Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[spanish announce table]

I heard they pushed back Rakim's album for some newcomer out of Brooklyn. Dre's got his priorities backwards.

Is The Ownerz still set for June 24?

[50 Cent]

Ownerz is still set for June 24th they dropped Right Where U Stand as the new single with Kiss.

There is no point in anticipating Rakims new album, its never coming out.

This Joe Budden album is mad nice, hes got some garbage on it, but nucca is actually talking about something, while other rappers just talk the same shit, hes saying stuff, that 10 min track is straight fire.

Ownerz is my next purchase, and hopefully Urban Legend will drop soon.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

BAH to you. Because the threads look identical.

This thread shouldnt exist.

[50 Cent]

WHY THE FUCK DID U REVIEW CRAPTALICA IN A HIP HOP DISCUSSION?

[Webbicho]

Originally posted by Aussie_Outlaw
BAH to you. Because the threads look identical.
True I made that mistake many a time.



This thread shouldnt exist.

Now your just being a dickhead.

Metalica Rules :yes:

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I meant post. But hey we all make mistakes.

[QuietStorm]

I bought Illogic's "Unforseen Shadows" and "Got Lyrics" albums today from sandboxautomatic. I first heard him on the Aesop Rock "One Brick" song and decided I had to hear more.

Going down the alphabetical list there, I saw a title that intrigued me in Insight's "Updated Software V. 2.5" double disc. I remembered he did the production on Mr. Lif's great "I Phantom" album and that was enough for me. Well, not quite enough. I did go to Amazon and listened to the 5 samples they had there. It all sounded great and he sounded like he has a very dope flow.

So, for $46 I have 3 hopefully very good albums coming to me next week. Happy happy:).

Oh...and after this stuff arrives, I am going to order the Gang Starr album from them. With it you get the official Gang Starr t-shirt plus a poster for only 22 bucks. Very hyped for that album.

Later you all. Peace and Love.

[Simon]

Obie Trice's album will suck a massive nut.

[spanish announce table]

Originally posted by HB2K3
Obie Trice's album will suck a massive nut.

and it'll probably still go gold because it will feature and Eminem appearance or two :(

[Raw Is Jonathan]

When's Gangstarr's album coming out?

[QuietStorm]

In the U.S it comes out June 24th.

[AfterMath Limitz]

It's supposed to be out june 24th but i heard that it might be delayed.. but then again that can be bs...

[spanish announce table]

I heard someone already leaked it, but again, could be total BS

[Suno]

I got SKIIIIILZZZZZZ!@!@!

[QuietStorm]

Ok, the new Canibus single is straight fire!!!

NOBODY can make fun of this beat. Stoupe has done it again. Bis is back!!!

Hit me up with a PM and I'll give you a link to it.

[QuietStorm]

"Spartibus" lyrics...credit to PrOx1mo at Canibus-Central. Not everything is quite accurate I don't think but here is the gyst of it. This song is waaay too ill to get mainstream play...

Stoupe uses a very nice sample from Rakim for the chorus!!!


yo, you wanna spar wit bus? then lets get started cuz
atomic thrust turn you into cosmic dust
bomb your borders wit japenese *Spigot Mortars*
recompose ya composition to *saw dust *
time is breath, breath is life, life is light
light is no less then the capitol C on the mic
beneath the mirage of night i'll attack you twice
prepare to river sacrifice for my ritual right
reinforce my habitual likes and dislikes
then diss you on the mic cuz i'm sick of the hype
no one's ever written what i write compare the calligraphy type
tell me yo how can i not be nice?
the royal semen of ceaser frozen in a cryo-freezer
on sale for seven figures per millileter
legeally illegal i speak to the people
in the form of an eagle on top of the *Thebes cathedral *
with boundless knowledge...like hairless dalia lamas
wit linen garments neatly wrapped around armpits
with monestaries in the mountains..trumpets are already sounded
you can't denounce my crown you Bitch!


Verse 2:

the game is chinese chess...countless issues need to be addressed
before the east nukes the west..totalitarianistic cause and effect
run the words through a decompressor recompress the depth
canibus is the most explosive next to meth
the inconsistency of the text makes me complex
pay attention to bis my attention is this
leave u spacially adrift suspended in the abyss
*but im a white plant owner smell my aroma*
contract *scirrhus sarcoma (or scirrhous carcinoma)* and Retinoblastoma
confederate federal general the electric general
fcc multi directional omni present antenna poles
IFF identification friend or foe
this areas they restrict don't let em through
he'll mock your style ...rock you to the ground
with the bite force of a *sicacidus* crocidile
travel a fiber optic mile before you can smile
so dont ask me why...and dont ask how

Verse 3:

till i'm impressed with the print i can hear a pin drop like sprint
once it blends i can stop right then
quantam coupled mechanizms and techinical shit
confuses you but i dont think you're any less of a dick
just define what is poetry and what is rap
i demonstrate how to effectively bridge the gap
the answer is simple in fact
if the protons don't attack the retina all we'd ever see is black
no ability no extra-occular motility silly emcees
can't see me lyrically or visually they'll never be better than me
i'll triple team 'em with a trinity 7 to 3 and then i'll give em 9 enemies
climb back to periscope depth in 2 hours
surrender and throw in the towel
the amalgam of the ultimate album
this is spartibus power

[Simon]

Oh my Christ when will you learn that no one cares about Canibus?

[QuietStorm]

Oh my Christ when will you learn that no one cares about Canibus?


QuietStorm - I think I've done a U-Turn on Canibus and now I really really can't get enough of this guy. The songs 100 Bars and 2nd Round K.O really did it for me, so did the absolutely ingenius Bis Vs Rip - that's a very inventive song. Haven't heard anything quite like that before.

I'll do as I damn well please. Thank you much.

[Flow]

Haha, he's got a point though mate.

Any KRS-1 recommendations? "Step Into A World" is raw quality.

[50 Cent]

Bis is wack, he needs to retire or start a peace mission in Isareal, and never come back. His talents are needed in middle east not in rap music.

[Webbicho]

/me shakes head

And your username is 50 cent? Both have thier own niche ordiance to fit. While 50 appeals to kids, Cannibus appeals to people who look for something different in hip hop.

Both sides of this arguement should leave it. 50 and Cannibus are both easy to diss... leave it.

[Seanny One Ball]

QuietStorm, why'd Can-I-Bus get slated for "bad production"?
I've listened to it a fair bit and I don't see any outstandingly bad tunes or whatever, it's not as good as 2000BC and it's quite a bit worse than MicClub, but it's still a good album.

Bis dissed Clef on 2000BC because of the production, I don't get it. It's really not that bad :chin:

[50 Cent]

Certian cats in Jersery city aint grateful

[Simon]

I read on another site possibly the best line in the whole world ever the other day:


Well you can listen to Dilated Peoples and Cormega all you want, but us street cats will stick to 50 Cent.

This person is my hero.

[QuietStorm]

Cormega owns the streets.

Edit: Well, the east at least.

Daz and D.P.G got the west under control.

[QuietStorm]

QuietStorm, why'd Can-I-Bus get slated for "bad production"?
I've listened to it a fair bit and I don't see any outstandingly bad tunes or whatever, it's not as good as 2000BC and it's quite a bit worse than MicClub, but it's still a good album.

Bis dissed Clef on 2000BC because of the production, I don't get it. It's really not that bad :chin:

The reviewer for Blaze magazine said that the beats on Can-I-Bus were bad so stupid little Wyclef walks up in there and pulls a gun out on him. Then everyone else started to follow suit like the little leeches that they are. Canibus has had to live with the reputation of having bad beats ever since. The production on Can-I-Bus wasn't the strongest ever but it was still quite underrated. I remember the second time I heard Buckingham Palace (the first time I was saying "holy shit" about the lyrics) I was saying "holy shit" about the beat. Still is my favorite Canibus solo song ever.

When Canibus says "motherfucking Wyclef spoiled it" on 2000 B.C, I think he was referring more to the gun incident and not necessarily to the beats. I don't think Bis has never really cared a whole hell of a lot about the beats anyways. Like he said, "I frog leap over awful beats". But Stoupe looks to be changing all of that.

As for Spartibus, after listening to it many times over now, I am somewhat disappointed. Don't get me wrong, I still think it is very hot. But for a single? The first verse is all 2000 B.C but then after that he goes into MiClub mode and gets all scientific on us. Regular fans don't really want to hear that stuff on the radio. In fact, I don't think I have ever heard a song like that on the radio. It won't get any airplay. Badass song though. It'll be in my car until July 22nd.

[Suno]

I might peep the new Bis album If stope is producing it, he's a sick sick producer, on some RZA type shit.

[Suno]

Oh and I also just purchased Joe Buddens album.

Heres a quick first listen review.

ILLNESS!!!

For all the haters out there who be trying to pigeon hole Budden this album will shut up the cunts. It has a very nice balance of commercial/club joints, which are fucking hot joints mind, and then theres the other tracks, tracks like Pusha Man, Walk With Me, 10 Minutes and what not that will seriously make some of the nay sayers fuck up, because they're on some deep lyrical illness, tip, this is the best album Ive heard all the way through for a minute now. SICK!

[QuietStorm]

I am not a big Buddens fan but Walk With Me and 10 Minutes are 2 very good songs I must say.

[QuietStorm]

If anyone wants a good summer album to ride to this summer most definitely get Young Roscoe's album "Philaphornia". It is bumping like whoa.

[50 Cent]

Tracks like 10 Minutes, Walk With Me, Calm Down remind me of Pac, no nigga has ever gotten deep as Pac ever, but fuck Budden is damn close. The album is hot like I said def a 4 mic album. Hes got some wack club shit on there, but the album is great, he actually talks about something instead of the bling bling shit.

Cormega is one of the best rappers right now, def most conisistent right now.

Nas
Mega
Face

3 of the most consistent rappers right now.

[spanish announce table]

:yes: The Ownerz in 4 days

[jesus sucks]

The album might grow on me. That white boy producer can make some good beats tho. Pusha man and Focus are both fucking TUNES!

[Gang-Busta]

Is anybody a bone thugs fan?

[QuietStorm]

Sorta...as in, I am a huge Bizzy Bone fan but now that he is officially kicked out I don't have much reason to listen to them. Eternal was a classic album though.

Hey SAT, Premo samples Canibus on the title track for the album. "One two, one two...shot of vodka and gin". Very nice. The album is pure Gang Starr. Just about exactly what I was expecting. Premo proves he is arguably the best producer on the east coast.

[Melv]

I bought Budden's album today - just finished listening to it.

Best overall album I've heard in a while, not one song I don't like. Pump it up, Pusha Man, Focus and 10 Mins in particular rule.

[jesus sucks]

I like the Just Blaze style production in Pusha Man.

[spanish announce table]

yeah QS, I heard about the sample. I'm getting this album for sure (Militia part 3!!)

What do you guys think of INS's new one?

[Suno]

I like the Just Blaze style production in Pusha Man.

I didnt really like the way Just Blaze flipped that beat, my main reason being because he didnt you fruit!

W.B produced it, and its hella nice, much like the majority of his cuts on the album.

[jesus sucks]

I said just blaze style you fucking moron. Otherise i would have said I LIKED THE JUST BLAZE BEAT.

I do read the booklets you know.

[Suno]

How is it 'just blaze style you fucking moron', It dosnt sound nothing like a just blaze beat, Focus sounds like a just blaze beat and so does Gansta Lean but Pusha Man dont.

[jesus sucks]

It does. the little chant and the drums. infact the whole song does. I just can't see it any other way.

Just Blaze never used to do all this poppy shit he's doing now. Like 2000/2001 he was the best producer out there.

[50 Cent]

The Get By remix is hot. Talib Kweli is wicked, even Jesus was stoned before he was throned nigga.

Gangstarr Tuesday cant fucking wait, hopefully it comes out in Canada on time.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Joe Budden's worth checking out then?

Any people from UK know a release date for Gangstarr?

[spanish announce table]

I got the new Gangstarr. This is definitely album of the year. Is Inspectah Deck's album good? I want to get that one too.

I also heard Spartibus today. That track is sick!

[strange famous]

Is Inspectah Deck's album good? I want to get that one too.



skip the deck album, its not that good, pretty corny if you ask me. but i'm an ol' wu fan, i don't like any of the new stuff they've put out the last few years...and i don't think there is any rza production on it.

sin six

sin six: bomb atomicly, socrates philosophies

[50 Cent]

I wonder if heaven got a ghetto

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, I agree that Gang Starr dropped a hell of an album. But they didn't even have the best album released on June 24th. There is a better one out there. Figure that one out for yourself.

[Simon]

Who the hell is Boy Big? I hope Big Boi slaps him up for being a name thief and then suffocates him with his wig. Boy Big my hairy arse.

That is the dodgiest sounding sentence for some reason. Maybe because if you rearrange it, it could say 'My hairy arse, big boy'...

[spanish announce table]

:lol: HB2K3. I thought that was a typo.

*sings along* "1,2..1,2...shot to the chin...knock you out...devastating"

I was kind of pissed off that "The Natural" wasn't on this album. I heard that about a year and a half ago and that's what sparked interest in this album for me

[Simon]

And now welcoming our special support acts! Dre the Doctor! Snoop the dog! The Exhibit! Half a dollar!

Christ sake.

[Simon]

Canabitch looks a bit like Heath Ledger. But black.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I'm feelin' that Si!

Yeah, I can really see it.

Oh, I'd Boy Big you're hairy arse too...

[QuietStorm]

He looks like he is ready to rip out your spleen.

[Simon]

Caaaaaaanabitch.

Canadabitch.

[QuietStorm]

While Eminem fronts as a soldier, who is really doing time in the army? Hmmm.

[Simon]

Couldn't give two shits about the army. Eminem can rap. Canabis can recite from his Biology book. Whoop-de-doo, if I had a solar-powered voicebox like he seems to have, I could do what he does.

[QuietStorm]

How many MC's must get dissed before somebody says don't fuck with Bis?

The man is the complete package. And if you think otherwise then you obviously have not heard enough of his material.

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, I agree that Gang Starr dropped a hell of an album. But they didn't even have the best album released on June 24th. There is a better one out there. Figure that one out for yourself.

Oh and for anyone curious...

Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Everyone

[Simon]

The man is the complete package. And if you think otherwise then you obviously have not heard enough of his material.I've heard enough...maybe 50 songs stored on my computer. I'd say if he needs more than that to prove that he's a good rapper, he can't be a good rapper :\.

And KRS has sucked for years. The man got bitched out by Nelly for Christ's sake.

[QuietStorm]

How did he get bitched out by Nelly? He destroyed him in the song he made. Nelly never responded.

KRS-One never fell off.

[Simon]

Nelly took him in that feud, no doubt. People don't want to hear it, because A) It's Nelly and B) It's KRS-One, but Nelly took him, clean and simple. KRS is growing old disgracefully, and couldn't even manage the tiny bit of credit he might have captured from taking Nelly.

[QuietStorm]

Good night Nelly.

* [CHORUS]
My rhymes still be ill
You don't really want it
I suggest you chill
You don't really want it
#1 I'm still
You don't really want it
The prophecy is fulfilled
You don't really want it
KRS in the streets
You don't really want it
I drop the rawest beats
You don't really want it
No ice just heat
You don't really want it
Playa face defeat

That was a nice try Nelly
I don't mean to be bold, but put that "Hot in herre" bullshit on hold
And let's get down to the facts of the matter
In the dictionary under wack rap, you the rapper
It's simply cuz you're lacking the spectacular vernacular
And hip hop's character seems to be in back of ya
Either that or you're truly amateur
I'm askin ya, how does it feel to have the whole world laughin at ya?
You just too stupid to see
I was made on the streets, you was made on MTV
How you gonna talk about my nose to attack me?
When you steady guzzlin them pills for your acne?
My nose comes from a line of kings
Your acne comes from you eatin the wrong things
Your words don't make me hurt, they make you work
You'll hurt when you find it's you gettin jerked
I tell ya, it don't take me to say
Don't buy your album, street cats ain't buyin it anyway
You tellin me make up my mind
Yet on your album, you don't know if you wanna sing, or rhyme

[CHORUS]

You tryin to diss me? How?
If it wasn't for the true-school your bitch-ass wouldn't be here now
Blau blau, show me respect from the gate
Or I'ma have to drown you kids like Andrea Yates
You can't handle the break, I'm a flamethrowa, you a bic lighta
You think I'm cocky cuz you a dickrida
I spit tighter
I'm not like all the rest I'm not a playa but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express
So nevertheless I'ma teach ya, teach ya
But when them slugs hit you, you'll be screamin, "Momma, EI! EI!"
You never seen me sing? You don't know what I bring?
You'll be singing the blues like BB King
I'm all about the unity of Miss and Mistas
You all about grabbin money and dissin our sistas
Take your ass back to TV land
And let this be a lesson, you can't see me man!

[CHORUS]

Just when I thought I could do my gospel
And become an apostle I got a whole to get hostile
I don't mean to knock ya Nelly
But ain't you that MTV house nigga with a spine like jelly?
I'ma do this by the book, for the art
I heard what you said on BET's 106 and Park
But what you don't know, is right around the corner on 3rd
I hold a Desert Eagle, and no, it's not a bird
You sound absurd, you're gonna bring ME back?
I taught all year round the spot ??? had
Copycat, with sloppy raps, you chill with N'Sync, I chill where hip hop be at

[CHORUS]

[Simon]

-Nelly releases a song called #1 which contains nothing against KRS whatsoever

-KRS, realising he is essentially a nobody nowadays, ignored by all except the old school who remember how he used to be before he went on some preaching shit, decides to take this is a diss and reclaim some fame off Nelly's name. That bit was rhymalicious, I could be a rapper. :cool:

-So anyway, Nelly rips KRS on Rock Da Mic, showing him up for the tired old rapper who can't accept his time is over.

-KRS, rather than come back with any really hard diss, starts whining about how people shouldn't buy Nelly's record. In an era where record sales are at an all-time low, this guy shows enough disrespect for hip-hop (and whether you like Nelly or not, he is still a representative of hip-hop) that he wants people not to buy his records, makes him a dick.

-KRS backs down and says him and Nelly are friends really.

Nelly killed him.

[QuietStorm]

You say all this yet you don't even mention either of the two hard diss songs that KRS-One made. Way to make it sound as if Nelly did win.

Actually, it was a win in itself for Nelly. He realized he can't battle with the big boys. He can go on doing what he is good at now.

[QuietStorm]

Honestly, how do you feel Nelly won?

* [Intro]
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)

[Interlude]
Blaow Blaow!!! Blaow Blaow!!! Clear em out clear 'em out!!! Word!

[Verse 1]
Yo Nelly! You ain't Fo'Reel and you ain't Universal
Your whole style sounds like a N'Sync commercial
Ignoramus, I'm the baddest with the mic apparatus
Challengin the God of rap is madness, I'll snatch your status
With this ugly lookin billboard you could stop them
But I got enough albums to make my own top ten
You limited, like the spread of traffic
You bite my style off the radio so when you speak you bet I hear the static
You better Chillout like Chuck, I kick like three Norrises
One of my sixteen bar rhymes is eight of your choruses
Of course it is ridiculous
Watch out, I begin to curve indispicuous
Gotcha! On your, hands and knees
Ain't it about time for some real emcees?

[Chorus]
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)
The real hip hop is ova (Here!!!!)

[Verse 2]
(Uh!) Uh! We on the hunt tonight
When you see me comin, I don't front I fight
People say I'm contradictin, cause I'm all about peace
To say the least with a violent history
It ain't no mystery these rappers wanna get with me
My people don't see that all they hear is stop hittin me, huh
Stop beatin me Chris, you want to help my career Nelly?
Well you can help if you don't exist, huh
I think it's 'bout time we stop these pop rappers
Fuck these pop rappers, hip hop does matter to me
Does it matter to you? My crew
If it does, you know what the hell to do
Throw your guns in the air, pump it like yeah
Let these bitch ass rappers know we in here
Go to the shows huh, boo 'em off stage
Tell 'em KRS told you they at the end of they days
Let me tell you let's give hip hop a lift
And don't buy Nelly's album on June twenty fifth
That'll send a message to all them sellouts
House nigga rapper, your bottom done fell out
You don't even know how
I told you I wasn't talkin about you then, but I'm talkin about you now!
Blaow! one to the kness, blaow one goes right through
Even St. Louis don't like you!!!!

[Seanny One Ball]

Don't underrate the underdog - Ja beat 50 and it sounds like Nelly may not have beaten KRS, but he certainly showed he isn't a pushover. I don't rate Nelly at all, but I've never been a fan of KRS - I do think that it's ridiculous to get all pissed off because the guy made a song called number 1. Did he get pissed off when Jay made "The Blueprint"[ and he'd already done that?

On the issue of Canibus: I'm feeling him more than I am Eminem, way more. Em has made one album that I really liked - the others are ok, but not at all as good as the Slim Shady LP.
Canibus hasn't made an album I didn't like, apart from True Hollywood stories which I haven't heard yet.
He's hungry to be the best, Eminem lost that a while ago when people started claiming he was the great white hope that conquered the black industry. Bis is better, Eminem is bitter.

[QuietStorm]

I wouldn't recommend getting CTHS. He has a few stellar tracks on there like The Rip Off, Box Cutter Blade Runner, R U Lyrically Fit, and A Different Vibe In LA but it is evident his intent with the album is to mock everything out there and listening to it seems to change peoples opinion of Canibus as a whole. I think he made it to get his name out there since negative criticism is better than nothing at all but it kind of backfired. Oh well. Have you heard his "How Many MC's" track off of The Brainstream yet? Laid back sickness. One of my favorite songs by him ever.

And I agree, the Slim Shady LP is the only album where Eminem was his true self and showed off the extent of his skills. Everything since then has just been meh.


As for Nelly and KRS-One, KRS did blitz him and Nelly did drop Kris' name in Number 1 which is why KRS got peeved but I guess it is over now. They both took their shots, KRS' being greater in my opinion and now it is in the past. Wasn't even really a battle as no one takes Nelly seriously as a battle rapper but at least it gave KRS something to do.

And his new album "Kristyles" is really good so everyone should take notice. Especially the track Underground. I have that on constant rotation right now. Peace all.

Edit: And Ja didn't just beat 50. He beat that whole squad including Feminem:).

[Suno]

I got back from Anger Management this morning, show was off the meat rack!!!!

I was quite near the front too so that was nice.

Doors opened at 2 but first act wasn't until like 6.15 so we had to put with faggot ass Tim Westwood for a good minute, but then Xzibit hit the fucking stage.

Now I am quite a big Xzibit fan, and after seeing the dude rip it up live, I am now a much bigger fan. Set highlights were 'Bitch Pleae', 'What U See Is What U Get', 'Paparazzi', 'Drugs N Alcohol', 'Alcoholic', 'Get Your Walk On', 'Sympthony in X Major' and 'X', by far my favourite act of the night, Xzibit kept the crowd live and hyped em up all through his set, and his voice is soooo fucking dope live, it resounds over the beat which was at some fucking volume too, and he had one dude supporting him, and really he didnt need it, the man has impecible breath control, the whole place was live for X to tha Z!.

The it was Cypress Hill, and I was more than Happy they chose to perform all their old shit, Hits From the Bong, How could I Just Kill Man, Insane in the brain, Pigs, I wanna Get High, I aint Goin Out Like That, When The Shit Goes Down, Cock The Hammer, Hand on the Glock and some others i can't remember off the top, but they were very sick live.

Then it was time for Eminem, he took fucking ages to come out, I guess it has somethin to do with preparing his props and stage set and Pyro, shit started getting mad in the crowd, a 50'000 strong bottle throwing ruck, people were getting busted open and smacked in the face by litre bottles of water and shit, and it was hella funny, quite a site.

The rawkus only got louder when Eminem hit the stage, where he performed Square Dance to open, the audience was clearly going fucking nuts, it was clear that most Eminem fans here wernt hip-hop heads, but it was all good, I was only really getting into his set with some of the songs I knew, like Kill You, Im Back, Stan, The Way I Am, most of it was 8 Mile and TES show shit, although he did perform his verse from Forgot About Dre and the highlight of the set where he brought out Xzibit for Whats The Difference, X fucking ripped it, where as Eminem was relying on the crowd and Xzibit and Proof to support him, X is the fucking man. It was a good show that he put on, lots of Pyro and a nice set with all these video montages, his performance was alright, was a bit fucked up that he didnt spit his own shit him self and had all the members of D12 and Trice spitting half of his verses for him, but still I kinda expected it.

50 Cent wasn't there, was a shame, but I wasn't that bothered, I had an immense time, Milton Keynes Bowl is a sick place to hold a concert, 65'000 strong, and if anything the experience showed me that Xzibit is the fucking don.

[QuietStorm]

Gotta respect Kris for this...


From MTV:

NEW YORK — Even though it's due in stores today, KRS-One has done everything he can to make sure nobody buys his latest album — at least not yet.

"This is insane, this is insane, this is so egregious, this is so devious," KRS-One fumed on Monday, angry at Koch Records' plan to release an album by him called Kristyles. The Bronx battle king, alleging that the record Koch was putting out not only did a disservice to him as an artist and a businessman, but that it was an affront to hip-hop culture as a whole, won a court injunction on Monday to stop its release.

"They don't have the full album," KRS explained. "They have stuff that I wasn't even putting on the album. I have no idea what's on the album [Koch put together]. I don't know what the artwork looks like, I don't know what the album credits look like, I don't know nothing. What they did was go behind my back and release the album. I got word just in the nick of time last week. I got my legal team together and we slapped them with a court order to cease the distribution and the pressing and manufacturing of this album."

Despite KRS' efforts, Kristyles had already been shipped out and was being sold by some stores on Tuesday.

KRS-One said he's still working on his album, which he plans on calling The Kristyle, and trying to secure appearances from Dirt McGirt and Wesley Snipes. But ODB and Snipes aren't the only things missing from the version Koch has assembled; the disc also lacks KRS' tribute to Jam Master Jay.

"Do they care about the death of Jam Master Jay?" he continued. "Oh, you mean to tell me that the fake album you're putting out right now, you omitted KRS-One's tribute to Jam Master Jay? Oh no, no, no. That's ridiculous. That's wack. This is a problem. This ain't about no money, this ain't about me not selling a record, this is about principle. We cannot allow these record companies to dictate to us how we are going to present hip-hop to the world."

KRS-One also said he's upset about Koch's naming the disc Kristyles rather than The Kristyle, which he explained is an acronym for "To have everything, keep radiating in sprit through your love everyday."

He said the last conversation he had with Koch was sometime in early May, when he and the label discussed pushing the album back from its June 24 release date because issues had to be resolved concerning the LP's press campaign, the video shoot for a first single and a photo shoot for the album's packaging.

The legendary MC, who said The Kristyle was supposed to spell the end of his contractual obligations to Koch, also divulged that his talks with the label ceased after the company's execs insisted on communicating only through both parties' lawyers.

On Tuesday Koch released a statement about the injunction reading: "Koch and [its hip-hop/R&B imprint] In the Paint Records do not comment on the specifics of pending litigations. They believe that they have acted appropriately and expect to be vindicated in court."

KRS-One said the album he's still working on could be released as soon as the next few weeks. He plans to sell it for $10 through the phone number (866) HIP-HOP-9 and on his summer tour of the West Coast and Midwest. He also plans to make the LP available for download on KaZaA.

"I don't need my fans to buy my music," he explained. "My music is free, basically. I appreciate when people buy my music, but I'm not going to sit here while some company rips my fans off."

KRS-One and Koch are due back in court on Friday for a hearing to determine whether the injunction will be upheld.

—Shaheem Reid

[50 Cent]

WOWIZZLE This fucking Gangstarr album is awesome, fucking real hip hop, ur girl want me because I do it better then u the whole world want me nucca im a legend 2 u.

Right where u stand is my shit, Jadamuwah ripped that shit.

Album of the year so far.

[50 Cent]

I don't give a fuck

[Simon]

I got back from Anger Management this morning, show was off the meat rack!!!!

I was quite near the front too so that was nice.

Doors opened at 2 but first act wasn't until like 6.15 so we had to put with faggot ass Tim Westwood for a good minute, but then Xzibit hit the fucking stage.

Now I am quite a big Xzibit fan, and after seeing the dude rip it up live, I am now a much bigger fan. Set highlights were 'Bitch Pleae', 'What U See Is What U Get', 'Paparazzi', 'Drugs N Alcohol', 'Alcoholic', 'Get Your Walk On', 'Sympthony in X Major' and 'X', by far my favourite act of the night, Xzibit kept the crowd live and hyped em up all through his set, and his voice is soooo fucking dope live, it resounds over the beat which was at some fucking volume too, and he had one dude supporting him, and really he didnt need it, the man has impecible breath control, the whole place was live for X to tha Z!.

The it was Cypress Hill, and I was more than Happy they chose to perform all their old shit, Hits From the Bong, How could I Just Kill Man, Insane in the brain, Pigs, I wanna Get High, I aint Goin Out Like That, When The Shit Goes Down, Cock The Hammer, Hand on the Glock and some others i can't remember off the top, but they were very sick live.

Then it was time for Eminem, he took fucking ages to come out, I guess it has somethin to do with preparing his props and stage set and Pyro, shit started getting mad in the crowd, a 50'000 strong bottle throwing ruck, people were getting busted open and smacked in the face by litre bottles of water and shit, and it was hella funny, quite a site.

The rawkus only got louder when Eminem hit the stage, where he performed Square Dance to open, the audience was clearly going fucking nuts, it was clear that most Eminem fans here wernt hip-hop heads, but it was all good, I was only really getting into his set with some of the songs I knew, like Kill You, Im Back, Stan, The Way I Am, most of it was 8 Mile and TES show shit, although he did perform his verse from Forgot About Dre and the highlight of the set where he brought out Xzibit for Whats The Difference, X fucking ripped it, where as Eminem was relying on the crowd and Xzibit and Proof to support him, X is the fucking man. It was a good show that he put on, lots of Pyro and a nice set with all these video montages, his performance was alright, was a bit fucked up that he didnt spit his own shit him self and had all the members of D12 and Trice spitting half of his verses for him, but still I kinda expected it.

50 Cent wasn't there, was a shame, but I wasn't that bothered, I had an immense time, Milton Keynes Bowl is a sick place to hold a concert, 65'000 strong, and if anything the experience showed me that Xzibit is the fucking don.Agree with all of that. Quality, quality, quality. Fuck reviews.

Especially agree with:


Milton Keynes Bowl is a sick place to hold a concert

It had such a festival atmosphere and it's so well made, apparently you have a perfect view even from right at the back...luckily I was down near the front where you would have been.

Wish I'd seen more of Xzibit though, all I saw was Bitch Please during Em's set.

What day did you go?

Oh also, having gone out to to buy the Gangstarr album, I ended up coming back with...

Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Cypress Hill - Temple Of Boom

(I'm on their dicks so much since seeing them it isn't even funny. WHEN THE SHIT GOES DOOOOOOOOOOWN.)

Also,

Redman - Whut? Thee Album
Nas - Illmatic

Cypress Hill rule all.

[Simon]

Oh by the way, that whole lot cost me £20. For 5 quality CDs. Virgin is the bestest.

[Suno]

Agree with all of that. Quality, quality, quality. Fuck reviews.

Especially agree with:



It had such a festival atmosphere and it's so well made, apparently you have a perfect view even from right at the back...luckily I was down near the front where you would have been.

Wish I'd seen more of Xzibit though, all I saw was Bitch Please during Em's set.

What day did you go?

Oh also, having gone out to to buy the Gangstarr album, I ended up coming back with...

Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Cypress Hill - Temple Of Boom

(I'm on their dicks so much since seeing them it isn't even funny. WHEN THE SHIT GOES DOOOOOOOOOOWN.)

Also,

Redman - Whut? Thee Album
Nas - Illmatic

Cypress Hill rule all.

I went on monday, I cued for fucking years, me and my mates all got split up, me and my mate got through first and pegged it down to the front, but instead of going through the gate that would've sat us right on top of the fucking stage, like the best view in the house we went throught the wrong gate and was in the front of the second section and the cunt stewards wouldnt let us out, still though sweet view, and we was all amongst the rukus and shit so I was lovin that! Some dude got smake like three times in a row with a bottle write in front of me, hilarious!

[Simon]

It sounds a lot more vicious on your night, it was all jokes and laughter when people were throwing bottles on Sunday. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw a shoe being thrown around...some poor bastard...

[spanish announce table]

Kristyles isn't even a real release? That's just greedy on Koch's behalf because they know it will move units

[QuietStorm]

Funny thing is I got this off of mIRC a few days ago and it is a very good album. I had planned on buying it until I saw all this. "Underground" is the best hip hop song I have heard so far this year. Hopefully he puts it on the real version of his album.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

20 quid for that lot?!

Not bad at all!

[50 Cent]

DMX Grand Champ September 9th Nucca's get ready, the dog is back to bring the game back to the gutter and bring brack the grime.

If it aint rought it aint me if aint rough it aint D M to the X most yall niggas is straight sex *gun shots* NEXT!

Niggas don't want shit with the dog, hes coming back.

PRIMO and JIGGA reunite for two tracks for the Black Album, the retirment niggas are bringing straight heat this fall.

[Flow]

DMX's new album's gonna be called 'Grand Champ'? ... nice name...

I'll be looking to get the new Jigga, DMX and KRS-One albums when they come out.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Anyone wanna like list all the albums due out this year?

Pretty please?

[Suno]

Sales are sick!

Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus
Ghostface Killah - Ironman
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Warren G - Regulate...G Funk Era

At a total of 27 quid!

[spanish announce table]

Question about Redman's "Dead People" song: is it on an upcoming album, or is it just making mix tape rounds?

[Suno]

Dunno SAT, but I cant find that shit on Kazaa, pisses me off, hella dope track mind, and its a rare nice Eminem beat too, I mean shiat!

[QuietStorm]

http://flashenhanced.com/canibus/canibus.swf

:hyper:

[spanish announce table]

what is that a link to? it just showed a blank screen for me

[QuietStorm]

It is the intro to the Canibus page that Babygrande is going to put up. Works for me.

That beat is sick. Hope it is on RTJ.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Owernz and Budden arrived this morning...

FUCKING YES!

Got Nas - I am... too today :yes: £6.99 at HMV, it was rude not to at that price!

Fucking bang on though, all of em, knew I could count on your opinions!

Still waiting on talib kweli's quality and mobb deep's the infamous though...

[Simon]

Let me know what Quality is like, I was gonna buy that the other day but got Big L instead.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I will do, when it fucking arrives.

:mad:

I've got Nas - I am, It Was Written, Gang Starr - Ownerz, Joe Budden and LL Cool J - All World after ordering it.

[Ronald McDonald]

Review for.. Ludacris - Word of Mouf coming.

[QuietStorm]

Rakim album coming this summer. Woooooot!

[Simon]

Details? I'd like to hear him on some up-to-date beats.

[Blackhawk]

Ja Rule - Venni Vetti Vecci

This is back when Ja was an excellent MC. When I bought the album I didn't know what to expect, I liked his single, Holla, but that was all I had heard. He had a good voice and nice flow, so I decided to try my luck with the cd. I fell in love with it after listening to it a few times. Good combination of topics, nice production, you could feel the passion coming from him. This Ja could have been a real force in hip hop, too bad he turned into such a terrible rapper down the line, maybe his next album, Black Dove or whatever will see the return of the Ja Rule from his debut album.


8.5/10 - Good production, diverse lyrics, feeling in his music

Not a real review, but numbers for his other albums

Rule 3:36 - 6/10 Few good songs, lot of filler crap too

Whatever his other albums were after his sophomore - 2/10 each, heard one or two decent songs off of them and the rest crap

[jesus sucks]

:lol: this morning I finally binned my Joe Budden CD. That is easily the worst album I've bought in my 10 years of buying rap CD's.

I didn't even bother minidiscing the best couple of songs, cos his flow is fucking awful. Stay well away. I can just imagine the CD going "NOOoooooooo" in an annoying joe budden/dr evil esque voice as its crushed in the rubbish dump.

[Melv]

:lol: this morning I finally binned my Joe Budden CD. That is easily the worst album I've bought in my 10 years of buying rap CD's.

I didn't even bother minidiscing the best couple of songs, cos his flow is fucking awful. Stay well away. I can just imagine the CD going "NOOoooooooo" in an annoying joe budden/dr evil esque voice as its crushed in the rubbish dump.
You must have bought a dodgy copy or something then... because the Budden album's FAR better than most new albums out there...

[jesus sucks]

Shows what you know then.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

No, it shows what you know Jesus Sucks.

The Budden album is class.

Growing on me by the day.

[jesus sucks]

Coming from you that's funny.... you're the one who makes threads about what CD to buy.

Budden is a pile of shit. Get some people to reccomend you some good stuff.

[QuietStorm]

I agree with jesus sucks on this issue. Besides for Walk With Me this album is trash:\.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I make threads about classic cd's yes, and look for people's opinions, doesn't mean I don't have opinions of my own.

Walk With Me is my favourite on the album I'll admit that. I can't see how you can say its trash though.

I've seen a few people agree with me on this in other threads.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Anyone who's not a twelve year old scouser,

My sister's boyfriend got me Mobb Deep's "Murda Muzik" yeah, just listening to it now.

How does it compare to The Infamous?

Which I've just had to order again as it was out of stock on one site...

Still waiting for 'Quality' too, which I'm not impressed about.

[jesus sucks]

This "12 year old scouser" could give you a track by track head to head of both them Mobb Deep albums but since you know ur rap music better than me and think Joe Budden is the savior of hip hop I won't bother :rolleyes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Saviour, :rofl:

I don't think the albm is wack, which is literally what you've said.

It hasn't blown my mind, and it isn't my favourite album, yet I enjoy the album.

I can live with myself, really I can, but feel free to show us all that you can actually post normally, maybe people will begin to take you seriously, you just never know.

[QuietStorm]

Murda Muzik has it's moments and "Quiet Storm" and "Where Ya Heart At" are two of my favorite Mobb tracks ever. But overall, it just has too much of a commercial feel. And a lot of the songs they left off due to the massive bootlegging of the album:$ were better than some of the ones they left on. Prodigy still had it at that point though (he was great up through his solo album and then proceeded to majorly suck) and proves he has the greatest voice in all of rap. Havoc is ok but since that album he has done the opposite of Prodigy and improved majorly with his rapping. His beats aren't up to par with "The Infamous" and "Hell On Earth" and are more commercial as I said before but overall they are solid. There aren't really any true skip-over tracks at all and if you like the Mobb as I do (where the fuck do you think UMDeepTerp and QuietStorm came from?) then I am sure you will love this album.


And the Buddens album does suck. But that is just my opinion.

[Suno]

Buddens album dosnt suck, and you can say that its 'just my opinion', but you're opinions dont justify that it sucks, because simply it dosnt suck, yup.

Murda Muzik was good, it had more of a polished sound to it than the previous efforts, but as an album it's better than 90% of the stuff that comes out to day, my favourite cuts from the album are Streets Raised Me, Whats Ya Poison feat. Cormega, Let a Ho be a Ho, I'm Going Out, Quietstorm, Where Ya heart at, Can't Fuck Wit, Thug Muzik, The Realest, It's Mine feat. Nas (gotta love the scarface score sample)

I liked that album more than I thought.

[spanish announce table]

What do you guys think of Supreme Clientele? That album was so sick. The production was innovative (Stroke of Death) and Ghost tore up every track

[strange famous]

What do you guys think of Supreme Clientele? That album was so sick. The production was innovative (Stroke of Death) and Ghost tore up every track


its good, but its definitely no ironman. now that cd was SICK!

sin six

sin six: daytona 500 owns

[jesus sucks]

Supreme Clientele is fuckin great. Buck 50, nutmeg, Apollo Kids, la ghost and Childs play were all classics. and I remember when it came out it looked as if the old fashioned wu tang sound was back again but 3 n a half years later and they still need to release another classic.

[jesus sucks]

its good, but its definitely no ironman. now that cd was SICK!


Yeah thats in all time list easily. Best two songs on that: Box in Hand cos it's a 10/10 song and meth tears shit up.... and Winter Warz! omg Capadonna just tears up the whole fucking track and throws it away 4 times over. That is still the most amazing rap verse I've ever heard... No where to go except next show bro!

[Simon]

What's Ya Poison and It's Mine rule.

Walk With Me, Fire and Focus (this may not be on the album, I just searched for songs by him, it sounds old...) are decent, the rest blows...

In summation, Outlandish rule.

Aisha, Aisha, passing me byyyyyyyy

[spanish announce table]

Ew. The Budden/Busta collabo sucks ass.

Wu Banga 101 is one of my favorites off 'Supreme Clientele'

Does anyone know whats up with StreetLife? He damn near outshined Meth on every track off Ticall 2000.

Has Beans been arrested yet?

[QuietStorm]

All of Buddens sucks ass except for Walk With Me.

Supreme Clientele is a great album. And yes that song is one of the best on it.

Not as hard as one might think to outshine Meth. Redman does it on every song they have done together. Although the "Uh Huh" single or whatever it was called by him is really hot. Dunno about StreetLife though.

Beans got arrested but now he is out on bail and back on the Roc tour. What an idiot though. Shooting someone over some girls. It takes a sick mind to ever want to attempt to kill another human being.

[Kris P. Lettus]

its good, but its definitely no ironman. now that cd was SICK!

sin six

sin six: daytona 500 owns

Track for track Supreme Clientel destroys Ironman...

Even though Daytona 500 is one of my favorite songs of all time...

[Webbicho]

All of Buddens sucks ass except for Walk With Me.

Supreme Clientele is a great album. And yes that song is one of the best on it.

Not as hard as one might think to outshine Meth. Redman does it on every song they have done together. Although the "Uh Huh" single or whatever it was called by him is really hot. Dunno about StreetLife though.

Beans got arrested but now he is out on bail and back on the Roc tour. What an idiot though. Shooting someone over some girls. It takes a sick mind to ever want to attempt to kill another human being.
Your being harsh on Meth, I'd say they are pretty much even, and sometimes Red is better, but on the same note, sometimes Meth spits better. Its not like its 75-25% like u suggest.

[Suno]

Redman consistantly shits on Meth, not saying that Meth is bad, but Red is that good, alot of people dont appreciate what Redman has done in hip-hop, he has been arguably the most consistantly dope MC for over a decade.

[spanish announce table]

Redman never gets the credit he deserves. Though some of his albums have too many skits and a couple of filler tracks, he brings a unique style that no one can copy. Now that I think about it, he's probably the only MC that could get away with the "I see dead people" track

[Suno]

Redman is one of the greatest of all time.

[Simon]

Whut? is a classic.

I got Cypress Hill IV and Moment Of Truth by Gang Starr yesterday...not listened to either fo them properly yet, but Premo's beats are the usual :cool:

[spanish announce table]

Man, I cant stop listening to Wu's "Heaterz" today. That beat is so damn ill, and ODB actually sounds sober

[strange famous]

Track for track Supreme Clientel destroys Ironman...

Even though Daytona 500 is one of my favorite songs of all time...


kris p, i respectfully disagree......ironman could be the best wu solo ever. it destroys SC, ok, destroys is extreme, but it is better.

sin six

sin six: daytona 500 still owns

[Hack]

:banghead: :banghead:

[Hack]

[/color]


kris p, i respectfully disagree......ironman could be the best wu solo ever. it destroys SC, ok, destroys is extreme, but it is better.

sin six

sin six: daytona 500 still owns


Ironman better than Liquid Swords, eh? I dont even own Ironman, but you saying that makes me want to.

Wait, better than Cuban Linx, too?

check your PM

[Suno]

I own Ironman and Liquid Swords and I think Liquid Swords is better yo!

DUAL OF THE IRON MIC!!!!

[strange famous]

I own Ironman and Liquid Swords and I think Liquid Swords is better yo!

DUAL OF THE IRON MIC!!!!

liquid swords is a true classic, no doubt.

but i would rank the solos....first rotation only

ironman
liquid swords
cuban linx...
return to the 36 chambers
tical

all are fantastic and the top three could probably be shuffled in any order its that close.

return to the 36 chambers is probably the finest produced album of the group and very underated. tical is amazing, but in this sick group i'll put it fifth.

sin six

sin six: those were the good ol' days.........i miss 'em

[spanish announce table]

Did you guys hear Meth say Wu hasnt had a hit since CREAM?

[Suno]

Redman is better than Meth.

[strange famous]

meth is way better than redman.

sin six

sin six: dare iz a darkside

[Kris P. Lettus]

meth is way better than redman.


I agree...

As far as Wu solo joints go, I'd say Tical is the best.. There are other great ones epecially from the first rotation (e.g Liquid Swords, Return the the 36..: Dirty Version, Cuban Linx, IronMan, etc.).. Yall know they don't even make Return to the 36 chamber of Shoalin: Dirty Version (ODB's first cd) anymore... And mine got stolen.. Someone needs to rip all the tracks and send them to me...

Kris P.

Kris P.:wishing it was still 1994

[Suno]

Nah, Redman is easily better than Method Man

[jesus sucks]

1: Cuban linx
2: Ironman
3: The Dirty verison
4: Liquid Swords
5 Tical

[QuietStorm]

Redman is way better. Meth always seems to unimpress me. I like that new Redman song on the DJ Envy mixtape called "Vicious" or something like that.

[Blackhawk]

Well, just got 5 new albums, listened to em all a couple of times and don't have time to review them, but here's ratings.

Joe Budden - Joe Budden 7.5/10
Good debut album, favorite song on the album would probably be Survivor.

Talib Kweli - Quality 8.5/10
Excellent album, loved pretty much every song on it, like the title of the album suggests, Quality. Favorite song would be Get By, so far.

Talib Kweli and DJ Hi-Tek - Reflection Eternal 9/10
Better album overall than Quality imo, every song on the album just rocks. Favorite song is Good Mourning.

Common - Electric Circus 8/10
Another good album, full of soul and goodness. Not sure of favorite song yet as I've only listened to it once, but a good album.

The Roots - Phrenology 9/10
Another very good buy by me. Need to listen to it more to determine favorite song.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The Roots - Phrenology 9/10
Another very good buy by me. Need to listen to it more to determine favorite song.


From Hip Hop's greatest band to one of music's greatest bands, period... The ecletiveness(is that a word) and flow of the album are amazing...

[Suno]

Things fall apart is better

[QuietStorm]

Damn Suno, you and I really are on the same page on a lot of issues. Both are great albums by The Roots but Things Fall Apart is better. One of my favorite albums ever.

And yes, Blackalicious is amazing as well. I only have Blazing Arrow. I REALLY need to get NIA.

[spanish announce table]

Malik should've had more verses on TFA. I think Dice had even had more than him, but he's good, so it doesnt really bother me.

The collab with Mos is so ill. The beat and chemistry is amazing

It's disrespectful to hear Loon use the same sample that the Roots did on "without a doubt". Thought killed that track, but Loon butchered it

TFA is probably one of my favorite's (after ATLiens and Aquemini) The hidden track is so dope and the poem by Ursula Rucker is really good.

Does anyone know where I can find Organix, Do you want more??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!??, and Illadelph Halflife? I cant seem to find them anywhere here. I recently saw Halflife for $10, but I only had $8 on me :mad:

[Suno]

True say UMDeep, I got Do you want more, but I need to get Illadelph, just a matter of spotting that shit and snatching it up, you shoulda just stole it SAT, and you call your self a rap fan ;)

Damn though, I need if anyone else on Rajah likes Andre Nickatina aka Dre Dog? If not, you need to check his shit, illness.

[spanish announce table]

I was surprised it was only $10 because the DipSet album right beside it was $24 or some ridiculous shit like that. I would've jacked it, but the CD's are all in clear view of the teller

[Suno]

fucking Dipset, 24 notes for that shit, you'd have to pay me to listen to that bullshit. I dont understand why someone would buy let alone listen to there shit.

[spanish announce table]

They've gotta be one of the worst groups ever. Cam is so lazy, and Jim Jones and Juelz are dumb.

Is there any news on Malik B? Black Thought's solo joint?

[50 Cent]

12 songs..............12 producers so much for The Black Album

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I'm not too familar with The Roots.

I'm half tempted to snap up 'Things Fall Apart' and 'Phrenology', worth it?

Who would you compare them to like?

[Prince XL]

Get "Things Fall Apart" for sure.

Still haven't heard phrenology yet so I cant really recommend it.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

:yes:

There's a few cd's I've been meaning to get for a while.

But on all these sites, people who have bought the Roots have bought some dodgy other albums that certainly aren't hip-hop...

Thought someone might be able to give me the run down of what they are like, suppose can't go wrong getting Things Fall Apart first!

[Kris P. Lettus]

Get "Things Fall Apart" for sure.



Get both...

:yes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I'm just gonna buy:

The Roots - Things Fall Apart £5.39

for now.

I did have intentions on getting:

Ice Cube - Greatest Hits £9.99

MOP - Warriorz £9.99

Big Pun - Endangered Species £9.99

but I think I'll save my pennies.

[Kris P. Lettus]

MOP=:yes:

Also look into Eightball & MJG-Coming Out Hard

Classic album from 93 and it's only got like 8 tracks so you might get a lick on it...

[jesus sucks]

I picked up a few CD's today that i've been meaning to get for years n years and never got round to it. Just Filling the last gaps of my collection and trying soem new stuff too...

Gang starr's Moment of truth
Boogie down productions: by all means necessary
Scarface: The Fix
Prodigy: H.N.I.C
Best of De La soul
Eazy E: eazy Duz it (remastered)
Prince Paul: A prince amoung Thieves

[Prince XL]

Ice Cube - Greatest Hits £9.99

MOP - Warriorz £9.99

Big Pun - Endangered Species £9.99



All top CD's. Well worth picking up each one. I mean, apart from taking your boyfriend Hans to dinner what else are you going to do with your dole money?

[strange famous]

Also look into Eightball & MJG-Coming Out Hard

Classic album from 93 and it's only got like 8 tracks so you might get a lick on it...


definitely get 'comin out hard', its classic stuff. i'm sure kris agrees that 'armed robbery' is one of the greatest story telling tracks i've ever heard, eightball's verse in it is insane, totally flawless, not a word out of place. and the 'comin out hard' beat is awesome!

and do you want more?!!!??!!!! is the best roots album. i know no one else agrees with me, but whatever.

and i hate getting alot of cds at one time, i need time to appriciate a good cd.

sin six

sin six: 'silent treatment' reminds me of high school sooooooo much, great tune off of do you want more???!!!!!??!!

[Hack]

How does Gang Starr's latest compare to their older stuff? "Rite Where You Stand" is incredible.

[50 Cent]

How does Gang Starr's latest compare to their older stuff? "Rite Where You Stand" is incredible.

CLASSIC SHIT

Go cop that shit as soon as possible cuz. :wave:

[Simon]

I'm half tempted to snap up 'Things Fall Apart' and 'Phrenology', worth it?

Who would you compare them to like?Nobody, that's why they're so good. Definitely worth getting those two albums, Phrenology is the best album out this year by a way.

They can switch to sounding like your usual hip-hop on tracks like Break You Off to sounding like nothing I've heard since Fun Lovin'g Criminals on The Seed (maybe it's just me, but it's more than similar to Scooby Snacks...?).

Anyway, they rule. Black Thought is underrated.

[QuietStorm]

Oh my fucking God check this out!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/canibus2003music.htm

[Suno]

Oh my fucking God check this out!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/canibus2003music.htm

pretty ill track there.

[Hack]

CLASSIC SHIT

Go cop that shit as soon as possible cuz. :wave:

I actually did buy it today ... and I dig it. Not as amazing as I thought it would be, but I'm sure it'll grow.

"Sabotage," "Rite Where You Stand" and "Deadly Habitz" are early favorites, though I like everything except that "Nice Girl, Wrong Place" track.

Next up, after the new Dylan comes out: Blackalicious' debut or possibly Clipse, though I'm waiting on Strange to PM me still. You bastard!

[Suno]

dont get clipse.

[spanish announce table]

Nah, I was dissapointed with Clipse. The beats on "Ego" and "Comedy Central" are lame and the lyrics and flow of "Ego" are so boring. The subject matter of coke and guns gets boring really fast, right around the "Famlay Freestyle". The track with JD sucks ass and "Grindin'" is on this album 3 (!!!) times. "I'm Not You" and "Intro" are the highlights and "Cot Damn", "Grindin'" and "Young Boy" are the only tracks I liked. I should've skipped this one.

[jesus sucks]

Nah get Clipse. That album is a work of art.

[spanish announce table]

You're talking about the cover right?

[Hack]

Well, works for me. Thanks for the warning.

[Simon]

Lord Willin' sucks so much it's funny. How the hell can Neptunes be popular with shit like Comedy Central and that joint with JD which I forget the name of.

Everywhere that people talk about this album they talk about how it's the lyrics that let down the great production, but the production SUCKS! Neptunes produced a few nice tracks back in the day but they're so tired now, all their shit sounds the same :mad:

[Suno]

It wasn't THAT horrible, either you can with stand repetative production or you can't, I like to hear the Neptunes in small doses, and same with Clipse, they formula of Lord Willin grows tired very quickly.

As for the Neptunes, I still think they make some hot tracks, the Excuse Me Miss Again track is fire.

[Simon]

Noreaga - Superthug, Grimey
Britney Spears - Slave For You
MC Lyte - It's All Yours
Cuban Link - Still Tellin' Lies
Limp Bizkit - N 2Gether Now Remix
NERD - Rock Star, Bobby James

Those are the beats I rate from them...everything else pretty much blows. Lap Dance is a good track as well, but I left it out on the basis that it's the same as Superthug.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Talib Kweli - Quality.

It's exactly what it says on the cover, Quality.

:yes:

Not had chance to give it a proper listening to yet, but I'm lovin' it.

[Suno]

You aint feelin' Southern Hospitality? that's my favourite Neptunes beat.

[Simon]

AAAAAAAARRRRH I hate hate hate HATE that song so much! I love Luda but that song does my fucking nut!

[Suno]

boo!

[Simon]

Now Alchemist I can work with. And Salaam Remi, provided he never works with Misteeq again.

[Suno]

The Alchemist fucking rules!

[Simon]

:yes:

[jesus sucks]

Nah Lord Willin' is class. Malice is a pretty good rapper with some nice lyrics. Fabolous tears it up in Comdy Central though

[Suno]

Nah, I regret buying it, just D/L some of the tracks, I cant give that album away.

[spanish announce table]

Jazzmatazz: Street Soul...now THAT'S an album :yes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Jazzmatazz: Street Soul...now THAT'S an album :yes:

That the one with crrrrrraig david, kelis, et al on it?

I got that one.

:yes:

[Suno]

I thought Jazzmatazz was one of Guru's albums. :\

[QuietStorm]

I bought Mic Geronimo's "Long Road Back" yesterday. It is great. That dude could always flow with the best and still can. Shame he was missing all those years. I might review it one of these days if I feel like it. I highly recommend it.

[strange famous]

How does Gang Starr's latest compare to their older stuff? "Rite Where You Stand" is incredible.

'daily operation', 'hard to earn', and 'moment of truth' are all better than 'the ownerz' but its still a fine cd.

moment of truth is my favorite with hard to earn a close second.

sin six

sin six: gifted unlimited rhymes univeral

[strange famous]

hey quietstorm, since you are the ULTIMATE canibus fan, i have a question...

are they ever going to make that four horsemen album? i heard it was in the works a while ago....any info.

sin six

sin six: C

[QuietStorm]

I have heard that someone very important has it and is going to release this fall as a bootleg. Eventually it will be heard. I am pretty sure that the four of them don't really care if it is bootlegged. Especially Ras Kass:).

[Suno]

Shame about Ras being locked up.

[QuietStorm]

It's his own fault. You don't drink and drive and you don't run from the feds. He'll still have stuff coming out and his management says he will be out next summer. I'm not so sure though.

[Suno]

still, ras kass is ill

[QuietStorm]

One of the best. Interview With A Vampire is :eek:

Van Gogh was a great album, maybe he shouldn't have said "Fuck Priority" on the title track:\.

[Suno]

haha, Soul on Ice = classic

[QuietStorm]

I just got the entire Canibus album! I am in heaven. This is a classic album people.

[50 Cent]

Nah Lord Willin' is class. Malice is a pretty good rapper with some ncie lyrics. The production is off the charts. Fabolous tears it up in Comdy Central though and murders clipse on their own shit.

LOL its not a hard task to outshine Clipse on there own shit, there wack. Fabolous is wack stupid commercial rappers.

J-Zone Sick of Being Rich in stores this Tuesday cop it.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I thought Jazzmatazz was one of Guru's albums. :\

It is, but he has someone different on every track like.

:yes:

Got The Roots' 'Things Fall Apart' and 'Phrenology' today.

:yes:

Definitely different.

[QuietStorm]

http://www.canibus-central.com/phorumz/index.php?act=ST&f=48&t=2702&

[QuietStorm]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/ripthejackermusic.htm

Not there anymore. You should buy it anyways:).

[50 Cent]

Im livin the drug life the thug life

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I can't get enough of Talib Kweli and The Roots.

:yes:

You lot certainly know your stuff.

:heart:

[QuietStorm]

"As an artist my style is amorphous. Sometimes I adjust and adapt, other times I refuse to. My skill isn't affected by my being here. The listeners of my music have the choice to either grow with me, move on to something more fulfilling or stay behind. I can't choose your speed for you. I can only choose the tempo that fits me. It does seem that my style is more mature than it used to be. I stepped it up with imagery and vocabulary. I make references to other poets and writers in my rhymes more often than I have in the past. Running an independent label makes you more responsible by default. Sure you have less resources but it forces you to squeeze the most out of every opportunity. I have become a better artist by paying more attention to the art than the industry surrounding the art." -Canibus in a new interview on allhiphop.com


Canibus "Rip the Jacker"

1. Intro (0:32)

Just a short intro with an eerie beat and sample that provides the perfect start to this album

2. Genabis (4:12)

You may have already seen me talk about this song and you might have even heard it already. I love the religous overtones comparing his career to what God went through creating the earth and seeing us ruin it. One of the only songs on the album with a chorus that isn't a sample. The first verse may be my favorite of the entire album. Wow.

3. Levitibus (4:00)

This song has probably the best beat I have heard since the beat Stoupe did for "Blood Runs Cold" by JMT. The chorus is perfect with the samples taken from JMT and various others with a nice eerie woman's voice singing in the background. As for the lyrics, Canibus gets pretty deep with his own history in his own unique way and proves he is the best there is. He even speaks a little on why he did the whole Stan concept on CTHS.

4. M-Sea-Crazy (3:50)

Starts off with a woman talking in the sample and then gets into the beat and Canibus spitting more crazy-good lyrics. Whoever thinks he is talking nonsense really needs to study his lyrics more than once. It is waaay more deeper than the surface. This song might take more than one listen to grow on you but once it does you won't want to turn it off.

5. No Return (4:53)

The beat isn't quite as strong on this one but still fits in perfectly and the chorus is one that I am sure everyone will love. Canibus speaks one of the coolest stories I have ever heard in this song. I'll leave it at that. You will have to listen to it for yourself to get the full effect. His imagery in this song is incredible. It makes you feel like you are right there in the story/stories with him.

6. Spartibus (3:59)

Probably the weakest song on the album. It was the single but didn't have the feel of a single at all. Sure the beat was amazing and sounded Egyptian to fit in with the vibe of the song and Canibus' lyrics are great at times but just unnecessary nonsensical babble at other times and overall he just spits very uninspired and being that it was the first song I heard, I almost had a bad feeling about what the rest of the album was going to be like. Boy was I wrong. I do really love when he says "Just define what is poetry and what is rap, I demonstrate how to effectively bridge the gap". The third verse is definitely the best one but unfortunately the shortest.

7. Indibisible (3:59)

Ready for a little salsa on the beat? It is great, never heard anything like this before. His lyrics on here are once again out of this world. Canibus is not human. Can I just say something? It has long been said that all Canibus can do is battle. This album is not really a battle album at all. Sure there are battle lines every now and then but it is NOT a battle album. His only album out of his 5 now that has been truly a battle album is 2000 B.C which was probably his most critically acclaimed album since people are IDIOTS and didn't give Can-I-Bus the respest it deserves. Before this album EVERYBODY wanted Canibus to go back to his pre-99 style but now from everything I have read and heard, hardly anyone wants that anymore. Almost everyone is in agreement that this is the best that Canibus has ever done. This song is just too good. A must listen.

8. Showtime At the Gallow (4:41)

Another beat that provides the perfect landscape for Rip the Jacker to speak some on the LL battle and his disagreements with Eminem. The reason I talked about the battling aspect of this album in the review of "Indibisible" is because "Showtime At the Gallow" is a true battle track. Probably his most angry track on the album, he just kills everything about this track. One of my favorites. The beat actually sounds like you are going to a show of some kind. In this case to watch "Rip the Jacker crucify you with verse". If you have heard MiClub: The Curriculum, you know
what I am talking about:).

9. Psych Evaluation (3:51)

Stoupe blazes this beat crazy. This album just gets darker and darker into the Rip the Jacker ego the farther it goes on. "They ask Canibus will you ever run out of things to say, how much breath can a man breath in a day". Just too good. I really am spoiled. But the best is yet to come. Believe me.

10. Cemantics (3:40)

The beat from the last song flows perfectly into this one, making it almost a sequel. It is eerily similar but I think I like this one even better because of the awesome samples used for the chorus. Science and imagery at it's best. The guy does so much reading and research it is crazy. I wish he wasn't so much of recluse but in the end that is probably why I love him as much as I do. His flow in this song is perfect as it is in every other song. It is amazing how Stoupe took the acapellas and perfectly orchestrated the design of the beats to go with Canibus' words.

11. Poet Laureate (7:18)

You know you are supposed to save the best for last right? Most definitely. Germaine Williams proves that he is the greatest rapper of all time, rapping 200 straight bars for over 7 minutes on the final track of the album behind another outstanding Stoupe beat that changes twice during the song and then goes back to the original beat at the end. It is going to take me 10 years to interpret everything he says in this song and still probably will never have it mastered but right now my favorite line has got to be "I've been banned from the rap hall of fame cause of 2 bars, them 2 bars echo in my brain". If you don't know, the two bars he is referring to are from the song 4,3,2,1 with Redman, Method Man, DMX, and of course LL Cool J when he says "L is that a mic on your arm, let me borrow that" referring to the tattoo that he asked LL if he could have too. LL told him to change his verse, which he did, and then LL proceeded to still diss him leading to the full-fledged battle. The best battle of all-time in my opinion. Sure some people say Pac and Biggie but was it really that great when both of them ended up dead and when they were alive it was only Pac doing all the dissing. They were both overrated in my opinion. LL and Canibus kept it strictly in the music. LL is still gay though:). Ok back to the actual song, this is probably the best rap song I have ever heard. Just think about 7 minutes of straight rapping behind a beat that makes you go wow and lyrics that do the same. Simply incredible. For the first 2:17 it is Rip telling you how great Canibus is/was and then he lets Canibus share some of his poetry for the next few minutes when the beat changes and then at 5:52 it goes back to the original beat and holy shit does Rip tear it up the rest of the way. It is no wonder that his alter ego is selfish about giving up the mic.


Ok, this album as a whole is definitely a 10/10. I would probably give MiClub: The Curriculum an 8.5 or 9 out of 10 but this one is a straight 10. Besides Canibus delivering his best lyrics ever in my opinion, he finally has a producer in Stoupe that matches his ability and gives him the perfect landscape for his unmatched talent. I am hoping and praying that Canibus still has more great albums in him and more than anything that Stoupe remains his main producer. And now I can't wait for the Jedi Mind Tricks album "Visions of Gandhi" on August 26th. If Stoupe provided Canibus with production as amazing as this, just think of what he is going to do for his own group. Wow is all I can think of.

[spanish announce table]

:eek: :eek: I have to get RTJ now!

[QuietStorm]

Poet Laureate 2 is actually officially 164 bars which means he still has the 200 bar verse in his archives. It will probably be on "The Exobus Scripts".

[spanish announce table]

It's only 164? You know he actually spits 116 on "100 Bars"? Whats "Exobus Scripts", is it the next album?

[QuietStorm]

To me it seems like 200 but someone counted it and said 164. And yeah, early signs point to the next album being called "The Exobus Scripts". I mean, in the chorus to "Genabis" he refers to Genabis, Exobus, and Levitibus. Two of the chapters are songs on the RTJ album. And then in Poet Laureate 2 he says "he claimed he had written the greatest rhyme of all time, but he would never take out of his archive". I think what he is referring to is "Exobus".

[spanish announce table]

Man, Tuesday is so far away, and I only have $10

[QuietStorm]

I could get it to you on AIM or MSN. :\

[QuietStorm]

For all you idiots that say Canibus is one-dimensional these are just some of the tracks I can think of with a lot of substance behind them.

Ready?

"U Didn't Care" Remix (substance/message)
Different Vibe In L.A. (story telling)
Hott Tonight (love)
Master Thesis (visualistic story telling/messages)
Drama A/T (Message/Concept)
Intro/My Name is Nobody (substance, message)
Stupid Producers (humor/story telling)
Broke Ass (Humor/Club/Bítches)
Get Off Ya kneez (versatility/flow)
My Home Atlanta (story telling/versatility/flow)
Here for Free (love)
How many MC's (substance/message/flow)
Genabis (Story tellin concept)
No Return (story telling)
Poet Laurette 2(story/introvert life message)
Psych Evaluation (story of paranoia)

[spanish announce table]

You forgot some good ones

Howcome
What's Going On
The State vs Kirk Jones
Channel Zero
Grand Deception
Chaos (I think this was the first hints of the Mic Club style)

[Kris P. Lettus]

wack stupid commercial rappers.



Says the guy named 50 Cent...

ZING!!

A couple of questions:
-Anyone like Devin the Dude??
-Anyone heard Scarface's new joint?? Worth buying?? I'm sure it is...
-Simone, you heard Haystacks newer shit??
-RiJ, you got any Blackalicious or J5 yet??

p.s.Haystack is one of the best/underratted MC around...

[QuietStorm]

You forgot some good ones

Howcome
What's Going On
The State vs Kirk Jones
Channel Zero
Grand Deception
Chaos (I think this was the first hints of the Mic Club style)

and 33 Three's. That one is a whoa song as well.

[QuietStorm]

And Krispy, have you heard the new Cunninlynguists album? 2nd best of the year in my opinion behind you know what.

[50 Cent]

Rakim got dropped

[jesus sucks]

Says the guy named 50 Cent...

ZING!!

A couple of questions:
-Anyone like Devin the Dude??
-Anyone heard Scarface's new joint?? Worth buying?? I'm sure it is...


I like the dude! Both his albums are on the way over from amazon now. I just got the fix too, it's really good, much better than the Scarface Greatest hits anyway.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

-RiJ, you got any Blackalicious or J5 yet??


Nope, not yet.

I've got about ten cd's over the past couple of weeks, so I can't really afford to get any others yet.

One day I'll definitely get that J5 cd.

:yes:

[spanish announce table]

Have you heard the rumor of a new Pac song with Ja and Outlawz dissing Shady, Aftermath, Nas, 50, Em, Dre and Snoop?

[Suno]

I heard a poor real audio version of it, i have no doubt that its fake.

[Prince XL]

Its most probably the 'Realist' guy. Very good Pac impersonator actually...

[50 Cent]

$ick of Being Rich drops tommorow go cop that shit nuccas.

[Seanny One Ball]

In the last 3 weeks I have bought:

The Fugees - The Score
R Kelly - Chocolate Factory
De La Soul - Best Of
Redman - Whut Thee Album
Redman - Muddy Waters
Redman - Dare Iz a Darkside
Redman & Method Man - Blackout
Ice Cube - The Predator
Ludacris - Back For The First Time

I like The Predator best right now, I've never really listened to Cube much before - though this album is quality through and through. Best song on it is probably "It Was A Good Day".

As you can see I'm getting right into Redman after having bought Malpractice ages ago and liking it - though not enough to do much about it. Anyway Brennino told me about his older stuff a while ago and so I've bought them all at once :)

I stop work on Wednesday, that's an end to my CD funds :(

[QuietStorm]

Well Seanny...the new Canibus album comes out tomorrow. You don't have money for one more purchase:(?

[Suno]

Im just gonna buy new CD's when i go to Florida in a few weeks, cheaper than they are here.

[spanish announce table]

:no: This new Young Gunz track is wack as hell. How these no-talent bums got signed is beyond me

[strange famous]

At what speed does Canibus rip through your skeletal chest plate gristle at on the new album?

He must be getting pretty fast by now.

sin six

sin six: steals posts

[Simon]

-Simone, you heard Haystacks newer shit??
Ner, I have one of his old albums which has sat in a box under my bed along with Necro, All Saints and my millions of Now... albums for a year or so, don't even remember the name. White Boys or something.

Car Fulla White Boys, that's it.

I'll have a look at this new stuff, that album wasn't too bad. Thing was I was comparing him to Necro at the time, given that they were both white boy rappers who I'd never heard of until AudioGalaxy...and Necro was just the absolute nuts, so I kinda ignored Haystack :D

One Bollock, is Back For The First Time any good? I :heart: Word Of Mouf but never thought to get all his old shit.

[Suno]

BFtFT is better than WoM imo, it took a little bit to grow on me but now, its fucking class.

[QuietStorm]

If you don’t believe in other dimensions you’ve been duped/ their the main ingredients of this cosmic soup/ see the mouse grab it, enter the edges with avid/ is this the picture of a duck or a rabbit?/you see ass and tits, welcome to madness
http://home.clara.net/rodneysaunders/illusions/duck.gif

[spanish announce table]

:eek: thats nuts!

[EL-ASSO-WIPO]

How is the cannibus album selling?

Let me paraphrase, is the cannibus album selling?

[Simon]

:lol:

[QuietStorm]

Well since I am on the street team it is going gold for sure. I bought my two copies.

:)

[strange famous]

Well since I am on the street team it is going gold for sure. I bought my two copies.

:)

does that mean you'll be sending me a free copy? thanks.

sin six

sin six: free things rule.......and so do sodas!

[QuietStorm]

Well I have 8 posters, 200 stickers, a couple t-shirts, 2 copies of the album(one of which isn't getting opened), and the LP/vinyl of the album.

So yeah if you have a record player or do the whole turntable thing, I could probably send you the vinyl:).


Edit: Actually the stickers and posters are pretty much gone by now but yeah...

[spanish announce table]

Man I'm pissed. 2 Stores and no RTJ

[jesus sucks]

Does anybody else think the drums used on "The Low end Theory" are absolute class?

[Hack]

The whole thing defines absolute class.

[Simon]

ATCQ rule...I really need to pick up an album of theirs other than the most recent Greatest Hits...anyone recommend?

[Fro]

Pick up The Low End Theory and People's Instinctive Travels... as soon as possible. If you like those, pick up Midnight Marauders as well. They are undeniably three of the greatest hip-hop albums of all time. I'm glad someone brought this up because everyone should listen to these albums. Q-Tip is simply brilliant on the mic, and Phife is almost equally dope. They self-produce pretty much all their music and their beats are highly Jazz-influenced (especially Low End Theory). All in all, there are few others who could match the lyrical and musical quality that the Tribe created with their first three albums.

If you want some good songs to download, try these:

Verses From The Abstract
Check The Rhime
We Can Get Down
Electric Relaxation
Midnight
Youthful Expression
Rhythm
After Hours
Lyrics To Go
Buggin' Out

[Suno]

Hello? Scenario anyone?

[Flow]

Rumble in the Jungle

[QuietStorm]

Bonita Applebum?

[spanish announce table]

Flawless :shifty:

[strange famous]

Q-Tip is simply brilliant on the mic, and Phife is almost equally dope.

phife is dope??????? sure he was a good partner to tip and they worked well together but i don't think i would call phife dope. most of his rhymes were sports references that weren't even that clever.

and on the topic of tribe, i was never a big fan. i'll recognize they put out good stuff and some truly amazing jams but overall they never appealled to me. i always thought that they were kinda boring to listen to.

sin six

sin six: award tour is da jam

[Simon]

Louis Logic is the man, :heart: QuietStorm.

[jesus sucks]

Yeah Q-tip basically steals the show in that group. Just like in NBN Treach was the bomb and Vinnie was just there like. However the best song on Low end theory imo is Butter. And phife tore it up on the intro to Crazysexycool :D

[Blackhawk]

Just downloaded some(or all, haven't found the tracklist) of Bubba Sparxxx's cd. Heard the single Deliverance and liked it a lot, so decided to give it a chance.(The video rules, based on the movie O' Brother Where Art Thou, I love that flick) Only listened to it a couple times so far, and while it's not the greatest, its a good listen and a fun cd.


Also, curious if there are any other Wyclef fans here, been listening to his first 2 cd's a lot lately and still love em, hehe. Especially his first cd, The Carnival.

[Simon]

I liked Bubba when he first came out, whatever happened to him? Ugly was great, and I don't even like Timmy :yes:

[Blackhawk]

I liked Bubba when he first came out, whatever happened to him? Ugly was great, and I don't even like Timmy :yes:

I don't know where he went, but I was flippin through channels a couple weeks ago and saw him on BET about to premier a video so I checked it out. Liked it a lot so last night I finally got around to downloading it to see if its a cd I should get. Nice, fun album.

p.s. The album is called Deliverance, on Kazaa(Lite, no spyware whoo!) I'm sharing if ya need a sample of it, just do a search for Bubba Sparxxx - Deliverance.

[Simon]

I'll have a listen to the new single, is that the name? Deliverance? Or is that the album name?

*edit* Can't read :dunce:, I'll have a look now.

[QuietStorm]

I have always respected him considering he started rapping only like 3 months before his debut album came out according to him. That is some quick work by him and Timbaland!

[Kris P. Lettus]

I have always respected him considering he started rapping only like 3 months before his debut album came out according to him. That is some quick work by him and Timbaland!

When he first did Ugly on 106 & Park he hella ran outta breath before the last verse.. Someone eles rapped it for him..

LOLz

Does anyone like Devin The Dude?? "The Dude" was tight but his new album is f'n QUALITY!!1! D/l the intro.. Fooking rules..

New favorite shit..

p.s. the album's called "Just Tryin' 2 Live"..

:yes::yes:

9.75/10

[QuietStorm]

Haven't heard it yet but yeah I have always liked his stuff. I'll check it out. Very unique. The song with Xzibit and Nas is class.

Maybe I'll get that when I get the new Yukmouth album on the 5th.

[jesus sucks]

Just Tryin Ta live is funny as fuck. I've been listening to it all week. There's tracks with Dre and Premo and everything. Ususal great singing/rapping from the dude aswell. Quality album.

[QuietStorm]

All the credit for the first part of this goes to The 4th Horseman from Canibus Central. I edited a few spelling mistakes but that is it. This is all his work but I agree with a lot of his opinions on this...the greatest writing Canibus has ever released.

I added a little at the end about what some of his references and lines are all about but whatever. This is long so skim if you want. But it is really interesting...

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Before you proceed, let me make this clear, I know Canibus is human. And I know he's just one man and the mans name is Germaine but I'm infatuated with the intrigue of the possibilities and potential of Bis, Rip and Germaine, although I know it's just Germaine. I know he also may make mistakes in his writing, far fewer than other artists, but nonetheless there may be continuity issues in Poet Laureate II that I may seem to be too picky about, but hey, thats what Bis wants... I'm trying to evolve with him instead of standing still asking for "Pre 99" Bis. I'm testing him... testing me... trying to move forward with him so I'm always at least parallel to where he is.

Poet Laureate II... a unique combination of flow, mood, visual imagry and wordplay... but there's something even more unique and intriguing about this song. It's told from the minds of 2 artists, only one of which is with us throughout the whole track... once you get a grasp of both of their styles, you can enjoy their work that much more and decipher between their styles... Canibus does it again... and I thought Bis Vs Rip was a gem. Whereas Bis vs Rip had the 2 Poets fighting for command of Germaine... this has the more widely known ego speaking on the lesser as if the lesser was deceased... or something was preventing him from speaking on his own behalf... interesting. Of the 2 forementioned artists, it seems as if Canibus tells us a vivid story touching on Rip... his, umm... how would you put it, his Mr. Hyde, Science, The State Of Hip Hop, rare oriental trees, time machines, battling, his black cloud and comes full circle back to what he knew from jump... he is probably the Best Yet.

But something about this track is strange IMO... First off, I'm not sold that Rip The Jacker exists anymore... sold to us as another more vicious, more potent and unforgiving version of Germaine on track 10 on Mic Club, I was so a believer in Rip, a believer in "The Trinity" and that he was the peak of the Trinity... but upon further research, I think Canibus is suffering from a similar complex to the one Norman Bates suffered from in Psycho... Canibus is Rip in the same way Norman was his mother, he just doesn't notice it. The wordplay similarities in Mic Club and Rip The Jacker is all the evidence needed to shoot down my original impression of "The Trinity". Canibus seemingly is the artist that takes us from the beginning to the end of the track and recites a verse or 2 that Rip The Jacker penned... Rips verse sounds a lot like Master Thesis if you ask me which supposedly was a Canibus track... but I'll save that for later... where does Rips verse end? Or is it Bis reciting Rips lyrics throughout the remainder of the track... or is the ENTIRE track from start to finish words that Rip spoke. See... After the question is asked "Why is The Ripper so ill? That would be an unpardonable breech of confidence for me to reveal" Canibus says "He" seemingly still referring to Rip, and from then on, it seems that he is referring to things that Rip said or did.

So... if I'm right, and Rip is just a buzz word, and it's all Canibus, then why is Bis speaking on Rip like he's a whole seperate entity? Why dosen't Germaine (C True Hollywood Stories) ever say anything? Thats another story too... Poet Laureate II is a puzzle disguised as a rap song... and the pieces are scattered across the nation.... but then again... if these words are by Rip and that isn't just a buzzword... that would explain one of Canibus most prolific lyrical exhibitions in the original Poet Laureate and how it pales in comparison to the current version Poet Laureate II.

I dont know, I got a million and one theories and figured, there ain't no better place to politic them than amongst my fellow Druids.

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"He said one of these days all eyes will be on me
When they look up in the sky and see the neon C"
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He said? So is this a conversation Bis had with Rip before? Is Rip telling Bis "all eyes will be on you Bis" Or is Rip saying to Bis "Bis one day all eyes will be on me, Rip." Going by the "story" they are seperate entities... starting with Bis vs Rip, we know Rip (Momma Bates) does not think of himself as neither Germaine nor Canibus "I'm Satan, Canibus is a Mason..." He's stating there, they are very different. He's saying this line to Bis in a more calm mood than the Rip we were introduced to on Mic Club, and he's telling Bis one day people will look up in the sky and see the Neon "C". But a second later he's telling Bis "the time machines inventor will mention me", is he referring to himself, RIP? The Trinity or Bis? Wait... it gets even more confusing.

If Rip was just talking to Bis and Bis is telling us of the convo they had before he gets into Rips rhymes later in the track... why does he say in the next line:

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"Canibus WAS a visionary indeed"
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All right, wtf is going on (by the way, I love it that Bis makes me look into shit this deep, this is why he's probably the best yet) this is what I know so far... Bis and Rip seemingly had a convo some time ago, Canibus was letting us know what happened during the conversation and now here comes a line that contradicts Canibus even being the leg of the Trinity we're just listening to... so was it Germaine all along? Telling us a story about what he saw transpire between Bis and Rip? How is Canibus suddenly past tense when he was just our narrator.

Here is where for me.... it gets confusing beyond reason, I only want to fully grasp the picture the narrator is painting, thats why I have so many discrepencies... but it's all in the name of progress. So far, Bis asked us why is the Ripper so ill rhetorically, then spoke some words Rip once said, then come to find out Germaine himself has taken over... here's where it get's wild... it seems as if someone is now speaking about CANIBUS for the remainder of this section before the beat changes when it once seemed Canibus was speaking to us.

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Canibus was a visionary indeed
He believed light could travel in multiples of C
The organic supercomputer that solved the mysteries that Kline Colusa with 2 blue metric rulers
Liked Cool J, but thought Steven J. Goul was cooler
And he never liked to propagate rumors
Smoked Canary Island cigars
Liked American luxury cars and beautiful Asian broads
He had a strong mind
He used to philosophize about rhymes while he was pruning his Bonsais
He claimed that he had written The Greatest Rhyme Of All Time
But he would never take it out his archives
He wrote 2 songs per day
And was constantly was experimenting with his wordplay
In his youth he did a report on the Sloan Digital Sky Survey
He got an F but he deserved an A
I followed his career from the 1st day
It seemed the lack of support contributed to his inert ways
I seen him pull in 24 hour workdays, with deferred pay, undeterred by the word shame
Public humiliation was the worst pain
He was spinning out of control like a class 5 hurricane
He said he wouldn't want another emcee to suffer the same, especially when there's nothing to gain
He was The Illest Alive
But nobody would face it
He spit till his tongue was too torched to taste it
Privately funding corporations, carbon dated his latest creations, to extract the information
They found it utterly amazing
They claimed the body of his work was the same thing as a priceless painting
Never mattered to him, that art galleries hated him
Cause Thomas Kincaid called him, said he would take 10
Complete enigmas wrapped in puzzles encrypted in language with sound but without shape or signature
Kept files in his garage, on MS-DOS
In a fire-proof pod, we thought it was odd
Outside there was a shed with an Oppenheimer lock
He apparently kept more wax then Madame Tusauge
We were in total awe, cause it blew our minds
So many rhymes that were intricately designed
He WAS Poet Laureate of his time, and if you don't mind, I'd like to share some of his rhymes
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You know what, I've said enough... I though Rip was the thinker of the trio... judging by the way he manhandled Bis on Bis vs Rip and the type of verse he spit, it seemed that he'd be the more complex, but so far, whoever is speaking about Canibus is making it seem as if Canibus is the brains... "He believed that light traveled in multiples of C"? WTF? When I first heard there was gonna be a track called Bis vs Rip, I thought to myself, good geezus, Canibus is gonna blaze himself, and I bet on Bis, only to be left with my jaw on the concrete by what actually took place... from then on, Rip has been the monster to me and Bis... he's been you know... the victim... Rips prison bitch... but now hearing this person explain Canibus and how he spent time "pruning his bonsais" doing reports on the "Digital Sky Survey" as a youth...

This song has straight up and down, fucked me up... I keep it on repeat in the car when no ones in it with me, cause I will decode this shit, reguardless if people think I'm looking into it too deep, if Canibus thought like those people... we wouldnt have a Poet Laureate II... this track is the hardest joint I've ever experienced from Canibus as far as figuring it out... he's outdone himself... I tip my hat to Canibus... you are the illest alive... you've changed the course of many lives, made average hip hop listeners become lyric researchers, taken hip hop and turned the knob to the right full throttle. Thank you.

Lastly... the only answer I have for that first section is "My Face Shift Into 45 Degrees, I'm too crooked to see" If there was a video for this track, he'd be shape shifting throughout the whole thing... thats the only way I can think to explain the contents of Poet Laureate II... which would have been better billed as an original (title wise) other than a sequel to an already classic track.

"For 2 bars I kept hearing in my head over and over again... it cost me everything"

Poet Infinite

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"Alone in my room, looking thru the 32X telescope zoom, adjusting the focus of the moon
One should not assume the philosophy of David Hume, is nothing more then a subjective conclusion
What is the maximum field rate application?, the run away glaciation surrounding the ocean basin, affects the population, fluctuation on a continuous basis but thats just the basics"

David Hume was an empiricist which means he thought that we gain knowledge only as a direct result of experience of the world via the senses. Thus, without any humans/subjects there would be no knowledge so it is a subjective philosophy. As a result many thinkers classified him as providing a subjective philosophy that at it's fundamental levels implies that human beings have no knowledge before we are born (i.e., of god, other dimensions, other thinking beings, etc.), we learn everything through our subjective experience of the world.

However, then another group of philosophers said that Hume actually did believe in God and allowed for knowledge of God in his philosophy if you read it correctly. I don't remember exactly why, but I can get the answer by grabbing my old college notes and I'll post it when I get it. The point is that Bis is one of these new Hume thinkers who isn't buying the idea that Hume just offers a philosophy that is simply a form of subjectivism and doesn't allow for metaphysical (beyond the physical realm) possibilities (in other words, Bis is saying don't fall for the old way people interpreted Hume). And people say Bis is just throwing big words and historic names unintelligabley in his rhymes nowadays, bullshit. He is just that smart.


"The organic supercomputer that solved the mysteries of Clan Calusa with 2 blue metric rulers"
(Calusia indians artifacts containing biblical mysteries)

"Outside there was a shed with an Oppenheimer lock, he apparently kept more wax than Madam Tussauds"
(Madame Tussauds is a museum in which wax models of celebrities are made, kept more wax ie vinyl)

"Words of scourn are a disasterous tool, from an existentialist view, im a better rapper than you"
(" Man is nothing else but that which he makes of himself. That is the first principle of existentialism" - J.P. Sartre)

"Grab the mic and rip your physical fabric in 2, my attitude is fucked up and abrogable"
(abrogable = capable of annuling by an authoritative act to abolish by the authority of the maker or his successor; applied to the repeal of laws, decrees, ordinances, the abolition of customs, etc. "Let us see whether the New Testament abrogates what we so frequently see in the Old". Basically Bis is saying that although his attitude is "fucked up" it is a consequence to his circumstance but it is "abrogable" and the fucked-up attitude can be revoked.

"And nobody gives a fuck no more, no one goes to the book store, ever since the influence of Moore's Law"

(The observation made in 1965 by Gordon Moore that the number of transistors per square inch on integrated circuits had doubled every year since the integrated circuit was invented. Moore predicted that this trend would continue for the foreseeable future. In subsequent years, the pace slowed down a bit, but data density has doubled approximately every 18 months, and this is the current definition of Moore's Law, which Moore himself has blessed. Most experts, including Moore himself, expect Moore's Law to hold for at least another two decades - Basically I am saying that nobody reads anymore due to the constant and consistent increase in computers and the digital age)


"Lyrically I take rap music and turn the knob, to the right full throttle and add panache"
(Panache = flair, style, elegance = added the flamboyance to rap music)


"But I stay in the lab, like Niels Bohr, the Son of God, Edward Lawrence and Leo Salade"

Niels Bohr and Ernest Rutherford studied the structure of the atom. Bohr greatly extended the theory of atomic structure in 1913 when he explained the spectrum of hydrogen by means of an atomic model and the quantum theory. He received the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1922 for his work on radiation. Bohr greatly aided the making of the atomic bomb, but his morals kept him from working whole-heartedly. He wrote a public letter to the United Nations in 1950 calling for peaceful atomic policies. Bohr received the first Atoms for Peace.


And my favorite line in the whole entire song...


"This is the line of real, the circle of time
the cycle of eternity, the emergence of one line"



Take a straight line, it has a beginning and an end or two opposite sides.

This straight line represents the line of real, or reality, how we experience our reality and our experiences through linear time. Because we all know, our experiences/reality travel foward in time in straight linear fashion.

But by observation, you can also note that life is cyclical, a chain of cyclical events.

If you take the line of reality, connect both opposite ends, you bend the line until you make the shape of a circle = the circle of time = the cycle of eternity, that connection is the emergence of one Line.

[spanish announce table]

Whoa. It's hard to wrap your head around all that. I swear, if a store doesnt get a copy of RTJ soon, I'll download this, though I said I wouldn't.

[QuietStorm]

Immortal Technique "Revolutionary Vol. 2"

Ok all, I am right now listening to the greatest rap album I have ever heard in my life. NEW SHIT! You aren't going to find it anywhere either. They only made 5,000 units apparently. Get it on Soulseek. If you haven't heard Volume 1 or at least "Dance With the Devil" then get that first. This is the revolution right hear. Words that actually mean something. I am in awe of this. It is perfection. So much raw emotion. I have never heard anything like this before.