Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[Kris P. Lettus]

As some of you know, I'm going to see The RZA w/Das Efx on the 19th.. Same location on the 13th, The Roots are playing w/ DJ Icey (drum n bass).. Should I go to that, the RZA (aka God) or try to swing both..

I need help..

:$

[Simon]

Both!

I'd givew both my arms to see The Roots live...RZA was here a couple of months back, but as per usual no one was interested in going.

[Fro]

If you've never seen The Roots live, see them. They are easily the best hip-hop performers of all time.

[strange famous]

kris p, go see the rza.

rza and ghostface were supposed to be in providence last week but they cancelled. and yes, i was pissed.

i've seen the roots twice, they are good, definitely worth seeing but if i had to pick one i'd go with rza. they're not the best live hip hop performers ever but they do put on a great show.

sin six

sin six: ruler zig-zag-zig allah

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm trying for both...

I picked up Onyx-bakdafukup II and Mobb Deep-Free Agents:The Murda Mixtapes today...

Keep yall updated...

:yes:

[Simon]

I have the original Bakdafukup, is that one any good? The first one rules :D

[Kris P. Lettus]

I have the original Bakdafukup, is that one any good? The first one rules :D

Seems the raw will never be topped.. New one's aiight.. Haven't listen to it good, yet... But bakdafukup is classic..

[Simon]

Yup, I :heart: Onyx...everyone's on Sticky's dick but I love Fredro as well, Firestarr = underrated.

Onyx are like M.O.P. but better :eek::irked:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Picked up 'Hope' the other day, like it very much thank you.

:yes:

Dunno about this Jay-Z effort, never purchased anything of his before, but I'm tempted to delve into his shit this time around, just for a general butchers if you get what I'm saying.

[spanish announce table]

Bakdafucup II was ok. I liked "Slam Harder" and that track produced by Havoc

[Simon]

Picked up 'Hope' the other day, like it very much thank you.

:yes:

Dunno about this Jay-Z effort, never purchased anything of his before, but I'm tempted to delve into his shit this time around, just for a general butchers if you get what I'm saying.If you want a general butchers, pick up Reasonable Doubt or The Blueprint...they're both great albums IMO, and pre-all this Neptunes shit as well.

[50 Cent]

Can anyone from Canada help me out in letting me know if any stores out here do get albums on correct release dates since Black Album is dropping on the 14th, anyone know any stores that will have it on the 14th?

[spanish announce table]

I'm pretty sure most music stores will have the Black Album on Friday. Hell, I bought 2000 BC from Wal-Mart, so I guess someone as big as Jay-Z would have an album out on time.

[Flow]

people are taking (around here anyway) to the new outkast album, especially Ice Cold's Cd... ska fans and all sorts of shit are buying it.

as for me, i picked up Blood In My Eye for a tenner from HMV about five minutes ago.

[Hack]

Black Album, baybaaaaaaaaaaay:

I'm only 3 tracks in and I'm absolutely digging it. "December 4th" is kind of corny at first, his mom tells stories throughout the song, but it really does work surprisingly well.

And "What More Can I Say" is fucking great.

[50 Cent]

Good god Canada always gets screwed, gotta wait till fucking Tuesday, guess this G Unit album gonna have to hold me till then, its not that bad actually pretty good so far.

[Flow]

No Black Album over here until Monday apparently

[Suno]

yeh, monday.

[spanish announce table]

December 16 - Pitch Black :yes:

[Flow]

"~good albums!!!~" like that dude was saying, albums that've come out/are coming out in the few months leading up to christmas...

grand champ
cheers
black album
speakerboxx/love below
beg for mercy
blood in my eye
chicken n beer

shit that's all i can remember at the moment, i heard rumours of a Nas Lost Tapes II too

[spanish announce table]

Is Beg For Mercy any good? Stunt 101 is horrible. Change Clothes sucks ass too, so how is the Black Album?

[Fro]

The Black Album is dope. Not really a bad song on the album (although The Neptunes' tracks are definetly the weakest). Production is great all around. Just Blaze and Kanye both got a couple songs on there and all their beats are nice. But my favorite song so far is "99 Problems." Its got this ill old school beat by Rick Rubin. The last song on the album, "My 1st Song" has some great verses by Jigga. If you liked The Blueprint, you will like this. Cop it.

[TheSoulAssassin]

What about 2pac's resurrection cd? Is it worth buying? I got 15 bucks, So im deciding amongst, Gunits album, Pacs, or the Black Album. What do you guys recommend?

[Flow]

I'd go with The Black Album... Resurrection (apparently...well, I think) includes some older stuff as well some "same old, same old" stuff, so I wouldn't bother. And G-Unit is probably just typical G-Unit with a few Eminem appearances.

I'd have to go with Jay-Z.

[Suno]

Considering this is supposedly the last time we're going to here a Jay Z album, this was dissapointing imo, a couple of throw away beats and too much bravado for the finale of Jay's career, I felt he could have got deep on a few tracks to make emthat much better. It's a good album, but not the note I expected him to go out on

He should have gone out with The Blueprint, a much MUCh more fitting album to end his career with

[TheSoulAssassin]

Anyone Heard Resurrection? I have other pac cds, so is this one just a waste of money or is it bringing something new to the table? Ive heard runnin, and Realest killaz, and the one with 50 cent, are the rest just remixes of Pacs other shit?

[Flow]

Simon has (well heard) Resurrection, it's got a mixture of old shit and some unreleased shit.

[Hack]

The Black Album is dope. Not really a bad song on the album (although The Neptunes' tracks are definetly the weakest). Production is great all around. Just Blaze and Kanye both got a couple songs on there and all their beats are nice. But my favorite song so far is "99 Problems." Its got this ill old school beat by Rick Rubin. The last song on the album, "My 1st Song" has some great verses by Jigga. If you liked The Blueprint, you will like this. Cop it.

"99 Problems" is a Run DMC beat, I believe. Which, seeing that it is Rick producing, it fits.

Anyway, I've had it for a day now ... and The Black Album is good, but not as great as I was hoping for.

"Change Clothes" is weak, as is "Justify My Thug." And there are a few songs that don't really do anything for me either way.

With that said though, the great tracks are fucking classic.

I love the fact that, except for Cedric the Entertainer being stupid, there are no guest spots. It's just Jay-Z the entire album, bar after bar.

And there are a few fantastic one-liners, as well, which is classic Jay-Z.

So, it's no Blueprint. Or even a Reasonable Doubt. But it's still damn good. Somewhere between a B and a B+, I'd say.

...hope that helps anyone curious how it sounds.

[Simon]

What I've heard of The Black Album is pretty good, but certainly a disappointment if Jay Z follows through with his claims and bows out after this...there isn't enough depth, and maybe it's just me, but I'd expect a last album to at least acknowledge his past and borrow styles from there...this album has a very modern style to it, which is all good I guess, but I'd have liked more nods to Reasonable Doubt in particular which was such a classic album. Keeping with the Neptunes style for his last ever album just ignores the brilliance of what he was doing before he hooked up with them. But then I'm biased against Neptunes, so take my opinions for what they're worth :D

Resurrection is nothing special IMO, certainly the worst album I've heard of his bar Nu Mixxx Classiks :yuck:, Runnin' is nice and all of his old songs work well with the ideas of the album tieing in with the film (if that makes sense?), but there are too many dull beats, too many uninteresting cameos (although, credit where credit's due, the production team have done a good job making the collaborations seem credible, particularly the 50 Cent collabo and Eminem dropping a verse alongside the Outlawz) and any true 2pac fan will already have the older songs which make up the best parts of the album. I'd guess fans would want to pick it up anyway, but you're not getting anything especially new or good for your buck.

[Fro]

After about 10 listens, it is still maaad nice. But there are 3 tracks that are not up to par. "Justify My Thug," "Change Clothes" and "Allure." I was glad Jay got DJ Quik on there for "Justify" but that beat is pretty weak. And goddamn The Neptunes and their corny-ass beats. Both those songs are so weak. Jay, "Excuse Me Miss" sucked, so enough with these sh*tty radio tracks. Ok, keep "Change Clothes" on their for the single, but take out the other two (Allure & Justify), add a Premo joint (pleeeeeeeeeeease) and maybe the Dre song rumored to have been added to the album after the bootlegging. Do that, and this is a classic. Its still a great album, but it could have been better.

Best songs:
December 4th
Encore
99 Problems
My 1st Song

[Raw Is Jonathan]

So would you reccommend getting the album if you've never picked up anything of Jay-Z's before?!

[Hack]

What I've heard of The Black Album is pretty good, but certainly a disappointment if Jay Z follows through with his claims and bows out after this...there isn't enough depth, and maybe it's just me, but I'd expect a last album to at least acknowledge his past and borrow styles from there....

Give it another listen if you're coming up with that opinion. Or maybe just buy it if you are going off of mp3s ...

He spends most of the album acknowledging his past and rapping about how its his last album. And depth? Seeing that there aren't a ton of songs about partyin' and there are 1.) A couple GREAT verses about getting pulled over for going "55 in a 54," 2.) "Encore," which is him and his mama doing a biography and 3.) a track with RICK RUBIN, who founded DEF JAM, which means he is borrowing styles from his past .... I'd say he does what you ask pretty nicely.

[Fro]

So would you reccommend getting the album if you've never picked up anything of Jay-Z's before?!

Yes.

[spanish announce table]

I read a Masta Killa interview about his album "No Set Date". No date has been set yet for it's release.

[Suno]

on ressurection, how good is the quality of the older songs? especially Holla if Ya Hear Me, seeing as the whole quality on Strictly 4 my NIGGAZ was poor, and Holla If Ya Hear Me is my favourite Pac song.

[Simon]

Give it another listen if you're coming up with that opinion. Or maybe just buy it if you are going off of mp3s ...

He spends most of the album acknowledging his past and rapping about how its his last album. And depth? Seeing that there aren't a ton of songs about partyin' and there are 1.) A couple GREAT verses about getting pulled over for going "55 in a 54," 2.) "Encore," which is him and his mama doing a biography and 3.) a track with RICK RUBIN, who founded DEF JAM, which means he is borrowing styles from his past .... I'd say he does what you ask pretty nicely.Like I said I've only heard maybe half the tracks on the album, and they were more than likely the more commercial tracks, as I got them off Kazaa.

I have however heard Encore and didn't think it was anything special at all. I'm all for the heartfelt odes to the family, but it's been done better. I haven't heard the Rick Rubin, so I've at least got that to look forward to. P.S. I know who Rick Rubin is :blah::p

As I say, anything less than incredible was always going to make this album a disappointment, such is Jay Z's status in the game...maybe the tracks I haven't heard are all classics, but I doubt it judging by his last album, which I maintain was just bad. Jay had enough time and money to bow out like the true great he has proved himself to be, but on the evidence of what I've heard, he didn't quite manage it.

[Simon]

So would you reccommend getting the album if you've never picked up anything of Jay-Z's before?!No. Pick up Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint first, then if you like them try this one. Reasonable Doubt is one of the best hip-hop albums of all time IMO, I think it's far better than any of his other albums.

[bobster]

Blueprint was one of the best albums of 2001. (IMO)

[Suno]

Blueprint fucking owns, it's on a par with Reasonable Doubt in my opinion.

[Hack]

"Encore" isn't bad. And neither was his last album, either. But whatever. Just wait to form an opinion until you've heard the entire Black Album ... it works pretty well together.

"Change Clothes" is crap, though.

And an honest question. Why did that thread about the new Jay-Z get closed but the Peas thread and some random thread about Oasis (a band that has threads about it already) are still around?

[Kris P. Lettus]

I read a Masta Killa interview about his album "No Set Date". No date has been set yet for it's release.

:drool:

Finally..

Link??

LOLz @ no date set for No Set Date

[Hack]

"99 Problems" is a Run DMC beat, I believe. Which, seeing that it is Rick producing, it fits.


I lied, I was thinking of "Justify My Thug."

I'm still really digging about 95% of this album.

[bobster]

Picked up the Black Album today. Only listened to half of it so far but :heart: what I heard.

Full review tomorrow. (Maybe)

[50 Cent]

^^^ Are you from canada and if so which store did you get the album from?

[Flow]

he's from England

i probably wont be picking it up for a while :(

[Simon]

"Encore" isn't bad. And neither was his last album, either. But whatever. Just wait to form an opinion until you've heard the entire Black Album ... it works pretty well together.

"Change Clothes" is crap, though.

And an honest question. Why did that thread about the new Jay-Z get closed but the Peas thread and some random thread about Oasis (a band that has threads about it already) are still around?I was offline by the time the Oasis thread was posted (or I missed it...I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when I went offline), the BEP thread I kept open because they've never been discussed on here before to my knowledge, and songs like Where Is The Love? and more specifically Shut Up would appeal to a wider audience than just the hip-hop fans, so telling the poster of that thread to keep it in there would be counter-productive, IMO...maybe I'm wrong. Dunno.

Anyway, I haven't got the rest of the Jay Z album yet, but I'll likely pick it up sometime in the next couple of weeks, I'm supposed to be reviewing it for an 'Urban' (:yuck:...) website by the end of November.

[Hack]

An urban website?

Oh, and I bet some of Jay-Z's older hits were 56 times more mainstream than that stupid "Shut Up" song. Not that it really matters, I don't care anymore.

[50 Cent]

Shut Up is one the worst songs of 2003 so far and so was that terrible Where Is Love. Jigga man 1 more day.

[hed]

G-Unit album is awesome. Ja Ruke is joked on so hard :D

Something like " we passed around the blunt like we did Ja Rule's jewelry " :lol:

Because you see, back in the day, 50 cent and some of his buddies jacked a bunch of Ja Rule's shit, but later on after they started ballin, they gave that shit back to him lol. At one time, Ja had put out a hit on 50, for $50K, what a bitch.

[Hack]

G-Unit album is awesome. Ja Ruke is joked on so hard :D

Something like " we passed around the blunt like we did Ja Rule's jewelry " :lol:

Because you see, back in the day, 50 cent and some of his buddies jacked a bunch of Ja Rule's shit, but later on after they started ballin, they gave that shit back to him lol. At one time, Ja had put out a hit on 50, for $50K, what a bitch.

There's a line just like that on Trice's Cheers. Maybe 50 needs a few new one liners?

[Fro]

Does anyone here freestyle? Or write rhymes? I freestyle with my friends at least a couple times every week. I've written rhymes but they all suck, so I don't really do that too often. Anyway, if you do kick flows, what beats do you like to use? Here are my favorites:

Shook Ones Pt. 2
Triumph
Hypnotize
Wu-Tang Ain't Nuthin To F With
Who Shot Ya
Whoa
Still D.R.E.
Dead Wrong
Nuthin (Neptunes beat for Nore)
CREAM
Nuthin but a G Thang
Ebonics
Big Poppa

[Simon]

Good timing for you to ask that, after a 5-6 month hiatus where battling wasn't happening on this site I go to, it started again today and I dropped a verse in the first round against some guy...it's only text, but it's still fun and is basically freestyles, you don't have time to write it all down and keep on editing...

Anyway, this is what I dropped against this guy called Veloci_T...I'm still a novice, so it probably sucks, but it mostly got a decent reception...

When I hear the name Veloci_T, I give a lazy nod/This kid's name sounds like he should be in the Blazin' Squad//
Chump you need to step back/Cos there ain't no phasin' God//
I'm the higher spirit of hip-hop, and I'm beginning your end/Will I send you up or down? Hell or Heaven forfend?//
I know you worship me, I've read the letters you send/And if they're anything to go by, you need to drop your pen//
Ice Cube said check yourself before you wreck yourself/
But boy you need to check before you WET yourself//
Cos clearly fear is nearly overtaking your soul/I can see it in your eyes, you're about to fold//
I can blaze any beat or style, gangsta or personal lover/While you sound like Will Smith's less controversial brother//
Like Dizzee, you wear your trousers ridiculous low/Cos they fell down, belt burnt by my ridiculous flow//
Like fire my verbal capacity makes me seem like a dragon/The kind of spit that can make an AA crowd jump off the wagon//
But enough about me, let's talk about you/About how you shout your name and the crowd replies 'WHO?!'//
You're not respected, you're not accepted/If you even reply to this I'd say it's not expected//
My style's eclectic, sending crowds apopleptic/My words like knives cut you open, but it's the metaphors that turn those harsh wounds septic//
23 bars dropped, that mean's I've got nine left/You've got no backbone, like the victim of a spine theft/Wu-Affiliated, you choose some weak Cappadonna, while mine's Meth//
Eight bars to go, and still my flow rolls/The heat I spit got firemen climbing down polls//
Twelve months from now I'll have a million discs sold/The only pen you'll be using will be to sign on the dole//
6 bars to go, like 6 caps in my gun/Fuck what Violator says, rap ain't run by no one//
So if I wanna say gun, gangsta, bitch or ho/I'ma do it with style and have the whole place all like THROW DEM BOWS//
So in summary, I've just laid waste with my rhyme scheme/Veloci_T another mug looking like the victim of a crime scene//
I might be going crazy, but I ain't no line fiend/I'm destroying all-comers, and I ain't even yet nineteen//

The only bit that maybe needs explaining is that the tournament is run by a guy calling himself Violator who tried to ban the use of words like gun and gangsta to ensure people would be more creative, ignoring the fact that you can use those words creatively.

I also freestyle with my friends, though not as often as I'd like...the beats I use...

2pac - Pain
Dr. Dre & Eminem - Forgot About Dre
Eminem - Lose Yourself
Eminem - Love Me (GREAT beat to freestyle over)
LL Cool J - Doin' It (just plain funny trying to battle over such a chilled beat)
M.O.P. - Ante-Up
Mobb Deep - Shook Ones Pt. II
Notorious B.I.G. - Dead Wrong
Notorious B.I.G. - Ten Crack Commandments
Snoop Dogg - Gin And Juice
Luniz - I Got 5 On It
Eminem - The Way I Am
Dre & Snoop - Nuthin But A G Thang
Eminem - Scary Movies
Notorious B.I.G. - Hypnotize
2pac - Ambitionz Az A Ridah
Nas - Hate Me Now
Dre - Still Dre
Snoop Dogg - Bitch Please

[Kris P. Lettus]

Does anyone here freestyle?

Yes..

I actually uploaded some awhile back but they took up too much server space.. Holla at me on AIM or summat and I send them to you..

:yes:

Survival of the Fittest
Hypnotized
Whoa
Aquimini

and many more...

Anything by DJ Paul

[Suno]

Ridin in tha Chevy!

[Hack]

Let's talk Wu, mmmmkay?

I have:

Enter the Wu-Tang*
Forever*
The W

Ironman
Only Built ...
Liquid Swords*
Tical

* = Favorite

I'm interested in:

Iron Flag
GZA's other stuff
Any ODB

~~~

Anyway, so some questions. I've heard Iron Flag probably 4 times and it hasn't quite clicked, and I'm kind of cheap. So I've never picked it up. I put "Rules" on a mix CD, though, and I love that.

Do you huge Wu fans suggest picking it up?

Oh, and I've heard some ODB, and I like stuff form his debut. Of course, its so raw, its hard to tell if I'll still like it after a few listens.

So ... any suggestions? Send them my way. Let's discuss hip hop, fools.

[Simon]

I have Ghostface's Bulletproof Wallets, which is a pretty good CD but the tracklisting is fucked up which is inexplicably such a turn off that I rarely listen to the album...there aren't any classics on the album, but pretty much every song is good to very good, bar the lead single with Carl Thomas which I forget the name of, that's not much good.

Enter The Wu is, as I'm sure you know, one of the greatest hip-hop records ever made...possibly the best produced album in history, and the performances by all the Wu members are just incredible. Obviously there are the known classics like Method Man, Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nuttin' Ta Fuck Wit', C.R.E.A.M. etc, but it's tracks like Shame On A Nigga and Tearz that are my favourites, just brilliant hip-hop.

Forever is great, but I don't think it's as good as people say...some classics but as with all double CDs, there's too much filler. Only Built For Cuban Linx and Liquid Swords took a while to grow on me, now I'd say the are in my top ten albums of all time, just incredible stuff. Tical was decent, nothing special...I loved Fast Shadow though. Tical 2000 was just weak, IMO.

The only other album I have that you didn't mention is Legend Of The Liquid Sword, which is awesome...not quite on the level of the original Liquid Swords, but still an excellent CD.

[Suno]

GFK feat Carl Thomas - Never Be the Same Again is fucking hot, I loved that song, the tracks produced by the Alchemist, like The Forrest are fucking brilliant tracks on Bullet Proof Wallets. GFK is the only member of the Wu who is consistantly dope with his shit. And the whole tracklisting is bullshit, how can they fuck up so bad on a major lable release, cock suckers. But you should add this and Supreme Clientele to you collection if you're a fan of Starks.

Hack, you need to get Return to the 36 Chambers by ODB, classic shit, one of the poorer efforts from the first circulation of Wu solo LP's but still a fucking crazy album.

As for Iron Flag, I can tell you're a fan, so I suggest picking it up, its not as strong as previous efforts but its got some fucking brilliant tracks, Warning is bannana's!

You also need to get Bobby Digital in Stereo too, crazy album, download Kiss of the Black Widow feat. ODB for a taste, mad track. If you like that, skip Digital Bullet and get Birth of a Prince, cant go Wrong with the RZA.

Liquid Swords is also my favourite Wu solo CD, masterpiece.

'I show Livin Large niggaz how to flip a Def Jam'

Read the Lables fool!

[Hack]

Yeah, I think I will check out that other GZA. Just haven't gotten around to it yet. And Return to the 36 Chambers, if I can find it, will be purchased at some point.

[50 Cent]

Just coped the Black Album the album is sick. Probablly the best album of this year so far each track is banging except for Change Clothes.

[spanish announce table]

Does anyone here freestyle? Or write rhymes? I freestyle with my friends at least a couple times every week. I've written rhymes but they all suck, so I don't really do that too often. Anyway, if you do kick flows, what beats do you like to use? Here are my favorites:

Shook Ones Pt. 2
Triumph
Hypnotize
Wu-Tang Ain't Nuthin To F With
Who Shot Ya
Whoa
Still D.R.E.
Dead Wrong
Nuthin (Neptunes beat for Nore)
CREAM
Nuthin but a G Thang
Ebonics
Big Poppa

I've been writing for a few years, and am still practicing freestyling. Beats I like using:

2000 BC (Canibus)
We Got Gunz (Gang Starr)
Rolling with Heat (The Roots)
Hellz Wind Staff (Wu)
Bells of War (Wu)

This is probably one of my favorite verses that I have written
http://www.jackin4beats.com/j4bforum/viewtopic.php?t=22413


Let's talk Wu, mmmmkay?

I own:
Forever
The W
Immobilarity
Tical 2000
Supreme Clientele
Birth of a Prince

I want to buy:
Enter the Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers (heard it, but I want to own it)
Iron Flag
Liquid Swords
Beneath the Surface
Legend of the Liquid Sword
Only Built for Cuban Linx (same as 36)
Uncontrolled Substance
Patiently waiting for Masta Killa

[Kris P. Lettus]

And Return to the 36 Chambers, if I can find it, will be purchased at some point.


It got discontinued a couple of years back.. You have to d/l it, burn it, or find it somewhere used..

Sad thing is, when I first found out they weren't gonna be selling it anymore I went to every music store around here and finnally found it.. My cd's were stolen less than a week later...

:nono:

[Simon]

Why was it discontinued?

[Simon]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002HFU/qid=1069199071/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/104-2499114-0450352?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 :confused:

[Simon]

And also, I've seen the same CD in my local music store loads of times, never clocked the title just laughed my ass off at ODB's picture :D

[Kris P. Lettus]

I wasn't saying it was imposible to get..

Just harder b/c they stopped making copies of it around '99-'00...

DUH!!1!

[strange famous]

Hack, you need to get Return to the 36 Chambers by ODB, classic shit, one of the poorer efforts from the first circulation of Wu solo LP's but still a fucking crazy album.

As for Iron Flag, I can tell you're a fan, so I suggest picking it up, its not as strong as previous efforts but its got some fucking brilliant tracks, Warning is bannana's!

You also need to get Bobby Digital in Stereo too, crazy album, download Kiss of the Black Widow feat. ODB for a taste, mad track. If you like that, skip Digital Bullet and get Birth of a Prince, cant go Wrong with the RZA.

Liquid Swords is also my favourite Wu solo CD, masterpiece.

'I show Livin Large niggaz how to flip a Def Jam'

Read the Lables fool!

first off, every album in the first rotation of solos is a classic.

with that being said, return to the 36 chambers is one of the best albums wu has ever put out! 'return...' is the best produced album of them all. beginning to end its the rza's finest work. i can hardly listen to it all the way thru cause i get so amped listening to it and shouting the lyrics, its crazy, i'm exhausted after one listen to that cd.

don't get iron flag, it sucks. its derivitive and not worth putting the wu tang name on it. its like they were just going thru the motions. pathetic.

i do like the bobby digital stuff. bobby digital in stereo is a great cd(too bad i shattered mine, damnit!), digital bullet is lacking though, skip it. new rza was good, but too me it didn't have much staying power, but still a solid release.

and 'ironman' is the best wu solo of all time. masterpiece. perfection. 'cuban linx' and 'liquid swords' are close but don't beat ghost's first.



and hack, you asked me before for songs not from those albums and really the best songs are all from those albums, there are a few gems you might want to check out from some of the other solos like:

ugod - stay in your lane
odb - nigga please, fuck with me
inspectah deck - elevation, r.e.c. room, friction
some other wu affiliates....don't know if you've heard these dudes
la the darkman - heist of the century, element of surprise
killarmy - i can't really think of any individual songs and can't find the covers at this point, but i'll try to remember some....'5 stages of consciousness, bastard swordsman, allah sees everything', those might not be the best ones but you can see if you like 'em.
shabbaz the disciple - death be the penalty
gravediggaz - just about anything off 'six feet deep' is great. try 'trippin'

i'll also have to look thru my 'killa beez' cd's 'swarm' and 'sting', there's probably something on those of note.


sin six

sin six: still wants a masta killa cd

[Kris P. Lettus]

I';m gonna post this again in here cause it took me hours to compile this list...

Here's a list of most (if not all) Wu Tang and related albums...

Buddha Monk
-The Prophecy

Cappadonna
-The Pillage
-The Yin & The Yang
-Greatest Hits

Cilvaringz
-Mental Chambers Part 1

Darkim Be Allah
-Live At The Lab Take 1

Ghost Dog Soundtrack

Ghostface Killah
-Ironman
-Supreme Clientele
-Bulletproof Wallets

Gravediggaz
-6 Feet Deep
-The Pick, The Sickle & The Shovel
-Nightmare In A-Minor

GZA/Genius
-Words From The Genius
-Liquid Swords
-Beneath The Surface
-Legend of Liquid Sword

Hell Razah
-When All Hell Breaks Loose

Hot Butter
-A New Chamber

Inspectah Deck
-Uncontrolled Substance

Killah Priest
-Heavy Mental
-View From Masada
-Priesthood

Killarmy
-Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars
-Dirty Weaponry
-Fear, Love And War

LA The Darkman
-Heist Of The Century

Lin Brotherz
-Ch'ing Dynasty EP

Method Man
-Tical
-Tical 2000: Judgement Day
w/ Redman
-Blackout
-How High Soundtrack

Moongod Allah
-Ten Tigers Of Kwantung

Ol' Dirty Bastard
-Return To The 36 Chambers (Dirty Version)
-ODBEP
-Nigga Please
-Trails and Tribulations of Russel Jones

Popa Wu
-Visions Of The 10th Chamber

Raekwon
-Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
-Immobilarity

Remedy
-The Genuine Article

Royal Fam
-Yesterday, Today, Iz Tomorrow

RZA
-RZA as Bobby Digital In Stereo
-RZA Hits
-The RZA Big Cap - Wu-Tang Mix
-RZA as Bobby Digital - Digital Bullet
-Birth of a Prince

Shyheim
-Shyheim aka The Rugged Child
-The Lost Generation
-Manchild

Spark 950 & Timbo King
-United We Slam

Sunz Of Man
-The Last Shall Be First
-The First Testament

U-God
Golden Arms Redemption

Wu-Chronicles
-Chapter 1
-Chapter 2

Wu-Syndicate
-Wu-Syndicate

Wu-Tang Clan
-Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
-Forever
-The W
-Iron Flag

Wu-Tang Killa Beez
-The Swarm Volume 1
-The Sting

I also think Deadly Venoms(the chick) has an album out too.. If you think of any not listed, tell me.. New GFK, Masta Killah, etc too...

Enjoy......

[spanish announce table]

You forgot 'The Movement' by Rebel INS and 'The Horsemen Project' with Killah Priest.

[Fro]

While we are talking about Wu-Tang......this is from allhiphop.com:


"Wu-Tang Clan's RZA is leading the publication of a book on the history of The Wu-Tang Clan. Riverhead Books will release "The Wu-Tang Manual," which will contain autobiographies from each member as well as a lyrical encyclopedia.

"This is basically everything Wu," Riverhead senior editor Sean McDonald told Billboard. "A large chunk will be the whole mythology of the group, explaining not so much how they came up with it, but what it means to them and how everything interconnects."

The group will hit the road for a 60 city tour in the Spring of 2004, to coincide with the release of the paper back book.

The concert has been labeled the group's farewell tour, a notion Raekwon seemed to indirectly confirm in a recent interview.

"With the Clan I learned so much. The clan will always be the clan but at the same time we all got routes that we want to take in life and we kings right now," Rae told AllHipHop.com. "Every king needs his own castle. We can't all be in one castle and try to call shots. Everybody has to have his own destiny and make something positive happen for all of us."

It's a chance to look back and explain what they've been doing all along. No one has actually been able to reveal the way it is all put together in their minds, particularly in RZA's," McDonald said."

Source: http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=2575


Wow, that book and tour are both going to be the sh*t. Can't wait.

[bobster]

Why the hating on Change Clothes by everyone? I know it just sounds like Frontin 2 but it aint that bad.

The rest of the album rules though. A definate contender for album of the year but then I'm getting Speakerboxx/Love Below tomorrow so that may change.

[bobster]

Also, why is this thread called

Rap/Hip Hop Album Review Thread.

When there hasn't been a review for about 8 pages?

Rap/Hip Hop discussion thread?

[Hack]

"Change Clothes" is weak. The Neptunes sound like a parody of themselves and the lyrics are some of Jay-Z's worst. Easily the worst lyrics on the album, at least.

And, boy, you sure are witty for pointing that out!

[bobster]

"Change Clothes" is weak. The Neptunes sound like a parody of themselves and the lyrics are some of Jay-Z's worst. Easily the worst lyrics on the album, at least.

And, boy, you sure are witty for pointing that out!

I didn't think it was that bad. :\

"What more can I say" f'n rules though. So does 99 problems. Quality album.

And witty for pointing what out?

[Hack]

Your post after the "Change Clothes" post.

And I do agree about the other two songs. Fucking great stuff.

[50 Cent]

This album is fucking 5/5 the first 5/5 album this year. Every song on the album is fucking sick, except for Change Clothes. Allure is the shit its so soulful for the Neptunes. Kanye laced Jigga with heat for Encore and Lucifer. December 4th's beat sounds incredible, and the lyrics are fiyaaaaaaa. What More Can I Say is one of my faves off the album, and thumbs up to Rubin for lacing Jay with that beat.

[spanish announce table]

What did you guys think of Birth of a Prince? I thought it was a solid album with some retro-RZA production (The Grunge, Fast Cars) mixed with some new shit (Grits, Cherry Range). The guest appearances by Masta Killa and a few others were strong and A Day To God Is 1000 Years is one of the best songs this year IMO. Most reviews I've read say this is one of the worst Wu albums ever, which doesn't really make sense considering Cappadonna has dropped two albums.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I was super solid IMO.. But I am a huge RZA mark.. Was kinda oldskool on some tracks.. The only thing I didn't like was the hooks on alot of song but truthfully thats always been a low point of Wu cd's to me...

7.5/10

Well worth buying for the hardcore fan...

[Suno]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000UJLJG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


Can't wait for this shit!

[QuietStorm]

I downloaded that yesterday. Gave it a quick run-through and deleted it. It is crap.

[QuietStorm]

i am getting the new KRS-One (in other words the greatest rapper ever not named Germaine) album right now!!!

Apparently on "Hip Hop vs. Rap" he says "How many MC's must get dissed before someone says don't fuck with Kris". I think he has said that before many times and I think Black Moon said that line on one of their albums. And obviously Canibus used it on "How Many Emcee's". Anyone know who the first was to use that line? Because I am not completely positive KRS-One or Black Moon ever used the line before Bis did. Just wondering.

Anywho, once I give "Digital" a proper listen I'll come back and give you a rundown. I already know it'll be great though. KRS-One is second to none in hip hop. That is my opinion. Fuck Rakim. Ahahahahahahaha...nah, I was just going to leave it at that but I know how many of you it would piss off. Rakim is :yes:. Or at least he was.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I heard a new KRS-One song on the radio yesterday but didn't know if he had out a new album or what...

Please give a reveiw ASAP and give me the names of tight songs..

:yes:

[Hack]

I've done some Wu-Tang investigating lately ...

Replaced my copy of Only Built 4 Cuban Linx with a real one. Picked up Return to the 36 Chambers. Picked up Iron Flag.

The first two are fucking classics. Iron Flag is good enough ... "Soul Power" is shit, though.

I also quickly listened to Raekwon's second album, GZA's Beneath the Surface, RZA's debut and Cappadonna's The Pillage.

The first two did NOTHING for me, but I actually liked The Pillage. And RZA's debut was ok.

Why am I sharing this with you assholes? I don't know, I'm trying to make sure I've heard all of the great Wu out there and I know I'm not an expert.

So, what do you guys thing? Check out more? Give some of the stuff I didn't like a second chance?

INPUT.

[Suno]

I downloaded that yesterday. Gave it a quick run-through and deleted it. It is crap.

bah!

I heard otherwise.

[G-Fresh]

A lot of Wu-Tang stuff had to grow on me. Listen to every song atleast 5 times. I would check out some Killah Priest too. Black August is one of the best albums to come out in a while.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I also quickly listened to Raekwon's second album, GZA's Beneath the Surface, RZA's debut and Cappadonna's The Pillage.

The first two did NOTHING for me, but I actually liked The Pillage. And RZA's debut was ok.



By RZA's "debut" do you mean Bobby Digital, Birth of A Prince, or Six Feet Deep??

Beneath the Surface was tight.

HAH!! You liked the Pilage?!?!? I hate Cappadona unless he's with the rest of the Wu...

What all "first rotation" cd's do you have??

[Hack]

I mean the Bobby Digital album ... mainstream debut as the RZA, I suppose. And I didn't really dislike it ... but it just didn't do much for me.

And it was the second time I had listened, so I'm fairly sure it won't click with me.

The Pillage was predictable and simple, but it was pretty good, too. Don't laugh at me, suckah.

As far as "first rotation" goes, I have GZA's, Ghostface's, ODB's, Meth's and Raekwon's.

]

[Kris P. Lettus]

Some suggestions of shit you might or might not have..

-Gravediggaz-Six Feet Deep
-Killarmy-Killarmy
-Killah Priest-Heavy Mental
-Papa Wu-Legend of the 10th Chamber
-U-God-Redemption:Golden Arms

I'll add more later..

:yes:

p.s.you're the only person to ever like Cappa's solo shit..

p.p.s. Anyone have the PS1 game Wu Tang: Shoalin Styles?? Pimp ass game with a killer RZA soundtrack...

:drool:

[Hack]

I think saying I "like it" is going a bit far. I certainly didn't hate it, though.

OK, I said earlier I liked it, but it isn't like I wanna go fuck it. I save the fucking for my Dylan and Tom Waits stuff.

[Seanny One Ball]

Can-I-Bus by Canibu is now my unofficial favourite rap album of all time, I'm comparing it to the likes of Tupac and Redman and Eminem and it's better. Listening to it while stoned late at night is pretty awesome, I love Buckingham Palace, Niggenometry, Get Ratarded, Channel Zero, Rip Rock, Hypenitis the most, but the other tracks are equally immense, 2nd Round KO is unforgettable, the best battle rap every written.

(Y) thumbs up Canibus, creator of tehe greatest stoner album of all time excluding ATLiens by OutKast....WheelZ of Steele, ATLiens...PinDadillac Boys or whatever it's called and Babylon (Y) Cadillac

[Simon]

Best battle rap ever written?! Not even close...

The Bridge Is Over, Ether, The Takeover, Hit Em Up...hell, even The Sauce and Malcolm X are better diss records than Second Round KO. The best thing about that song is Mike Tyson sounding drunk as a bastard at the start.

[Suno]

:lol: Now One Ball is an ill-informed verion of UMDeep, congrats!

I've been listening to the new Jay z album alot, I think if you dropped the Neptunes tracks, Moment of Clarity and maybe the Timbo joint (hot track, just seems out of place) it would be a much better album.

[QuietStorm]

Hmmm, I thought Moment of Clarity was one of the best tracks on the Black Album. Eminem laced him pretty well.

One Ball, Can-I-Bus is a great and underrated album despite what anyone else says. But in my opinion "Rip the Jacker" is a better diss to LL than 2nd Round K.O was. It was funny and stole an LL beat to rip him. Doesn't get much better than that.

And Simon, all those disses you named are all great EXCEPT Hit Em Up. That has to be the most overrated diss song of all time.

As for the "new" KRS...there are a few too many guest appearances in the middle tracks but Common is on a freestyle track which sounds kinda old and Big Pun is on a track that was probably in the vault for a while and not just thrown together with a recycled Pun verse. The production lacks in a lot of the songs and was probably done by KRS himself. This album isn't as good as the REAL version of Kristyles which I am not sure was ever released in stores. But it is good nonetheless. Here are the best tracks although I haven't listened to "Remember" yet since it wouldn't work off of the rip I got...

1. Tell the Devil Ha (Oh my God...as soon as this track started my mouth went agape and I sat in disbelief, shows how deeply his religous beliefs go. The production is just about perfect.)

2. Free Mumia feat. Channel Live (political track, the other dude has more time on the track than Kris I think but he isn't bad)

3. As You Already Know feat. Truck Turner and Big Pun (you'll know the sample used and Pun and KRS kill it after the Truck Turner crap)

4. Hip Hop vs. Rap

5. Woop Woop Showbiz Remix

It is a decent album that might just be for the internet. I'm not sure. It doesn't quite sound like something he would release in stores but you never know. I think a lot of these tracks were recorded quite a while back. Is he even affiliated with Truck Turner anymore? Nevertheless, if you are just going to get one track get "Tell the Devil Ha". That song is great.

[Suno]

You know, Eminem only has one hot beat.

[QuietStorm]

Yeah I know, he is a crap producer and Moment of Clarity was basically the same as it always is. But I didn't mind it.


Was "Free Mumia" on KRS-One's self-titled album because that is the only KRS album I haven't heard all of. I see it on the tracklisting though and if it is the same track that is on "Digital" it confirms my thoughts that a lot of this is old stuff.

[strange famous]

qs, yeah, 'free mumia' is on krs-one's self titled album.

hack, check out killarmy. if you like what you hear, 'quiet weapons for silent wars' is a very good album.

don't get any killah priest, 'heavy mental' is boooooooring. and 'view from masada' is just as bad.



and i heard 'change clothes and go' off the black album today and damn, it was f'n terrible. not a good first single for jay.

sin six

sin six: mc's act like they don't know

[Kris P. Lettus]

don't get any killah priest, 'heavy mental' is boooooooring. and 'view from masada' is just as bad.

:ashamed:

Does anyone have any of the BDP (Boogie Down Productions) Mixtapes.. The ones with Scott Larock (RIP)??

[spanish announce table]

I haven't heard the Heavy Mental album, but the title track is nuts.

I agree that Hit Em Up is not all that great. It's basically a big "Fuck You" and nothing more.

[Simon]

The lyrics aren't exceptional, but you have to respect something that amazingly passionate...it's certainly the most effective diss track of all time, IMO.

Oh and how the shit did I forget Shook Ones, if we're talking battle rap...:cool:

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

meh there was a whole thread on disses/battles... i aint heard many but me favourites are

2nd round KO, Ether, Takeover, Destroy and Rebuild, Life's on the Line, How to rob, The Bridge is over, Real Hip-Hop, Shook Ones, Hit Em Up, Toss Em Up, Why U Turn On Me and a whole fuck off load of others.

Hit em up might not be a fantastic track with "deep" introspective lyrics or any shit like that, but it's not supposed to be, it's a diss, it's supposed to be a big "fuck you", i love it.

[QuietStorm]

http://eximus30.dmusic.com/

Listen to the Eminem diss to Canibus there titled "Can-I-Bitch". It is lame. The beat is lame. The lyrics are lame. The only redeeming quality is the decent chorus. I really hope this is just a half-joke to Canibus to make it look like he went soft. It was obviously recorded beforee Mic Club since some retarded Feminem fans have been quoting exact lines of it for a long while.

It is a shame it doesn't look like he is taking Bis seriously. He might want to reconsider after the Mic Club and RTJ gems.

If Bis releases whatever diss song he has recorded already he will undoubtedly smoke him.

[50 Cent]

^^^ Are you kidding the diss is hilarious. The beat does suck but his flow and lyrics are funny as hell.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Can't get enough of the WU at the minute, even listening to U-God's Redemption just, not as bad as I first thought, not really good, but half decent...

Got a shit load of WU cd's on my chrimbo list, gonna see if I can pick up a few of the older individual wu cd's the now like.

:wu:

How great would it be if the wu emblem appeared then...

[Simon]

Em sounds like Slick Rick at the start, dunno if it's deliberate but it's funny as hell...

:wu: should definitely be brought in...I STILL haven't picked up the Wu-Tang albums I want...Forever, Blackout!, Return To The 36 Chambers...

[QuietStorm]

Yeah it's deliberate. But it isn't nearly as good as Cormega's "A Slick Response". I mean...this is seriously one of the worst written disses I have ever heard.


[Intro]
{in a high falsetto voice}
Uncle Marshall!
Will you Tell us a bedtime story?
{regular voice}
Here we go...

[Verse One]
Now once upon a time not long ago
There was a little rapper about to blow
But his album came and it was not good
I think it went lead or double copper wood
So the silly little fans they were mislead
By a nerdy internet computer hip-hop head
"Me and you, 'Clef, we're gonna make some cash
Grab the silver paint and let's paint my ass"
Hey mister, would ya care to bare witness to
The ass-whippin' I'm about to administer
To this little ass-kissin' vaginal blister
'Stanabis', little marshall mathers sister
And in this corner, we have the mister
not havin' it, it's the mad sinister
Dr. Evil with his bag of tricks for
this little antagonist faggot dick-suckin'
ex-LL Cool J fan from Windsor
I'm 'bout to murder little Kenny fag Kennif-sta
You bastard I ain't wanna have to diss ya
Canabis, where the fuck you at? I miss ya!

[Chorus]
Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
where for art thou can-I-bitch?
Please tell me what happened with
that style that you were rappin' with
Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
are you from Los Angeles
New York or just a janitor
from Canada? Oh Can-i-bitch

Now at first I ain't really understand the shit
Picture me for a second and imagine it
Chillin' in a Bat-Mansion and relaxin'
When all a sudden some bullshit comes across the scanner
It's Can-i-bitch with some Stan Lives shit
They greet me out at first man this is sick
For me being just a sick disconflict
gets my dick harder than arithmetic
And I know how you jealous ones envy
I shoulda knew better from the first few letters you sent me
The first two letters you were tellin' me shit
like you respect me, like any other regular MC
The third letter you ask how come I ain't return
none of the messages at Shady Records You Left Me
The fourth Letter: "Slim you really startin' to upset me!"
The fifth letter told me you were comin' to get me
The sixth threat there's a bomb threat in our building
This crazy motherfucker's really tryin' to kill me!
So I went back and read the first few letters that said
Some shit about a message you left
Oh shit, that's not an "E" that's an "A"
This dude wants to leave me a "massage," he's gay!!
Right away I'm on the phone with Dr. Dre
We got a bogey! (Marshall I'm on the way)

[Chorus]
Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
where for art thou can-a-bitch?
Please tell me what happened with
that style that you were rappin' with
Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
are you from Los Angeles
New York or just a janitor
from Canada? Oh Can-i-bitch

So in two seconds flat Dre's at my crib
The funny thing is we both know where this kid lives
And neither one of us have Canadian citizenship
Shit oh Dre wait a mintue that's it
All we gotta do is use a bit of turbo boost
We can fly over the border "Let's go" {*WOOSH!*}
So we're off to Toronto and we're gainin' speed
{*BOOSH!*} (What was that?) oh Jermaine Dupre
Fuck It, keep goin' no time to waste
Wait backup hit him one more time in case
okay .. fuck now he's draggin' under the car
Oh well only 30 more thousand miles
Meanwhile me and Dre are tryin' to conversate
Just tryin' to find a reason for the constant hate
And tryin' to figure out what happened to 'Germaine Propaine'
"He couldn't have fell off that hard!" ain't no way
"What happened to the way you was rappin' when you was scandalous
the Canibus turned into a television evangelist"
Plus he raps with his regular voice {*BOOSH!*} {*BOOSH!*}
{*BOOSH!*} {*BOOSH!*} (what was that?) Pet Shop Boys
So we pull up to the bridge where he last was spotted
His corpse was still movin' but his ass was rotted
He kind of smelled a little like Courtney Love
I figure if I stick him with a fork he's done
So I stapped him twice, kept jabbin', Christ
He won't die this guy's like a battered wife
He's like Kim, he keeps comin' back for more
But he won't fight back I cracked his jaw
Hold up 'bis quit foldin' up!
Punch me in the chest make my shoulders touch!
DO SOMETHIN'! at least one punchline
C'mon till the meter reads 9-9-9-9!
Say 90 percent of my fans are blonde
'bis c'mon answer me man respond!!!
Tell me 'bout the sun rain moon and stars
Intergalatical metaphors from Mars!
Raw to the floor, raw like Resovoir Dogs
Bite ANOTHER line from Redman's song!
Suddenly the stub from a dead man's arm
from a midget reaches out from under the car
It's JD, this motherfucker won't die neither
Dre starts sprayin' him with cans of Ether
We stomped the bitch and then stopmed the bitch again
(Compton!) Detroit bitch talk some shit again!!
STOMP HIM! (switch feet) STOMP HIM! (switch again!)
Dre alright he's dead dog, quit kickin him!
I think Stanabis jumped off the bridge again
(Damn...) he disappeared, yo he's gone, he did it again!

[Chorus]
Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
where for art thou can-a-bitch?
Please tell me what happened with
that style that you were rappin' with
Can-i-bitch, oh Can-i-bitch
are you from Los Angeles
New York or just a janitor
from Canada? Oh Can-i-bitch

[Simon]

Well it did it's job if it got all the Canibus marks crying into their milk ;)

[QuietStorm]

I am not crying but merely smiling. I think it is a laughable diss. Canibus already won with "Dr. C PHD". Anything more will be icing on the cake.

[spanish announce table]

Punch me in the chest make my shoulders touch!
DO SOMETHIN'! at least one punchline
C'mon till the meter reads 9-9-9-9!
Say 90 percent of my fans are blonde
'bis c'mon answer me man respond!!!
Tell me 'bout the sun rain moon and stars
Intergalatical metaphors from Mars!
Raw to the floor, raw like Resovoir Dogs
Bite ANOTHER line from Redman's song!


The song is all pretty weak, except that part. And whats with the "ANOTHER"? I dont remember Bis biting Redman at all.

[QuietStorm]

"Raw to the floor, raw like Resovoir Dogs"

That is the line he is referring to I believe.

[spanish announce table]

"Raw to the floor, raw like Resovoir Dogs"

That is the line he is referring to I believe.

I know the line he was referring to, but I dont recall Bis ever biting that, or any other Redman lines.

[QuietStorm]

Off "The Rip Off"

You need to understand somethin; 'Bus is raw
Raw to the floor, raw like reservoir dogs,
Auger mechanical mandible jaws, split you in half
Addicted to rippin jackers, but I rip a jackass

[QuietStorm]

Has anyone here heard C-Rayz Walz "Ravipops" album? I try to not be impressed anymore by anything Def Jux releases (most of you know I am a Def Jux groupie) but this kid has serious writing and rapping skills. You might have already heard him before on Cannibal Ox's "Cold Vein" or Aesop's "Labor Days". The album is obviously underground but it has elements that every hip hop fan would love. I'd consider his flow somewhere between Pharoahe Monch and Rza and his production, despite not getting any beats from the man who brought him to Def Jux (El-P) they are all relatively good a few even great. Check this dude out if you haven't already. Even if you aren't a fan of Def Jux, C-Rayz Walz isn't as out there as some of the others on the label. I was pleasantly surprised.

[strange famous]

anyone here a brother ali fan?

seriously, dude is incredible. 'shadows on the sun' is the second best hip hop album to come out this year. pick it up, i promise you won't be disappointed.

definitely check it out. and if you don't know, now you know.

sin six

sin six: blah blah blah

[Kris P. Lettus]

anyone here a brother ali fan?



I'm not, but I have one of his stickers on my stereo...

:ashamed:

*downloads some of his shit*

[QuietStorm]

Thanks to Pr0ximo, Kamilian, and RipDaJacker at CanibusWorld.com for coming up with all of this and letting me post it here. An interesting read.


To start this at the beginning of the feud I'll back up a little bit.

Before Em had blown up, Canibus visited him on the Warp Tour and took him up on his offer to collaborate so Bis asked him about being on a song called "Phuk You". Em refused because he claimed the Bis verses were indirectly & vaguely directed to him & LL Cool J, therefore no collab took place.

Flashward to the time Em's status was ascending. Em did a song called "Get You Mad" where he says something along the lines of "step 2, get a job at a label, switch demo tapes with Canibus and put yours on the table". Furthermore, on his debut album he mentions Bis in the song called "Role Model"..."I'm hazardous, you wouldn't wanna answer this unless you answer back with with a battle rap you wrote for Canibus". Now that's twice.

It quiets down for a while...to the best of my knowledge, and Bis releases 2000 B.C. and surprise, surprise the song "Phuk You" is on it & many people think one of the verses is directed to Em - the one that goes "Your superstar status doesn't mean shit to me, lyrically sucker emcees........". After all of this, between 2000 B.C. & CTHS and before The Marshall Mathers LP, Em does an interview stating Bis isn't skillful or something along those lines.

This is where things get interesting.

Both their explanations for the beef were very ambiguous and vague. Everytime Bis was asked "why the beef", he would be very evasive in his explanation. Em never even said anything about it when asked except for "he's a fag" etc..

I know it had something to do with Em not collabing with Bis on "Phuck You", then Em making cryptic references to Bis in his songs minus the Westwood freestyle with Proof.

But after hearing the "Can-a-bitch" song it makes me think that maybe there is some truth in what Em was saying when he mentioned Bis writing him letters to express how ill Em was, or maybe a letter for a collabo?

Maybe the reason why Bis took it to the heart and made "Stan Lives" and CTHS entirely mocking Em with the C4, wife & daughter, skits (rosenburg) and other various references is because when Em made "Stan" it was loosely based on a situation he had between Bis?

Why else would Bis get fueled enough to make an entire song mocking Stan, and making an entire album revolving around Eminem? It can't just be because Em mentioned Bis like 3 times in songs.

I think the first letter was an apology for the confrontation at the video shoot and an acknowledgement that Bis was feeling Em's ability. Em likely didn't reply or call and said "I guess it's cool". Bis then took no reply as a "he either didn't get the letter or doesn't feel complied to reply" and so he wrote another. Again no response so he tried calling a couple times and got no return call. So he tried one last letter that said either acknowledge it's squashed or "Phuck you!". Again no reply.

Em is confused and doesn't know what's going on so he writes a song about an infatuated crazy fan who writes him letters (remember the letters get progressively more pissed) but in fact he is writing indirectly to Bis. Bis took offense and said, all right I know that whole shit was directed at me so I'm going to do a song as "Stan" and even change my voice to mock Em. Thus in the track "Stan Lives" it is "Canibus" who is saving "Stanibus" (one of his "personalities" saving the other). It brings new light to the verse "Remember those letters I wrote, in ATLANTA (Canibus' hometown) before Up in Smoke, that's the day I was gonna cut your throat" or however the line went.

So that is why Em has the verse about the letters in this track. The one about the bomb was possibly a reference to "Poet Laureate" ("strap a bomb to one of your labels record clerks, then activate it as soon as he gets to work") so maybe this diss is more recent than some people think. So I think it is that Bis wanted to apologize for the incident at his Video shoot and wrote the letters and when he got no replies he tried calling a couple times and then simply took it as a rejected apology. Anyways, I've been thinking about the same idea since I first heard the verse on "Can-I-Bitch" and I have no way of confirming any of the above. Just a little conspiracy theory that I would not be surprised at all to be true. Peace.

[spanish announce table]

Interesting theory, but I think the song 'Stan' was just Em being creative and telling a story. After SSLP came out, he was a huge star and he probably ran into a few Stans.

[hbk52685]

That's quite a theory, a lil far-fetched, but anything's possible. It would make sense though, especially considering what Em says in Can-a-bitch.

In terms of the whole battle...Canibus really won nothing. Look at it, Em takes a few jabs at Canibus, but nothing majorly calling him out and what happens after? Canibus vaguely jabs back in Phuk You, hardly saying anything. Then comes Stan and a few more lines here and there about Bus. Next, Canibus makes himself look like the biggest dumbass ever by making an entire album revolving around his "beef" with Em. Em doesn't really have to do to much to counter that, if a guy gives a rapper he's beefing with that much credit and attention...he ends up looking 1 big fucking joke and I think Em recognized that and treated him as such by putting out Can-a-bitch.

It's really sad cause Canibus is a talented rapper, oh well.

[QuietStorm]

So...these are the Aesop Rock tracks I have on my computer. If you see that I am missing anything of significance please let me know. Thanks.


Water
Maintenance
The Active Element
Nightlight
Nickel Plated Pockets
Alchemy
Forest Crunk (actually a Blueprint instrumental but it is on the Daylight EP and is sweet nonetheless)
Bracket Basher
1 of 4
Troubled Waters
Plastic Soldiers
Appleseed Intro
Dryspell
Same Space
Hold the Cup
1,000 Deaths
Blue In the Face
Odessa ft. Dose One
Blacklist ft. MF Doom
Kill 'Em All Remix
Labor
Bazooka Tooth
Train Buffer
N.Y. Electric
Save Yourself
Easy
Flashflood
No Jumper Cables
No Regrets
Limelighters ft. Camp Lo
One Brick ft. Illogic
Super Fluke
The Tugboat Complex
Cook It Up
Bad Sumeritan
Cook It Up ft. P.F.A.C
Coma
Freeze Battery
Battery
Kill the Messenger
Mars Attacks
We're Famous ft. El-P
Boombox
Babies With Guns
Bent Life
The Greatest Pac-man Victory In History
The Yes And the Y'all
Frijoles
Numb (To the Guns)
9-5ers Anthem
1135 ft. Mr. Lif
Shovel
Daylight
The Tugboat Complex Pt. 3
Dead Pan
Float
Commencement At the Obedience Academy
Big Bang
Garbage
I'll Be OK ft. Slug
Basic Cable
Fascination
Oxygen
Skip Town
6B Panorama
Spare A Match
Attention Span
How To Be A Carpenter
Prosperity
No Splash
Drawbridge ft. Dose One
The Mayor And the Crook
Abandon All Hope
Wake Up Call ft. Percee P
The Substance
Merit
Live On 88.9 FM Nighttrain
Coward of the Year Remix
Shere Kahn
Antisocial
Coordinates
Wise Up
Sinister ft. Cannibal Ox
Killing Time ft. Illogic (amazing lyrics, beat)
Success ft. Mr. Lif
Slug, Eyedea, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, Illogic, Blueprint Freestyle

[QuietStorm]

Some of Canibus' greatest boasting lines... :)

"It's Canibus, the cake icing of rhyming/ the older I get the colder I get like the declining climate"

"I'm ahead of my time, or so they say/ I guess that's why I already feel old and gray"

"The laser guided lyrical hybrid, creating scripts so sick I gotta arm wrestle my pen to write it"

"I'm the sickest linguistically illicit lyrical misfit in the business and probably in existence, what's your consensus?"

"And every word I utter for hip hop lovers, will reflect forever like two mirrors facing each other"

"We are suffuring from symptoms of drapatermania/ Slavery isn't over it just took a new alias"

"Discombobulate prostates, re-hydrate dry lakes/ Wipe Ammonium Nitrate across the side of your face"

"My mouth is mechanically mechanized/ My verbal weapon fires a whole clip of rhymes"

"It's 2000 AD after disaster/ flies buzz around a milion rappers cadavers/never been the type to talk/my ice grill is like looking down the wide jaws of a white shark"

"lyrically i'm bananas/ my tongue moves like Hindu belly dancers performing tantra"

"Canibus too advanced for this shit/ turn spit to gas vapour then back to spit/

"this is Transylvania vampire mania/ you should be scared of my fangs in your neck draining ya"

"Getting in my way is like jumping in front of a car/ breaking the sound barrier, that means the car is in front of the horn/ so by the time you hear it blowing it's too late to respond"

"kicking boring raps with metaphors that's wack/ All of ya'll motherfuckers need NordicTrack to get ya weight up/ Fucking with Canibus you get ate up/ get beat down and sprayed up just for bringing my name up"

"The killer cobra that'll hover over Jehova/ in a motorized autogiro with sycamore rotors/ Hydrogen peroxide gaseous vapors/ Technically these words shouldn't even rhyme off paper"

"You iller than me? Give me a call/ W-W-W-N-A-M-I org"

"To the British I'm Ghandi/ To the Japanese I'm an American pilot flying over Nagasaki/ To the AIDS patient I'm your last antibody/ waiting for a cure from modern biology"

"don't even talk about guns/ the only 9 you got is a 5 dollar bill and 4 ones"

"the Canibus is an animal with a mechanical mandible
Coming to damage you/ spitting understandable slang at you/
I be the all seeing lyrical hammerhead shark peripheral
With 360 degree visual"

"For hip hop heads, I provide the Ultimate High/
Canibus is the difference between Harvard and Devri/
See I deliver lyrical blows that pose a potential threat/
To any emcees I’ve ever met/
Or will meat, I can’t be defeated or beat
Lyrically I got more lines than streets/
So if you got beef, you better speak now or forever hold your peace/
Cuz I’m coming from the stomach of the beast/
Representin the East coast from boarder to boarder/
I’ll battle this whole planet in alphabetical order/
From A to Z or whatever the case be/
My brain waves beat against the rocks like the sea"

"My I.Q. number has six zero’s behind it
I possess the power to sleep with open eyelids"

"Spreading my wisdom, reachin across solar systems, touching galaxies and the living creatures within them."

"And then I'll attack you with words thats absurd/ and rip your motherfucking skin off just to get on your nerves"

"I'm known both Geographically, and Intergalactically/ That's why I got Extraterrestrials who wanna battle me"

"Craving figure 8's in the pavement/ judges will smile in amazement til they facial muscles start aching"

"I'm warning you, me verse you, I'll hurt you/
my balance enables me to square dance in a circle"

"A Hundred thousand mile warranty/ metaphorically
I use a Hundred thousand styles to murder you orally/
Took a Lion on tour with me/ made him respect authority/
Smacked him in the head for trying to roar at me"

"My style is sicker than infected women-n-men/ I'm so raw I can catch AIDS with out sticking-it-in/"

"I'll battle you on the net/ battle you in the flesh/ I'll battle you over the phone, you can call me collect"

"You diss me out of pride, but when you done talking bout money and bitches you simply out of rhymes"

"Verbally viscious, telekenetically gifted/ took you a minute to exhibit that i'm sick with it"

[Kris P. Lettus]

Got the Black album last night... Rate it laterz...

:yes:

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

since there's none in sarfend, i'm gonna venture online to buy some KRS albums... what ones dya reckon are the best?

i'm gonna get I Got Next just for Step Into a World

[QuietStorm]

Get Return of The Boom Bap and The Sneak Attack. Those are my faves as far as his solo albums go.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

i'll look into them, cheers :yes:

p.s. sneak attack... you like "Hush"?

[Kris P. Lettus]

since there's none in sarfend, i'm gonna venture online to buy some KRS albums... what ones dya reckon are the best?

i'm gonna get I Got Next just for Step Into a World

If you don't have any of his shit I suggest getting "A Retrospective".. It's a greatest hits..

Anything that Scott Larock produced is phat... They have hella Boogie Down Productions mixtapes...

Others:

-Criminal Minded
-Strickly for da Breakdancers & Emceez

[Suno]

Sneak Attack? U CRAZY! that album was a dissapointment, get boom bap and some BDP shit, Criminal Minded is a classic!

[QuietStorm]

Suno, Shutupayouface. :lol:

Hip Hop Knowledge is :yes:

[strange famous]

since there's none in sarfend, i'm gonna venture online to buy some KRS albums... what ones dya reckon are the best?

i'm gonna get I Got Next just for Step Into a World

get 'boom rap' and the self titled 'krs-one'. and anything in the bdp era is worthwhile.

sin six

sin six: dropping edutainment on headz

[QuietStorm]

I';m gonna post this again in here cause it took me hours to compile this list...

Here's a list of most (if not all) Wu Tang and related albums...

Buddha Monk
-The Prophecy

Cappadonna
-The Pillage
-The Yin & The Yang
-Greatest Hits

Cilvaringz
-Mental Chambers Part 1

Darkim Be Allah
-Live At The Lab Take 1

Ghost Dog Soundtrack

Ghostface Killah
-Ironman
-Supreme Clientele
-Bulletproof Wallets

Gravediggaz
-6 Feet Deep
-The Pick, The Sickle & The Shovel
-Nightmare In A-Minor

GZA/Genius
-Words From The Genius
-Liquid Swords
-Beneath The Surface
-Legend of Liquid Sword

Hell Razah
-When All Hell Breaks Loose

Hot Butter
-A New Chamber

Inspectah Deck
-Uncontrolled Substance

Killah Priest
-Heavy Mental
-View From Masada
-Priesthood

Killarmy
-Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars
-Dirty Weaponry
-Fear, Love And War

LA The Darkman
-Heist Of The Century

Lin Brotherz
-Ch'ing Dynasty EP

Method Man
-Tical
-Tical 2000: Judgement Day
w/ Redman
-Blackout
-How High Soundtrack

Moongod Allah
-Ten Tigers Of Kwantung

Ol' Dirty Bastard
-Return To The 36 Chambers (Dirty Version)
-ODBEP
-Nigga Please
-Trails and Tribulations of Russel Jones

Popa Wu
-Visions Of The 10th Chamber

Raekwon
-Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
-Immobilarity

Remedy
-The Genuine Article

Royal Fam
-Yesterday, Today, Iz Tomorrow

RZA
-RZA as Bobby Digital In Stereo
-RZA Hits
-The RZA Big Cap - Wu-Tang Mix
-RZA as Bobby Digital - Digital Bullet
-Birth of a Prince

Shyheim
-Shyheim aka The Rugged Child
-The Lost Generation
-Manchild

Spark 950 & Timbo King
-United We Slam

Sunz Of Man
-The Last Shall Be First
-The First Testament

U-God
Golden Arms Redemption

Wu-Chronicles
-Chapter 1
-Chapter 2

Wu-Syndicate
-Wu-Syndicate

Wu-Tang Clan
-Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
-Forever
-The W
-Iron Flag

Wu-Tang Killa Beez
-The Swarm Volume 1
-The Sting

I also think Deadly Venoms(the chick) has an album out too.. If you think of any not listed, tell me.. New GFK, Masta Killah, etc too...

Enjoy......
Add Raekwon's (my personal fave member as I have stated before) The Lex Diamond Story. It comes out on the 16th I believe but it leaked last night and you know I snatched that up. :$

I'll give a little rundown later.

[Hack]

Does anybody actually consider Kid Rock rap anymore? Show me one store where his albums are in that section. Show me one interview where he'll say he's still straight-up rap.

I say this because rapreviews reviewed his latest. I'm not even a big fan, so don't think I'm saying they're wrong, but they gave it a shit review ... and OF COURSE THEY DID. It doesn't work "as a hip-hop album" because it isn't one. That's stupid.

And to save whatever idiot feels like explaining Kid Rock's history to me the time ... I know he used to be rap.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I thought he took SOUTHERN ROCK
and then mixed it with the HIP-HOP

[Kris P. Lettus]

I like Kid Rock..

:ashamed:

[Simon]

I would consider him nu-metal...rock fused with hip-hop, whatever.

Joe C 4 life

[Hack]

I used to for a while ... and I mean, I don't hate him. But that's besides the point. It's just stupid that rapreviews is reviewing his album and saying its bad 'as a hip hop album ' ... OF COURSE IT IS. IT IS NOT ONE.

[QuietStorm]

Does anybody actually consider Kid Rock rap anymore? Show me one store where his albums are in that section. Show me one interview where he'll say he's still straight-up rap.

I say this because rapreviews reviewed his latest. I'm not even a big fan, so don't think I'm saying they're wrong, but they gave it a shit review ... and OF COURSE THEY DID. It doesn't work "as a hip-hop album" because it isn't one. That's stupid.

And to save whatever idiot feels like explaining Kid Rock's history to me the time ... I know he used to be rap.
Rapreviews gave him a 1 for lyrics and pretty much bashed him for going country. Pretty humorous read.


And The Lex Diamond Story is horrible. And this is from someone who thinks Immobilarity is a pretty good album.

[Simon]

Just read the review, seems pretty stupid that he bothered reviewing it as a hip-hop album when he says himself that it isn't one...also, it's pretty blind to rate it solely in hip-hop terms and give it such a crappy rating on the basis that it isn't hip-hop, when he gives no mention of what it is like as a rock album...if they're going to give an objective view of The Avalanches' album not just from a rap fan's perspective, they should show a little consistency and do the same for Kid Rock.

Also, fuck Kid Rock anyway, the RJD2 album got a great review :):cool:

[Hack]

Poor, poor Chef.

[strange famous]

And The Lex Diamond Story is horrible. And this is from someone who thinks Immobilarity is a pretty good album.

that statement is just too damn funny.

immobilarity was awful.


on a totally different note, did anyone get the new alicia keys album?

got it yesterday and think its damn good.

sin six

sin six: sorry to hear about rae's album

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

you fancy doing a quick review sometime soon, mate? i'm tempted to have a listen myself

[spanish announce table]

:yes: Feeling the name, Flow

Rae has a new album out? Since when? I also liked Immobilarity.

[50 Cent]

I got the Keys album also its fucking awesome nothing like some soulful fucking rnb.

[QuietStorm]

Apparently a new 18-track Canibus leak is starting to make its way around IRC containing a !6 minute! Eminem diss.

The leak as a whole is entitled Return To Canibus and contains guest appearances from The Horsemen, Chino XL, and Method Man as well as a few others.

"...and a ridiculously long 12:07 track which I assume will be Poet Laureate 3 as it has the same guy sampled as in the first two. The story telling is perfect cuz you can truly visualize each bar and not get confused with big words. He does a great job to merge the different verses together. I'm truly impressed, never have I heard an entire 12 minute song with no choruses while hanging on to every bar until the end where your left wanting more."


I need to get my hands on this!!1

[Fro]

Damn cant wait to hear that.

[QuietStorm]

Well, there is a packet for it and it says it is 105 MB's but for now it is telling me there is no such nick/channel.

I still believe it exists for now since a couple people have talked about it and others have said they got in a long queue for it but I doubt that I will be getting it for a while. :\

[spanish announce table]

Holy shit dude.

[QuietStorm]

Someone on Boxden apparently has the Eminem diss (possibly the 12-minute track) and wants to post a link for it so hopefully I can get this sometime soon...if it exists.

[QuietStorm]

And to those who wanted a Raekwon review, I'll keep this brief. EVERY beat on the album is trash. Especially Ice Cream Pt. 2. It is so corny. Plus, there are like 5 skits on the album which totally screw up the flow of everything. I realize this is supposed to be some sort of concept/story album but if you need to put skits in there to help the story then you don't deserve to do a concept album.

And that is the worst part. This is supposed to be the story of some super gangster character of Raekwon's named Lex Diamond. So yeah, very intriguing. Problem is it turns out the same as almost every other gangsta rap album. Shitty. Don't buy this. Just download it.

Immobilarity was much better than this pile of junk. Mainstream'd and no Rza'd out as it was.

[spanish announce table]

:( Raekwon was one of my favorites. Oh, and "Black Trash" had a lot of skits on it too, but it still told a good story

[QuietStorm]

Black Trash was class. That is definitely an exception.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm pretty excited about a new Canibus album, I still don't have C True Hollywood Stories but I'm holding off on that by choice. I don't want to be disappointed by Canibus when he has produced quality found in things like Can-I-Bus? and Rip The Jacker. The Mic Club and 2000BC albums are great as well, but I don't think they flow together as well as the others, Mic Club is a great album with quality individual tracks but I think the track listing is confusing, maybe I'd have changed it. Either that or I haven't listened to them as much as Can-I-Bus? and RipThe Jacker - No Return is one of my favourite tracks by Canibus :yes:

[QuietStorm]

Just don't get CTHS. It was a great idea gone bad. Everyone knows what he was attempting to do but he still jacked me for my 15 bucks. Instead just try to download Box Cutta Blade Runna, The Rip Off, Lemme Hear Something Else, R U Lyrically Fit (and skip past Lou Lombard's part), and get the REMIX of U Didn't Care off The Brainstream, which is much better and he usually his regular voice. Other than that, thee whole album is pretty much trash.

And take all these other bullshit rumors with a grain of salt. Here is all I know. Canibus VI is coming out in approximately 8 months. So there is a chance any Eminem diss or 12-minute track could be held out until then. Chino's camp also denies any track has been done already with Canibus but The Horsemen album should be out next summer as well. I am hoping an Eminem diss is released sometime soon but I highly doubt it because Can-I-Bitch was LEAKED and made before MiClub came out, Canibus has his Army responsibilities, and for all I know the beef is pretty much squashed. There are even RUMORS of a Slim Shady vs. Rip the Jacker track for Eminem's new album. It is nice to see a battle that is out of respect and not I want to kill you, he wants to kill me like the 50 Cent/Ja Rule fiasco. As much as I really don't like anything Eminem is doing these days a collabo with the god MC would be sick.

And that is all I have.

[50 Cent]

Anyone check out that new David Banner album?

[Simon]

I picked up the Nas live in New York City DVD yesterday...similar setlist to when I saw him, brought back a lot of memories...BUT...the crowd was awful. Considering that it's Nas' home, it's the home of most of hip-hop's greats, and it was, in my mind, the BEST place to go as a lover of rap...the crowd was silent. Didn't seem to care. I was shocked. The crowd at London Astoria was a billion times better, the whole place was jumping for the entire show.

I was shocked and somewhat disappointed, I really hope that isn't the usual story, given that one of my life ambitions is to go to NYC and catch some shows...but I don't hold much hope, considering we're talking about one of the best, most famous, most popular rappers in the world, in his HOME TOWN for Christ's sake.

So anyone seen the DVD or have any opinions on the crowd issues?

[QuietStorm]

I dunno, but Nas is whipped. The dude got Kelis' naked body tatooed on his arm. Titties out and all. Hopefully they stay together and he doesn't have to get that removed. Ouch.

[Simon]

He's still the man though...the more I listen to his CDs and watch the DVD, the more I'm convinced he's the greatest of all time, even passing BP who I'm in love with :$

[QuietStorm]

There is a best for every facet of hip hop. Telling a story is definitely Nas' throne. Bar none.

[spanish announce table]

There is a best for every facet of hip hop. Telling a story is definitely Nas' throne. Bar none.

Kool G Rap? Slick Rick?

[QuietStorm]

I have never been much of a Kool G Rap fan. I respect the hell out of what he has done though. And Slick Rick was the greatest storyteller. Nas took his throne. We'll see what happens when The Ruler's album comes out next year. He obviously has had plenty of time to write being incarcerated and all.

And here is my opinion on Jehst. I can't stand Falling Down. He seems to ramble on forever, the beats aren't particularly great, and his flow never changes. BUT Return of the Drifter is freaking incredible. I love that album and it is hard to see why he couldn't continue that path to his first LP. He has great writing skills and despite being British :) he more than holds his own on the mic.

[jesus sucks]

I'm running out of hip hop CD's to buy, I've got about 360 odd. I found a copy of Deltron 3030 and bought it. I really like it.

Can someone tell me what the best albums are by all them backpacker type rappers, aesop rock n all that. and i will go and buy them. List me about 10-20 classics if u can. Oh and some underground deep south classics too?

[Kris P. Lettus]

Oh and some underground deep south classics too?

UGK-Ridin Dirty
UGK-Supertight
Eightball & MJG-Coming Out Hard
Eightball & MJG-On Top Of The World
TRU-True
TRU-Tru 2 da Game
Master P-Ice Cream Man
Three 6-The End
Three 6-World Domination
Ghetto Boys-Uncut Dope
Scarface-Untouchable
Youngbleed-My Balls and My Word
Project Pat-Getty Green
David Banner-Mississippi

Want more??

[QuietStorm]

Aesop Rock - Labor Days (I actually like Float better but the majority like Labor Days better)

Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly

Binary Star - Masters of the Universe

Bizzy Bone - The Gift

Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow

Canibus - Rip the Jacker

Chino XL - I Told You So

Copywrite - High Exhaulted

C-Rayz Walz - Ravipops

Cunninlynguists - Southerunderground (there is your South album)

Eyedea - The Many Faces Of Oliver Hart

Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Volume 2

Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent By Design

J-Live - All of the Above

Mr. Lif - Enters the Collosus

RJD2 - Dead Ringer

Sage Francis - Personal Journals

Talib Kweli - Reflection Eternal

Tech N9ne - Absolute Power

Tonedeff - Hyphen EP

[jesus sucks]

UGK-Ridin Dirty
UGK-Supertight
Eightball & MJG-Coming Out Hard
Eightball & MJG-On Top Of The World
TRU-True
TRU-Tru 2 da Game
Master P-Ice Cream Man
Three 6-The End
Three 6-World Domination
Ghetto Boys-Uncut Dope
Scarface-Untouchable
Youngbleed-My Balls and My Word
Project Pat-Getty Green
David Banner-Mississippi

Want more??

Yeah a few more plz. I've already got a few of them (master p's, tru-true, Geto boys, scarface.

I need to buy some UGK, he's boss lah. And three 6. not familiar with the others buy i'll buy them too.

Quietstorm, is cannibal ox any good. amazon says his album is good.

[QuietStorm]

Cannibal Ox is two guys. I like Vaste Aire a lot more than the other dude whose name I don't think I can spell.

Cold Vein is a good album and I almost added it. It does take many, many listens to get used to appreciate fully. If you are a Def Jux head like I am you'd probably like it. You gotta at least appreciate El-P's production on the album. The whole thing is on some other shit.

[jesus sucks]

I've got a big shoppin basket on amazon and play.com, im addin a load of these as we speak. inc: cold vien cos that sounds good.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I need to buy some UGK, he's boss lah.

UnderGround Kings.. Two of them..

;)

Uuhhhhh..

Haystack-Car Fulla White Boys
NCD-Ten Tyrants *cough*cheap plug*cough* (http://www.planetncd.com/)
YoungBloodz-Against the Grain
P.A.-My Life, Your Entertainment
P.A.-Straight, No Chase
Jim Crow

Definantly get NCD-The Ten Tyrants.. They're my boys..

:)

Banner's Mississippi Part II is coming out this month also..

:yes:

[jesus sucks]

in the jay z video theres just 1 tho and on ghetto d ( i miss my homies track 3)? ...so thats where im fucking up

[Kris P. Lettus]

Saw good..

Bun B & Pimp C are they're names..

p.s.go d/l my boys songs (minus track 12 of Ten Tyrants cause it's hella club shit) off that site and tell me what you think..

k??

[QuietStorm]

I heard Pimp C was in jail?? :confused:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Haven't heard that..

:confused:

[QuietStorm]

I did some investigating. I am pretty sure he is still locked up. Shitty.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1458103/20021011/ugk.jhtml?headlines=true

[Kris P. Lettus]

Damn..

:nono:

I saw a Pimp C produced compilation (of sorts) in the record store the other day...

[QuietStorm]

Yeah it sucks.

And Krispy mayyyn...I was talking about the University of MICHIGAN, not Missisippi in the other thread.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Yeah it sucks.

And Krispy mayyyn...I was talking about the University of MICHIGAN, not Missisippi in the other thread.

:ashamed:

[jesus sucks]

I downloaded long money strong money by your mates kris p. and it's da bomb, well, especially the start. smooth beat and nice good one liners from one of the blokes. :yes:

I'll listen to some more tomorrow

[Kris P. Lettus]

My boy Sleepy Willow(in white in the cd pic) makes the beats...

1st verse/hook:A dude I've known since 3rd grade, Jim D...

2nd verse:My brother by a different mother, L-D(in dark in the cd pic)..

3rd verse: My boy from Memphis, J-Rok..

I'm glad you dig them.. There's like 3 more MC's (including Sleep)...

If you order that shit, you'll be the only person in England with it[/hint hint]...

:yes:

[Suno]

in the jay z video theres just 1 tho and on ghetto d ( i miss my homies track 3)? ...so thats where im fucking up

They're both in Big Pimpin, Pimp C is only in it for a short ammount though, spitting with some bitch infront of a car and I think on the beach, bun b is in it alot though.

UGK own, they have a greatest hits you could probably cop.

[QuietStorm]

I got my Cannibal Ox's mixed up. Vordual Megala rules and Vast Aire kinda sucks. :)

[strange famous]

I got my Cannibal Ox's mixed up. Vordual Megala rules and Vast Aire kinda sucks. :)

no, they both kinda suck.

i could never get into 'the cold vien', i didn't think it was as great as everyone said it was. i liked some of el-p's beats but vast and vordual didn't do it for me.

sin six

sin six: can't stop listening to 'shadows on the sun'

[QuietStorm]

Agent Mathers: Why Mr. Williams? Why? Why? Why do you do it? Why, why grab a mic? Why keep rapping? Do you believe you're battling for something? For more than your career? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know?

Is it skill?

Or acknowledgement? Perhaps your fans?

Could it be for respect?

Illusions Mr. Williams, vagueries of linguistic pronunciation! Temporary constructs of a verbally vicious telekenitically gifted human intellect trying desperately to justify a lyrical soliloquy that is without meaning or purpose! And all of them as artificial as Def Jam itself! Although, only a scientifically inclined mind like Einstein can invent something as insipid as "Stan lives".

You must be able to see it Mr Williams! You must know it by now! You can't win. It's pointless to keep battling.

Why Mr. Williams? Why? Why do you persist?

Neobis: Because I choose to. Mic Club dot net, YEAH!


Edit: Thanks to my man Prox1mo from CanibusWorld/Canibus-Central.

[Simon]

Eminem's soon-to-be-released mixtape. (http://www.pmxclient.com/carlos_test/will_delete_soon/CLoS_Presents_-_Eminem_-_People_Talkin_(Hosted_by_Dave_Chappelle).zip)

[Seanny One Ball]

Quietstorm - is that a Canibus skit or an Emiem one?

Your edit says it's fom CanibusWorld, I apologise if this question is met by ridicule.

If it's by Canibus then it's almost like a pat on the back, as if he's recognising that Eminem is a worthy rival, but that much like Neo he will ultmately triumph.
After writing that I'm guessing that it is Canibus :yes:

[QuietStorm]

Nah, it's just made up. It is just a take from Matrix Revolutions when Mr. Smith is fighting Anderson. The realest shit he ever said...


Why Mr. Anderson? Why? Why? Why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know?

Is it freedom?

Or truth? Perhaps peace?

Could it be for love?

Illusions Mr. Anderson, vagueries of perception! Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose! And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself! Although, only a human mind can invent something as insipid as love.

You must be able to see it Mr Anderson! You must know it by now! You can't win it's pointless to keep fighting.

Why Mr. Anderson? Why? Why do you persist?

Neo: Because I choose to.

[spanish announce table]

Because I choose to. Mic Club dot net, YEAH!


:lol: My friends and I joke about that all the time.

Matrix Revolutions was pretty dope

[jesus sucks]

Has anyone heard track 8 on the kelis album. millionaire. produced by and featuring andre 3000. If they release this as a single it will be a huge hit.

[Seanny One Ball]

I knew it was a Matrix reference at least :yes:

I dunno about her album, but Milkshake by Kelis is fucking great, she's as hot as hell in the video too - shaking that can of hers :drool:
Nas you bastard *shakes fist*

[spanish announce table]

"In Public" by Kelis is underwhelming. Beat, hook and Nas cameo are all pretty weak.

[QuietStorm]

I think C-Rayz Walz is my new favorite rapper. Fuck Canibus and Aesop Rock.

[Simon]

Can someone please explain why all of a sudden all 'real' hip-hop heads are on Fabolous' nuts? Not so much here, but on all the other rap forums I go to...'the king of multis', 'the best in the game right now', 'one of the most underrated rappers in the game'...what the hell? HE IS ASS.

[QuietStorm]

Multi's are all he has. He is great at using them and they aren't that complex but they work for him. I don't like him all that much but I respect some of his work and it is listenable.

[50 Cent]

Anyone hear the new Royce track Hip Hop produced by Premo?

[QuietStorm]

http://www.moonshizzleproductions.com/artists/moonshyne.html

He is sending me a free copy of his new album. I love this dude. :yes:

[Andy™]

I just finished listening to the new Outkast double LP, it's very good. The second half of the CD "The love below" is pretty dissapointing in most areas, but the Speakerboxx alb more than makes up for it. The song "Last Call" with Lil Jon and the East Side Boys is a fantastic party tune, and there's some great rapping on most of the tracks. I'd have preferred maybe a few of tracks to be taken from the second CD and put onto the the first, and then just scrapped the rest of "The Love Below" altogether. But still worth buying. :yes:

[spanish announce table]

I've never heard anybody praise Fabolous, except for a few guys at my school who are Beanie Sigel/ Dip Set/ 50 Cent fans. Fab has good multi's, flow and the occasional witty punchline, but he's the same as every other New York mix tape rapper.

[QuietStorm]

This was posted at CC by Lou Lombard (Canibus' manager)...




Here thee, here thee..... fellow Canibusaniacs! I know we've had our problems in the past but I want you to know the man himself does not hold any grudges or "bad blood" towards this site.

Anyways back to the meat of the hunted game. We're currently negotiating a deal that will let us join forces with perhaps the most mighty hip hop label in the world today, Rocafella Records. My main man wants to make sure that he can keep some of his rights on Mic Club as well and some publishing. Basic deal negotiation. It's looking optimistic though (as it does when both sides are anxious to get a deal done, which is cleary the case).

News on the horsemen. Canibus has told me that Kool G Rap, Vinnie Paz and Chino XL will be on the album for sure. They also want to see if they can get Crooked I on a track or two. As for the distribution rights they are still up in the air. If everything works out with Rocafella then you can imagine it being released on there but it won't be until after Canibus's debut on the Roc.

Until next time, i'm ghost.

[QuietStorm]

Props to Venom from C-C...

http://www.thedemicalone.com/SouthPark.gif


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Simon]

I don't get it

[Hack]

I don't get it


Yeah, you wouldn't. You fucking moron.

PS - I don't get it, either. I'm hip, though, so let's not tell anyone.

[QuietStorm]

There is nothing to get other than that is basically how the three of them looked at the NYC battle on Tuesday. And it is how they look at pretty much every concert.

[Simon]

Yeah, you wouldn't. You fucking moron.

PS - I don't get it, either. I'm hip, though, so let's not tell anyone.

:$:mad:

[Cubed-Sphere]

2pac's "Resurrection Soundtrack" has reached Platinum after 5 weeks on the charts.

he still doing it.

[Simon]

Pity it sucks balls :no:

[QuietStorm]

http://www.qn5.com/~kno/knovshov2.jpg


I need to get my hands on this. Kno is a very talented producer and is the main reason Cunninlynguists are as great as they are. He is perfect with the samples and often seems to have a soulful feel about him. He is the best producer in the South in my opinion. I have no doubt that this will be greater than the original. And he meant to spell Albulum like that.


P.S - Jay is still a fag.

[Mr. Boombastic]

Anybody else a huge fan of Common. I have been listening to alot of his stuff recently and think he is a f'n great artist. I was wondering if anybody has listened to his newest cd Electric Circus and if its any good?

[QuietStorm]

Common Sense got the Baduism Plague and now he is a shade of his former self. Electric Circus sucks nuts.

[QuietStorm]

I hate the bullshit that happens at Canibus-Central. Another believable rumor that is nothing more than an idiot having fun.

[spanish announce table]

Canibus and The Horsemen on the Roc? :wtf: That would not fit AT ALL. How can you have a guy like Bis on the same label as idiots like Young Chris and Peedi Crack?

When is this MOP album supposed to drop?

Gimme that mic back, Mack bitch, you cant spit.........

[Suno]

RR.com gave Memph Bleek's MADE an 8 overall, might have to cop...

[50 Cent]

The Memph Bleek album is dope, his best effort yet.

[QuietStorm]

I assume none of you would IM my new friend but I edited his name out just to be sure just like the one time I talked to Canibus. Dunno if I ever posted that here. Probably cuz at the time I didn't believe it was him until Punisher told me it was a few months later after he went in the army. I so rule.


------- (7:17:29 AM): Hey QuietStorm it's me Kisskiss. Could you IMme the Canibus/DMX file? My screen name is -------
QuietStormIMD (7:17:50 AM): yeah just a sec
QuietStormIMD wants to send file C:\Music\Canibus\11-canibus-30_minute_freestyle_on_hot_97_(feat_dmx_and_n.o.r. e.)-block.mp3 (7:18:33 AM).
------- (7:19:46 AM): thanks my bro. Have you seen Canibus live in London?
QuietStormIMD (7:32:45 AM): i live in the U.S
QuietStormIMD (7:32:48 AM): michigan
QuietStormIMD (7:32:56 AM): never seen cani live :-(
------- (7:33:33 AM): I filmed it, I can IM it to you after this if you want!!
QuietStormIMD (7:33:44 AM): oh sweet
QuietStormIMD (7:33:53 AM): that would be awesome if it isnt a problem
------- (7:34:45 AM): Not at all! I'll Im it to you as son as this is finished downloading! It's wicked. Canibus and Pacman frestyling to the crowd and stuff.
------- (7:35:06 AM): super clear as well. I put it in Quicktime format!
------- (7:35:52 AM): Have you heard Who Write The Songs by Seal's brother and Canibus yet?
QuietStormIMD (7:36:03 AM): thanks a lot!
QuietStormIMD (7:36:08 AM): yeah i have, i love that track
------- (7:36:16 AM): That's me bro!
QuietStormIMD (7:36:54 AM): seriously?
QuietStormIMD (7:36:57 AM): thats cool then
------- (7:37:28 AM): Straight up. I'm shooting the vid with bis in a couple weeks at his base. I'll send it to you as soon as it's done.
QuietStormIMD (7:37:52 AM): =-O
QuietStormIMD (7:37:59 AM): ok, you are my new favorite person :-)
------- (7:38:57 AM): I was always tryna get the Funk Flex thing, but even Bis didn't know where he had it, so I figured I'll join this page and get it. Pretend I was a girl.:-D people always hook up sisters. haha
QuietStormIMD (7:39:50 AM): no shit, i was doing it just to be nice for the record...but if i hadnt stepped in by the time the rest of the americans wake up you'd prolly have offers all over the place
QuietStormIMD (7:39:51 AM): haha
------- (7:40:44 AM): yeah. I'm just gonna locate that joint for you. Where do you live? U.S?
QuietStormIMD (7:40:58 AM): yeah, in michigan
------- (7:42:35 AM): okay cool. my email is --------- so holla me on that when you need whatever. I'll be touring states next year so I'll prolly be in your town soon.
QuietStormIMD (7:42:53 AM): ok, thanks man
------- (7:43:25 AM): anytime my brother.
QuietStormIMD (7:43:57 AM): my man jeymes samuel :-)
------- (7:44:21 AM): :-D
------- (7:46:09 AM): Me and Bis are gonna be doing an album together called "The Urbs", with Vinia Mojica and others. I'll keep you postes on that project and I'll send you some joints. You got a new hook up QS!
------- (7:46:30 AM): *posted*
QuietStormIMD (7:46:48 AM): wow, thats some good news...bis stays busy 24/7
------- (7:47:55 AM): much! He's one of the hardest workers I know. That Who Writes joint he wrote on the spot. He's sick.
------- (7:48:16 AM): a really quick writer
QuietStormIMD (7:48:45 AM): yeah i am sure, which is amazing when his lyrics come out so sick
QuietStormIMD (7:53:53 AM): a lot of the people on c-c are dicks, so i am most definitely going to keep your identity and news on the downlow :-)
------- (7:54:34 AM): Thanks my bro!
QuietStormIMD (7:54:43 AM): no prob
------- (7:54:57 AM): I knew I didn't even have to ask you that.
------- (7:55:01 AM): ;-)

[QuietStorm]

I tried finding my Canibus convo from February but I couldn't at the moment. I emailed it to some people so maybe one of them could send it back if they still have it.

[spanish announce table]

The Memph Bleek album is dope, his best effort yet.

It might be a good album, but that statement doesn't say much

Jeymes Samuel seems like a cool dude. When is "The Urbs" supposed to come out?

[50 Cent]

Let me put it this way Memphis Bleek has finally made a album worth buying. His selection of beats is bang on, the lyrics are still iffy, but he delievers a solid album.

[QuietStorm]

RR.com gave Memph Bleek's MADE an 8 overall, might have to cop...
They also gave Juvenile an 8.5 for lyrics. :blah:

I like Steve Juan though. I have emailed him a couple times about Can-I-Bus and MiClub issues and he responded both times. :yes:


And Jeymes Samuel is cool as fuck. We talked for another hour after that and he hooked me up with the concert plus the accapella to Who Writes the Song. I didn't know anything about The Urbs up until that. So we'll see. Bis has a ton of projects going on so I am kinda hoping The Horsemen album and Canibus VI (with the DVD) come out before BlackMilc or even this The Urbs thing. Plus he is still in the army. Who knows how he is going to find the time.

Anyways, Mr. Samuel said he is going to hook me up with all the exclusives he gets. So we'll see. I love this man.

[QuietStorm]

Pr0x1mo's Vinnie Paz verse. Is this on point or what? :lol:


FUCKING VINNIE PAZ DADDY! JIHAD, JEDI MIND FIGHTING PALESTINE... YEAH, WUTS DA FUCKIN DEAL YOU PAGAN HEATHONS!!!

I write rhymes on arabic PAPER!
I hate flowers roses and pretty make up!
Shoot your testicles off you gay fuck
I was there during the last supper
if you don't believe me shut the fuck up
i hate you and everything you stand for
you take it up the ass like a man whore
I write for allah because he demands more
i seen you get raped through a camcord
jesus passed me the mic durin a stand off
i spiked the mic through his hand on a black cross

Fuck your torahs, it's about korans!!!
Smake ya yamaka off ya heads you fuckin jerry curled heathons!

You KNOW!??!?!? Fucking Vinnie ALLAH PAZZY! You know the fucking deal you fuckin JEWS!

[hbk52685]

Pr0x1mo's Vinnie Paz verse. Is this on point or what? :lol:


FUCKING VINNIE PAZ DADDY! JIHAD, JEDI MIND FIGHTING PALESTINE... YEAH, WUTS DA FUCKIN DEAL YOU PAGAN HEATHONS!!!

I write rhymes on arabic PAPER!
I hate flowers roses and pretty make up!
Shoot your testicles off you gay fuck
I was there during the last supper
if you don't believe me shut the fuck up
i hate you and everything you stand for
you take it up the ass like a man whore
I write for allah because he demands more
i seen you get raped through a camcord
jesus passed me the mic durin a stand off
i spiked the mic through his hand on a black cross

Fuck your torahs, it's about korans!!!
Smake ya yamaka off ya heads you fuckin jerry curled heathons!

You KNOW!??!?!? Fucking Vinnie ALLAH PAZZY! You know the fucking deal you fuckin JEWS!

:lol: That's funny as hell...

And what's this about Bis being in the army?:wtf:

[spanish announce table]

Bis has been in the army for a while now. I heard about the news in the spring/summer. Some people thought it was just a publicity stunt to promote Rip The Jacker. Others looked way too far into it and were crying about how black people shouldn't join the army because it goes against the whole Black Panther movement and all that. Some people, like me, wished him the best and hoped he knew what he was doing.

One thing missing from the Vinnie Paz verse: YOU FUCKIN' CRUMBS!

[Fro]

Anyone got More Street Dreams Pt. 2 by Fabolous? I got it today as a Christmad present, and I'm definetly feelin it. Everyone knows Fab's rhyming style: mad witty, long ass rhyme schemes, lots of metaphors/similes (whatever, I dont know shit about grammar) and little (if any) depth or intelligent narrative. With that said, the dude can write. He comes hard with mad mega-syllable rhymes and doesn't miss a step. The beats are all hot (Fab even produces some songs) and there aren't any sappy love songs. Seems like he put all those out on Street Dreams and saved his harder shit for this album. If you like Fab's flow, I would definetly recommend this. Fabolous is hungry, and he has mastered his own style...take that for what its worth.
Overall: 7/10.

[QuietStorm]

55 Minute Canibus Concert from London 2000. How a REAL MC does things:

http://canibus.nakednucka.net/audio/Canibu...on%20181200.wma

[Seanny One Ball]

For Christmas I got the following albums:

"Decade, but wait it gets worse..." - Sticky Fingaz
Tupac Greatest Hits
Notorious B.I.G "Ready To Die"

Got The Black Album and all, but it's not had a proper play yet so I'll reserve judgement.
Surprisingly I'm liking Sticky Fingaz a lot more than I thought I would, it's not great lyrical sickkness but it's cool and he seems pretty decent to me :yes:
I gave Biggie a listen earlier, it's a good album and I recognise a few of the songs so that's cool - Tupac blows itout of the water pretty much. It's the Greatest Hits though so I'm not dissing Big - definately made up about the Tupac album though. My parents would only have bought me something shite :no:

[Fro]

55 Minute Canibus Concert from London 2000. How a REAL MC does things:

http://canibus.nakednucka.net/audio/Canibu...on%20181200.wma

didnt work for me

[QuietStorm]

Whoopsy, I copied the shortened version. This should work. Lucky I am here. Pak-man annoys the hell out of me and I wish he would just shut up. But it is a pretty nice concert all in all. He spits a sweet freestyle at the 40 minute mark.

http://canibus.nakednucka.net/audio/Canibus%20n%20Pakman%20Subterrania%20London%201812 00.wma

[Simon]

Anyone heard 'Hip Hop Quotables' off Ludacris' latest album? KING of the punchline.

[QuietStorm]

No, actually it is lame. Chino XL is king of the punchline.

[Simon]

Fuck Chino XL. Thinks he has a big set of nuts, really isn't anything special. Luda is the man!

[QuietStorm]

http://www.allhiphop.com/CelebImages/flicks_chinofreeraskass.gif


Just look at him. I am sure he does have a large set of nuts. And have you heard I Told You So? Sure, he doesn't often know when to flow fast or slow but lyrically he can fuck anyone up and the production on that album is stellar. Download Nunca if you have never heard it.

[Suno]

stfu infamous, you couldn't be a star if you was thrown by chinese ninja's!

I used to have a kick ass chino xl sig..... :(

[Simon]

http://www.allhiphop.com/CelebImages/flicks_chinofreeraskass.gif


Just look at him. I am sure he does have a large set of nuts. And have you heard I Told You So? Sure, he doesn't often know when to flow fast or slow but lyrically he can fuck anyone up and the production on that album is stellar. Download Nunca if you have never heard it.I have a copy of that album somewhere...apart from What You Got, I didn't rate it. And even that wasn't amazing.

[spanish announce table]

I dont really find Luda all that great. I like some of his songs, but there's something about him that I dont like, but cant quite put my finger on it

[QuietStorm]

Happy birthday man. My birthday is tomorrow. It must be a Capricorn thing or something that we are the Canibus fans up in this joint. :)

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I just heard "We Pop" for the first time... hot shit

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm disappointed in The Love Below, it's 99% pish, I don't think he raps a verse. A couple of tracks are good music, fun to listen to, but the rest is just a waste of Andre 3000. On the plus side, Big Boi didn't disappoint, still up to his stupidly fast and impeccable flows :yes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Anyone got a list of albums coming out next year like?

[Hack]

I'm disappointed in The Love Below, it's 99% pish, I don't think he raps a verse. A couple of tracks are good music, fun to listen to, but the rest is just a waste of Andre 3000. On the plus side, Big Boi didn't disappoint, still up to his stupidly fast and impeccable flows :yes:

He raps quite a few verses. And there are more shit songs on Big Boi's half than 3000's.

[Simon]

He raps quite a few verses. And there are more shit songs on Big Boi's half than 3000's.

Not from the point of view of a rap fan, certainly. Even from the view of someone who's into different types of music, which I would consider myself to be, Big Boi's is easily the better CD...I appreciate the style of music Andre is going for on The Love Below, I just think he does it really shittily for the most part.

[strange famous]

I'm disappointed in The Love Below, it's 99% pish, I don't think he raps a verse. A couple of tracks are good music, fun to listen to, but the rest is just a waste of Andre 3000. On the plus side, Big Boi didn't disappoint, still up to his stupidly fast and impeccable flows :yes:

'the love below' is the worst album i've ever heard in my life. and i've heard some crap but its the crappiest crap i've ever had the unpleasure to listen to. one of the most incredible rappers maybe ever puts out a subpar avant-guarde attempt at something different. thanks but no thanks. what a waste of talent. i hope outkast and andre reached a wider audience cause they lost a fan in me.

'speakerboxxx' was disappointing also. after listening to 'the love below' i didn't even want to listen to big boi's half.

down with 'speakerboxxx/love below'........give me 'aquemini', 'ATLiens', or 'southerplayalisticmuzik' anyday.

sin six

sin six: 'hey ya' is still a damn catchy song and the only one worth a damn on the cd

[Hack]

Even from the view of someone who's into different types of music, which I would consider myself to be...


Well I also like "different types of music," but I don't agree with you, well, EVER. So, maybe a statement such as "even from the view of someone who's into different types of music" is dumb as hell.

[Simon]

Well I also like "different types of music," but I don't agree with you, well, EVER. So, maybe a statement such as "even from the view of someone who's into different types of music" is dumb as hell.I was talking about myself, not people in general who like different styles of music. I was using myself as an obvious example, but there are tons of people who are into both rap and the funk/soul genre of The Love Below, and most admit that Big Boi's CD is a lot better than Andre's.

Anyway, the album is just weak, to me...the production is good, as you'd expect from Outkast...but the lyrics are dull, and the delivery is just plain bad. Andre is one of the best rappers out right now, and when he's rapping alongside Big Boi, you're guaranteed a hot album...as shown by the fact that Outkast are one of the only long-standing rap acts who have never released a bad album...only Gang Starr can match that, in my opinion. That's part of the disappointment with The Love Below, the knowledge that if he'd have stuck to what he's good at, the album would have been simply brilliant. Where rap is concerned, there are few better, but the style he went for on The Love Below, there are many way better artists.

At the same time, he deserves credit for trying something new, but it didn't pay off.

[N.E.R.F.]

I like it :\

[Simon]

Yeah but you like Nerf Herder :p:D

[N.E.R.F.]

Exactly.

[Seanny One Ball]

I've been listening to the Big Boi CD for the last two days solid, it's so superior to Andre's it's not even sunk in properly - I think two songs on Andre's CD sound different but the rest is all generic love shite, compare it to the mostly enjoyable Big Boi CD and I can't see myself listening to the 2nd CD ever again.

That's not to say that if I was a bigger motown, r'n'b, soul fan I still wouldn't like it, maybe I would - I just really really don't like it for some reason. The Happy Valentines Day song is cool, I like it, Hey Ya is catchy as fuck but the rest just annoys me - it feels like I've wasted money but I'm compensated by the fact that Speakerboxx is still a fairly good album and I've bought worse - remember Truth Hurts?

I have ATLiens - that album shows what OutKast were capable of, Wheelz of Steel and the title track rules :yes:
I don't think it's feasible that since Stankonia they've lost their edge, maybe the lesson learned is that Andre should stick to what he does best - solid rapping and unique singing, but with Big Boi for together they are best.
Although I think that if they did split then Big Boi would have a better solo career, too many people have been disappointed by Andre recently.

[jesus sucks]

He raps quite a few verses. And there are more shit songs on Big Boi's half than 3000's.



Speakerboxxx has no shit songs and is a brilliant CD.

the love below has about 15 totally shit songs. i liked it at first because the production is decent but about 4 days later i realised it was shite.

[spanish announce table]

Happy birthday man. My birthday is tomorrow. It must be a Capricorn thing or something that we are the Canibus fans up in this joint. :)

Happy birthday to you too dude.

Speakerboxxx has no crappy songs? There are about 5 pointless skits (D-Boi, Interlude, Bowtie postlude, Bamboo, Intro) and Tomb of the Boom is WEAK (apart from Big Boi). It makes it hard to listen to an album where 6 of its 19 tracks are skippable. Still a dope ass album though.

With The Love Below, you either hate it or you love it.

[jesus sucks]

Since when do skits count as songs though? besides... Bamboo and Tomb of the Bomb are good, imo.

[Hack]

Since when do skits count as songs though? besides... Bamboo and Tomb of the Bomb are good, imo.


Since when do skits count as songs? Since, uh, always.

The most ridiculous thing about at least 3/5 of the hip hop albums released in the last few years is the amount of skits. They're almost always stupid after the first listen, they rarely help the flow of the album and they just get on my nerves. The skits on Big Boi's disc are all shit, except maybe the kid singing, which is at least cute/funny the first time. Dre's skits, though, actually don't bother me. It is possible to have some that aren't crap. It just doesn't happen much.

Oh, and to keep on the subject of Outkast, ATLiens kicks my ass with its lack of skits. Stankonia, which is actually a better album, has a bunch of them and they're all lame.

[Mr. Boombastic]

I actually like skits and think they can add a lot to the album if done correctly, but the problem is that 95% of cds with skits are just ridiculous breaks taking away from the album more than adding to its flow. The Love Below does use skits very well and sets up each song very well.

I still like Andre's album better. True its not as much of a rap album, but it is different from anything any rapper has ever released. Experimenting with new styles and expanding as an artist is something greatly missing from the music industry these days. Sure Andre could have come out with an album just like ATLiens or Stankonia and would have been pretty damn good too, but its cool he tried something new. Even if you hate his cd, you have to admit that it created a great amount of buzz in the music industry this year because right now there are millions of rap albums like speakerboxxx for every the love below.

Also, doesnt anybody else think that A Life in the Day of Benjamin Andre is the greatest song Outkast has ever made.

[jesus sucks]

My favourite's spottieottiedopalicious (sp?) off aquemini. They couldnt make that song any better than it is is. a life in the day is good also like. :yes:

[jesus sucks]

Since when do skits count as songs? Since, uh, always.




Not really, I think you're in the minority there. Nobody i know considers a skit a song. songs are songs, interludes are interludes, end of.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I always find "Ed-ucation" off 2001 hilarious, other than that though I think skits are shit

[Hack]

Not really, I think you're in the minority there. Nobody i know considers a skit a song. songs are songs, interludes are interludes, end of.


Do I call skits songs? No, quite obviously, I call them fucking skits.

But I don't think you get what I'm saying. They're still "songs" ... they're tracks on the album, they take up a chunk of space. You can't just shrug off the fact that skits are almost always stupid by saying "they aren't songs" ... that doesn't really make them any less ridiculous.

[jesus sucks]

Since when do skits count as songs? Since, uh, always.


........

they don't count in the same way.

I don't like the interludes on the love below, but if the actual songs were any good i wouldnt have cared. unfortunately most of the songs were bad so thats why i hated it.

[Simon]

I got Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death today, for £10...it was almost embarassing to pay so little for such a great album. God damn I love HMV