Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I dunno.. I know Wu aren't..

:happysad:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Nah..

Nowhere near here..

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, everyone but the East got screwed with that.. I'm sure they'll tour in full again though.

Definitely see GZA and Muggs if you get a chance... such a fun show. GZA was of course mind-blowing, rocking all his old classics as well as stuff from Grandmasters. He spit a lot of acapella stuff, really amazing. He was dropping constant knowledge all night, touching on how hip-hop needs more creativity and even trashed freestyling and its popularity, saying most of the guys have no substance. So much truth in everything he said... GZA is the man.

Muggs rocked a lot of old Cypress classics to get everyone hyped... did "Jump Around" too which everyone went absolutely wild for..

Openers were Self Scientific, local group The Beetnix, and this dude Kaze who fucks with 9th Wonder who I wasn't familiar with. He was dope though.. I liked him more than Self Scientific actually. And the Beetnix are a hell of a group.. check them out if you get a chance -- http://www.myspace.com/thebeetnix

Pics coming later.. my phone's being a pain in the ass.

[QuietStorm]

So Gza finally awoke from his coma? That's good to hear.

I don't know if I have ever heard anyone rap with less emotion than he did on the JMT/Jus Allah tracks.

[Kris P. Lettus]

GZA>Canibus

[QuietStorm]

Ok.

[Stringer Bell]

I love Canibus, but I gotta agree there. GZA is the master of voice and tone.. and lyrically he can get just as crafty as 'Bus, I think. Both are talented emcees though, without a doubt.

[QuietStorm]

Gza is a legend. Canibus is a failure. Why are we even comparing them?

[Stringer Bell]

:p

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I downloaded Liquid Swords ages ago and got round to loosely listening to it earlier, :heart: Cold World.

[Stringer Bell]

Oh my god, Liquid Swords is an absolute classic, up there with OB4CL and 36 Chambers. Might even be my favorite collection of RZA production.. his beats are insane on that album. Every single track still bangs today, it's just an incredible album.. I wish hip-hop was still like that.

[QuietStorm]

www.artofrhyme.com

Apathy feeling the major label blues....

As honest and real of an interview as I have seen in a long time.


http://wwww.artofrhyme.com (http://wwww.artofrhyme.com/)



Hey Apathy, it's Joel from Art of Rhyme.com...

Apathy: Oh, Joel man. I just ignored your call like 10 times because it says TV Guide. I'm like, Fuck that!

I figured while we were talking I could figure if you cancelled your subscription or not. That's the real deal job, you know.

A: No doubt. It's good to talk to you man. I feel like I've known you forever.

You've got all kinds of stuff going on, huh?

A: Hell yeah. I'm doing it all man.

It's good to hear a real official release from you. Happy days, you know?

A: You're telling me man. It's been a labor of love and it's been crazy.

Is that tremendous weight off of your shoulders?

A: Oh hell yeah. You know there's still more to do, but to get this album to the point I wanted it is really dope. It's kind of crazy too because I built this album up so much in my head -- it's like a parent with a kid. I have such high expectations for it. It got leaked a little bit early and I expected a certain amount of kids to really be sweating it. A lot of kids loved it. Mad people gave me love, and then I saw a little hate. That never affected me before, but now that I've put out this album I'm like "damn." It's a crazy thing. I've never ever cared about criticism or hate.

Why don't you tell us a little bit about Eastern Philosophy, from how you wrote the songs to the production on it?

A: Well, before I sat down and really knew what the tracks were going to be, I knew what I wanted in my head. I knew the vibe I wanted to invoke with it. Before I started doing anything, for months and month I would only listen to the same 10 or 12 albums. Even if someone was like, "Yo, you hear that new Ludacris song?" I was like, "nah, I'm not even on that right now." I was listening to Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Hard to Earn, Organized Konfusion, Nas’ Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, Midnight Marauders. I wanted to get in that whole mindset and be like I was in that time period. That time is so important to me and so close to my heart that I feel almost cheated that I was too young to release an album then. So I'm trying to make up for it by making an album that I feel could be that time. Evoke that type of feeling. Also, just to do songs to show how I felt back at that time. I really wanted to do an album that reflected that time period. Up to date obviously, but something that was in that same vein.

You've been talking about and working on Eastern Philosophy for a long time. We talked to you a while back and I remember you were in the process of it, and then there were some politics. Did you have to make some changes between then and now?

A: When I talked to you guys last about it, there's not a single song that's the same on there. All those songs have been put out on the bootleg or Where's Your Album? Or just scrapped all together. There are some songs I recorded way back that are just going to be coming out. Like the song Naturally Nasty which will be coming out on the Celph Titled UK album. It was originally going to be for this album but it didn't match the vibe as much and that was important to me. I wanted to make sure it was cohesive. I have some happier shit, but there was some shit that just didn't match. It'd be like putting something whimsical on Liquid Swords.

You and your crew have been doing lots of work with Babygrande Records, where does that relationship come from?

A: It's just all about what they come with. It's nothing to do with a personal relationship. They make the best offer; they want to put the most effort and energy into it. I'm going to go with them as far as the indie thing goes. I'm still signed to Atlantic and Atlantic had to give permission. We had to go through this whole big process. Atlantic even owns the masters. If you look at the copyright information it says "Atlantic Records under exclusive license from Babygrande." Babygrande was willing to get behind it, be excited about it, shoot a video for it and really go crazy with it. They also gave a good offer.

What is the word on your Atlantic album?

A: I don't even know. To be honest, it's up in the air. I'm not even sweating it. My A&R called me recently when I was on tour. He said, "I know it's taking forever for us all to get on the same page, and figure out what exactly we're trying to do. I'm not trying to be the big bad label, so let me make this clear; you are not shelved by any means. However, if you want to go I'll give you a release. I don't want to hold back your career." The problem is there is an insane amount of confusion. I don't have great communication with them. There have been times where I've recorded songs and he's said to me, "Oh my God, this is it. This is the hit." And this dudes an asshole. I've recorded songs and he's said, "I've played it for Craig Kallman, and it's a hit." This is a dude who's very blunt with me. He'll say, "nah that's wack and corny. I'm not feeling that."

Is this why he's an asshole?

A: Yes. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but this dude is brutally honest with me. So after I submit 100's of songs to him and he's finally like, "You've got your hit. You just opened up your budget." I'm ready to pop some bottles, and then nothing comes out of it.

Is that how it typically works? You're signed to Atlantic, but you have to prove yourself and cause them to get off their asses?

A: Yeah. Especially with new artists, but I recently learned even when Twista does an album, Mike will sit there and listen to the songs and Twista has to come with the right songs. They obviously give him more attention and bigger producers are willing to work with him, but it's the same process. Everything has changed a lot. Everyone has this perception that I just go off to a studio, record 16 tracks, put it together in a neat little kit and they say yes or no. I send my A&R every song I do and we figure out what level we're going to go at.

Now the songs they don't like, they still own them?

A: Yeah, they still own them technically. But I have all of the masters. It doesn't mean I own them, but I have them. But it's a long process and it's just confusing and frustrating. It's like, "what do I do? What more can I do? What can you do to hook me up with this person? Why isn't this happening?" It's to the point now that I don't know what's going to happen.

Now, it's not like a city job where you just sit around and just get paid...

A: Hell no.

...so you've got to go out and drop an album like Eastern Philosophy if they're not putting you on to the big show.

A: And I got permission from my A&R to do it because he knows I've got to eat. I've licensed shit before for TV Shows and video games, and that makes some money but you have to be real consistent with that to make a lot of money.

Wasn't it a CSI you licensed that track for?

A: It was a CSI Miami. And the same track was on Midnight Club 3.

How does one of your tracks get licensed like that? Do you have to submit like an audition?

A: I did a couple of things. When I first got signed, my A&R was like, "they're looking for a song for the Dare Devil soundtrack" and I asked what type of song and they go "it's for the first time you see King Pin." So I did a song, and honestly Joel, it was one of the illest songs I've ever done. It was called The King Pin. I wish I had the masters, but I don't even have a copy because I recorded it at my A&R's crib. It was one of the illest songs. The beat kind of had the same sound as Public Service Announcement, like a real ill hardrock acid sample. My hook and the lyrics were fucking bananas. It was mad smart, it was dope. I submitted it, and the dudes were like, "this is incredible. It's perfect. We love it." Then it comes down to crunch time and the music directors and the people were like, "Yeah, this is hot, we want to use it." Then some dude that doesn't know music shit, but one of the business men came along and said, "ehh, we need somebody with a bigger name than this." So they used Neptune’s - Rock Star which had been out for a while already so it was already somewhat played out, but they used it. I was like, mother fucker. It gets worse though. You know the song that was on CSI: Miami? My A&R called me up and was like "Need for Speed II needs some songs for the soundtrack, get to work." My A&R linked me up with this dude Bris who did the beat. I got the beat and Celph came up to Connecticut. I sat there and wrote it, banged it out, we recorded it, then I submitted it. They were like, "yes, we're definitely using this." My A&R called me on my birthday and told me they were going to use it and we just had to talk about money situations. So I'm thinking everything is poppin off. Then about a week and a half later, they pulled the same thing. They were like, "we need somebody who's either a Def Jam artist, or has a bigger name." So that got shelved.

A: Then, a little bit down the road, I was like, "I'll believe it when I see it." Get this, they said it was going to be in one episode and at the last minute they said they had a change and it was going to be used in a later episode. Finally they ended up using it, which was awesome. Then recently, Midnight Club 3 used it in their video game which I didn't even expect to happen.

You mention Celph. I feel like his game is really on the rise. What is the official line-up of the Demigodz right now?

A: Celph and I is literally my best friend. That's like my brother. We talk almost every single day, we're best friends, we've never had beef in all the years we've been friends. We're like Redman and Method Man, like Raekwon and Ghost. Celph and I decided the Demigodz needs to be something more formative, because it was always all over the place. That's the reason the roster continued to change. Some people wouldn't be around all of the time, or we couldn't get in touch with them. We decided to make it a definitive group of people who all work well together and all stay in contact with each other. And that is: Me, Celph, Esoteric, Motive, and Styles of Beyond are the MCs. Then we have the DJs: Chum the Skrilla Guerilla, 7L, and Cheapshot. Then we've got a producer Scoop Deville.

So when we refer to the Demigodz, that's who we're talking about?

A: That's who it is. Rise, Spin 4th, and Open Mic are still affiliates. It's like with the Wu-Tang how there's Sunz of Man, Killarmy and Killah Priest. Rise and Open Mic and Digga, all of them, they’re still cool with us.

What about Louis Logic? I didn't hear his name mentioned.

A: Louis...I don't have anything to do with Louis. He was always more Celph's friend, I never rocked that tight with him. He was cool at first because he was more of a hip-hop MC. Then he started to get a little funny throughout the years.

I was going to say, his first album was really good. I want to say I haven't heard that much from him since then.

A: I liked his style back when he first started doing stuff when he would rap normal. Then he started to get more crazy and animated and I got turned off at that point. Then he started doing kooky shit that just didn't sound like Demigodz shit.

On his first album, parts of it were reminiscent of Eminem when he was starting out - (Yup) - and I feel like Eminem went down that same track. I hear an Eminem song now and I'm like, "what'd you do?" In my mind, it's like he must be laughing behind the scenes that people are still buying it.

A: I don't know what's up with him, but that's not my people. That was Celph's people.

What about the Army of the Pharaohs album? When is it dropping and how much of a role did you play in that?

A: That album is dropping the same day as my album is dropping. I don't like that idea, but they are dropping March 21st. I was supposed to be in the original Army of the Pharaohs back in the day, but I was busy recording my shit and wasn't able to do it at that time. I've been down with Jedi Mind for a long time so it was essential that we did this. I produced a beat and rapped on 3 tracks. I wish I could have done more but I was dead in the middle of recording Eastern Philosophy.

The AOTP album has been highly anticipated, I hope it lives up to the hype.

A: Yeah, it's cool. I heard it, it's cool.

You don't sound blown away by it.

A: Nah. It's cool. I like it, it's a good album. It's what the fans will like. Everybody's lyrics are amazing, and that's what people want.

You may have, in your mind, a list of people you want to work with. You have to get the label motivated...

A: Before you finish that thought, I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know if it's going to be with Atlantic, but I know it's going to be on a major label. Whether it's with Atlantic, or it's with someone else, it's going to happen. I don't know that the same process will apply elsewhere.

Your A&R kind of gave you permission to get out of the deal, have you been courted by any other labels?

A: Yeah. I don't want to talk about to. Everybody does that, saying, "I don't want to talk about who." It would really be shooting myself in the foot if I started to blast off, but there are some obvious connections that I have that are interested. There is definitely a good amount of majors that are interested. I have real dope lawyer Theo Sedlmayr, he's Eminem and 50's lawyer who represents Jim Jones and Just Blaze. I'm going to be doing something big.

I'd have to imagine it's like being signed to the NBA, but sitting on the bench. It's like, "give me a starting position."

A: It really is. It's frustrating too because -- everybody says this -- but there's so much wack shit out there. I know from the material that I'm making that I can make some dope shit, but people are afraid to take a chance.

Did Atlantic do anything else to promote the album with Babygrande, or do they just sit back?

A: Yup. The dope thing, well, dope in some senses and wack in other, but it helps me out because it evens out my balance with them. It's like paying off a credit card. I got an up front amount from Babygrande, which is good. Then, the publishing and the royalties are going to go back to paying off my budget with Atlantic, which I love. I'd rather have a zero balance so that when I'm out I don't owe them shit.

Is that budget from all these tracks that you make that they don't use?

A: Yeah. I've spent a good amount. I've gone to LA where we locked down Paramount Studio for about a month. We recorded in there and did a whole bunch of shit. I've spent a good amount of change out of my budget. I want to get that out of the red.

Tell me about your tour with Fort Minor.

A: It was so dope being opened up to a different fan base. It was really incredible.

How receptive is that fan base?

A: At first they're real timid. There are a lot of younger fans that aren't use to the culture, they're Linkin Park fans. We come out there like, "Yay! Throw your fucking hands up!" They get scared a little bit. Towards the end when they hear our lyrics and everything they open up. Ever since Mike Shinoda showed us love, his fans show us tons of live.

As I was watching the Grammy’s the other night, I saw Linkin Park perform and didn't think the guy rapping looked like Mike. Was I mistaken?

A: He use to have long hair, but now he has shorter hair and wears a baseball hat. But yeah, he was there. We were in Georgia and had a couple of days off and he flew out to the Grammy’s and came back the next day. We were all watching him perform from the hotel, watching him perform with Hov and Paul McCartney. That was hot.

AHave you seen the site recently?

A: I did! I saw that you guys updated it, it's all black and it looks dope. The only sites I go to for new shit is you guys and hiphopgame.com.

Anything else you'd like to add?

A: Just that we're really looking to promote Motives album next. We all think that his album has something special. It's going to be a good one.

[Stringer Bell]

I love Apathy, I'll be reading that in a second. Shame he's unhappy..

Krisp and everyone who I was debating with Wayne about... read this from my buddy Big R at words2yourmother.com. This is pretty much spot-on with my opinion of him. Just showing you where I'm coming from cause this guy puts it into much better words than myself...


Lil Wayne - Now I'm not the biggest Lil Wayne fan. In fact, the majority of the time I'm pretty much hating on him. Not because I think he is the worst rapper in the world, that's not the truth at all. I just get kinda heated when Lil Wayne fans claim he is the second coming of Jay-Z, I mean he can reference how they have the same last name as much as he wants, he is just not on that level. It doesn't mean Wayne don't got promise though, I find myself feeling some of his lines like when he referred to Louisiana as Lil-Weezy-ana. And all the aka's, that's some of the best shit of Hip-Hop. Personally, I sweat when Celph Titled called himself Frosty the Snow Thug. However back on topic, I feel like Wayne can get a bit more lyrical than he normally does. He shows lyrical promise, and he is an educated brother as he is currently working on a degree at the University of Houston. Being from New Orleans, he can really be the voice of the devastation that happened with Katrina, and I think could have done a better job addressing that situation. Not saying he shouldn't do club music, but if he splashed a bit more consciousness, he might really get an audience he is missing out on.

[Stringer Bell]

Nice interview.. loved this part

Even if someone was like, "Yo, you hear that new Ludacris song?" I was like, "nah, I'm not even on that right now." I was listening to Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Hard to Earn, Organized Konfusion, Nas’ Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, Midnight Marauders. I wanted to get in that whole mindset and be like I was in that time period. That time is so important to me and so close to my heart that I feel almost cheated that I was too young to release an album then. So I'm trying to make up for it by making an album that I feel could be that time. Evoke that type of feeling. Also, just to do songs to show how I felt back at that time. I really wanted to do an album that reflected that time period. Up to date obviously, but something that was in that same vein.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Oh my god, Liquid Swords is an absolute classic, up there with OB4CL and 36 Chambers. Might even be my favorite collection of RZA production.. his beats are insane on that album. Every single track still bangs today, it's just an incredible album.. I wish hip-hop was still like that.

All the "it was a bad time for the empire," and "you must choose life or death" shit is freaky as fuck. When I started playing the intro I wondered what the fuck I downloaded.

[Stringer Bell]

Haha yeah, the movie samples on there are nuts. The whole album has such a dark, evil tone... gotta love it.

[QuietStorm]

It troubles me that Ras Kass has released about four good tracks (The Seance, No Love, Write Where I Left Off, new track with Royce) and about 60-plus shit tracks since his release from prison.

I don't want to say we should stick a fork in him, but he pretty much is mediocre at the moment. Oh well, he had a nice run.

[Stringer Bell]

Have you heard the whole new mixtape? I haven't just yet...

The song with Royce is incredible though.. it's a shame the rest of the mixtape sounds to be disappointing. I did think he stepped his game down a little lately, but he still has sparks of genius.

[QuietStorm]

The mixtape.... is a mixtape. Nothing really stands out other than the Royce track. He does alright on the track with Kool G Rap. But this isn't going to be in my regular rotation.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I just get kinda heated when Lil Wayne fans claim he is the second coming of Jay-Z, I mean he can reference how they have the same last name as much as he wants, he is just not on that level.

I have never heard Wayne bite Jay.. Can't say the same about Jay biting Wayne..

Just saying..

[Hack]

I downloaded Liquid Swords ages ago and got round to loosely listening to it earlier, :heart: Cold World.


Oh hell yeah. Liquid Swords, Return of the 36 and Ironman are my favorite solo Wu albums.

Anyway, I guess I should contribute. I just bought the new MF Doom box last week. Anybody else pick it up yet?

Dig the badass box art ...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000CCZQNC.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg


The bonus disc of KMD beats alone is worth the 22 bucks I paid for it.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, I bought that MF Doom shit a few weeks back as well. It's cool, but I was under the impression it was all of the Special Herbs and not just select tracks. Really not enough info on the album cover... oh well, should've checked Amazon or something.

Personally, Supreme Clientele >>>>> Ironman, but I absolutely love them both.

Krisp, dude didn't even say Wayne bites Jay :wtf:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Krisp, dude didn't even say Wayne bites Jay :wtf:

I'm just saying, if Wayne "isn't on his level", then why would Jay Z bite his shit??

I mean, it seems kind silly to copy something that he can supposedly do so much better..

Not saying that Wayne is a better MC, just pointing out, maybe people should give him more respect..

:dunno:

p.s. I agree that Supreme Clientele is Ghost Face's best solo shit to date..

[virms]

p.s. I agree that Supreme Clientele is Ghost Face's best solo shit to date..

Indeed. I heard a couple of songs yesterday at a friend's house and it definitely made me want to here the rest.

[Stringer Bell]

I'm not sure exactly what Wayne line you're referring to, but we've already been over the whole biting thing. Jay is just giving him props because he respects him.

Everyone here pretty much knows it, but I fucking love Supreme Clientele. Certainly up there in my top 5 of all time, along with Cuban Linx.

[Fro]

I actually prefer Ironman. Maybe I hold it too high, but in my mind it's the other half of Cuban Linx and a straight up Wu classic. Not that Supreme Clientele isn't also a classic, but I prefer the older RZA beats. Also, Rae's contributions take it to another level.

Now I'm gonna go listen to Assassination Day.:D

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm not sure exactly what Wayne line you're referring to, but we've already been over the whole biting thing. Jay is just giving him props because he respects him.

Kinda the point I was making.. Jay Z seems to dig him as an MC while alot of other hate on him..

"Rocafella is an Army, better yet a Navy.."

*Cash Money

[jesus sucks]

i prefer ironman.

i love SC, had it from the 1st day it come out. that had a more revolutionary style and was definately the more important release in general. because it had a new sound and was the 1st excellent wu tang album in 3 or 4 years. but i just prefer ironman.

iron maiden, wildflower, poisinous darts, winter warz, box in hand, fish, camay, daytona 500, motherless child, all that i got is you, and imo one of the best beats of all time 'the soul controller." seriously that is a top 3 RZA beat possibly. it's heavy as fuck.

i really love all of SC too except the middle of the album does get a bit shit at times doesn't it.

[Stringer Bell]

Kinda the point I was making.. Jay Z seems to dig him as an MC while alot of other hate on him..

"Rocafella is an Army, better yet a Navy.."

*Cash Money

Uhhh. That was a BG line as far as I know bro... but Jay does give Wayne a lot of (undeserved, in my eyes) props..

Ironman is definitely dope, SC runs shit in my book. 5 stars all across, while I'd give Ironman 4 1/2 personally. Both are true classics, though.

[TapOut]

I love Apathy, I'll be reading that in a second. Shame he's unhappy..

Krisp and everyone who I was debating with Wayne about... read this from my buddy Big R at words2yourmother.com. This is pretty much spot-on with my opinion of him. Just showing you where I'm coming from cause this guy puts it into much better words than myself...

The reason I'm not buying that is because nobody in this thread acted like he's the second coming. Someone posts that they enjoy an album of his or some of his work, and then you just go "Get serious" or something.

Obviously, I've no problem with you and we've been on the same page for a while now, but after reading some of the posts from the last few weeks and certainly that whole fiasco last year, it just seemed you're dead against him PERIOD. Nobody in here put him anywhere on Jay Z's level.

Basically, you've done nothing but totally trash Wayne, then there's the that bit you quoted where the guy actually gives him at least SOME props. He's saying "He's got some talent and potential, but he's no top dog". Whereas you just rip him and anyone who likes him a new one, so I'm not really seeing how that quote correlates to your feelings. Especially since, as I said, nobody in here really put him on Jay Z's level.

[Stringer Bell]

I wasn't saying it would defend my opinion on Wayne against you guys, but it would help show where I'm coming from. Maybe not here, but loads of people like to make Wayne/Jay comparisons...

I don't rip anyone who likes him a new one, at all. I just don't think he's talented. I'll agree with the guy that he's got potential, and he's definitely a hell of a lot nicer than someone like Young Jeezy, but he's still corny as hell and a weak MC in my book.

Again, I never said anyone here compared him to Jay. I didn't write that, I just agree with a lot of it. It wasn't directed towards anyone.. I just was hoping maybe it'd help maybe make people see things from my eyes a bit..

[QuietStorm]

The reason I'm not buying that is because nobody in this thread acted like he's the second coming. Someone posts that they enjoy an album of his or some of his work, and then you just go "Get serious" or something.

Obviously, I've no problem with you and we've been on the same page for a while now, but after reading some of the posts from the last few weeks and certainly that whole fiasco last year, it just seemed you're dead against him PERIOD. Nobody in here put him anywhere on Jay Z's level.

Basically, you've done nothing but totally trash Wayne, then there's the that bit you quoted where the guy actually gives him at least SOME props. He's saying "He's got some talent and potential, but he's no top dog". Whereas you just rip him and anyone who likes him a new one, so I'm not really seeing how that quote correlates to your feelings. Especially since, as I said, nobody in here really put him on Jay Z's level.
I put him on Jay-z's level. Probably because I don't like Jay-z, yet I enjoy Lil Wayne.

500 Degreez was a killer album.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Ok, you don't like Lil Wayne..

We get it..

How bout not mentioning it every f'n time we, as fans of his, are disscussing him??

[Kris P. Lettus]

p.s. Wayne said it first on the Hot Boys underground shit.. It was a tape called Magnolia Souljas or some shit..

[Stringer Bell]

Excuse me for not being up on my Weezy history :)

[TapOut]

Anybody get that J-Love/Ghostface Hidden Darts mixtape? For just a mixtape it's pretty damn good.

'The Champ' and 'Struggle' are fucking awesome. Not a huge Wu fan.. I like them, just obviously not as much as Buck, but I've downloaded two mixtapes from Wu members and both have been fucking awesome.

[Stringer Bell]

J Love always makes amazing mixtapes... he's one of the best in the game.

"The Champ" is from the new album, it's incredible... Juzt Blaze + Ghost = :eek:

[Tainted Eclipse]

Ok, you don't like Lil Wayne..

We get it..

How bout not mentioning it every f'n time we, as fans of his, are disscussing him??

Am I the only one who honestly thinks that it's a joke to him? Really, it's not a knock at him, but his videos (especially Fireman) are just hilarious, and it just seems like he's a parody of the entire rap scene, and I find it hilarious :D

But, hey, not a knock at him, just something I noticed :P

[Stringer Bell]

I know what you mean, and I'm not even trying to hate on Wayne... "Fireman" is too goofy to be serious, with the firetrucks and what not in the video.

[QuietStorm]

But it is ok for Ghostface Killah to rap about food. Nothing goofy there.

[Tainted Eclipse]

I know what you mean, and I'm not even trying to hate on Wayne... "Fireman" is too goofy to be serious, with the firetrucks and what not in the video.

"I've been handlein the game so long my THUMBS BRUISE" and the words appear on the screen :D

Greatest moment in music video history.

[Tainted Eclipse]

But it is ok for Ghostface Killah to rap about food. Nothing goofy there.

Not saying it's a bad thing. I'd rather have nonsensical goofy rapping than most subjects concentrated on in modern rap :/

[Stringer Bell]

Blah.. Ghost is dope.

Anyone remember the Group Home Livin Proof album? Premier KILLED that shit! I'm dying to get that on mp3..

[Fro]

The 'What I'm Listening to Recently' Mixtape:

1. Big L - The Big Picture (Intro)
2. Ghostface Killah and Trife - Milk Em
3. Eazy-E - Eazy Duz It
4. Cappadonna - Milk The Cow
5. Talib Kweli - Memories Live
6. Jay-Z - Come and Get Me
7. Outkast - Chonkyfire
8. Big Pun - Punish Me
9. Ghostface Killah - Black Jesus
10. Run DMC - Raising Hell
11. NWA - Express Yourself
12. Jay-Z - Watch Me
13. The Lox - Recognize
14. Common - New Wave
15. Cappadonna - Supa Ninjaz
16. Nas - Purple
17. The Roots - Sacrifice
18. Cassidy - The Problem
19. Outkast - Bust
20. T.I. - Rubber Band Man
21. GZA - Investigative Reports

[Stringer Bell]

Frof, you continue to impress me.. that's all around dope. Lots of variety.

[Adamy]

I've been listening to Who Is Mike Jones? again recently, and honestly, this is a much better album than it has any right to be. I love the weird synths, the backward strings on "Still Tippin," and the dubbed-out tracks like "Cuttin" and "Screw Dat."

[deadmanwalking*]

Three 6 Mafia

Hip Hop not being my field at all does anyone know how popular these guys are? I know they just won an oscar but were they already well known? Don't wanna know if they're good or anything but it's for something else so just little bit on info would be great.

Cheers

[Stringer Bell]

Yes, they were well known, especially among hip-hop fans. They have been pretty popular since like 97 I'd say.. "Tear Da Club Up" was their first mainstream hit, and then in 2001 or whenever they dropped "Ridin Spinnaz" they started getting even more attention.

I guess it depends on your definition of popular, but I'm sure they have their share of platinum plaques.

[QuietStorm]

I think the Sippin' Syrup song is where they hit the height of their popularity among high school and college crowds, at least until the Oscar.

[TapOut]

Yeah, they've had a lot of decent and well known songs. Well, at least as far as the ghetto is concerned. Sippin on some Sysyrup, Dis Bitch Dat Hoe, Just Another Crazy Kliq, Put Ya Sign.... and countless other songs that could be heard blaring out of many a broken down caddy.

Also, I've been listening to a lot of old school No Limit today. Good God they're underated. Yeah, they had some filler acts like Mr. Serv On and Big Ed, as well as some gimmicky songs, but man, they had some good class stuff as well. Mystikal's (I think) first solo album was great, with 'I'm On Fire' was awesome. Some of the tribute songs like RIP Kevin and Whoadie Gone... then there's stuff that's borderline like Tru Homies, Bourbans and Lacs... they had so many good hits it's unreal.

I miss No Limit. And Master P, who seems to have gone all dirty south recently instead of reinventing like he originally did. At the very least, he could keep sampling the good old-school songs like he used to do. To perfection, might I add.

Just a little rant there, since I'm at work listening to them.

[eugenespeed]

Edit: Wrong thread, sorry!

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, I wish No Limit was still bringing us classics like the good ol' days... I miss stuff like this..

http://sumish.com/images/lilsoldiers.jpg

:p

Seriously though, thinking back to the NL glory days... remember all their funky plastic cases, and each album would have a different color case? God, I blew so much money on their shit back in the day.. from C-Murder to Ghetto Dope, to Snoop's verrry mediocre debut. Snoop's follow-up was so much better.. No Limit Top Dogg I believe it was called.

[P Dandy]

Yeah, I wish No Limit was still bringing us classics like the good ol' days... I miss stuff like this..

http://sumish.com/images/lilsoldiers.jpg

:p

Seriously though, thinking back to the NL glory days... remember all their funky plastic cases, and each album would have a different color case? God, I blew so much money on their shit back in the day.. from C-Murder to Ghetto Dope, to Snoop's verrry mediocre debut. Snoop's follow-up was so much better.. No Limit Top Dogg I believe it was called.
:D

The Mercedes cover was interesting too. Why have a Parental Advisory sticker when it's already plain as day.

Yup, it was Topp Dogg. Wasn't it the first album that did not use the in house NL cover design. When I first saw it, I thought he was off NL because his first album didn't turn out so good.

[TapOut]

Say what you will about Snoop's No Limit stuff... but don't hate on 'Ghetto Symphony'. That song is crazy as hell, in a real cool way.

Like I said, you can point out Lil Soldiers and some other farces, but you can't ignore the many classic songs they put out. You just can't.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Dogg's Gonna Getcha was fat money..

Three 6 has been huge around the South since like 96-7.. Before then they were underground but I remember buying DJ Paul mixtapes and SPV Click shit in like 94-95..

[Stringer Bell]

I don't know what album "Ghetto Symphony" was on, I think Top Dogg.. it wasn't anywhere near the best song on there, I thought. But his first album on No Limit was horrible, even by his standards today.

As for classic songs, I guess it depends on your definition of classic. I know I personally won't be remembering "Make Em Say Ugh" as a classic..

[Kris P. Lettus]

TRU-True
TRU-Tru to da Game
Silk The Shocker
Master P-Ice Cream Man
Master P-Ghetto Dope
Fiend-One in Every Family

Are all classic..

[TapOut]

I don't know what album "Ghetto Symphony" was on, I think Top Dogg.. it wasn't anywhere near the best song on there, I thought. But his first album on No Limit was horrible, even by his standards today.

As for classic songs, I guess it depends on your definition of classic. I know I personally won't be remembering "Make Em Say Ugh" as a classic..

Neither will I.

But Tru Homies is. RIP Kevin is. I'm Crazy Bout Ya is. Mr. Ice Cream Man. There's too many to mention. You're just pointint out the No Limit 'anthems', which by all means were gimmicky and stuff. But it's the other stuff on the albums that were the classics.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Who got that fire,
why don't you pass me the green so I get higher..

[Stringer Bell]

Out of all the tracks you listed Tap, I've only heard "Ice Cream Man"... not that that really means anything, but I've heard a good amount of rap.

Silkk the Shocker, a classic... :eek: I'll just stop now..

[TapOut]

Look, get these five songs and then give your opinion:

RIP Kevin
Bourbans and Lacs
If I Could Change
I Miss My Homies
Tru Homies

These are the types of tracks Master P excels at. There are others, but those are some of the best. Just get them and then say what you want. Also, if you know the classic songs that some of these songs sample, you will appreciate the track even more, as P. Miller is a master sampler.

And those ARE all classics that anyone in the hood will probably know quite well, regardless of whether they like No Limit or not. It's just simple fact, really.

[Stringer Bell]

I have Bourbans and Lacs and I Miss My Homies... I had Ghetto D years ago when it was new..

I don't like Master P. He is shit in my book, I don't need to download other songs that I haven't heard.

I will say Ghetto Dope was awesome back when I owned a copy.. I just don't like that style of rap at all now though.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Haven't we aleady established that music is subjective and just because you believe something, doesn't make it true??

It's classic to me, because it was the music of my highschool.. You were turned onto it through radio and MTV.. Those songs represented things that me and the people I grew up with saw everyday..

Stop trying to belittle every f'n thing you don't like just because you don't like it.. You are the only person here that does that.. Your opiniun is not fact.. Some of the things you constantly belittle was a way of life to others..

You do know Hip Hop, but that doesn't mean you have to chime in every time something you don't like is discussed.. Again, you are the only person here that does that..

Get over yourself..

[Stringer Bell]

Goddamn.. why do you always have to critique my opinion when I go out of my way to make it clear that it's my opinion. Would this board be any fucking fun if we all agreed and had the same outlook? Fuck, you don't like my opinions... I don't bitch about yours.

I know in the past I might've come off like an asshole with my opinion, but I've made an effort to be more understanding. It's like you block out about half of the stuff I post and respond to the other half..

[Kris P. Lettus]

Thing is, it's old..

Everytime Southern Hip Hop is talked about you say the same shit..

Again, it's old..

[Stringer Bell]

Wow, I don't care. Don't read it. To me, you praising southern rap is old.. but I don't bitch about it. You can say your opinion but I can't say mine? You fucking amaze me, Krisp..

[QuietStorm]

Subjectively speaking....


IN MY OPINION, Inspectah Deck is the only elite rapper in the Wu-Tang.


K. That is what I think.

[LGHTNNG]

Goddamn.. why do you always have to critique my opinion when I go out of my way to make it clear that it's my opinion. Would this board be any fucking fun if we all agreed and had the same outlook? Fuck, you don't like my opinions... I don't bitch about yours.

I know in the past I might've come off like an asshole with my opinion, but I've made an effort to be more understanding. It's like you block out about half of the stuff I post and respond to the other half..

Yo... bitch. Shut up now. [/Carl's voice]

[Stringer Bell]

That's bizzarre QS. I can't understand that at all :(

If we're talking strictly lyrics with nothing else considered (like Ghost's unmatched emotion, or Rae's slang) , then I might be able to see where you're coming from... but what about GZA and RZA?

[Deka]

Rapper Young Jeezy Arrested in South Florida


MIAMI BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- Young Jeezy was arrested after an alleged shootout in South Beach involving some of his friends. The 28-year-old rapper, born Jay Jenkins, was charged early Saturday with two counts of carrying a concealed firearm without a permit, police said.

Jenkins was with a group of men involved in a fight around 5:30 a.m. Friday, according to a police report.

When a passer-by filming the fight refused to hand over his video camera, one of the men in the group began shooting, the report stated.

Jenkins and about nine men fled the scene in two sport utility vehicles, police spokesman Robert Hernandez told The Miami Herald.

Officers stopped both vehicles, and found a semiautomatic firearm under Jenkins' seat and another gun near the armrest when they searched his SUV.

Two members of Jenkins' group also were arrested. Tramiel De Juan Golden was charged with strong armed robbery, and Steven Lesly Savain of Kendall was taken into custody on trespassing charges stemming from previous warrant for his arrest.

Young Jeezy's album "Let's Get It" was released in July.

[Adamy]

hahaha

Young Jeezy is street.

[QuietStorm]

28 isn't very young.

[Stringer Bell]

Great, now he's gonna record a bunch of mediocre shit from jail that wannabe thugs will jump all over because he's locked up, just like Shyne's horrible last record (I know he only recorded one song from jail, but the appeal of the album seemed to be that he was "gangster" for being in jail)

I guess in one sense it's "cool" (to some, not me) that they're living up to their reputations and not talking a bunch of BS on the mic, but it still makes them look pretty damn ignorant and stupid, especially with all the violence stereotypes that are associated with hip-hop. It's far from a good thing.

[McBain]

Been loving The Herbaliser again recently, I've got "Something Wicked This Way Comes". Tis greatness.

Also been getting into Fingathing, anyone else like these guys?

[Adamy]

Jeezy raps about trapping, but that's about where it ends. He'll probably just get 8 months probation or something.

[Stringer Bell]

Either way, he's a dumbass. You don't have to prove you're "street" all the time, drop that stupid shit... especially over something so ridiculous as it sounds.

[QuietStorm]

Cassidy proved to all shitty rappers that even they can get away with it.

[Adamy]

I sincerely doubt he was trying to "prove" anything.

[Stringer Bell]

No? Why shoot off guns and cause a huge ruckus over something as stupid as someone filming a fight? And apparently Jeezy didn't actually fire himself, but still.. obviously these guys aren't his body guards, and they're riding around in SUV's with guns. Stupid.

[Adamy]

He's from the streets. That's how they live.

[Stringer Bell]

He's not in the streets anymore, he had one of the most successful albums of 2005. At some point you've got to drop the "thug" shit and grow the fuck up, especially at 28 years old.

[Matthew]

Mike Jones on Prison Break last night = ratings

[Deka]

He's gonna be on Wild 'N Out Thursday night.

Can't wait for that. Looks like he disses Nick Cannon pretty good in the commercials.

[Stringer Bell]

Oh shiiit fellas.. just got my hands on the retail of Ghostface Fishscale. 24 Fucking tracks!!!!

PM me if you're interested, but you better buy that shit on the 28th!! If any album this year has been worth your $15 so far, this is it!!!

[QuietStorm]

I dunno man, Tame One is owning this month with his albums.


Slow Suicide Stimulus is my favorite album out so far this year. It is all I have played the last few days. Yak Ballz, Cage, Camu Tao, Aesop Rock, Vast Aire are all on tracks. Plus Tame One is all over the place of course.


Camu Tao's album is definitely tops on my most anticipated albums list.

[Stringer Bell]

I liked the Slow Suicide Stimulus album too. Lots of neat, dark beats... Cage and Aesop's guest spots were really dope.

You hear Spazmatik yet? Some fucking insane production on there...

Also, that Army of the Pharaohs leaked yesterday. It's raw as hell from what I've listened to so far, what an exciting combination of emcees. Really good week for hip-hop.

[Stringer Bell]

Oh fuck... I know you're gonna love this..

Chino XL retail!!! - hxxp://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0S01GSETEUL0L2CCJV2FUAPIZ5

Wake the fuck up, QS!!!

[QuietStorm]

Is there just one new track from the earlier internet release?

[Stringer Bell]

The Poison Pen mixtape? I dunno honestly, I never got my hands on the full thing.

[.invurzion.]

Just completely off topic here.

Who in the hell is Little Vic? I just heard "The Excorcist" track on satellite radio on the way home and was amazed. Primo beat ... crazy flow. Anyone else heard this.

Oh ... and Fishscale is bananas. :yes:

[Morrison]

Been listening to Hard to Earn and Moment of Truth lately. Everytime I go back and listen to GangStarr after a brief hiatus, it amazes me how fucking smooth Guru is and how advanced he was. It's like stream of consciousness MC'ing.

[QuietStorm]

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.

[Morrison]

Can't hit home runs all of the time...

[Stringer Bell]

Ahahaha. That's definitely one of the funniest Guru lines ever... still, I'd rather hear "DWYCK" than anything on the radio today. And I definitely know what you mean Morrison, he always had that vibe like he was preaching to you, but he didn't get too intense with it.

I dunno who Little Vic is, but I bet it's a pretty nice track if he got a Primo beat.

FishScale is definitely ridiculous... I've been flipping between that, The Army of the Pharaohs, and Slow Suicide Stimulus.. but Ghost is of course getting the majority of the love!

[Fro]

I've given Fishscale a few listens now, and its deinitely dope, but so far I'm not feeling it as much as The Pretty Toney Album (which I love). But that's still just an early reaction. Tracks that stick out so far: Back Like That, Whip You With a Strap, Big Girl, and Shakey Dog. Be Easy is also a fantastic track, but I've known that since it came out months ago.

On that track with all of Wu, U-God spits the best verse, IMO. Masta and Ghost also come strong. Deck sounds hoarse as shit. Where's the RZA verse?

[Stringer Bell]

I was disappointed with U-God's verse honestly. GZA and everyone else you mentioned were dope though. I was wondering the same about RZA, I guess they figure his ad-libbing at the beginning of the track is enough. Still, it's one of my favorite tracks on the album.

I definitely think it'll grow on you. The new version of "The Champ" is mind blowing.. then you got also got "Beauty Jackson", "Dogs of War", "Underwater", tracks you mentioned like "Big Girl". I love it more everyday...


Also folks, be sure to check out my boy Big R's site over at www.words2yourmother.com He is constantly updating with the newest hip-hop news/happenings, plus he posts exclusive mp3's just about every day. Right now, he's got a brand new Kanye song from Mission Impossible 3. Check it out.

[Kris P. Lettus]

He's not in the streets anymore, he had one of the most successful albums of 2005. At some point you've got to drop the "thug" shit and grow the fuck up, especially at 28 years old.

You have no clue what you are talking about..

Because someone come into some money, they should completly change the way they live?? He's grown up living a certain way.. Kinda hard to change..

Face still hangs out with all the same people he did before his fame.. He has just been able to seperate himself from it enough to become CEO of one of the hottest lables around.. Jeezey prolly isn't as smart as Face.. None the less, it's hard to change 30 year old habbits..

[Stringer Bell]

Scarface is a grown, mature man and acts like one. You don't see him getting caught up in stupid shit like that, regardless of how he actually lives. He wouldn't do something so outlandish and stupid in public, because he knows the consequences. Jeezy however, is stuck defending his tough guy image. And yeah, he isn't very smart, that's my point.

I'm not saying guys have to start living like Will Smith when they blow up... I just think it's ridiculous whenever rappers get themselves into stupid, violent trouble and only further the negative stereotypes associated with hip-hop. Young Buck, Cassidy, Beanie, Jeezy, and so on.. all ignorant ass crimes. And I'm not hating on any specific guys, cause I love Beanie's music, but shit.. you don't have to defend your gangster status 24/7. Or maybe you do..

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm just saying, it's hard to break 20+ year old habbits..

[Stringer Bell]

No doubt

[scurvy pirate]

So far my Wu collections stands at

Wu - 36 Chambers, The W, Ironflag
Ghostface - Pretty Toney.. , Ironman, Supreme Clientele.
Method Man - Tical
GZA - Liquid Sword, Legend..
Raekwon - OB4CL
ODB - Return to the 36 chambers

What/Who should I be looking to next ? And I know nothing about the extended Wu family, so if anyone could fill me in on whos worth checking out from there it'd be much appreciated.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Masta Killa-No Said Date
GZA Vs. Muggs-Grandmasters
Gravediggaz-6 Feet Deep
RZA-Bobby Digital
Ghost Dog Soundtrack
Red and Meth-Blackout

And definantly get FOREVER.. It's prolly pound for pound the best Wu Tang album..

[Stringer Bell]

Oh god yes, buy Wu Tang Forever first thing... No disrespect, but it's truly a shame that you own The W (ESPECIALLY :() and Iron Flag but not Forever.

Everything else Krisp suggested is great, especially Six Feet Deep (technically not a Wu-affiliated album, but the group features RZA). I'd pass on Blackout for now... it's a dope album, but there's lots of other stuff still to pick up..

GZA - Beneath The Surface
Cappadonna - The Pillage
Inspectah Deck - Uncontrolled Substance
Inspectah Deck - The Movement
Ghostface - Bulletproof Wallets
Ghostface - FishScale (next week)



Plenty more, those are just some to begin with... Method Man - JD 2000 and ODB - Nigga Please are quality too but go for the ones Krisp and I listed as a general idea first..

Also, Raekwon's other solo albums are passable and have some really good songs, but don't expect another OB4CL..

[Kris P. Lettus]

Cappadonna was always weak to me when he wasn't with others..

His verse on Sweet Love is tight though..

[Kris P. Lettus]

Oh and "6 Feet Deep" was RZA's first "solo" project after Wu formed.. Their record contract was amazing in that, they could all sign with different lables, other than Loud, for their "solo" shit..

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Cappa's definitely mediocre. He has his moments though, he even looked nice next to Ghost and Rae on the original "Ice Cream". I did enjoy his debut though, I thought it had a good amount of quality tracks and some nice family guest spots. Everything after The Pillage has been below average though...

I suppose it didn't belong on the list at second thought... just a personal favorite.

And yeah, the label deal was incredible. I wasn't meaning to correct you, more just clarify it for the guy asking... I never really hear Gravediggaz mentioned when it comes to the Wu Family, despite the obvious connections. Either way, pick it up.. it's a classic!!

[Morrison]

I might be a bit biased, since it's the album that got my into the Wu, but I love The W. I like it a hell of a lot more then Forever, even.

[Stringer Bell]

:eek: Blasphemous!

[Fro]

Yea that's pretty crazy. With the exception of I Can't Go To Sleep, I don't think anything on The W can fuck with Reunited, A Better Tomorrow, It's Yourz, Triumph, Duck Seazon, Heaterz, and others from Forever.

[Kris P. Lettus]

t=That's like saying Ironman is better than Supreme Clientele..

;)

[Stringer Bell]

I wouldn't go quite that far. I love both of those, but SC edges out Ironman overall...

Whereas The W is one of my least favorite Wu albums period. It just never really "wow'd" me. Some good songs, but I rarely find myself going to play it. It's definitely not what I expected as the follow-up to Forever...

Iron Flag was a pretty nice improvement, I thought.. it's still no Forever, though.

Also, the verdict's in... TI's album is a huge disappointment. Don't call me out for hating on modern southern rap just yet either. I'm not TI's biggest fan, but he's definitely had his share of listenable songs, and has more lyrical skill than a lot of the popular guys in the south (most Houston artists). This album though is just weak, I don't seem to be the only one who thinks so either. For calling it The King and XXL giving it some ridiculous spot on their most anticipated of '06 list (#3 I think), it's a huge let-down..

[spanish announce table]

I'm one of the few who thinks the The W is awesome. Tracks like Chamber Music, Hollow Bones, Careful, and The Jump Off are damn near flawless. Production-wise, Iron Flag is weaker. That album has some of the worst Wu songs ever (Chrome Wheels & Dashing), and a bunch of decent filler (One of These Days, Radioactive). Babies, Uzi, and The Hood are the shit, though.

Forever is probably the best rap double-album, but it has its flaws. Disc one is well done, but disc two is a bit bloated. Projects, Duck Seazon, and Second Coming arent really needed, and should have been replaced by Sunshower and Diesel.

As for Wu affiliate albums, check out:
Killah Priest - Heavy Mental (one of the best albums I've ever heard)
Sunz of Man - The Last Shall Be First
Killarmy - Silent weapons for quiet wars
La the Darkman - Heist of the Century


What do you guys think of Killer Mike's album "Monster"? He's killed every guest spot I've heard him on, and the singles for his album were good, but I never bothered picking it up.

Also, Speakerboxxx is one the most well put-together albums to come out in years.

[Stringer Bell]

Nahh yo, "Projects" and "Duck Seazon" are motherfucking bangers..

Totally forgot about Heavy Mental, that was a dope album.

Is Monster the one with "ADIDAS" or is it new? I haven't gone out of my way to hear his new stuff... "ADIDAS" was a fun song but I didn't like what I heard of that Purple Ribbon CD.

[Stringer Bell]

New Lil Wayne for all you fuckers.. http://rapidshare.de/files/15037227/Tha_Carter_3_Fix-Jabo.rar.html

Supposedly it's not really The Carter 3, just "The Fix" Mixtape, stuff that didn't make the most recent Carter. I can't be bothered to figure it out myself, but I figured some of you will wanna hear it..

What's everyone been listening to??

This thread really goes through cycles of liveliness, it's always one extreme or the other...

[Morrison]

Listening to Jedi Mind Tricks a lot lately, after trying to get a friend of mine into them.

Kanye's been getting some rotations, as well.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Still quite enjoying Stop Snitchin' Stop Lyin' in parts, been listening to mostly non hip-hop lately though... I read Busta's album is ready to come out, production by Dre, J Dilla, Pharrell, Timbo, Just Blaze etc. might be worth a download

[Stringer Bell]

Busta's album looks great on the production side, it'll be interesting to see how it comes out. His tracks with Jay Dee were always my favorites. He's got plenty of charisma and intensity, but I haven't been able to get into him for the last few albums. Actually, everything after his second one was average I thought. Some great songs, but lots of average and poor songs as well. But yeah, The Coming was insane at the time.. and I liked When Disaster Strikes a lot as well.

Jedi Mind are dope for sure, lots of good production. What albums you listening to?

For me, it's been a lot of these in rotation for the past week..

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000003R65.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000000ZT1.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E97HB2.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg $7 at BestBuy on Tuesday! Cop that!!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000K073.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000BJNTTO.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V56887786_.jpg

[Deka]

What you know about that...I know all about that...

[Myron Hardy]

Go check out Big Mike Presents Grafh: Bring That Money Back Mixtape, if you want I might upload it for you. If you don't know about Grafh, you better go get some of his earlier freestyles, sick sick, funny ass rapper. Definately going to be big someday.

[Morrison]

Jedi Mind are dope for sure, lots of good production. What albums you listening to?

Mostly Violent By Design, because that's Paz at his rawest(Legacy of Blood has it's moments, but it's just a weaker album, overall), which I've been in the mood for lately, and a key in getting my friend to listen. But whenever I get in the mood for JMT, I always have to give a listen to the Psycho-Social LP. Rivals Enter the Wu-Tang as the spookiest, grittiest production, for me.

[QuietStorm]

The Black Heart Procession.


Not rap, but it does have the word black in it.

[Stringer Bell]

No doubt, Violent By Design is definitely my favorite, especially as far as Vinnie's stuff goes. They haven't released a bad, or even mediocre, album though, in my eyes.

Myron, as for Grafh.. he's not really anything new, or special to be honest. He's definitely got his moments, "The Damage Is Done" got a lot of play from me in 2004. As far as mixtape-based up-and-comers go though, I still gotta give it to Saigon. He's funnier and more entertaining than Grafh, if you ask me. He's definitely a good emcee, just nothing we haven't heard before.

[QuietStorm]

YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE IT IF I TOLD YOU....


but i am listening to legacy of blood right now.

[residue]

Heart of tha Streetz Vol. 2 (I Am What I Am)
B.G niggas :yes:

[Stringer Bell]

Legacy of Blood had its share of bangers. Newer JMT is great angry, ignorant music.

[Kris P. Lettus]

BuckMarley, does Tony Yayo give you a shout out at the end of "Drama Setter"??

O_o

[QuietStorm]

Young Buck Marley?

[Kris P. Lettus]

He says "Buck Marley" then "Young Buck"...

[Stringer Bell]

I dunno, I was under the impression it was Young Buck's nickname.. no idea what he meant in that case. For the record, my username is not affiliated with G-Unit in any way :)

[QuietStorm]

PoisonPenned (3:04:18 AM): i'm just a fan and i dont mean to waste your time, but i just wanted to say your album is next on my must-buy list....
packfm (3:04:34 AM): thnx bro
PoisonPenned (3:05:05 AM): no prob, good luck with it all.... peace
packfm (3:05:16 AM): peace



So what is next on your buy list?

[spanish announce table]

Ghostface - Fishscale (isnt out until next Tuesday in Canada)
AOTP - The Torture Papers
Nature Sounds Presents...Natural Selection

[Stringer Bell]

That Nature Sounds compilation is dope, pretty much every track is quality..

As for PackFM, I haven't heard too much, but he's QN5 and he repped for Dave Ellis, so he's all good in my book.

[Adamy]

Man, even Ghostface hates on "Laffy Taffy."

[Stringer Bell]

Aha, what brought that up?

Probably the funniest moment of the Wu concert, Ghost clowing that track... "That's that bullshit!... That bullshit!" in tune with the beat :lol:

[LOCONUT]

http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/IMG/arton2740-150x150.jpg

not their best work, but the best Daz production in a few years...

[Deka]

Anybody else going to see ATL?

[Stringer Bell]

Not personally, no. I will say I was suprised to see it got a PG-13 rating. They obviously want to market it towards a wide demographic, but it seems like that movie is in need of an R rating. I'm not saying movies have to have high ratings to be good, but come on... how fun is it really gonna be as a PG-13 movie? Look at all the classic "hood" movies... Menace II Society, Boyz N Tha Hood, Friday, and so on.. more recently, even Hustle & Flow.

I just think PG-13 for that kinda movie seems tame, that's all. I'm sure it'll be borderline, though.

[Deka]

Well, the movie seems to be more about dispelling society's current lust for the gangster lifestyle and showing that there are other avenues for young people to achieve prosperity. So, a PG-13 rating seems appropriate to me. Wouldn't want to keep the main demographic that the film is targeted toward out of the theaters.

[QuietStorm]

If that is true then :yes:. It will still suck though, so I'll just waste my money on Ice Age 2.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Got Fishscale Tuesday for $8..

:cool:

Buck, you know your avatar isn't the actual album cover, right??

[Stringer Bell]

That $7 deal at BestBuy is nuts, you'd have to be foolish to not pick it up for a price like that...

And yeah I do, but I like my avatar a lot more than the final cover.

[QuietStorm]

25 Aesop Rock Quotables:


1) I paint a portrait from my cell called life inside the tortoise shell
tortured, orbiting hell's orchid intrigued but not compelled.

2) I am not a crook. I cook the wick at both ends just to blend that element of chance with my tight rope dance.

3) My nourishment's provided in the summer. So then I wonder how y'all chasing dreams when what's tangible still outruns you?

4) I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent.

5) The maintenance of icicle spirit by the warmth of true endearment was, is, and forever will be a luxury.

6) If it ain't the nifty faith of 1958, before the new new testament approved altar boy fisting rape. So take me to your leader as long as he don't manipulate toddler beaver. Call me crazy but I bet that wasn't God's demeanor.

7) I died the day my nameless creator and I bumped eyelids, swear to Christ we saw the same thing for a second.

8) My friend's got a book about dreams. I look and laugh. I dreamed a book about my friends and still can't decipher the half.

9) Beanstalk with a fiend walk and my name is mud but that's got a ring to it so my soil welcomes the flood.

10) Voyage S.S. Martyr. Who you think put that unseen iceberg in the water? Manufacture flotsam and jetsam from out your charter. We got the once pushovers pushing back a little harder.

11) I catalog cats as welcome mats, and for the ones insisting on dimming the stars, I wipe my sneakers extra hard.

12) I interviewed the sun, he said the future's looking bright. I interviewed the rain, he claimed the sun's truly an asshole. I was supposed to interview the snow today but of course he flaked.

13) I saw a blind man with a dog screaming "some day i'll see it all" and then he sat down with his hammer and saw.

14) Life's not a bitch, life is a beautiful woman. You only call her a bitch because she won't let you get that pussy. Maybe she didn't feel y'all shared any similar interests. Or maybe you're just an asshole who couldn't sweet talk the princess.

15) There's smoke in my iris, but I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids. So I'm ready now (What you ready for?). I'm ready for life in this city, and my wings have grown almost enough to lift me.

16) This fallen angel could stitch a wing with a shoestring. Prime directive selects reflective aviation bathed in mood swing. I'm broke; I know a walking corpse that spit icicle dagger to slit throat quicker than you can prove there's four letters in hope.(h...o...p...e)

17) I'm a sovereignty columnist fathering doom document. Cursed version of a certain Virgin Mary womb occupant.

18) Whose that walking with a hole in his head? It's big bad Bazooka Tooth, I came to break bread.

19) Got caught up in the universe trying to zoom in on stardom.

20) Mother fucker, my word is born like Siamese triplets with doctor/lawyer/rocket scientist promise. Let them grow leisurely.

21) I told this cat the earth was flat, he walked 'til his beard grew long enough to strangle himself for being stupid.

22) I lay the law down upon its belly with my foot dug in between the 3rd and 4th disk yelling "break yourself".

23) Life's not a bitch.... life is a biotch who keeps the villagers circling the marketplace out looking for the g spot.

24) Nowadays even the babies got guns. Diaper snipers having clock tower fun. Misplace the bottle, might catch a bad one. Have a mid life crisis when you're 10 years young.

25) If the Jesus piece around your neck is bigger than your pistol, it makes homocide okey dokey and your god will forgive you. Just show the saints at heaven's gate you should be on the list. I hear he overlooks manslaughter for a tatooed crucifix.

[Stringer Bell]

Some of that stuff is truly incredible. You could go on and on with Aesop Quotables...

[raymondjackso25]

Have any of yall ever heard of K-Rino. He is probably the tightest rapper that most people have never heard of.
here's a few quotes:

-"I'll leave ya defense deliquent, an ultrasound showed I was seen frequent in an unborn embryo's dream sequence"

-"My gradual mastery of my mental capacity,casting you fast and rapidly into a paragraph cardio-myapothy"

-"Deliberately deliver his DNA to a synical feminist, stood mirror-less, gazed at brick walls and seen physical images"

-"He my voice and it wakes, people sleeping in Spain with the noise that it makes, Hangin in jungles tradin venom poisonous snakes"

[Stringer Bell]

Looks okay, but he's no Aesop :p

[QuietStorm]

Haha, that dude so patterns himself after Canibus. It is obvious.

[Morrison]

Listening to Fishscale right now, getting a feel for it. "The Champ" is fucking awesome, and the Wu track is great.

[Stringer Bell]

Fishscale grows on you more and more I think. The only track (other than skits) I skip is "Back Like That".. "Clipse of Doom" and "Momma" aren't favorites, but they're listenable. Love the production on the album.

Trek Life's Price I've Paid getting a lot of rotation too.. he's a dope emcee from Cali, www.myspace.com/treklife if you wanna check him out at all.

I'm digging this quote from Just Blaze about Saigon's album. Personally, it's one of my most anticipated albums of the year, looks like it could be the best debut for sure.


B: Not the whole album, but I'm doing the majority of it, and I'm executive producing it. A lot of the outside producers, they'll still be hot. I think I'm the only producer, besides Alchemist, who has a name. Besides that, Scram Jones; he has a good chemistry with Saigon. With him, I have to say at a certain point, like, I could call Lil Jon and get a beat, I could call Pharrell, I could call other producers in the mainstream vein, but it wouldn't fit. It would sound totally out of place. I'd like to just keep it consistent, just keep that New York feel through his whole album.

[raymondjackso25]

Haha, that dude so patterns himself after Canibus. It is obvious.
actually K-Rino has been rapping since the early 80's. Canibus is not even on K-Rino's level. And he's not Aesop, Aesop is more peotis with his word is how i would describe it, were as K-Rino is more deliberate and straight forward. But i never heard any Aesop songs, but i've heard nothing but good stuff about him for years.

I was just sharing for the people that are tired of all the bling rap and the neo-soul type of shit.

[Kris P. Lettus]

:mfdoom:

http://ehhh.be/MFdoom.gif

[Stringer Bell]

Grabbed Madlib's Beat Konducta Vol. 1-2. Great stuff... definitely deserves to be one of my few purchases so far this year.

Also found Killah Priest's Heavy Mental and the Sunz of Man debut, $3.99 each used!

[Kris P. Lettus]

Heavy Mental is a great album.. Can't remember if those two tracks from Wu Cronicles Vol II are on it.. "Burried on a Battlefield" and the one that goes with it..

Good album, none the less..

[XDrugfreeninjaX]

I'm not sure I'm feeling fishscale yet. I think I need a few more listens to really let it grow on me.

[Stringer Bell]

That's your own problem, brother.

[XDrugfreeninjaX]

That's your own problem, brother.

Yes, yes it is. And maybe it'll become resolved if the albums grows on me, and maybe it won't.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Smoke some weed, you pussy..

[XDrugfreeninjaX]

Smoke some weed, you pussy..

No thanks, I'm good.

[Stringer Bell]

Mad underrated and slept on album... hell, I'd even go as far to say it was the most slept on mainstream release of '05....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CC4VD.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Not a bad track to be honest. Easily Beanie's best work. Great production pretty much all the way through, some fun guest spots... the wildest Redman verse in years on "One Shot Deal". He kills it! And Beans does nice for himself side by side with Red, says a lot about how much he's improved. Just a great all around album that I thought deserved a lot more attention... as far as mainstream shit, it was one of the most quality albums I heard all year. Beanie impressed me lyrically too.. he's no GOAT, but he stepped his game up and comes with a lot of nice personal shit here, "real talk" as they say. Dope album!

[Kris P. Lettus]

As a huge fan of Beanie, I'll agree with everything except it being his best work..

His older work is much more "personal".. Tracks like "What's Your Life Like" and "Mom's Praying" are some of the most touching rap songs of all time..

The Reason>The Truth>The B. Coming

But I :heart: all his shit so..

:\

p.s.do you listen to Killer Mike?? He's the only rapper around that can be compared to Beanies style..

[Stringer Bell]

I dunno man, personally, I enjoyed The B. Coming the most. The other albums had great songs like you mentioned, I just felt B Coming had excellent song selection. Even the mediocre songs like "Don't Stop" (the only radio-friendly song on the album, too) were listenable and fairly decent. It might not have his best songs, but I thought it was the best selection of songs myself. The production is so nuts!!

I find ranking it last among his work a bit questionable, but each to his own! I just think it's the closest he's come to that classic that he may or may not be capable of. Either way, he's done a lot better for himself than Memphis Bleek..

I'm not making the Beanie/Killer Mike connection man... do you mean style as in the way they actually rap or their subject matter?

[Kris P. Lettus]

Flow and tone..

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Been dipping into my hiphop cd selection more recently, practically forgot I even owned these two

http://images.windowsmedia.com/img/prov_u/300_80/00731454208222_800x800.jpg

http://images.windowsmedia.com/img/prov_u/300_80/00731458691020_800x800.jpg

[Kris P. Lettus]

You were doing a vanity search, weren't you, you bastard??

:heart:

The Fix is in my top 10 albums of all time..

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

hahaha, would I? :heart:

I'm downloading The Best Of/Greatest Hits right now, don't even know what the tracklist is but it can't be bad..

[Kris P. Lettus]

I heard from Phinjaprint (Banner's DJ) that Face's new shit is more Hip Hop meets the South, not just Sourthern Hip Hop.. Prolly gonna pick it up this week..

[Stringer Bell]

That Rakim album has some hot songs, but should've been so much better...

The Fix is definitely a classic.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Is that One Hunnid or My Homies pt. 2?

[Kris P. Lettus]

The Product: One Hunid

[QuietStorm]

Why doesn't Masta Ace get more love when talking about the all-time greats?

[Stringer Bell]

Shit, he does in my eyes. He's Top Ten for sure. A lot of people don't even realize how long he's been in the game, it's crazy... "The Smyphony" video :lol:

Long Hot Summer was a frontrunner for my favorite album of 2004.

[Stringer Bell]

T.O.'s new rap song!

http://www.terrellowens.com/index.php

Wait for it to load and enjoy some of the hottest shit since K-Fed.

My favorite line right now is "To a hater that said I wouldn't get my money, I'm laughin in ya face... haha, that's funny". Pure sickness.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

The Product: One HunidJust finished downloading, gonna listen to that shit right now

[Kris P. Lettus]

As I said, I haven't heard it but it was highly recomended to me by Print..

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

It's alright, my favourite tracks are I'm A and In the Hood.

The Greatest Hits, as you would probably expect, is just Face at his best. Haven't heard much of his old stuff but my three of my favourite tracks from The Fix (Keep Me Down, Heaven, In Cold Blood) aren't on there, guess that's testament to how many real tracks Face has laid down over the years.

[spanish announce table]

Fishscale review

Shakey Dog - Dope storytelling track like only Ghost can do. The sample used for the beat was flipped better on the Lex Diamond Story. 8/10

Kilos - La the Darkman used the same beat before, which makes the track not as good as it could have been. Nice to hear Rae & Ghost on a track that sounds like it could have been on Ironman. 8/10

The Champ - This track is awesome, but the bootleg version was much better. Must have been some sample clearance issues. Ghost should have left the original second verse in there (Took my hand to jail for writing murder...). 9.5/10

9 Milli Bros - RZA's adlibs were just cut from 'Fast Cars', and Dirty's verse is cut from 'Intoxicated', but that doesnt bring the track down. Method Man and Cappadonna kill the track. 9/10

Beauty Jackson - This is a Camay type track, and should have been longer. Love the Dilla beat. 7.5/10

Crack Spot - Awesome beat, with great storytelling. 8.5/10

RAGU - Pete Rock supplies a sick beat, and Ghost & Rae show chemistry like only they can. 9/10

With You With a Strap - Love the Luther Ingram sample. Not many rappers could make a track like this work. 8/10

Back Like That - Not exactly Wildflower, but a decent radio single. 7.5/10

Be Easy - The first track I heard from this album, and its a banger. Could be a good choice for a single. 8/10

Clipse of Doom - MF Doom is sick on the beat, and Ghost & Trife kill it. Trife should have had a full verse. 8.5/10

Jellyfish - Not a bad song, but not as good as the others. 7/10

Dogs of War - This was released a while ago under the title of "Family Affair". Solid posse cut. 8/10

Barbershop - Ghost only raps for about 50 seconds, but the beat is nice. Points deducted only for length. 7/10

Big Girl - This track is like 'Holla', with Ghost rapping right over the track instead of sampling it. Again, not many rappers could make this work. 8.5/10

Underwater - I'm really feeling this beat, and the content is just bugged. 9/10

Momma - This is just as heartfelt as 'All that I got is you'. Beautiful shit. 9/10

3 Bricks - I'm not a fan of recycling Biggie verses, but unlike most remakes, this is something Big would actually spit over. 8.5/10

A lot of people say this is the best Wu album since Supreme Clientele, but I would say its just about even with No Said Date and Grandmasters. The skits break up the flow of the album, but thankfully they're kept short.

8.5/10

[Kris P. Lettus]

No Said Date is the greatest Wu album since Forever, but that's just personal preference..

[Stringer Bell]

As dope as No Said Date is, I can't possibly rank it above SC

Good review SAT.. I liked both versions of "The Champ" a lot though. There's a longer "Barbershop" on the bootleg too, if you don't have it..

[Fro]

I recently downloaded 6 Feet Deep by Gravediggaz because it was discussed in the thread and all I can say is :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:. Fantastic album.

[spanish announce table]

Prince Paul did an incredible job on the beats, and all 3 MC's complement each other well. Definitely an overlooked album.

The second Gravediggaz album was good, but there was no Paul anywhere on it. There are some incredible beats by 4th Disciple though :eek: Dangerous Mindz

[Kris P. Lettus]

That's the Sickle, The Shovel, Whatever one right??

[Stringer Bell]

GHOSTFACE TONIGHT! :D

[Kris P. Lettus]

I hate you so much right now..

:(

[Stringer Bell]

Night was insane... almost as dope as the Wu show, you guys know I bust nuts for Ghost....

All I can say is,

http://myspace-885.vo.llnwd.net/00644/58/83/644203885_l.jpg

[Kris P. Lettus]

I hate you so much right now..

:(

:cry:

[Simon]

R.I.P. Proof :\

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah fuck, what a shitty year for hip-hop... we are losing way too much talent.

RIP.

[spanish announce table]

I cant say I was a fan of Proof, but its a damn shame that this is still happening in hip-hop.

[Hack]

Why did nobody tell me that RJD2 released a version of "Through the Walls" where Ric Ocasek does the vocals? Crazy, man, crazy.

Speaking of RJD2, anybody get "Magnificent City"? From what I heard, it kind of sucked ... Aceyalone's fault, not the production. I still might pick it up, though.

Oh, and anybody that hasn't bought Donuts yet, go get it, you asshole.

[QuietStorm]

Don't waste your money. Instead get his new Soul Position album with Blueprint. MUCH better.

[Hack]

That's probably what I'll do, especially since Soul Position is touring next month and I'll probably catch a show.

Oh, and I picked up Madlib's new album yesterday .... pretty fucking great, kids, pretty fucking great.

[Hack]

Storm, have you already picked up the new Soul Position? How's it compare with their first disc?

[QuietStorm]

I have heard the album through the benefit of Soulseek. It is enjoyable. Good hip hop. RJ has shown a lot of improvement working with emcees in the past year.

[Deka]

I like that fitted cap J Dilla is wearing in your sig.

[Stringer Bell]

I like the Soul Position album a lot myself. It's just fun ass, real hip-hop. I can't wait to see them live in May, I imagine RJ will be incredible live.

Loving the sig Hack. I honestly think Donuts has been getting more spins for me than any other '06 album, even Fischscale. It's that fucking good.. some of those beats just blow my mind, they're almost atmospheric. I can't wait for the next LP they're putting the finishing touches on..

As for Beat Konducta, that's amazing stuff too. I've seen people say thety like it more than Donuts. I can't go that far just yet, but it's definitely a great album.. Madlib just might have a breakthrough year. Should be interesting to hear Doom over some of those tracks for Madvillain 2.

[Hack]

Some of those beats are going to be part of the new Madvillain? I had no idea.

I know I've read somewhere that the Madvillain album is already done, as is the Doom and Ghostface album. Release those fucking things!

I'd love to hear Doom rap over some of these Beat Konducta beats, especially the Volume 2 tracks. And "Open (Space)" from Volume 1 would be great.

And, yeah, Donuts is hard to get tired of. I don't think you can get tired of it. Hell, "Lifeworks" alone is worth the $10 I bought it for. And you said they're working on releasing more stuff ... is that from the same era as Donuts or is it older J Dilla stuff? I would love to even hear some beats he was working on when he was working with Common, etc.

I still haven't bought Champion Sound, but I might have to pretty soon. I don't really ever download stuff for free, or I'd have it that way. I just don't have a ton of extra cash right now.

I'm seeing Soul Position in May, too ... should be awesome. I hope they do that track from Deadringer live when they perform, even though it isn't off of a Soul Position disc.

[Stringer Bell]

Well, that's the word at least. I can't remember if I was reading something from Doom or Madlib, but they definitely hinted that some of the beats could wind up on Madvillain 2.

Yeah, I'm really hyped for both of those albums, especially Doom/Ghost..

I believe the next album is more stuff from the Donuts period that he recorded at the hospital, but I could be wrong. The title is escaping me at the moment... there's some info about it in the new issue of Scratch, really nice little tribute to Dilla with his friends, peers, and even his mother giving their insight on the legend.

If you haven't heard the Slum Village albums Fantastic (Volumes 1&2), then definitely go after those. Early Dilla masterpieces for sure, and they seem to be very easy to find now after his passing.

Champion Sound is a dope album. I'd be more than happy to send it to you if you'd lke.

I never knew you were so into quality hip-hop.. guess you just haven't been posting a whole lot lately.

[Hack]

I never knew you were so into quality hip-hop.. guess you just haven't been posting a whole lot lately.


Thanks, I think, though I don't know why you'd assume I liked bad hip-hop. I've been a Doom/Madlib/Quasimoto/DJ Shadow/RJD2/etc and Wu-Tang fan for a long time, just never heard much J Dilla until the last little while.

I'll probably just buy Champion Sound, I've heard some bad things and I've heard some good things, but I'm definately getting Welcome 2 Detroit very soon. I might get the instrumental disc instead, but I'll definately get one or the other.

Has anybody heard this album before? ...

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000HYAK.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

It's DJ Shadow and Dan the Automator remixing scores from old Bollywood films ... very badass stuff. I picked it up used a few weeks ago in St. Louis and I'm loving it. Check it out, bitches, especially if you love Shadow's drum work.

[Stringer Bell]

Nah, I didn't mean for it to sound like that at all... just I had never really seen you post much about any of that stuff, that's all.

[Hack]

Does anybody actually own Welcome 2 Detroit? I want to pick it up online, but I've read in so many reviews that the rapping kind of sucks ... and the samples on iTunes aren't enough for me to tell ... so, anyway, I was thinking about picking up the instrumental version instead. It's even cheaper on Amazon (11.99 compared to 15.99). So, anyway, if anybody owns it, I'd like to hear some advice. Thanks, bitches.

[Stringer Bell]

Nah, that's one of the few J Dilla projects I haven't had the chance to hear. I'd stick with the Instrumental myself, as I've heard great things about it and I'm sure it's class. No first-hand opinion though, sorry.

[bobster]

<---- It's bobster :wtf:

A rare post.... Gotta say that Soul Position album is SICK. If you haven't got it yet download/buy/borrow/steal it as soon as.

Got Donuts and Fishscale too but not got round to listening to them in full yet because I can't stop listening to "Things go better...".

[Hack]

That Doom picture is awesome.

[Adamy]

I really, really like Lupe Fiasco.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Lupe's debut is pretty cool. I think some people are flipping out a little too much over it, but it's definitely a really solid and refreshing album. Hope he doesn't scrap it.

As fun as "Things Go Better with RJ and Al" is, I can't say it's been getting anywhere near as many spins as other albums this year..

[Stringer Bell]

The more I listen to Lupe's album, I like it...

Very impressed.

Anyone know who sings on "Never Lies"? Sounds like Jonah Matranga of Far/onlinedrawing/whatever he does these days.. he did vocals on some Fort Minor tracks, so I guess the connection's there.


www.sumish.com folks! Dope site..

[Hack]

I picked up Things Go Better with RJ and Al finally and I'm definately digging it. "I Need My Minutes," tongue-in-cheek or not, sucks balls, but that's the only track I don't like.

I've read some people saying RJ sounds like he's finished or something, but it's just that he can't be as crazy when he's making beats for somebody to rap over, especially for a project as care-free as this. With that said, I do wish this disc had a few instrumentals. The intro doesn't quite count.

Standout tracks: "The Extra Mile," "Blame it on the Jager" and "I'm Free."

It should be a kickass show next month.

[Hack]

I had never heard of Dabrye, but his new single is on iTunes and it features Doom. Seems pretty great ... anybody heard of this guy?

[Idioteque]

I had never heard of Dabrye, but his new single is on iTunes and it features Doom. Seems pretty great ... anybody heard of this guy?


no.

nobody has.

[Hack]

Well look who it is. What's up, you beast? Shouldn't you be making movies by now?

[Idioteque]

Well look who it is. What's up, you beast? Shouldn't you be making movies by now?


ha.

not much. just working.

i AM making a movie, actually... associate producing.

it's not great, but it's a start. and it's not mine. so i don't care much past getting it made.

also, the new tool album leaked today.

and i got it.

and it rules.

[Adamy]

I saw Ghostface last night. :wiggle:

[Stringer Bell]

:D

[QuietStorm]

I heard the show sucked. From a couple different people.

[Stringer Bell]

What's sucking is this new Mobb Deep album... so much for it being a "true Mobb" disc... G-Unit is ALL over it. I can handle a few songs, but these guys were making classics before anyone knew who 50 Cent was. Do they really need him and his crew on 3/4th's of the CD?

Hack.. you fuck with the Mavericks too? Hell of a season this year.. hope they can carry it over into the playoffs!

[Fro]

Yea Mobb Deep sold out big time. Fuck G-Unit and anyone who would sacrifice real hip hop to sell records. But then again, I haven't liked anything from Mobb since The Infamous, so I don't really care.

[QuietStorm]

I haven't bothered with Mobb Deep since Murda Muzik/H.N.I.C.

[QuietStorm]

Hack.. you fuck with the Mavericks too? Hell of a season this year.. hope they can carry it over into the playoffs!
Pistons will put a quick end to Avery and company, if the Mavs somehow make it that far....

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Murda Muzik was their last great album... I did enjoy some stuff from Amerikaz Nightmare too. No idea what they're thinking this time around though.. I've given this album a few shots now and nothing at all stands out. Prodigy is as bad as ever.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

link?

[Stringer Bell]

http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CF24735765F25A21

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Download limit reached, nevermind.

You're a legend for even having a link that lets me download albums in a couple of minutes, anyway.

Any other full albums on that site I should check out?

[Stringer Bell]

I'll try to grab you another one, sorry..

Here ya go, this link shouldn't die anytime soon

http://rapidshare.de/files/18435607/Mobb_Deep-Blood_Money-2006-RapGodFathers.com.rar.html

Password for the RAR is www.rapgodfathers.com

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BuckMarley again.

[Adamy]

I heard the show sucked. From a couple different people.

Sean Price was okay, Trife was shitty, and 'Face looked really blazed, but I thought it was a good show. The DJ blew the speakers about five minutes into Ghostface's set though. And the crowd kinda sucked. But I had fun.

[Deka]

Alright, general question for all of you guys.

What is your stance on the use of the word "nigger" or "nigga" in hip hop?

Do you think it's okay or do you think that it is being overused? Do you think it should have ever been used in the first place? I know the oldest rap song I ever remember hearing the word used in is The Juice Krew's, "Ghetto Symphony by Big Daddy Kane in a verse that went: "My mouth is a gun...on suckas I pull it. The trigga'. You figua' (figure). My pockets gettin' bigga'. Cause when it comes to money, yo', grands my nigga." Needless to say, I was a little taken back when I first heard it, because I had always assumed that all old-school rappers refrained from using the word in their music. And I thought that, if any of them used it, it was heard only in more of the underground music of that era. But, it surprised me to hear it in that song, considering how huge a hit "Ghetto Symphony" was back in the day.

Anyway, before hearing your take on this situation, I'll give you mine.

I think the word is increasingly getting more and more popular. It's not just rap music where you'll hear the word anymore. You hear it in movies and on television all the time nowadays. The word is spit out like it's nothing. Blacks, as well as latinos call themselves the word on a regular basis. It's been used in those circles in the past, but never to this level of public display. I can't say I don't get a chuckle out of someone passing by me in their car, blasting their music, and hearing, "Nigga this...Nigga that...Nigga what...Nigga who!" blaring through their speakers as a group of old white women are walking on the sidewalk. The reactions are always priceless, especially when it's a white person driving the car.

But anyway, my stance is that the word is being overused. It's like these rappers can't make one song without using the word. And when they do make a track without using the word in one of their rhymes, it's shocking. I've heard the argument that the word is being used so heavily in order to "soften" it's blows when racist people use it. Well, in theory, that sounds like an idea. But, in reality, it just makes blacks and latinos look stupid. Running around calling eachother "ignorant bastards", as a "term of endearment".

I miss the days when rapper's could make a decent song with using that word. It's sad that they can't seem to get it through their skulls that they are only setting their people back 60 years, not helping anything at all. And, if they do realize that...then maybe they are "niggas".

Your turn! :hyper:

[Stringer Bell]

Damn, you saw Sean Price open for him? That's dope... Ill Bill did some shows out west too, would've liked to see him too. M-1 was great, but he's not a favorite of mine. We had some technical problems too, but that didn't take away from much.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Wow... yeah that was weak.

I'm loving Nas/Game Don't Body Yourself Remix at the moment.

[Morrison]

Is 'nigga' overused?

Yeah. Q-Tip said it best when he explained; '... we embrace adversity, it goes right with the race. And being that we use it as a term of endearment...'

However, it's gotten to the point where it's used as a nickname instead of a call of racial empowerment. But it happens with all slang and vernacular. There was a time when calling someone 'dude' was hip and with it...

[Adamy]

Alright, general question for all of you guys.

What is your stance on the use of the word "nigger" or "nigga" in hip hop?

Do you think it's okay or do you think that it is being overused? Do you think it should have ever been used in the first place? I know the oldest rap song I ever remember hearing the word used in is The Juice Krew's, "Ghetto Symphony by Big Daddy Kane in a verse that went: "My mouth is a gun...on suckas I pull it. The trigga'. You figua' (figure). My pockets gettin' bigga'. Cause when it comes to money, yo', grands my nigga." Needless to say, I was a little taken back when I first heard it, because I had always assumed that all old-school rappers refrained from using the word in their music. And I thought that, if any of them used it, it was heard only in more of the underground music of that era. But, it surprised me to hear it in that song, considering how huge a hit "Ghetto Symphony" was back in the day.

Anyway, before hearing your take on this situation, I'll give you mine.

I think the word is increasingly getting more and more popular. It's not just rap music where you'll hear the word anymore. You hear it in movies and on television all the time nowadays. The word is spit out like it's nothing. Blacks, as well as latinos call themselves the word on a regular basis. It's been used in those circles in the past, but never to this level of public display. I can't say I don't get a chuckle out of someone passing by me in their car, blasting their music, and hearing, "Nigga this...Nigga that...Nigga what...Nigga who!" blaring through their speakers as a group of old white women are walking on the sidewalk. The reactions are always priceless, especially when it's a white person driving the car.

But anyway, my stance is that the word is being overused. It's like these rappers can't make one song without using the word. And when they do make a track without using the word in one of their rhymes, it's shocking. I've heard the argument that the word is being used so heavily in order to "soften" it's blows when racist people use it. Well, in theory, that sounds like an idea. But, in reality, it just makes blacks and latinos look stupid. Running around calling eachother "ignorant bastards", as a "term of endearment".

I miss the days when rapper's could make a decent song with using that word. It's sad that they can't seem to get it through their skulls that they are only setting their people back 60 years, not helping anything at all. And, if they do realize that...then maybe they are "niggas".

Your turn! :hyper:

I think it's funny that Paul Wall doesn't say "nigga." Other than that I take a pretty Deridian stance in regards to the word.

[Deka]

There was a time when calling someone 'dude' was hip and with it...

Hey! Dude is still cool. :yesyes:

But anyway, it just pisses me off. There are still ALOT of people out there who are extremely offended by the word and for them, that is never going to change. But, it's like the word is becoming more and more of a common thing to be heard in mainstream media.

It's not even considered heavy profanity anymore. I was watching "ATL" awhile back, which is a PG-13 movie and they used the word about 6 times. That's not counting all the times it was yelled out in many of the rap songs they played in the backround during different scenes in the movie.

[Stringer Bell]

I think the reason it's become so common in rap music is simply because it's a regular part of vernacular and everyday talk for a lot of people involved in hip-hop, as Morrison touched on. They're simply taking their everyday conversations and fitting it into songs.

I think it's a good thing that Paul Wall, Eminem, Cage (anymore at least) and other white emcees don't use the word. There's enough young white kids walking around now thinking it's perfectly fine for them to use the word as it is, we don't need white rappers making that look acceptable.

I don't think the words going anywhere. Even groups whose message is heavil race-involved, like Dead Prez, use the word..

[Hack]

What are everybody's favorite Madlib albums? He's done so many fucking projects, and I haven't heard every one, but I'm just curious what stands out as people's favorites.

I'll pick 6 ...

1. Quasimoto - The Unseen
2. Madvillain - Madvillainy
3. Madlib - Beat Konducta Vol. 1 & 2
4. That first Lootpack album
5. Quasimoto - The Further Adventures
6. That Sound Directions disc

I haven't heard the M.E.D. solo disc, or the Dudley Perkins stuff, or his stuff on the Oh No albums, so I can't say how good those things are, sadly.

Just trying to get you bitches to talk ...

C'mon feet ...

[Stringer Bell]

What about Shades of Blue??? :(

I'll have to get back to you with my list..

Dudley Perkins is sounding great so far. And I haven't heard MED's album either unfortunately, only that 'Bang Ya Head' or whatever mixtape.

[Hack]

Trust me, I dig Shades of Blue. I've blown hundreds of dollars of Blue Note jazz (Lee Morgan, Horace Silver, Monk, the one Coltrane disc, the early Miles, Wayne Shorter, Freddie Hubbard, Herbie, etc.), so I was especially excited when I heard that Shades of Blue existed. I just don't like it as much as those others. Maybe if I wasn't already such a big Blue Note fan, I'd like it more, but when I want to hear jazz that great, I just listen to the original stuff. And I love me some Lord Quas so much, it has to be on top.

[Stringer Bell]

That makes sense. To be perfectly honest, I had heard the album before I really understood the concept. I think I just hold it in such high regard because it helped get me into his work...

I just read an Amazon review from another person who was a big Blue Note fan beforehand, and they pretty much agreed with you, almost went as far as to say Madlib had butchered the originals.

[Hack]

I wouldn't go that far, though. Madlib can't really do much wrong, as far as I'm concerned.

Anybody here a fan of The Herbaliser?I know nothing about them/him/whatever the fuck they/he is, but I was looking around on iTunes and found them/him. It sounds fucking excellent. I'm in the middle of doing some research, but I wouldn't mind hearing somebody's opinion on the matter.

[Stringer Bell]

Funny that you mentioned them, ad for the album on the back of this Hip-Hop Connection (UK) mag I've got in front of me. The Herbaliser - Take London. I'm sure Simon or someone would know more about them..

They've got Jean Grae on the album, so that's interesting enough for me..

[Hack]

Well this album Something Wicked This Way Comes that I'm listening to samples of sounds, like I said before, excellent. This has to be the next album I pick up. The instrumentals sound great, the raps sound sharp and there's a track with Doom. What else could a man want?

[Suno]

Funny that you mentioned them, ad for the album on the back of this Hip-Hop Connection (UK) mag I've got in front of me. The Herbaliser - Take London. I'm sure Simon or someone would know more about them..

They've got Jean Grae on the album, so that's interesting enough for me..


The uk have some immense acts to offer, i rarely listen to any recent shit from the states, the uk talent bring plenty enough vibes for me.

[Stringer Bell]

Rhymefest's album is fun as hell. Certainly not a classic, but it's a hell of a lot more refreshing than that Mobb Deep album. With this and Lupe Fiasco's LP, that's two big debuts that have delivered in the fullest. Can't wait to see what Saigon comes with, I think he could very well have the best album of all three..

But yeah, Rhymefest's album is good stuff people.

http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0T8N81R883UWD2KR4FIPNF2ELT

Suno.. care to upload some of your favorite stuff, or maybe find me some links? I'm more than willing to check it out.

[QuietStorm]

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[Deka]

:lol: That's hilarious QuietStorm. I'd rep you if I could, but this stupid 24 hour thing...

Anyway,

Who are your top ten favorite old school rappers? And I mean OLD SCHOOL, like late 80's-early 90's.

My list is as follows:

1. Big Daddy Kane

2. Eazy E.

3. Whodini

4. Grand Master Flash and The Furious Five

5. Rob Base

6. Public Enemy

7. De La Soul

8. Craig G.

9. MC Lyte

10. LL Cool J

[Stringer Bell]

Errr.. your list is missing some of the GOATs.. but each to their own.

Rakim
KRS-One
RUN fuckin DMC
The entire Juice Crew -- Kane, Biz, Kool G Rap, Masta Ace, Marley Marl, Shan, and Craig G... classsssic
Kool Mo Dee
Doug E Fresh
De La Soul
A Tribe Called Quest
Public Enemy
Bambaataa for contributions alone
Old school LL
Gangstarr

Others: EPMD, Jungle Brothers, Pharcyde, Nice & Smooth, Smif N Wesson, Black Moon, Digable Planets, Main Source, Pete Rock & CL of course... so many more... I could update this constantly.

Nice picks from you though.. good to see you know your history :yes:

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I don't know much about oldschool rap, would definitely say Krs One though.

[Fro]

I've been listening to a little of this new Mobb Deep album and my first reaction is: what's up with these recycled beats? 'It's Alright' is the same as the 'Tick Tock' beat from Alchemist's 1st Infantry album and 'The Infamous' is the same as 'New York' by AZ only with a different drum line. Wack.


PS - My song of the day: 'I'm a Playa' by Tech N9ne. I love blasting that song.

[Hack]

A buddy of mine just hooked me up with the new Gnarls Barkley album. All of it. I sort of wish Cee-Lo would rap more, but he's doing his thing and it's still pretty fresh. From what I've listened to so far (the first few songs twice, the rest of the album once), it sounds like Danger Mouse really stepped up. The production seems a little crazier than The Mouse and the Mask. It makes me want to go get that DM & Jemini album, I never actually bought that one.

Anyway, it sounds pretty good. My early opinion is that it won't change the world, but it's a solid effort. And now that this is out, all we have to focus on is all the MF Doom projects that we keep hearing about. Doom and Count Bass D? Doom and Ghost? New Madvillain? Bring 'em on! And how about a Doom and Mr. Fantastik album while we're at it, eh?

[Deka]

I don't know much about oldschool rap, would definitely say Krs One though.

Well, you should definetely consider listening to some. Half of these rappers get their beats and alot of their lyrics from old school rap. Just listening to one song, you'll, most likely, immediately notice that "you've heard that verse before" on some newer song.

I personally sway more toward the older stuff than the newer stuff. Rap was so much different back then. They actually rapped about more than sex, drugs, women, and money. They rapped about real-life situations and not just the ones you'd face in the "ghetto". They'd rap about things anyone could connect with. Rap was also ALOT more lyrically based back then. If you couldn't rhyme, you weren't respected in the rap game. Period.

Nowadays, those that have pure lyrical skills are looked over and the way to get credit in the game is to have sold drugs and/or killed a few dozen people before you ventured into rap music.

I love old school rap, man. You probably will too if you actually decide to look into it.

I'd like to give you some recommendations of some songs to listen to, to start you out. If you don't mind.

These are all songs that I really enjoyed and you'll find me banging through my speakers driving down the road in my car, while some dipshit passes by me blasting another one of 50 Cent's bubble gum mainstream hits.

Here's my suggestions (and maybe other old school fans have other songs they like and can suggest to you too):

* Big Daddy Kane - "Set It Off"
This is a real uptempo track on which Kane spits some real nice verses. I remember watching VH1's Hip Hop Honors and Common did a cover of this song, live on stage in honor of Big Daddy Kane. He sounded just like Kane does on the actual track, it was amazing. So, when you hear this one, you might immediately think Common. :dunno:

* Eazy E - "Boyz N The Hood (Remix)"
Amazing track this is. One of my favorite Eazy E. songs all around. You'll recognize the instrumental immediately if you've heard Jim Jones', "Certified Gangstaz" featuring The Game and Cam'ron. They sampled the beat to this track for that song. In the song, Eazy E. takes you on this convulted trip with him as he goes about his day in the "hood". Each verse spells out a different tale of something he did or delt with throughout that day, then going into the final verse he ends the song talking about some drama that went down in a court room during the trial of a few of his friends. Really stellar track, you should enjoy it.

* MC Hammer - "Have You Seen Her?"
I know you guys are going to knock me for putting this one on here, but whatever. I really like this song. It's actually one of my favorites from MC Hammer. He takes The Chi-Lites, "Have You Seen Her?" and puts a rap twist on it. Really good stuff if you ask me. Like I said, this is one of my favorite tracks from MC Hammer, maybe second in line on my list.

* Eazy E - "Eazy Duz It"
Another awesome Eazy E. track. Starts off with some little girl singing and Eazy E. abruptly stopping her with some harsh language and then it goes into the track. This one is alot like "Boyz N The Hood", as Eazy E. takes you on a journey lyrically through these situations he gets into, causing you to visualize them in your head as he rhymes. This trend starts on the second verse. The first verse is just more of an introduction, telling you what he's about. This was definetely the pinnacle of gangsta rap back in the 80's.

* NWA - "Straight Outta Compton"
I shouldn't even have to explain why you should listen to this song. It was the first of mainstream rap music to make the radio airwaves and television that had that "gangsta" feel to it. Also was the first time the word "nigga" was heard in rap music in such a heavy manner. It definetely made an impact when it hit the streets. This was a song everyone was talking about. If you haven't heard it you really should. This is the shit guys like 50 Cent and even Tupac molded themselves from. This song epitomizes O.G. rap.

* Big Daddy Kane - "Warm It Up, Kane!"
What a song. I'm a huge fan of Big Daddy Kane's work, so I could be biased, but, boy do I love this song. It was re-worked by Kriss Kross, so you may have heard their version. But, as they say, nothing is like the original. I was, like 1 year old when this song came out, but in recent years, I've seen the video for this song and, man, I've gotta say, nobody could do it like Kane. I might hurt some feelings here, maybe not, but before MC Hammer...there was Big Daddy Kane. And Kane actually had much better lyrical content than Hammer. Kane incorporated live dancing, with plenty of acrobatics to "wow" the crowd, as he performed his songs, as well as in his music videos, long before MC Hammer slapped on the genie jocks.

* Big Daddy Kane - "Smooth Operator"
I know. You're saying, "damn this guy is in love with Big Daddy Kane". And you're pretty much right. But, this is another great song. You won't regret checking it out. Kane samples The Mary Jane Girls song "All Night Long" for this track, with a few other samples thrown in there for good measure. Really nice track here. This was one Kane's bigger hits back in the day.

* Big Daddy Kane - "I Get The Job Done"
Last Big Daddy Kane song...I promise. But, trust me when I say you won't be disappointed when you listen to any and all of the one's I've suggested, including this one. Very good track. Another one of those Big Daddy Kane "performance" tracks. Another nominal hit for him back in the day. One of his bigger songs to hit mainstream.

* Rock Master Scott and The Dynamic Three - "The Roof Is On Fire"
This is one of the most memorable old school party jams in all of history. "The Roof Is On Fire!" is heard at so many parties even today that it probably will never die. Great track with a phenomenal old school beat and some really fun lyrics to match. If you have never heard this song, download it right now!

* Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five - "White Lines"
One of The Furious Five's biggest hits in the 80's. It's a song that talks about...well...cocaine. It almost seems like a good verus evil deal going on, as the song floats from telling you to snort up to giving the rundown of how horrible it is to do so and to steer clear of it. Really interesting song to say the least. Nice little beat that has an almost 70's heroine music feel to it.

* Afrika Bambaataa - "Planet Rock"
Awesome track. A favorite of mine. Afrika Bambaataa was a man that tended to lean over into the "Mother Land" trend that was popular in that day very heavily. He created the Universal Zulu Nation, which accompanied him in his many songs. His music was much different than alot of the rest of the 80's rap sound back then. His beats were very "electronic" and strongly motivated the breakdance movement. This track here is one of his best, in my opinion. Really good stuff. It's a staple of 80's breakdance music, I think.

* LL Cool J - "I'm Bad"
Classic LL here. Cool J used to be the shit. Really he was. And when you listen to this track alone, you'll realize why that was. The boy could spit and he was spitting nothing but fire back in his early years. This song was one of his earliest efforts in mainstream and it hit big for good reason. It shows the arrogance and unpersuadable confidence he incompassed back in his early days in the game. But hey, he had every right to be.

* LL Cool J - "Mama Said Knock You Out"
I know you know this song. If you don't, something is wrong. Very wrong. This is simply a classic. Heard everywhere in the media. "Don't call it a comeback!" sets this track off and it's intense lyrics galore from there on in. If you've heard this, but never put it in your collection, do so right now. If you've never heard it, you really, really need to listen to this song.

* LL Cool J - "I Need Love"
This was the first time a big-time rapper went soft on a track meant for mainstream radio and television. LL took a big risk here, but it paid off for him heavily. He garnered ALOT of female fans from this and, surprisingly, to him and everyone else gained even more respect from his male fans. It's just a really honest track, with LL talking about needing true love in his life. Something that most rappers of the day would have done anything and everything to avoid doing.

* MC Hammer - "Let's Get It Started"
This is my favorite MC Hammer song. Definetely a party track, but it's his best work from the early 90's in my opinion. Just one hell of a track. He does a little sampling of Queen's, "Another One Bites The Dust" here. But just a little...though it's repeated over and over at certain times during the song. This song tore the clubs up back in the day. Still has some kick to it today even.

* Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh - "Lodi Dodi"
Slick Rick raps the entire song over Doug E. Fresh's "beat-boxing" and nothing more. Yet, this was one of the biggest rap hits of the 80's. Slick Rick's opening line has later been reused over and over, most notably by Shine. This is a classic track. I rarely listen to it myself, but Slick Rick does some great rapping here and well, the song is just a classic.

* Salt-N-Pepa - "Push It"
I'm sure you know this one already. Just putting it in here for good measure. Salt-N-Pepa have a number of memorable songs. But, this was their biggest hit and, to me, their best song. It's my favorite of theirs anyway. I love this song. It's been used recently in a Geico commercial (I think it was Geico...could have been some other product). But anyway, great song. But, you probably already know that.

* Slick Rick - "Children's Story"
Another hip hop classic. If you don't have it, get it right now.

* A Tribe Called Quest - "Check The Rhime"
Tribe Called Quest put out alot of great music back in the day, this is just my favorite song of theirs. You should definetely delve more into their work, but if you don't feel like it, I atleast highly recommend downloading this song. Great old school track.

* The Juice Crew - "Ghetto Symphony"
Good God. This is one hell of a track. One of the greatest group-performed songs in all of hip hop history. Each member of the Juice Crew murders their verses. I personally love Craig G.'s part best, but that's me. The video for this is hilarious. It's set in an old western bar room scene (well, expect Big Daddy Kane's part). They all wear cowboy outfits and I think all of them are carrying western-style hand guns. Good stuff, but the song itself is great. Get this, now.

* De La Soul - "Me, Myself, and I"

* Big Daddy Kane - "Ain't No Half Steppin"
I know. I know. I said no more Big Daddy Kane. But, I had to put this one on the list. This is my favorite Big Daddy Kane song. Kane's verses on here are great. Kinda comical at times, but great. The beat is so simplistic, yet slick and smooth enough to get your head bobbing. The hook is kinda aggrovating, but the rest of the song makes up for it.

* EPMD - "You Gots To Chill"

* Eric B. and Rakim - "I Ain't No Joke"

* Eric B. and Rakim - "Paid In Full"

* Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five - "The Message"
Classic. Reworked by Puff Daddy and Mase later on down the line, even reworked by Ice Cube, but the original cannot be matched. This is just a very REAL song talking about the pain, struggle, and basic effects of living in the ghetto. Rappers nowadays could only wish to come this close to reality with their music.

* Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five - "It's Nasty"
Old school party track. They sample The Tom Tom Club's, "Genius of Love" for this one. To perfection, if I might add. It's a song about sex and well, women in general. But yet, they manage to refrain from using any vulgar language or degrading words. Amazing.

* LL Cool J - "Going Back To Cali"

* LL Cool J - "Jingling Baby"

* MC Lyte - "Cha, Cha, Cha"

* Biz Markie - "Just A Friend"

* Run DMC - "Peter Piper"

* Run DMC - "Sucker MC's"
My favorite Run DMC song. I love this song. It has an awesome beat and some nice lyrics. Very catchy lyrics at that.

* Kurtis Blow - "One Two Five (Main Street, Harlem, USA)"

* Cybotron - "Clear"
Not really a "rap song". More of a hip hop dance track. It's just an instrumental, but it's an instrumental that has been reused in later songs. Most notably Missy Elliott's, "Loose Control" featuring Ciara and Fat Man Scoop. The only words are this robotic sounding voice saying, "Clear...odd displays" over and over at different points in the song and it says a few other things that I can't make out. So, whatever. Nice beat though.

* Eazy E. - "We Want Eazy"

* Ice T - "6 'N The Morning"

* Ice T - "Colors"

* Kurtis Blow - "The Breaks"

* Kurtis Blow - "Basketball"
The original song that Lil' Bow Wow and Jermaine Dupri reworked for one of Bow Wow's singles years ago. This one is much better, in my opinion. Better lyrical content, better flow, cooler sound effects in the backround. Everything about it is just better. Oh..and it's the original, so..

* LL Cool J - "Rock The Bells"
Try to find the original, extended version if you can. It's much better than the radio version. Either version is good, but I think the original is much better. It has alot more lyrical content and LL just sounds much more together on that version.

* Public Enemy - "Rebel Without A Pause"
My favorite Public Enemy song.

* Public Enemy - "Don't Believe The Hype"

* Run DMC - "Rock Box"

* Whodini - "One Love"

* Whodini - "Freaks Come Out At Night"
I'm sure you've heard this song before. I'm almost completely certain. "The Freaks Come Out At Night" is one I think even most non-rap fans have heard before. Even if you don't know of the actually verses to the song, you've probably heard the hook before. This is Whodini's biggest hit, but they've had much better songs. Not that this one is bad. It's excellent, but that's just saying alot about their other work.

* Afrika Bambaataa and The Jazzy Five - "Jazzy Sensation (Bronx Version)"

* Afrika Bambaataa - "Looking For The Perfect Beat"
Jermaine Dupri sampled and kind of reworked the beat of this song for LL Cool J's new single, "Lose Control" featuring Jennifer Lopez. I hate that song, so I'm going to be biased and tell you that this song is much better. But, either way, you should definetely download this one. It kind of goes everywhere, never staying in one spot. Very wild track, but it's good.

* Fat Boys - "Jailhouse Rap"

* Kurtis Blow - "If I Ruled The World"
The original song that was later reworked by Nas and Lauryn Hill. The lyrics in the hook are almost completely different (almost), but the melody is exactly the same. This is my favorite Kurtis Blow song.

* LL Cool J - "I Can't Live Without My Radio"

* Rob Base and & DJ EZ Rock - "It Takes Two"
Huge hit. Arguably a hip hop classic. I love this song. It still makes me want to get up and dance today. This was a huge hit in the 80's. You will probably recognize it right away when you first hear it. Rob really tears this track up. The guy could spit and he delivers big time on this one. His skills went overlooked, I think, because the song was just such a huge dance track, most people didn't care what was being said or how it was being said. They just wanted to dance.

* Public Enemy - "Fight The Power"
The theme song for Spike Lee's, "Do The Right Thing". This is also another hip hop classic, arguably. You probably already know of this song and have heard it many times.

* Public Enemy - "911 Is A Joke"

* Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock - "Joy And Pain"
Another great track from these guys. Rob Base tears it up again. Like I said, the guy has skills and it shows again here in this song.

* Whodini - "Five Minutes of Funk"

* Whodini - "Friends"
The group's second biggest hit to "Freaks Come Out At Night". You might recognize this one right away when you hear it, as well. It's a solid track with one hell of an instrumental backing it up. The subject is, well...friends. It basically hits all the bases of the type of friends you could and probably have accumulated in your life and how you've probably handled it. They graft some realistic situations through their rhymes here and it's just a really nice track. Good one to have in your collection.

* Whodini - "Haunted House Of Rock"
The hip hop version of Michael Jackson's, "Thriller". Not a very popular, well-known track, but it's awesome non-the-less. It's like a hip hop "Monster Mash". Great instrumental with some really "spooky" sounds meshed into the background. Get it now.

* Whodini - "Magic's Wand"


That's all I got for now. I'm know theres alot more. But, I'm done. Other old school fans can give you more suggestions. But, I'm sure I've given you enough for a decent old school CD, if you'd ever consider making one.

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, Lupe Fiasco is definitely going to be in the warm weather rotation. Rhymefest is all hype though, dunno about him.

As far as the veterans go, I think Buck covered the usual suspects pretty well for me. I would omit G Rap from any list I create, as some of you know I sorta don't really like him at all. But I still respect the dude's legendary status.

[Deka]

Not a fan of Kool G Rap either. Just something about his voice that sounds sloppy.

[Stringer Bell]

Nice post Deka, I honestly haven't read through the entire thing yet (a bit buzzed from drinking...) but the only thing I disagree with was this comment.. "Rap was also ALOT more lyrically based back then. If you couldn't rhyme, you weren't respected in the rap game. Period."

While there were lots of amazing lyricists (Rakim, G Rap, so on..), I don't think lyrics became a major focus until the 90's. Lots of old school rap has lyrics that are VERY simple, corny, and boring. It's ironic, because it seems rap is reverting back to that style...

I really think Nas single-handedly started the lyric-fueled hip-hop movement of the 90's that quickly ended (in the mainstream a least)... of course he was heavily influenced by Rakim and others.. but yeah..

Sorry if this post sucks fellas.