Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[JRSlim21]

That video is overrated. The parodies are better than the real thing

[RuneEdge]

She's a new artist that just won one of her first ever awards. It was supposed to be a big thing for her.

[Morrison]

She's a new artist that just won one of her first ever awards. It was supposed to be a big thing for her.

she's been winning awards for a couple years now. this was just her first year of MTV attention.

[TapOut]

Been rocking Q-Tip's "Kamaal The Abstract" the last few hours. Fucking AWESOME album. Strings, keys... what he does best with beats. I've been listening to a lot of Ummah mixes lately, so I was really ready for this one.

Do You Dig U and Make It Work are my favs thus far, but the whole album is great stuff.

[Pete Cash]

Kanye rules.

[Morrison]

Been rocking Q-Tip's "Kamaal The Abstract" the last few hours. Fucking AWESOME album. Strings, keys... what he does best with beats. I've been listening to a lot of Ummah mixes lately, so I was really ready for this one.

Do You Dig U and Make It Work are my favs thus far, but the whole album is great stuff.

i haven't kept up on the news with kamaal the abstract's actual release. i've had the bootleg for a few years and loved it. i wonder if it's gone through any significant changes.

[Fro]

if it's just a VMA, than what's the problem that he interrupted her?

Seriously?

It's just a VMA so why the fuck would he care who wins, especially in a category he wasn't even nominated in/eligible for, except that he's a prick who didn't want to see a white girl win over Beyonce (btw I think Beyonce went on to win Video of the Year).

Now that doesn't means it's not a big deal for the 19-year old girl who was in front of countless celebrities and on national television giving her acceptance speech and got interrupted by an uber famous musical icon saying "you didn't deserve to win this, Beyonce did."

Do you really not see that?

Kanye's haircut was baller though.

[Adamy]

if it's just a VMA, than what's the problem that he interrupted her?

It was rather discourteous.

[Morrison]

Seriously?

It's just a VMA so why the fuck would he care who wins, especially in a category he wasn't even nominated in/eligible for, except that he's a prick who didn't want to see a white girl win over Beyonce (btw I think Beyonce went on to win Video of the Year).

Now that doesn't means it's not a big deal for the 19-year old girl who was in front of countless celebrities and on national television giving her acceptance speech and got interrupted by an uber famous musical icon saying "you didn't deserve to win this, Beyonce did."

Do you really not see that?

Kanye's haircut was baller though.

he didn't say she didn't deserve it, even said he was happy for her win, just acted like a horned up male and claimed that beyonce's huge thighs made one of the best videos of all time. it was rude, but what he actually said really wasn't that insulting.

It was rather discourteous.
i never said it wasn't.

[Fro]

Of course it was insulting. While he didn't literally say she didn't deserve it, he said Beyonce's video was better. The key word was "I'm happy for you BUT..."

I mean it's not like Kanye being a douche is news, this is his MO.

[Morrison]

that's where we differ, i don't find it insulting at all, because i'm almost positive he wasn't going up there to shit on fucking taylor swift and really claiming that 'single ladies' is one of the best videos ever.

[Adamy]

i never said it wasn't.

:nono:

If you agree that it's discourteous, why would you feel compelled to ask what was the problem with his actions?

[Morrison]

:nono:

If you agree that it's discourteous, why would you feel compelled to ask what was the problem with his actions?

because i don't live in a dream world where everything and everybody has to be polite. interrupting her stupid speech may of been a bit rude, but i do not believe his intentions were to put her down and belittle her work, so i really see no problem with his drunken antics.

[Adamy]

because i don't live in a dream world where everything and everybody has to be polite. interrupting her stupid speech may of been a bit rude, but i do not believe his intentions were to put her down and belittle her work, so i really see no problem with his drunken antics.

:nono:

You acknowledge that he was rude; the problem is that he was rude without provocation. Are you trying to play devil's advocate and just failing miserably, or do you routinely need the obvious spelled out for you?

[Morrison]

:nono:

You acknowledge that he was rude; the problem is that he was rude without provocation. Are you trying to play devil's advocate and just failing miserably, or do you routinely need the obvious spelled out for you?

:rolleyes:

i don't care if it was without provocation. people can do rude things without being provoked while still not intending for those actions to be malicious. he was attempting to make things into a spectacle but unfortunately did it at the expense of someone too meek. i'm not going to call him an asshole because of it and i'm not going to look at the event as problematic, especially when he's already apologized for unintentionally upsetting her.

[TapOut]

He may not have meant to upset her, but I don't know how else he'd think she'd feel with him jumping onstage and ripping the mic out of her hand.

[Pete Cash]

Oh come on

Ye is hilarious. His arrogance brings a smile to my face every day. It is like a parody of an arrogant musician.

[Fro]

In fairness while I haven't seen Taylor Swift's video I'm quite sure Beyonce's is better.

[son_of_foley]

Could someone re-up the Cudi. Loving his mixtapes so am waiting for this album in a big way

[Billmatic]

Cudi: http://www.mediafire.com/?mmln0yn4hi2 - there you go.

Don't expect anything resembling the mixtapes though. I wouldn't even categorize it as hip-hop, but its still awesome. I'm biased since he's from 20 minutes away from me, but it's an AOTY contender for me.

And how can anybody seriously be pissed at Kanye over this? MTV has always promoted the VMAs as a circus. People have said "Oh, Kanye!" everytime he pulls a crazy stunt like that (Justice?) not to mention the entire incident has helped Taylor Swift's career more than the award ever could've (and this was not anything close to her first big award) If I didn't know any better and just saw the Leno interview I would've thought he was a child pornographer or something.

I think the image of a scary black man with a tribal haircut and leather shirt scaring a lily-white American sweetheart-country singer has caused America to flip a shit, especially given the context of the climate that the country's been in.

and Obama's a bigger jackass than Kanye ever could be. Truth.

[JRSlim21]

No the image of someone who on more than 1 occasion has interrupted an award presentation is something that people are tired of. And I hear that from more black people than anyone else.



In fairness while I haven't seen Taylor Swift's video I'm quite sure Beyonce's is better.


Beyonce's video...

http://www.eguiders.com/img/exclusives/posters/Nagging.jpg

Boom. That's it. I don't think there's anything outstanding creatively about this. I'm a self-admitted Beyonce hater, but objectively, I don't see what's so epically awesome in a creative and visionary sense about Beyonce dancing. Is she hot? Yea. But just because you're hot doesn't mean the video was great. If we went by that scale, I'm pretty sure Entourage would be considered the best TV show in history and Transformers would be Oscar-nominated for best picture.

I haven't see the Taylor Swift video either (honestly don't care to cause I dont watch videos like I used to) but I'm pretty sure there was actual substance to it. Then again, the logical people at MTV voting gave Beyonce video of the year and Taylor female video of the year (wtf)

[Fro]

Yeah race really has nothing to do with it except for probably being Kanye's motivation. Tribal haircut? Come on that's like a $500 haircut.

I like Beyonce's video a lot tbh. Obviously the main draw is that it makes my cock tingly but it also has some cool 360 filming, good choreagraphy and fancy lighting/background changes. It's simple but executed extremely well. That said I also don't watch music videos anymore, probably only see 3-4 a year because they're almost all garbage.

[Miotch]

Cudi: http://www.mediafire.com/?mmln0yn4hi2 - there you go.

Don't expect anything resembling the mixtapes though. I wouldn't even categorize it as hip-hop, but its still awesome. I'm biased since he's from 20 minutes away from me, but it's an AOTY contender for me.

And how can anybody seriously be pissed at Kanye over this? MTV has always promoted the VMAs as a circus. People have said "Oh, Kanye!" everytime he pulls a crazy stunt like that (Justice?) not to mention the entire incident has helped Taylor Swift's career more than the award ever could've (and this was not anything close to her first big award) If I didn't know any better and just saw the Leno interview I would've thought he was a child pornographer or something.

I think the image of a scary black man with a tribal haircut and leather shirt scaring a lily-white American sweetheart-country singer has caused America to flip a shit, especially given the context of the climate that the country's been in.

and Obama's a bigger jackass than Kanye ever could be. Truth.

You're an idiot and so is Kanye.

[Beer-Belly]

Kanye is not a scary black man. He's probably 5'7 tops and dresses like a metro twat. Kimbo Slice, he is not.

Also, lets quit hiding behind the "America is racist" non-sense. Of course America has issues with race, but so does every other country. The only reason this comes up is because both sides of the political status quo in this country (and abroad) keep using this as a cheap way to malign their opposition. You've got Rush Limbaugh trying to incite a race war while Jimmy Carter calls Obama's detractors bigots. Obama isn't catching shit because he's black, but because he supports unpopular policies and nebulous legislation. Also, you know, he hasn't done a god damn thing while in office. Even my more liberal friends can attest to this.

If anyone really thinks that people are pissed because Kanye is black then they are either delusional or retarded. He's a self-aggrandizing jackass who just doesn't fucking get it. The guy should have fucked off after Late Registration.

[RuneEdge]

I thought it was obvious that Kanye kisses the asses of everyone on Jay-Z's camp. I doubt he actually thought Beyonce's video was anything special.

[Billmatic]

Kanye is not a scary black man. He's probably 5'7 tops and dresses like a metro twat. Kimbo Slice, he is not.

Also, lets quit hiding behind the "America is racist" non-sense. Of course America has issues with race, but so does every other country. The only reason this comes up is because both sides of the political status quo in this country (and abroad) keep using this as a cheap way to malign their opposition. You've got Rush Limbaugh trying to incite a race war while Jimmy Carter calls Obama's detractors bigots. Obama isn't catching shit because he's black, but because he supports unpopular policies and nebulous legislation. Also, you know, he hasn't done a god damn thing while in office. Even my more liberal friends can attest to this.


Are you really comparing whats coming from the left to whats coming from the right in terms of race? Really? I'm one of those liberals who thinks Obama's been pretty (very) lousy, but seriously? Are you denying that there's been an explosion of racial animosity towards blacks in general from white folks on the right? Are you denying that the right is willing to embrace racism to oppose Obama or at the very least not oppose or distance themselves from it? Please. It's not coming from the Democrats. They're screwing things up on a massive scale on a daily basis, but come on. And if it is purely about his policies, why do the tea partiers not have a clue what Obama's actual policies are?

[Miotch]

I think he was simply saying that this whole Kanye thing has nothing to do with race.

[Billmatic]

From certain sectors, sure it does. And he was trying to make a case defending retarded right wingers by saying the left is doing the same thing, which is false.

I'm not saying anybody who was offended by it or thinks Kanye is a dick is a racist, but this is moving along a current of racist rhetoric hat is flowing through this country. Michael Eric Dyson talks about racial imagery and the reactions, both conscious and subconscious, it provokes and this is another in a long line. Granted, it's mostly coming from the same places that the other bullshit is coming from, but the reaction is astounding. Boycotts? Seriously?

[Miotch]

Hey here's a thought. If you want to talk about politics and racism why not do it in the OT instead of hijacking the gd hip hop thread.

This had nothing to do with racism except, as already stated, in Kanye's mind.

[Pete Cash]

Kanye is not a scary black man. He's probably 5'7 tops and dresses like a metro twat. Kimbo Slice, he is not.

Also, lets quit hiding behind the "America is racist" non-sense. Of course America has issues with race, but so does every other country. The only reason this comes up is because both sides of the political status quo in this country (and abroad) keep using this as a cheap way to malign their opposition. You've got Rush Limbaugh trying to incite a race war while Jimmy Carter calls Obama's detractors bigots. Obama isn't catching shit because he's black, but because he supports unpopular policies and nebulous legislation. Also, you know, he hasn't done a god damn thing while in office. Even my more liberal friends can attest to this.

If anyone really thinks that people are pissed because Kanye is black then they are either delusional or retarded. He's a self-aggrandizing jackass who just doesn't fucking get it. The guy should have fucked off after Late Registration.

:lol:

You are such a buffoon.

His opposition from the right is in part racist. Everybody can see that.

[Pete Cash]

Kanye rules, it made me laugh, its a fucking MTV award show. The comedy overrules the "rudeness" of it.

Maybe if someone did that at the Oscars or something it may be different but this is at best a muckaround award show anyway. Kanye's antics are brilliant.

[Beer-Belly]

In what way were his actions brilliant? If he's just playing a character and trying to get publicity for Beyonce and Taylor Swift at his own expense, then that would actually be really clever, but that's probably not the case. Both women's reactions looked far too authentic for this to be a ruse.

[Pete Cash]

I never said it was a ruse. I said Kanye makes me laugh and thus his antics are brilliant.

[son_of_foley]

Cheers for the re-up Billmatic.

I like Cudi and his stuff. It's different and that's awesome that he's brave enough to start out like this.

[Billmatic]

Yeah, I'm really digging the album. There are some laughably shitty lines, but the originally overrides that IMO, plus I love seeing a legit hip-hop/psychedelia crossover that works outside of Outkast.

[Deka]

Cudi's album is too out there for me. Alot of stoner tunes for sure.

[Anaconda Sniper]

Yeah just to throw it out there..I really don't listen to hip hop but I can't stop listening to Cudi. It is amazing...this is the kind of hip hop I've been wanting to hear..if theres any other artists similar to this style let me know.

[Bert]

The closest I know of is probably Wale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbNyqtl99R0

Well they sound similar to me at least...

[Billmatic]

Well, what do you like about it?

Wale's pretty good if you want a progressive rapper who can write catchy-as-hell and flows abstractly. If you like the crossover aspect, "The Love Below" by Andre and "808s and Heartbreak" by Kanye are sorta similar-ish (Cudi ghostwrote a lot of 808s apparently). "So Far Gone" by Drake is over-hyped beyond belief, but still pretty solid and he's compared to Cudi because they're both new.

[JRSlim21]

Wale's Mixtape About Nothing is about a year and 1/2 old and I'm still playing that. For those that don't know, it's a tribute to his favorite TV show: Seinfeld (even has a cameo from Elaine).

[Billmatic]

If you haven't, grab all Wale's mixtapes. They're all great.

Paint A Picture (2005)- http://www.mediafire.com/?ywmvnogjqwt
Hate Is The New Love (2006) - http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rzjx2jdjm0t
100 Miles And Running - (2007) http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dmira4gtydn
Mixtape About Nothing (2008) - http://www.mediafire.com/?koitgzgzkzi
Back To The Feature (2009) - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TLCAGGQ9

(didn't upload these, btw)

[Pete Cash]

The Mixtape about Nothing and 100 Miles and Running are absolutely smoking hot. Get those immediately. The song Work blows me away.

[Anaconda Sniper]

Alright I'm going to check out Wale now. Thanks for the help! And its just the progressive sound I'm digging about it really good stuff.


EDIT: Just got The mixtape about nothing loving it thanks a lot guys!

[Pete Cash]

I don't LOVE the start of the album but from The Perfect Plan on it is godly.

Although there are a few great lines on his freestyle over the top of Roc boys.

[JRSlim21]

"Ya'll rap dudes rap like you read up the Source. Wale raps like he reads a thesaurus."

I liked the Perfect Plan, The Grown Up, and the Roc Boys freestyle.

[Fro]

Paint a Picture is the only one I don't have. As good as the rest?

[son_of_foley]

Not loving the Cudi album yet.

Gotta pick up Q-Tip, Jay and Dizzee today. YUS

[Fro]

I went on a Lil Wayne listening spree today at work. Tha Carter III is pretty good, a nice pop rap album, but Tha Carter (1) is by far superior and definitely his best stuff imo. Weezy over Mannie Fresh production is where it's at.

Also, this leaked:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Ghostdini_Wizard_of_Poetry.jpg

http://rapidshare.com/files/283110394/Ghostface_Killah_-_Ghostdini_Wizard_Of_Poetry_In_Emerald_City__2009_ .rar

[JRSlim21]

Yea. Gonna give it a listen after ECW. Back Like That Remix is a bonus track for absolutely no reason apparently.

[Adamy]

http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2009/09/9-rappers-desperately-in-need-of-a-name-change

This article cracked my shit up. Ball Greezy :lol:

[Fro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lXgRo0Znc

I haven't been able to find the crisp version of this but it's dope.

[Bert]

This sounds better, unless its just me. :$
http://www.zshare.net/audio/603983872754665b/

[RuneEdge]

I thought I posted that a while ago, not sure though. It was with Tim Westwood and he did two other freestyles over some Alchemist beats and the Respect My Conglomerate beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQMBGBNaBG4
The one you guys posted was also sampled for the hook for the Freeway track above.

EDIT
Shit, the hook's a lot catchier than I originally thought.

[Fro]

Interesting read regarding Ghostface's suit against RZA:


Last week, AllHipHop.com reported that Ghostface Killah had won a legal judgment against the RZA’s Wu-Tang Productions for over $158,000 in unpaid royalties. The dispute centered around Ghost’s claim that royalties from the Wu’s early albums should have been divided as a “promotional share” amongst group members, instead of the 50% split given to the producer (The RZA). Dogged by similar lawsuits over the decade by other Wu members, the RZA reached out to not only set the record straight from his side, but to also enlist the opinion of you, the AllHipHop readers, on this combustible issue. Whose stance do you side with? Hear out the Abbott and decide.

The case between Ghost and RZA is not closed yet. The judgment has not been entered yet, and we are appealing the case. I’m not appealing because I don’t want to pay Ghost something that I owe him. Anything I owe him I would give him. He wouldn’t have to go through the courts to get it from me.

An example is on Cuban Linx I didn’t charge no money on Raekwon for that. The last beats I did for Ghost was “Run” and some other sh*t, and it was the same thing. I waived payments for later. They haven’t paid me for those. So it’s not about me getting money. But he’s with a group of people who to me have a misunderstanding of Hip-Hop and contracts.

I have a legal contract with Wu-Tang Productions, matter of fact all of us do for 50% of what we get. We all signed that. We signed that years ago and maybe Ghost feels differently now, and I can respect that. But when it comes to the beats of Hip-Hop, how it carries on to this day is that the producer gets 50% of the composition, and the lyricist, no matter how many, gets the other 50%. So for them to say that’s wrong, and the producer shouldn’t get 50%, that means every producer is this industry can now have a potential claim against them from an artist. Remember, we don’t sign contracts in studios. So when Erick Sermon produced on The Blackout, he got 50%. When Megahertz produced “We Pop” for me, it’s me and four other rappers. Megahertz got 50%, and me and the other rappers had to split the rest of it.

Now if there’s an unknown producer that I’m using and I’m trying to break him in, I may lower his cut if I got Meth and GZA on there. Like “yo, you’ll have to fall back on some of that s**tbecause we’re going to ship 500,000 units and that’s where you’ll make money.” Those types of cases I could see it being different. But 90% of the cases in the game the producer gets 50% and the lyricist gets 50%. And on Ghost’s new album it’s going to be the same case. So for me to be in court and the argument is my split is wrong and has been over the years [is crazy]. They added up the years and said “if you would have given him the portion due it would be $158,000.”

They’ve made millions based on my beats and bringing forth the reality of the Wu-Tang Clan. If I wasn’t the producer and it was just a contract thing, maybe I’d feel more compassion. But trust me, when it comes to doing these records, I’m in the studio hundreds of days where they’re here for 20-30 days. I’m in mastering, everywhere. The beat is made before you even get to the studio 80% of the time. The beats are made on my own time then brought to the studio, tracked down with me and the engineer, and then you’re brought in to do your 16 bars. [laughs] Then I EQ your shit! When you look at all those albums it don’t just say “Produced by the RZA.” It says “Produced and Arranged by the RZA.” Some people thought I was lying when I said that. I work the boards; I’m a genius at all that shit.

Ghost made a deal with someone who thought they should get more from him than what they’ve got. So they’re trying to infringe on the Wu-Tang brand. Ghost’s catalogue is his catalogue, and now they want to try to get into our catalogue. They’re trying through him. So because these n***as are telling you “yo, you should’ve gotten this,” you’re going to listen to them after all the years we’ve been together? That’s improper.

I’m only appealing it ain’t right for no producer in our business to have to potentially go through this. It’s been like this for over 100 years where the producer gets 50%.Now with some rock songs it’s 33%. One person will get it for the basic harmony, one person will get it for the melody line, and one for the lyrics. because in those days a songwriter could write a song like “Memories” and he’ll write but not the music to it. Then he’ll get it to another guy who makes the melody line, and then he’ll give it someone who comes with the harmonies. Hip-Hop don’t work like that. It’s just the beat and a rap.

I’d like to get the opinion of your readers. If the RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan produced all the beats and taken 50% for beat production, do you think it’s fair that the producer get 50%? If you don’t think it’s fair and you agree with Ghost, do you think all producers who work with Ghost outside of Wu-Tang should get 50%? That’s basically the argument here. Every producer outside of the RZA that’s worked with him has gotten 50%. The only one being challenged here is me. I’m not being challenged because I didn’t do the work. I’m being challenged because I get pressure on somebody coming at him trying to get into my business. Ghost knows this as actual fact that all he do is throw his rhymes in.

Like I said to Ghost I can name 2 songs out of everything we did that he can say was his idea. And even when he came with the idea, I had to make it happen. “All I Got Is You,” you loved that song and always wanted to sample it. I sampled and looped it together, and I got Mary to come in for the hook. I did everything a producer would do. And the second song was the one from that movie, uh-oh-ah! [Writer’s Note: Vocal sample from “Cornbread, Earl, and Me” used to create Ironman’s “Black Jesus.”]. You said how can we sample it, and I figured out a way to do it. And I threw the drums on it, and broke it down to what it was. Those are the only two! And it’s not in dispute. Songs like “Bring Da Ruckus” I made 2 years before they even rapped on it. Songs like “Can It Be So Simple” anybody could have got on that. It had the hook, beat, and the lift from the beginning. They threw their verses on it.

Me as the producer I sit in the house all day and make beats. And I put hooks on a lot of mine by sampling the vocal hooks. So for them to say differently really offends me and I’m sure it offends all producers. So again, is it right for RZA to receive less than 50% when every other producer for Ghostface has received 50% for every beat he’s made from him: from Pete Rock to every unknown n***a producing for him that’s using my sound. What’s so bad is their using my sound getting 50% and here I am the inventor of the sound getting scrutinized. I’d love to see the answers we’ll get on this. I know it’s a lot, but that’s what it is.

RZA sounds pretty reasonable here but there must have been a reason the court sided with Ghost. Anyway it's interesting to hear a producer's take on how much work goes into a song and how the compensation is settled.

[Simon]

Is this Drake guy any good? I'm trying to get back into hip-hop at the moment but there isn't much that interests me, and Drake's track "Forever" is the best I've heard from a new artist. Eminem is the star but Drake is excellent on it too. And Wayne. Not Kanye.

[Billmatic]

Not Kanye? His verse is FIRE.

"I stuck my dick inside this life until that bitch came"
"I had raped the game young you could call it statutory"
"Superbad chicks givin' me McLovin, you would think I ran the world like Michelle's husband"

and Drake's hit or miss. He's talented, and he's got some good songs, but he's got a lot of sorta aimless R&B that gets pretty grating after a while.

His best song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-qLIuOS-NU

(possibly my favorite Weezy verse ever too)

[Fro]

Yeah Drake's above verse is my favorite of his as well. He kills it and easily outshines Weezy.

Drake is damn good in spurts but I haven't really enjoyed a full mixtape/album of his yet, mainly because he spends too much time on the R&B.

[Billmatic]

I don't know man, I knew people are inclined to hate on anything post- Carter III when it comes to Wayne, but that verse is crazy good and I'd say he outshines Drake by a mile.

[Fro]

Agree to disagree. Having just listened to it again they're both dope and probably neither outshines the other like we're saying, but I love this part in particular:

I'm going off like lights when the show's over
Make pasta rent a movie call hoes over
Rest in peace to Heath Ledger but I'm no joker
I'll slow roast ya, got no holster
Wet glass on ya table nigga no coaster
Burn bread everyday boy no toaster
G and Tez got a cig but I'm no smoker
They just handed chips to me nigga no poker
I'm with it, young money, cash money soldier
My cup runneth over
The same niggas I ball wit, I fall wit
On some southern drawl shit
Rookie of the year, '06 Chris Paul shit

[Billmatic]

:yes: good man.

I was encouraged, because Drake said "So Far Gone" was his R&B album and that he wanted to make his label debut a straight rap album, but I'm guessing given his massive success with "Best I Ever Had", etc. he's not straying from the formula yet.

[JRSlim21]

That's the business. Gotta go for what makes money. Just look at Cudi and all the love he's getting. He hated all the pop and dance remixes, but then the love & cash coming his way changed his tune.

[Bert]

Haven't had a chance to listen to this yet but I started listening to some of his stuff after hearing him on Entourage.
http://i35.tinypic.com/nlpr7r.jpg
Artist: Saigon
Album: Warning Shots 2
Label: Amalgam Digital
Playtime: 57:06 min
Genre: Rap/Hip-Hop
Rip date: 2009-10-06
Street date: 2009-10-06
Size: 134 MB
Quality: MP3 / 320 kbps CBR
01. Nothing Comes Easy
02. That's Not What's Up (Feat. G.Martin)
03. Fatherhood (Rayne Dior) (Feat. Lokz)
04. All Around The World (Feat. G.Martin)
05. For Some Pussy Part 1
06. Cookies & Milk (Introducing Young Boombaya & A.P.)
07. Be On Time
08. G Optified (Tommy Tee's Theme Sampler)
09. Fuck Me, Fuck You (Feat. Quan & Ransom)
10. Rusty Gunz (Feat. Lil' Fame Of M.O.P.)
11. Aye Aye Aye Nigga
12. Copping Pleas
13. Who Can Get Busy (Feat. Grand Puba)
14. For Some Pussy Part 2 (Remix) (Feat. OJ Da Juiceman)
15. Gotta Believe It (Feat. Just Blaze)
16. Saiiii Outro
http://rapidshare.com/files/289586143/s-ws.zip
or
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5N1S747Z

[JRSlim21]

I'm more impressed by the fact that he actually got out the album.

[Simon]

Anyone got a good quality upload of The Game's "What You Say", sampling Imogen Heap?

[Bert]

Never heard about that til now. (Although I did know about a R&B Artist sampling "Hide and Seek" by Imogen Heap) What the hell is Game doing on a track with Jay? Thought he hated him.

I kind of think trying to rap over the chorus is dumb. Hard to hear what they're saying.
Anyway this seems ok 128kbps:
http://www.zshare.net/download/506852006edbf469/

[Miotch]

It's not The Game on that track using "What You Say", it's Jason Derulo.

[Bert]

The R&B Artist, yes. But The Game also uses it, which you can hear in the zshare link in my post.

[son_of_foley]

cheers for the saigon appreciate it

[Fro]

Old news but since I didn't actually watch the VMAs except for the clip of Kanye merking Taylor Swift I missed this until a few days ago: the performance of Empire State of Mind by Jay-Z and Alicia Keys has to be the best hip hop musical performance on a tv/awards show I've ever seen. Immense.

Also The Roots (Oct 20) and Clipse (Nov 10) are dropping albums soon so I'm keeping my eye out for those

[Deka]

Yeah. Best part of that performance was Lil' Mama jumping on stage near the end. Both Jay-Z and Alicia Keys had confused looks on their faces and at one point Jay-Z pats Lil' Mama back as if to say, "Okay, okay. Get off the stage, sweetie. You don't belong here."

[RuneEdge]

Theres a video online which I think wasnt shown during the show of Beyonce actually grabbing her hand to try to stop her getting on stage. But the idiot pulled her wrist free and went on to ruin the performance.

[Bert]

And jay said "oh you gon t-pain it huh" :lol:

[JRSlim21]

That performance was ridiculous. Alicia had her A game. Speaking of R&B, Mariah Carey's "H.A.T.E.U. Remix" with Gucci Mane, Big Boi & OJ the Juiceman has me grooving right now... maybe cause it got JD remixing it with the old "My Boo" beat (and I don't mean Usher).

Right now listening to the Royce Da 5'9 "Street Hop" album. Anyone else listen? I'm a huge Royce fan so I don't know if my opinion can be objective

[Billmatic]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-8-2009/slim-thug-s-music-video---still-a-boss

we gonna balance our budgets all over yo ass

[Adamy]

That performance was ridiculous. Alicia had her A game. Speaking of R&B, Mariah Carey's "H.A.T.E.U. Remix" with Gucci Mane, Big Boi & OJ the Juiceman has me grooving right now... maybe cause it got JD remixing it with the old "My Boo" beat (and I don't mean Usher).

What ever happened to Charli Baltimore, anyway?

[JRSlim21]

Charli Baltimore didn't do My Boo. It was Quad City DJs.

But speakin of... where the hell is she? She got caught up in in the worst record label this side of the Mississsippi.... the Inc. Like the NYC version of No Limit. You hear from their artists once and never again except for the main attraction.

[Mike Skillz]

Yeah, but at least even the No Limit peripheral players released albums, e.g Kane & Abel, Soulja Slim, Mia X.

How many times on Ja Rule/Ashanti LP's did you see, Black Child, Charli Baltimore, Cadillac Tah.. Coming soon?

Not that a single person was waiting for those.

[Adamy]

Didn't she and Cam'ron have a song called "My Boo" back in like 1998?

[Deka]

After Irv Gotti's main office was raided by the feds and he got caught up in all that B.S. about construding with drug dealers and whatnot everyhing went downhill from there.

Also, Ashanti walking off was a huge hit The Inc.'s overall profits.

I am shocked that Ja Rule has yet to be pushed back into the mainstream limelight, though. You would think he would still be very marketable in the current hip-hop climate and would be a profitable investment for The Inc.

I think Plies is the best example of a southern version of Ja Rule. Thriving off of female-targeted duets with R&B artists and doesn't feature any other rappers on his albums.

[JRSlim21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVoFs-vqYaw

You're right Adamy. But when I say My Boo, I'm always gonna think of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQfcJ7ORdH4

[Bert]

Royce_Da_59-Street_Hop-2009-H3X
http://www.netweed.com/prohiphop/graf2/royce-street-hop.jpg
Tracklist:
1. Gun Harmonizing (prod by Emile)
2. Count For Nothing (prod by Streetrunner)
3. Soldier (feat. Kid Vishis)
4. Something 2 Ride (feat. Phonte)
5. Dinner Time (feat. Busta Rhymes)
6. Far Away
7. The Warriors (feat. Slaughterhouse) (prod by Streetrunner)
8. A Brief Intermission (Skit)
9. Gimme Money (prod by Streetrunner)
10. Gangsta (feat. Trick Trick)
11. Shake This (prod by Dj Premier)
12. Mine In Thiz
13. Street Hop (prod by Six July)
14. Thing For Your Girlfriend (Hoe Jack) (feat. Kay Young)
15. Bad Boy (feat. Jungle Rock Jr.)
16. Take You There (feat. Melanie Rutherford)
17. Part Of Me (prod by Carlos Broady)
18. Love From The Hood (feat. Bun B & Joell Ortiz) (prod by Dj Premier)
http://rapidshare.com/files/293725059/Royce_Da_59-Street_Hop-2009-H3X.rar
or
http://www.storage.to/get/2RuBsOq5/Royce_Da_59-Street_Hop-2009-H3X.rar
or
http://hotfile.com/dl/14919123/086c8c5/Royce_Da_59-Street_Hop-2009-H3X.rar.html

Stat_Quo-Great_Depression-2009-H3X
http://hiphop-n-more.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/stat-quo-great-depression.jpg
Tracklist:

1 - Intro
2 - Almost Home
3 - In California
4 - Stylin
5 - The Wind
6 - Thats Me
7 - The Sun
8 - Pull
9 - Suck Ma Dick
10 - Soul Clap
11 - How It Goes
12 - Ballout
13 - Go Ham
14 - One And Only Son
15 - In God We Trus
16 - Plenty Years
http://rapidshare.com/files/293859302/Stat_Quo-Great_Depression-2009.zip
or
http://hotfile.com/links/15030166/fb4ba98/SQGP-CDRELEASES.rar.html

[Deka]

Royce has a big alien head.

[JRSlim21]

Kanye.... wtf is wrong with you?

http://www.vladtv.com/video/12407/kanye-west-we-were-once-a-fairytale-short-film/

[Pete Cash]

It is hard to be so awesome so bits of awesome just fly out of him randomly

[Bert]

Just got Tech N9ne - KOD.

So hyped for this after hearing Show Me a God.
http://www.mixtapewall.com/uploads/2009/09/techn9ne-kod.jpg
1. "Show Me a God" A. Yates Matic Lee 3:43
2. "The Warning" S. Watson 0:31
3. "Demons" (featuring Three 6 Mafia) A. Yates, J. Houston, P. Beauregard Matic Lee 5:23
4. "Blackened The Sun" A. Yates 4:26
5. "Strange Music Box" (featuring Brotha Lynch Hung & Krizz Kaliko) A. Yates, K. Mann, S. Watson YoungFyre, Karbon 4:11
6. "Sundae" 0:25
7. "Check Yo Temperature" (featuring Sundae & T-Nutty) A. Yates, S. Austin, T. Jones Jr. YoungFyre 4:32
8. "B. Boy" (featuring Big Scoob, Bumpy Knuckles, Kutt Calhoun & Skatterman) A. Yates, M. Calhoun Jr., S. Ashby Jr., S. Landis YoungFyre, Karbon 5:29
9. "Hunterish" (featuring Irv Da Phenom & Krizz Kaliko) A. Yates, M. Irving Jr., S. Watson YoungFyre 3:47
10. "The Pick Up" A. Yates 1:15
11. "In The Trunk" A. Yates 4:25
12. "Pinocchiho" A. Yates 2:10
13. "Horns" (featuring King Gordy & Prozak) A. Yates, S. Shippy, W. Alford II 3:59
14. "Interview With Jason Whitlock" 2:21
15. "It Was An Accident" (featuring Alan Wayne) A. Yates, Wayne 3:44
16. "Shadows On The Road" A. Yates, S. Watson 3:28
17. "Low" A. Yates, S. Watson 3:33
18. "Messages" 1:38
19. "Killing You" A. Yates, S. Watson 3:36
20. "Leave Me Alone" A. Yates, S. Watson YoungFyre, Karbon 3:52
21. "Prayer - By Brother K.T." K. Taylor 0:42
22. "K.O.D." (featuring Mackenzie O'Guin) A. Yates, B. Fraser, S. Watson 5:14
23. "The Martini" (featuring Krizz Kaliko)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D27KLSG0

[Dubya]

I was just about to post a torrent for the new Tech N9ne .. love this dude. "Local" artist for me .. been listening to him for over 10 years. Always puts out quality discs. I like a lot of the artists on Strange Music .. Krizz Kaliko, Kutt Calhoun, Skatterman & Snug Brim .. they've got a few good artists, all with different styles. Here's another link, just in case .. torrent ..

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/137354045/tech+n9ne+kod?tab=summary

[JRSlim21]

So DJ Jazzy Jeff put out a new mixtape called "He's the King, I'm the DJ." It's a mix of Michael Jackson's greatest hits and rare gems. Sometimes lost in all the hoopla that is MJ is the fact that... he is so heavily sampled. It's off DJ Jazzy Jeff's website and he's giving it away for free. Pretty cool including the Jay-Z "You Rock My World" remix and a mix of "I Want You Back" and Kris Kross' "Jump" (never knew they sampled it).

[Billmatic]

Ahem..

http://freshlyservedhiphop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wale-attention-deficit-450x450-300x300.jpg

01. Triumph (prod. Dave Sitek)
02. Mamma Told Me
03. Mirrors f. Bun B (prod. Mark Ronson)
04. Pretty Girls f. Gucci Mane & Weensey (of Backyard Band) (prod. Best Kept Secret)
05. World Tour f Jazmine Sullivan (prod.Cool & Dre)
06. Let It Loose (Inhibitions) f. Pharrell Williams (prod. The Neptunes)
07. 90210 (prod. Mark Ronson)
08. Shades f. Chrisette Michele (prod. 9th Wonder)
09. Chillin’ f. Lady Gaga (prod. Cool & Dre)
10. TV In The Radio f. K’Naan (prod. Dave Sitek)
11. Contemplate f. Rihanna (prod. Syience)
12. Diary f. Marsha Ambrosius
13. Beautiful Bliss f. Melanie Fiona & J.Cole (prod. DJ Green Lantern & Mark Ronson)
14. Prescription

http://www.mediafire.com/?nnluj5bnudw

[Bert]

:beer: Thanks for the Wale.

[Billmatic]

I'm a little disappointed in the new Wale tbh. Not bad by any means, but I was expecting some greatness.

[Fro]

Ditto. I wanted to give it a few listens before commenting but I just haven't been compelled to go back through it again yet. Production wise it's a step up from his mixtapes but overall I'm not sure it's better than them.

Pop culture references can only go so far.

[Billmatic]

It kinda seems as though he didn't really know what to do. He's clearly going for a more commercial route, but the songs really aren't all that commercial. I think it's more growing pains than a lack of anything on his part though. He's getting rave reviews on the Roc Nation tour so I only expect his stock to rise.

[Pete Cash]

There were a couple of tracks I really liked but I would agree with the assessment. It isn't bad and it is above average but I prefered the MixTape about Nothing and 100 miles and Running. It doesn't feel as if he even enjoyed it as much.

[Billmatic]

On a separate note, I think Mos Def's "The Ecstatic" is one of the best releases of the year, especially considering that he'd been mailing it in for a few years. I can get behind every single song on it.

[JRSlim21]

Yea, Mixtape About Nothing is probably his best "album." I decided to listen to the first few tracks, Not bad, just not great. He's not exactly a rapper with super commercial appeal so I dont know.

[Billmatic]

hell fucking yes.


Michael Eric Dyson, the prolific truth teller that often encompasses his words of wisdom with Hip-Hop is lending his talents to another literary work. Dyson already has several books in stores including ‘Holler If You Hear Me' and ‘Pride: The Seven Deadly Sins.' His latest work however will be an alternative to his previously released works, and tell the story of the Illmatic one, Nas.

Titled,' Born To Use Mics', the book will tell the story of the Queensbridge native whose songs and music brought the world to a lyrical stand still.
According to Amazon.com, it will be an unofficial biography of Nasir that focuses mainly on his 90s masterpiece, Illmatic. Professor Dyson will not be alone on the project and the agency describes it saying,

"The best and brightest writers of the hip-hop generation reflect upon the era's landmark album: Nas's Illmatic. From the moment then nineteen-year-old Nasir “Nas” Jones began recording tracks for his debut album the hip-hop world was forever changed. Released in 1994, Illmatic, was hailed as a masterpiece and is one of the most influential albums in hip-hop history. In Born to Use Mics, Michael Eric Dyson and Sohail Daulatzai have brought together the brightest minds to reflect upon and engage one of the most incisive sets of songs ever laid down on wax."

‘Born To Use Mics' hits stores December 28. Check out the cover below.

http://www.sohh.com/img/picresized_1257585587_nas-book.jpg

[Pete Cash]

Must have

[Pete Cash]

I am listening to Illmatic right now and it really is everything good about hiphop put into one record. It stands against any album in any genre.

[Billmatic]

I try to listen to it at least once every couple of weeks. I could go on and on and on about my love for that album. I'd put it as one of the best ever in any pop genre. Up with Highway 61 & Revolver in its timelessness.

[Tyson]

Will def be buying that book. :yes:

[son_of_foley]

Whats this MF DOOM presents Unexpected Guests thing? Is it another instrumental?

[Pete Cash]

Its a bunch of collaborations. Its ok.

The best DOOM collab is Let Me Watch

[son_of_foley]

cheers

[Billmatic]

Can someone please explain the appeal of Gucci Mane? I just don't get it.

[Simon]

I like that Spotlight track but only because Usher is tits. What kind of fucking name is Gucci Mane anyway? Rappers have stupid names nowadays. Young Jeezy, Slim Thug, Jibbs...what the fuck?

[Billmatic]

Ball Greezy has to beat them all though

[son_of_foley]

Young Jeezy is hardly a stupid name

[Fro]

I love that Wale skit about stupid rapper names.

Wale: So Lil' Wale or Yung Wale huh?
Exec: I'm leaning toward Lil'.

Attention Deficit has not grown on me, btw

[Billmatic]

Nah me neither. It's not bad at all, but I don't ever see listening to it over any of the mixtapes anytime soon.

"Mirrors" is sick though.

[Adamy]

I like that Spotlight track but only because Usher is tits. What kind of fucking name is Gucci Mane anyway? Rappers have stupid names nowadays. Young Jeezy, Slim Thug, Jibbs...what the fuck?

Gucci Maine took his name from his father, who went by Goochie Man.

The all-time worst (or best, if you're me) rap name has to be Niggalas Cage, though.

[Billmatic]

:rofl: Niggalas Cage is where its at.

OJ Da Juiceman is up there as well.

[Miotch]

Anyone have a leak for the Blakroc album? :D

[Pete Cash]

Potentially

EDIT

Seems to be all fakes thus far.

[Miotch]

The anticipation is literally killing me.

We're less than 2 weeks away and it still hasn't leaked. Pretty unheard of these days.

[spanish announce table]

The track with RZA and Monch is dopeness.

What do you guys think of the new Cormega and MOP albums? I've been meaning to check them out, but never got around to it.

[Ringo]

Some good recent Hip-Hop here:

Blockhead - The Music Scene

http://i34.tinypic.com/2q2329x.jpg

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6JMFRXDT

...

Fashawn - Boy Meets World

http://2dopeboyz.okayplayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/20090923-FASHAWN.jpg

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7Z4NP8YN

...

CunninLynquists - Strange Journey Volume 2

http://i37.tinypic.com/9atw8h.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/?zmmzmizutzh

[JIJ]

50 Cent & McKenna Woods - Hard Rock

TUUUUUNE

[UncannyIowan]

You cats ever hear of The J-Hexx Project? He's got a couple free downloads at www.lacorerecords.com, he's on some 1974 horror movie vibe but it's really solid. Dude hails from New York, has had reviews in Fangoria and other publications centered around horror.

[Miotch]

BlakRoc - Blakroc 2009

http://imgur.com/kSH8r.jpg

http://imgur.com/ReJAe.jpg

http://imgur.com/9rBEI.jpg

Track Listing
1. Coochie (Featuring Ludacris & Ol' Dirty ~censored~)
2. On The Vista (Featuring Mos Def)
3. Hard Times (Featuring NOE)
4. Dollaz & Sense (Featuring Pharoahe Monch & RZA)
5. Why Can't I Forget Him (Featuring Nicole Wray)
6. Stay Off The ~censored~' Flowers (Featuring Raekwon)
7. Ain't Nothing Like You (Hoochie Coo) (Featuring Jim Jones & Mos Def)
8. Hope You're Happy (Featuring Billy Danze, Nicole Wray & Q-Tip)
9. Tellin' Me Things (Featuring RZA)
10. What You Do To Me (Featuring Billy Danze, Jim Jones & Nicole Wray)
11. Done Did It (Featuring Nicole Wray & NOE)

Download

http://rapidshare.com/files/307757873/BlakRoc_-_Blakroc.rar

[JRSlim21]

Who is NOE? For a second, I thought it was a typo and they meant N.O.R.E.

[Morrison]

Who is NOE? For a second, I thought it was a typo and they meant N.O.R.E.

he's a rapper associated with Jim Jones.

[Miotch]

Who is NOE? For a second, I thought it was a typo and they meant N.O.R.E.

In addition to what Morrison said, he also sounds a bit like Jay-Z.

I'm absolutely loving this album.

[Ringo]

oh fuck yes. listening. loving. :yes:

[JRSlim21]

True story. Great album.

[Beer-Belly]

Fuck YUS! I've spent so much time flipping shit over Them Crooked Vultures that I almost forgot about Blakroc. Nice surprise.

[Miotch]

Album of the year?

I'm thinking so right now.

[Fro]

Blakroc really is tremendous. I wish it was longer, but then again it's the exact same length as Illmatic.

ODB on the opening track sounds great. I need to get my hands on A Son Unique, any good?

[Fro]

Was putting together my top albums of the decade list for Dave's thread and figured I'd post my top hip hop albums in here.

1. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
2. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
3. Kanye West - The College Dropout
4. Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
5. The Roots – The Tipping Point
6. Kanye West – Late Registration
7. Reflection Eternal – Train of Thought
8. Deltron 3030 – Deltron 3030
9. Common - Be
10. Outkast - Stankonia

I'm content with my ordering of 1-4, but 5-10 could be re-arranged a lot of different ways as they're all close to even for me.

Honorable mentions: Madvillainy, The Ownerz, The Black Album, Restless, Tha Carter, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II

Surely I'm forgetting some though..

[Bert]

I always liked The Eminem Show better than The Marshall Mathers LP but to each his own I guess.

[Restiform]

01 madvillain - madvillainy
02 jay-z - the blueprint
03 ghostface - supreme clientele
04 cannibal ox - the cold vein
05 eminem - the marshall mathers lp
06 quasimoto - the further adventures
07 outkast - stankonia
08 the roots - game theory
09 kanye west - graduation
10 masta killa - no said date

[Pete Cash]

I will be voting for The Grey Album (don't give a fuck if its a mashup), Madvillainyn and maybe some other shit. I listen to a lot of genres though.

[Simon]

I always liked The Eminem Show better than The Marshall Mathers LP but to each his own I guess.

You mad fucker.

1. The Slim Shady LP
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. The Eminem Show
4. Relapse
5. Infinite
6. Encore

[JRSlim21]

I will be voting for The Grey Album (don't give a fuck if its a mashup), Madvillainyn and maybe some other shit. I listen to a lot of genres though.

I listen to 99 Problems and What More Can I Say from that album more than the Black Album

[Bert]

You mad fucker.

1. The Slim Shady LP
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. The Eminem Show
4. Relapse
5. Infinite
6. Encore

1. The Eminem Show
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. Relapse
4. The Slim Shady LP
5. Encore
6. Infinite

[Pete Cash]

In addition to what Morrison said, he also sounds a bit like Jay-Z.

I'm absolutely loving this album.

Sounds almost identical to him.

[Simon]

1. The Eminem Show
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. Relapse
4. The Slim Shady LP
5. Encore
6. Infinite

Relapse above SSLP? You should change your name to Mr. Nutbar

[Bert]

I debated about it but I think Relapse was slept on.

I quite enjoyed it. Looking forward to Relapse 2.

[Fro]

I liked Relapse a lot too, but nothing on it is as good as If I Had, Guilty Conscience, Still Don't Give a Fuck, Rock Bottom or Role Model, imo

[Bert]

I really only listen to Guilty Conscience still. The production quality on SSLP doesn't seem that good, unless it's just my copy. I can barely hear Em unless I turn my speakers/iPod up and then I hear static in the background.

[Bert]

BlakRoc mirror in case someone hasn't got it yet, old link appears to be dead. (I'm downloading now):
http://rapidshare.com/files/311483947/BlakRoc_-_Blakroc.rar

[Fro]

I've never had that problem with SSLP, but in general I often have to turn up the treble in my car when listening to rap for that reason. Maybe try to find another copy because it'd be a shame for an Em fan not to enjoy those classic songs.

[QuietStorm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hEV5F1oeuY&annotation_id=annotation_423331&feature=iv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbo-LdE7teE&feature=related


It's a wrap.

[Bert]

No it's not. :lol:
Tell that to Everlast, Benzino, ICP, and oh yeah Canibus the first time.

[Adamy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eASmbyOTHKs&feature=player_embedded

Nice.

[Simon]

Can't listen to that D12/Canibus track at work, why would D12 be dissing Eminem?

[Miotch]

The dis is something to the effect of 'white boy comes in to make a few million and then walks away like he doesn't even know you'.

That's obviously not the line, but the song fucking sucked and I don't want to listen to it again. That's the gist though.

[Fro]

It's a decent enough diss track. I can't tell if D12 is actually dissing Em or not as they don't seem to mention him by name. Canibus's crony sounds a lot like Slug.

Hopefully Em responds because when he gets his battle rap on there's few better.

[Miotch]

No they're talking about some other white dude who rolled with them in the past and no longer pay any attention to them.

[Fro]

Said subject matter is rapped about by Canibus and his crony, not any members of D12.

[Miotch]

Yeah but D12 is on the track. Come on now.

[Fro]

Everything D12 says on that track is completely generic. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Canibus just chopped in some D12 verses he got a hold of. If this is them dissing him then they come off as pussies, afraid to say anything direct.

They really shouldn't be dissing Eminem anyway considering none of us would who know who the fuck they are without him.

[Miotch]

Everything D12 says on every track is generic. It's probably why Eminem wants nothing to do with them anymore.

[QuietStorm]

D12 isn't even on the track. They were added in.

Also, I'm sure this came about because Canibus wanted to make good again and do a track together but Shady said no. He only put 16 bars on this one so I'm sure there is a lot more to come. Eminem is a cornball and never put anything out directed at Canibus that was even as close to as harsh as Dr. C PHD.

[Fro]

VINTAGE QS lol

Yeah Em never really gave the battle much effort. "Canibitch" was kinda weak especially compared to his other battle raps which are some of the best of all time.

While on topic let me throw this out there. As much as I love 2nd Round KO I actually think The Ripper Strikes Back was the better dis song. Great battle on both sides though, one of my faves.

[RuneEdge]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Canibus just chopped in some D12 verses he got a hold of.
Thats exactly what happened.

[Bluemoon]

Was putting together my top albums of the decade list for Dave's thread and figured I'd post my top hip hop albums in here.

1. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
2. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
3. Kanye West - The College Dropout
4. Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
5. The Roots – The Tipping Point
6. Kanye West – Late Registration
7. Reflection Eternal – Train of Thought
8. Deltron 3030 – Deltron 3030
9. Common - Be
10. Outkast - Stankonia

I'm content with my ordering of 1-4, but 5-10 could be re-arranged a lot of different ways as they're all close to even for me.

Honorable mentions: Madvillainy, The Ownerz, The Black Album, Restless, Tha Carter, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II

Surely I'm forgetting some though..

Nice list, Blueprint is probably my choice as best.

[Simon]

D12 isn't even on the track. They were added in.

Also, I'm sure this came about because Canibus wanted to make good again and do a track together but Shady said no. He only put 16 bars on this one so I'm sure there is a lot more to come. Eminem is a cornball and never put anything out directed at Canibus that was even as close to as harsh as Dr. C PHD.

Eminem never cared about Canibus, Bus was just riding his tails looking for a bite. When he's interested, there are few better than Eminem when it comes to diss tracks. Certainly not the supremely average Canibus.

[QuietStorm]

Canibus is creating a new style of rhyming these days and is doing Guinness Book of World Records type stuff. What is Eminem doing that is so special? The answer is nothing.

[Chris Scott]

First I have heard about Canibus dissing Eminem until reading it on here, thought that track with D12 was not bad. Still look forward to his new album like always.

[Bert]

Canibus is creating a new style of rhyming these days and is doing Guinness Book of World Records type stuff. What is Eminem doing that is so special? The answer is nothing.

You should have just said that it was a rhetorical question.

If Relapse 2 is anything like his verse on "Forever" it's going to be good. Eminem is one of the best lyricists. That's what is so special about him.

[Fro]

What record is he going to break/create?

[QuietStorm]

What record is he going to break/create?
Well, it's not an official record but the number of PLOO mixes created by his fans numbers in the thousands. I have well over a days worth of Infinity mixes on my computer and I certainly don't have all of them out there. That is thousands of new songs and new rhymes coming from one 55-minute track. Infinite indeed. And a lot of the mixes are just insane.

"I created swine PLOO out of an infinite mix."

[Fro]

I just saw that the KRS-One & Buckshot album got a perfect score from RapReviews. I need to check that out.

Also I'm surprised no one has mentioned...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/7SealCover.jpg

[QuietStorm]

I just saw that the KRS-One & Buckshot album got a perfect score from RapReviews. I need to check that out.

Also I'm surprised no one has mentioned...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/7SealCover.jpg

KRS/Buckshot album is great, while I thought Rakim's was very underwhelming and unfortunately disappointing.


And here are just a few of my favorite Poet Laureate Infinity mixes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TymVcHE0H4k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byflzqOo3ec


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHOkNBkTCyM

[spanish announce table]

If you thought 'Madlib In India' was dope, Oh No just did a joint called 'Ethiopium'. I've only heard a few of the beats on it, but this sounding insane!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWSNTr81kFw&feature=related

As far as the Rakim album, I bought it on Friday and only gave it one brief run through. The beats aren't as good as I was hoping, and there is too much singing on it that isn't needed. Lyrically, Ra is still sharp, but I dont know why he didn't hook up with some better producers.

[Mantaur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi6vCxsEs9Y

This is the kind of video I can relate to.

[Bert]

Charles Hamilton – Charles Hamilton is Back
http://2dopeboyz.okayplayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/20091108-CHAM.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/?zqrvmwfy4hj

Getting ready to listen to it now before bed. Not expecting much really.

[Bert]

Charles Hamilton track was alright, didn't really find it anything special.
Really liking this, It's probably going to blow up when the mainstream hears it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5hDcNB7e0

[Bert]

Here's something new. 7 tracks. 2 you've probably heard before. (Taking My Ball and Forever)
I really like Hell Breaks Loose and Elevator is one of those songs that gets stuck in your head.
Anyway, Enjoy!
Eminem - The Refill
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj139/myhangover/refilltracklist.jpg
Tracklist:
1. Forever
2. Hell Breaks Loose ft Dr.Dre
3. Buffalo Bill
4. Elevator
5. Taking My Ball
6. Music Box
7. Drop The Bomb On 'Em
http://hotfile.com/dl/21166595/72753fe/em-RlpsRefilll.rar.html
or
http://www.easy-share.com/1908787211/Refill.Viper3773.www.theviperfiles.com.rar
or
http://uploading.com/files/6mdm2abf/Eminem_-_Relapse.._Refill.rar/
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/323610401/Eminen_Relapse_Refill-HK.rar

[QuietStorm]

Elavator is a nice tune.

[Fro]

I'm digging these tracks, but it's definitely a good thing he's putting them out as a Refill instead of Relapse 2. Putting more time in and making a fresh album should be better.

Em + Just Blaze is an interesting combo. I love both so I'm definitely psyched for it but am also intrigued at how it will sound.


Edit: Also... while I don't have a link the new Clipse has leaked.

[Fro]

Wow. This Clipse album is straight fire. Might be their best.

I can up it tonight if needed. On first listen I'm completely blown away.

[spanish announce table]

I've seen this brought up in other threads, but what do you guys think are the best albums this decade? I don't know if I can put them in order, but my top 20 would be something like:

Ghostface - Supreme Clientele
The Roots - Game Theory
Canibus - Rip The Jacker
Killah Priest - The Offering
Talib Kweli - Ear Drum
Non Phixion - The Future is Now
Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP
Scarface - The Fix
Outkast - Stankonia
Skyzoo - Salvation
Raekwon - Cuban Linx II
Nas - Stillmatic
Common - Be
Hell Razah - Razah's Ladder
Blu & Exile - Below The Heavens
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
MF DOOM & Madlib - Madvillain
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol. 2
Xzibit - Restless
Bronze Nazareth - The Great Migration

[Simon]

Has the new Eminem album leaked yet?

[Bert]

Look 5 posts up.

[Simon]

That's not the new Eminem album.

[Fro]

Relapse 2? That hasn't leaked yet. It doesn't even have a release date yet.

Also I doubt he will call it Relapse 2 considering he seems to be going in a different direction with it, as a side note.

[Simon]

Yeah sorry I was on about Relapse 2, that post looks like I was being a nob but I was just replying quickly cos I had to do something. Someone on my Twitter account who gets hooked up with leaks was saying how Eminem's new album is fire, I'm assuming she is talking about Relapse 2 rather than the Refill.

[Ringo]

Can you up Til The Casket Drops, Fro? All the links I've found are BROKEN. I've read mixed opinions, but am still super excited.

Also, new Lupe mixtape (FEATURING Lupe rapping over Radiohead's "National Anthem"!). This is really fucking great. Some mad wordplay here. Can't wait for Lasers.



http://blazed1.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/lupe-.-enemy-of-the-state.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/?lgyzznn0jyi

Not sure if these have been posted here yet. Two of the absolute best hip-hop albums of the year:


Fashawn - Boy Meets World

http://m.blog.hu/mr/mrweg/image/blogvegyes/20090813-fashawn1.jpg

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7Z4NP8YN

Skyzoo - The Salvation

http://nahright.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/skyzoo-the-salvation.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/?jgmwntj22wu

[QuietStorm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqCOwfaeGXM

A nice and friendly song about PCP for your Christmas eve.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8bVstAqWXc&feature=related

A kid-friendly tune about crack dealers. RIP Camu Tao.

[Fro]

Can you up Til The Casket Drops, Fro? All the links I've found are BROKEN. I've read mixed opinions, but am still super excited.


http://rapidshare.com/files/326204952/Til_The_Casket_Drops.rar.html

For me this album sounded best on first listen... which isn't a good thing, but I did really love it on first listen. Since then I've found that lyrically and content-wise it's somewhat of a step down from Hell Hath No Fury, but I still think it's stronger musically.

[Fro]

Well, it's that time of year...

Top hip hop albums of 2009:

1. Raekwon - OB4CL2
2. Clipse - Til The Casket Drops
3. Eminem - Relapse
4. Kid Cudi - Man on the Moon
5. Mos Def - The Ecstatic
6. Jay-Z - The Blueprint 3
7. Blakroc
8. KRS One & Buckshot - Survival Skills
9. Wu-Tang Clan - Chamber Music
10. Ghostface Killah - Ghostdini: Wizard of Poetry in Emerald City

Song of the year: Empire State of Mind

[Dubya]

Clipse - Til the Casket Drops
Blakroc
Jay-Z - The Blueprint 3
Twista - F5
Eminem - Relapse/Refill
Method Man & Redman - Blackout! 2
Krizz Kaliko - Genious
Flo Rida - R.O.O.T.S.
Slim Thug - Boss of All Bosses
Ghostface - Ghostdini

[Miotch]

Both of those lists make me sad for different reasons.

[Fro]

thanks for sharing

[Miotch]

It wasn't so much a jab at either of your lists (other than Flo Rida) but more a commentary on what a poor year of releases this has been for hip hop.

[Simon]

Is this guy J. Cole well known? I've got his CD (might be a mixtape, dunno) and it's pretty good.

[Simon]

In fact I'm pretty sure it's a mixtape seeing as he has a straight rip-off of Get By by Talib.

[Fro]

He's Jay-Z's boy and was on The Blueprint 3. I've been meaning to check out his mixtapes.

[QuietStorm]

J. Cole used to be a Canibus-Central poster some years back. That's about all I know. Anyways, Feb. 9 is the date for this....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhXEH-QgcsY

Think I might be most hyped for the track with Psalm One.

[Anaconda Sniper]

http://teamteamwork.bandcamp.com/album/the-ocarina-of-rhyme

Check this shit out...known rap songs but the beats are ocarina of time music.

[Morrison]

so apparently def jux has folded.

[QuietStorm]

http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/2010_02_melatoninmagik.html

[QuietStorm]

And the official video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ma7VpfMrc

[Fro]

Shit's dope. Bis has always been one of the best lyricists. If he had a nicer voice, could switch up his flow a little more and didn't mind doing more commercial songs... he'd be on top of the game.

[Simon]

OK dickheads,

I am getting back into hip-hop at the momo and would like some tips for classic albums to pick up. Anything from the early 90s onwards is fine, I'm sure I'll already know and love a lot of your picks but anything new I can pick up will be fandabbydozie. I recently got back into Nas, Jay-Z and Big L after a while away from everything except my favourites and I'm loving it. D'Evils = my shit.

[jesus sucks]

i always loved Can I Live from reasonable doubt.

[Fro]

Redman - Muddy Waters
Jurassic 5 - Power in Numbers
Gang Starr - Moment of Truth

My favorites from each of these artists. Classics.

[Fro]

Also you should have Big L's Harlem's Finest: A Freestyle History if you don't already. Amazing collection of live radio appearances from L.

[Morrison]

OK dickheads,

I am getting back into hip-hop at the momo and would like some tips for classic albums to pick up. Anything from the early 90s onwards is fine, I'm sure I'll already know and love a lot of your picks but anything new I can pick up will be fandabbydozie. I recently got back into Nas, Jay-Z and Big L after a while away from everything except my favourites and I'm loving it. D'Evils = my shit.

if you're looking for some 'lighter' material:

midnight marauders and the low end theory by a tribe called quest
to whom it may concern by freestyle fellowship
bizarre ride II the pharcyde by the pharcyde

[Anaconda Sniper]

Gang Starr - Moment of Truth

:yes:

[BBF]

Bone Thugs is all you need to know.

[Simon]

They're not that good. The fact that Biggie took their style and made it doubly good on Notorious Thugs proves this. See also Big Pun bringing M.O.P. on a track, copying their style and making it better on New York Giants.

They're alright like but never been a favourite of mine. Krayzie Bone had a good track though, 24 Hours To Live?

[BBF]

Krayzie Bone has about 8 good tracks. Perfect weed smoking music.

I wish I was a member of Bones Thugs.

[Simon]

Blazin' Squad's version of Crossroads was better.

[BBF]

NEG REP

This shows the differences between us. I am a weed smoking, mother fucking BEAST of a man and you are Kenzie.

[Simon]

I could flip reverse it on you at the drop of a hat. I hope you know that.

[BBF]

Simon, I would flip reverse it with you anytime you liked. I wouldn't want to do anything that might put our love on the line.

[Simon]

Get the fuck outta here.

Anyway don't let BBF derail this question with his Bone Thugs N R N B cack, I want hip-hop. I tried to find some kind of all-inclusive DJ Premier torrent with ALL tracks he's ever produced for artists, couldn't find anything though.

[son_of_foley]

So would it be hard to look up his discography and then just torrent them yourself?

I'm on a mad Mos Def kick again

[BBF]

Not quite Hip Hop but listen to DubFX, Simon, you might like him.

Some girl introduced me to him and its pretty good shit.

[Fro]

You probably already have this, but if not, Deltron 3030 is the shiznit.

[Simon]

So would it be hard to look up his discography and then just torrent them yourself?

I'm on a mad Mos Def kick again

To download individual songs he's produced that must span hundreds of separate albums? Yes that would be difficult insofar as it would take hours.

[son_of_foley]

If an all encompassing torrent doesn't exist then that's your option

[Simon]

Yes thank you for that.

[son_of_foley]

I really fail to see what else you wanted contributed to you saying you failed to find a discography torrent for an artist

[Simon]

Someone may have known of a link.

[son_of_foley]

A google search returned 35,000 results it claims.

[Bert]

Get the fuck outta here.

Anyway don't let BBF derail this question with his Bone Thugs N R N B cack, I want hip-hop. I tried to find some kind of all-inclusive DJ Premier torrent with ALL tracks he's ever produced for artists, couldn't find anything though.

HURR DURR
look what I found when I googled "DJ Premier discography torrent"


http://www.torrentportal.com/torrents-details.php?id=766946

And yeah bone thugs are amazing.
We're not against rap
We're not against rappers
But we are against those thugs

[Fro]

Speaking of Premier...

Guru is in a heart attack-induced coma and had to have surgery. Hopefully he pulls through.

[Miotch]

Put the following playlist together for a female who needed convincing of how fantastic hip hop can be, so I may as well post the download link here.

Song/Artist/Album

Mother's Day/Atmosphere/Leak at Will
Little Man/Atmosphere/You can't imagine...
What You Do to Me/Blakroc/Blakroc
Angelz/Doom/Born Like This
Family/MF Doom/Nastradoomus 1
Travellin' Man/DJ Honda feat. Mos Def/Remastered
New Wu/Raekwon/Cuban Linx II

I'm sure most of you have a few if not most of those, but there's probably something in there that you don't have as well.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNDSkhVdkdvQUt4dnc9PQ

[Simon]

Speaking of Premier...

Guru is in a heart attack-induced coma and had to have surgery. Hopefully he pulls through.

Serious? Jesus. Here's hoping he gets through it.

I've been revisiting a lot of old hip-hop recently and absolutely loving it, haven't enjoyed hip-hop this much in maybe six or seven years. I've been deliberately shunning the stuff I listen to most but have got bored of over the last few years and going back over stuff I'd forgotten about.

Currently loving...

Common - The Sixth Sense, I Used To Love H.E.R.
The Fugees - Cowboys, Manifest, Fu-gee-la
Freeway - Feel It In The Air
Nas - Surviving The Times, The Message, It Ain't Hard To Tell, Bridging The Gap, Get Down, I Gave You Power
Gang Starr - Same Team No Games, The Rep Grows Bigga
2pac - , Do For Love, Baby Don't Cry, Made Niggaz, So Many Tearz, Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
Wu-Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M., Ice Cream, Protect Ya Neck Pt. II, Rainy Dayz
The Roots - Break You Off
Notorious B.I.G. - Rap Phenomenon
Sticky Fingaz - Suicide Letter, Stick 'Em Up
Jay-Z - Can't Knock The Hustle, D'Evils, Feelin' It, Dead Presidents II
Redman - Da Rockwilder, How High
Mobb Deep - Drop A Gem On 'Em
Xzibit - Heart Of Man, X
Arrested Development - Mr. Wendel
Eminem - Infinite, If I Had, White America, Rock Bottom
Pharcyde - Runnin'
CNN - Invincible
Styles P - My Life

Also new tracks I'm enjoying:

Chiddy Bang - The Opposite Of Adults
Nas/Damien Marley - As We Enter

[spanish announce table]

Totally in love with this song and album. I get chills at 3:36 until the end every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHatmJktBLA

[RuneEdge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9bPGRcGj34

[Dubya]

I'm really digging the new Lil' Wayne cd. I like all the rock shit he mixed in. It works for me.

[Simon]

You a ho.

[son_of_foley]

I actually like the Tiesto ft Sean Kingston and 36 mafia song. shit :(

[Fro]

I feel the same way about Beamer, Benz or Bentley by Lloyd Banks

BANGER

[Mark Hammer]

Just rambling but is it just me or is Gucci Mane the worst "rapper" that's ever managed to get a record deal? I hate saying this being from the South but these days Southern rap is horrible, full of talentless thugs who somehow get record deals.

What I really don't understand about Gucci is how he gets so much adoration. He's absolutely terrible. Garbage pre-school lyrics that he can't even deliver without mumbling. Just awful, I wish he'd fuck off already.

[Bert]

I agree completely. He's fucking horrendous.
Proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7HO62Hmkg4
He took a shit song and made it even shittier. Something I didn't think was possible.
I love him mumbling "Oh" and saying his name throughout the song. :no:

[Mark Hammer]

Posting right now from my phone so i cant see the link but is it that Mariah song Obsessed? Good fuck how he ruined any decency that song may have had with his tone deaf singing and ridiculous self-endorsement.

It's sad when "street cred" matters more than talent and delivery and unfortunately that's the state Southern hip hop is in these days (with a few obvious exceptions like T.I. and Wayne). It's just as much the fault of the mindless fans who pay for this talentless garbage as anyone.

[McBain]

A ridiculous amount of pointless overdubs in that song.

But for the most part it sounds like most shit rnb duets you hear.

[Fro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-9e3hCvE28

[Fro]

http://content.onsmash.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/wumassacre-cover-500x500.jpg

http://rapidshare.com/files/369041471/Method_Man_Ghostface_And_Raekwon-Wu-Massacre-2010-C4.rar.html

[Tyson]

The Wu = legends.

[Fro]

No doubt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH2dF_0rNyQ&feature=related

[Fro]

This Wu-Massacre album is pretty good (not great) but it's extremely short at about 30 minutes.

Dangerous is a banger.

[Ringo]

I'm really enjoying it, but yeah, too short.

[Fro]

http://videos.onsmash.com/v/fsPUR6bWL41rnsjT

Hot video for Rae's Canal Street.

[Fro]

Anyone into K'naan? He's playing in Boston tomorrow night with Wale, I'm gonna try to go.

[BBF]

He's ok but I'd be more excited to see Wale.

Jay Burna is the next big thing, I reckon. He should take off soon.

[son_of_foley]

Jay Electronica for me.

[BBF]

I haven't heard him before but I'll check him out when I get home from work. :yes:

[Tyson]

RIP ODB. :cry:

[Miotch]

You're aware the man has been dead for nearly 5 and 1/2 years, right?

[Miotch]

Pretty cool...

http://www.waitwhatmusic.com/files/notoriousxx.html

[Morrison]

You're aware the man has been dead for nearly 5 and 1/2 years, right?

and we're not even close to either his birthday or death day.

[Morrison]

Pretty cool...

http://www.waitwhatmusic.com/files/notoriousxx.html

why the fuck was that dumb puffy song used for crystalized?

[BBF]

I listened to The Pursuit of Drizzy and So Far Gone again today.

Fucking love Drake.

[Simon]

Serious business, everyone needs to jump on the Bashy bandwagon because the guy is fucking quality. He's been freestyling over some commercial stuff recently and absolutely killing it.

YouTube- Bashy - Black Boys (Official Video)

YouTube- Bashy - 4 oclock

YouTube- Bashy - My Nightmare

YouTube- Bashy - Never Be Your Woman Freestyle (Wiley Cover)

YouTube- Bashy - Pass Out Freestyle (TINIE TEMPAH COVER)

Learn to love. Bashy aka Bish Bash Bosh aka Triple B aka Bashy the Whizzkid aka Ashley Thomas - the next big thing.