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Fanny Batter
January 2nd, 2004, 1:12 PM
I like Hip Hop, but Ja Rule sucks!

January 2nd, 2004, 1:15 PM
So who do you like?

I still like the odd Ja Rule track...and Venni Vetti Vecci still stands up as a decent album, in my opinion...I don't like the R&B tracks he does, but I can understand why people do. Good luck to him really, he saw the money and took it.

Deven Vickerman
January 2nd, 2004, 4:21 PM
Ja Rule is alright.. I liked his new album "Blood in My Eye"

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 2nd, 2004, 5:01 PM
I've got three Ja Rule albums, the most recent three.

I admit most of his singles are shit and for the pop-charts, but there's nothing soppy on Blood in My Eye... not saying it's all good, but there's no soft shit.

For some reason I really like Ja Rule... :\ :heart:

January 2nd, 2004, 11:01 PM
i just purchased today

Bless a canadian rapper who is amazing from montreal

and the new Juvenile amazing cd with some of the best beats since his debut

jesus sucks
January 3rd, 2004, 11:06 AM
Got westside connection the other day. Total shit compared to Bow down. Bow down is one of my favourite cd's. this new one might be my least fravourite CD it's that bad. total waste of £9.99

Got Raekwon 'lex diamond story' today and it's very good. I thought it would be shit so surprised at how good it is.

Seanny One Ball
January 3rd, 2004, 1:29 PM
got my 60th Rap album yesterday - Grand Champ by DMX - I could have done better but I couldn't find Mobb Deep and I didn't want to get BacDaFucUp by Onyx just yet.

spanish announce table
January 3rd, 2004, 10:20 PM
i just purchased today

Bless a canadian rapper who is amazing from montreal

and the new Juvenile amazing cd with some of the best beats since his debut

I was impressed by Bless on "Talkin to me" and "My Time", but "Against the Grain" is just bad (probably because of that guy on the hook)

jesus sucks
January 7th, 2004, 11:22 AM
got da unbreakables today. fuckin hell what a cd! "Bin Laden" is my anthem of the year so far haha.

"three kinds of weed grown togetha nigga....they named that shit bin laden" :rofl:

Raw Is Jonathan
January 7th, 2004, 3:36 PM
got royce da 5'9" build and destroy the other day, top drawer stuff, yet i come online to read the rapreview for it and it says its a double disc cd, whereas i've got a single 20 track cd...

spanish announce table
January 7th, 2004, 5:33 PM
What is the release date for "Death is Certain"? That new track with Premo is dope as hell

50 Cent
January 8th, 2004, 2:34 AM
Feb 24th I think.

January 8th, 2004, 5:36 AM
got royce da 5'9" build and destroy the other day, top drawer stuff, yet i come online to read the rapreview for it and it says its a double disc cd, whereas i've got a single 20 track cd...The double CD got discontinued, probably because the 'Destroy' CD had a whole load of diss tracks to D12, a beef that I think has been squashed now. I had it for a while and was gonna buy it, but it was £20+, fuck that. Great album though.

January 8th, 2004, 6:54 PM
got da unbreakables today. fuckin hell what a cd! "Bin Laden" is my anthem of the year so far haha.

"three kinds of weed grown togetha nigga....they named that shit bin laden" :rofl:

Hell yeah.

Mosh Pit has got to be the illest joint.

Its the Juice WHAT! Up in the club WHAT!, So throw your set up in the air and show me love! WHAT!

January 8th, 2004, 7:10 PM
First two parts of the three-part interview with allhiphop.com. I honestly edited it a little bit because with the stupid breaks and all you couldn't tell when Immortal Technique was being quoted and when he wasn't. It was all sloppy. But I fixed it. Good read.

Bed-Stuy Brooklyn. Million Youth March. A Che Guevara of an emcee laces the crowd with politically astute, precision-crafted punch lines delivered with a veteran performer polish and timing. Along the way, he tears a new anus in the mindscapes of the assembled mass, ending his set by telling the crowd to put a middle finger to the sky in order to send a proper greeting to the C.I.A. spy satellites. The emcee is Immortal Technique.
Harlem USA. Five Percenter National Headquarters. In the next room some older gods are engaged in a lively debate on Osama Bin Laden as a direct result of the cover art on Immortal Technique Revolutionary: Vol. 2. Immortal is in his glory. The heated conversation is precisely what Immortal sees as one of his primary objectives.

"On terms of my political stance and where I want to stand and the way I like to be remembered I am the spirit of argument and discussion", Immortal Technique says. "The album was created itself to create a discussion since all discussions were being knocked off the board since people didn't want to discuss anything. Making music is one thing but when you're involved in direct action that is a whole another story. If your music can influence direct action then that speaks to great lengths about what type of music you make."

Indeed, while the album cover art alone is enough to raise eyebrows, raise questions and get people to raise their voices in debates that may raise the level of consciousness, Immortal Technique's Revolutionary: Vol. 2 embodies a work of artistic innovation in direct opposition to the current course of commercialized hip hop cultural product.

"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done/ I leave you full of clips like the moon blocking the sun" Immortal Technique - Immortal Technique

From the album introduction by Mumia Abu-Jamal and the opening cut The Point of No Return you know that you've left Kansas far behind and this is a hip hop world akin to something George Orwell would have penned. Peruvian Cocaine shoots the concept of the posse cut to a next level with each of the seven emcees adding a thread to the narrative of the path cocaine travels to reach the city streets. The story starts with the rural field worker and moves from druglord to C.I.A. operatives and crooked cops all playing their position in the pipeline. Songs like Obnoxious show that even Immortal's most outrageous concepts and battle rhymes take a stance and make a political statement. The jewel of the album Industrial Revolution is a treatise on changing the game featuring scratches courtesy of DJ RocRaida that makes that Roc La Familia track off The Dynasty album lackluster in comparison.

Revolutionary: Vol. 2 is a dizzying array of aggressively, yet accurately articulated adjectives and mind melting metaphors that elicit ecstasy from the ear and epiphanies from the mind. Track after track of critical compositions pry into our apathy and awaken the side of hip hop within us that was implanted by Public Enemy and recently only fed by a handful of artists like Dead Prez. Immortal Technique's undying method quenches the parched throat of the consumer in ways that your average neo-soul, wheat-grass wielding wordsmith can never attain.

Immortal Technique is "the warlord of raw dog" he says of himself. "I put it out there. Facts. I put out street knowledge. Immortal Technique is the truth."

Immortal's hardcore righteous with emphasis on the streets and brolic beats is a welcome departure from the incense and oils that dominate the so-called progressive wing of rap music. His battle aesthetic puts him in a league above all other extraordinary gentlemen. Revolutionary: Vol. 2 epitomizes what KRS-ONE meant when he coined the term edutainment. It's hilarious and a history lesson. Lyrics that make you press rewind on the tape deck but also echo in your mind. As you listen you are intellectually injected with a wealth of information and the rhyme animal within gets to feel the rush of well-crafted wordplay.

"metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch/ like an escape tunnel in prison I started from scratch" Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution

Immortal's journey began when he was nine years old, spitting his early rhymes to break beats on the radio and as time progressed his abilities grew from there.

"Little by little I realized I could do this", says Immortal. "At first I didn't take it seriously at all. It was more of a recreational thing. Having fun."

Back then, Immortal says that he was more involved in reprehensible behavior and whylin out but he was already moving in a determined direction.

"There was this one time rhyming with my peoples and the freestlyle just took over and it was just like it was someone else I felt like, but it was really me. It was like I was opening up my eyes and being like wow I can really do this a whole lot better than I thought I could, and then I sat down and started writing rhymes and the rhymes that I wrote were concise and they followed a certain point and I was like cool, this is real. This is more real than I expected it to be."

"As I started putting the words together it was more of a hardcore sense cause I was still going through that youthful phase where you want to fight the world and where everything just seems to be against you and when you walk through the hood, not only the police but your own people. So its like a lot of people develop that warrior mentality but without no direction. That really is the issue I see out there in the street."

A turning point occurred when police arrested a friend and Immortal was also detained when he foolishly acted against the cops in a youthful attempt to defend his companion.

"Just down in the tombs. Me and my boy back to back and right there it reminded me so much of a slave ship. Everybody packed in to their shoulders, being fed the most disgusting food in the world and having guards act like the overseer. It started me thinking about different types of government rather than the type of government that they say we live in now. I started really researching what it is to be an oligarchy; what it is to be a plutocracy; what it is to be an economic aristocracy rather than it is to be a democracy, a capitalist democracy, instead of a socialist democracy cause there's all types of government. However, people want to define it is one thing, but what it is in practice is another thing."

"I started going to the library. I started reading books that I bought off the street. I just had a thirst for knowledge cause I saw how ignorant our people were and how ignorant I was it was almost as if I glanced at myself and I said you could be so much more than this. As I started to travel, I went back to South America. I started realizing what was really going on in the world. I started walking through the hood and really looking at it. Cause I think a lot of people live in the hood and never really understand the place they live. So I started understanding the hood. I started to see it for what it was, cause anybody can rhyme about selling crack, anybody can sell crack, anybody can hold a gun, but to understand why they sell, how the guns get to you, how the drugs get to the community, why in certain instances they're placed inside the community, the fact that they're allowed to be in certain places and the fact that they're depicted as almost the culture of a people and in other places they are depicted as being something people suffer from. Anybody can live life, but to discover the meaning of life is another dimension of living."

Immortal's evolution was far from complete. After high school, Immortal was off to college, but he says he was a wild kid with a stupid attitude and he took that negative energy away with him. In the end, he went from attending class at Penn State to doing time in the state pen. His reckless behavior led to a year in a Pennsylvania prison.

"It wasn't like I became intelligent in prison. I was already there. I was already reading before I went. I knew that I was going to do a bullet a year before I went up. At that point, I started reading a lot more. Before it was a book a month, then it was three books a month and then it was like when I was locked up I read Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life. John Anderson's biography [an 800-plus page book] in like two days; speed reading. That's what I trained myself to be. You can train yourself to be anything."

Immortal slips from topic to topic in his convo as easily as he does on his songs, changing lanes on the discussion highway mid-sentence.
"When I got out, I was trying to go back to college and all that, but I had been writing so much in jail and I had been battling kids in there and in there it was so much more of a respect thing then about winning $500 dollars at Bragging Rites or winning a jacket at Rock Steady or Blaze Battle. It spoke about who you were for somebody to be like 'that dude is nice'. So when I came back I entered the battle scene immediately. I was probably about a week and a half out when I said: You know what. Not only is this a good thing in order to get my name known but in the long run people will look at me and say that kid paid his dues. He wasn't just some gimmick that labels said 'Oh, yo lets sign this kid.' To me, the label is the gimmick not the artist. You the gimmick. You are the motherfucker that has to hire the PR people and do the retail marketing. You do the gimmicks for me, all right, White man. Or get your little Black lackey House Nigga that work at the label to do it for you because I don't have time for that. I have to present who I really am."

End of Part 1 of 3


"Technique chemically unstable, set to explode
Foretold by the Dead Sea scrolls written in codes
So if your message ain't sh*t, f*ck the records you sold
'Cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck
It just means that a million people are stupid as f*ck!"
Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution

At this time Immortal began to see the next stage in his development was moving from the battle to the recording studio.

"After I got out and I won all these battles, I dedicated myself to not just being a battle MC because I got bracketed. Put in that little hole where people are like 'Oh he's a battle rapper.' People would say that. 'Immortal Technique is an ill battle rapper.' I found it in the streets. I found it at shows. And even stupid little message boards people were writing 'oh he's a good battle rapper.' I'm like oh, now I really got to write some songs. I said to myself I don't want to be bracketed as a battle MC because I think I got a lot more potential. So I took a lot of the songs that I had written in jail and I hooked up with DJ Reach and this brother told me he's like 'My peeps make beats. They could hook you up with some tracks.' So I went over there and I didn't have no money. I was telling people I couldn't do anything and I basically got them to give me some tracks and I put out "Volume 1" and I worked with them and they did like most of the beats but they did all the recording. It was like off like an 1880 and a Shure mic, but they mixed it down real well. So after I put out "Vol. 1" people were like this guy is not just on some hardcore stuff, he's on some revolutionary stuff. I did that at the end of '99 and the beginning of 2000, but we put it out in 2001 and really there's songs on "Vol. 1" from like 1997."

Immortal Technique's name already rang bells around the battle scene but after several performances his reputation as a showman also began to increase.

"In terms of my seasoning, I learned the stage presence from being in the battle. I can handle a heckler in the crowd. It ain't nothing to me whether you want to handle it physically or you want to handle it lyrically; that's up to you. But the point is that you learn a lot more than you think you do about stage presence because in the battle, even with the judges because usually the judges go along with the crowd. You don't win by beating your opponent, you win by winning the crowd.

"There were a lot of times I had to perform for free and I ain't mind at all that because I was getting my name out there. But as I started getting my name out there more and more that's when I was like alright you know what. I don't mind doing a benefit show but just like "The Message and the Money." I better not be the only person that's not getting paid because that seems to be the deal nowadays, people want to pay their mans and them; kinda' like a political kickback. Whether you like politics or not politics is a part of everything. 'Oh, I'm not into politics.' Well then you must not be into life you dumbass because that's what life is. Life is politics."

"So in that respect I grew very angry with the scene because as the battle scene deteriorated and I had won so many battles I got this thing called the "Unsigned Hype". After I got the "Unsigned Hype" in The Source some labels hollered at me. But their whole image of success was me changing the persona of who I was. They wanted me to make the type of records that I would just feel embarrassed spitting. I'm like this isn't me. This isn't who I am. This has nothing to do with hip hop. This is party music and why are you dictating it? You don't know hip hop. You're just using it to market a product in the future to them."

"That's the problem in hip hop. That's the situation in hip hop. That people are using hip hop today to market their product to a different audience that they normally wouldn't have access to and when I said that at Rock Steady, the sponsors cut my mic off. And then Crazy Legs came back and was like, 'nah you got to let him rhyme, you got to let him say whatever he wants to say.'

"I think hip hop is standing on a cliff right now and there are certain people are trying to pull it back and say: 'No, no, no! You're too close to creativity. We might lose control of where it's going to go.' And there are people who have decided to just fly around in the air and tell hip hop 'Nah, come on. Just walk with us. You could walk in the sky. You can live without boundaries.' There's good and bad things that come with that. There's abstract hip hop that I think is not hot. People just rambling with big words on the microphone that really don't say anything.

"I take a piss on a development deal from Sony, or Def Jam
cuz your like all of the rest man"
Immortal Technique - Obnoxious

Immortal's excursions into the music industry led to him putting himself out on his own imprint, Viper Records. On the album, along with the music industry in general, Immortal calls out independent label Landspeed by name.

"My beef with Landspeed, it's not like I want to kill those cats. They're just geeky white people. They're no threat to me. I don't have any serious issue with Landspeed and I say that because I don't want them to be the focus of the beef. There's a lot of labels that are just like that. There's a lot of distributors who are just like that."

Indeed on the album he guns for the entire underground music business.

"I said it on Vol. 2: 'Underground labels, I don't trust you. You're only underground until you're major; so f*ck you.' All these so-called undergrounds want to be major labels and there's nothing wrong with that in terms of wanting to be a bigger business and make more money and to have more impact. But now they're assuming the practices of these larger labels that they claim to hate. They claim oh this is why we started our label because we didn't want these big labels to be in control, but then you're acting like them. You didn't change nothing. You just replaced the head. You didn't change none of the practices. It's like saying you had a revolution because you picked a new president. In terms of my issue with them [independent labels] I think a lot of them have that general practice of jerking people out of money."

"This is the business, and ya'll ain't getting nothing for free
and if you devils play broke, then I'm taking your company
you can call it reparations or restitution
lock and load n*gga, industrial revolution"
Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution

End of Part 2 of 3

Kris P. Lettus
January 8th, 2004, 7:20 PM
I'm in hella antisipation form Cee Lo Green is the Soul Machine...

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 9th, 2004, 3:09 PM
Shady/Aftermath are putting out at least 5 albums this year... Dr. Dre (maybe), Eminem, 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, D12

anybody lookin forward to ANY of them?

January 9th, 2004, 4:10 PM
Dre's. Which is the one least likely to drop. None of the others would get me worked up...in Eminem's case that's kinda sad, I still rate him in the top three rappers around right now, but the quality of his recent releases has been so poor that I don't hold out much hope.

On a similar note, Puffy looks to have signed Eminem, 50 and Banks to work on a remix of the 'Victory' classic.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 9th, 2004, 5:29 PM
Yeah, that's part of the BadBoy 10 Year Anniversary DVD that Puffy's putting together.

Apparently Dre's still running with the concept album idea, called Detox. I'll probably download all of em bar D12 just for a listen, I've been replaying Beg For Mercy n it's better than I originally thought, but I prefer Young Buck anyday over Banks.

January 9th, 2004, 5:35 PM
Hopefully he works with Scott Storch on a lot of the production considering Storch did Still D.R.E and is probably the best hitmaker in the industry. You think Timbaland created Cry Me A River on his own? Ha. Shame Storch never gets any credit for anything he does.

And if Crooked I doesn't return to the Row it would be SWEET if Dre got him on this album somehow. Probably less of a chance of that happening than getting Daz on this album though.

January 9th, 2004, 5:45 PM
Apparently Dre's still running with the concept album idea, called Detox. I'll probably download all of em bar D12 just for a listen, I've been replaying Beg For Mercy n it's better than I originally thought, but I prefer Young Buck anyday over Banks.For some reason everyone's all over Lloyd Banks' nuts right now, I don't get it...the whole G-Unit group is pretty mediocre IMO.

January 9th, 2004, 5:46 PM
But Lloyd Banks is lyrically the best member if you rate them.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 9th, 2004, 5:47 PM
LL Cool J has his 11th album out too, it's been produced entirely by Timbo... I admit to liking 50 Cent/Young Buck, but I just can't see any attraction to Banks.

January 9th, 2004, 5:48 PM
Nice to see Cool J is on his way to sucking some more.

I’ll moonwalk on water, harpoon jackers
And drag em back to the harbour for the local photographers
Now point four fingers and watch through binoculars
Look what Harry Potter did to Andrew Galotta, Kid
Whether enemies exchange negative energy
But you can’t forgive and forget with an elephant memory
Cuz You-Know-Who snatched the mic from You-Know-Who
But lets keep that between me and you!

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 9th, 2004, 5:50 PM
I :heart: LL :$

Apparently DEFinitive isn't going to be the lovey-dovey orientated LP that 10 was, it's going to be full of up-beat party shit apparently.

January 9th, 2004, 5:52 PM
I liked Return of Jack the Ripper but it was so obvious he didn't write it on his own. I doubt it was Eminem but I think it might have been Royce. All indications seem to point that way.

January 9th, 2004, 5:53 PM
I never got the big deal about LL...Radio and Mama Said Knock You Out were good, he had this hunger about his rhyming that I can't explain, I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about...Phenomenon was terrible, G.O.A.T. was somehow WORSE, and 10 wasn't even LL Cool J any more. The guy lost it.

January 9th, 2004, 6:13 PM
OFFICIAL Crooked I Release Date from a very reliable source.

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=4WWIYK77QP&sourceid=&ean=728706305129 (http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=4WWIYK77QP&sourceid=&ean=728706305129)

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 9th, 2004, 8:16 PM
"Release Date: Dec 31 2025" :lol:

January 10th, 2004, 8:17 AM
Poor Crooked I. One of the few on the west coast I like on a lyrical level. Right behind Ras Kass for me.

Anyways, there was an interesting discussion on C-C about whether Canibus was overrated or underrated. I really liked and agreed with what CaniFan said, summing up my thoughts perfectly. Check it out.

"Seeing as he's struggling to even reach the 50k plateau in sales, I have a hard time believing he's overrated at all. Underrated would be a better word.

And most of his stuff is not scientific. People look at large words and automatically think science. It's almost as if it's a badge of honor to act ignorant as fuck now.

I think that's part of the problem with today's youths/listeners that Canibus is trying to rectify.

I do agree that you can't vibe to his music. You have to listen to it. That's the big difference from his art and other's music. You take In The Club and lay any 'named' artists lyrics over it and it's still a hit. It was the beat that drove that song.

With Canibus it's the exact opposite."

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 10th, 2004, 12:21 PM
Canibus may be underrated, but some of his fans are fuckin wackos.

I mean, Stan, aimed at Canibus? Come on

spanish announce table
January 10th, 2004, 5:21 PM
A lot of his fans are fuckin wackos. I remember reading about some guy trying to persuade others to get a 'C' logo tattoo. :wtf:

Rapreviews just gave the HRSMN "album" a 6. I kinda agree with them as Killah Priest only came hard on a few tracks while it seemed like he was going through the motions on the rest of them. Canibus should not be doing tracks like "Scrolls", ever. The beat was ok, but it's a waste of time for me to listen to him rap about rims and weed. Ras Kass was dope on every track he got on. I never noticed how much Kurupt rambles before I heard this album. Hopefully when the real album comes out, They can get some beats from Stoupe or someone like that.

As for Aftermath, I'm not really interested in any of those albums. Does anybody care for a Lloyd Banks album? It'll be the same as Sheek Louch, Jae Millz, Santana, Jae Hood, Cassiddy etc.

Seanny One Ball
January 10th, 2004, 5:25 PM
It's not unfeasible, Eminem can be as subtle as anyone - it might just have been a very clever diss. I have my own reservations, but I wouldn't count it out.

It's a very low key battle anyway, nobody in the mainstream knows about it and Eminem hardly mentions it outside the songs, maybe in magazines but I aint read them.

January 10th, 2004, 5:49 PM
Hahahahahaha. I love Scrolls. The next Wu Tang what?

Kris P. Lettus
January 10th, 2004, 9:50 PM
One of the few on the west coast I like on a lyrical level.


January 10th, 2004, 9:58 PM
Yes. No. Not my thing.

I didn't say those were the only two I liked on the west coast. I love Aceyalone as well. I am just way more of an east coast guy when it comes to hip hop.

January 11th, 2004, 7:57 PM
Has anyone seen the Beef DVD and is it good?

January 12th, 2004, 1:48 AM
No, but I hear Mobb Deep gets turned into a joke on it. They go through the story of how they had to take off their clothes in the studio at gunpoint and then run through the streets naked in Connecticut. Poor guys.

Raw Is Jonathan
January 12th, 2004, 4:18 PM
got revolutionary 2, krs-one a retrospective and paid in full over the past few days...

:yes: :yes: :yes:

Want revolutionary 1 though :(

Back to what some teeny bopper said about shady records, or whoever it is these days, I'm not looking forward to any of them apart from Dre's, and I'll be rather keen to see who guest's on it, they could either make me buy the shit, or put me right off.


No, just no.

Unless I hear it's him back to his best, and not producing, then I might check it out.

Anything else interesting on it's way out this year?

Raw Is Jonathan
January 12th, 2004, 4:19 PM
Hahahahahaha. I love Scrolls. The next Wu Tang what?


Kris P. Lettus
January 12th, 2004, 4:31 PM
krs-one a retrospective


For "For MC's and Breakdancers"..


January 12th, 2004, 4:37 PM
Big L's got a new live album out apparently. Better than a cut and paste job like 2pac's last 10 albums, I guess.

January 12th, 2004, 5:12 PM
It is just a line on the track. Canibus says, "We Horsemen mayyyn, the next Wu Tang." Skip the album though. Just wait for the full album release next year.

January 12th, 2004, 5:13 PM
In my opinion, nobody writes pure 21st century modern poetry as well as Aesop Rock. Sure he is abstract and makes the listener use their mind and think of what he is trying to say but that is all part of his beauty. Since you don't have to read all of this if you don't want, I'll just do what Prox did and bold the lines in the song "Oxygen" that I feel are the most amazing. So incredibly deep. And I can't stand anyone that says he is just big words. He is way more than that.

I'm twice born, once and seven something
Once is the resurrection of honorable function
Been shoveling a coal as the engine's doctor
Long enough to see my silhouette acquire a permanent kink in a posture
The maintenance of icicle spirit by the warmth of true endearment
Was, is, and forever will be a luxury
I'm a soubrette columnist fathering doom document
Cursed version of a certain Virgin Mary womb occupant

Oh my God, what have I gotten myself into?

[Verse One]
I know swamp rats who never suckled oxygen purification
Sure it's blurry may have had them speeennnd breeezzzzze
Stuck until my friend leaves, puppet for the plummet committee
Sputtering bum numb enough to stomach the city
Who's that hugging a silhouette of willows with a hill's crest pan out?
On the candy coated crab apples, sugar dipped deadpan outs
I got a plan, I'll turniquet my quest
Defeat a needle into battling to mute the mess
With patience galas with absentee ballots I shove in the button
Strutting to exhibit mankind's hostility function
With a paling in comparison, a mathias Goliath
Live to rickety frame in a wicked silence
I top and ate my nameless square then I bumped eyelids
With a Christ, we saw the same thing through a second
What's that? The grand mosaic depicting historical glory in a legend
Nurse me through the time stick and stone mixes hex my fertile crescent
Now all's well, I'm laughing on the inside I swear
Just trying to keep my head above red tide despair
My imperfections pair off with buddy system symmetrics morbidly
So every second the discontent's locked accordingly
Let's turn mummy's shut up affection, a berserk glory condition
And pray for the day a star child tugs the ribbon
Meddle in a two-hand grip when that spoon full of sugar medical chaser
Credible crazer, antidote's terrible taster
Water with a stolen soul pen left picture, mad rhythm pinned
Never set a grin and fly health
Consider me a mobile advertisement for that hybrid plan of fabrics
I deemed practical, now is you is or is you ain't compatible
I feel a wind in my opinions plus hyper clutch
Crush one's ginger bread tenement awful,
It's like the date of Grado met the saw mill
A lifeline of spectacular expansion leaves the reaper
At the hand of what man's hand jokes
My friend's got a book about dreams, I look and laugh
I dream a book about my friends and still can't decipher the half
Ch-chatter boooox, now let a soothe sayer major
Cater to a king green battered on the brink of disease
I am, skin and bones, I am, sin and poems, I am, tin and chrome
You grin and groans, fuck it I'm tinted within accrete zones
Blow the pedals off a dandelion trying to make my little gypsy blush
And felt as if I'd actually accomplish something
Fortify the bullies of the jokes soaking in treatment
Sit and watch the percentages teeter on the evening
On a ghost up in a fuse a lot second before the cock dropped
In the Styx and stared him down until he fixed it

Fashion, it's cool and all but what about God?
[Oh God, well he's the man, but what about reading?]
What, like novels, man that don't hold my attention, what about television?
[Television hurts my brain, how about walking in the rain?]
I hate walking, it's boring, how about some old fashioned gone fishin'
[Yeah, fishing's great but I can't stand hooking the bait, lets dance]
I've got too left feet plus motion sickness, how about breakfast?
[Man, I'm hungry, but that means I'mma have to borrow some money]
Let's fly a kite [Let's burn the generals]
Let's sell lemonade [Let's drink]
Let's poke a hole inside the tugboat, ease on back and watch it sink
[Naw, lets scare a pupil once a year just to shake the academy]
Casually note the blossom of phantom alignment strategy

[Verse Two]
I'll make the water fall out of order in autumn, saw the quarter
When the gods mimic the vintage knuckle drag sacked in a coffin
I affiliate my rag dummy appearance with a most cohesive spirit
Clattering the yesterday, ain't shed a tear since
Hear me, wrote the Old Yeller community cartoon
The carousel balloon extravagant aware, inviting it
I'm swore to Adam and matter and saddling
Warhead thorax and abdomen to primitive horse back galloping
My index fingers rest in my talisman branded up in the jackals skin
One must pardon ye old common street detour
Weaving graceful through the prom directed column
Greater virus retreats to a lot in Valom
Bean stalk where the fiends walk and my name is mud
But that's got a ring to it so my swill welcomes the flood
I walk through God's practical joke on man practically broke
And if they raise my rent again I'll spend my nights practically soaked
Who spits silk dimensions with a noose looped by the raft?
After lack of reasoning jedi 3, 2, 1,
Oooh I'm hung, I've clung to hope but see you in hell
I'll be that clear blue icicle that simply refused to melt
Sturdy eye krulin, tin can skeleton,
Skull of a thousand dilapidated dream remnants
Here to convict based on a tin bucket of evidence
I steer where the heaven's merely a legend so the peasants dream well

Edit: I wrote this on Canibus-Central and just copied it from there. Which is why I was able to post this one minute after my last post. :)

Kris P. Lettus
January 12th, 2004, 5:47 PM
Big L's got a new live album out apparently. Better than a cut and paste job like 2pac's last 10 albums, I guess.


spanish announce table
January 12th, 2004, 5:59 PM
A lot of the Aesop lines were really good, but some of them were too long to flow properly over a beat

January 12th, 2004, 6:05 PM


January 12th, 2004, 6:07 PM
I usually don't listen to the beats when it comes to Aesop. I could care less if he sounds like a robot and his flow isn't always perfect. It works for him.

Edit: And just for the record, as far as beats do go, for the love of god Aesop needs to bring back Blockhead to do his beats full time. He does not sound right with El-p beats at all and unfortunately for some stupid reason he became way more influenced by El-p than Blockhead with his own beats.

Bring back the epic shit. Bring back Blockhead for your next album. Bazooka Tooth beats sucked the wang.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 12th, 2004, 7:43 PM
Jonno, how much did ya pay for Paid in Full? The other day I picked up "The Master" by Rakim for a £5 and it's one of the best cd's in my collection.

Raw Is Jonathan
January 14th, 2004, 3:00 PM
can't remember, can't have been anything more than about 6.99 or something along those regions.

January 14th, 2004, 6:36 PM
Yo! Go cop dat Danger Mouse & Jemini - Ghetto Pop Life, sick ass shit!

January 15th, 2004, 8:36 AM
This is my list of the 13 MC's I can still listen to on a regular basis without getting entirely sick of them. Y'all should make your own list.....

1. Canibus
2. Aesop Rock
3. Immortal Technique
4. C-Rayz Walz
5. Sage Francis
6. Tonedeff
7. Chino XL
8. Ras Kass
9. Tech N9ne
10. One Man Army (of Binary Star)
11. Jus Allah
12. Murs
13. Gift of Gab

Edit: I have a thing for Talib Kweli as well. Can't wait until The Beautiful Struggle comes out. :$

January 15th, 2004, 10:09 AM
Big Pun
Ghostface Killah
Immortal Technique
Ill Bill

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 15th, 2004, 12:15 PM
Dr. Dre

Seanny One Ball
January 15th, 2004, 12:41 PM
Jay Z
Dizzee Rascal
Method Man

50 Cent
January 15th, 2004, 3:10 PM

spanish announce table
January 15th, 2004, 4:53 PM
Black Thought
Wu Tang (Rae, Meth, Ghost, Deck, GZA, Masta Killa)
Pre-Restless Xzibit (post-Restless X isnt that bad, but he's not as good)

Has anybody heard the new Maestro song called "God Bless Da Child"? That second verse is nuts.

January 15th, 2004, 5:58 PM
LMAO @ Dizzie Rascal

January 15th, 2004, 6:07 PM
He destroyed Asher D on Choice :cool:

January 15th, 2004, 6:51 PM
His mother must be proud, and you fuckers, inparticulary you HBK23, go check out Dangermouse & Jemini, you won't be dissapointed, that shit is straight flames!

January 16th, 2004, 5:39 PM
I just picked up Redman's Muddy Waters and it is soooo ill. I like it even better than Whut? Thee Album. I still haven't heard Dare Iz a Darkside but I will definetly pick it up soon. Anyone else dig Redman's older shit?

January 16th, 2004, 5:43 PM
Whut? is the funkiest album ever. Dare Iz A Darkside is a good album as well, didn't like Muddy Waters so much though.

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 3:53 AM


p.s.New Ghost Face Killah next month...


January 17th, 2004, 3:58 AM
Pr0x1mo's Ghostface impression says it best. He is shit.

you onion heads sippin kiwi
oochie wallabe moccasins pee wee
drink my pee pee
purple gorilla maxin
coco nut cuban sandwich satisfaction
we buy tennis courts with the bling maxed out
zukini noodle pastrami ham dinner back south
boobie jurassic grassy plastic
monkey linen mignon graphic
fresh white nikey's black
straight off the neon green chameleon rack
we eat fish and smack blood out of perdue
stapleton bells go BONG BONG when past da cerfew
dolly dickin
scotty wolly whopper watty cop be flippin
thunder rod fever heaters
knock neeba shaheeba
Reeba got knocked from the receiver reefer

Yeah.. yeah..
I just wan't y'all niggaz
to smack all y'all niggaz, and niggarettes
Universal death threats, yeah
This be the God Body, yeah no doubt
Judge Wise


50 Cent
January 17th, 2004, 12:00 PM
What song do yall niggas like more Ny State of Mind of Ny State of Mind Part 2?

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 12:07 PM
God, you're a sheep to the "backpakers", QS... I bet if Canibus came outta the closet you'd start sucking dick openly..

"OMG some rapper no ones heard of made fun of GFK.. Here, let me post a long ass article no ones gonna read.. CANIBUS!!1!"


Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 12:09 PM
God, you're a sheep to the "backpakers", QS... I bet if Canibus came outta the closet you'd start sucking dick openly..

"OMG some rapper no ones heard of made fun of GFK.. Here, let me post a long ass article no ones gonna read.. CANIBUS!!1!"


You know I like you and all but you really f'n annoy me when it comes to Hip Hop..


January 17th, 2004, 12:13 PM
What song do yall niggas like more Ny State of Mind of Ny State of Mind Part 2?...


NY State Of Mind.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 17th, 2004, 12:14 PM

I was gonna buy "Whut?" for £5 out of HMV a couple of weeks ago, but I bought The Chronic, 2001, 10 and The Fix instead.

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 12:19 PM
The Fix was f'n awesome...

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 17th, 2004, 12:54 PM
It's one of my favourite albums, it was only £5 too... I got into Scarface after hearing In Cold Blood on Def Jam Vendetta, the whole album is awesome

January 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
10 sucks dick though...as has everything from G.O.A.T. onwards :cool:...in fact, the one before that was pretty shite too.

But Doin' It is still the shit :D

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 17th, 2004, 1:00 PM
Yeah 10 is pretty crap, I like Throw Ya L's Up, Fa Ha and 10 Million Stars, the rest of it is all the same ol', same ol' shit. It's a pretty useful album though, like Suno says...

it makes panties drop

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 1:01 PM
My favorite track was the one with the "twanging" guitar.. Either 4 or 6 I think..

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 17th, 2004, 1:05 PM
heh #4 is Paradise

Seanny One Ball
January 17th, 2004, 1:20 PM
The Fix was f'n awesome...


It's easily in the top 5 rap albums released since the start of the millenium - it's in my top 10 of all time. Can't say there's anything that it used to be that it isn't anymore, it's still top quality.

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 1:23 PM
You know what I was talking about, poo poo head..


January 17th, 2004, 1:57 PM
Holy shit. I am not allowed to have an opinion. Who knew?

Edit: And it isn't like I hate all the Wu. I like Gza, Rebel INS, and Raekwon used to be my favorite member until his last album sucked balls. So don't give me this backpacker bullshit. I just can't stand Ghostface or his style. I can't get into it at all. Is that allowed?

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 2:22 PM
It's all good to dig what you dig, but every post I read by you in here comes off as "my shit don't stink cause I listen to smart rap".. It's like you think you're more of a Hip Hop fan cause you listen to more "underground".. I know alot of underground too.. My boy (L-D) hated the new Memph Bleek but did you see me come on here like, "The co-producer/front man of NCD was talking shit about M.A.D.E.. Memph Bleek is utter shit..".. Or something of that nature.. It just seem every post you make is like that.. So, you don't like mainsteam.. Cool.. But you really don't have to mention it every post..


Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 17th, 2004, 2:30 PM
I laughed at Kris P's remark about you posting shit that no one will read

January 17th, 2004, 2:34 PM
Well, I don't know. Most of the hip hoppers I listed as my faves aren't even truly underground anyways. I am more like fake underground. Almost everything I like has a pretty large following, at least on the internet.

I like what I like. I don't try to sideswipe my opinion. I have made it clear I don't really feel the South much other than Cunninlynguists. But would it not be worse if I acted like I did love dirty South rappers when I really didn't?

I am more of a metalhead these days anyway even though I enjoy talking about hip hop more and still have much greater knowledge of hip hop as a whole. And I basically just started eated up everything Aussie_Outlaw told me to in 2002. Damn sheep!!1

And I liked the Obie Trice album. That was mainstream. Mainstream is fine. Commercial sucks. Big difference.

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 2:38 PM
It's just how you come off.. As I said, it's cool to dig what you dig, and I aint got no problems with you, broham.. It just seem you feel you're a bigger fan b/c of the type of shit you listen to and cause you research those people and post their opinions...



January 17th, 2004, 2:39 PM

I was the dude who was defending Fabolous in the asylum a few weeks ago. :\

Kris P. Lettus
January 17th, 2004, 2:40 PM


Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 17th, 2004, 2:44 PM
"Commerical sucks"

"I was the guy defending Fabolous"

come on man ;)

January 17th, 2004, 2:47 PM
Yeah, I still don't like Fabolous. But he can pull out the meaningless multi's out the ass for days.

spanish announce table
January 17th, 2004, 8:02 PM
The Fix was f'n awesome...

I love that album too, but how bad does "I aint the one" suck? That put a real downer on an awesome album.

January 18th, 2004, 1:23 PM
Man, who are these Doc Brown and Lowkey British fellows? Their Mad World remix is very nice.

January 18th, 2004, 1:29 PM
One by one they fall into darkness...

Welcome to the final installment of the "Sick of Waiting" series, Sickly Business.

This is the end of the unbeaten path. I am really happy with where it got me.

Since I started releasing these things out of necessity in 1999, I have seen many other people in the underground scene make similar compilations. I am not taking credit for an "oh, why didn't I think of that" idea, I am just glad people caught on. Because sometimes the best material happens outside of a studio setting. And sometimes it is distorted. And sometimes there's hiss. And sometimes you recorded it ten years ago. And sometimes it was released on someone else's project. I really hated having a lot material that I was proud of sitting on my living room floor collecting dust. With this release I decided to PACK it with material I felt was worth my fans' attention (including a couple tracks by close friends of mine.) 90% of this material wouldn't get heard otherwise.



Should be the best of the Sick of... series. The "Doomage" track featuring Slug and Brother Ali should be great. And I am sure strange famous will be happy about this. ;)

January 18th, 2004, 2:12 PM
My own personal best of 2003...

Hip Hop

1. Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol. 2
2. Canibus - Rip the Jacker
3. Non-Prophets - Hope
4. C-Rayz Walz - Ravipops
5. Murs - The End of the Beginning
6. Louis Logic - Sin-A-Matic
7. Aceyalone - Love and Hate
8. Aesop Rock - Bazooka Tooth
9. Cunninlynguists - Southernunderground
10. Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Gandhi

The best artist of 2003: Immortal Technique
The Worst artist of 2003: 50 Cent or Ja Rule, they both made jokes out of themselves with their needless beef
The artist who declined the most in 2003: Aesop Rock (hurts me to say it, he'll come back strong)
The Best Album of 2003: Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol. 2
The most disappointing album of 2003: Aesop Rock - Bazooka Tooth
The worst album of 2003: I dunno.
The most overrated album of 2003: Atmosphere - Seven's Travels or 50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Trying
The most underrated album of 2003: Canibus - Rip the Jacker
The best single of 2003: Canibus - Spartibus and Indibisible (tie)
The worst single of 2003: Aesop Rock - Freeze (couldn't stand that track)
The best video of 2003: Aesop Rock - No Jumper Cables
The worst video of 2003: Aesop Rock - Freeze (hahaha, I don't watch videos and I just saw these on the Def Jux site so yeah)
The best up and coming artist of 2003: C-Rayz Walz
The best track of 2003: Canibus - Poet Laureate 2 (By a VERY WIDE margin imo)
The worst track of 2003: Aesop Rock ft. El-P - We're Famous (ok, yeah it is a diss track to Esoteric...doesn't mean it doesn't suck, I am really pissed at El-p for brainwashing Aesop)

Raw Is Jonathan
January 18th, 2004, 3:40 PM
*Cue lettuce muncher*





Royce 5 9 owns.

strange famous
January 20th, 2004, 7:27 PM


Should be the best of the Sick of... series. The "Doomage" track featuring Slug and Brother Ali should be great. And I am sure strange famous will be happy about this. ;)

like woah.....i haven't been around here much lately.

and of couse i'm happy. anytime there is new sage material it brings a smile to my face. i already new about sickly business because i am a loyal non-prophets.com checker. but did you also know that sage has a live album, 'live band/dead poet', coming out the same time as 'sickly business' which should also be supersweet.

'doomage' should be SICK, three of my favorite mc's on one track produced by mf doom! thats crazy!

i should be picking up both when i go see sage/non-prophets in boston on feb. 5th cause as of now they're only available on the new tour.

sin six

sin six: basic thuganomics

January 21st, 2004, 2:08 PM
Oh man. Someone on Canibus-Central made a thread about hip hop being dead and here is what my boy Ravenous responded with. Realest stuff he has ever written. Damn good MC as well. Has won a lot of C-C battle tournaments. I thought someone like Krispy might appreciate this as well since he is from Texas and represents the South.

look my friend, this aint a slap in ur face but im a break it down as real as i can. first off, hip hop AIN'T dead. it is just evolving. im from the dirty, born and raised. the atmosphere and vibe is much different than up north. yes there are some horribe rappers here due to the fact cats have a sheep mentality trying to do what the next man does. at the same time there are just as many if not more horrible rappers on the east coast, up north and elsewhere. cats from the east feel they got skills cause of where they are from. BULLSHIT. there are just as wack. the point is that it doesn't fuckin matter where u from, it's where ur at mentally. hip hop has always been about expressing yourself and daring to be different. that's how the whole culture began and manifested into the historical entity it is now. once again, i emphasize, daring to be Different and Expressing yourself in unison with music. with that said, "krunk" music with lil jon and master pee is not artistic lyrically and doesnt require thought. i do hate that as u do. however, it's purpose is to inspire dancing and hypeness at parties and clubs which it DOES. it is okay that they do their thing. one may prefer to mentally dine of the poetic perplexities of skilled wordsmiths as canibus and em. that is also okay. with u saying the "krunk" shit fucks up things is subtracting individuality and expressionism and putting hiphop in a box, thus making it no less constricting than pop and rock, etc. it would make us "sheep' to like only east coast style of rappin. that principle itself is as far as u can get from being hiphop. that is the kinda of attitude that the sheep of society emits. u being a canibus fan, i would think would be a deep thinker and could recognize the relavence of "mixed spices" in hip hop. yes, i once despised master p, and the rest of the krunk artists until it dawned on me in a club while drunk that shit was was dope and initiated a sense of euphoric well being and hypeness. the rush is similar to x in hoes. i realized it had its place and i could chose to not listen to it in any other venue. in short, we're all different and we should celebrate that. that's what hip hop was created to exactly do. but i will say i dont want to hear that shit on my radio either.. that's why i dont listen to the radio. afrika bambatta didnt rap, he chanted and the music was to get people hype ala planet rock. that is as hiphop as u can get. but i aint mad at u...

January 22nd, 2004, 12:13 AM
Anyone want to check out an MC who I would compare to Crooked I as far as voice goes with a better flow IMO and quality lyrics? Check out Reks. This dude is very nice on the mic. From Boston, Mass. :yes:

January 22nd, 2004, 12:21 AM
Ok, this dude is my new favorite MC. Fuck everybody else. Canibus, Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique included. This dude is too sick.

January 22nd, 2004, 3:02 PM
Ummmm, so yeah...that last post wasn't exactly serious but Reks does have skills.

Anyways, this here interview is why I love Kanye West sooo much. Funniest, weirdest, yet somehow most on-point interview I have read in a long while. Sounds like he is going after Rocafella pretty hardcore. This wont spark changes in the mainstream but he is at least trying. Can't wait to hear his album. Twista's was crap btw.

Kanye West: The Producer That Could Pt. 1
By Jigsaw

Renowned producer Kanye West is no stranger to the rap game. He knows rap lyrics very well, even appearing on 1999’s “What You Do To Me,” where he dumped a rhyme with the Infamous Syndicate (group consisting of Disturbing The Peace's first lady Shawnna and now-Chicago DJ Teefa and).

Not much to say about Kanye's production and his talent as a producer, the works speak for themselves.

After a near fatal accident that nearly took his life, Mr. West has bounced back and proved that adversity is something he can conquer. But why in the world does the super producer think his debut, College Dropout, is wack? The rapper/producer gives AllHipHop a lesson in double-talk.

AllHipHop.com: Can you speak on the album and what exactly your fans and listeners going to get out of this album?

KW: I mean just wack basically, just some bullsh*t! I tried my best. I focused on making it as wack as possible. A lot of hours went into it. Especially after the accident. I went in and recorded that wack ass song with my mouth wired shut. It had to be wack because the studio time for me to record it wasn't even paid for. I had to say I was doing something else. I made the wack ass video with the performance shot in it. I just feel like its really wack because a lot of n*ggas rap about jerseys. What I'm doing is wack obviously because it hasn't sold any records and it's all based on record sales and your first week numbers. It's not about whether or not people like the music and it catches on, it's about how many spins you get. So you have to make a record that's gonna get them spins. I haven't got any spins so its wack.

AllHipHop.com: Is there a lack of push?

KW: I wouldn't say that, I would say it's just cause I'm wack. I just think it's some wack sh*t, there's not so many features on it and I'm a producer slash wack rapper. Put that on top of it, it's like I'm swimming in wack juice.

AllHipHop.com: You haven't started to get some of the people you made beats for to lend a helping hand?

KW: Nah, I heard this one rapper I was working on who was like...I'm wack, I'm wack, I'm wack, I'm wack, I'm wack!

AllHipHop.com: What about maybe talking more about shooting people?

KW: I don't want to talk more about shooting people, I just want to be wack. I just want to talk about making it out of an accident and how I feel about that and my relationship with God. How I'm self conscious and how nobody will admit to that or how the temptations I have as a man, when really I should be pointing at myself instead of pointing at everybody else...basically I'm wack.

AllHipHop.com: So how can we get rid of this wackness for you to get that push?

KW: It's like the people have to go and tell the labels...yo what he's doing is not wack.....and I guess they haven't done that yet cause it is wack, still today. Obvious everybody else is hot but I'm still wack. I'm sure after my album comes out, people might start saying that it's not wack, but I'm not expecting people to say that, I'm expecting people to say that it's wack. Once people say that, then I'll be stupid enough to go out and find other wack sh*t to do.

AllHipHop.com: We put you on a mixtape once.........

KW: Don't do that, don't let them get into my rhymes or whatever. I just want to be wack. I said I don't know what's better, getting paid or getting laid. I just know when I'm getting one the other's getting away. I said in an interview I don't spit lines in convo's and XXL gave me a "Negro Please." So what I'm saying must be wack. I said I'm not competing with producers, I'm competing with rappers. If I want to be a rapper it seems like just to me in my own wack mind, that's what I should do, If I want to be a rapper. I want to mean something to the hip-hop community, but they gave me a "Negro Please" for that too so I guess that's not what I should have been doing. I guess when I rap, I should try to fit into what ever style the artists are using and see how similar I can be to that. To try and be different and give my point of view to the world is wack, but I'm just cool being wack!

AllHipHop.com: What about a boycott? Maybe we should boycott the magazines...

KW: Nah I don't want a boycott, I wouldn't want anybody to lose money!

AllHipHop.com: You losing money?

KW: Nah I got a lot of money. I make a sh*t load of money, but not from rap though. I actually lose money trying to rap. If your wack and you try to rap of course your going to lose money.....put money to your wack ass video, your wack ass T-shirts, the wack ass logo you designed yourself, the concepts you came up with, your wack ass mixtapes? You're gonna lose money, but hopefully it flips and it's not wack anymore and you'll make some of that money back. The greatest accomplishments of this year other than making beats for Britney Spears, Alicia Keys, working on Jigga's album, 50 getting a beat and working with Dre, the greatest accomplishment is this artist from Germany gave me $10,000 to do a verse. I used to tell people "you'll pay less right now, but you'll see in a year from now you'll have to pay more to get me to rap on it." Their like "whatever your wack" and now I charge more for a verse. Another stupid thing I did was I didn't really go for any club records with the "featuring" and the DJ screaming across it. I don't know what it was and sh*t to sit and make song that was coming from my heart? I guess it was kind of stupid! Having songs on there that talks about family business, I talked about my cousin that's locked up, my mother. I love my Mom. I know that's wack.

spanish announce table
January 22nd, 2004, 3:37 PM
:lol: That is pretty funny.

"she got a light skinned friend look like Michael Jackson..."

That is wack.

January 22nd, 2004, 4:42 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA oh man that was funny...Kanye's my hero :D

January 24th, 2004, 6:18 PM
I'm gonna buy his wack album the day it comes out.

Seanny One Ball
January 27th, 2004, 2:54 PM
"Infamous" - Mobb Deep

I like it, I like it a lot. I dislike Prodigy though, he looks like a ferret and he has stupid teeth.

Another thing - "Beef" is a great DVD, it made me think that KRS1 is smarter than 90% of people in the industry today.
I wish they'd have put Canibus - LL Cool J and maybe a bit more Jay Z and Nas. They just seem to focus on the violence and the tradition, ignoring the beefs that entail pride or professionalism.

January 27th, 2004, 3:11 PM
"Infamous" - Mobb Deep

I like it, I like it a lot. I dislike Prodigy though, he looks like a ferret and he has stupid teeth.That's all you have to say about one of the best hip-hop albums ever?! :mad:!

January 27th, 2004, 5:58 PM
That's all you have to say about one of the best hip-hop albums ever?! :mad:!

What did you expect from someone who's favourite 'rapper' is Dizzie Rascal?

January 27th, 2004, 6:04 PM
Dizzee Rascal rules, stupid head! :D

I do like him though. Kinda. :$

Anyone else think that if you took Britney Spears off that Toxic song that's out, the beat would be pretty good? :\

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 27th, 2004, 8:03 PM
woooo krs rules seanny, i should've bought "i got next" the other day for a fiver but i had burger king instead

Seanny One Ball
January 28th, 2004, 10:36 AM
What did you expect from someone who's favourite 'rapper' is Dizzie Rascal?

Dizzee Rascal came out with a great album, I respect that a lot because it is a really good album and I'm not ashamed to say I like it at all. I don't recall ever saying he was my favourite though, funny how you always know everything already :yes:

I've listened to The Infamous about twice fully since I got it, my player started to skip tracks a few weeks ago and now it's hard to listen to albums all the way through. Anyway from listening to it properly a couple of times, yeah I do like it - I like the way that it's obviously a lyrical album, tunes like "Shook Ones Pt. 2" are quality, but it's all about the lyrics to me. I don't think I like either Havoc or Prodigy better, but there is a funny ass line where Prodigy says he's skinny - I liked him a bit better after that, initially he has a face that makes me distrust.
Yeah it's a good album, I'd rather hold off on my judgement for a while before I go around saying it's one of the greatest albums ever made - because I may never see it that way. One of Simon's favourites maybe, not necessarily a view taken by me.

Anyone suggest a couple of KRS1 albums that I might be able to get a hold of for cheap? He made 12? I'd like to get some of his most appreciated stuff before I get anything I'm in danger of disliking - also I want to find out more about Common, the rap beef dvd made him seem like a pretty cool guy, and "The bitch in you" is a nice track - anyone recommend any tracks with a similar type of beat? The beats on The Infamous are pretty basic and earthy, I want more of that stuff - the sort of beat Canibus was using in some tracks on Can-I-Bus and 2000 BC.

I'm getting flashbacks of the hundreds of petty squabbles I've had on these boards and it never changes. People always think they're smarter, their opinion is more valid for some reason, but they never think about the difference between opinion and fact. I never post in the listening room to start fights, and I haven't been in the Asylum for months so I'm pretty sure I'd like to post without pretentious wankers pointing silly things out just because they disagree.

I would actually appreciate any decent response to my questions. Flow, Spanish or Quietstorm always have answers, cheers.

January 28th, 2004, 10:43 AM
The Infamous is all about the lyrics AND the beats, to me...the lyrics are nice, but they'd get samey if the beats weren't so good...every beat is perfect for the track, IMO...plus Nas, Raekwon and Big Noyd come well with the cameos. Shook Ones still stands out, but I actually prefer Eye For An Eye nowadays, and possibly Party Over and Survival Of The Fittest as well...maybe just cos I listen to Shook Ones too much though. Awesome album overall.

Everything pre-Electric Circus is good where Common is concerned, IMO. Resurrection is probably his best, but it's not very accessible...Like Water For Chocolate is probably the best one to get if you just want to 'try him out', as it were.

KRS-One...get Return Of The Boom Bap, can't really say much other than that, he's not a favourite of mine.

January 28th, 2004, 1:14 PM
Hell On Earth beats are :drool:.

And get The Sneak Attack along with Return of the Boom Bap. I know everyone else seems to hate on it but it is my 2nd favorite album by him. Hip Hop Knowledge is one of his best tracks ever.

January 28th, 2004, 1:41 PM
I still prefer Murda Muzik to Hell On Earth...nothing on Hell On Earth really stands out for me, other than Drop A Gem On Em. I liked Get Dealt With a lot, and most of the tracks are at least good...but Murda Muzik has some real classics like Quiet Storm, What's Ya Poison, The Realest, Adrenaline etc...

January 28th, 2004, 2:21 PM
Homo Sellout Muzik.

It has a few good tracks but overall it was a big dropoff. Havoc's beats became a lot less dark for the most part and although HNIC was a pretty solid album, this was the start of Prodigy's demise.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 28th, 2004, 2:25 PM
Well I was gonna buy I Got Next just for Step Into a World, if you haven't heard that track I'd download it at least. I've been told loads of times that Return of the Boom Bap and anything with Scott Le Rock (sp?) is the best of KRS. There's always the greatest hits, I think it's called An Introspective, Greatest Hits are always a good place to start.

As for Common, I'm not gonna pretend to know much about 'im, but I'd suggest Like Water For Chocolate like Simon said.

p.s. If you haven't got MiClub: The Curriculum by Canibus, I'd recommend that.

Artists like these are pretty hard to buy in shops over here, well, they are in Southend anyway. If there's a shop near you called "Golden Disc" I'd look in there, otherwise you'll have to buy em online or spend about twenty quid per cd in HMV or Virgin

jesus sucks
January 28th, 2004, 2:40 PM
Hell on Earth is great, Bloodsport is the tune! Havocs flow is amazing in that song.

Not too keen on murda musik, I got it for £4.99 about 4 years ago and i never play it anymore and consider it a bit of a waste.

January 28th, 2004, 2:48 PM
Seanny has MiClub. :cool:

Anyways, I had nothing to do with any of this but I am posting it up here anyways. All credit goes to Pr0x1mo at Canibus-Central for compiling all of this. MiClub: The Curriculum may be his thesis, but in my opinion RtJ contains far more true knowledge. Here are three examples...

Couldn’t understand what I mean by ill
Unless you try to translate what I print
This is the line of reel
The circle of time
The cycle of eternity
The emergence of one line

First line is fairly easy to translate. If you don’t know the lingo, then you would take what bis says literally and probably think he’s suffering an illness.

Second line means that you would have a better understanding of what is being said if you would be able to visualize it (film).

This is the line of reel: Before film is placed on a movie reel, it is a straight line (laid out). Once placed on the movie reel, it forms a circular shape:


Or, the line of real, or our line of reality, how we perceive and experience time/reality. We perceive and experience time and reality in a linear fashion. You’re born, you live you die, no going backwards. Just a straight line:


But,one theory is that time in actuality is actually circular. No beginning no end. When something ends, something else begins and vice versa.

The universe contracts and expands forever, infinity (circle)etc…

The circle of time:

The cycle of eternity; you would notice that time, like the seasons are cyclical, like all events (karma, what goes around comes around etc..)



The emergence of one line:


Or, he could mean his printed lyrical line. In which case it would still make sense because, his lines translated to film would be linear until wrapped around the reel making it circular, hence the emergence of one line.

"Rhymes inscribed on a nickel disk encased in a glass with an ion beam for longevity"


If you're familiar with the Rosetta Stone, you would know why they'd call this the "Rosetta Project".


"The Rosetta Project is a global collaboration of language specialists and native speakers working to develop a contemporary counterpart of the historic Rosetta Stone. In this updated iteration, our goal is a meaningful survey and near permanent archive of 1,000 languages. Our intention is to create a unique platform for comparative linguistic research and education as well as a functional linguistic tool that might help in the recovery or revitalization of lost languages in unknown futures.

We are creating this broad language archive through an open contribution, open review process and we invite you to participate. The resulting archive will be publicly available in three different media: a micro-etched nickel disk with 2,000 year life expectancy; a single-volume monumental reference book; and through this growing online archive. "

"Fifty to ninety percent of the world's languages are predicted to disappear in the next century, many with little or no significant documentation. Much of the work that has been done, especially on smaller languages, remains hidden away in personal research files or poorly preserved in under-funded archives. "

So, now you would know why bis would want to put this on this disk.

heres the link for more info:


The Rosetta stone of sentences / for rap music's tentative //
Entered apprentices / this is Genabis //

The Rosetta stone:



"The Rosetta Stone was the key that unlocked the mysteries of Egyptian hieroglyphics. Napoleon's troops discovered it in 1799 near the seaside town of Rosetta in lower Egypt, and it eventually made its way into the British Museum in London where it resides today. It is a slab of black basalt dating from 196 BC. inscribed by the ancient Egyptians with a royal decree praising their king Ptolemy V. The inscription is written on the stone three times, once in hieroglyphic, once in demotic, and once in Greek. Thomas Young, a British physicist, and Jean Francois Champollion, a French Egyptologist, collaborated to decipher the hieroglyphic and demotic texts by comparing them with the known Greek text. From this meager starting point a generation of Egyptologists eventually managed to read most everything that remains of the Egyptians' ancient writings."

Entered apprentices:

Section 25.010. Entered Apprentices may be admitted as visitors to a lodge of Entered Apprentices upon a showing of documentary evidence of good standing as a Entered Apprentice required under Section 25.020, or by lawful information. Fellow Crafts may be admitted as visitors to a lodge of Entered Apprentices or to a lodge of Fellow Crafts upon a showing of documentary evidence of good standing as a Fellow Craft required under Section 25.020, or by lawful information. (Added 1997-81) After taking the test oath a visitor is entitled to see the charter of the lodge. (1875-65)

Section 25.020. For Master Masons, acceptable documentary evidence of good standing is a dues card for the year ending not more than five months prior to the visit, or a certificate of good standing, dated not more than twelve months prior to the visit. The dues card or certificate must bear the seal of the lodge and the signatures of its Secretary and of the Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge under which it is held. A certificate, issued not more than twelve months prior to the visit by the Grand Secretary under the seal of the Grand Lodge that charter the lodge where the Master Mason is a member, is acceptable. For Entered Apprentices and Fellow Crafts, acceptable documentary evidence of good standing is a letter or certificate indicating good standing bearing the signature of the lodge Secretary where the Entered Apprentice or Fellow Craft is a member. Patents or diplomas of other Masonic organizations are not acceptable under this section. (1904-43, 107)

Section 25.030. LAWFUL INFORMATION. Lawful information, permitting one member to vouch for another exists when: (a) A and B sit in lodge with each other. Each may thereafter vouch for the other as a Freemason of the degree on which the lodge was at labor. ( A vouches to B (each knowing the other to be a Freemason) that C, then present, is a Freemason of a degree not higher than that of either A or B. B may thereafter vouch for C as a Freemason of that degree. Sitting together in a meeting of another Masonic organization, such as a Body of the A.A.S.R., a Chapter of R.A.M., a Council of R. & S.M., or a Commandery of K.T., does not give lawful information to permit voucher. (1904-43, 107)Section 25.040. WHEN MASTER MAY EXCLUDE A FREEMASON. The acting Master may exclude from a lodge a Freemason whose behavior interferes with the proper working of the lodge or whose behavior disturbs its harmony. (Amended 1965-170)


Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 28th, 2004, 2:59 PM
do the people at c-c do anything except listen to/scrutinize canibus?

January 28th, 2004, 3:02 PM
There are a fair share of Canibus haters on the site. Most of them just cry about Canibus talking nonsense now but they just really aren't listening close enough. They are all waaaaaaaah, go back to pre-99 Bis, waaaaaaaaah.

And yeah, they listen to a lot of other stuff. There are a wide variety of hip hoppers there from mainstream dudes to strictly underground to somewhere in the middle, which is probably where I fall...though slightly more towards the underground. :)

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
January 28th, 2004, 3:05 PM
heh, i meant do they have time to do anything else in life when they spend ages doing stuff like that? (see your last post)

January 28th, 2004, 3:08 PM
Ohhhhh. Pr0x1mo said he did it all from work. I'll take his word for it.

Must be similar to Simone's old place of work. :)

January 28th, 2004, 5:15 PM
Ohhhhh. Pr0x1mo said he did it all from work. I'll take his word for it.

Must be similar to Simone's old place of work. :)One day left :(

Immortal Technique hasn't left my CD changer since I got it :)

Obnoxious is definitely the best track :p

spanish announce table
January 28th, 2004, 6:28 PM
do the people at c-c do anything except listen to/scrutinize canibus?

From what I've read on there, yes.

I was listening to "No Return" the other day and people are coming up with some wild ass interpretations of what they think is going on. Maybe Muhammad Jamal purposely took Bis to the bodega where the "three taliban" were? Just an added note, I think QS said that PL2 was spoken through a view of one of his fans. I always thought the first verse before the beat changes was through Rip's eyes as he "followed his career from the first day".

January 28th, 2004, 7:32 PM
I never said anything about it being through a fan's eye I don't believe. The only time I think I have ever talked about fans and Stans is when referring to CTHS.

As far as I have interpreted PL2 goes from Rip til the beat changes and then to his Canibus personality and then the next beat change with the whole "I just want to holla at some big booty bitches" line and all that is Germaine. And then it goes back to Rip for the end. I mean, it would sort of have to with the Alicia Keys line and then the "Canibus why don't you speak to me".

But a fan in there somewhere, I don't believe I said that. Could have though right when the album first came out and I was trying to absorb everything.

50 Cent
January 30th, 2004, 12:35 AM
Its hip hop niggas, time for Royce Da 5'9 to drop that classic LP the first blockbuster of the year.

Feburary 24th Death is Certian cop that shit.

January 30th, 2004, 12:38 AM
Royce is the best there is out of Michigan. Fuck the rest.

Except One Man Army. He is sick. Dammit. Ok, Royce is the second best out of Michigan. :$

Raw Is Jonathan
January 30th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Royce has got a new album?!



50 Cent
January 30th, 2004, 3:04 PM
Kanye West just got ripped that nigga is a fucking genuis best producer out there right now fuck what yall heard. The album is pure hotness. To many skits but who the fuck cares a whole album full of Kanye beats anything out there right now. Holla back.

January 30th, 2004, 3:56 PM
twista's new cd is f'n sick. Just got it yesterday and it's well worth the money. And yes, Kayne West is the shit.

January 30th, 2004, 4:04 PM
Kanye's getting overplayed...I've never got tired of someone I thought was so great, so fast. Most of the beats are nothing special at all, same old sped-up sample hook, and he's not a great rapper. Kinda disappointed that I'm tired of him already.

Twista is cool...still can't believe a big fat dude can rap so fast. Holy breath control, haven't seen that type of thing since Pun.

January 30th, 2004, 4:30 PM
Twista album blows.

Kanye album rocks.

Edit: But Kanye did fuck up a little bit. My Way was the best song he did and he took it out. Way too many skits. The only track that really sounds a lot better redone is Family Business. And he took out the Jesus Walks intro which is the only skit there should have been. I'll definitely be getting that Kanye Essentials mixtape coming out at the end of February. It will have all the tracks that he took out.

spanish announce table
January 30th, 2004, 5:14 PM
Twista is cool...still can't believe a big fat dude can rap so fast. Holy breath control, haven't seen that type of thing since Pun.

And he enunciates all his words pretty clearly which is even awesomer.

What the hell happened to Pitch Black?

January 30th, 2004, 5:23 PM
I have never really cared for Twista. I anticipated his Rocafella album but in the end I was unimpressed.

I don't know about Pitch Black. Some people call them the Wu Tang of the 21st Century. I dunno about that but if they have Premier on their side that can only mean good things. I think their album was originally supposed to be out by now but was then pushed back. Maybe March or April? Hopefully. I am curious to see how it comes off. There is a mixtape floating around of a lot of their stuff. May have to try and get that.

50 Cent
January 31st, 2004, 12:34 AM
That Twista album is burn material not purchasing material. Its beats and shit get real weak fuck that fat nigga. Kanye is awesome, and Common ripped Get Em High to shreds, hopefully his new album is hard as his verse hes gonna fuck the game up with beats by Kanye.

Wow Feb is gonna be hot, Kanye, Royce oh wow.

January 31st, 2004, 6:12 AM
Its beats and shit get real weak fuck that fat nigga. Lose the attitude.

50 Cent
January 31st, 2004, 1:11 PM
Lose the attitude.

What attitude player im just stating the truth holla back.

Why is thread not a sticky just another atempt by the white man to glorify the white music and shit on the real music.


50 Cent
January 31st, 2004, 1:11 PM
Lose the attitude.

What attitude player im just stating the truth holla back.

Why is thread not a sticky just another atempt by the white man to glorify the white music and shit on the real music.


January 31st, 2004, 1:25 PM
What attitude player im just stating the truth holla back.

Why is thread not a sticky just another atempt by the white man to glorify the white music and shit on the real music.

Peace'Fuck that fat nigga'. I'd call that bad attitude. Don't do it again, or you're gone.

Same with whatever stupid crap you're spouting about the white man blah blah blah...do you even think about what you're going to write, ever? It's not sticky because it doesn't need to be.

January 31st, 2004, 2:03 PM
Can anyone tell me the name of the song that Kanye samples in 'Never Let You Down'? It's really pissing me off, and I want it now :\

50 Cent
February 1st, 2004, 1:02 AM
'Fuck that fat nigga'. I'd call that bad attitude. Don't do it again, or you're gone.

Same with whatever stupid crap you're spouting about the white man blah blah blah...do you even think about what you're going to write, ever? It's not sticky because it doesn't need to be.

Calm down man haha I just stated my opinion you cant ban me for that, you even called Twista fat. We don't need to fight over some fat guy anyway, he made a weak album.

February 1st, 2004, 1:07 AM
What attitude player im just stating the truth holla back.

Why is thread not a sticky just another atempt by the white man to glorify the white music and shit on the real music.

People of African decent are more commonly referred with 'hip hop' and 'rap' but it does not mean it is 'their music' same with rock and whatever else. It is music, not owned by one group, just music.

And anyway the 'real music' you speak about has the only sticky thread about a specific genre.

I always pronounces Kanye ays Kayne. But yea, Through the Wire is good, I like it. This is coming from someone who isn't all invested into hiphop

*edit* Well, I know it was stickied before! But now it is not. Still the only genre one stickied that I remember.

50 Cent
February 2nd, 2004, 6:46 PM
People of African decent are more commonly referred with 'hip hop' and 'rap' but it does not mean it is 'their music' same with rock and whatever else. It is music, not owned by one group, just music.

And anyway the 'real music' you speak about has the only sticky thread about a specific genre.

I always pronounces Kanye ays Kayne. But yea, Through the Wire is good, I like it. This is coming from someone who isn't all invested into hiphop

*edit* Well, I know it was stickied before! But now it is not. Still the only genre one stickied that I remember.


February 2nd, 2004, 6:49 PM
Okay GO RAMSSeriously, if all you're going to do is talk shit and not add anything, stay away.

I just re-downloaded the old live concert where Pac and Biggie freestyle live...clearly neither of them are actually freestyling, but both of them bring serious heat, 2pac sounds PISSED, and he's just playing around. Man I wish I could have seen those two live :(

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 2nd, 2004, 6:50 PM
Kazaa Lite? Wha's it called?

February 2nd, 2004, 7:30 PM
Just type in '2pac Live', it'll come up with a load of matches for 'To Live And Die In L.A.' and 'Runnin' (Dyin' To Live)' but will come up with a few matches of a freestyle with Biggie and Pac. Biggie kicks ass lyrically ("Oh my God I'm droppin' shit like a pidgeon, I hope you're listening, smacking babies at they christening" :D), but Pac just goes CRAZY, the guy sounds serious pissed off. It's great to listen to, if you get a decent version of it you can hear the crowd reaction...they're buzzing for Biggie, but when Pac gets introduced they just go mental, awesome stuff.

February 2nd, 2004, 8:18 PM
For someone who acts like he is the hot shit when it comes to rap and hip hop, you really have nothing to say when shown up. Won't even fight back, what disgrace to your name.

50 Cent
February 3rd, 2004, 1:36 AM
Calm the fuck down people im just having a little fun.

And the freestyle u talkin bout is from MSG riiiite? If so Pac ripped Biggie.


Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 3rd, 2004, 10:42 AM
Born Again is actually pretty good, I've only listened to the first half (ish) of it though.

The song with Busta and Snoop is cool as shit

February 3rd, 2004, 2:28 PM
Bitch! You Dead Wrong!

February 3rd, 2004, 2:34 PM
I love that song. Biggie is great on it, but Em comes with one of the hottest guest spots I've ever heard...there's seven different levels of devil-worshipping, horse's heads, human sacrifices, cannibalism, candles and exorcism...

February 3rd, 2004, 2:59 PM
Yeah. back when eminem owned.

spanish announce table
February 3rd, 2004, 5:59 PM
I thought Em's verse opened kinda lame, but picked up nicely after that. I cant even listen to Big's verses because they are some of his worst rhymes.

I saw RZA's video for "We Pop" today and it is CORNY. The song isn't bad, but the video has every rap stereotype imaginable in it.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 3rd, 2004, 7:43 PM
I prefer RTD and LAD, but it's still a good/alright album.

I saw We Pop a little while ago, it's catchy as fuck and fucks up my speakers if I have it on too loud

50 Cent
February 3rd, 2004, 10:56 PM
Dead Wrong is a dope song, Biggie spitting some hardcore rhymes how can you say he is at his worst.

Raw Is Jonathan
February 4th, 2004, 2:50 PM
Worth checking David Banner out?

spanish announce table
February 4th, 2004, 3:11 PM
Dead Wrong is a dope song, Biggie spitting some hardcore rhymes how can you say he is at his worst.

He's talking about raping men with brooms and having sex with pre-pubescent girls. Now compare that to something like "Suicidal Thoughts" or "Long Kiss Goodnight".

February 4th, 2004, 6:36 PM
I agree that Ready To Die is a better album than Life After Death, but its funny cuz my two favorite Biggie songs are on the latter: I Got A Story To Tell and Niggas Bleed. The story-telling is off the hook on both of those.

jesus sucks
February 4th, 2004, 6:38 PM
how boss is this, i own the net handle letmeride@hotmail.com :D i can pretend to be Dr Dre with a username like that.

Kris P. Lettus
February 4th, 2004, 6:56 PM
Worth checking David Banner out?


Hella cameo's which it doesn't really need, awesome productions, good flow, etc..

It even has a Nelly cameo that I like..


Kris P. Lettus
February 4th, 2004, 6:58 PM
He's talking about raping men with brooms and having sex with pre-pubescent girls. Now compare that to something like "Suicidal Thoughts" or "Long Kiss Goodnight".

Biggies rips tight no matter what the subject matter..


p.s.RiJ, if you liked Mississippi the Album you like the new one.. Same shit, just more of it..


spanish announce table
February 6th, 2004, 5:34 PM
I saw the new Royce video yesterday. The concept adds nicely to an already awesome song. I can't wait for this album.

February 6th, 2004, 8:57 PM
Death Is Certain is supposed to be great...everyone's saying it's a 'vast improvement' over Rock City...I liked Rock City, what's going on? :$

Raw Is Jonathan
February 7th, 2004, 8:58 AM
Tell me the best hip hop site please.

I want to know what's coming out in the next few months...

February 7th, 2004, 9:01 AM
Chingy's new album is fantastic, I was really surprised by how good it was...probably because I had low expectations. But go out and buy it, now. Plus you also need to get Outkast's new double LP. :yes:

February 7th, 2004, 9:02 AM
Chingy's new album is fantastic, I was really surprised by how good it was...probably because I had low expectations. But go out and buy it, now. Plus you also need to get Outkast's new double LP. :yes:Chingy is terrible.

Speakerboxxx rules, The Love Below is still shit, whatever people say.

February 7th, 2004, 9:32 AM
I agree The Love Below is shit, although there are a few good songs on it.

Chingy's album is actually a great cut, I was surprised as I wasn't expecting anything other than cheap Nelly-sounding rap after the first single. But it is original, well produced shiznit. :yesyes:

February 7th, 2004, 9:39 AM
The moment you said Chingy is original, that's when everything else you say is invalid. Chingy is the most unoriginal shitbox rapper you can hear.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 7th, 2004, 11:30 AM
Outkast's new double lp? It's been out for ages. Chingy is ass, I can't believe Snoop did a song with him :(

February 7th, 2004, 12:30 PM
And Ludacris :no:

February 7th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Well he is on ludacris' label, so, to sell records, he had to like "push" him more by getting people on tracks with him.

February 7th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Wait, Speakerboxxx rules? If there's one thing that having an album for a few months has ever taught me, it's that Big Boi's is the weaker of the two by quite a bit. And I'm a huge Outkast fan ... don't think I'm one of these idiots that bought it for "Hey Ya" or something.

February 7th, 2004, 12:39 PM
I lik 'em both.

I used to think Big Boi was the better by far due to collaborations with Cee-lo and his verses on some older 'kast songs. But after getting this, I look at the both equally now.

February 7th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Wait, Speakerboxxx rules? If there's one thing that having an album or a few months has ever taught me, it's that Big Boi's is the weaker of the two by quite a bit. And I'm a huge Outkast fan ... don't think I'm one of these idiots that bought it for "Hey Ya" or something.If Speakerboxxx got released on it's own, I'd say it would have been considered the second best mainstream hip-hop album of the year, behind The Black Album (which I fall in love with more every day :$)...it's filled with great tracks, Big Boi is as good as ever and the production is great.

February 7th, 2004, 12:43 PM
No response to my Chingy point! :mad:

Speakerboxxx is good for the hiphop, very good actually, nothing I didn't expect.

But The Love Below has this whole different vibe to it, something just caught me on it.

February 7th, 2004, 12:47 PM
It's impossible to compare the two albums really because there's almost no hip-hop on TLB...ignoring comparisons to that, Speakerboxxx stands up on it's own as a great rap album, IMO.

With the Chingy thing...well, there's nothing to reply to really, obviously they can make more money from Chingy's album if they get Luda on a track, but that doesn't make Chingy any less shit :mad:

February 7th, 2004, 12:48 PM
That, and I think he like tries too hard to slur his words.

February 7th, 2004, 12:52 PM
He's just all-round shitty, really.

Ludacris is the man, still love Word Of Mouf and Chicken And Beer is solid too...oh, and Back For The First Time is the shitttttttt.

February 7th, 2004, 12:54 PM
'Red Light District' is his new album, he wants it to come out late this year, early next year.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 7th, 2004, 1:29 PM
I downloaded The Black Album today...


I know I'm probably the biggest Jay-Z mark, but c'mon it's the shit.

spanish announce table
February 7th, 2004, 2:01 PM
No response to my Chingy point! :mad:

He has minimal skills and his songs dont appeal to me at all. His content is repetitive and more of the same stuff we've been hearing for a long time. The album might be better compared to the low expectations you had for it, but by no means does that make it good. I guess it's just a matter of opinion though.

Are we stuck on this Outkast argument again?

February 7th, 2004, 2:50 PM
I never said it was good.

I hate it too.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 7th, 2004, 2:52 PM
Yeah Andy liked it... but this is the bloke who liked La Bella Mafia

Raw Is Jonathan
February 10th, 2004, 3:13 PM
I'm not feeling the black album as much as everyone else.

Some fucker listened to it with me the other day and said all he wants to do is chat on about how he's the greatest, and for some reason they are the only lyrics i hear...

there are some siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick tracks on the album though.

*goes to pre-order royce*

you fuckers are useless, not one suggestion for websites!

well you lot are webshites!

February 10th, 2004, 5:05 PM
If Speakerboxxx got released on it's own, I'd say it would have been considered the second best mainstream hip-hop album of the year, behind The Black Album (which I fall in love with more every day :$)...it's filled with great tracks, Big Boi is as good as ever and the production is great.

Well. I'd say it would have been considered a minor letdown and a sign that Big Boi is at his best when working real closely with Dre.

I'm not saying, mind you, that the album doesn't have great moments. It really does. "Ghetto Musick," "Bowtie," "The Way You Move" and "Flip Flop Rock" are excellent tracks. And "The Rooster" is damn good, too. But "Tomb of the Boom" is worse than anything Outkast has ever done. And a lot of the other songs I didn't mention are pretty mediocre, too. Plus, Big Boi's fucking interludes are a waste of time.

I'm not saying Big Boi sucks on his own ... but Speakerboxxx has about 20-25 good minutes on it. Together, the duo was putting out entire albums that were solid.

And The Love Below is different enough that it's clear Dre can come up with some crazy shit on his own. Even if you hate the album, which a lot of you people seem to, you can't deny that much.

February 10th, 2004, 5:14 PM
The Black Album sucks.

Speakerboxxx sucks.

The Love Below sucks.

Death Is Certain even sorta sucks.

College Dropout. Now that is an album right there. :yes:

And ummmm...I hear Biggie is releasing another album. It is going to be called Death After Death. Rumor is the first single is titled I Was Just Playin', I'm Not Really Dead.

He sucks too.

All hail Kanye.

SHUT UP!!! ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

February 10th, 2004, 5:19 PM
Yeah, everyone. Stop discussing hip-hop. You jerks.

jesus sucks
February 10th, 2004, 5:21 PM
I cant wait til monday for college dropout. its gonna be a classic !

February 10th, 2004, 5:37 PM
I'm bored of it already. Really boring, same old sped up samples :no:

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 10th, 2004, 7:50 PM
I'm not feeling the black album as much as everyone else.

Like I said I'm a jay-z mark... I fucking love the first verse (and the intro :D) on Threats

February 10th, 2004, 8:22 PM
I can't wait till monday coz it's half term and this girl im fucking on the sides parents are on holiday for the week!

and Kanye Wests album drops too obviously.

February 10th, 2004, 8:29 PM
Tell me the best hip hop site please.

I want to know what's coming out in the next few months...

I go to....




and for reviews:

February 10th, 2004, 9:18 PM
I go to Canibus-Central. :\

Hip Hopper 247 (this cool Asian dude) hooks us up with all the news and what has been ripped and all sorts of stuff.

And Hack, I was pretty much being sarcastic. The last couple lines were just for anyone who was going to get all pissy about me saying that their beloved rapper or album sucks. You have no idea how many people have attempted to piss me off just by saying Canibus sucks. It doesn't work. Maybe it did at one time but I don't even try and argue it anymore.

Though if you tell me Canibus is gay I would totally agree with you. I mean...who else would say "shit on you in reverse and suck you through a brown hole". And I won't even mention the line in 2nd Round Knockout. :$

My favorite rapper is a homosexual. :cry:

February 10th, 2004, 9:44 PM
Haha! Canibus is gay AND he sucks, double-whammy! ;)

Kris P. Lettus
February 10th, 2004, 10:18 PM
The Black Album sucks.

Speakerboxxx sucks.

The Love Below sucks.

Death Is Certain even sorta sucks.

College Dropout. Now that is an album right there. :yes:

And ummmm...I hear Biggie is releasing another album. It is going to be called Death After Death. Rumor is the first single is titled I Was Just Playin', I'm Not Really Dead.

He sucks too.

All hail Kanye.

SHUT UP!!! ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look back a couple of pages and fuck up, chief...

February 10th, 2004, 10:25 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about. :confused:

But thanks for telling my sarcasm to shut up. ;)

February 11th, 2004, 5:29 PM
College Dropout. Now that is an album right there. :yes:

All hail Kanye.

:bowdown: before Kanye. I have to say that this album is amazing. The man can produce, write, spit...he's got it all. Anyone that likes hip-hop should have this CD. I don't like Ludacris but even his song is good. The only problem that I have is that the theme of the album is about him dropping out of college...like every song and every skit is about how bad college is and how you don't learn anything, that is really the only thing I have against it.

February 11th, 2004, 5:47 PM
You are somewhat right about that, it isn't the greatest message in the world but it does show it is possible to make it without college.

And also it is better than a Death Is Certain theme or something like that. Must...kill...everyone...

spanish announce table
February 12th, 2004, 4:11 PM
I was thinking of buying "Mutant Mindframe" by Big Gipp because I like "I'm Steppin Out" with Sleepy Brown. Is this recommended by anyone?

February 14th, 2004, 12:38 AM
originally posted by Fabulous Sport

Fu-k what you've heard about the industry to now, fu-k all major record labels and fu-k all major recording artists as well, fu-k Nas, Jay, Em, Nelly, Chingy, Jermaine Dupri, Dr. Dre, Russell Simmons, The ROC, All Of Shady, Desert Storm, R. Kelly, Fabolous, Joe Budden, all mainstream rappers I haven't mentioned. Let me tell you the real industry............

I've been signed for about 4 months now to a major label and now I wish I never started rapping, producing, or even getting into the music business, I'm going to college. You know why underground rappers never shine?? You wanna know why it's so hard to get a deal?? You wanna know why some artists can write 6-7 albums while some cats struggle to write one?? You wanna know why It's more A&R's that exists on labels than it is actual artists on the label?? You wanna know why Interscope is suppressing the whole Eminem thing??

Here Goes.......

Most cats believe they can get a deal by spittin' some sick lyrics or making some good songs, wrong. You know what labels do?? A&R's don't look for artists, not at all, Labels sign around 25 artists per decade and then freeze signings. A&R's don't go look for the next big artists, they look for hit songs and writing pools and people who can sing backup vocals. A&R's aren't worried about finding artists with star quality that have interesting backgrounds, oh no, not at all.

Here's how they do rappers.........Raping-U-Records artists are starting to get old and played out so they send an A&R out to find a punkass rapper who lives in a respectable area. Next, they make sure the artist is marketable, then they'll sign the artist. Now Rapper A has a record deal with no previous history of rapping, next the label will setup a front to make it look like they discovered the artist (might sign a kid first, then set it up to make it look like this kid was rapping in front of a crowd at a gas station where a highly known A&R just happened to be getting gas from).

Next, they'll sit down with the artist and have this reality talk to them, explaining to them that the industry is a business and none of this is real. Now, they'll overexagerate their background and even lie about their age and where they grew up, they'll push a suburban to a harder area then they're really from. They find a an angle (pop's died, parents divorced, got shot, sold drugs, friend died) and push that angle to build the artist sentimental respect (who likes a punk who lived a perfect life??). They'll use that angle to build a story around them and how that event or events affected them.

Now, they hit the studio, right?? Wrong!! Now here is what real A&R's are meant for. They'll send out their A&R's and stupid cats like me will kill to get the demo in their hands, once these A&R's have a good number of SOLICITED demo's they'll tell Rappers B, C and D to send the label some material. Rappers B, C and D think they might get a deal, so they get their demo package together with Bio, Pic's, Press Kit and the actual demo. They probably tellin' their guys that they finna get signed and ish. Wrong........

Now A&R B is at the label listening to the demos of Rapper B, C and D. A&R B doesn't care for anything but the songs. A&R B is really feeling Rapper B and D's demo's (capable hit songs) but not Rapper C. So that's when Rapper C gets the rejection letter. Now the A&R is interested in Rapper B & D's material, so they'll write them and ask them to send more material, now B & D really think they're gonna get signed.

A&R B listens again and feels as if Rapper D isn't as good as he thought he was but still feels Rapper B. Now he sends a rejection letter to Rapper D. Now the contact is made with Rapper B and a meeting is set up. Sounds lovely right?? Keep Reading....A&R B and Rapper B and a few exec's have a meeting and now Rapper B is hit with REALITY. A&R B explains the real music business and gives Rapper B a choice, either walk out that door and be forever blackballed or the alternative.

You remember Rapper A, right?? Rapper B has been hit with the reality that he will never be a star. Rapper B just sent in about 10 songs to A&R B which were purchased and now will be on Rapper A's album. Rapper B is now merely part of a writing pool, he will continue to make songs under the supervision of an A&R, only not for himself, for everyone else. Now Rapper B sends about 10-20 songs to Rapin-U-Records every 3 months and now Rapper A, Rapper X, Rapper J and Singer T go through Rapper B's material as well as the other hundred's of Rappers and Singers that are merely writing pools material and pick which song they want on their album.

Now here is where the process takes place, Rapper A chooses 3 songs from Rapper B, 4 songs from Rapper Y and 2 songs from Singer U to make an album. Rapper A might want to do his own song so the label gives Rapper A 2 slots to do his own songs. When the album is finished, starving artists in writing pools are paid off and SILENCED. Now you can read the credits and see Rapper A's name all over, but it's to fool you, the sheep, the cats who buy the albums and the stupid chickenheads that believe anything in writing.

Rapper A has candy stories and rumors started by people at the label that grow and make the Rapper more respectable, more harder and more controversial to keep the life span of Rapper A alive. Guess what?? If an A&R finds someone else who's making better songs than Rapper B, they cut him off and blackball him to keep him silenced, it's that simple, fuk what you heard and believe. Beef?? Real or fake?? Ima tell you this, more beef's in the past and present then you brainwashed muthafukaz will ever believe are fake, some are real but even then you'll believe what you want. Once Rapper A falls off (not lyrically, not songwise) marketwise, they drop them and a new era of MUSIC INDUSTRY BULLSH*T arises.

And that's just the rappers, I'm not even going to get into producing, all Ima say is that most of your respectable producers are merely NAMES, you believe PRODUCER B is ths ish?? PRODUCER B can produce, but how do you think they can produce so many hot songs at one time?? They don't, a label will send out A&R's to find clones (people who've been influenced and therefore have the same sound) of the producer and the same process as with Rapper's A, B, C and D will spark up with producers too. THINK ABOUT IT........

Why do think it took Twista and Memphis Bleek so long to come out again, huh?? Cuz they wanted to write their own albums and didn't want to fall victim, too bad that's not for most of the ROC. Why do you think Ali Vegas will probably never drop and even when he drops, watch what happens......Why do you think 50 Cent couldn't get a deal after Trackmasters?? How come the Bravehearts took so long?? And then didn't even get pushed, promoted or even have money put behind them?? Hey Chicago, where is 3Piece?? Why do you think both MTV MC Battles promised Def Jam and Roc-A-Fella Contracts but Reignman's on his own label and Wreckognize aint on the Roc?? How come Shawnna got shelved?? Why did Universal lie about Nelly's age?? Why did it take Jin some 2 and a half years to come out with a single?? Where the hell is Postaboy?? What did Mase get exposed to that made him choose God over Millions of dollars?? Cats know the truth and don't like it, it's that simple.......

How would you like it if you've been rapping since you were 7, been hustlin demos, doing meaningless talent showcases and then you finally get a deal at age 20 and now you've become Rapper B?? The industry messes people up for real and half these cats who see the Bling Bling and girls think that's all their is, it's like finding out God doesn't really exists and now I've become Rapper B.

Sh*t like this gets cats killed for real, the industry is shady and what you've seen on TV, them DVD's, in interviews, VH1, MTV, whatever is nothing but the "GHOST INDUSTRY" that you've been led to believe is how it is and none of you have any idea, I hate the music industry, I hate the entertainment business, I'm going to college, getting my degree and am leaving this is behind me, FU*K COLUMBIA RECORDS and most of all, ya'll can SU*K my D*CK. To the industry heads on here, F*CK U, go ahead, yeah, I've broken the silence, only the underground is real, FU*K the industry.......

I'm uppin this til everyone reads it, I thought I was about live out my dream and now I've been exposed to the nightmare that is the industry. I was brainwashed, now I'm not, everything I've said in this post is the truth, anything you've heard or been led to believe is bull, this post applies to all them STUDIO wankstaz.......

Cat's I know got ghostwriters and songs come from writing pools.........Fuk what you believe........

Joe Budden
Kanye West
Trick Daddy
Young Gunz
Murphy Lee

And about a bunch of cats I'm too pissed to mention right now......I'm uppin this til the world blows up, think about this ish seriously and a lot of ish will start to make more sense......

-Welcome To The Real Music Industry-

Wow. Everyone should read this.

February 14th, 2004, 7:30 AM
That's stupid, shitty and isn't really backed up by any facts, just 'fuck what you believe' every time he says anything that he can't prove. Whoever that guy is, he's a whiny little bitch who's just pissed because he never blew up.

Raw Is Jonathan
February 16th, 2004, 4:18 PM
Shit i'm feeling this kanye west shit!

for some reason i kinda skeptical, i always am when you lot talk highly of shit, it more than likely is shit!

but not in this case!

only had a couple of listens so far, but proper feeling it!

"the doctor told me i had blood clots, but i ain't jamaican!"

or something like that...

jesus sucks
February 16th, 2004, 4:38 PM
i got the second to last copy hmv in liverpool had, so its basically sold out on the first day which ive personally never seen before. i said to the man at the tills lah, "fucking hell, i think you've sold out of kanye west, i only just about found it!" and he started goin, "yeah i told the stock guy to order more, i dunno what they were thinking ordering a standard supply".

great album. theres a couple of sonngs i dont like, but family business is the tune... :D

February 16th, 2004, 5:10 PM
Shit i'm feeling this kanye west shit!

for some reason i kinda skeptical, i always am when you lot talk highly of shit, it more than likely is shit!

but not in this case!

only had a couple of listens so far, but proper feeling it!

"the doctor told me i had blood clots, but i ain't jamaican!"

or something like that...
I think Simon is the only one talking skeptical. He is dumb though. Don't ever listen to him. ;)

February 16th, 2004, 5:37 PM

I made a massive post on another board about that article you posted...I'm gonna go find and copy across...

February 16th, 2004, 5:40 PM
Wise up, everyone. You think that if any of this shit was true, it'd take until 2004, maybe 10 years afte hip-hop really blew up as a commercial selling genre, to become common knowledge? This is just another bitch rapper who's pissed at the fact that he can't get a proper record deal, maybe even believing the shit that comes out of his own mouth, because he refuses to believe that the reason he didn't make it was because he wasn't good enough.

I'll accept that there are some valid points in what he's saying, but he's HUGELY embellished the shit so that he can try and make a name for himself as 'the guy who named and shamed hip-hop'.

Producers don't make all their own beats? NO FUCKING SHIT. Anyone with even half an ass worth of knowledge knows that Scott Storch, Jeff Bass and the like are synonymous with Dre, Em and the big names. You can take it to an even MORE commercial level, and say that Pharell is the 'face' of the Neptunes, when Chad Hugo is the brains behind the majority of their stuff...he gets his airtime too, but nowhere near as much as Pharell, who is the pretty-boy of the team and is most commercially viable. That's common sense - an ugly guy isn't going to break MTV, no matter how good he can rap/produce...well, we'll leave JD out of this for now. You know.

I'm sorry to crap all over this silly little conspiracy theory, but it's just total shit. The guy basically wanders between making stuff up and stating the obvious...one minute he's telling us that not all rappers write their own material - again, NO FUCKING SHIT. Captain Obvious to the rescue, dun dun dun dun...then the next minute he's telling us he 'knows' that Biggie had people writing shit for him. No doubt that he borrowed ideas from people working close to him, that's just how it goes...maybe he even did copy a whole track...I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's naivety to think that this is something new, or that it's something that's destroying hip-hop.

Simple fact is, this guy's looking at hip-hop through the perspective of 'if you're not on MTV, you're a nothing rapper'...he's ONLY talking about well-known commercial rappers...funny how he ignores people who get known purely for their skill, not for how they were marketed. Gang Starr, Big L, Immortal Technique - even people this dumb motherfucker mentioned, like Biggie...what, am I supposed to believe that Biggie, a fat, ugly, fish-faced bastard with a speech impediment got 'chosen' as the new face of rap music? Fuck no, the guy could rap his 300lb ass off, and people caught onto him on the streets, he blew up because his material was so incredible that the bigwigs knew it would sell based on quality alone, and not based on image. Immortal Technique is the perfect example - this guy doesn't have the image for MTV, for one thing, but his material GUARANTEES he won't get any airplay EVER unless he tones down what he says, because it's too controversial and anti-establishment to hit national airplay...yet people are beginning to know his name, because this guy has something to say, a fresh way of saying it and BASIC TALENT AT FLOWING WORDS OUT HIS MOUTH IN A STYLE WHICH YOU COULD LOOSELY CALL RAPPING. I'm sorry for going overboard with this explanation, but it just pisses me off that every ass rapper and his mother thinks that because he can't get a record deal, the industry is fucking him up the ass with a double intruding dildo.

You know what? I'm never gonna get a deal either. I'm white, middle-class, English, and I've got about as much flow as a block of ice (though my metaphors kick ass - see? :cool:...). Now I have two options. I can sit here whining like a bitch about how I'm never gonna make it because I'm not what the industry wants, or I can accept that I'm not what people want to hear, and don't have the skills to do it...and I can continue to enjoy what talented artists have been releasing for years.


Kris P. Lettus
February 16th, 2004, 11:21 PM
I was thinking of buying "Mutant Mindframe" by Big Gipp because I like "I'm Steppin Out" with Sleepy Brown. Is this recommended by anyone?

Never heard it but as a HUGE Goodie Mob fan I can say it's prolly super tight.. Cee Lo's first album was the shit.. His new one is next on my purchase list..


KPL: Good Die Mostly Over Bullshit

Raw Is Jonathan
February 17th, 2004, 2:46 PM

Come closer so you can hear better..


As if anyone could give a toss to read that dollup of shite!

Go do something productive!

jesus sucks
February 17th, 2004, 3:14 PM
I got "soul food" by the goodie mob today in the post. an old 1995 classic i'd wanted for ages. i havent listened to much of it yet as kanye went sraight back in the cd player but i know it will be a great album.

That line on the last song on college dropout is proper boss
"My money used to be thinner than sean pauls goatee-hair now john-paul-gau-ti-er cologne-fills-the-air"

fucking great :yes:

spanish announce table
February 17th, 2004, 4:26 PM
I enjoy the Goodie guest appearances on Outkast albums, so I might check out some older stuff too :yes:

"Jesus Walks" is friggin' dope.

February 17th, 2004, 5:48 PM
Yeh, HMV were shifting Still Standing for like a fiver, so i copped it, fucking bargain, sweet album. Goodie Mob = :yes:

Kris P. Lettus
February 18th, 2004, 4:22 PM
They put out a greatest hits album called Dirty South Classics... Good stuff..

p.s.the "rock" song on Still Standing is the shit...

Raw Is Jonathan
February 18th, 2004, 4:25 PM
I love this soulful shit!

krispy, sell devin the dude to me my man!

Kris P. Lettus
February 18th, 2004, 4:28 PM
I know I've said it before but everyone should check out P.A.(Parental Advisary) .. They're hard to search for to download so search by album...

-Straight, No Chase
-My Life, Your Entertainment

Download ANY and EVERYthing by them...


Kris P. Lettus
February 18th, 2004, 4:34 PM
I love this soulful shit!

krispy, sell devin the dude to me my man!

Like, talk you into checking him out??

Just go download "in front of the ride", "reefer and beer", "Zeldar", "ha ha"..

I'll give you more if you like..


Raw Is Jonathan
February 18th, 2004, 4:42 PM
No bitch, just tell me an album of his to buy, preferrably a recent one!

Now nigger!

Oops, crossed the line again there...

Come then nigger!

if i'm lovin kanye, then who else would i love?


Kris P. Lettus
February 18th, 2004, 5:00 PM
He only has two..

Devin The Dude


Jus Tryin 2 Live

I :heart: both..

Raw Is Jonathan
February 19th, 2004, 6:00 AM
Gift of the Gab releasing an album soon?

When's Masta Killa's out?

1-3-04, that's the date hmv are giving for detox.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
February 19th, 2004, 6:52 AM
1-3-04, that's the date hmv are giving for detox.
Bloody 'ell, Detox is the Dre album innit?

About fucking time, I might even part with cash for this one

spanish announce table
February 19th, 2004, 12:45 PM
When's Masta Killa's out?

I read an interview a few months ago and he doesn't have a date set yet, but he confirmed that all Wu members make an appearance.

Kris P. Lettus
February 19th, 2004, 12:57 PM
but he confirmed that all Wu members make an appearance.

Even Ol Dirty??

I heard he(ODB)'s pissed at ALL of them for not coming to see him in jail.. Hence, him going to The ROC...


Raw Is Jonathan
February 20th, 2004, 7:37 AM
dangermouse & jemini, worth checking out?

tempting to purchase ghetto pop life...

February 20th, 2004, 10:17 AM
dangermouse & jemini, worth checking out?

tempting to purchase ghetto pop life...Suno shat his load over it, so it might be good. Personally I don't like UKHH, but it's ok...I like Jehst's Falling Down a lot better though...but everyone hates that :(

February 20th, 2004, 12:25 PM
The Grey album was the best of the Jay-z remix albums, followed closely by DJ Kno's. The Dangermouse & Jemini album was decent, I liked the beats...but hated the raps. And as for Jehst, Falling Down was HORRIBLE in my opinion but his Return of the Drifter EP was AWESOME, once again in my opinion.

And in other news... :)


To let you guys know Bis is alive and well, he is still recording as we speak. He remembers CC, so don't turn your back. The anticipation thickens, for the return." - Punisher

Raw Is Jonathan
February 20th, 2004, 12:31 PM
I go to....




and for reviews:

Top bloke, cheers.


Going through another c.d spending spree, having got kanye west the other day, got death is certain and banner's new c.d on order. looking to get biggies two c.d's, devin the dude's c.d, dj quik's greatest hits and perhaps dangermouse & jemini once i've heard opinions from anyone other than simone!

then there's going to be enough c.d's coming out soon...

good job it's my birthday soon!

February 20th, 2004, 1:50 PM
Primo production list:


No More Mr. Nice Guy (1989)

1. Premier and the Guru
2. Jazz Music
3. Got U
4. Manifest
5. Gusto
6. DJ Premiere in Deep Concentration
7. Positivity [Remix]
8. Manifest [Remix]
9. Conscience Be Free
10. Cause and Effect
11. 2 Steps Ahead
12. No More Mr. Nice Guy
13. Knowledge
14. Positivity
15. Here's the Proof
16. The Lesson
17. Dedication

Step in the Arena (1991)

1. Name Tag
2. Step in the Arena
3. Form of Intellect
4. Execution of a Chump (No More Mr. Nice...
5. Who's Gonna Take the Weight?
6. Beyond Comprehension
7. Check the Technique
8. Lovesick
9. Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
10. Game Plan
11. Take a Rest
12. What You Want This Time?
13. Street Ministry
14. Just to Get a Rep
15. Say Your Prayers
16. As I Read My S-A
17. Precisely the Right Rhymes
18. The Meaning of the Name

Daily Operation (1992)

1. Daily Operation
2. The Place Where We Dwell
3. Flip The Script
4. Ex Girl To Next Girl
5. Soliloquy Of Chaos
6. I'm The Man
7. 92 Interlude
8. Take It Personal
9. 2 Deep
10. 24-7/365
11. No Shame In My Game
12. Conspiracy
13. The Illest Brother
14. Hardcore Composer
15. B.Y.S.
16. Much Too Much
17. Take Two And Pass
18. Stay Tuned

Hard To Earn (1994)

1. Intro (The First Step)
3. Code of the Streets
4. Brainstorm
5. Tonz 'o' Gunz
6. Planet
7. Aiiight Chill...
8. Speak Ya Clout
10. Words From the Nutcracker
11. Mass Appeal
12. Blowin' up the Spot
13. Suckas Need Bodyguards
14. Now You're Mine
15. Mostly tha Voice
16. F.A.L.A.
17. Comin' for Datazz

Moment Of Truth (1998)

1. You Know My Steez
2. Robbin Hood Theory
3. Work
4. Royalty
5. Above the Clouds
6. JFK 2 Lax
7. Itz a Set Up
8. Moment of Truth
9. B.I. Vs. Friendship
10. Militia - Big Shug
11. Rep Grows Bigga
12. What I'm Here 4
13. She Knowz What She Wantz
14. New York Strait Talk
15. My Advice 2 You
16. Make 'Em Pay
17. Mall - G. Dep
18. Betrayal
19. Next Time
20. In Memory Of

Full Clip: A Decade of Gang Starr (1999)

1. Manifest [Remix]
2. Step in the Arena
3. Who's Gonna Take the Weight?
4. Words I Manifest [Remix]
5. Ex Girl to Next Girl
6. Take It Personal
7. Mass Appeal
8. Jazz Thing [Video Version]
9. Militia - Big Shug
10. Tonz 'O' Gunz
11. Royalty
12. Who's Gonna Take the Weight?
13. You Know My Steez
14. Above the Clouds
15. Work
16. Royalty
17. Militia - Big Shug
18. Gotta Get Over (Taking Loot)
19. Remainz ?
20. Credit Is Due
21. Jazz Thing [Video Version]
22. Soliloquy of Chaos
23. 1/2 & 1/2
24. Now You're Mine
25. So Wassup?!
26. Betrayal
27. You Know My Steez [Three Men and A Lady Remix]
28. Tonz 'O' Gunz
29. Militia II [Remix]
30. Full Clip
31. Untitled

The Ownerz (2003)

1. Intro (HQ, Goo, Panch)
2. Put Up Or Shut Up featuring Krumbsnatcha
3. Werdz From The Ghetto Child featuring Smiley
4. Sabotage Listen Listen Listen
5. Rite Where U Stand featuring Jadakiss
6. Skills*
7. Deadly Habitz
8. Nice Girl, Wrong Place featuring Boy Big
9. Peace of Mine
10. Who Got Gunz featuring Fat Joe & M.O.P.
11. Capture (Militia Pt. 3) featuring Big Shug & Freddie Foxxx
13. Riot Akt
14. (Hiney)
15. Same Team, No Games featuring NYG'z & H. Stax
16. In This Life... featuring Snoop Dogg & Uncle Reo
17. The Ownerz
18. Zonin'
19. Eulogy
20. Natural (Japanese bonus track)
21. The Squeeze (Japanese bonus track)


"Equality" (Featuring Ky-Mani)
"Mic Stance"
"Menace 2 Society"
"Big Acts, Little Acts (Featuring GZA/Genius)"
"Boulevard (Featuring Guru)"
"Lyrical Monster"

A.G. (Andre the Giant)
"Weed Scented" (Featuring Guru)

All City
"The Actual"
"Afta Hourz"

Arrested Development
"Ease My Mind" (Dj Premier Remix)

"Love Me In Your Special Way"
"Don't Give A **** Now"

"True Honey Bunz"
"Rugged Ruff"
"Three Tha Hard Way"

Big Daddy Kane
"Show & Prove"
"Any type of way"

Big L
"Ebonics (Dj Premier Remix"
"The Big Picture (Intro)"
"Platinum Plus" (Featuring Big Daddy Kane)
"Da Enemy" (Featuring Fat Joe)

Big Jaz (of Immobilarie)
"Love is gone"

Big Shug
"Treat You Better"
"The Jig Is Up"

Biz Markie
"...And I Rock"

Black Eyed Peas
"BEP Empire"

Blahzay Blahzay
"Danger (Dj Premier Remix)"

Boogie Down Productions
"P Is Still Free"

"1st Of Tha Month (Dj Premier's Phat Bonus Remix)"

"Drive By"

Brand New Heavies
"It's Gettin Hectic" (Featuring Guru)

Brand Nubian
"The Return"

"Almost Doesn't Count (Dj Premier Remix)"

Buckshot Lefonque
"Music Evolution (Remix)"
"Some **** @ 78 BPM (Scratch Opera)"
"Ladies & Gentlemen"
"Wonders & Signs"
"Hotter Than Hot"
"Breakfast At Denny's"
"...And We Out"

Charli Baltimore
"Everybody Wanna Know"

Chi Ali
"No Surrender, No Retreat"


"The 6th Sense"

Compton's Most Wanted
"Def Wish II (Remix)"

Cookie Crew
"A Word To The Conscious"

Craig David
"7 Days (Remix)" (Featuring Nate Dogg & Mos Def)

Crooklyn Dodgers 95'
"Return Of The Crooklyn Dodgers"

D&D Project
"1,2 Pass It" (Featuring Mad Lion, Doug E Fresh, KRS-One, Smif-n-wessun & Jeru)
"1,2 Pass It (Remix)"

D' Angelo
"Lady (Remix)"
"Dreamin Eyes Of Mine (Remix)"
"Devil's Pie"

Da King & I
"Flip Da Scrip (Remix)"

Da Ranjahz
"Inspiration ft. Ceelo*

Da Youngstas
"Wake Em' Up"

Das Efx
"Caught In Da Ak"
"No Diggedy"
"Real Hip-Hop"

Devin The Dude
"The Doobie Ashtray"

Dilated Peoples

D.I.T.C. (Diggin' In Tha Crates)

Dj Cam feat. Afu-Ra
"Voodoo Child (Remix)"

Dj Scribble
"Play That Beat Mr. DJ" (Featuring Guru)

Dream Warriors
"It's A Project Thing"
"Lost My Ignorance" (Featuring Guru)

Ed O.G.
"Saying Something"

EZD feat. Afu-Ra
"War & Position"
"For Da Love" (Featuring Guru)
"Return To It" (Featuring O.C.)

Emma Bunton (Spice Girls)
"What I Am is What I Am (Remix)" (Featuring Tin Tin Out & Guru)

Fat Joe
"Success (Primo Mix)"
"Dat Gangsta ****"
"The **** Is Real (Remix)"
"Jealous One's Envy"

Freddie Foxx
"A Part Of My Life"
"Real ***** **** (R.N.S.)"
"The Lah"

Group Home
"Livin Proof (Entire 1st album)"
"Supa Star (1994 Demo Version)"
"The Legacy"

"Whatch What You Say" (Featuring Chaka Khan)
"Hustlin' Daze" (Featuring Donnel Jones)
"Back 2 Back" (Featuring Mendoughza)

Heather B.
"Steady Rockin"

Heavy D. & The Boyz
"Here Comes The Hevsta"
"Yes Yes Y'all"

"Lifestyles Of The Rich & Famous (Remix)"


"The Best Part"

"Ain't None Of Y'all Betta" (Featuring Sheek & Styles)

Janet Jackson
"Together Again (Remix)"
"All For You (Remix)"

"A Million & One Questions"
"A Million & One Questions (Remix)"
"Rhyme No More"
"Friend Or Foe"
"Friend Or Foe 98"
"Bring It On" (Featuring Sauce Money & Jaz)
"So Ghetto"

Jermaine Dupri
"Protector's Of 1972" (Featuring Snoop Dogg, R.O.C. & Warren G)

"The Real One"
"The Pimp"
"Ghetto Law"

Jeru Tha Damaja
"Wrath Of The Math (Entire Album)"
"The Sun Rises In The East (Entire Album)"
"Me, Not The Papes (Remix)"

Just Ice
"I'm A Gangsta"

Just Ice
"Gangstas Don't Cry"
"Just rhymin wit Kane (Feat. Big Daddy Kane)"

Kool G. Rap
"First ***** (Remix)"

"Outta Here"
"Krs-One Attack"
"Gettin Hectic"
"Higher Level"
"Mental Thoughts"
"Rappaz R.N. Dainja"
"I Can't Wake Up"
"MC's Act Like They Don't Know"

Krumb Snatcha
"Closer To God"

Lady Of Rage
"Some ****"
"Microphone Pon Cok"
"Necessary Roughness"
"Back on the block"

Loose Ends
"A Little Spice (Remix)" (Featuring Guru)

"It's Alright (Remix)" (Featuring Guru)

Lord Finesse
"Slave To My Soundwave"
"Baby You Nasty"
"Striktly For Tha Ladies"
"Track The Movement"
"A Lesson To Be Taught"


Limp Bizkit
"My Way (Premier's Way Remix)"
"N 2 Gether Now" (Featuring Method Man)
"Getcha Groove On (Remix)" (Featuring Xzibit)

Macy Gray
"I've Committed Murder (Remix)" (Featuring Guru & Mos Def)


MC Solaar
"Le Tempo"

Memphis Bleek
"Hand It Down"

Mobb Deep
"Peer Pressure"
"Cop Hell (Remix)"

"Rugged Neva Smooth (Remix)"
"Downtown Swinga"
"Firing Squad"
"New Jack City"
"Salute pt. 2"
"Downtown Swinga 96"
"Breakin The Rules"
"Breakin The Rules (Remix)"
"1 Luv" (Featuring Freddie Foxx)
"Handle Ur Business (Premier Remix)"
"Downtown Swinga 98"
"Premier Melody"
"Warriorz Intro"
"Face Off"
"Follow Instructions"
"Roll Call"
"On The Front Line"

Mos Def

N'Dea Davenport
"Bring It On (Remix)"

"N.Y. State Of Mind"
"N.Y. State Of Mind pt. 2"
"Memory Lane"
"Memory Lane (Remix)"
"I Gave You Power"
"Nas Is Like"
"Come Get Me"
"2nd Childhood"

Neneh Cherry
"I Ain't Gone Under Yet"

"Down The Line"

"Rock Stars"

Notorious B.I.G.
"Machine Gun Funk (Remix)"
"Kick In The Door"
"Ten Crack Commandements"
"Rap Phenomenon" (Featuring Method Man & Redman)


"Win The G" (Featuring Freddie Fox)
"M.U.G. (Money Unda Ground)" (Featuring Freddie Foxx)
"My World"
"War Games" (Featuring Organized Konfusion)

"Keep Steppin"

Paula Perry
"Extra Extra"

Pitch Black
"Its All Real"

Poet (from Screwball)
"We Gonna Ill"
"Poet's Comin"

"Set Me Free (Hip-Hop Mix)"

Queen Latifah
"Wrath Of My Madness (Remix) (Featuring Defari)
"Wrath Of My Madness (New Remix)"

Rah Digga
"Lessons Of Today"

"Guess Whos Back"
"It's Been A Long Time"
"New York (Ya' Out There)"
"When I Be On The Mic"
"Waiting For The World To End"

Ras Kass
"Goldyn Child"

"Hardcore Hip-Hop (Remix)"

Red Fox
"You Can't Test Me"

"Gotcha Back"

Robbie Robertson
"Take Your Partner By The Hand (Premier mix)"

Royce Tha 5'9"
"Hip Hop"
"My Friends"

Sauce Money
"Against The Grain"
"Intruder Alert"

"Seen It All"
"**** All Y'all ***** Ass *****z (F.A.Y.B.A.N.)"

Sinead O' Connor
"Famine (Remix)"

Showbiz & A.G.
"The Next Level (Remix)"

"On & On (Remix)"

Snoop Dogg
"Batman & Robin"
"The One and Only"

Sonja Blade
"Look 4 Tha Name"

Special Ed
"Freaky Flow (Remix)"

Sub Sonic 2
"Dedicated To The City"

"F-U (**** You)"
"Comin' Atcha"

Tony Touch
"The Piece Maker"

Too $hort
"In The Trunk (Remix)"

Troy Slugs
"Gotta Shine (Lock Da Game)"

Truck Turner
"Who Am I"
"Breaker One"
"Bring It To Tha Cypha" (Featuring KRS-ONE)

Wendy & Lisa

"Premier's Execution"

spanish announce table
February 23rd, 2004, 12:38 PM
:eek: That's awesome. I could have sworn that Premo did the beat for "Where's My Ladies?" from Jazzmatazz Street Soul.

I heard two new songs by Redman over the weekend. One was with Saukrates, and the other had Erick Sermon and Sy Scott. Does anyone have more information about these songs?

February 23rd, 2004, 1:05 PM
I got College Dropout as well, classy album.

'She's got a black-friend who look like Michael Jackson, she got a white friend who look like Mihcael Jackson'.

Supreme stuff.

February 23rd, 2004, 1:37 PM
College Dropout isn't as bad as I first thought it was...some of the beats are more than just sped-up samples and are actually very nice...Never Let You Down, Jesus Walks, Spaceship in particular. Kanye is a decent lyricist with a few hot punches (the line about not having enough money for a nice car so you named your daughter Alexis...:rofl:...), holds down the album well enough, and doesn't get completely outshone by the well-known cameos like Jay Z.

The best thing about the album is the apparent comeback of Common Sense, as opposed to Common Badu of the last few years :yesyes:

Kris P. Lettus
February 23rd, 2004, 2:10 PM
Everyone shoulkd check out TurnTableLab.com (http://TurnTableLab.com)

It's a cool ass site...

p.s.QueitStorm did you like it??

p.p.s.I'm fiending for the new Cee Lo but am broke..


February 23rd, 2004, 3:48 PM
:eek: That's awesome. I could have sworn that Premo did the beat for "Where's My Ladies?" from Jazzmatazz Street Soul.

I heard two new songs by Redman over the weekend. One was with Saukrates, and the other had Erick Sermon and Sy Scott. Does anyone have more information about these songs?
He probably did produce that. I am sure there are some tracks missing. Didn't he do a track on Xzibit's last album too?

Cool stuff about Redman. About time he had a new album out. :mad:

Seanny One Ball
February 23rd, 2004, 4:10 PM
Got Kanye's album today, Get 'Em High is the track that initially got my attention - having never listened to Talib Kweli before and not having heard much of Common's stuff I was interested and then when I listened to the flow of Common and Kweli I was impressed. Common probably has the best verse but Kweli and Kanye have a nice exchange in it about a girl (Y)

Twisted is pretty fucking fast too!

Good album, not listened to it all the way through more than once though but I'm impressed by Get Em High and Through The Wire is a good debut single (Y)

Kris P. Lettus
February 23rd, 2004, 4:46 PM
Twisted is pretty fucking fast too!

You mean Twista??

Cause he's the Guinesse Book's "world's fastest rapper"..

February 23rd, 2004, 4:55 PM
Twista is clocked at around 12 syllables per second and Tonedeff actually exceeded 13.5 per second. I heard he's thinking about eventually going for the world record but he doesn't wanna be just a fast emcee. He also doesn't consider the guy with the current record an emcee because his lyrics are terrible. Ya can check www.qn5.com for more info on Tone. :)

Kris P. Lettus
February 23rd, 2004, 5:02 PM
I don't know about his new shit, but Adrenaline Rush was super tight...


February 23rd, 2004, 7:32 PM
Twista's lyrics are terrible? Bullshit.

And how can you not consider someone an MC because his lyrics are 'terrible'. Is ole tonedeff sitting there on his thrown saying 'mmmmm terrible lyrics, not an emcee in my book'.

Either way I reckon a Drum N Bass MC like Fearless, Foxy or Ecksman could spit faster than Twista or ToneDeff.

February 23rd, 2004, 7:41 PM
Huh? He wasn't talking about Twista. Sure, I am not a big fan of him but what are you people talking about? Some other dude has the record now.....

February 23rd, 2004, 7:49 PM
Ach cool, I thought you was implying Twista was asscrack or something, I think the fastest MC is foxy though.

February 23rd, 2004, 7:58 PM
What D&B tracks are worth downloading of fast emceeing then? The only thing i have that is even close to fast is Skiba's Is That You?...TUNE! :D

Kris P. Lettus
February 23rd, 2004, 8:16 PM
What D&B tracks are worth downloading of fast emceeing then? The only thing i have that is even close to fast is Skiba's Is That You?...TUNE! :D

AK1200 and MC Navigator put out a live album.. Check some of that out.. Ronnie Size has had some tight songs that were more "jump up" than true d'n'b but good none the less...

February 23rd, 2004, 8:21 PM
For decent tracks with DnB MCing you need to find some live events like One Nation tape packs, the studio tracks with DnB MC's arnt to my taste like Mo Fire, Dont rate the spitting on that shit plus I cant stand that prick Navigator.

Best MC on the scene is Ecksman, handsdown.

Seanny One Ball
February 24th, 2004, 9:30 AM
Yeah sorry, I meant Twista :yes:

Also (Y) = :yes:

I've been using MSN too much.

February 24th, 2004, 9:31 PM
Ras Kass talks about The Horsemen! Word is he is getting out of prison REALLY soon.

Ras Kass: Get Free Or Die Trying Pt. 2
By Paul Arnold

AllHipHop: You been talking all this stuff about Priority Records, how they can't market and promote hip-hop records, but Chingy's platinum my man.

RK: I can say two things: first of all, Priority Record's has enormous luck, and basically, I know DTP Records, I knew everybody before they even signed when they were telling me that Priority wanted to sign Chingy, now, I'm not gonna put no smut on nobody's name, but first of all that's Ludacris' artist that for the most part Ludacris and them took on the role and broke themselves, that has very little to do with Priority promoting the record, all they can do is suck d*ck and ride off of somebody else's fame, they have yet to break an artist still. Congratulations to Chingy, I wish him the best, but to my understanding - I don't want to put nobody else's business out there - they not all that happy. So once again it goes back to, what about Bad Azz, what about Roscoe, when you're not attached to a quadruple-platinum artist what about you?

AllHipHop: Now, going back here a little bit, this has been reported, is it true that they're holding you to the time left in your contract, which is now less than 20 days, until after you're released from prison?

RK: Nope, I have no knowledge of that because they would have to serve me legally with something and they have…

AllHipHop: So basically, when you step out of jail are you still technically under contract to them?

RK: Like I said, we setting a court date. First of all, there's some legal things that I don't wanna talk about and give them no heads-up, so I just can't discuss it, but all I would say is we'll have a day in court to decide all that.

AllHipHop: So let's say hypothetically that you do win in the court proceeding, what then happens to the Goldyn Chyld album? Would you work out an arrangement with them to put it out?

RK: No, I don't want anything to do with Priority Records. I'm pretty sure it would find itself to the bootleggers. It will probably get out in some way, shape or form. I'm not really concerned about Goldyn Chyld, I went out and I did this other album which was initially called Catch Me If U Can, and I'm probably gonna call it Splinter Cell now. I want people to hear (Goldyn Chyld), if it's on raskass-central.com at some point, that's fine.

AllHipHop: Let's get some status updates on some of your side projects, first what's the current state of Golden State?

RK: I love them cats. I talk to Xzibit on a regular basis. There's always gonna be a Golden State in some way, shape or form, I don't know if the original members will always be there, who knows, life take you where it takes you. I mean even Xzibit, he has his a different group now, Strong Arm Steady, which is all the homies too, so it's dope. Personally I think Ras Kass should form a new trio with Eminem and Jay-Z.Well, Jay-Z's retired.

AllHipHop: That was my segue into the next question, according to the Jan./Feb. '04 issue of XXL you're not even in their league. You were awarded one of the top 5 "Negro Please" quotes for the year for the following quote…

RK: I know the quote. I have a lot of respect for XXL, it's kind of like David and Goliath, pick on the little n*gga. I ain't sold the records of (Eminem and Jay-Z) so it's really hard to have a pissing contest when I'm pissing against a fire hose. I was unhappy with my article (June '03), and Kay Slay got on the radio for hours and completely sh*tted on XXL. When I called in, I talked to Slay and I said, 'I think it was kinda foul, they kinda snitched me out,' the sh*t I was unhappy about for all of three minutes at the most. I never said you're a fake Source, you're this that and the third, but it was kiss Kay Slay' a**, and let's sh*t on Ras Kass. In that same issue is their most hated moments, 'Kay Slay b*tching about his review.' So you kiss his a** and then sh*t on Ras Kass 'cause he really can't fight back. Now I'm a "Negro Please," but you printed five letters out of six (August '03) saying the exact same thing I said.

AllHipHop: Do you think folks in this industry respect your actions with regard to fighting your label even though it would mean your incarceration?

RK: I appreciate XXL, allhiphop.com, anybody that gave a f*ck, because I didn't run out and say, 'hey, guess what, I'm not gonna turn myself in, and I'ma have a CD and I want all y'all to come,' like when Nas got to burn the books. Nas sold lots of records so people give a f*ck if he wanna go burn some magazines. I didn't expect nobody to give a f*ck that I'm not gonna turn myself in, I did that for my family and for my kids. I appreciate the fact that XXL gave me a platform to speak, I wish they would have been a little more concise about what I said, and I had a grievance about that. I wanna thank XXL, they still press they can hate on me, they just mad at me now, we gonna make friends later anyway.

AllHipHop: Ok, enough of that, let's move on to something else here, what's the word on the Horsemen, there's a 9 track album floating out there now, but it's not the real album, it's been listed as a pre-quel to a full album according to Killah Priest. Do you know when or if a commercially available Horsemen album will manifest itself?

RK: I think Kurupt's negotiating a deal right now, so I don't wanna step on his toes, but I know he's negotiating on our behalf with a couple of labels.

AllHipHop: Are the Horsemen getting any compensation for the sales of this pre-quel album?

RK: I don't think so; I don't think I am.

AllHipHop: Have you spoken to Canibus, Kurupt, or Killah Priest since you've been incarcerated?

RK: Yes, Canibus wrote me, I talked to Kurupt a couple of times, and I actually haven't talked to Priest, I was supposed to get his number from Kurupt, everybody's doing good. Kurupt was just kind of telling me what the plan was, they got enough stuff for the first album and then I'll be out by the time we would need to do anything for a second album if that was the case.

AllHipHop: Can you give any hint without ruining things if he's looking towards a major or independent?

RK: I don't know, he had told me a couple of labels that he had sat down with, apparently majors.

AllHipHop: Will your Catch Me If U Can album and DVD ever see the light of day? I think you mentioned that it's gonna be under a new title, so you wanna explain how that's gonna make its way to the public.

RK: Priority sent these letters to "cease and desist," so even the people that did express interest (in distributing it), nobody wants to deal with the headache and lawsuits and people telling you you can't put out what you just spent this money on. Very few people are willing to take that risk, and they tend to be smaller companies. I don't wanna specify, but we'll probably be finalizing a deal on it within the next twenty days, and it'll be a smaller company.

AllHipHop: Was anything already manufactured?

RK: No, nothing's manufactured, all we got is the masters and artwork.

AllHipHop: What happened with the Re-Up compilation that was supposed to be released commercially last summer?

RK: It is, but Priority sent a letter to "cease and desist." If you don't see it in the store, you can go to the front and they can order it, the record is out. It's just Priority sent a letter to "cease and desist," which…

AllHipHop: Did that stop BMG from distributing?

RK: Or really promoting and everything, it becomes that headache. Nobody wants to deal with that sh*t.

AllHipHop: When you get out do you intend to record under the Re-Up Entertainment logo?

RK: I wanna control my own destiny for once. Me and Scipio are the two artists on Re-Up Entertainment.

AllHipHop: Now you just mentioned your protégé and label-mate, Scipio, how do you feel about seeing Young Scip take the reigns?

RK: I'm hating on him right now, nah I'm just kidding. (laughs) He's not my protégé for one, he's his own man, he's just a good cat that ain't a snake, I try to keep good company around me, good energy. I'm really happy man 'cause he got the talent, and he ain't gotta fall into the pitfalls that I fell into.

AllHipHop: Word is he's getting some looks from some big boys.

RK: Yeah man, Re-Up, that's how it got to go man!

spanish announce table
February 28th, 2004, 4:34 PM
When does Ras get out?

The Mackem
February 28th, 2004, 5:01 PM
Westwood, Radio 1, Go Baby BOY!

*drops bombs*

March 2nd, 2004, 8:30 PM
No one is talking about the New Royce album. I think it is quality. He does seem bitter however throughout the record. I read an article about how his fallout with shady came to be. I had no idea that EM had the oppturnity to sign him and chose to push Obie and 50 b4 him. I think Royce spits fire and is better than both of those 2.

The Kanye West cd is also good. However, it is way way to long. The skits kill the album as well. They need to be removed entirely. I think Rocafella thinks if they put out a cd with more tracks it will be more likely to sell. If they would have made Kanye's cd 12 tracks it could have been much better.

In conclusion,

Death is Certain- 4 out of 5 stars
College Dropout- 3 out of 5 stars

March 3rd, 2004, 12:11 PM
Rap Reviews spunked their load over Dizzee Rascal's debut album, APPRECIATE!

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
March 3rd, 2004, 3:40 PM
On Urban (gayness) Kiss today, the stupid bitch trying to be hip was selling Through the Wire, except she called him Kayne West.

spanish announce table
March 3rd, 2004, 4:32 PM
What do you guys think about the song "My Block" by Tupac from "The Show" soundtrack? I personally think it's one of his best.

Kris P. Lettus
March 3rd, 2004, 4:43 PM
"My Block" by Scarface is better..


Anyone gonna check out Sleepy Brown's solo shit??

March 3rd, 2004, 5:25 PM
On Urban (gayness) Kiss today, the stupid bitch trying to be hip was selling Through the Wire, except she called him Kayne West.EVERYONE fucking does that, it pisses me off...I mean, I could understand it, but he says his name in half his songs. Unforgiveable.

And yer, Scarface's My Block is better IMO...as is the remix of the original 2pac that's on Better Days.

March 3rd, 2004, 6:23 PM
On my block! Where everything is everything fo sheezy!

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
March 3rd, 2004, 6:48 PM
The Scarface one owns

March 8th, 2004, 4:06 PM
The lyrics to the new Chino XL single, "Wordsmith". The first two verses are the ones he used on the Wake Up Show, but the last one is entirely new. Can't wait to hear this. Should be available to download on allhiphop.com on the 8th.


It’s crazy…

flawless masterpiece, no mistakes
Back in the 1800s I was burned at the stake
Metaphor Mephistopheles,
Degrees I’ve achieved
The brain fluid it takes to believe
would equal the seven seas
I could reveal the true name of God
But you would go insane upon hearing it
Release enough winds to
blow down pyramids
I’m the Michelangelo of syllable
Since I freestyle
Genesis been biblical
That’s something you got to give in to

(Verse I)
Since born in my mama’s vaginal sauna
As a sonogram, I’ve been fond of phonics
It’s ironic, even as an embryonic
Fed through an umbilical
don’t that sound biblical?
I’ve been a terror
Since I teareth out of the uterus
Because evil plans were made to defeat us
As a fetus
Though now I walk in infamy
As a child they had it in for me
Was raised with guns in infantry
In diapers and in infancy
The childhood of a hood
that was raised in the hood
Cops said “put your hands in the hot sky”
I put my hands down on the hot hood
I can’t whine or drink wine
Nine planets planned it
‘Til it became apparent
My parents shouldn’t have been a parent
State to state we ran some
I wasn’t worth no ransom
Money, won’t you hand some?
A nigga wasn’t handsome
Raise the mind like Charles Manson’s
New I was some man’s son
But which one?
That made me strong
created my poison tongue…


(Verse II)
Why you cut school?
Cause you ain’t feel too good
I cut school
cause my cuts ain’t heal too good
Through all the physical abuse
My mind escaped
through the gift of wordplay
I memorized encyclopaedias and dictionaries
I wrote anthems from antonyms
Harmonies from homonyms
Created cinema from synonyms
Was livid to eliminate
that illustrious life you’re livin’ in
Wrote rhetoricals in rhythms
Made rhymes out of religion
Use a prefix as a crucifix
Or suffocate you with a suffix
Wrote lectures so infectious
They’re known to infect the listeners
Who dissin’ us?
Yo punks you wait – I punctuate
My karma’s the comma
That put you inside of a coma
Hyphen, semi-colon, dot, dot
Leave you semi-swollen
Question: You pregnant?
Oh you’re not? I love you, Period.
To sum it up, language is my essence
Fucked up in all my adolescence
Till my Mom’s was out of lessons
Laws, I store convenient
Still I rob a convenience store
Love Mom, Fuck Mom,
Shit, I don’t love me no more
Mentally it didn’t register, bitch
Empty the register, bitch
You just a cashier, bitch
Give the cash, here
Or I’ll shoot you in your cabbage
Hijack a getaway cab, bitch
Words ain’t makin’ me no loot
Don’t change now Dow Jones average
Regardless, we’re Godless
They stole my innocence
In a sense, the judge sentenced me
To 3 lifetimes sentences
To put my life in times and sentences
Art my dark archnemesis
They want me off the premises
That’s what the premise is
Locked on a tier
where you can’t shed a tear at
I studied more Shakespeare
Than any African can shake a spear at
And the whole world fears that
And it hurts
I got caught for killing time
But then I got with words


People can say whatever they want about me
But agree that I am the Wordsmith
They can try to ignore everything that I’ve achieved
But agree that I am the Wordsmith
I am the Wordsmith
The love of words is deep in my brain
Must be to silence my pain
I am the Wordsmith

(Verse III)
I’m in a game full of morons
And they keep putting more on
I tutor the Torah
I’m in the core of the Qu’aran
The mind’s what I represent
And mc’s better re-present
I’m taking this rappin’ bullshit
to the fullest extent
I have reservations
why Indians are on reservations
Told that board of education
I was bored of education
As far as this go
I leave you deader than Disco
Rocking sex and violence
Over sax and violins
Through your minds camera lens
You’re in need of an ambulance
I’ll knock you to the asphalt
It’s your own ass fault
Your last thought
I’ll never sell my self short to be famous
And taking it up the anus just ain’t us
The world could get the penis
Of this classically trained pianist
My P.O. was p.o.’d
Handed me a cup, told me to “pee in this”
The linguist musician
My college position is that my intuition
Told me I wouldn’t be affordin’ tuition
My education’s all on my own
I might have been born yesterday
But I rhyme like there’s no tomorrow…

Kris P. Lettus
March 8th, 2004, 8:28 PM
Those aren't the verses he did on the Wake Up show track I have by him..


March 9th, 2004, 3:48 PM
My review of Illmatic that I wrote for a British 'urban' (:yuck:...) website...

Nas - Illmatic

The best album ever made, period. The album by which all other albums are judged. Simultaneously the best and worst thing that could ever have happened to Nas - renowned for being the creator of the greatest hip-hop album of all time, but also the creator of an album so good that everything else he ever does will be disappointing compared to it.

At first glance, this album might not stand out to a first-time buyer who doesn't know his Nas from his Noreaga...only ten tracks, where's the value in that? One listen tells you where the value is. The value is in EVERY track being a classic. You might get the odd album where you can honestly there's no filler material, no weak links in the CD...but you simply don't get albums that can truly say that every track is unbelievably great.

The album kicks off with 'Genesis', a brief introduction to the voice of Nas, previously only heard on Main Source's 'Live At The Barbeque', or maybe a few collaboration tapes with Akinyele if you were lucky enough to get hold of them...maybe it's just in retrospect, but this seemingly meaningless intro track seems to fill you with a sense of expectation, partly because it has a sample of the aforementioned ‘Barbeque’ track - nothing meaningful is really said, and the music used has no real atmosphere to it, but you just know something special is coming - and Nas doesn't disappoint.

I've already said that this album is literally jam-packed with classic material, which is why it's all the more insane that one track stands head and shoulders above all others, the awesome 'N.Y. State Of Mind'. Premo laced the beat for this storming ode to life in New York, and it's arguably the best work he's ever done. A bouncy piano loop mixed with a sweet xylophone roll and the most recognizable drum beat you'll ever hear make for a truly excellent beat...I defy any rap fan not to have their own lyrics running through their head when they hear this beat, it's THAT infectious. With a beat this good, anyone could spit over it and sound like a king - Nas does that, and then some. The lyrics stand up by themselves as great – the wordplay, the metaphors and the flow are impeccable – but take on a new level of quality when you realise that Nas was SEVENTEEN when he wrote these lyrics. A mere kid, he created a track that is among the most quotable (and indeed quoted) of all time. ‘I don’t sleep, cos sleep is the cousin of death’ – just one of many brilliantly thought-out lines, and that’s just the first song of the album.

‘Life’s A Bitch’, featuring the only guest artist on the album, AZ, kicks in with a laid-back groove, produced by L.E.S. and featuring Nas’ own father, Olu Dara, on trumpet. Another great track, with a totally different style to the previous, Nas drops more knowledge that would make hip-hop legends stand up and take notice, even though as he says himself, ‘I woke up early on my born day, I'm twenty years of blessing, the essence of adolescent leaves my body now I'm fresh in’. The mind boggles how a youngster can have the know-how to be spitting lines like ‘I switched my motto, instead of saying fuck tomorrow, that buck that bought a bottle could've struck the lotto’. You can sum up AZ’s verse simply by saying it’s the best he’s ever done – the unknown that came out with a hot verse on the best album ever, put out one half-decent album and dropped back into obscurity. Suffice to say that he’s good enough to not look out of place on this track alongside Nas, even dropping the nicest line on the track, in my opinion – ‘And my mentality is money orientated, I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it’.

Next up is Pete Rock’s anthemic ‘The World Is Yours’, probably the closest the album has to a real club-banger. The beat has a party atmosphere to it, with a funky piano loop and nice scratching on the hook, but Nas doesn’t treat this as an excuse to come with some played-out ‘weed and bitches’ lyrics – once again, it’s straight street knowledge in abundance. While he’s not telling a story per se, the lyrics have incredible depth, every description is detailed to the last dot – even when he’s describing his own brilliance (and don’t forget that though it takes the listeners to confirm the brilliance, Nas is hardly one to keep quiet about it himself – as he says, ‘Who’s world is this? It’s mine, it’s mine, it’s mine’).

One thing that I’ve never understood is how Nas got such well-known and respected producers on this, his debut album…not only did he get DJ Premier to produce three of the ten tracks on the album, and other stars such as Pete Rock and Q-Tip, but the legendary Large Professor also chips in with three awesome tracks – the first of which is ‘Halftime’. Kicking in with a pounding bassline and what sounds suspiciously like sleigh bells, it’s another superb instrumental for Nas to lace with insightful and thought-provoking lyrics – again, he doesn’t disappoint, letting the listener know of his rise to the top – ‘[I] kick my little raps cause I thought niggaz wouldn't understand, and now in every jam I'm the fuckin’ man’. And yet again, Nas shows knowledge beyond his years – how many 20-year olds do you know who’s attitude on sex includes ideas like ‘I won't plant seeds, don't need an extra mouth I can't feed’?

‘Memory Lane’ is another funked-up beat from Premier – hot drums, nice keyboard loop and a choir using their voices as an instrument rather than a way of putting forward words, simply singing ‘ooh’, over and over again. It might not sound much, but it works – and anyway, since when have Premo’s beats been complicated? Drums, samples and scratches, that’s the way. Again, Nas tells us of the struggle around Queensbridge, as well as his dreams of escaping the life of guns and drugs, aspiring for something more – ‘I reminisce on park jams, my man was shot for his sheep coat, childhood lesson make me see him drop in my weed smoke’. This track is followed by Q-Tip’s solo production on the album, ‘One Love’, which also features his voice on the hook. It’s a testament to the album that this is probably the weakest track on the album, and would still stand out on almost any other album you care to mention. Q’s beat is very much from the minimalist school of production, a very basic track which allows Nas’ lyricism to shine – and boy, does he shine, giving respect to the dead or locked up – before ripping into a kid seemingly destined for the same end, in the third verse. It’s a very clever idea, and it comes off brilliantly – we can only guess whether it worked for the kid concerned.

Large Professor comes back for another bite with the chilled ‘One Time 4 Your Mind’, with a bassline as lazy as Fat Joe’s flow, it just doesn’t get more relaxed than this. We’re talking Cypress Hill-level stoner music here, but still Nas doesn’t let up with the lyrics – how many tracks do you know that can work on an intelligent level, but you can still smoke a joint to it and keep your head nodding? Such is the excellence of Nasir Jones and his team of producers. Slower than most songs on the album, this only server to give the lyrics a firmer resonance, every line lingering in your ears – no bad thing when he’s dropping gems like ‘When I'm chillin’, I grab the Buddha, get my crew to buy beers, and watch a flick, illin’ and root for the villain’.

‘Represent’ starts with a bang, with Nas’ crew gathered together and screaming ‘Represent, represent!’, before Nas comes at the beat with a fiercer passion than on any other track on Illmatic. He drops lines at a faster pace than usual, without losing any of the lyrical wizardry that makes him stand out – the only problem is that the faster pace makes it seem like the verse is done before it really starts, but repeated listening allows you to take it all in, and Nas is true to form with braggadocio lines like ‘Yo they call me Nas, I'm not your legal type of fella, Moet drinkin’, marijuana smokin’ street dweller, who's always on the corner, rollin’ up blessed, when I dress, it's never nothin’ less than Guess’. The track closes with a few shout outs, as the beat fades, and we move onto the final track of the album.

Nas’ album starts with the best track on the album, ‘N.Y. State Of Mind’, and ends with the next best – the funky-as-all-hell ‘It Ain’t Hard To Tell’. Large Professor comes back for one more, and closes the album out with the best of his three beats, notable for the excellent use of cut samples at the start and the only big-name sample on the album, borrowing a large part of Michael Jackson’s ‘Human Nature’, instantly recognisable even with Nas flowing like water over the beat. Nas saves his very best lyrics for last – it’s almost not worth even picking a specific lyric to make the point, as everything is golden, ‘Cause in my physical, I can express through song, delete stress like Motrin, then extend strong, I drank Moet with Medusa, give her shotguns in hell, from the spliff that I lift and inhale, it ain't hard to tell’.

To conclude…there’s nothing that can be said about this album that hasn’t already been said, nor is there any review you’ll ever read that can make up for not having heard it. This album still stands up now as a truly extraordinary album, even when similarly hailed albums of the same era can begin to sound dated and unimpressive. To get a true sense of how important this album is, you have to realise how much of an effect it’s had on the game as a whole, how many rappers have been influenced by Nas, and this album in particular. To end this review, I’ll simply make a prediction – in twenty years time, when you drag Illmatic out from your old-fashioned CD collection for another listen, your kids will be listening to the new-school of rap, undoubtably talented in a new kind of way – and when your kid tells you who they like best, you can guarantee that Nas is their favourite rapper’s favourite rapper.

It's way too long, I need to shorten it. Also, it's quite shit, but they liked it so I don't care :D