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son_of_foley
November 8th, 2011, 12:34 PM
Camp sounds a bit college dropout to me. First 3-4 songs anyway. Liking it though

son_of_foley
November 8th, 2011, 1:03 PM
I reckon Heartbeat is the standout as well. Cracking song.

son_of_foley
November 8th, 2011, 2:22 PM
DOES EVERYONE HAVE ME BLOCKED IN THIS FUCKING THREAD IM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT CUDI IVE LEARNED MY LESSON

Chris Dolmeth
November 8th, 2011, 2:29 PM
I didn't think too highly of Camp the first time I listened to it. I think it was because I had my hopes up too high. But giving it another listen, it is pretty damn good. Heartbeat is great.

And what's wrong with Cudi?

Bert
November 8th, 2011, 2:31 PM
Sorry s_o_f, I thought everyone was annoyed with me talking about Gambino by now. I'm loving Camp. That Power is amazing.

Heartbeat is still my favorite.

My only little gripe would be that the studio versions of some songs are slightly different than the LIVE versions I kept listening to on youtube. On L.E.S. when he was singing it LIVE he always repeated the "anyway" after the chorus but on the studio version he doesn't. And on the studio version of Heartbeat the "but not really you say the nastiest shit in bed and it's fucking awesome" is kind of monotone where it was more energetic when he did it LIVE.

son_of_foley
November 8th, 2011, 5:31 PM
I didn't think too highly of Camp the first time I listened to it. I think it was because I had my hopes up too high. But giving it another listen, it is pretty damn good. Heartbeat is great.

And what's wrong with Cudi?

I love cudi man not many others here do

Chris Dolmeth
November 8th, 2011, 5:35 PM
Thats a shame, Cudi makes good music. Sure sometimes he makes no sense, but that's part of the reason I love him.

son_of_foley
November 8th, 2011, 5:37 PM
Did you watch the maniac video? Loved it

QuietStorm
November 8th, 2011, 5:39 PM
Anyone download the omen album I posted? Its pretty fucking good.
I've been a big Omen fan for a long time. Thanks for the link.

Chris Dolmeth
November 8th, 2011, 5:42 PM
Did you watch the maniac video? Loved it

Yeah, very good shit. Cudi is the man.

Fro
November 8th, 2011, 7:02 PM
I honestly want to like Cudi. Can you guys explain to me what he's good at? I don't think it's rapping or singing. Is it just being sort of dark and cool and picking good beats? Or am I missing something when he's on the mic?

Chris Dolmeth
November 8th, 2011, 7:15 PM
To each his own, I guess. I like him because he's unique. Also, I don't think he's a bad rapper. He's not great, but not bad.

Ringo
November 8th, 2011, 7:44 PM
Who do you think ARE bad rappers (as in emcees who actually try and rap in their music) in today's game, Chris?

RuneEdge
November 8th, 2011, 7:59 PM
I honestly want to like Cudi. Can you guys explain to me what he's good at? I don't think it's rapping or singing. Is it just being sort of dark and cool and picking good beats? Or am I missing something when he's on the mic?
:dunno:
I personally like his flow, his melodies and his hooks.

Chris Dolmeth
November 8th, 2011, 8:22 PM
Heavy D is dead

G-Fresh
November 8th, 2011, 8:59 PM
R.I.P. Heavy D

JRSlim21
November 8th, 2011, 11:19 PM
The rap game has me slightly disinterested, like an Attitude era fan who hates SuperCena. Nonethless, I figured I check out Gambino. I wasn't happy with Take Care; it just wets the appetite of the casual Drake fan. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Chris Dolmeth
November 8th, 2011, 11:47 PM
Who do you think ARE bad rappers (as in emcees who actually try and rap in their music) in today's game, Chris?

Honestly man, I'm not very picky when it comes to music. I can't think of many I'd call bad rappers. Soulja Boy comes to mind, but he does well for a mentally challenged guy. Seriously though, minus the SWAG bullshit out there, there's not much I don't enjoy.

Like I don't think Rick Ross is a very good rapper, but I still think he makes good music. If that makes sense.

RuneEdge
November 9th, 2011, 12:57 AM
The rap game has me slightly disinterested, like an Attitude era fan who hates SuperCena. Nonethless, I figured I check out Gambino. I wasn't happy with Take Care; it just wets the appetite of the casual Drake fan. Am I the only one who feels this way?
I'm a new fan. Kinda like the younger Cena fans around the world. I'd say I've only really been into Hip Hop for no more than 5-6 years. I used to be a fan of all the other genres like Rock, Pop, RnB, etc but it was only until the genre's started blending that I got a taste of Rap and I havent looked back since.

For me personally, I've got disinterested with most of the mainstream and newer rappers like you have but I missed so much older stuff. So if someone like Nas or Jay-Z comes out with a new record, I listen to it and think its pretty cool, where as an older fan would think something like "oh, that's nowhere near Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt level". I havent gone through all the old Hip Hop to be able to compare it to anything. So if something is shit, yeah its still shit to me. But if something's good but done before (or just not the artists best work), I'll think it's great.
That's probably why I still think Em's Relapse was a great album. But I remember the popular opinion being "he's gone shit now, stop the crap accent". Another one was 808's and Heartbreak.

Chris Dolmeth
November 9th, 2011, 12:59 AM
I fucking love 808's and if someone disagrees we can fight. Great cd, minus a couple songs.

RuneEdge
November 9th, 2011, 1:05 AM
I personally loved it, but I know the majority thought he should never "sing" again.
I think it's pretty cool that a rapper like Kanye attempt something like that and still keep it artistic. Unlike that Rebirth garbage from Weezy.

Chris Dolmeth
November 9th, 2011, 1:08 AM
See, I didn't hate that Weezy cd either. Wasn't as good as 808 though. Idk, I guess I'm too simple when it comes to music.

son_of_foley
November 9th, 2011, 5:02 AM
I honestly want to like Cudi. Can you guys explain to me what he's good at? I don't think it's rapping or singing. Is it just being sort of dark and cool and picking good beats? Or am I missing something when he's on the mic?

I think the Melodies on most of his songs are unreal. I don't know how much that's down to him or whatever and I kind of like his rapping style.

Techinically he is a poor singer though there's no denying that. The darkness really came through on that last cd his first mixtapes are actually quite upbeat I thought.

Possibly it's just as a fanboy as well but he doesn't seem as swayed by hiphop trends like he's not chasing dance music right now like a lot of people are.

Morrison
November 9th, 2011, 5:22 AM
i really dig cudi. he just comes across as real and genuine on his albums, and he's clearly not trying to be anything but himself, whatever that is. i would never say he's made classic albums or songs, but he's just so enjoyable to listen to.

'mojo so dope' is so ridiculously awesome.

Bert
November 9th, 2011, 5:55 AM
Cudi's cool. He's an ok actor this season on How To Make It In America and I enjoyed most of Man on the Moon I, not so much II.

I think I only listened to it once when it came out though so maybe I should give it another chance. I had never heard of Mojo So Dope but I looked it up on youtube and yeah it's pretty good.

So, much of his music was about smoking weed though so what does he rap out next cd?

Winkle van Tinkle
November 9th, 2011, 9:20 AM
i like man on moon i, not really ii.

Don't mind him at all, always find myself listening to him.

Chris Dolmeth
November 9th, 2011, 1:24 PM
So, much of his music was about smoking weed though so what does he rap out next cd?

Weed and hoes is the rap game.

Fro
November 9th, 2011, 9:01 PM
That's probably why I still think Em's Relapse was a great album. But I remember the popular opinion being "he's gone shit now, stop the crap accent". Another one was 808's and Heartbreak.

Relapse is a great album. I was just listening to it the other day. Dre made all those eerie beats that fit the concept perfectly, and it's lyrically insane. I've come to terms with the accents too - like maybe it would have sounded even more awkward for a 36 year old grown ass man to go back to the Slim Shady persona and spit some dark serial killer stories and other offensive shock value shit without them.

808s is good too.

JRSlim21
November 9th, 2011, 10:21 PM
I'm one of those "old fans" where Biggie & Pac was my youth. As far as music now... I'll tune into anything Cudi, Wale, Gambino (still have to listen to the album), among others. I thought Relapse was a great album, 2nd to his 1st album. 808s and Heartbreak has some great tracks, but it's his "worse" album only by technicality cause the other albums were better. Rebirth belongs in the bin with Kingdom Come.

Bert
November 9th, 2011, 11:02 PM
In my opinion Em has never made a bad album. Just albums that are better than others.

I wish he would do another Re-up. That was underrated.

With Slaughterhouse and Yelawolf it's guaranteed to be good.

I think 808's was better than My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy which I really only liked the singles from.

Fro
November 9th, 2011, 11:09 PM
I think 808's was better than My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy which I really only liked the singles from.

Bold statement there. No love for Dark Fantasy, Gorgeous, So Appalled, Devil in a New Dress, Hell of a Life or Blame Game?

Bert
November 9th, 2011, 11:29 PM
Bold statement there. No love for Dark Fantasy, Gorgeous, So Appalled, Devil in a New Dress, Hell of a Life or Blame Game?

I didn't even remember what they sounded like because it's been a while.

Dark Fantasy, I really just like the chorus. Kanye and Raekwon's verses on Goregous sound muffled and I don't know why. It doesn't really blend well with how the chorus sounds. It bugs me.

I do like So Appalled, I just forgot the name of it. Devil In a New Dress is alright but nothing memorable to me. I don't like Hell of a Life. I don't really like Blame Game because I don't understand the need for echoes and it's way too long.

Fro
November 9th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Fair enough. Gorgeous has some of Kanye's best verses IMO, but yes they are purposely distorted. I think it works well though. Dark Fantasy is a top notch track all around and the beat is awesome. Blame Game is a track I can absolutely see why some people don't like, but as for it being too long, personally I love the Chris Rock part.

Ringo
November 10th, 2011, 8:59 AM
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is still amazing and Kanye can do no wrong in my eyes, ridiculous human being that he is.

Been listening to Take Care. I have everything and nothing to say about it.

btw, fully recommend watching some of these interviews with rappers/producers.

http://vimeo.com/redbullmusicacademy

So far watched the Wu-Tang (basically Rae with Ghost, Killa, Math and Capp chiming in a bit), Bun B (what a great fucking man this guy is - and a good speaker) and DOOM ones (what can you say about Doom?), and they've all been well worth my time.

Might do DJ Premier next. :hyper:

Winkle van Tinkle
November 10th, 2011, 9:15 AM
Really want the WTT tour to come to England just to see them do Ni**as in Paris 3 times in a row like they are currently.

Crazy kids.

Ringo
November 10th, 2011, 9:22 AM
I'm dying to see it. I'd pay the £90 or whatever fucking price it would be in a heartbeat.

Fro
November 10th, 2011, 10:08 AM
Nov 21 I'll be there :hyper:

Chris Dolmeth
November 10th, 2011, 2:46 PM
I've been listening to Take Care lately. Gotta be honest, it bores the fuck out of me.

Chris Dolmeth
November 10th, 2011, 3:03 PM
Camp keeps getting better though :yes:

MikeHunt
November 10th, 2011, 3:17 PM
I didn't even remember what they sounded like because it's been a while.

Dark Fantasy, I really just like the chorus. Kanye and Raekwon's verses on Goregous sound muffled and I don't know why. It doesn't really blend well with how the chorus sounds. It bugs me.

I do like So Appalled, I just forgot the name of it. Devil In a New Dress is alright but nothing memorable to me. I don't like Hell of a Life. I don't really like Blame Game because I don't understand the need for echoes and it's way too long.

what the fuck? how can anyone say they don't like dark fantasy, i would honestly say that it is a masterpiece. not even a huge fan but that album is fucking special.

Fro
November 10th, 2011, 3:44 PM
I'm listening to Take Care right now for the first time. Almost done, currently at the part where he's covering Juvenile's Back That Ass Up.

Agree that it's a boring album. Fewer songs jumped out at me than did on Thank Me Later. I do need to let it sink in more but my first impression is definitely meh.

Haven't downloaded Camp yet. Been waiting for the grouprip.

Chris Dolmeth
November 10th, 2011, 3:50 PM
All the songs blend together, to me.

C'mon Drake! You're better than this!

G-Fresh
November 10th, 2011, 6:49 PM
Paul Wall looks like he's been kickin it with Jamie Madrox.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/MrDiamondFDC/PaulWall3.jpg

QuietStorm
November 11th, 2011, 6:45 AM
Snowgoons ft Reef The Lost Cauze - Black Opz (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube

"Fuck rap, Reef is my favorite MC."

G-Fresh
November 11th, 2011, 6:41 PM
Reef is dope and I like Celph Titled and I can dig some of the stuff Apathy does. I dig me some Vinnie P and Outerspace too. I just can't listen to AOTP.

Stringer Bell
November 12th, 2011, 2:52 PM
That Snowgoons and Reef album is good.

The Drake album is REALLY, really good in my opinion. Just some really dope, smooth songs. "Cameras" is my shit right now...

Still no group rip of the Gambino?


OH and


My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is my favorite album of the last 10 years, EASILY. I never understood when people said things like they didn't prefer "that" Kanye. It's him at his absolute fucking best. Incredible album, still blows me away a year later.

Bert
November 14th, 2011, 3:56 PM
My reply to Stringer got moved..to VIP...and was posted by someone else. Magic.

http://forums.rajah.com/showpost.php?p=6853433&postcount=5612

Morrison
November 14th, 2011, 5:06 PM
why would you use the :blah: to that? MBDTF is a hip-hop masterpiece. one of the best and most cohesive albums i've ever heard, no matter the genre or year.

Bert
November 14th, 2011, 5:12 PM
I disagree.

MikeHunt
November 14th, 2011, 5:33 PM
you couldn't be more wrong bert.

Morrison
November 14th, 2011, 6:00 PM
I disagree.

and you also think eminem hasn't put out a bad album.

Bert
November 14th, 2011, 6:01 PM
I don't see your point.

MikeHunt
November 14th, 2011, 6:04 PM
you are wrong about 2 things.

Ringo
November 14th, 2011, 6:17 PM
jesus bert

Morrison
November 14th, 2011, 6:18 PM
I don't see your point.

you have some ridiculous opinions about hip hop.

Bert
November 14th, 2011, 6:21 PM
Ok.

But, Camp really is Album of The Year.

TheChillidogger
November 14th, 2011, 7:17 PM
and you also think eminem hasn't put out a bad album.

fuck eminem

Bert
November 14th, 2011, 7:39 PM
fuck eminem

It's no surprise to me that you want to fuck a GOAT.

Stringer Bell
November 14th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Jeez....

G-Fresh
November 15th, 2011, 1:03 AM
Eminem fuckin sucks. Dudes bitch made.

Fro
November 15th, 2011, 2:46 PM
I still love Em but his verse on Yelawolf's album is a little disappointing.

Dre's comments imply that Detox was scrapped though he didn't explicitly say as much. :(

Picked up Camp today and it sounds great in the whip. :yes:

Jacknife
November 16th, 2011, 4:12 PM
2 Questions:

1. I heard a rap song the other day that sampled an Aphex Twin song. I quite enjoyed it but I don't know who it was.

2. I just read Mac Miller has the number 1 album. Any good?

Fro
November 16th, 2011, 5:16 PM
I believe he's on his Donald Trump shit, but that's about all I know of the man.

Fro
November 16th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Yelawolf leaked. Only a few tracks in - liking it so far.

http://hulkshare.com/31z9yyt8uatn

QuietStorm
November 17th, 2011, 12:03 AM
Just made it through Camp. Unbelievably good. Probably ranks in my top five this year along with Sole, Astronautalis, Mac Lethal, and whatever it was that Canibus did.

Fro
November 17th, 2011, 6:03 PM
With Camp, Drake and Yela this month and The Roots, Common and Rick Ross in December this is a pretty packed end of year for mainstream hip hop.

Radioactive is a very solid album with great production. He seems to have a good ear for music and the vibe of the album reminds me a lot of Big Boi's solo joint from last year.

Winkle van Tinkle
November 19th, 2011, 7:05 AM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/IE33JGwkhgvzy807sLWRauLro1_500.gif

Love the video from this meet. Hers it is if you've never seen it. Everyone drops a verse. Canibus does Second Round KO before anyone has heard it. The reaction of everyone is :eek:

Canibus, Big Pun, DMX, Mos Def, Mic Geronimo, John Forte Freestyle Rap Cypher - YouTube

Ringo
November 19th, 2011, 7:17 AM
Rozay's new one is postponed until 2012 now, which is a shame but I guess to be expected considering his recent problems, although I think it has to do with the Nicki Minaj song not being finished. Not expecting too much from the new Common but I'll listen to it and you never know, could be a pleasant surprise. I'm really looking forward to Undun though, and everything we've heard/seen so far point to it being another Roots belter.

The Roots "Tip The Scale" - YouTube

Oh and the new Jeezy record too! Jay-Z & Dre 3000 guest on "I Do" (and surprise surprise Andre kills it) which is terrific.

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00045426.html

:hyper:

As for next year...

Rozay
Doom & Ghostface
Nas
Jay-Z
Ghostface's Blue & Cream
Rae
Blu & Exile
Curren$y
K.R.I.T. official debut
Freddie Gibbs official debut
Frank Ocean
Big Boi
Liquid Swords II
G.O.O.D. collab
Kanye!?
Jay Electronica :fingersx:

Winkle van Tinkle
November 19th, 2011, 7:32 AM
The new Common one, if what we've heard so far is anything to go by, will be immense.

Bert
November 19th, 2011, 3:06 PM
I'm liking this Yelawolf. I think part of it has to do with the production. Let's Roll keeps getting stuck in my head.

Fro
November 19th, 2011, 9:13 PM
Yeah the production on Radioactive is really good.

Camp has so many quotables:

How many gold plaques you want inside your dining room?
I said I want a full house, they said you got it dude.

I'm lookin' at her butt that's that 20/20 hindsight
My shit be Jackson, Jordan, Bolton, Keaton, Tyson: 5 mics.

She got an ugly friend? Roll solo.
Can I stay at your place? No hobo.

Ringo
November 20th, 2011, 9:36 AM
http://www.2dopeboyz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/madgibbs.jpg

:yes:

BBF
November 20th, 2011, 9:47 AM
Had the chance to properly listen to both Take Care and Camp now and they are both great, imo.

Camp has so many quotables and CG's word play is brilliant.

Take Care sticks to Drake's usual formula but it works. The hooks are stuck in my head and its a brilliant album to just listen to whilst doing anything.

A big fan of both of them :yes:

Ringo
November 20th, 2011, 9:50 AM
UGH

BBF
November 20th, 2011, 10:11 AM
HGU

Matthew
November 20th, 2011, 10:43 AM
http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Az1cYlQ_LR4/TrfI7PAKjzI/AAAAAAAAAhw/fY9wvJu86Uk/s400/drake+glasses+2.jpg

Fro
November 20th, 2011, 4:35 PM
Take Care has grown on me. An album like that is never going to be one of my favorites of the year because I prefer rap to an R&B hybrid or whatever you want to call what he does - but for what it is, he does it very well. It's a consistent and well executed album and if you're in the mood for it, it's a good listen. I hope he releases a more rap-intensive album at some point though because he's basically done all he can do with this format.

Bert
November 20th, 2011, 4:45 PM
CG's third verse on You See Me is so great.

Told me I was shit, but that shit couldn't stop me
Nigga still hungry, black Kobayashi
When I talk about you I hear a "who?" like Horton
I was born for this shit, you a rappin' abortion
Can we hear the N-word one day and not get upset?
Can we try something new and not be suspect?
I don’t really know, we fucked up bad
You don’t wanna see my dudes when they get mad
I got a bunch of jackanapes at the back of me
That’ll lacerate anyone in the back of a matinee
And laugh while they masturbatin all over your beaten body
Sick boy forever, that Suburban Illuminati
Naw nigga, yeah, we never stop
No period like menopause
No period like, "Oh shit!
Am I the only one you sleepin' with?"
Am I the only one you sleepin' with?"


Bolded part is fucking crazy.

QuietStorm
November 22nd, 2011, 2:14 AM
Canibus - Rip The Jacker 2 Infinity - intro - YouTube

Official album release date for RTJOO is March 3, 2012. That's 10,000 bars.

G-Fresh
November 22nd, 2011, 2:30 AM
So who producing it?

QuietStorm
November 22nd, 2011, 2:44 AM
I think Domingo is handling a lot of the production.

G-Fresh
November 22nd, 2011, 2:56 AM
Domingo is a cool dude. He made some beats for a few people I know.

Ringo
November 22nd, 2011, 3:47 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/?dve76wu8r886c68

GIB-LIB EP. Fuckin yessssss

Judas Iscariot
November 23rd, 2011, 12:49 AM
Hip Hop sucks.

Fro
November 23rd, 2011, 12:54 AM
If anyone has a chance to go to one of the remaining 17 Watch the Throne shows, fucking go man. The show was incredible. 2 and a half hours of non-stop hip hop excellence. By the end of it I was physically exhausted. The set production is the best I've ever seen - tons of perfectly synchronized lights, lasers and pyrotechnics, illuminated moving set pieces that rise out of the stage and floor, video screens all over the place - the works - all seamlessly executed. None of the audio and vocal flaws that typically plague rap concerts - the sound quality was excellent and both guys performed their asses off.

Two legends putting on a show for the ages. Seriously, go. You will not be disappointed.

Stringer Bell
November 23rd, 2011, 1:08 AM
I was offered a ticket to the DC show a couple weeks back because my friend who bought it couldn't make it. It was a Thursday night, I didn't have anyone else to go with, and I'm ~2.5 hours away, plus it was a rainy, shitty night.. I really wish I could have seen it though

That new Action Bronson and Statik Selektah :yes:

Gambino album is excellent. Gonna cop eventually, among other things.

Simon
November 23rd, 2011, 3:07 PM
Long Live Palestine - LowKey - YouTube

Listen to this. Great track. Also, tell me what the beat is sampled from?

Morrison
November 23rd, 2011, 10:09 PM
If anyone has a chance to go to one of the remaining 17 Watch the Throne shows, fucking go man. The show was incredible. 2 and a half hours of non-stop hip hop excellence. By the end of it I was physically exhausted. The set production is the best I've ever seen - tons of perfectly synchronized lights, lasers and pyrotechnics, illuminated moving set pieces that rise out of the stage and floor, video screens all over the place - the works - all seamlessly executed. None of the audio and vocal flaws that typically plague rap concerts - the sound quality was excellent and both guys performed their asses off.

Two legends putting on a show for the ages. Seriously, go. You will not be disappointed.

this. like i said after i saw the show, easily was the best show i've ever seen live.

Bert
November 23rd, 2011, 10:27 PM
http://i.imgur.com/hkd3M.png

Stringer Bell
November 24th, 2011, 5:04 PM
That "You See Me" verse is really dope... on the topic of great verses this year, Action Bronson has a ton, but I really like Mayhem Lauren's verse on Bronson's "Bag of Money".. definitely one of my favorites from 2011

Surprise!!..... Lauren is in the house
I eat foul birds and keep a hen inside my mouth
Always extra, guest featurin' with Doctor Lecter
Like Baldhead Slick, "I hold my mic like a scepter"
Rest In Peace Guru, son I rep through you
Chains on chunk, they lookin at me like "who you?"
Huge handmade Cubans probably fuckin up my posture
Pesto sauce properly drizzled upon my paaasta
No imposter, son I'm authentic
Around drugs so much I'm probably raw scented
Bag of money dips, triceps is all dented
Precise painted pictures, think about life then I pen it
Nike Air extraordinaire, it's a cold world, prepare
That's what it is there, winterize your vehicle
I love kicks like Action Bronson loves to reefer pull
Peace to good bad girls that let us both sleep with you

Action Bronson - Bag Of Money f.Meyhem Lauren - YouTube

Starts right around 1:00. I had to type the lyrics myself cause I couldn't find them anywhere, but they should be pretty much spot on. Love it.

Chris Dolmeth
November 24th, 2011, 7:07 PM
http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/

Holy shit, I started reading some of his blogs. This dude is awesome. Crackin me up. This is about the Oscars

Ayo we usin that shit as verification on a niggas pedigrees n shit b. We gon run up on niggas n ask them if they seen the Toy Story 3 joint n shit n if niggas aint givin that shit a thumbs up we gon take that as a cue to buss a nigga head open wit a fire hydrant son.

:lol:

Pauly
November 25th, 2011, 8:00 PM
Peaked in here real quick, mostly to see if Camp was getting some respect. Glad to see it.

Childish Gambino is the best out there right now.

Bert
November 25th, 2011, 8:27 PM
Peaked in here real quick, mostly to see if Camp was getting some respect. Glad to see it.

Childish Gambino is the best out there right now.

No idea who you are (although the avatar looks familiar) but since you like Gambino we can be friends. :yes:

So am I the only one who likes Radioactive? I've heard like nothing about it here.

Maybe it's because the singers he has for choruses remind me of, and are maybe the same ones that Eminem had on Recovery.

Pauly
November 25th, 2011, 8:48 PM
I used to post a lot more. Haven't for a couple years. Hence the very old avatar. Apparently I was very excited about Santana being a Met.

Childish is crazy good. What are your favorite tracks off Camp? You see me is obviously up there for me... I think Sunrise is my favorite right now, then Backpackers and maybe Firefly.

In terms of his Pre-Camp stuff, I think my favorite is "The Last" but "Break" is obviously incredible. I've seen him live twice now, he puts on an amazing show.

Favorite lyrics off camp right now:

"OR 'I wrote on rape culture my junior year at brown
so I'm allowed to say what all his raps are about'
You better shut your mouth,
before I fuck it.
You really don't like my lyrics?
Or Kid Cudi's, nigga"

I teach Sociology so I really fucking love that one.

Bert
November 25th, 2011, 9:02 PM
Childish is crazy good. What are your favorite tracks off Camp? You see me is obviously up there for me... I think Sunrise is my favorite right now, then Backpackers and maybe Firefly.

In terms of his Pre-Camp stuff, I think my favorite is "The Last" but "Break" is obviously incredible.


Heartbeat is amazing. L.E.S. too. Probably one of those. Sunrise makes me want to dance like Carlton from Fresh Prince.

I can't even pick a favorite Pre-Camp, I really love Fuck It All and Freaks and Geeks.

Break is great but it annoys me because there's something wrong with the volume leveling, on my iPod when listening with headphones it's either really hard to hear or crazy loud.

Favorite lyrics right now:
Askin' him if she gonna play games
With the super smash brothers, but none of them you
I miss the sex when you kiss whenever you through
Sixty-nine is the only dinner for two
I was wrong, but would you have listened to you?
Uh, you were crazy
I got a heart, but the artichoke
Is the only thing girls want when you in that smokin' light

I've never seen him live. I want to. :(

I don't even think he's came to St. Louis, if he did I would find a way to go. Chicago is 4 hours away. :(

Pauly
November 25th, 2011, 9:24 PM
Freaks and Geeks was basically my introduction to him. I probably had the same reaction as most people, being a fan of his comedy and being like "oh yeah? Donald Glover raps, huh?" and then I listened and I was like "Holy fucking shit... Donald Glover Raps!!"

He's easily the best lyricist out there. As a native New Yorker I love LES... "New York 9 is an everywhere else 6... time wise, the opposite goes for chicks"

I'm sure he'll hit up St Louis eventually. Word is that he'll do a Spring Camp tour. Especially considering that when he performed this most recent tour, he didn't do a ton off of camp. He obviously did Bonfire and You See Me. Also All of the Shine and Firefly (I think).

By the way, he inspired me to look up Rosie Jones (Hos is hos is hos man)... I had never heard of her but if you haven't checked her out she's basically the hottest girl ever.

But yeah crowd goes NUTS for Freaks and Geeks. But "You see me" was amazing. You know how when you go to a show and they play a new song you've never heard and it's kind of cool or whatever but you wanna hear the shit that you already know kind of? It wasn't like that. He put the lyrics on the screen for it and it was awesome.

Childish Gambino - "You See Me" (Live in Los Angeles 11-12-11) - YouTube

Fro
November 25th, 2011, 9:47 PM
I used to post a lot more. Haven't for a couple years. Hence the very old avatar. Apparently I was very excited about Santana being a Met.

Childish is crazy good. What are your favorite tracks off Camp? You see me is obviously up there for me... I think Sunrise is my favorite right now, then Backpackers and maybe Firefly.

In terms of his Pre-Camp stuff, I think my favorite is "The Last" but "Break" is obviously incredible. I've seen him live twice now, he puts on an amazing show.

Favorite lyrics off camp right now:

"OR 'I wrote on rape culture my junior year at brown
so I'm allowed to say what all his raps are about'
You better shut your mouth,
before I fuck it.
You really don't like my lyrics?
Or Kid Cudi's, nigga"

I teach Sociology so I really fucking love that one.

Can you explain that Kid Cudi line to me? Never really got what he meant there.

Pauly
November 25th, 2011, 9:53 PM
He got a lot of shit for some of his music being sexist or whatever. With "You better shut your mouth before I fuck it" he's actually quoting Kid Cudi's song "Cudi Zone"

I guess he's sort of saying he's not the only one who has sexist lyrics, and they probably shouldn't be taken so seriously.



Awesome website for rap lyric explanations: http://rapgenius.com/Childish-gambino-backpackers-lyrics

Fro
November 25th, 2011, 9:58 PM
Word. I must have missed that one because, you know, I hate Kid Cudi.

Yeah rapgenius is good shit. Some of the explanations are hilarious stretches tho.

Bert
November 25th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Freaks and Geeks was basically my introduction to him. I probably had the same reaction as most people, being a fan of his comedy and being like "oh yeah? Donald Glover raps, huh?" and then I listened and I was like "Holy fucking shit... Donald Glover Raps!!"

He's easily the best lyricist out there. As a native New Yorker I love LES... "New York 9 is an everywhere else 6... time wise, the opposite goes for chicks"

I'm sure he'll hit up St Louis eventually. Word is that he'll do a Spring Camp tour. Especially considering that when he performed this most recent tour, he didn't do a ton off of camp. He obviously did Bonfire and You See Me. Also All of the Shine and Firefly (I think).

By the way, he inspired me to look up Rosie Jones (Hos is hos is hos man)... I had never heard of her but if you haven't checked her out she's basically the hottest girl ever.

I tried listening to Gambino back in 2010 with I Am Just a Rapper 1 & 2 but the nasally thing really annoyed me. Now I don't find it as bad unless I try to listen to his MC DJ stuff, which I just literally can't do.

Then I heard Be Alone in January of this year and went back and listened to It's On and Untouchable and then went and downloaded I Am Just a Rapper 1 & 2 and Culdesac and I've been following him ever since.

I played the shit out of the EP when that dropped and I've been waiting for his album for what seemed like a year.

And it did not disappoint, it's the album of the year, in my opinion.

He better come to the STL. I really want to go. Do you have any idea what this is about? http://campgambino.com/ because I don't.

I check egotastic at least once a week so I already knew how hot Rosie Jones was. :cool: I wonder if he ever got "some" from Olivia Munn. :chin:

Fro
November 25th, 2011, 10:07 PM
Camp Gambino is an upcoming tour, I reckon.

Bert
November 25th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Don't tease me, Fro.

Fro
November 25th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Or it could be an actual summer camp with CG as head counselor but that would just be nutty. And by nutty I mean awesome.

Also going back a bit I did already say I like Radioactive. Growing Up in the Gutter is fucking hard as shit. Overall the album's not amazing or anything just really solid. 7/10 I'd say.

Stringer Bell
November 26th, 2011, 2:19 AM
Yeah I'm kinda bored with that Yelawolf.

"That Power" is my shit from Camp. Love the rant at the end. Kinda reminds me of a stand up version of Kanye's "Last Call". Definitely a lot of similarities to College Dropout on this album, as someone mentioned.

Forgot to post in here about it, but I saw Kendrick Lamar and Stalley here at UVA a few weeks back. Kendrick was brilliant. Really excellent performance for a solo artist and a small crowd of college kids. Funny I was sleeping on him earlier, because Section.80 is one of my favorite albums of the year, gotta be top 3 at least.

Ringo
November 26th, 2011, 6:35 AM
That Yelawolf is shite. And the new Lupe mixtape is fucking bad too. God, what happened to him? :(

Section.80 is definitely a top 3 Hip-Hop album of the year, and out of all the "new wave" of emcees out there releasing their debuts in the last couple of years, Lamar is probably the one with the most potential I think. HiiiPower song of the year :yes:

Fro
November 26th, 2011, 7:06 PM
Black Star - You Already Knew (prod. Oh No) - YouTube

Black Star - Fix Up - YouTube

"Black Star Aretha" mixtape coming soon. Album next year.

http://blackstarhub.com/

Bert
November 27th, 2011, 3:22 PM
Never heard of this guy til now. But I'm digging this song.

Jon Connor - No Thrillz - YouTube

He has a mixtape out (from last year)
http://www.datpiff.com/Jon-Connor-Jon-Connor-As-Vinnie-Chase-Season-1-mixtape.156298.html

Anaconda Sniper
November 29th, 2011, 1:59 AM
Tell me what you guys think of this dude. He is a guitar player from one of my favorite punk bands American Alligator.

http://paleale.bandcamp.com/album/ten-exes-demo

Bert
November 29th, 2011, 2:26 AM
Not a fan. Shitty flow, shitty lyrics.

G-Fresh
November 30th, 2011, 3:33 AM
Lil Boosie pleaded guilty to smuggling marijuana, codeine, and ecstasy into 2 different prisons and got an 8 year term. That really doesn't mean shit though cause dude still has murder to worry about.

QuietStorm
November 30th, 2011, 3:39 PM
Disregard.

QuietStorm
November 30th, 2011, 3:43 PM
Nerdy white kid KILLS "Look at Me Now" (while cooking) - YouTube

Mac Lethal made the front page of Reddit and is going viral with this one.

Fro
November 30th, 2011, 3:48 PM
Yeah someone posted that on my facebook wall already. It's good.

Undun is streaming online via NPR (and there's also a webrip going around). I haven't listened yet, might just wait for the hard copy, but people are saying it's great as usual.

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=142873013&m=142599672

Bert
December 2nd, 2011, 3:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3Un7F.jpg
iTunes, m4a format.

http://www.fileserve.com/file/F3ta74g/The_Roots-Undun_(iTunes_Version)-2011.zip
or
http://d01.megashares.com/index.php?d01=VjnwtYc

QuietStorm
December 2nd, 2011, 6:53 PM
Thanks for this, Bert.... and Frofiles. Will listen after I get out of the newsroom tonight.

Also: Mac Lethal just made a FB status saying, "I am at the Strange Music office right now. Getting ready to have a meeting with the president, the vp, and Tech N9ne. That's all I can reveal right now."

Fro
December 3rd, 2011, 2:42 PM
I don't really like Young Jeezy but he can definitely make some hot tracks, and this is one of them (mainly due to the features):

Young Jeezy ft. Jay-Z & Andre 3000 - I Do.mp3 (http://hulkshare.com/oi2an6gb3hgv#)

Also Pitchfork destroyed Camp giving it 1.6/10, further establishing Pitchfork as a really awful and gimmicky place for hip hop reviews.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16074-camp/

Pitchfork only like rappers who crazy or hood, man.

Bert
December 3rd, 2011, 2:54 PM
Me and Morrison were talking about that on MSN last night, it's totally ridiculous and I think Gambino should subtitle Backpackers (Pitchfork Anthem).

Fro
December 3rd, 2011, 7:30 PM
I guess Pitchfork just has very high standards for hip hop.

Oh wait:
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14771-flockaveli/

G-Fresh
December 3rd, 2011, 7:41 PM
Also: Mac Lethal just made a FB status saying, "I am at the Strange Music office right now. Getting ready to have a meeting with the president, the vp, and Tech N9ne. That's all I can reveal right now."

Tech is the VP. Dumbass.

Bert
December 3rd, 2011, 7:46 PM
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16082-lil-b-based-god-vellisilent-president/


This passage bears all the scuff marks of Lil B's without-a-net style-- it's artless, it's fumbling, the lines barely connect with a rhyming syllable at the end-- but it's a remarkable outpouring nonetheless.

http://i.imgur.com/Ac62A.jpg

Stringer Bell
December 6th, 2011, 6:21 PM
lol Pitchfork is shit

So not only is Gambino going on tour. He's bring DANNY BROWN (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) with him (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I'll be at the Richmond show for sure


That Roots album is >>>>>>> ... quickly becoming one of my favorites of 2011

Bert
December 6th, 2011, 6:45 PM
http://campgambino.com/calendar/

No STL show, excuse me while I go cry. :(

UncannyIowan
December 6th, 2011, 6:48 PM
Ha, I was just talking to my friend about Mac Lethal last night. I'm sorry guys but Strange Music fuckin blows these days and I'd be sad as fuck if Lethal tried to alter his shit just to fit in with that "bout to bubble" bullshit.

Fro
December 6th, 2011, 7:18 PM
http://campgambino.com/calendar/

No STL show, excuse me while I go cry. :(

No Boston either. Told you it was a tour tho.

Picked up Undun today. Only 1 listen in so I need to give it a few days but it didn't jump out at me as much as their previous albums have. I think it'll be a grower.

Morrison
December 6th, 2011, 10:03 PM
lol Pitchfork is shit

So not only is Gambino going on tour. He's bring DANNY BROWN (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) with him (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I'll be at the Richmond show for sure


That Roots album is >>>>>>> ... quickly becoming one of my favorites of 2011

and i'll be at that jersey show. will the third time in a year that i've seen him live.

Fro
December 7th, 2011, 9:10 PM
There isn't a bad song on Undun, I just wish there was more of them. It seems like The Roots albums keep getting shorter. Great stuff though, I think it flows from start to finish better than any of their past albums. It's not as flashy beat-wise as their other recent ones, just consistently dope.

As for the album's billing as their first concept album, I think just off the music it's pretty vague and you really need to watch the videos to understand the subtle, abstract narrative of the album. And the more I listen the more I appreciate it. This review sums it up pretty well:


Spoiler alert: the character at the centre of the Roots’ 13th album ends up dying. Actually, that’s not much of a spoiler, since Redford Stephens starts out dying; his flatlined heart monitor is the first thing we hear on the opening track, “Dun”. The songs that follow are his postmortem musings on his short life, told in reverse and focusing on the pivotal moments. Well, that’s the concept, anyway. What exactly those turning points are is hard to figure out, since the Roots’ lead MC and lyricist Tariq “Black Thought” Trotter doesn’t so much provide a clear story arc as present a series of images. These add up to a picture of a young boy in the hood who takes a series of wrong turns and winds up on a morgue slab at 25. According to the group’s website, “Through the use of emotives and Redford’s internal dialogues the album seeks to illustrate the intersection of free will and prescribed destiny as it plays out ‘on the corner’.”

What’s missing, though, is any real sense of who Redford is or exactly what drove him to his demise. If you want the character’s back story, well, there’s an app for that, one that features videos and photos intended to provide listeners with a more immersive experience. There’s an argument to be made that if an album requires supplementary material to explain its concept, perhaps the concept isn’t strong enough to stand on its own. I won’t go that far, but I will say that, on its own, undun feels like a novel with several key chapters missing.

None of which is to say that the album isn’t worth hearing. It’s all (perhaps predictably) downbeat, and as such isn’t brimming with potential hit singles, but there are some great tracks. “Stomp” is a stone-cold killer, built from a dead-simple but effective kick-snare beat courtesy of drummer Amir “?uestlove” Thompson. That’s topped by a fuzzy ’70s-funk guitar line and a staccato piano riff reminiscent of ’90s gangsta rap, over which guest MC Greg Porn offers this blunt wish-I’d-never-been-born couplet: “Put the knife in ya back cut down to the red meat/Daddy should’ve let me be a stain on the bed sheets.” Equally bleak is “Lighthouse”, on which Redford’s existential despair is couched in maritime metaphors: “You’re facedown in the ocean/And no one’s in the lighthouse”.

The record closes in a way that reveals the Roots’ musical aims to be as lofty as its conceptual ambition. It’s an instrumental suite with four short movements. The first is “Redford (For Yia-Yia and Pappou)”, the achingly tender Sufjan Stevens piano piece that gave undun its character’s first name (his surname was surely inspired by Stevens’s own). The most gripping movement, however, is the third, “Will to Power”, which is one minute and three seconds’ worth of ?uestlove and Canadian jazz pianist going totally off the rails. It’s a burst of chaos that’s over almost as soon as it begins, and as such is a perfect illustration of Redford’s imaginary life, which spiralled out of control and then came to an abrupt, needless end.

G-Fresh
December 7th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Propz to Tech for supporting the troops.


Tech N9ne is set to go on the first-ever USO Tour to the Middle East to perform for the U.S. troops.

“I was inspired to go out on a USO tour by my military fans and all the wounded warriors I met at Camp Pendleton,” Tech said via a press release statement. “I can’t wait to fly over to the Middle East and spend time with our men and women in uniform.”

The USO entertainment tour will have Tech visiting with thousands of airmen, marines, soldiers and sailors and performing six live-action shows for them, although the countries and exact tour dates cannot be released at this time due to security reasons.

Stringer Bell
December 8th, 2011, 1:02 AM
Best of 2011 lists... let's go...

Bert
December 8th, 2011, 1:07 AM
1. Childish Gambino - Camp

QuietStorm
December 8th, 2011, 1:41 AM
1) Sole and the Skyrider Band - Hello Cruel World
2) Astronautalis - This Is Our Science
3) Childish Gambino - Camp
4) Mac Lethal - North Korean BBQ
5) Canibus - Lyrical Law

Plenty I haven't heard this year. Just don't have the time to check everything out anymore. Then I end up listening to the ones I do like over and over.

Ringo
December 8th, 2011, 5:21 AM
AraabMuzik & Clams Casino would be 1 and 2 if we counted them as Hip-Hop, but I wouldn't, so I won't.

1. Danny Bown - XXX
2. Big K.R.I.T. - Return of 4eva
3. The Roots - Undun
4. Jay-Z & Kanye - Watch The Throne
5. Death Grips - Exmilitary
6. Saigon - The Greatest Story Never Told
7. Kendrick Lamar - Section.80
8. Pharoahe Monch - W.A.R.
9. Blu - NoYork!
10. J. Cole - Cole World: The Sideline Story
11. Curren$y - Weekend At Burnie's
12. Shabazz Palaces - Black Up
13. Raekwon - Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang
14. Blu - j e s u s
15. Frank Ocean - Nostalgia/Ultra

4573. Lupe Fiasco - Lasers

Bert
December 8th, 2011, 5:38 AM
No Gambino?!

I'm going to have to look up this Danny Brown guy, I guess.

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 5:44 AM
2011 has been a shitty year for music in general.

Simon
December 8th, 2011, 5:45 AM
I downloaded and listened to that Childish album on the weekend. Crap.

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 5:48 AM
Well I'll be. Me and Simon agree on something.

Bert
December 8th, 2011, 6:06 AM
I downloaded and listened to that Childish album on the weekend. Crap.

You probably don't like him because he speaks his words clearly and is easy to understand. Unlike all the shitty UK rappers.

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 6:11 AM
Dudes a fuckin cookie cutter rapper. Nothing special about him.

Simon
December 8th, 2011, 6:17 AM
You probably don't like him because he speaks his words clearly and is easy to understand. Unlike all the shitty UK rappers.

Bert trying to be a big man again I see :lol:

CG isn't terrible or anything, but he certainly isn't good. The only thing interesting about him is working out who he's ripping off more, Kanye or Drake.

Also I downloaded the Yelawolf album, which is also shite.

Simon
December 8th, 2011, 6:19 AM
Pretty much every major hip-hop release I've listened to this year has been dire actually. I re-listened to Watch The Throne over the weekend - didn't like much the first few times through but I kept it because I was sure there was something I was missing. Nope, it's just rubbish. The only good track on the whole album is That's My Bitch.

Luckily I've gone over a few back catalogues and rediscovered loads of old gems I'd forgotten about over time...

Fat Joe - "Bronx Keeps Creating It" - YouTube

Jeru The Damaja - Da Bichez (1995) [HQ] - YouTube

lost boyz-renee - YouTube

Brand Nubian - Don't Let It Go To Your Head - YouTube

Arrested Development - Tings Distracting - YouTube

Rather Unique - AZ - YouTube

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 6:22 AM
Yeah, Yelawolf is fuckin wack too.

Ringo
December 8th, 2011, 6:46 AM
The Yelawolf is awful, and Camp is pretty lame too. Gambino changes things up a bit I guess, but at this point the novelty has worn off for the most part and he's just annoying and repetitive.

And that is a quality selection there Simon. :yes:

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 6:54 AM
Fuck Odd Future too. They are just as wack as CB and Yelafag. Tyler bites Esham and Necro hard.

Bert
December 8th, 2011, 6:56 AM
I am not a novelty, just the first to do it different,
I have always been this good, you were just laughing too hard to listen,
Got my career overnighted, maybe you should order one,
Springsteen this city cause this city we were born to run.

Anyway,

1. Childish Gambino - Camp
2. J. Cole - Cole World
3. Tech N9ne - All 6's and 7's
4. Jay-Z & Kanye - Watch The Throne
5. Yelawolf - Radioactive
6. Bad Meets Evil - Hell The Sequel
7. Lil Wayne - Tha Carter 4
8. Big K.R.I.T. - Return of 4eva
9. Kendrick Lamarr - Section 80
10. The Roots - Undun (I only like the songs with rapping and there aren't many.)
11. Drake - Take Care

Simon
December 8th, 2011, 6:59 AM
And that is a quality selection there Simon. :yes:

The Fat Joe one is especially great. I got into Terror Squad very quickly after getting into hip-hop generally, and his JOSE album was the best poppy rap album going when that was the flavour of the month, but as I got more into 'real' hip-hop I went off him for obvious reasons, especially as his music got more and more R&B...but that first album is fucking quality. Dark beats, great lyrics...his flow of course isn't brilliant but that whole album is just a monster.

Fro
December 8th, 2011, 11:18 AM
Best of 2011 lists... let's go...

Definitely waiting on Common's album before making my list. I have a feeling it'll be top 5.

Also to a lesser extent, the Snoop and Wiz high school album. If the singles are any indication it should be a really fun weed album.

This video is hilarious btw

Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa - Young, Wild and Free ft. Bruno Mars - YouTube

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Common has turned into a bitch too.

UncannyIowan
December 8th, 2011, 12:33 PM
Fuck Odd Future too. They are just as wack as CB and Yelafag. Tyler bites Esham and Necro hard.

:yes:

Still their shit is pretty cool. You can't expect after 20 years for no one to be influenced by Esham. Listen to my shit, there's definitely an influence. I'm not saying Tyler and co. are fire but they do have some creative music going @ times. Would I buy their stuff? Probably not, but youtube ain't a bad means of getting the name out.

At least Tyler's biting the good shit and not the Mail Dominance type titty bar puke.

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 2:23 PM
:yes:

Still their shit is pretty cool. You can't expect after 20 years for no one to be influenced by Esham. Listen to my shit, there's definitely an influence. I'm not saying Tyler and co. are fire but they do have some creative music going @ times. Would I buy their stuff? Probably not, but youtube ain't a bad means of getting the name out.

At least Tyler's biting the good shit and not the Mail Dominance type titty bar puke.

Yeah, I don't really like Mail Dominance, but Outcha Atmosphere is raw. Being influenced by another artist and paying homage to them is one thing. Tyler blatantly rips off Esham and Necro and gives them no respect just like how Lokey and Mission: Infect bites Twiztid. At least J openly says that they basically got their style from Esham. Tyler saying fuck Wu-Tang is enough for me to be like fuck that dude and everybody he runs with.

They are fuckin punks on stage too. I seen a video of OF performing in The D and their DJ got hit in the face with a bottle of water and they stopped the show. They would never be able to survive a hardcore crowd. I seen another video of Esham driving by the line to the same concert talking about how it was a total sausage fest. Shit makes me laugh every time I watch it.

UncannyIowan
December 8th, 2011, 2:33 PM
Yeah, I don't really like Mail Dominance, but Outcha Atmosphere is raw. Being influenced by another artist and paying homage to them is one thing. Tyler blatantly rips off Esham and Necro and gives them no respect just like how Lokey and Mission: Infect bites Twiztid. At least J openly says that they basically got their style from Esham. Tyler saying fuck Wu-Tang is enough for me to be like fuck that dude and everybody he runs with.

They are fuckin punks on stage too. I seen a video of OF performing in The D and their DJ got hit in the face with a bottle of water and they stopped the show. They would never be able to survive a hardcore crowd. I seen another video of Esham driving by the line to the same concert talking about how it was a total sausage fest. Shit makes me laugh every time I watch it.


Yeah anyone who says fuck Wu-Tang from a personal standpoint is an idiot who needs shot in the dick. I do think it's bunk if you don't pay homage, and I know Tyler bit something from Boomin Words From Hell which is lame.

Lol @ the Lokey and Mission Infect comment.....Meth Infect with old ass Tonez lol. Ah that was funny...

Nothing against Esham, I love his work, even some of that new stupid shit he's trying to pass off as "acid rap" but his crowds are usually nothing but ICP fans or white dudes in general so i don't know why he's talking about a sausage fest. But then again he's just bitter because he decided to make his sound gay as fuck when everyone else from Detroit was getting put on the mainstream (ICP, Kid Rock, then Eminem).

G-Fresh
December 8th, 2011, 2:45 PM
Esham is extremely bitter. He is still one of my favorite rappers, but I get tired of him talking shit because shit didn't work out for him. J, Shaggy, & Alex took him in and gave him a deal. Now all he does is talk shit because they didn't share the millions they were making. It's his fault that he didn't sell as well as ICP & Twiztid. I never hear Blaze, ABK, or Boondox whining about how much money they make. Blaze was basically a dope dealer that got on cause he was cool with Twiztid and was part of the road crew. Dude is a millionaire now. I'm sure Mike Clark, ABK, Boonie, DJ Clay, & the Dayton Fam are happy with the money they make. Plus they are always doin shows.

Sure I wish that Esham and J were still cool and that it would have worked out better for him. I know dude made a shitload when he was on the Hatchet. I never hear Syn from Zug Izland complaining because shit didn't work out. I guess it's all about prospective.

UncannyIowan
December 8th, 2011, 4:21 PM
Didn't hurt that Blaze is Jamie Madrox's cousin and used to rap with them back when House of Krazees was a super group with Skrapz (look up the group 2 Krazy Devilz aka Blaze and Skrapz).

What pissed me off about Esham was that the more chances he was given to rise to the top he made shittier albums. I really stopped giving a shit after Bruce Wayne because Mail Dominance was terrible and Tongues was pretty much just him shitting on Eminem and D12, trying to get heard and all he got was an ass beating on the Warped tour (eyeball hanging out of his dome...ouch!)

Psychopathic signs him and he basically didn't do anything with any of the members on the crew and made records that were even worse than before he got signed.

I blame Esham's brother James, when James got locked up Esham lost direction. Fuck it, I'm all about Mastamind anyway. Get @ me.

G-Fresh
December 9th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Dead Boy is fucking crazy. Skrapz is one of the best rappers around. Him & R.O.C. ripped shit in Halfbreed.

I have met everybody on Psy except ABK & Boonie and I can say that they are not arrogant or anything. Blaze is the coolest guy on the label. We made a big sign that said SPEED LIMIT 5 MPH's and regulated shit outside of our camp site at the 2007 Gathering and Blaze, 2 Tuff Tony, & R.O.C. fuckin loved it. Necro & Mr. Hyde were Hauling ass on a golf cart and my dude Money (TheChillidogger) jumped out in front of them and about made them crash. The guys in Project Born are pretty cool too. Mr. Nitty put me in charge of the gate to the VIP room at The Monsters Ball in 2008. All them dudes are really cool people.

I talked hella shit to Bizarre too. I have never liked Eminem or anybody that runs with him though. I didn't like Eminem before the beef either. I think it's a fuckin joke that Bizarre and Proof have been featured on Psy/HH albums. I do hope that it pissed Eminem off that Proof was kickin it with Psy right before he died and that Bizarre has performed at multiple Gatherings. Fuck all them dudes.

Fro
December 9th, 2011, 12:38 AM
LOL. Em and ICP squashed the beef before Proof died but it's nice to see the jugalos are still bitter.

G-Fresh
December 9th, 2011, 3:59 AM
LOL. Em and ICP squashed the beef before Proof died but it's nice to see the jugalos are still bitter.

No they didn't. J and Esham tried to end it, but bitch boy Eminem told them to fuck off. Esham talks about it in multiple interviews. They are all cool with Bizarre and King Gordy though.

Fro
December 9th, 2011, 7:50 PM
From 2010:


"The beef we had with him was 11 years ago," Shaggy 2 Dope explained. "That's like beefing with somebody in high school and going to your 20th high school reunion, and you still have heat with that kid?" In fact, the proverbial hatchet between Em and ICP has been buried for quite a few years, and the credit for that goes to late D12 member Proof. "Proof squashed that beef before he passed away," Violent J said. "He contacted us and we had a bowling game — it was really cool. We're something different. They could have skipped over us and said forget them, but they included us and said let's squash it."

ICP have even been enthusiasts of Eminem's later work. "Some people call it horrorcore, we call it the wicked sh--, but it was cool to see him dabbling with that again on the first Relapse record, with '3 A.M.' and stuff like that," Violent J added.

G-Fresh
December 9th, 2011, 11:02 PM
Yes. ICP killed it on their part, but Eminem didn't. Eminem was asked what he thought of them in an interview last year and he called them fags. He's the one that is still bitter.

Bert
December 9th, 2011, 11:52 PM
Do you have a link to this supposed interview?

They are fags though.

Chris Dolmeth
December 10th, 2011, 12:02 AM
They're not fags, they just like to wear make-up.

G-Fresh
December 10th, 2011, 12:03 AM
It's been a minute since I read it. It was early last year. It was for Murder Dog or some Detroit magazine.

They were cool with Proof and still are with Bizarre like it says in what Fro posted. The story is more complicated that that though. It also involved Esham, Mike Clark, and King Gordy.

Fro
December 10th, 2011, 12:38 AM
I would be interested to see that interview because it doesn't sound like something Em would say nowadays. He's pretty much steered clear of drama since his return. I even heard Everlast doing an interview on Shade 45.

Anyway let's all just smoke some weed and listen to this:

Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa - Mac + Devin Go To High School (http://www.fileserve.com/file/QWYgAjw/SDWK.rar)

:D

G-Fresh
December 10th, 2011, 1:07 AM
My dude M-Eighty is doing the A&R for the new Dogg Pound album produced by Snoop & Dre.

Fro
December 10th, 2011, 1:14 AM
Dre producing an album doesn't really have the same clout it once did, sadly, but that should still be good.


Tyler saying fuck Wu-Tang is enough for me to be like fuck that dude and everybody he runs with.



Yeah anyone who says fuck Wu-Tang from a personal standpoint is an idiot who needs shot in the dick.

Are you talking about the below interview? He didn't say fuck Wu-Tang, he just got pissed when someone said Odd Future was the new Wu-Tang. Big difference. He even shouted out the Wu on Bastard.

OFWGKTA DON'T GIVE A F*CK ABOUT WU-TANG, THIS INTERVIEW OR B.O.B - YouTube

G-Fresh
December 10th, 2011, 1:17 AM
He should be grateful for being compared to Wu. Fuck him.

QuietStorm
December 10th, 2011, 1:25 AM
I've always preferred Daz production to Dre's. Good for M-Eighty, he really works hard for his people.

QuietStorm
December 10th, 2011, 1:28 AM
Some people pose the argument that Canibus is always dissing somebody and to that I reply that I have always been one to speak up if ever my values, beliefs, or what I stand for as a man in this thing called Hip Hop have ever been challenged. Throughout my 17 year music career I have never taken the easy route and I will continue to fight for what I believe in. However, on the other side of that coin, very rarely do any of these artists use the proper channels available to reach out and communicate with me. Royce uses twitter and argues with fake accounts and considers it a valid way to embolden his self. Anybody can pose as anyone else on the internet. As a matter of fact, I've been trying unsuccessfully to get the blue checkmark on twitter for almost two years until I just gave up. Something bigger than the captain is awry over there, believe me. As always, I'm left to use the only outlet and resource I know to state the facts and to give credence to my perspective which is all to often overlooked, and I would be lying if I said I did not resent this wholeheartedly. I use pure uncorrupted Hip Hop to respond and I will continue to do this as long as I possibly can.

Check the resume’ people. I have always taken on the hard targets in that regard, yet in the *spirit of true respect, I have always reached out to the legends, and elder statesmen in Hip Hop I came up listening to from Rakim, to Kool G Rap, K-Solo, Professor Griff, and numerous others, and showed my appreciation for their talents by asking if they’d honor me with their presence on wax through song collaborations.

*( and out of respect for hip -hop in general)

Even though no monetary figure could ever compensate them for their contributions to the art of hip-hop, I paid them out of a budget when I had a label and out of my own pocket when I didn't have financial backing for their participation on my projects, all the while exhibiting unrivaled love, admiration, humility and humbleness as a man. As a fan, I hold an immeasurable amount respect for their forever timeless and inspirational catalogues. These are legendary artists, who sometimes may not have been occupying the public spotlight but I did what I felt to be the honorable thing and I've proactively offered up gestures such as compensating them for their talents as well as their contributions to my life, as a fan first, a student of hip hop 2nd, and ultimately a man of music with similar aspirations of becoming a world renown lyricist myself. Every real rappers dream. I knew they were able to feed their families and be proud of their impact on the beast from the east with the bread we broke.

Currently, new artists such as J Cole have continuously mentioned me as their favorite artist, shouted me out in articles, magazine/online interviews, and even gone as far as starting off show sets by playing some of my earlier material to warm up the audience and give off the impression that he is real hip hop and loves real lyricism. Cole might say he does this to pay homage, but in reality, by him playing my older material owned by my former label dating back to 1998, subsequently overlooking my current works and contributions which directly benefit me now, he is treating me less like an artist that has, and continues to contribute, influence, and inspire an even younger generation of MC’s coming up, and more like an artist that has physically passed on already(i.e. Tupac, B.I.G., Big L, Heavy D, Eyeda): you get the point I'm trying to make. I can't help but to think that he is not nearly as sincere or genuine as he would like real hip hop heads to think he is because he speaks about me like I am dead. What he is doing is underhanded and disingenuous and whether it is his idea or not, I don't agree with his tactic and I have something to say about it.

Was I so ahead of my time back in 1996 that people are currently unable to comprehend the jewels I continue to offer hip-hop NOW in 2012?

Do some real research folk. I am currently 12 albums deep, and I challenge anyone with a high school education or better to dispute the validity of the cutting edge Hip Hop music I still contribute to the art form on a yearly basis. Whether you ever wanted to collaborate on a track with me or not is your prerogative, I only ask that in your efforts to “pay homage” you don’t overlook my current offerings to this genre I still love very much and defend to the fullest.

Some might look to label me as an older head picking on a younger head who claims to have been influenced by me, but I refuse to let anyone including him stand on what we built, and pompously extract only the parts that suit them and their undermining intentions under the guise of "paying homage". I'm sick of it. That’s fake, fraudulent, and misrepresents mine and others contributions, and significance to hip-hop music. After watching many many interviews of Clone, I mean Cole "pay homage", I decided to pay some homage to him myself because I am still alive and well and ready to throw down for Hip Hop.

Respectfully yours,
Captain Cold Crush
Haters gonna hate.

Fro
December 10th, 2011, 1:31 AM
My take on OF:

Tyler has a lot of skills as a producer, rapper and frontman - there's really no denying it. Unfortunately, Goblin was a letdown. Sandwitches and Yonkers had people expecting a classic but the rest of the album turned out to be a lot of boring horrocore (despite him not wanting people to call it that). Bastard is a better album, and probably so is Earl.

If they make a real Odd Future group album with Tyler, Earl, Hodgy and Frank Ocean it could be so fucking immense. They've yet to live up to their potential.

QuietStorm
December 10th, 2011, 1:34 AM
I like him as a producer, can't stand him as a rapper.

Fro
December 10th, 2011, 1:39 AM
I like him as a producer, can't stand him as a rapper.

Yeah I can see that. I think he's a great producer and a decent rapper. Which is why I'd rather see a posse album instead of another solo from him.

G-Fresh
December 10th, 2011, 1:39 AM
Good for M-Eighty, he really works hard for his people.

Eighty is a good dude. He gets way too much hate, especially from Wu heads. I have kicked it with him several times and got to hang out with Killah Priest, C-Rayz, & the Wisemen. Dude has treated me good.

Bert
December 10th, 2011, 1:41 AM
Canibitch is so delirious he thinks it's the year 2012 already.

G-Fresh
December 10th, 2011, 1:42 AM
Canibus is the most arrogant artist I've ever met.

Bert
December 10th, 2011, 1:46 AM
Cole World is a better album than anything Canibitch has ever or will ever put out.

Also, I used to just dislike Canibitch because his music sucks, but now I see he's also a self righteous bitter prick and hate him as a person too.

QuietStorm
December 10th, 2011, 1:46 AM
He shouldn't be hating on Cole, who used to post and rhyme on Canibus-Central back when he was still Therapist.

Fro
December 10th, 2011, 1:48 AM
Cole World is a better album than anything Canibitch has ever or will ever put out.

This is false for the record.

QuietStorm
December 10th, 2011, 1:49 AM
The Beasts From the East verse alone is better than a lifetime worth of some rappers' work.

Fro
December 10th, 2011, 1:51 AM
He shouldn't be hating on Cole, who used to post and rhyme on Canibus-Central back when he was still Therapist.

That's pretty funny. Didn't know that.

QuietStorm
December 10th, 2011, 7:19 AM
Canibus is the most arrogant artist I've ever met.
Canibus - Vitruvian Canman - YouTube

Yup.

G-Fresh
December 10th, 2011, 7:28 AM
I still got mad love for Canibus. He was just an asshole when I met him. He still took the time to sign my Four Horsemen CD though.

G-Fresh
December 11th, 2011, 10:47 AM
I seen this and figured I'd post it

T.T. - Midwest Meltdown (Feat. Twista & Tech N9ne)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaCwWhwWAA

G-Fresh
December 11th, 2011, 10:48 AM
double post

Stringer Bell
December 11th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Cole World was disappointing (to me) and no, it wasn't better than anything Canibus has ever put out.

I didn't realize he that Cole had some Canibus obsession, and Bus sort of has a point, but it's really kind of ridiculous. All of that writing and the main thing I got was that he's mad Cole plays his old music to warm up the crowd at shows. Well to be fair, it's not like Canibus has a lot of music that the typical J. Cole concert goer is going to recognize, or even appreciate. I think Canibus should be happy he's getting props from a new MC and that his music is getting played by him at all. There's a ton of artists who take inspiration and even bite styles without giving the slightest bit of recognition, so... it's really pretty fucking silly.

QuietStorm
December 12th, 2011, 12:03 AM
His main point was that older cats such as Rakim when he was younger and he gave the love back by going to Rakim's to record music and such. He doesn't see the younger generation giving back in the right ways to the vets who might need it.

I don't think he approached the criticism in the right way, but I see his point. Why not see if you can get Canibus opening for you if you love him so much rather than just playing his old jams?

QuietStorm
December 12th, 2011, 12:03 AM
His main point was that he looked up to older cats such as Rakim when he was younger and he gave the love back by going to Rakim's to record music and such. He doesn't see the younger generation giving back in the right ways to the vets who might need it.

I don't think he approached the criticism in the right way, but I see his point. Why not see if you can get Canibus opening for you if you love him so much rather than just playing his old jams?

Stringer Bell
December 12th, 2011, 12:49 AM
Now that would be cool, having him as an opener. I do agree that the newer breed should give more props to the pioneers (crazy to think that Canibus is part of the "old" generation now).. but you do see it from time to time; Drake, Big K.R.I.T. and a ton of others have championed UGK pretty hard and pretty much kept Bun B relevant as a solo artist. I've also heard Kendrick Lamar give a ton of props to 2pac. Then you've got someone like Tyler The Creator who's so convincing when he tells you N.E.R.D. is the best group ever, you almost start to believe him.

I think it's cool when an artist is heavily influenced by something obscure or unexpected. Read that Drake was listening to a lot of the James Blake album while recording Take Care which is pretty interesting. I still remember when Kanye came out in 2003/2004, he wouldn't stop talking about how Ma$e was his favorite rapper :lol:


The love is there... I guess it just needs to be shown differently.

Fro
December 12th, 2011, 8:09 PM
Canibus opening for J Cole would be an awesome but extremely odd concert. I don't see a whole lot of overlap between their fanbases. And Bis would not sound right on any track from Cole World. I could see them doing a mixtape song together maybe, but Cole has a completely different (commercial) vibe that doesn't mesh with Bis's style at all. This whole thing is pretty embarrassing for Bis. Like QS said he does have a somewhat understandable point but he completely spazzed out about it (the diss song is pretty bad too). And obviously he realized it since he apologized on youtube:

"I've seen thousands and thousands of comments of 'J. Cole', and all the negativity it's stirring up. After 48 hours of, I feel confident enough to say that it's unanimous. Hip-hop has spoken up loud and clear, it's a 'cole world' right now, and you're reignin' champ, J. I take full responsibility for my actions and I apologize for steppin' over the line. It comes off as tacky, unsophisticated, and it's just not G. I love hip-hop too much to further justify my selfish behavior."

QuietStorm
December 12th, 2011, 11:59 PM
Did you watch the video? It's bizarre. A lot of subliminals and a shit-eating grin with about 20 retakes, don't think it was a sincere apology at all.

QuietStorm
December 13th, 2011, 12:02 AM
J Cole retraction statement by Canibus DEC 11th 2011 - YouTube

He has gone full heel.

Fro
December 13th, 2011, 12:02 AM
I did watch the first part of it, and yeah, he seems bat shit crazy.

Stringer Bell
December 14th, 2011, 1:05 AM
That video is so bugged out. What's with him playing "Hey Young World" and burping in the camera for the first few minutes? He seems like he's on pills or something, does not look healthy...


These guys have the most hypnotic beats..

MondreMAN (of Main Attrakionz) - Surprise - YouTube

Fro
December 14th, 2011, 1:07 AM
I'm still waiting on The Dreamer, The Believer before posting my top 10 album list (it leaked today actually, but I think it's still only a webrip so I'm gonna wait)... but here's my top songs of the year mixtape (like Ringo did) that I'm gonna burn to a CD for the whip. Not in order of best to worst, just how I want it to play.

1. Bad Meets Evil - Fast Lane
2. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Who Gon Stop Me
3. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Murder to Excellence (need these two back-to-back)
4. Childish Gambino - Bonfire
5. Tyler the Creator - Yonkers
6. Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa - Young, Wild & Free
7. Common ft. Nas - Ghetto Dreams
8. Hopsin - Ill Mind of Hopsin 4
9. Royce da 5'9 ft Eminem - Writer's Block (DJ Premier Remix)
10. The Roots - Lighthouse
11. J. Cole - Rise and Shine
12. Game ft Kendrick Lamar - The City (definitely the best feature of the year)
13. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Gotta Have It
14. Nas - Nasty
15. Drake - Over My Dead Body (love this song for some reason)
16. Childish Gambino - You See Me
17. J. Cole - Lost Ones
18. Kendrick Lamar - HiiiPoWeR

Edit: Sorry for hopping in on you String. Funny timing.

Fro
December 14th, 2011, 9:30 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Common-the-dreamer-the-believer-cover.jpg

http://hulkshare.com/tmfd0tmc69z7

QuietStorm
December 14th, 2011, 11:31 PM
He has a track with Maya Angelou? What a try-hard he is.

RuneEdge
December 14th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Los Angeles breaks the record with Kanye and Jay performing Nggas in Paris 10 times Watch The Throne - YouTube
10 times...

G-Fresh
December 15th, 2011, 12:57 AM
That cover symbolizes that Common is actually a descendant of the Anunnaki.

Stringer Bell
December 15th, 2011, 1:37 AM
Skimmed through the Common in the car... album sounds good to me. No ID really killed the production, I wish he would put stuff out more often.

Ringo
December 15th, 2011, 7:56 AM
Isn't that a shitty rip of the Common? Going to wait until a good quality version comes available if so.

New Young Jeezy btw:

http://305hiphop.com/files/thug-motivation-103-jeezy-tm-hustlerz-ambition.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/?qq54cgdo22ge7qj

Fro
December 15th, 2011, 10:47 AM
No it's a group rip (CD quality)

Fro
December 15th, 2011, 10:47 AM
I wouldn't post anything less than the best of course.

(double post)

Ringo
December 16th, 2011, 3:21 PM
http://bisforcookieandapplebaums.bandcamp.com/album/give-me-my-flowers-while-i-can-smell-them

:hyper:

Production is fucking WIN.

Ringo
December 16th, 2011, 3:37 PM
I'm still waiting on The Dreamer, The Believer before posting my top 10 album list (it leaked today actually, but I think it's still only a webrip so I'm gonna wait)... but here's my top songs of the year mixtape (like Ringo did) that I'm gonna burn to a CD for the whip. Not in order of best to worst, just how I want it to play.

1. Bad Meets Evil - Fast Lane
2. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Who Gon Stop Me
3. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Murder to Excellence (need these two back-to-back)
4. Childish Gambino - Bonfire
5. Tyler the Creator - Yonkers
6. Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa - Young, Wild & Free
7. Common ft. Nas - Ghetto Dreams
8. Hopsin - Ill Mind of Hopsin 4
9. Royce da 5'9 ft Eminem - Writer's Block (DJ Premier Remix)
10. The Roots - Lighthouse
11. J. Cole - Rise and Shine
12. Game ft Kendrick Lamar - The City (definitely the best feature of the year)
13. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Gotta Have It
14. Nas - Nasty
15. Drake - Over My Dead Body (love this song for some reason)
16. Childish Gambino - You See Me
17. J. Cole - Lost Ones
18. Kendrick Lamar - HiiiPoWeR

Edit: Sorry for hopping in on you String. Funny timing.

Great stuff, for the most part :yes:

Out of interest, here are my 15 most listened to Hip-Hop songs of 2011, going by play count on iTunes:

1. Kendrick Lamar - HiiiPower
2. Tyler, The Creator - Yonkers
3. Kanye & Jay-Z - Murder To Excellence
4. Pharoahe Monch - Clap
5. Blu - Jesus
6. Nas - Nasty
7. Saigon - The Invitiation
8. The Roots - The OtherSide
9. J. Cole - Rise & Shine
10. Big K.R.I.T. - Time Machine

11. Curren$y - She Don't Want A Man
12. Raekwon - Masters Of Our Fate
13. Blue Scholars - Cinemetropolis
14. Danny Brown - Die Like A Rockstar
15. Drake - Marvins Room/Buried Alive
16. Talib Kweli - Cold Rain

There's a few of those which I don't think are even my favourite song off the album, but that's the way it worked out apparently!

Overall, I think it's been a decent year for Hip-Hop with plenty of enjoyable releases, but unlike previous years, I don't think there's been one full album I'd consider truly great. I have high hopes for next year though. And this Blu & Exile is a great way to start (because let's be honest, it's basically 2012 now).

Ringo
December 16th, 2011, 5:14 PM
http://www.pitchfork.com/news/44923-tsa-investigating-freddie-gibbs-claim-that-they-let-him-keep-his-weed/

!!!!!!

Gibbs is Great.

MikeHunt
December 16th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Marvins Room/Buried Alive has to be the best comercial hip hop track of the year, closely followed by otis.

Fro
December 18th, 2011, 1:51 AM
Marvins Room and Buried Alive are really two separate tracks, but yea, they're both great. That whole album is well done. I'd say it's easily Drake's best yet and also better than 808s & Heartbreak. The problem with Take Care tho is that it's too long. If he would have cut Crew Love, Practice and maybe one other cut, I think a lot more hip hop fans would have opened up to it.

For that R&B/rap style, it's a really tremendous album.

Stringer Bell
December 19th, 2011, 1:37 AM
Clearly Niggas In Paris is the song of the year. Is that even a question at this point?

That 50 Cent mixtape is no joke, I hate to sound cliche but it really sounds more like 2004-era 50 than any other stuff he has put out over the last few years. This song right here is too smooth, due in part to that Scoop DeVille beat..

50 Cent - Wait Until Tonight (Official Music Video) - YouTube

Stringer Bell
December 19th, 2011, 1:44 AM
HOLD ON! WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT BLU & EXILE RECORD COME FROM???

Fro
December 20th, 2011, 7:40 PM
Yeah I guess they just streamed it out of nowhere. It's supposed to be pretty low-quality, like unmixed and unmastered, yea? Anyway I just recently got onto Below the Heavens so I'm still digesting that one.

Danny Brown's take on A$AP, Tyler, Childish Gambino and Mac Miller. Pretty funny:


A$AP Rocky directed your last video, "Blunt After Blunt." How did you guys link up?
My manager’s cool with his people. They hang out like friends. They’re probably hanging out right now. I’m a lot older than the A$AP crew, so I’m like O.G. to them. They kind of respect me. And I respect them for being like that. You’ve got people like Tyler, The Creator who don’t respect O.G.’s. They’re my real friends. Whatever they need.

When will you hit the road with Childish Gambino?
It starts in March. I’m excited about it. I’m real humbled, honored to be in this situation. He’s like a TV star to me.

His album was pretty polarizing. How did you feel about it?
I listened to it. Hey, it’s better than Mac Miller’s. That’s my response. It’s better than Mac Miller’s. He’s the worst guy around. Don’t get me started. His album cover is like, 'Ugh, what is this?' He’s trying to be artistic, huh?

It is pretty abstract.
If I see him, I’m just going to have to apologize to him, like, 'Man, I just want to apologize for hating you so much. Because I’m not going to stop. You’re probably a cool guy. I don’t feel violent in any way, but I really hate you. I hate your music, man.' It’s just bad.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/danny-brown-plots-next-moves-calls-mac-miller-the-worst-guy-around-20111220

Ringo
December 20th, 2011, 7:42 PM
:D

Brown is such a hero.

QuietStorm
December 20th, 2011, 11:04 PM
So Common is going after Drake now? For what, not being black enough or Brooklyn enough? Common is such a lame.

Fro
December 20th, 2011, 11:49 PM
Disagree. People are so sensitive when rappers come anywhere close to beefing nowadays, when really that's a big part of the music's pastime and has typically resulted in a better product for the listener. I'm a fan of both these guys, and I'd absolutely love to see them go at it on wax. If Common was washed up I'd agree with you, but his new album is great, a return to Resurrection form with him and No I.D. teaming up again. Sweet is a good track. Yes Common is being the aggressor here, and I wholeheartedly approve. Hopefully Drake responds.

QuietStorm
December 21st, 2011, 12:32 AM
My favorite Common album was Electric Circus. Most people seem to hate that. But even then, it just all seems fake to me. I just don't buy the image he projects.

I haven't heard Drake's album and to be honest I probably won't, but having read about some of the business moves he has made lately.... it seems like the kid is starting to understand how to make things happen. I certainly would be pulling for him over Common in any sort of "battle" they may have.

Chris Dolmeth
December 21st, 2011, 12:54 AM
Common > Drake

QuietStorm
December 21st, 2011, 3:46 AM
Common's whole career has been a big slap and cry to audiences. Obviously a lot of people have bought in.

G-Fresh
December 21st, 2011, 5:34 AM
Common has turned into a total bitch. He's on the same level an the kid in the wheelchair.

QuietStorm
December 21st, 2011, 11:01 PM
At my wedding there will be a table with Redman +1, Killah Priest +1, Canibus +1, Planet Asia +1, Kurupt +1, & Bronze Nazareth +1. That will be known as the "Awesome Table".

M-Eighty's Facebook post. I'd like to imagine Canibus giving the best man speech, just ruining the whole night for everyone.

Stringer Bell
December 22nd, 2011, 2:52 AM
Danny Brown is my favorite rapper of the year. Every single thing he touched was gold. Be sure to check this shit out if you haven't, one of my favorite songs of the year..

The Big Pink-Stay Gold [araabMUZIK Remix ft. Danny Brown] - YouTube

Also, brand new tape from The Weeknd :D http://treesmoke.tumblr.com/post/14602251819/the-weeknd-echoes-of-silence-free-album-download


As for Common vs. Drake, it could be a quality battle if it takes place. I'd rather it not turn into an all out GOOD vs. Young Money thing though, maybe get Pusha involved (already seems to be throwing subtle shots at Drake lately), but I have no interest in hearing Tyga or Lil Twist trying to tell me Common is wack.

But, Drake vs. Common, let's do it. Drake has never been in this situation, if there was ever a time to prove himself, Common is the one to go up against...


I'll tell you another thing I like about this Common situation, after reading Fro's post calling him the aggressor. Yeah, he is, and I'm fine with that. When Common was coming up, putting out classics in the 90's, if something was wack, or if you didn't like it, and called it out as being wack, that was your prerogative. Wack shit was wack shit. You weren't labeled as being a hater like nowadays.

I'm not saying Drake is wack.. I like both guys. But fuck, if Common feels that way, then say it. Lash out. There's too many emcees that keep quiet nowadays and are afraid of offending anyone or getting labeled a hater. It's pussy. I'm not saying we need to go back to the early-mid 2000 pointless beefs no one cared about, but this is a good thing. Let's let it marinate.

Also LOVE Danny Brown calling out Mac Miller in that Rolling Stone interview. I've thought the same thing for the longest time. Cannot stand the guy.

Fro
December 22nd, 2011, 10:15 AM
I'll tell you another thing I like about this Common situation, after reading Fro's post calling him the aggressor. Yeah, he is, and I'm fine with that. When Common was coming up, putting out classics in the 90's, if something was wack, or if you didn't like it, and called it out as being wack, that was your prerogative. Wack shit was wack shit. You weren't labeled as being a hater like nowadays.

I'm not saying Drake is wack.. I like both guys. But fuck, if Common feels that way, then say it. Lash out. There's too many emcees that keep quiet nowadays and are afraid of offending anyone or getting labeled a hater. It's pussy. I'm not saying we need to go back to the early-mid 2000 pointless beefs no one cared about, but this is a good thing. Let's let it marinate.


Agreed, and it's very similar to what Common did in '94 with I Used to love H.E.R. in criticizing the current trend of hip hop.

Ringo
December 22nd, 2011, 10:16 AM
Not to mention the whole Ice Cube feud.

Fro
December 22nd, 2011, 10:20 AM
Right, which I believe was started when WSC took offense to that song despite it not calling them out directly, which only furthers the similarity to this current situation.

Winkle van Tinkle
December 22nd, 2011, 5:10 PM
Lets not even kid ourselves..

Drake has been talking tough for over a year. Not necessarily at Common but its one thing to make all that panty dropping music for the ladies but when you come outside your lane and start talking about how other MC's should respect you or talking about killing everyone in rap last year, catching bodies on some rap shit etc etc, someone is going to step up and answer.

However, saying that, Battle rap is dead, it's now 'Promo Beef'. Which is lame.

Common can't kill Drake's career. Most of Drake's fans don't even know who he is.

The rap fans who actually care about skills and disses don't have any real power. Common could destroy Drake on a diss. But Drake could ignore it and still go platinum on the next album.

Drake's career isnt based on skills or rap pedigree. Common's is....and poor Common only did 55k in the first week.

in other news, here, have The Weeknd's new mixtape. I'm loving the first song (a cover of a Michael Jackson song) :heart:


The Weeknd @theweekndxo
http://hulkshare.com/wyqfsf4ovgiz/ZpO3e2dAqv0p.zip #echoesofsilence Aaaaaaand finally...

'Ni**as in Paris': The Definitive Breakdown

34: Concert dates.
2.5 hours: Estimated running time of each WTT concert.
85 hours: Total running time for 34 dates.
168: Total number of times "Ni**as in Paris" played in concert.
11: In Vancouver (12/17)
10: Los Angeles (12/14)
9: Chicago (12/1); Los Angeles (12/13)
2: Atlanta (10/28)
0: Paris
4.94: Average number of times "Paris" played, per night.
18: Minutes, on average, per date.
40:25: Running time, in minutes, of "Paris" in Vancouver, after being played 11 times.
613.2: Total live running time, in minutes.
194: Running time, in minutes, of the movie Titanic.
705: Running time, in minutes, of Band of Brothers miniseries.
26.7: Full House episodes one could watch, in that time.
2: Seconds of "married Kate and Ashley" per "Paris."
5:36: Minutes total, as performed on tour.
93: Running time of Blades of Glory, in minutes.
10: Seconds of dialogue from Blades of Glory, on the CD version of the song.
28: Total number of minutes of Blades of Glory dialogue, when played 168 times.
134: Total times Jay-Z said, "Again!"
1,680: "Don't let me get in my zone"-s.
2,856: "Ball so hard"-s.
0: New Jersey Nets' regular-season games so far this year.
2,184: "CRAY"-s.
652,200: Estimated number of Watch the Throne tour tickets sold.
298.6: Ticketholders per "CRAY."
3:39: Length, in minutes, of studio recording.
2,150: Cost, in euros, of a night in the Deluxe Suite at the Hôtel Meurice in Paris, where "Ni**as in Paris" was recorded.
1,144,000: Copies of Watch the Throne sold, as of December 11th.
1: Business card thrown to get kicked out of a Watch the Throne show.
$50,ooo: Amount Jay-Z had to pay for visiting the Kentucky Wildcats' locker room.
$99.50: That fine, per "mothafuckers wanna fine me" performed.
$1,463.00: Price of a Margiela leather jacket, currently 30 percent off at Neiman Marcus.
$3.50: Cost of a Filet-o-Fish at McDonald's.
$3,305.00: Secondary-market value for a floor seat to WTT's opening night in Atlanta (10/28).
944: Filet-o-Fish's that could buy.
358,828: Calories in 944 Filet-o-Fish's.
10.22: Total running time of "Ni**as in Paris," in hours.
8.3: Flight from Chicago to Paris, non-stop, in hours.
8.5: Flight from Paris to New York, non-stop, in hours.
6: Live coverage of Prince William and Kate Middleton's wedding proceedings, start to finish, in hours.

…WHICH IS:
2: Round-trips from London to Paris, via high-speed train.
23.5: Loops around Paris, via Boulevard Périphérique, at the legal speed limit of 80km/h (50mph).
6.5: Screenings of Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris (2011).

UncannyIowan
December 22nd, 2011, 5:14 PM
I guess I never thought I'd hear folks say Common was lame compared to some Degrassi High "thanks record label for putting every top pop artist on my debut album" Drake......

Is this going to be like Nelly v. KRS-One where everyone knows what KRS-One is saying is true and all the Nelly supporters can say is "who made more money?" Like $$$ means shit when comparing skill level in music. 99% of mainstream rap music sounds like Puff Daddy and Mase shit it out and Lil Jon and his synth keys jizzed on the rest.

G-Fresh
December 22nd, 2011, 5:16 PM
Mainstream rap has sucked since the mid 90s.

Winkle van Tinkle
December 22nd, 2011, 6:13 PM
much like the whole of psychopathic.

G-Fresh
December 22nd, 2011, 6:58 PM
Nah. Psychopathic is an underground juggernaut. Them, Subnoize, & Strange are the only labels that matter.

Winkle van Tinkle
December 22nd, 2011, 7:51 PM
Not at all, Twiztid have got worse (compare mostasteless to Mutant or H&H, thats without going back even further to HOK), ICP have gradually got worse (and are only underground despite J's best efforts to try and take them mainstream), guys like Jumpsteady only have albums because of their relationships, ABK never sold, not due to him being underground, moreso he was a red indian with a lisp who couldn't rap, Blaze has tried everything from a gimmick, to being himself, to trying to re-establish west coast mid 90's gangster rap and failed everytime), Boondox..need i say more, Zug Izland :lol: ).

They have gone so far beyond about being about music, and instead try to cover themselves with the "family" bullshit to paper over it. And Shaggy, he just doesn't give a shit anymore, and puts no effort into anything he writes. Who can blame them though, they're rich, have a legion of fans who'll buy any shit thats put out, and they know they'll never make it bigger than what they currently are.

Take it from someone who first heard them in the Ringmaster days, and has about $2k's worth of old merchandise that I can't be bothered to sell.

Fro
December 22nd, 2011, 8:12 PM
Lets not even kid ourselves..

Drake has been talking tough for over a year. Not necessarily at Common but its one thing to make all that panty dropping music for the ladies but when you come outside your lane and start talking about how other MC's should respect you or talking about killing everyone in rap last year, catching bodies on some rap shit etc etc, someone is going to step up and answer.

However, saying that, Battle rap is dead, it's now 'Promo Beef'. Which is lame.

Common can't kill Drake's career. Most of Drake's fans don't even know who he is.

The rap fans who actually care about skills and disses don't have any real power. Common could destroy Drake on a diss. But Drake could ignore it and still go platinum on the next album.

Drake's career isnt based on skills or rap pedigree. Common's is....and poor Common only did 55k in the first week.

All true. But so what if Common can't make anything more than a tiny dent in the huge sales Drake's definitely going to have for the foreseeable future, he could still win the battle and hurt Drake's image among real rap fans and make the kid watch his mouth when he talks that type of shit you mentioned. It'd still be worth while.

That said, I think Drake is skilled enough to put out some decent battle tracks and would probably hold his own somewhat even though it's new territory for him. And if Wayne joined in they could actually end up on top and they'd just get even more popular.

Chris Dolmeth
December 22nd, 2011, 8:19 PM
Drake is used to being on top when he's with Lil Wayne.

QuietStorm
December 23rd, 2011, 5:16 AM
Mac Lethal "Jake + Olive" [from Irish Goodbye] - YouTube

Bert
December 23rd, 2011, 6:07 AM
Hmm, not heard much from Mac Lethal besides that Look at Me Now track and now this one.

EDIT: Apparently the album comes out New Year's Eve. Ok, I'll check it out.

BBF
December 23rd, 2011, 7:55 AM
the Weeknds version of Dirty Diana is the boomdiggy.

G-Fresh
December 23rd, 2011, 8:29 AM
Not at all, Twiztid have got worse (compare mostasteless to Mutant or H&H, thats without going back even further to HOK), ICP have gradually got worse (and are only underground despite J's best efforts to try and take them mainstream), guys like Jumpsteady only have albums because of their relationships, ABK never sold, not due to him being underground, moreso he was a red indian with a lisp who couldn't rap, Blaze has tried everything from a gimmick, to being himself, to trying to re-establish west coast mid 90's gangster rap and failed everytime), Boondox..need i say more, Zug Izland :lol: ).

They have gone so far beyond about being about music, and instead try to cover themselves with the "family" bullshit to paper over it. And Shaggy, he just doesn't give a shit anymore, and puts no effort into anything he writes. Who can blame them though, they're rich, have a legion of fans who'll buy any shit thats put out, and they know they'll never make it bigger than what they currently are.

Take it from someone who first heard them in the Ringmaster days, and has about $2k's worth of old merchandise that I can't be bothered to sell.

Heartbroken & Homicidal is the only album that was a letdown from Twiztid. TotS & BPB for ICP. Blaze is a millionaire so he is doing something right. Mike P fucked shit up for Zug and I could care less about ABK and Boondox. I've spent well over $2000 just on CDs. I own every CD that Psy has released sealed except for V-Sinizter's Hunting Season, and over $5000 in DVDs and clothing.

Botton line is ICP can put out whatever thay want and they will still sell 30k-50k units the first week and that doesn't include sales from HG. Psy makes enough on merch that they don't really need to release new music anyway.

I'd still rather listen to Psy, Subnoize, & Strange than any of the commercial shit that's popular today.

Stringer Bell
December 26th, 2011, 12:18 PM
I tell her meet me in the bathroom, I fuck her while the water runnin', her friend knockin' at the door, and she screamin' out I'm cummin!!!!!

Stringer Bell
December 26th, 2011, 11:54 PM
Brand new eXquire. I love when shit drops out of nowhere.

http://www.juiceswag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/merryexmas.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/?5d6arr2kace4gaj

Bert
December 27th, 2011, 2:45 AM
e-dubble - Changed My Mind (Single) - YouTube


This is good shit.

UncannyIowan
December 28th, 2011, 5:31 PM
Heartbroken & Homicidal is the only album that was a letdown from Twiztid. TotS & BPB for ICP. Blaze is a millionaire so he is doing something right. Mike P fucked shit up for Zug and I could care less about ABK and Boondox. I've spent well over $2000 just on CDs. I own every CD that Psy has released sealed except for V-Sinizter's Hunting Season, and over $5000 in DVDs and clothing.

Botton line is ICP can put out whatever thay want and they will still sell 30k-50k units the first week and that doesn't include sales from HG. Psy makes enough on merch that they don't really need to release new music anyway.

I'd still rather listen to Psy, Subnoize, & Strange than any of the commercial shit that's popular today.

They would outsell any mainstream rapper on the radio today for one reason: If the mainstream rapper didn't put out what the mainstream label wanted there'd be no video, radio single, and no album. Like Violent J said, if Busta Rhymes new video doesn't get any rotation he's done, which is sad. You look @ ICP, and while their music's "fresh level" alters depending on the age of the fan (I used to live in Detroit, a lot of people back in 1998/1999 thought ICP sucked after Ringmaster...go figure).

Not trying to say I'm a juggalo or anything but the fact is they (Psychopathic) do more on the underground than a mainstream artist could do with the tools ICP and co. are able to use. Hell if it wasn't for ICP, Twiztid, Esham, you most def wouldn't be seeing Eminem or Tech N9ne at the level they are. I'd be fuckin blown away if Tech N9ne's fanbase was less than 85% juggalo.

I'd rather listen to Shaggy 2 Dope and his off beat flow than Drake, Lil Wayne, Nicky Minaj, and any other "rapper" that gets an award for soundin like a robo-twat.

Fro
December 28th, 2011, 5:48 PM
To your point about Busta, who cares about music video rotation these days? I don't even know what channel to see them on.. MTV Jams? Videos are all about YouTube views nowadays, and you don't need a label to accomplish that (see: Yonkers)

G-Fresh
December 28th, 2011, 6:17 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Busta end up on the Hatchet eventually. J loves signing his favorite artists just like Tech and daddy X do. Big Hutch from Above The Law just signed with Psy and there is talk that Willie D is close to inking a deal too. I think it's cool that Psy, Subnoize, and Strange give guys like Lynch one last chance to be famous.

UncannyIowan
December 28th, 2011, 6:29 PM
To your point about Busta, who cares about music video rotation these days? I don't even know what channel to see them on.. MTV Jams? Videos are all about YouTube views nowadays, and you don't need a label to accomplish that (see: Yonkers)

It wasn't meant to be literally broken down, but the reality is when Violent J made those comments about Busta Rhymes this was probably 2005-2006 and again wasn't meant to really be taken literal. Plus you're only focusing on that one piece of the post, I was comparing how the freedom that ICP has to do what they want surpasses anything the mainstream could offer and their bank accounts prove it.

The irony is ICP was never really MAINSTREAM. They had minimal rotation on MTV and MTV2, and while pro wrestling was hot as fuck and Woodstock was cool, I wouldn't put them in the same category as Kid Rock and Eminem. These mugs are smart, they took the concept of what makes a pro wrestling company work and used that to build a multi-million dollar company that has no radio play, no mainstream media coverage whatsoever. You have to respect that and not even Youtube could make you as much money as ICP.

Justin Bieber and Kreayshawn are a prime example of Youtube HELPING you get that money, but it won't MAKE you money.

G-Fresh
December 28th, 2011, 6:39 PM
I support Kreayshawn & the White Girl Mob just because they piss so many people off. Faggot boy Yelawolf needs to keep his fuckin trap shut talkin about V-Nasty cause he sucks just as bad. Fuckin Haystak biter.

UncannyIowan
December 28th, 2011, 6:44 PM
I support Kreayshawn & the White Girl Mob just because they piss so many people off. Faggot boy Yelawolf needs to keep his fuckin trap shut talkin about V-Nasty cause he sucks just as bad. Fuckin Haystak biter.

Everyone you just mentioned sucks. Kreayshawn the Rush-Shawn and her 2 person mob (they lost a member due to the redundant comparisons to Madonna bitches always make), Yelawolf and his southern Eminem sound, Haystacks and his typical fat white guy Bullet from Bellevue, WA attire-bitin ass rappers.

Right now if you're not Odd Future, Cage, Blueprint, Twiztid, or Outkast's ATLiens album, you might as well leave me alone lol.

G-Fresh
December 28th, 2011, 7:00 PM
Don't get me wrong. I don't listen to them bitches. I give them props for being able to piss so many people off for no real reason. V-Nasty says nigga. Fuckin cry about it.

Fro
December 28th, 2011, 8:14 PM
It wasn't meant to be literally broken down, but the reality is when Violent J made those comments about Busta Rhymes this was probably 2005-2006 and again wasn't meant to really be taken literal. Plus you're only focusing on that one piece of the post, I was comparing how the freedom that ICP has to do what they want surpasses anything the mainstream could offer and their bank accounts prove it.

The irony is ICP was never really MAINSTREAM. They had minimal rotation on MTV and MTV2, and while pro wrestling was hot as fuck and Woodstock was cool, I wouldn't put them in the same category as Kid Rock and Eminem. These mugs are smart, they took the concept of what makes a pro wrestling company work and used that to build a multi-million dollar company that has no radio play, no mainstream media coverage whatsoever. You have to respect that and not even Youtube could make you as much money as ICP.

Justin Bieber and Kreayshawn are a prime example of Youtube HELPING you get that money, but it won't MAKE you money.

Yeah I had no idea he said that 6 years ago- it would make sense back then. Anyway I do respect what ICP has done with their indy label and how they built their fanbase, even though I think the music is awful.

G-Fresh
December 28th, 2011, 8:28 PM
Anyway I do respect what ICP has done with their indy label and how they built their fanbase, even though I think the music is awful.

And that's cool, bro. I could care less what people listen to as long as I don't have to listen to it too. I have told people to pull over at the side of the road and let me out of their car because I would rather walk than listen to Eminem. Good thing most of my friends listen to the same stuff that I do.

Fro
December 28th, 2011, 8:41 PM
Bit of an overreaction I'd say. And it seems like you guys care more about what people listen to than anyone in this thread. MAINSTREAM ARGH

G-Fresh
December 28th, 2011, 8:51 PM
I fight the good fight against commercial music.

QuietStorm
December 29th, 2011, 3:59 AM
All this talk reminds me of this awesome track....

Blueprint - Radio-Inactive - YouTube

UncannyIowan
December 29th, 2011, 2:53 PM
Dude I've been listening to that RJD2/Blueprint album a lot lately. Good shit.

@Fro-I don't really care what anyone listens to and didn't make any posts really talking about it other than when someone put Drake above Common, which did make me question certain intellect.

G-Fresh
December 29th, 2011, 3:06 PM
I dig me some RJD2.

UncannyIowan
December 29th, 2011, 4:32 PM
Kind of off the topic we're on but Rhymesayers related.

Eyedea, HBO's Blaze Battle, 2 things I remember: 1-Thinking he won simply because Eminem had just blown up in the mainstream and looked eerily simliar to Eminem 2-Thinking how is the dude going to walk away unscathed by calling every black dude "black" that he was battling against.....

G-Fresh
December 29th, 2011, 6:53 PM
V-Ice is the shit

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/MrDiamondFDC/V-Ice32.jpg

MikeHunt
December 29th, 2011, 6:58 PM
so much the shit he is in panto in kent.