris P. Lettus]

That would have been two days ago, retroactive to the day I wrote it. :)

I was gonna say, "don't cd's (dvds, etc) tend to come out Tuesdays??"..

[Deka]

Most albums are repetitive rehashes of stuff we've already heard. But, then, there are those few that bring something different to the game. Oh, and that reminds me. Who else get's tired of hearing every artist say, "Yeah, man. You know, with this album right here I was just kinda tryin' to be bring somethin' different to the game, ya know what I'm sayin'. Just tryin' to do somethin' nobody has done. And when you listen to this album you gon' see it's not like anything else out there. You know what I'm sayin'." Then you hear the album and it sounds like some mainstream, heard-it-before crap. Only albums I think that really bring something fresh are Outkast - "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below", N.E.R.D. - "Fly or Die", and Method Man's new album (don't know the name yet).

[QuietStorm]

I'm sick of hearing "Vinnie Paz daddy" after every Jedi Mind Tricks track.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Most albums are repetitive rehashes of stuff we've already heard. But, then, there are those few that bring something different to the game. Oh, and that reminds me. Who else get's tired of hearing every artist say, "Yeah, man. You know, with this album right here I was just kinda tryin' to be bring somethin' different to the game, ya know what I'm sayin'. Just tryin' to do somethin' nobody has done. And when you listen to this album you gon' see it's not like anything else out there. You know what I'm sayin'." Then you hear the album and it sounds like some mainstream, heard-it-before crap. Only albums I think that really bring something fresh are Outkast - "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below", N.E.R.D. - "Fly or Die", and Method Man's new album (don't know the name yet).

:wtf:

Buy a clue...or a real Hip Hop album...

[Simon]

Na Krispy I know what he means, a lot of mainstream artists come with that kind of soundbyte for the album, that their work is original, and then the album is generic trash. Off the top of my head, Cassidy, Nelly, Clipse and Kanye all said something similar about their albums, and only Kanye's comment was really justified, and even then it wasn't exactly the most original CD in the World.

But at the end of the day, there's so much hip-hop coming out nowadays that it's hard to be original, without taking the originality a step too far (IMO) and turning out something bizarre like The Love Below, which isn't even a hip-hop album really. You have to dig pretty deep to find originality nowadays, the last really original album I heard was Revolutionary Warfare Volume 2, I'd not seen an album so obsessed with conspiracy theories and the like before.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Off the top of my head, Cassidy, Nelly, Clipse and Kanye all said something similar about their albums

And when any of their albums are considered "real" Hip Hop, your post will mean something...

:cool:

[Simon]

Ay! I'm just pointing out what the guy was saying. That Cassidy video with R. Kelly creeps me the fuck out, R. Kelly's mask...:barf:

[Fro]

A prank from the MTV show “Punk’d” has reportedly gone wrong when host Ashton Kutcher and crew attempted to trick Black Eyed Peas into a fake arrest. According to published reports, the BEP entourage began fighting with the shows fake cops after the attempted apprehension within a sex brothel.

Neither Kutcher nor show producers anticipated that the fun-loving group would actually physically fight the “officers” during the practical joke.

Will.I.Am, lead rapper in the group, was party to the joke and when “officers” tried to arrest him, the star a BEP entourage member struck the “police” in the face. The show crew immediately stopped the prank and explained they were taping a hidden camera show, a notion that wasn’t well received.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good shit.

Source: allhiphop.com

[Kris P. Lettus]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good shit.

Source: allhiphop.com

hhahaahahahaahahaah'

:yes:

[Simon]

:rofl:

[QuietStorm]

Crooked I signed with Universal to distribute his albums under Dynasty records, so look for him to actually get an album or two out sometime relatively soon.

[spanish announce table]

Holy crap, "A Day at the Races" by Jurassic 5 and Percee P has to be one of the tightest songs ever in terms of flow. Percee P and Chali 2na absolutely wreck the track.

[QuietStorm]

Percee P has always been pretty badass with the flow.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Holy crap, "A Day at the Races" by Jurassic 5 and Percee P has to be one of the tightest songs ever in terms of flow. Percee P and Chali 2na absolutely wreck the track.

Send that shit to me on AIM sometime...

:yes:

Charlie 2Na is the man...

[Mr. Boombastic]

I am a huge Nas fan and I was wondering if anybody has the 10th anniversary Illmatic release and if the remixes are good

[jesus sucks]

the remaster and the rexixes are both good.

pretty toney story is my fav album of the year so far i think, every song is a tune! theres some good stuff coming out at the moment, im glad that ruff rydery def jammy sound has gone from like 1999 when everything sounded the same. the music coming out now is quality :D :mad: :D

[Simon]

Meth's new album is a total embarassment. That's three below-average solo albums he's released now. I said it before and I'll say it again, the guy can't hold down 60 minutes on his own :no:

[Hack]

Tical, while not near the masterpiece of some other solo Wu albums, is still pretty damn good. When Meth's style was still fresh and RZA was sticking to producing, that was a solid duo.

[QuietStorm]

Maybe his solo career would have started out a bit better if Rza's studio had never flooded.

He still has never been my taste. He ranks like 6th or 7th for me as far as Wu members go. But I haven't ever been much of a fan of any Wu members except for Raekwon and Rza's production. And then Raekwon released a couple so-so albums in a row and Rza has gone downhill in my opinion so there isn't much I like that is Wu-related anymore.

[Hack]

Maybe his solo career would have started out a bit better if Rza's studio had never flooded.

He still has never been my taste. He ranks like 6th or 7th for me as far as Wu members go. But I haven't ever been much of a fan of any Wu members except for Raekwon and Rza's production. And then Raekwon released a couple so-so albums in a row and Rza has gone downhill in my opinion so there isn't much I like that is Wu-related anymore.


Yeah, on his own, he isn't near the top of my list. But when I'm listening to something by the entire Clan, his verses are definately always highlights. In small doses, he's the man.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Yeah, on his own, he isn't near the top of my list. But when I'm listening to something by the entire Clan, his verses are definately always highlights. In small doses, he's the man.


Tical is still the shit.. Tical 2000 was just watered down with WAY too many tracks.. If they had shortened it to like 12 songs, it would've owned.. Haven't heard the new one..

I agree his best shit is with others..

Blackout is still his best work to date...

[Suno]

Man Tical 'below average'? Lay off the crack man that albums the shizneeeet!

Just RELEASE....

YO DELF!!!!!

[Deka]

A prank from the MTV show “Punk’d” has reportedly gone wrong when host Ashton Kutcher and crew attempted to trick Black Eyed Peas into a fake arrest. According to published reports, the BEP entourage began fighting with the shows fake cops after the attempted apprehension within a sex brothel.

Neither Kutcher nor show producers anticipated that the fun-loving group would actually physically fight the “officers” during the practical joke.

Will.I.Am, lead rapper in the group, was party to the joke and when “officers” tried to arrest him, the star a BEP entourage member struck the “police” in the face. The show crew immediately stopped the prank and explained they were taping a hidden camera show, a notion that wasn’t well received.

who knew BEP was so gangsta... :dunno:

[QuietStorm]

Old news. I'd bang the shit out of that girl they have though.

[Deka]

Hell yeah. Much agreed.

[jesus sucks]

Tical is still the shit.. Tical 2000 was just watered down with WAY too many tracks.. If they had shortened it to like 12 songs, it would've owned.. Haven't heard the new one..

I agree his best shit is with others..

Blackout is still his best work to date...

I agree with this. Like everyne else though tical was my least favourite of the first phase of wutang even though it was class, and method mans not near my fav members of the wu either. i think he's only very popular with people who havent heard much clan, altho his new single is good. :yes:

[Simon]

I'm setting up an interview with Blak Twang right now :hyper::hyper::hyper:

[QuietStorm]

Speaking of interviews.....


Exclusive Canibus-Central Interview With Mr. Magnaminous Jeymes Samuel

1. Who is Jeymes Samuel and what is he about?

I’m a musician who hails from London. I find it hard to define myself because I feel that none of us truly know who we are, but I can tell you what drives me… expression. Expression in all forms. Music is the forum in which I’ve always felt most comfortable expressing myself so as long as I feel I have something to express, I’ll always call myself a musician.

2. We’ve heard that your upcoming album ‘Urban Folk Music’ is going to be more folk than Hip-Hop – how do you plan on amalgamating both styles?

They’re always amalgamated in my eyes. My album isn’t what I call Hip-Hop at all but it does fall within the Hip-Hop culture because it is that culture which we are all children of. I’m just an artist who walks in a different direction musically from others because I am an individual and that direction I call “Urban Folk Music”. So you will hear 40 piece orchestras on my album accompanying just my vocal, or you’ll hear Ayatollah lacing a track accompanying me, but it all falls within the umbrella called Hip-Hop.

3. We’ve heard ‘Who Write The Songs’ and we’ve seen the video; but what I want to know is, how did you and Canibus first come together?

Me and Bis first met in London, a few years back and then we bumped into each other in NY when I was recording. Through our love for the arts and our philosophies, a bond was formed, and all the things we’ve done so far are a direct result of that bond.

4. You’ve got an album coming with Canibus called “The Urbs,” can you give us some detail on this and a tentative timeline on when to expect it?

Yeah, “The Urbs” is going to be a sick joint man. Canibus is a workaholic, so I give him a track, he has 3 finished verses in a split sec. I have the same work ethic I think, so the album should be out shortly after my debut. So expect the jawn by the years end. It’s featuring Me, Bis, Ayatollah and Vinia Mojica with a slew of others. There’s going to be some surprises on that joint.

5. For those of us who’ve never had the privilege, tell us what’s like working with Canibus in the studio?

Sick! Bis is probably one of the true genius’ in Hip-Hop. His ability to retain info is uncanny. You will sit with him 2 in the morning and he will be telling you about different areas on the Moon. Ok, the night before we did “Who Write The Songs” I was in his crib (if you can call a 14 or so room house a crib!!) and he was telling me about this equation by this scientist called Minkovski. He was drawing it out on a piece of paper and then telling me what it meant when it was implemented and how it affected science at the time. Then he was telling me what was going on the decade the equation was formulated and how peeps responded to it. He hadn’t written his rhyme for the song at this point, we were just talking about the human condition and other weird tish. The next day, we were in the studio and Bis spat the rhymes which I’m sure you know by now. Then he said, “I’m the living creation of the equation Minkovski formulated with an automated overbite” Then he looked at me and winked. The guy is incredible man, you literally have to see it to believe it. And he does everything in one take. No punches.

6. There’s been allot of talk that Canibus consults “books” when he writes his rhymes – any truth in that?

As my mother would say, that is complete and utter horse trot (laughs). I heard a rapper say that about Bis one time, and I never knew him then, and I thought… what if he doesn’t? Well I know Bis now and I’m here to tell you that he doesn’t. He literally has all of that information in his head. And he never forgets anything. The reason people say that is because what he rhymes about and his vocabulary are so far beyond people’s comprehension that as far as they’re concerned, he must be getting that info out of dictionaries and stuff, but anyone who converses with Bis will tell you that he is well informed and is easily the most well read person I know.

7. Most people only know Canibus as the serious type, but you hung-out with him during his stay in London so can you tell us a hilarious moment both of you shared?

There’s so many. Okay, one is when this guy pulled up to me who I haven’t seen in years. He’s like an O.G where we grow up, but I happen to know he fancied himself as an emcee back in the day, but I was like the only one he told back then. So at first he was speaking and because Bis was there, this guy’s voice was all deep and attitude having. Next minute, I was telling him that I remembered back in 89 when he thought he was a rapper, and I started spewing out one of his verses and teasing him, because my memory is SICK. I’ve never seen a grown man act so embarrassed, and Bis was laughing his head off. That tish was hilarious. He was going “Please Jeymes stop!!! Not in front of him PLEEEEEAAASSSEEE!!! Even the guy had to find it funny. It’s like you think you’re a good painter and next minute you’re in front of Van Gogh.

8. I understand MTV USA has accepted the ‘Who Write The Songs’ video, when can the US audience expect to see this on rotation?

Hopefully this week. The closed captioned BETA was delivered to MTV Friday, so you’ll be seeing it this week or so. The more peeps request it, the more it’s gon’ get played. I’m really happy that It’s my project that put Bis visually back in the mass public’s eye.

9. Do you and Canibus have any plans on doing appearances in the US to promote the song? If so, where will people be able to see you guys?

Most definitely. Peeps are organising P.A’s and promo for us now. You’re gonna see Bis come back in a BIG way man. The plans he is currently implementing are gonna see Bis exactly where we want him to be. And that isn’t to say that he isn’t satisfied with where he is now, but I for one know this man has so many ideas musically and visually that he deserves proper backing so all of us can experience the whole Canibus persona in THX 1138 Widescreen 35mm format, so to speak.

10. On a closing note, when can people pick up your album ‘Urban Folk Music’?

Late Summer. I have a couple more singles to drop. Another video is dropping out here in the next two weeks or so. I promise you this, no one is likely to hear an album like mine anytime soon. Sonically, it’s in a class of its own. “Urban Folk Music” is the blueprint and I promise you that if nothing else, by the time I’m finished, peeps will acknowledge Jeymes Samuel as an individual born out of a time of conformity.


Interview by Efective.

[Kris P. Lettus]

How's the new Mos Def??

Send it my way??

:heart:

[Simon]

I'm so stealing that first question. I've been struggling for an hour to come up with a good opener.

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, it only has a couple decent songs in my opinion and only five tracks total. But then again I have always been more of a Kweli fan.

I'll send you the bonus track on the JMT deluxe edition of Violent By Design too. Stoupe's production on it is :eek:.

[Deka]

Just picked up J-Kwon's, 'Hood Hop', where he claims to be introducing the hood to pop and pop to the hood. Well, it's a very good party album to say the least. Don't know about innovation, though. Not much of a different sound, but still a very good sound. It has some great tracks to bump in your car. Good album all around if you like to party or just like music that makes you get up shake somethin'. I know it had me gettin' tispy. :yes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Any decent shit come out over the past couple of weeks niggas?

*Aimed at the ones with taste only, you know who you are*

:yes: :yes:

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah, get Eamon's new shit.

4 real :heart:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Any decent shit come out over the past couple of weeks niggas?

*Aimed at the ones with taste only, you know who you are*

:yes: :yes:

I'm still pondering getting the new Meth shit..

:ashamed:

You know, fan of ten years and all..

:dunno:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Nah, I ain't even gonna ponder that shit!

[Simon]

Yeah, F that S!

:blah:

Get Non-Phixion's Green CD and Necro's Brutality Part 1.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Non-Phixions new shit yeah?

[Simon]

Yeah, it's pretty good. If you can get hold of it, I'll Bill's new CD is great too, but it pisses me off that he's tried to make his voice deeper

[QuietStorm]

Illogic. Celestial Clockwork. Why don't you people listen?

Am I too underground backpackerish for y'all? :$

[Raw Is Jonathan]

BLOODY BACKPACKER!

Speak backpacker to me though, I've liked a lot of the shit you've suggested in the past...

[spanish announce table]

I finally got Pitch Black's album, and it was ok. Nothing comes close to the greatness of "It's all real", but there are some pretty dope tracks. DG is probably the best MC out of the whole group. Check out his verse on "R U ready for this?" featuring Busta Rhymes. Friggin awesome. On an album with only 13 tracks, its a shame they let friggin Teddy Riley produce 2 songs. Those songs suck major ass. Overall, it was decent. Probably a low 7/10.

I also picked up "Hell on earth" by Mobb Deep. I'm digging the tracks with Raekwon and Method Man. "Still Shining" is ill too.

[Simon]

Hell On Earth is the shit...Drop A Gem On Em is one of the best beats I've ever heard

[Assface]

Anybody kno where i can pick up the Kanye songs that were not released with College Dropout...I wonder how Mr.Backpack rapper is gon back dis album up with his second release.

[Cross Out The Eyes]

Great thread. Some people in here don't know their hip-hop, but it's all good. Most of you have some nice reviews though, and good taste.

I'm not reviewing anything, but I'll list some absolute classics.. nothing less than ***** each. If you haven't heard one of these, go check it out for sure

Wu-Tang Clan - 36 Chambers
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
GZA - Liquid Swords
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Nas - Illmatic
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die
2pac - Makaveli (7 Day Theory)
A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory/Midnight Marauders
Ice Cube - Amerikkkas Most Wanted
Anything from Gangstarr
Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik/ATLiens

there's plenty more, thats just a quick list off the top off my head.. ill be back with some more

[Kris P. Lettus]

Anybody kno where i can pick up the Kanye songs that were not released with College Dropout...I wonder how Mr.Backpack rapper is gon back dis album up with his second release.

Kanye is not "backpacker" shit...

[Simon]

Great thread. Some people in here don't know their hip-hop, but it's all good. Most of you have some nice reviews though, and good taste.

I'm not reviewing anything, but I'll list some absolute classics.. nothing less than ***** each. If you haven't heard one of these, go check it out for sure

Wu-Tang Clan - 36 Chambers
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
GZA - Liquid Swords
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Nas - Illmatic
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die
2pac - Makaveli (7 Day Theory)
A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory/Midnight Marauders
Ice Cube - Amerikkkas Most Wanted
Anything from Gangstarr
Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik/ATLiens

there's plenty more, thats just a quick list off the top off my head.. ill be back with some moreI have all of them, mwahahaha me = awesome :cool:...uhh yeah anyway.

I'd add The Score, Capital Punishment, Lifestylez Ov Da Poor And Dangerous, The Slim Shady LP, Me Against The World, Life After Death, Revolutionary Warfare Vol. 2, Mama Said Knock You Out, The Chronic, Doggystyle, Hell On Earth, I Am..., Attack Of The Attacking Things, At The Speed Of Life, Mecca And The Soul Brother, Internal Affairs, Black On Both Sides, Mos Def And Talib Kweli Are Black Star, The Future Is Now...and more...:D

[Assface]

Kanye is not "backpacker" shit...

Kanye is known as the backpack rapper...havent u seen him in mad videos with a backpack...he even has a MTV Diary called...Diary of a backpack Rapper....so what u tryin 2 say.. :wtf:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Picked up the green cd/dvd yesterday simone, listened to it only the once though so far...

:yes:

[Simon]

Kanye is known as the backpack rapper...havent u seen him in mad videos with a backpack...he even has a MTV Diary called...Diary of a backpack Rapper....so what u tryin 2 say.. :wtf:He doesn't fall under the category of backpacker hip-hop like Anticon, that's the point. You're arguing over nothing, you just have different understanding of what you mean by backpacker.

[Simon]

Picked up the green cd/dvd yesterday simone, listened to it only the once though so far...

:yes:You like? Get The Future Is Now if you haven't got it, it's even better :cool:

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Si, have you got Internal Affairs? They don't sell it in Southend, and last time I checked Amazon.com it was about $40.

[Simon]

Si, have you got Internal Affairs? They don't sell it in Southend, and last time I checked Amazon.com it was about $40.Yeah I got it a fair while back, in CD Warehouse :\ wasn't even expensive, I think it was £6.99 :D

[Kris P. Lettus]

He doesn't fall under the category of backpacker hip-hop like Anticon, that's the point. You're arguing over nothing, you just have different understanding of what you mean by backpacker.

Sage Francis, etc, etc, etc..

You'll never see and true Back Packer Hip Hop on Mtv..

[Cross Out The Eyes]

I have all of them, mwahahaha me = awesome :cool:...uhh yeah anyway.

I'd add The Score, Capital Punishment, Lifestylez Ov Da Poor And Dangerous, The Slim Shady LP, Me Against The World, Life After Death, Revolutionary Warfare Vol. 2, Mama Said Knock You Out, The Chronic, Doggystyle, Hell On Earth, I Am..., Attack Of The Attacking Things, At The Speed Of Life, Mecca And The Soul Brother, Internal Affairs, Black On Both Sides, Mos Def And Talib Kweli Are Black Star, The Future Is Now...and more...:D

Word, I agree with most of yours.. except I don't think I Am is classic.. nor is Internal Affairs, although both are very nice. It Was Written is better than I Am in my book, and that's still not *****. And SSLP might not cut my list either, but everything else I can't argue with. Don't know what Attack of the Attacking Things is though.. and by Revolutionary Warfare Vol. 2, is that Immortal Technique?

[Cross Out The Eyes]

Kanye is not "backpacker" shit...

Kanye's whole gimmick is that he's the first mainstream/underground rapper. He's one of the first artists to be accepted by both underground heads and the masses. His lyrics and gimmick are that of a backpack rapper who's also living luxurious. He often poses in photos with a backpack, or rocks one at a show, to push the backpacker image.

[Cross Out The Eyes]

Kanye is known as the backpack rapper...havent u seen him in mad videos with a backpack...he even has a MTV Diary called...Diary of a backpack Rapper....so what u tryin 2 say.. :wtf:

I don't think you know what you're talking about at all. And you're trying to back up your point by referencing an MTV show? :wtf:

[Simon]

Word, I agree with most of yours.. except I don't think I Am is classic.. nor is Internal Affairs, although both are very nice. It Was Written is better than I Am in my book, and that's still not *****. And SSLP might not cut my list either, but everything else I can't argue with. Don't know what Attack of the Attacking Things is though.. and by Revolutionary Warfare Vol. 2, is that Immortal Technique?Yeah it's Immortal Technique...maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit with it, considering it's not even a year old (?), but it's a brilliant, brilliant album, and I'd consider it up there with the best. Attack Of The Attacking Things is Jean Grae - I think if the same album was released by a man, it'd be considered a classic, it's awesome.

I love It Was Written, but for me I Am... has more standout tracks. Small World is possibly my favourite Nas track, K-I-S-S-I-N-G is cheesy but excellent, Hate Me Now is just the sort of track that makes you want to jump about the place - when I saw Nas live in London this track got people bouncing more than any other. The collabos with Aaliyah, DMX and Scarface are all great, he managed to rehash NY State Of Mind and have it sound at least close to as good as one of the best hip-hop tracks ever made...there's no skip tracks on the album, for me that's the mark of something special. I'm surprised you don't think Internal Affaird is a classic, usually if someone's heard it, and is big into hip-hop, they name it as one of the classics. That's not meant in a 'you don't know your shit' kind of way, it's just usually the main reason that album doesn't get the credit it deserves is because it's so difficult to get hold of :D

SSLP, that's just a personal thing. That album is 'my shit', so to speak.

[Webbicho]

Kanye's whole gimmick is that he's the first mainstream/underground rapper. He's one of the first artists to be accepted by both underground heads and the masses. His lyrics and gimmick are that of a backpack rapper who's also living luxurious. He often poses in photos with a backpack, or rocks one at a show, to push the backpacker image.

Kayne loves the gold and the cars. (He may talk about how they will take over from your want to rap interestingly, but he still loves them.) Kayne is Bling, not backpacker. Maybe not Bling but far more Bling than backpacker. He dresses well for one...

Method man recorded half of his new album in "daddy's house" recording studio. Its obvious from the first second and has everything from bad beats, bad lyrics, to bad guest spots. If puffy breathing deeply over tracks isn't bad enough, we got Missy and Diddy. WHY? And Snoop. WHY? And why on the RedNMeth track. The RednMeth track was below par compared to blackout. It sounds like a west coast funk reject.

The album fucking sucks and I'm not gonna waste any more time explaining why unless someone defends it. Method didn't make the effort so why should I.

I hate Meth for this album. I mean I paid for it maan, fuck.

:no: 1/5 Meth has gone for the gold, and the way of the wack rapper.

[Fro]

Picked up No Said Date by Masta Killa yesterday. It's maaaad dope, definetly recommended. Its got every single Wu member on it, but the Masta doesn't get overshined. He steps up and delivers some great verses....some of his best yet. I would say it is on the same level as the new Ghostface. Cop it.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Picked up No Said Date by Masta Killa yesterday. It's maaaad dope, definetly recommended. Its got every single Wu member on it, but the Masta doesn't get overshined. He steps up and delivers some great verses....some of his best yet. I would say it is on the same level as the new Ghostface. Cop it.

I'll pick that shit up Thursday..

What'd you think of the new Rebel INS and GFK??

[Kris P. Lettus]

p.s.anyone got/heard the new North Star??

RZA produced the whole thing..

:dunno:

[QuietStorm]

There is a new Deck album out? I did not know that.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Picked up No Said Date by Masta Killa yesterday. It's maaaad dope, definetly recommended. Its got every single Wu member on it, but the Masta doesn't get overshined. He steps up and delivers some great verses....some of his best yet. I would say it is on the same level as the new Ghostface. Cop it.

:heart:

Can't wait for it's release over here, think it's Monday yeah?

Didn't feel the new GFK that much :\ Just something about it, couldn't get into it like.

New Rebel INS? Will have to check that shit out too...

Yeah, Simone, feeling Non-Phixion, started listening to it again last night, proper :yes:

Wouldn't say Revolutionary Vol. 2 can be considered a classic yet.

Jean Grae, worth copping?

[jesus sucks]

the 2nd boogie down productions album 'by all means necessary' is rapidly moving up to maybe being in my top ten favourite albums. ive always thougt it was a great album but now i just think its fucking unbelievable! got it about 4 years ago and it just keeps sounding better. the lyrics and the way he flows on part time sucka is just fuckin, i dunno what to say :D if you havent heard this song and the entire album go onto amazon and just buy it without thinking for whatever price it costs these days.

[spanish announce table]

What are the best tracks on 'No Said Date'? Who has the best verse?

[Simon]

Jean Grae, worth copping?Definitely...best female rapper's album ever, IMO...makes even The Miseducation look pretty dull by comparison.

Also, I take back everything I've ever said negative about Jadakiss...he finally delivered with his new album, it's fucking brilliant. The mixtape is nice too.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Supposedly, Jada lives round here now a days...

[QuietStorm]

OMG. The two new Jus Allah tracks are so awesome. He is pure evil. Makes me want to punch someone.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Anyone listen to Brother Lynch Hung??

[QuietStorm]

Jus Allah is more evil. :)

[Kris P. Lettus]

Who's that??

[QuietStorm]

He was in Jedi Mind Tricks for Violent By Design and then he quit. I could send you Chess King, Severed & Split, and Reign of the Lord if you want. Divide & Conquer too if you want. Hell, I could send you pretty much ever track he has ever been on.

[Kris P. Lettus]

That'd be nice...

I've only every heard a few Jedi Mind Tricks tracks...

[QuietStorm]

Alright, next time I see you on I'll hook you up. Or you can just send me a message if I don't see you on. The SN is PoisonPenned now.

Ok, off to write my long groupie email to Canibus.

[QuietStorm]

New PackFM album to feature Immortal Technique.....


PackFM Defines The Hip Hop Standard With New Single, New Shows!
Words: Dove

PackFM New Single "Forevershine" Coming June 29th! New Shows For Summer!

New York's accomplished battle veteran PackFM is channeling his raw freestyle energy into his upcoming debut album, whatduzFMstand4? coming Fall 2004 on Qn5 Music. The first single from the project, "Forevershine”, features cuts from Rock Steady Crew’s DJ JS-1 and was produced by Kno of the QN5 family. Both “Upclose and Personal” featuring Substantial of Extended F@mm and “Set It Up” featuring Chicago’s freestyle phenom J.U.I.C.E. were produced by the multi-talented Tonedeff, who is also Executive Producer of whatduzFMstand4?

Additional guest appearances on the album will include iCON the Mic King, Mecca, Pumpkinhead, Poison Pen, Breez Evahflowin, Immortal Technique, while Domingo, Frequency, J-Zone, Static, and PackFM himself round out the production.

If you were at the show featuring Ghostface, Cormega, Breez Evaflowin, and PackFM at Knitting Factory on Sunday June 6th, then you already know the energy that PackFM brings to the stage! He's got a few shows this summer, so be sure to catch him:

6/11 - Brooklyn, NY @ The 5 Spot (459 Myrtle Avenue, Clinton Hill) PackFM's All-Star Birthday Celebration With Live Performances by: PackFM, Pumpkinhead, Hydra, Many Styles, Mecca, Poison Pen, Breez Evahflowin, Substantial, iCON the Mic King, Three Kings, Session, Ocean, and more special guests Doors at 8pm, $10 // Ladies Free!!! Directions: www.fivespotsoulfood.com (http://www.fivespotsoulfood.com/)

6/13 - Boston, MA @ The Middle East (472/480 Mass Ave) End Of The Weak Open-Mic - with Performances by PackFM, Breez Evahflowin, Slaine, Mecca, Virtuoso, and more... Hosted by Big Zoo, Vice Verses and Prolific Wone Doors at 9pm, Admission: $8 Before 10pm // $10 After www.endoftheweak.com (http://www.endoftheweak.com/)

6/19 - NYC @ Nuyorican Poets Cafe (236 East 3RD St / F Train to 2nd Ave.) Rocky Presents: WORDS Hip Hop & Poetry Showcase & Open Mic with Performances by PackFM, Evolution, Oktober, Cheif, Kayo Doors at 10pm, Admission: $10 with Invitation, $12 w/o

7/5 - NYC @ Joe's Pub - "Forevershine" Release Party featuring special guest performances TBA

For the "Forevershine MP3", go to: http://www.tygereye.net/packfm (http://www.tygereye.net/packfm) Deejays: For vinyl contact packfm@qn5.com

PackFM Bio What does FM stand for? That is the question that PackFM hopes you will seek to answer on his debut full-length project whutduzFMstand4? This young Brooklyn MC is already off to an exceptional start in his musical career, and he is ready to take on the world.

In 1997 his first recorded song, “Hit List”, was played on New York’s Hot 97’s now defunct Home Jams show. The song became an underground hit, and was played for four consecutive weeks during the final month of the Home Jams show. It created considerable buzz among underground Hip Hop heads in New York. In May of ‘98 he also appeared on the B-side single “Lifestyles of the Poor Wit’ a Fortune”, which was released by Ope Entertainment. "I was influenced by acts like A Tribe Called Quest, EPMD, and Big Daddy Kane," explains PackFM, "so every time I make a song my goal is to make music the way they imagined Hip Hop to be fifteen years later"

PackFM began his distinguished battle career early, including such titles as ‘88HipHop MC Battle Champion’, which he held for four undefeated months until retiring and being placed in their Hall Of Fame. He was the last man standing out of 32 MC's in the legendary ‘Braggin’ Rites’ tournament. In 1999 he swept the competition at ‘Next Generation Battle’ at the Nuyorican Poets Café. He also won the TDK sponsored ‘24 Hour MC Battle’ an astounding three months in a row, and was featured along with previous winners in XXL Magazine.

In 2000, PackFM collaborated with Tonedeff to compete in the Napster/Rapstation.com ‘Power To The People And Beats’ contest. Their track was chosen among the top six out of over 80 contestants. That same year he was a finalist in the Rock Steady Crew’s annual MC Battle, and then placed 2nd out of 100 MCs in the Source Magazine’s ‘Unsigned Hype Live MC Battle Tournament’. After that huge accomplishment, he took a long break from battling, only to return for a triumph in the 2003 ‘Everlast Harlem Lyricist Championship’.

Countless victories in the battle circuit caught the attention of a few independent filmmakers. PackFM was featured in the award-winning Dutch documentary Kika NY, and appeared in the acclaimed independent film Freestyle alongside Pharoahe Monch, Mos Def, Supernatural, The Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac. Freestyle was featured in the Sundance Film Festival in 1999, and received praise from the critics for it’s raw portrayal of hardcore battle emcees.

Although an accomplished battle rapper and performer, PackFM is out to prove that there are still talented live MC's who can make classic songs. "I haven’t been in a battle in well over a year, but people still remember me from the battles rather than my records,” he says. “So many people feel that MC's who are good at battling and freestyling are incapable of making records, which isn’t always true...there is so much more that I'm capable of.”

Not only has PackFM proven his talents in the battle circuit, but he has consistently shown his ability to move the crowd on stage, performing alongside some of Hip Hop’s finest, including M.O.P., Rahzel, Mad Skillz, Heltah Skeltah, Brand Nubian, the Beatnuts, Slick Rick and Common, just to name a few.

Often described as witty and crafty, his clever lyricism has been featured on various projects and 12”s, including his debut SOLO 12” single, “Freestyle Marathon”. He came together with Tonedeff, Substantial and Session as Extended F@mm to release the highly acclaimed EP Happy F*ck You Songs. The EP created such a strong buzz, it earned the foursome a feature in ‘Off the Radar’ in the Source Magazine’s March 2003 issue. He was also featured prominently in spots on MTV’s Hip Hop Week with Wordsworth and fellow QN5 label mates Tonedeff and Mecca.

Additionally he has headlined and released a popular series of mixtapes entitled Featured Material, Volumes 1 and 2. Featured Material Volume 3 drops late June 2003, and features Jean Grae, Last Emperor, Bad Seed, Tonedeff and J.U.I.C.E.

whutduzFMstand4? Is a break from the trend of slaphappy raps and sugary beats that has flooded the industry as of late. The album will be released in Fall 2004, with the lead single “Forevershine,” b/w “Upclose and Personal” featuring Substantial of Extended F@mm and “Set It Up” featuring Chicago's freestyle phenom J.U.I.C.E., dropping in June 2004.

http://www.packfm.com (http://www.packfm.com/)

URL: http://www.manhunt.com/news/stories/1086714775.html

[QuietStorm]

I just finished talking with iCON the Mic King, an underground hip hopper from Philly, on AIM just a few minutes ago. Everyone should pick up his new CD, the Intricate Spectrum EP. It is definitely worth it and I have only heard the snippets so far. It will only put you back 10 bucks. Unfortunately the dude is best known for being suckerpunched by Vinnie Paz for stealing the Icon part of his name I guess. Paz is such an idiot. But I hear he is a nice guy from those who have met him. :yes:

Anyways, back to iCON the Mic King.....

Here is the majority of his work that is worth picking up. You will have a hell of a time trying to download it and I can pretty much tell you it will be impossible to download the Intricate Spectrum EP for a long while. Simon and anyone else, I can send you "Ahead of My Time" (produced by Tonedeff and Kno) and "Ides of March" off of Rent Money Music if you want it.

Rent Money Music: " Much like PackFM's "Featured Material" series or Tonedeff's "Hyphen" EP, iCON has collected various guest appearances, freeverses, radio drops, and songs that otherwise be homeless on one CD.
The release featues: Jin, Breez Evahflowin, Poison Pen, Pumpkinhead, Extended F@mm, Cunninlynguists, Mecca, Kameel-yen, Elite, Squijee, Shambhala, and NOBS. Features production from Cheapshot, Kno, Trends, Zeeby Zeeb, The Moth, Surge Cess, Malak Akbar, and Shambhala."

Intricate Spectrum EP: "iCON's debut EP featuring no one BUT iCON the Mic King. Beats from Mr. Burns, Chum the Skrilla Guerilla, Zeeby Zeeb, DJ Trends, Amplifya, Lazarus Divine, and Godamus Rhyme."

IndieInBurns single: iCON's second 12" featuring C-Rayz Walz with production by Blockhead (of Aesop Rock fame). IndieInBurns ft. C-Rayz Walz (prod Blockhead) b/w You Don't Want It" (prod Zeeby Zeeb) & "Art Imitates Life"(prod Black Panther)


www.iconthemicking.com (http://www.iconthemicking.com/)

[QuietStorm]

Since you people aren't discussing anything...

I'll just post my top ten producers at the moment.

1. Stoupe (Jedi Mind Tricks)
2. Kno (Cunninlynguists)
3. Blockhead (Aesop Rock)
4. RJD2
5. Blueprint (Illogic)
6. Kanye West
7. Tonedeff
8. J.J Brown (Louis Logic)
9. Kyros (MiClub: The Curriculum)
10. Hi-Tek

[DGAF]

Anyone here knows what Lil' Scrappy's date of birth is..

i've been wondering that for awhile now.

[QuietStorm]

Lil' Who? :confused:

[DGAF]

Ya know, Lil' jons new solo artist? Lil' Scrappy

The prince of crunk, head bussa, OH KKK...any of this ring a bell?

[QuietStorm]

Nope. I don't fucks with Little John.

[DGAF]

man, you better jump on this crunk bandwagon before it's too late! :)

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Yo, a man shouldn't have to walk out of HMV empty handed when he went to pick up Masta Killa :mad:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Ah bollocks, it ain't out till next week.

:(

Wankers.

[QuietStorm]

Masta Ace is better anyways. :\

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Yeah?

[QuietStorm]

Meh, it's only my opinion (which is rarely agreed with) but yeah, Masta Ace has been doing his thing for a very long time. If you want to check out something a little more recent of his give Disposable Arts a look. Or the "Seasons" track he is featured on with Cunninlynguists.

[Seanny One Ball]

Bought the new Meth and Ghostface albums, disappointed by both but to be honest they're both pretty far away from being bad albums.

I was hoping Ghostface would be doing his crazy thing but he didn't :(

[Cross Out The Eyes]

Bought the new Meth and Ghostface albums, disappointed by both but to be honest they're both pretty far away from being bad albums.

I was hoping Ghostface would be doing his crazy thing but he didn't :(

What do you mean? Ghost's album was ridiculous, you must've not been hearing the same shit.. there were hardly any bad tracks

Meth on the other hand, was a big disapointment

[QuietStorm]

Sade has been working with Jeymes Samuel and Canibus to lay down some vocals for their album. Ummm...that's all. :$

[CollegeGraduate]

anyone heard lloyd banks Hunger for more? I think it is decent. Some quality tracks on there. What do you guys think of it?

[DGAF]

I was hoping Ghostface would be doing his crazy thing but he didn't :(

i don't have the album, but i heard the track "Metal Lungies" and i liked it

it almost convince me to get the album..but naaahhhh.

[QuietStorm]

anyone heard lloyd banks Hunger for more? I think it is decent. Some quality tracks on there. What do you guys think of it?Why do you idiots buy into the shitty G-Unit hype and leave someone like say, Brother Ali, completely unnoticed?

It is sickening. Kind of like my infatuation with Canibus.

[Seanny One Ball]

^^^ sickening but understandable ;)

Ghostface's album is shit hot after a few listens, I was drunk when I heard it the first few times so I dunno...maybe I wasn't paying attention cuz I was reading a book too.

I like Tush...it's a bloody good song (Y)

I bought Big L's "The Big Picture" purely because I heard Freestyle '98 a while ago and it's possibly my favourite freestyle of all time, and I do good freestyles myself!
Great album, the guy had a totally unique and impeccable flow and it's such an easy to listen to album as a result.

I also got D12 World and haven't listened to it yet, the only reason is that I'm in Canada right now and CD's are cheap as hell.

[QuietStorm]

Here's the scoop folks. Straight from Jeymes Samuel (only a select few know his identity on the C-C boards, he posts with a girl's name to keep himself on the down low):

Jeymes Samuel had the WWTS beat over 2 YEARS before INS. Ayatollah himself would concur. Ayatollah actually made that beat in 1997. Jeymes heard it on a beat CASSETTE (as far back as 1999) that belonged to super engineer Carlisle Young (who actually named Ayatollah. Before Carlisle, Tollah's name was Kool G). Tollah couldn't even FIND the floppy disk because he had made it so long before. Jeymes forced him to dig it up and WENT TO HIS CRIB TO HELP HIM. They found the tish buried under some old vinyl. Jeymes took it to the studio and vocaled the joint. It was originally to be called Battle Royale and was to feature Jeymes, Bis and Lord Have Mercy. Anyways, Jeymes finally vocaled the track and flew to ATL with Carlisle Young where they recorded Bis. This was in April 2001. That's how long before INS Jeymes' track was.

What happened according to Ayatollah was that Tollah had played the track to Black Shawn (Then Head Of A&R at Rawkus) so Black could release it as a twelve on his label. Black Shawn then played the joint for INS and sold it behind Tollah's back to INS and didn't even pay Tollah with the proceedings. It's obvious INS heard Jeymes' version because on his chorus he is saying "Who Got It?" as opposed to Jeymes' "I Got Those Baby", which is Jeymes quoting Ayatollah's most spoken phrase... "Don't sleep man, I got those".

Anyone who has any doubts need only to check the original slated release date for the Late Night Tales compilation or ask Ayatollah himself!! It is common knowledge whom the track belongs to because of the various people involved in the tracks recording in some way or another. 50 Cent's manager Sha Money XL was actually in the studio with Carlisle, Tollah and Jeymes when they were laying it down. Pharoahe Monch will also concur as Jeymes and Tollah met and gave him the instrumental of the joint long before it even had Canibus on it.

Jeymes Samuel could not be reached for comment... because Efective wasn't around at the time. Hey, Efective may indeed be Jeymes Samuel. I mean, they're never in the same place at the same time... interesting

[QuietStorm]

Tonedeff is the most talented spitter in hip hop. Discuss.

[QuietStorm]

Ok. Don't discuss. You all know he is the bestest apparently. So yeah, here is what I am currently feeling in hip hop. And then at the bottom is a Tonedeff mix that will fit on an 80-minute recordable CD. I have all those tracks on my computer so just holler at me on AIM (PoisonPenned) if you want it. Peace.

Just a few lists for you all to benefit from and get into some true hip hop, not the radio crap. Peace.

Top 10 Producers:

1. Stoupe (Jedi Mind Tricks/Babygrande)
2. Kno (Cunninlynguists/QN5)
3. Blockhead (Aesop Rock/Definitive Jux)
4. RJD2 (Definitive Jux)
5. Blueprint (Illogic/Weightless)
6. Kanye West
7. Tonedeff (QN5)
8. Domingo (QN5)
9. Kyros (MiClub: The Curriculum)
10. Hi-Tek

Top 10 Labels:

1. Definitive Jux
2. QN5
3. Rhymesayers
4. Anticon
5. MiClub (would be number one if there was anyone on it besides CANIBUS)
6. Babygrande
7. Weightless
8. Omnipotent
9. Indieground
10. Rocafella (ONLY because of Kanye West's production...God, I hate Jay-z. And Cam'ron is the most embarrassing figure in rap ever.)

Top 20 Hip Hoppers:

1. Aesop Rock
2. Canibus
3. Illogic
4. Tonedeff
5. Immortal Technique
6. Sage Francis
7. Chino XL
8. Talib Kweli
9. C-Rayz Walz
10. Murs
11. Ras Kass
12. Jus Allah
13. iCON the Mic King
14. KRS-One
15. Blueprint
16. Tech N9ne
17. Black Thought
18. Slug (of Atmosphere)
19. Eyedea
20. Sabac (of Non-Phixion)



Top 20 Hip Hop Songs (not of all time, just of the moment):

1. Canibus - Poet Laureate II
2. Chino XL - Never
3. Tonedeff Heavyweight
4. Ras Kass - Interview With A Vampire
5. Immortal Technique - The 4th Branch
6. Canibus - Curriculum 101
7. KRS-One - Hip Hop Knowledge
8. Illogic - Hate In a Puddle
9. Aesop Rock - Oxygen
10. Immortal Technique - Dance With the Devil (if you don't want shivers up your spine then keep away)
11. Jus Allah - Reign of the Lord
12. iCON the Mic King - Ides of March
13. Illogic ft. Blueprint - Favorite Things
14. Ras Kass - Nature of the Threat
15. Talib Kweli - Lonely People
16. Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution
17. Illogic - Wish He Would Make Me
18. Canibus - 100 Bars
19. Immortal Technique - Point of No Return
20. Jus Allah - Chess King


Tonedeff Mix:

TNT
Monotony
Love Ain't (Cunninlynguists)
Detonator
Line Drop (Extended F@mm)
Ride In, Ride Out
Spanish Song
Give a Damn
Velocity (Extended F@mm)
Frequency
Turn It Up
The Book of the Dead
Champ
Get Em High (track he is in the Guinness Book of World Records for, he raps 13.5 syllables per second)
Ridiculous
Mixtape Medley
Clear Em Out (KRS-One's original Nelly diss featuring Tone)
Coffee
Heads Up (Archetype track)
Heavyweight (the other newly released Archetype track, this is a MUST listen)

[spanish announce table]

I downloaded Gods Work and Risky Business by Murs, and I think he's pretty good. Any other recommendations?

[CollegeGraduate]

Why do you idiots buy into the shitty G-Unit hype and leave someone like say, Brother Ali, completely unnoticed?

It is sickening. Kind of like my infatuation with Canibus.


Damn, Someone gots their panties in a bunch. Why are you generalizing me into a group you jackass? I listen to all types of hip hop artists ranging from Talib Kweli, Mos Def to Eminem and YES lloyd banks. And By the way, I said lloyd banks album was decent. I stand by it. Fuck you and Cannibus. Ive seen Seventh graders push more units than Cannibus.


And Yeah, LL OWNS CANNIBUS for life even though he raps about lipstick and highheels.

[QuietStorm]

I downloaded Gods Work and Risky Business by Murs, and I think he's pretty good. Any other recommendations?Download The End of the Beginning. If not the whole album then just the title track. That album is his best work in my opinion.
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d) 'Chico & The Man' Becomes An LP - It's Bigger Than An EP!

http://www.tonedeff.com/pics/p_catm_02.jpgThere's been a bit of talk here and there about the upcoming joint project between Kno & Tonedeff called Chico & The Man (aka CATM).

Originally slated to be a an EP project, CATM would see a focused effort by both artists on 1 particular facet of the music - Namely, Tonedeff on the mic and Kno strictly on production. If you've ever listened to Tonedeff on anything Kno has done, you'd know why this record will be such a treat.

"We've decided to turn the EP into a full-blown album. The shit we've come up with is already worthy of more than just a collection of a couple songs." Tone says of the new project. "Kno is a fucking beast when it comes to producing full albums, so you know that this record is really going to push the boundaries - and that's something we love to do."

There is no release date for this project yet. But most likely, you'll hear the first hint of CATM on the upcoming Asterisk:Three compilation (Summer 04).

www.tonedeff.com (http://www.tonedeff.com/)

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And CollegeGraduate, chill man. You shouldn't even have made yourself worthy of a response but since I take all comers I guess I'll give you a moment. First off, there really isn't any difference in the artists you named other thano. Sure there are considerable talent differences but they are still all right in the public's eye. Try going a little deeper with your examples before trying to brag about your diverse knowledge in hip hop.

You are right. Canibus is horrible. I have said that many times before so I really don't get what you are trying to tell me. But since when did how many units sold become the basis of talent? I must have missed that memo. And just for your info, he has gone gold. That would be 500,000 plus albums sold and that only represents the number counted on Soundscan. But yeah, he sucks now. Selling only 50,000 per album independently is so pathetic.

So yes, Canibus may suck. But C-C still has the illest internet emcees to ever grace a hip hop forum. And you will never hear none of them. Because.........
You evil little man

I'm going out now but when I get back, you are so banned

:grumpy:
:shifty:

[CollegeGraduate]

Download The End of the Beginning. If not the whole album then just the title track. That album is his best work in my opinion.
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d) 'Chico & The Man' Becomes An LP - It's Bigger Than An EP!

http://www.tonedeff.com/pics/p_catm_02.jpgThere's been a bit of talk here and there about the upcoming joint project between Kno & Tonedeff called Chico & The Man (aka CATM).

Originally slated to be a an EP project, CATM would see a focused effort by both artists on 1 particular facet of the music - Namely, Tonedeff on the mic and Kno strictly on production. If you've ever listened to Tonedeff on anything Kno has done, you'd know why this record will be such a treat.

"We've decided to turn the EP into a full-blown album. The shit we've come up with is already worthy of more than just a collection of a couple songs." Tone says of the new project. "Kno is a fucking beast when it comes to producing full albums, so you know that this record is really going to push the boundaries - and that's something we love to do."

There is no release date for this project yet. But most likely, you'll hear the first hint of CATM on the upcoming Asterisk:Three compilation (Summer 04).

www.tonedeff.com (http://www.tonedeff.com/)

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And CollegeGraduate, chill man. You shouldn't even have made yourself worthy of a response but since I take all comers I guess I'll give you a moment. First off, there really isn't any difference in the artists you named other thano. Sure there are considerable talent differences but they are still all right in the public's eye. Try going a little deeper with your examples before trying to brag about your diverse knowledge in hip hop.

You are right. Canibus is horrible. I have said that many times before so I really don't get what you are trying to tell me. But since when did how many units sold become the basis of talent? I must have missed that memo. And just for your info, he has gone gold. That would be 500,000 plus albums sold and that only represents the number counted on Soundscan. But yeah, he sucks now. Selling only 50,000 per album independently is so pathetic.

So yes, Canibus may suck. But C-C still has the illest internet emcees to ever grace a hip hop forum. And you will never hear none of them. Because you are a fucking mainstream bitch. Punchline.


And its you wannabe underground hip hop fanatics that is one of the problems in hiphop today. I am not going to diss any underground talent because I know their is quaLity talent and people busting their ASS to get out of the underground. You do realize that all the artists you mention and blow air up their asses are attempting to make it into the mainstream right? So when they go mainstream are you gonna fall off their nuts? You dissing me for enjoying mainstream hiphop is amusing. For the record, I never based talent on record sales. If that was the case, Nelly would be one of the best hip hop artists in the game which is false. However, artists with repeated success and have had longterm stay in the game, talking about multiple albums, are some of the best artists. See Nas, Jay Z, Em, Talib Kweli, Krs One, and such. Indeed, Cannibus does suck. True, He posseses minor lyrical skill but who cares, LL still owns him.

P.S Just because I am not familiar with the more underground rappers does not make me less of a hip hop enthusiast than you. You're arrogrant attitude and self-rightousness is idiotic.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Hmmm, new Roots?

Anyone heard anything off it?

Will get anyway like.

Bastard Masta Killa best be out Monday, I do not appreciate wasting two Monday's going to HMV for nothing!

:mad:

Need to get some new underground shit... Hmm, he says Tonedeff, maybe wait for that one to come out.

*reads above list*

5. Immortal Technique
6. Sage Francis
8. Talib Kweli

Big fan of those three, give me two more names to work with. Illogic, sounds promising, give Simon a name of a song to download so he can then send it to me...

[QuietStorm]

True, He posseses minor lyrical skill but who cares, LL still owns him.

P.S Just because I am not familiar with the more underground rappers does not make me less of a hip hop enthusiast than you. You're arrogrant attitude and self-rightousness is idiotic.Yeah, because I was so serious with everything I said. And Canibus possessing "minor lyrical skill" just cracks me up. Are you high? Does anybody have more lyrics? Here is a small sampling. More to come later.



"Bury me at the beach is the sea is out of reach cuz when i spit what's fluid becomes concrete"

"Ain't too many categories I could fit in when it comes to spittin' cuz I'm over-qualified for the position"

"Gettin' in my way is like jumpin' in front of a car breakin' the sound barrier/ that means the car is in front of the horn/
By the time you feel it hit you it's too late to respond/
By the time you feel me hit you I'm gone"
"I'm the greatest scientifically inclined mind since Einstein/
I write blue ribbon rhymes for Nobel Prize time/
Tryin' to shine with the shit I invent/
I know I ain't perfect, but I'm 99.9 percent"

"The Canibus is an animal with a mechanical mandible/
Comin' to damage you, spittin' understandable slang at you/
I be the all seeing lyrical, hammerhead sharp peripheral"

"Sometimes I feel like killing myself, they’ve stolen my shine/
I wanted to be the illest for a moment in time"
"It's like I've been crucified, they Hate Me Now like Nas/
They punctured me through my side, the bleeding was cauterized/
I was revived after I died/
Only then I saw how I was truly admired and worshipped like a God"

"I turn ya love, peace and happiness into ya blood on a napkin in a ambulance/
Just the sound of my voice'll give you a positive urine analysis"

"Swingin' the guillotine, cause whenever the head is severed
from the human body with a sharp enough weapon/
The brain remains conscious for ten seconds/
Long enough for me to give you one last message/
And when you get to Hell you can tell Lucifer I said it"

"The name Canibus might as well be Cannibalism
Show me a man that can't feel him
I'll show you a man that'll grab him by the neck
and put his head to the fan on the ceiling
Suffer real "Banned From Television" ish
Drop him off the roof of a building and let the news film him
I hop in front of the cameras and tell 'em how I'm feeling
I tell 'em how I feel that hip-hop, should deal with it
Tell 'em how I'm tired of the state rappers in
Ninety percent of the shit that rappers kick is subject matterless
Not original, but blasphemous, just a bunch of the same characters
shooting the same videos, it's embarassing
Using the same formulas to have a hit
Using the same actors and actresses, same shit different laxative"

"Every word I utter for hip hop lovers
will reflect forever like two mirrors facing each other"

"Been rocking longer than niggas twice my age
Back in the days before Bob Marley was rockin' a fade
Before Honest Abe signed the paper that freed slaves
Before Neanderthals was drawing on walls in caves
I existed, in the garden of Eden gettin lifted
Stickin' dick to Eve before she was Adam's mistress
Before Christ created Christmas, I been in lyrical fitness
The Canibus is spittin' til he's spitless
50 bars of total sickness, you won't forget this
I'm puttin' every wack Emcee alive on my shit list
Verbally vicious, telekinetically gifted
Took you a minute to exhibit that I'm sick with it"

"Used to be a partisan to the market sense theory but I lost the bet
No regrets, you live and you learn
I'm through giving advice, I just give concerns
Sterilize my hands to prevent catching the germs
And try to rebuild all the bridges I burned"

"I speak at frequencies dogs would have trouble hearing
Canibus is the lyrical version of German engineering
Raw metaphors that keep you high for months
I could fly around the earth twice without refueling once
Ain't too many categories I could fit in
When it come to spittin'
Cuz I'm overqualified for tha position
The lazer guided lyrical hybrid
Creatin' scripts so sick,
I have to arm wrestle my pen to write it
Don't get excited
because if I ever catch one of you motherfuckers biting
We're going to be fist fighting
So motherfliper what you want?
I have the shotgun pumped
And if you feel like a frog nigga, then jump.
I possess the lyrical ammo to battle
and rip any one of you warm blooded mammals to shambles.
I'll make examples of you and eat a mouth full of your crew
The type of emcee you can't outdo
i'll battle you on the net
I'll battle you in the flesh
I'll battle you over the phone you can call me collect
I'll battle you for the respect
I'll battle you over a blank check
I'll battle you with a gun to my neck
I'll battle you standing over the toilet with my dick out
i'll battle you juggling a hand grenade with the pin out
In a stolen car with the pin number ripped out
Drinking a Guinness Stout
Doing a 360 spinout."

"I never said battling me would be impossible
I just think it's highly muthafuckin' improbable"

"The Earth got one sun but I walk with three shadows"

"Get everything I've ever rhymed to
Staple it together and you got a fuckin' bible"

"Couldn't understand what I mean by ill
unless you try to translate what I print to film"

"I hope God and the imagination are one
A Golden Tongue can achieve synchronicity with the Sun"

"Not possible, if I can't pronounce it, it ain't rhymeable
The audible probability probably ain't probable"
"From any and all dispositions
The fusion of what's written creates a fission called Canibusism"

"Punks wanna murder me
That's why my burgandy suburban be
full of secret service security
Transportin' me back and forth to the affirmative action university
in aircrafts that take off and land vertically
The fact that I ain't treated like a king is absurd to me
From the streets of dirty Jersey to Germany niggas heard a me"

"The secret of the ages, I illuminate with logic
what I speak is more than just deep it's bottomless
With common sense
I'm organized like crimes and mafias
Plus the way I rhyme is prime like optimus
The "rapologist", you can sit and do the knowledge with
your GED's to your degrees from Ivy league colleges
I'll politic with any magazine columnist
about topics other emcees won't even bother with
Rock solid shit like stones and monuments
It's obvious the the 3rd eye the obilesque is watchin' us
closely, through microscope and a pair of binoculars"

"An overdose that's extremely fatal
Doctors in white labcoats scramble for an antidote to save you
You can't breathe, your chest feels painful
Your skin color's goin' from dark brown to beige-blue
Your whole room's full of angels
All in your ear tryin' to tell you which God you should pray to
You pray to Jesus, but He don't wanna save you
Cuz you unfaithful, so He gives you to Azazel
You're paralyzed on the operating table
Prayin' for Canibus to slice you from head to navel"

"I'm the sickest linguistically illicit lyrical misfit in the business
And probably in existence. What's your consensus?
Study my own syntax statistics since '96
With CPA certified assistance
I made a decision that my standards are above precision
The only thing I can honestly say I love more than women
Are dope writtens. If it ain't dope then don't spit it
Don't be sensitive and get on the defensive
Just practice your penmanship
If you can't spit at high temperatures then just quit
Be careful of the tongue it tends to bend to the left
According to manufacturers specs you'll make a mess
And rupture the blood vessels in your neck fucking with Rip"

"As the universe expands
I contemplate whether it was God or the Big Bang that made man
Sometimes I wonder how come
We cant live without guns
What would of been the outcome if the South won
Think about that son
What in the hell caused the assassination of Malcolm
The federal communications commission listens to politicians in the position
to Make certain decisions like puttin minorities in prison
To decimating the population of women
It's called socialism
From the United States to the United Kingdom
Aahhkk, spit into the sky and extinguish the sun, but how come"

"Sometimes the truth is so illusive its confusing
And reality becomes illusion
If I showed you where we were at and where we were going
I'd upset the social balance of the world as we know it"
"So recognize or be hospitalized, cause lyrically on a scale of one to ten I'm twenty-five"

"I rip jackers, rip the time-space fabric
Loop the future with the past tense looking for patterns
Eradicate the Africans that sold Africans to Saxons
and forced black men to pay taxes"

"I possess the meta-physical power to hold my breath for half an hour
continuously breathing outwards
You ain't an emcee you a coward
I make weak rappers lose control of they bladder and piss in they trousers"

"Now if you take a glass of water then add two cubes of ice
you should see the cup's water level slightly rise, right?
You need to watch what I'ma show you
You need to look closely at what I'ma show you
If you remove every living animal out of the sea
then wouldn't the world's ocean water level decrease?"

"Elevating so high that whenever I drop shit
It'll land on the window of your aeroplane cockpit"

"Dead or alive, Canibus will live through the rhyme
To be the illest on the mic is a mission of mine
Spittin' divine, you can't get it twisted this time
Vocal with a mirror to make sure my lips are aligned"

"See the reason there's no light at the end of tunnel
Is cuz we're really not in a tunnel, we're trapped in a bubble"

"No ability, no extraocular motility
Silly emcees can't see me lyrically or visually
They'll never be better than me
I'll triple team 'em with a trinity severed to 3 and give 'em 9 enemies"

"I'm probably the most murderous, merciless
Version of a modern-day Capernicus the world has ever heard of yet
Cold blooded and rugged
Shove a gun turret to ya stomach and start bussin'
Til ya shittin' buckets and dry ice nuggets
Cold freestylin', cold rhymin'
Cold enough to freeze the mucus lining in ya sinus rock solid"
"Canibus is unequivocably the illest killin' machine in the industry
For the 20th century
Trapped in a max security building
Sufferin' from a severe illness called brilliance"

"I'm just a rap music mutant with a cool name
Misconstrued fame but I spit butane
Blue flames, out of giant C02 tanks
Demagnatized memory banks enhanced, advanced
One of a kind like modern mans retina scans
Quick as a glance or flickers from kerosene lamps"

"Mama said know who out?
I'll punch that bitch in the mouth
cause she don’t know what she talkin' about" (Had to add the LL one. LL may have gotten Bis blackballed but he sure didn't win the actual battle)

[QuietStorm]

Hmmm, new Roots?

Anyone heard anything off it?

Will get anyway like.

Bastard Masta Killa best be out Monday, I do not appreciate wasting two Monday's going to HMV for nothing!

:mad:

Need to get some new underground shit... Hmm, he says Tonedeff, maybe wait for that one to come out.

*reads above list*

5. Immortal Technique
6. Sage Francis
8. Talib Kweli

Big fan of those three, give me two more names to work with. Illogic, sounds promising, give Simon a name of a song to download so he can then send it to me...Tonedeff has two albums that should come out by the end of the year. Get Heavyweight from Simon. It was the first track released off Archetype a couple months ago.

And I'll send a couple Illogic tracks to Simon sometime. He is hard to get into at first but he has lyrics. He definitely has lyrics.

[spanish announce table]

If you guys are looking for some good Canadian hip-hop, check out Sweatshop Union. My favorite SU track is "The thing about it".

[CollegeGraduate]

Yeah, because I was so serious with everything I said. And Canibus possessing "minor lyrical skill" just cracks me up. Are you high? Does anybody have more lyrics? Here is a small sampling. More to come later.



"Bury me at the beach is the sea is out of reach cuz when i spit what's fluid becomes concrete"

"Ain't too many categories I could fit in when it comes to spittin' cuz I'm over-qualified for the position"

"Gettin' in my way is like jumpin' in front of a car breakin' the sound barrier/ that means the car is in front of the horn/
By the time you feel it hit you it's too late to respond/
By the time you feel me hit you I'm gone"
"I'm the greatest scientifically inclined mind since Einstein/
I write blue ribbon rhymes for Nobel Prize time/
Tryin' to shine with the shit I invent/
I know I ain't perfect, but I'm 99.9 percent"
"The Canibus is an animal with a mechanical mandible/
Comin' to damage you, spittin' understandable slang at you/
I be the all seeing lyrical, hammerhead sharp peripheral"

"Sometimes I feel like killing myself, they’ve stolen my shine/
I wanted to be the illest for a moment in time"
"It's like I've been crucified, they Hate Me Now like Nas/
They punctured me through my side, the bleeding was cauterized/
I was revived after I died/
Only then I saw how I was truly admired and worshipped like a God"

"I turn ya love, peace and happiness into ya blood on a napkin in a ambulance/
Just the sound of my voice'll give you a positive urine analysis"

"Swingin' the guillotine, cause whenever the head is severed
from the human body with a sharp enough weapon/
The brain remains conscious for ten seconds/
Long enough for me to give you one last message/
And when you get to Hell you can tell Lucifer I said it"

"The name Canibus might as well be Cannibalism
Show me a man that can't feel him
I'll show you a man that'll grab him by the neck
and put his head to the fan on the ceiling
Suffer real "Banned From Television" ish
Drop him off the roof of a building and let the news film him
I hop in front of the cameras and tell 'em how I'm feeling
I tell 'em how I feel that hip-hop, should deal with it
Tell 'em how I'm tired of the state rappers in
Ninety percent of the shit that rappers kick is subject matterless
Not original, but blasphemous, just a bunch of the same characters
shooting the same videos, it's embarassing
Using the same formulas to have a hit
Using the same actors and actresses, same shit different laxative"

"Every word I utter for hip hop lovers
will reflect forever like two mirrors facing each other"

"Been rocking longer than niggas twice my age
Back in the days before Bob Marley was rockin' a fade
Before Honest Abe signed the paper that freed slaves
Before Neanderthals was drawing on walls in caves
I existed, in the garden of Eden gettin lifted
Stickin' dick to Eve before she was Adam's mistress
Before Christ created Christmas, I been in lyrical fitness
The Canibus is spittin' til he's spitless
50 bars of total sickness, you won't forget this
I'm puttin' every wack Emcee alive on my shit list
Verbally vicious, telekinetically gifted
Took you a minute to exhibit that I'm sick with it"

"Used to be a partisan to the market sense theory but I lost the bet
No regrets, you live and you learn
I'm through giving advice, I just give concerns
Sterilize my hands to prevent catching the germs
And try to rebuild all the bridges I burned"

"I speak at frequencies dogs would have trouble hearing
Canibus is the lyrical version of German engineering
Raw metaphors that keep you high for months
I could fly around the earth twice without refueling once
Ain't too many categories I could fit in
When it come to spittin'
Cuz I'm overqualified for tha position
The lazer guided lyrical hybrid
Creatin' scripts so sick,
I have to arm wrestle my pen to write it
Don't get excited
because if I ever catch one of you motherfuckers biting
We're going to be fist fighting
So motherfliper what you want?
I have the shotgun pumped
And if you feel like a frog nigga, then jump.
I possess the lyrical ammo to battle
and rip any one of you warm blooded mammals to shambles.
I'll make examples of you and eat a mouth full of your crew
The type of emcee you can't outdo
i'll battle you on the net
I'll battle you in the flesh
I'll battle you over the phone you can call me collect
I'll battle you for the respect
I'll battle you over a blank check
I'll battle you with a gun to my neck
I'll battle you standing over the toilet with my dick out
i'll battle you juggling a hand grenade with the pin out
In a stolen car with the pin number ripped out
Drinking a Guinness Stout
Doing a 360 spinout."

"I never said battling me would be impossible
I just think it's highly muthafuckin' improbable"

"The Earth got one sun but I walk with three shadows"

"Get everything I've ever rhymed to
Staple it together and you got a fuckin' bible"

"Couldn't understand what I mean by ill
unless you try to translate what I print to film"

"I hope God and the imagination are one
A Golden Tongue can achieve synchronicity with the Sun"

"Not possible, if I can't pronounce it, it ain't rhymeable
The audible probability probably ain't probable"
"From any and all dispositions
The fusion of what's written creates a fission called Canibusism"

"Punks wanna murder me
That's why my burgandy suburban be
full of secret service security
Transportin' me back and forth to the affirmative action university
in aircrafts that take off and land vertically
The fact that I ain't treated like a king is absurd to me
From the streets of dirty Jersey to Germany niggas heard a me"

"The secret of the ages, I illuminate with logic
what I speak is more than just deep it's bottomless
With common sense
I'm organized like crimes and mafias
Plus the way I rhyme is prime like optimus
The "rapologist", you can sit and do the knowledge with
your GED's to your degrees from Ivy league colleges
I'll politic with any magazine columnist
about topics other emcees won't even bother with
Rock solid shit like stones and monuments
It's obvious the the 3rd eye the obilesque is watchin' us
closely, through microscope and a pair of binoculars"

"An overdose that's extremely fatal
Doctors in white labcoats scramble for an antidote to save you
You can't breathe, your chest feels painful
Your skin color's goin' from dark brown to beige-blue
Your whole room's full of angels
All in your ear tryin' to tell you which God you should pray to
You pray to Jesus, but He don't wanna save you
Cuz you unfaithful, so He gives you to Azazel
You're paralyzed on the operating table
Prayin' for Canibus to slice you from head to navel"

"I'm the sickest linguistically illicit lyrical misfit in the business
And probably in existence. What's your consensus?
Study my own syntax statistics since '96
With CPA certified assistance
I made a decision that my standards are above precision
The only thing I can honestly say I love more than women
Are dope writtens. If it ain't dope then don't spit it
Don't be sensitive and get on the defensive
Just practice your penmanship
If you can't spit at high temperatures then just quit
Be careful of the tongue it tends to bend to the left
According to manufacturers specs you'll make a mess
And rupture the blood vessels in your neck fucking with Rip"

"As the universe expands
I contemplate whether it was God or the Big Bang that made man
Sometimes I wonder how come
We cant live without guns
What would of been the outcome if the South won
Think about that son
What in the hell caused the assassination of Malcolm
The federal communications commission listens to politicians in the position
to Make certain decisions like puttin minorities in prison
To decimating the population of women
It's called socialism
From the United States to the United Kingdom
Aahhkk, spit into the sky and extinguish the sun, but how come"

"Sometimes the truth is so illusive its confusing
And reality becomes illusion
If I showed you where we were at and where we were going
I'd upset the social balance of the world as we know it"
"So recognize or be hospitalized, cause lyrically on a scale of one to ten I'm twenty-five"

"I rip jackers, rip the time-space fabric
Loop the future with the past tense looking for patterns
Eradicate the Africans that sold Africans to Saxons
and forced black men to pay taxes"

"I possess the meta-physical power to hold my breath for half an hour
continuously breathing outwards
You ain't an emcee you a coward
I make weak rappers lose control of they bladder and piss in they trousers"

"Now if you take a glass of water then add two cubes of ice
you should see the cup's water level slightly rise, right?
You need to watch what I'ma show you
You need to look closely at what I'ma show you
If you remove every living animal out of the sea
then wouldn't the world's ocean water level decrease?"

"Elevating so high that whenever I drop shit
It'll land on the window of your aeroplane cockpit"

"Dead or alive, Canibus will live through the rhyme
To be the illest on the mic is a mission of mine
Spittin' divine, you can't get it twisted this time
Vocal with a mirror to make sure my lips are aligned"

"See the reason there's no light at the end of tunnel
Is cuz we're really not in a tunnel, we're trapped in a bubble"

"No ability, no extraocular motility
Silly emcees can't see me lyrically or visually
They'll never be better than me
I'll triple team 'em with a trinity severed to 3 and give 'em 9 enemies"

"I'm probably the most murderous, merciless
Version of a modern-day Capernicus the world has ever heard of yet
Cold blooded and rugged
Shove a gun turret to ya stomach and start bussin'
Til ya shittin' buckets and dry ice nuggets
Cold freestylin', cold rhymin'
Cold enough to freeze the mucus lining in ya sinus rock solid"
"Canibus is unequivocably the illest killin' machine in the industry
For the 20th century
Trapped in a max security building
Sufferin' from a severe illness called brilliance"

"I'm just a rap music mutant with a cool name
Misconstrued fame but I spit butane
Blue flames, out of giant C02 tanks
Demagnatized memory banks enhanced, advanced
One of a kind like modern mans retina scans
Quick as a glance or flickers from kerosene lamps"

"Mama said know who out?
I'll punch that bitch in the mouth
cause she don’t know what she talkin' about" (Had to add the LL one. LL may have gotten Bis blackballed but he sure didn't win the actual battle)



Whatever.

LL cool J > Cannibus

[Simon]

Whatever.

LL cool J > CannibusPlease. I don't even like Canibus, as QS would tell you, but he owns LL. LL's sucked shit for the best part of a decade.

[QuietStorm]

Whatever.

LL cool J > CannibusIt's all good. As long as there are people like you out there Germaine can keep himself motivated.

[QuietStorm]

Universal...thanks for the support assholes. The final verse of 2nd Round K.O that was not cleared by his label.


I'll battle you on the net
I'll battle you in the flesh
I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect
I'll battle you for the respect
I'll battle you over a blank check
I'll battle you with a gun to my neck
'Cause battling's my favorite hobby
That's probably why you despise me
We can battle in Hot 97's lobby
Constantly battling, out in the streets
Or Battle of The Beats, we can let Angie referee
Inside the jail yard fence, prisoners look tense
Armed with shanks waiting for the battle to commence
Ladies and gents,
pick up the phone and call and decide with the highest
pennant and decide the wench
Lowest versus the highest, I'll start a riot
You're a virus, you run around screaming "Stop The Violence"
I rip mics tighter than pliers
You say you the greatest of all time
You're a liar, your time's expired
You no longer have what Hip Hop requires, so retire

[CollegeGraduate]

Out of curiosity, is Cannibus considered mainstream ?

[CollegeGraduate]

It's all good. As long as there are people like you out there Germaine can keep himself motivated.


Motivation does help sell records .

[QuietStorm]

Out of curiosity, is Cannibus considered mainstream ?Yes and no. I mean, he definitely was at one time. Everyone who was a hip hop head in 97/98 knows who he is. But I don't know if an artist in any genre has ever been blackballed the way he has since the LL beef. Def Jam/Russell Simmons had him completely erased from the mainstream's eye and ear. And if you want reasoning, I think Canibus himself says it best in Get Off Ya Knees....

My opponents are so intent, not to show respect
They fret cause I'm a global threat
I'm so hard to catch, {like} a covert celeb
I relocate so quick they can't close the net
I expose the press, dispose of the prints
On the loose again, nobody knows what's next
My virus infects
Every machine with clandestine speech
Get Off Ya Knees!

Basically, he is saying emcees out there do not respect what he does and Bis is saying that is really because what he does will overshadow what they are doing. In other words Bis is saying he is so good that other half-ass emcees that are tasting success are worried about Bis getting out to the mainstream as it would belittle their supposed talent. He says that these same opponents are trying to catch him and accuse him of things (to keep his name underground) but he is too quick and on to the next thing. It is like he moves in for a strike and is gone before anyone knows what happened. The Eminem feud is a bit of an example. Eminem made a full-fledged diss and Canibus was already in the army. Exposing the press is sort of how Bis likes to bring knowledge of the industry and he is referencing his superior skill/craft. The machines are either people (that are infected once they hear his work) or the machines could be stereo systems while the clandestine speech is describing the level of skill he displays in his lyrics (as the true meaning is often hidden, secret or needs to be deciphered). That is kind of the image I got.

So in conclusion, as an indie artist it is impossible for him to sell like he is mainstream (I am still amazed I was able to buy MiClub: The Curriculum and RtJ at Meijer's) but the mainstream sure as hell know where he is and how to keep him off the radio and television.

[Seanny One Ball]

Out of curiosity, is Cannibus considered mainstream ?

Depends who you ask and where they come from.

Canibus is gravy and clearly you haven't given him enough of a listen, possibly no listens - you just have to listen to the craftwork behind the lines.


Rap is good when it involves plenty of inginuity, not when people sound like they're just speaking quickly. If Canibus spoke the lines that he raps then he'd be a poet, that's the difference.

[CollegeGraduate]

Ive heard several Cannibus songs.


Personal fav is 2nd round knockout

[Seanny One Ball]

Then why in God's name would you use the term "minor lyrical skill"?

You fiend.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Bit harsh to call him a fiend though.

You may just want to wonder why you've been dealt only one bollock before calling another man a fiend in the future!

FUCKING THIRD WEEK OF NO MASTA KILLA IN FUCKING HMV.

:mad:

Swear I'll just knock all the other c.d's off the shelf if it's not there tomorrow.

SWEAR!

[Seanny One Ball]

You'll hold your tongue while in the presence of greatness, Jon boy.

Now begone, before I battle you.

[QuietStorm]

I could so just turn this into our own little Canibus Discussion Thread since he is obviously making more moves than anyone else in hip hop.

:cool:

[Mr. Boombastic]

I only have one Canibus album, Can-I-Bus, but I must say I wish I had more. He is a pretty amazing rapper. Lyrically, he is unmatched in his creativity and flow. Any true fan of rap, even if they didnt care for him still has to give Canibus much credit for being an excellent rapper lyrically. The problem is that mainstream rap is more about having great production and beats than supreme lyricism. I dont care who is rapping over Dr Dre's beats, he will sell millions, heck even 50 cent did that and he sucks.

I dont know if its just me but is anybody else really sick of rappers coming out with groups after the become famous, letting their buddies ride their success, ala D12, G Unit.

One last thing I dont care who it is, any rapper thats name starts with Lil, sucks. Whether it be jon, wayne, flip, bow wow, romeo, white, hell theres too f-ing many to count.

[CollegeGraduate]

Then why in God's name would you use the term "minor lyrical skill"?

You fiend.


Just because I listened to him does not mean I like him. And yes, I believe his lyrical abilities are greatly overrated and he feels he needs to be poetic and absurd in his lyrics which I really do find annoying. The man can flow, but his lyrics are subpar IMHO. Please Lynch me for having an opinion.