Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Is Grandmasters out yet?? I have some tracks my boy burned me, but couldn't find it at the local record shop.. I even asked DJ Phingaprint(Banner's DJ) who works there and he hadn't heard of it..

[Blade-job]

Is Grandmasters out yet?? I have some tracks my boy burned me, but couldn't find it at the local record shop.. I even asked DJ Phingaprint(Banner's DJ) who works there and he hadn't heard of it..

You're talking about the GZA/DJ Muggs album, right? It's been out for weeks now, and is excellent.

[QuietStorm]

'LOOKCLOSER':

I'm gonna' start this off by saying "Yo Momma"
Diamond Sharp tooth pirahnas,
Jundice eyeballs out of Ghana,
Snot bubbler to the juggular,
California Governor muscular,
Hip Hop is MY bitch, I'm still in love w/ her,
Bold faced lettering
HTR Veteran Vice President,
Weapons cache at the Desert Inn,
Ski Mask way,
Dusty mustache like astrays,
10 confirmed kills on a bad day,
Majestic Mic Master Major,
Airborne outta' Asia,
H5N1 on paper,
You in solitary confinement,
In a cage in a cold climate,
CHEERS!
Here's a Hot bowl of vomit,
BK co-sign it,
Teardrop take the muzzle off the Rotwielder,
Make a frisbee out ya' album,
Clown'em, M4 Pound'em, lay'em out mop around'em,
The wolves is howlin',
The bulls got you off balance,
Air Marshall el Torro,
In the front row w/ cornrolls,
I explode when the door close,
Talkin' in code like 4 crows on a forked road,
You walkin' too slow,
You should've drove,
2hrs there,
2hrs back,
Crabwalk position, Front loaded rucksac,
The terrain's viscious,
They complain like a bunch of bitches,
I take pictures of your blisters and soak'em in liquids,
I wish a nigga would touch the throne,
I'll rub his face down to the bone w/ a pumice stone,
Hot day in LV,
Black Cobra Shelby,
"You the illest alive!"
That's what they tell me,
"C" is for the cataclysm,
"A" is for the apparition of my rapper vision,
"B-U-S" is for the bullshit you spittin'
Snatch your dogtags,
You ain't donatin' nuthin' zip up your body bag,
I start flowin' at the moment of truth,
Right after that it'll start snowin' in the booth,
I cremate niggaz like you w/ ghost flames,
You smile cause you never felt a soldiers pain,
Sacrifice your favorite lyricist,
In a pile of Michilins, sizzlin' from his chin to his Timberlands,
From Hell's Creek To Hell's Peak,
The Beast speak w/ unique speech, Jet Li unleashed,
Bout to blaze one on the set,
I'll blaze two next, blaze 3, blaze 4, blaze 5, blaze 6,
RTJ.NET takin' all requests,
Germanicus Gilette cut ya' neck everytime you take a breath,
GlaxoSmithKline designed rhymes from Pepperdine,
Supreme Sublime, not much time, never mind,



New Canibus text verse. The last text verse he did was "Da Facelift", so this one might eventually find its way to the airwaves as well.

[QuietStorm]

http://www.qn5.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7713


Great post about A Piece of Strange on the Qn5 forum.

[Kris P. Lettus]

You're talking about the GZA/DJ Muggs album, right? It's been out for weeks now, and is excellent.

Do you have to order it online or some shit?? As I said I have a few track but would like the whole thing..

[Fro]

I found it at multiple places around my area.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Can't find it..

:(

Question: which Slum Village album is "1,2" on?? Also, can anyone dl me Obie Trice's new track?? The name escapes me ATM, but I know its got a rock sample as the hook..

p.s. Did Pharell and Chad rip N2Deep for Rump Shaker or the other way around??

[Morrison]

Question: which Slum Village album is "1,2" on?? Also, can anyone dl me Obie Trice's new track?? The name escapes me ATM, but I know its got a rock sample as the hook..


Their new self-titled album.

[Stringer Bell]

You talkin about Obie "Since They Wanna Know"? I got that, it's been out a good three-four months. I can send it to you on AIM if you get on.

Morrison already handled it, but it's that self-titled Slum Village album. It's a really good album. "05" is one of my favorite songs this year.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Is the sample on Obie's track The White Stripes??

[Stringer Bell]

No idea. It's definitely a rock sample though.

Just saw like 20 copies of Grandmasters at BestBuy bro. Just look harder :p

[Kris P. Lettus]

Found it..

:yes:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Grandmasters is the greatest Hip Hop album of the year nexy to Danger/Doom..

[Fro]

Grandmasters is the greatest Hip Hop album of the year nexy to Danger/Doom..
Couldn't agree more.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I feel bad now for not having it in my top 5 of the year.. TBH, I didn't hear it untill 2006..

:o

[Matthew]

I just started getting into Atmosphere. Got God Loves Ugly. Holy shit, I love it so much.


MMMMM tasty

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Atmosphere's pretty dope. Some write them off as emo-rap, which can be pretty accurate at times, but they're still great. I like pretty much everything they've done other than Se7en's Travels. The new album was one of my favorites of '05...

As good as Grandmaster is, I'm not sure if it makes my top 5 or not. Muggs beats could've been so much better.. not to complain, but I was expecting a complete masterpiece. I'd give it 4 stars, maybe 4 1/2.

[QuietStorm]

I prefer Lucy Ford to God Loves Ugly.

[Fro]

My top 5 of 2005:

1) Danger Doom
2) Grandmasters
3) Late Registration
4) Be
5) A.W.O.L.

Runner up: The Documentary

[QuietStorm]

1) Hell's Winter
2) Live From Rome
3) A Healthy Distrust
4) Whatever the fuck Buck 65's album was called
5) Hip Hop For Sale + MiClub Vol. 1

[QuoteTmoneyNeverMore]

Does anyone in here think any of Dipset is good?....i hope not

[Fro]

Dipset sucks ballz. This Ghostface and Trife album is dope as hell. Everyone should listen to the song U Know by Xzibit right now. Paz.

[Adamy]

Dipset is fantastic, but I can see why a lot of people don't appreciate them.

Speaking of, the Cam diss track on Jay-Z is hilarious. "You look like Joe Camel without the sunglasses" :rofl:

[Dan The Man]

"How's the King of New York rockin sandals with jeans, and he 42 years old?"

I think the age stuff is pretty funny, and it's always interesting to hear somebody go after someone's girl, but the actual track itself isn't that great.

He'd do more for himself to get "Gone" released as a single (if it hasn't been... I dunno, I don't have a radio).

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

What's the track called?

p.s. what's this NaStradoomus volume1/2 stuff? Obviously some kind of remixing of NaStradamus by Doom before anyone says it... is it any cop?

[Stringer Bell]

I dunno about that Cam track. The beat is alright, but the chorus gets annoying the first time you hear it, and Cam's lyrics aren't particularly special. The line about Jay's age didn't make much sense because he says something like he's 37, then a few sentences later says he's 42.. :wtf: Anyway, the track's called "You Got To Love It"..

Speaking of disses, AZ fired back at 50 for his ignorant line on the GRODT OST ("What if I put out bullshit joints like AZ?"). It's not too fierce or anything, but it's pretty nice lyrically and shows that 50 stands no chance against The Visualiza. Get that @ http://www.words2yourmother.com/ which is an all-around dope hiphop site.. check out www.sumish.com too.

[Killah Ray]

I haven't really looked for anything new from AZ since he dropped AWOL shit was too dissapointing.

Anyway, as far as the Cam disses go, the best one is "Swagger Jacker" it's the same song as "I'ma Biter", but with Cam commentating on it.

Anyway, talking about whether Dipset is good or not, they're ok in small doses the star of the team that doesn't get any shine in my opinion is JR Writer. Too bad he gets overshadowed by Cam, Juelz, and that dirty looking Jim Jones.

[Adamy]

"How's the King of New York rockin sandals with jeans, and he 42 years old?"

The best part is that five seconds previous, he said Jay-Z was 37.

[Adamy]

Oh, I knew about Handsome Boy Modeling School, I have the first one.. "So.. Hows Your Girl?" or whatever. Good shit. Just didn't know what Get A Life was.

Appreciate the genius of Chris Elliott. The Guy never got a fair shake on SNL.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Cam seems to be confused about just exactly how old Jay is.

As for AWOL, I thought it was a dope album. I thought Final Call had its share of bangers (though most didn't like it), but AWOL was much better. Songs like "Never Change" and "The Come Up" are great. Definitely one of my top 15 of 2005.

[Dan The Man]

I wish I knew what show I gave my email out at, but for about a year now, I've been getting the occasional email from seemingly any NY undie rapper with a beef and/or mixtape coming out. Usually they're people I've never heard of, and then when I listen to the stuff I realize why. But after Papoose killed on that track with Kweli, I finally got a name I recognize. Except, of course, this is someone going after him, not Papoose himself. Not that I knew who the fuck Papoose was either.

BUT ANYWAY.

Since we were just talking Cam/Jay, and really we haven't talked fuck else for months, I figure this is at least something. So here be the email, for all ya'll sucka MCs what what.


CrackAudio.com: What was the reason behind "Don't Want You" that was just released?

Mense: Basically a mixtape dropd called papoose vs mense that slay and papoose got real heated about. Slay then started sending out emails and goin around tryna blackball the tape and me. So after that i felt it was time to take a stand cause even before the tape droped nyc been dying from what slay and papoose are doing. They been havnin the no. 1 unsigned artist slot for 2years wit platinum features and prime slot time and madness that makes it impossible for these other rappers to come up and get deals they deserve. labels aint signing ny rappers cause the most famous one cant make a song that lasts for more than 1 week. rappers like stack bundles, flawless, murder mook, remo da rapstar and tons of others woulda been saved ny if they had the same unfair advantages as slay giving papoose. dude has been around forever and now that my album is done and we bout to start shoping theres no way ima let a 28yr old ringer who been around since 97 continue to make these A&R's believe u need million dolla features and prime slot time to b the hotest unsigned artist on the market.

And link (http://www.mensemusic.com/audio/Mense-Don%27t_Want_You.mp3) for the track. Nothing special I don't think, but just in case this magically becomes some sort of undie war, I want to make sure I kept you cats in the know. Ya heard me?

[Stringer Bell]

I don't find Papoose too impressive. He's good at putting words together, but seriously lacks subject matter and wit. One of the most overrated young NY rappers, I'd say. But he is LEAGUES better than someone like Stack Bundles, so I'm not too interested in what that guy has to say.

As for up-and-coming mixtape guys, I like Saigon. He's no lyrical genuis, but he's got an incredible flow and makes a lot of quality tracks.

[TapOut]

What the fuck is up with this Beef show on BET? This has to be the most ridiculous, calculated, commercial collaboration of so-called enemies I've ever seen. I'm not doubting the sincerity of some of the feuds, past or present, but above all, this shit between The Game and G-Unit is getting fucking ridiculous.

G-U NOT?? WTF? I'm so fuckin' confused right now.

Game seems like he's legit pissed at the G-Unit camp, but I have to wonder if this isn't some sort of marketing stunt on behalf of both.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, the Game/50 stuff isn't too interesting, but I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Game's new DVD aimed at the G-Unit camp. It's causing a lot of controversy, I'd at least like to see what all the fuss is about.

[TapOut]

Yeah, that's why I'm a bit confused about the whole situation. Game seemed legit, and it seemed rather interesting, so I'll definetely look at it, but I really, really wonder how much is real and how much isn't. I just don't fucking know...

[Mr. Boombastic]

I've looked that past few days and there is nothing about Nas signing with Def Jam. Although I'm a Nas guy, I'm a big fan of Jay-Z also. How awesome would it be to see a few collaborations with these two rappers now that the beef is over. Even if it is just one or two tracks, I would be immediately excited seeing the two greatest living rappers trading verses on a few singles.

[Simon]

Nas and Jay Z have made a track together before, if I remember right. I forget the name, but it was good.

[spanish announce table]

The most fucked up thing on the Beef specials was Erick Sermon paying a bunch of guys $5000 to run in Parrish's house and rob him. :eek:

I also liked how they said Canibus and KRS both beat LL and Nelly, but the industry shut them down.

Whats up with Ras Kass' "Revenge of the Spit"? Is this just a mixtape, or new album?

[Stringer Bell]

Nas and Jay Z have made a track together before, if I remember right. I forget the name, but it was good.

Nah. You might have heard a song with both of them blended together ("Analyze This" is a popular one), but they've never done a song together. Hopefully by the end of '06, we'll have both of them over a Premier beat :eek:

Anyone heard this Sergio Mendes Timeless yet? It's got Will I Am from the Black Eyed Peas featured prominently on it, but it's also got guys like Pharoahe Monch and Black Thought of the Roots. Musically, it's incredible. I've only heard a handful of tracks but I was impressed to say the least.

[QuietStorm]

Whats up with Ras Kass' "Revenge of the Spit"? Is this just a mixtape, or new album?
Last I heard, a mixtape.

[Stringer Bell]

No opinion on that Sergio Mendes QS? So far, I'm liking it more than Miri's album..

[Adamy]

Yeah, the Game/50 stuff isn't too interesting, but I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Game's new DVD aimed at the G-Unit camp. It's causing a lot of controversy, I'd at least like to see what all the fuss is about.

Game's DVD is completely absurd. He talks a lot of shit about 50, Yayo, and Lloyd Banks, but what I took from it was that Game has way too much time on his hands. There's some amazing unintentional comedy, too, like when Game tries to explain the word "montage," or when he explains why he signs autographs "The Game/Aftermath/Fuck 50 Cent" and how he came up with the "Fuck 50 Cent" part.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, The Game's pretty ignorant, so I didn't expect much else. The two bits you mentioned sound hilarious. I've gotta see this thing..

He's got a new diss out to G-Unit/Spider Loc.. supposedly the "last" one, but isn't that what he said last time? Anyway, it's over G-Unit's "I Know You Don't Love Me" beat.. I can post a link if anyone's interested. Nothing special, but I know some people love this beef shit.

[Stringer Bell]

Anyone been keeping up with the Nas on Def Jam news? Apparently, Jay's looking to Just Blaze and Kanye first, and then guys like PREMIER, Dre, and Timbaland. He also says he and Nas will be in the studio a lot together, and while he doesn't want to force anything, he's willing to bet they will end up doing a track together. I smell a classic..

Ghostface Fishscale.. March 2006.. check out this insane cover.

http://www.words2yourmother.com/images/fishscale.jpg

[QuietStorm]

No opinion on that Sergio Mendes QS? So far, I'm liking it more than Miri's album..
No opinion on what I haven't heard. I'll get around to it, thanks for the heads up.

[Stringer Bell]

Gotcha, just figured you would've heard it by now man.

[spanish announce table]

There's a tracklist for Fish Scale with 5 MF Doom beats, 3 Pete Rock beats, and no RZA beats. Guest spots include Raekwon, Cappadonna, Ne-Yo, Trife and Shawnna (I think). There's a sample for the track "Big Girl" going around too.

Cant wait for Killah Priest's "The Offering". Nas, Canibus, Ras Kass, GZA, Tragedy Khadafi and 4th Disciple are on it :eek: Priest's calling it his best album.

[Stringer Bell]

I only heard the "Charlie Brown" sample from Ghost. No RZA beats, huh? Either way, sounds dope.. Pete Rock :drool: Why Shawnna though?

And that Killah Priest album sounds awesome, so many good guests..

[Matthew]

Got Biggie Duets today, haven't listened to much, but already like numbers 2,3, and 4. Jay Z, Twista, Eminem, respectively, and I also (shockingly) like the Missy track and the beat on it.

Yea, this CD will be mighty tasty

[Stringer Bell]

Biggie's Duets had a lot of nice guest spots, but they absolutely wrecked some classic BIG verses. The stuff on "Hold Ya Head" and "1970 Something" sounds horrible over the new beats when compared to the originals. Puff should've known better than to go and taint classic verses by re-working them with new beats. Poor. It should've been all-new BIG verses, so people wouldn't be accustomed to them flowing a certain way. I loved some of the guest spots (Jay's most notably) and the beats (Just Blaze kills "Living In Pain"), but overall, all they did was wreck classic songs. Some of the stuff hardly flows at all..

But anyway, I'm not trying to trash your purchase. It's a decent album, but like someone said in this thread awhile back (SAT I believe), it suffers from the same problems as Born Again, even moreso this time around.

[Adamy]

Here's a question about the Biggie Duets: on "Nasty Girl," what's the second line?

It goes like: "On and on until the mornin'/Take 'em to the crib..." and then I think he says "commence to boning," which is hilarious, but doesn't sound like something Biggie would say.

[Suno]

I finally got my hands on Know One Can Do It Better by the DOC,been meaning to get it for time, this is better than any album mentioned on the last 10 pages, easily

[Stringer Bell]

I wouldn't go quite that far Suno.. it's possible, but I'm sure I mentioned Cuban Linx at least once :p

But the DOC LP is definitely a classic. It's a shame he never came back with something as great, but I love throwing that album in and reminiscing (too lazy to check the spelling). "The DOC And The Doctor" is the JAM!

[Stringer Bell]

Here's a question about the Biggie Duets: on "Nasty Girl," what's the second line?

It goes like: "On and on until the mornin'/Take 'em to the crib..." and then I think he says "commence to boning," which is hilarious, but doesn't sound like something Biggie would say.

"Don't take em to the crib unless they bonin"

[Matthew]

But anyway, I'm not trying to trash your purchase. It's a decent album, but like someone said in this thread awhile back (SAT I believe), it suffers from the same problems as Born Again, even moreso this time around.No worries, I don't buy stuff haha

[Stringer Bell]

:yes: You'll definitely notice the flaws I pointed out, especially if you're a big fan of Biggie's two true albums.

But, that's not to say there aren't good things about the album. The verses from Nas and Jay are fantastic, and the verse from The Game is one of the best things I've ever heard from him. And like I said, Just Blaze cooks up something serious on "Living In Pain". That's easily my favorite track on the album.. BIG, Pac, Nas, and Mary J on the hook, all over a Just Blaze banger. The tracks with Big Pun and Luda are good, too.

[Fro]

He's got a new diss out to G-Unit/Spider Loc.. supposedly the "last" one, but isn't that what he said last time? Anyway, it's over G-Unit's "I Know You Don't Love Me" beat.. I can post a link if anyone's interested. Nothing special, but I know some people love this beef shit.
Link it up.

[Stringer Bell]

http://www.sendmefile.com/00253612

Should still work.

[Mr. Boombastic]

Obviously the answer to this question is money, but why in the hell do classic songs by deceased artists constantly get redone by newer and more relevant artists who never even knew the artist of the song being redone. Mixes are nice occassionally, but when an entire album(usually 2Pac or Biggie) is redone by other artists just seems really like money grabbing? Of course, this is the reason for doing these "remixes" but how come so many fans cannot see the land from the fog and realize that this is more of a marketing tool than a real duet. Do they not care, or do they just want to see old and new artists come together, my guess is that they just dont care.

[Miotch]

Picked up "Felt 2: a tribute to Lisa Bonet" by Murs and Slug today. Ant from Atmosphere did all the beats, so it's basically Atmosphere with Murs. It's incredible. Of course, I've been on a huge Slug kick the last month or so, but the album is great. You should all check it out if you have the chance to do so.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, that and the average hip-hop fan probably creams himself over the thought of Biggie/Game and Biggie/Dipset songs. They couldn't care less if they actually recorded together, they just think it's cool to hear them together. It's really brilliant marketing, as cheap as it is. They did it worse with BIG's new one than any of the post-death Pac joints, though.


FELT 2 is definitely a lot of fun. Murs isn't the most amazing MC lyrically, but he's becoming one of my all-around favorites. It's nice to hear lyrics about stuff that just about anyone can relate to.. real life, everyday shit. Murs is the man.

[Adamy]

I met Murs once. He liked my haircut.

[Stringer Bell]

Anyone heard this advance of Rhymefest's album yet? He's Kanye's newest protege... dude is no joke. Much, much more talented than Kanye lyrically, and it looks like he's going to have some great producers backing his album (Kanye, Blaze, Cool & Dre, Jon Brion, etc)

The track "Dynomite" produced by Just Blaze is absolutely bonkers. Another Just Blaze banger. I'm really liking "Build Me Up" with ODB too, which samples that old "Build Me Up Buttercup" tune. Trust me, it's a lot better than it sounds.. ODB is the man.

[Fro]

Anyone seeing Wu-Tang on their upcoming tour? I'm goin Feb 8th in Worcester. Never seen them before but I'm a huge fan so I'm pumped as hell.

http://www.activeplay.de/pix/tomb/tour.jpg

[Morrison]

I'm seeing them on the 10th at the Electric Factory.

Didn't even realize that they were playing two dates. Would love to go to both.

[Stringer Bell]

I'm planning on 2/13 in DC, but unfortunately I can't say for sure at this point.

And then 2/27, GZA and DJ Muggs are coming to my town. Awesome.

[Stringer Bell]

On second though, I probably shouldn't have hyped up Rhymefest's lyrical ability so much. He's nice, but nothing too special... I was just flipping out over the "Dynomite" track. It's a solid avance copy though, it's only 10 songs and from what I understand only like 4 or 5 of them are on the retail. From the songs that are (you've probably heard "Brand New" with Kanye) and from what I've read about the album, it's going to be really nice. I forgot to mention it earlier but I think No ID did at least 3 beats.. hope to hear a retail copy soon.

[Adamy]

Anyone seeing Wu-Tang on their upcoming tour? I'm goin Feb 8th in Worcester. Never seen them before but I'm a huge fan so I'm pumped as hell.

http://www.activeplay.de/pix/tomb/tour.jpg

I was thinking about going to that show. Tix are like $40 though.

[Stringer Bell]

Now it's looking like I'm definitely going to the 2/13 show at the 9:30 Club. Awesome.

[Stringer Bell]

Let's spice this thread up a little bit.. or attempt to.

Three rappers you'd most like to hang out with? To party, just talk, whatever... Only rule is no groups. No Wu or NWA, as tempting as it would be..

Murs, Cage, and Ghostface for me.

Murs just seems like he'd be an awesome guy. From his DVD extras and what not, he seems like a really down to earth guy, who would be really chill to hang out with. Seems like the kind of rapper who would definitely give you the time of day if you approached him on the street instead of blowing you off. He's not necessarily my favorite rapper (make no mistakes, he's up there), but I just think it'd be a nice experience to chill with him. Smoke something, whatever..

Cage, he's become one of my favorite emcees thanks to QS. He's the kind of guy who you'd wanna try to pick apart and almost interview, just cause he's so complex and has a hell of a personality. I'd get his first hand take on all the drugs and bullshit he's been through in his life. Not much else to say -- just one of my favorite guys.

Ghostface - Most people around here know Ghost, along with Jay, is probably my favorite emcee. Meeting Ghost would be ridiculous. Even I can admit that some of his lyrics are OUT THERE, and I'd like to see what he has to say about some of them. Dude is just on another level sometimes, it'd be interesting to see how that translates into a first hand encounter. So much to talk about with Ghost - the Wu glory days, Wu's current status, state of hiphop, angeldust, the lack of RZA on his latest stuff, when the FUCK Cuban Linx 2 is coming out...

[TRO]

Sage Francis strikes me as someone who has an interesting perspective about the world, so I would enjoy talking to him. His politics kind of correspond to mine, although not quite, so I bet we could have a great big debate over the ennui. Also Prince Paul and MF Doom would be cool to meet.

[Fro]

Kweli cuz I feel like he's mad down to earth and you could have a good conversation with him.

Method Man cuz I gotta pick a member of the Wu that I could ask questions about the group and shit. And I'd wanna smoke mad weed with him and chill.

DJ Premier cuz I think he's the best producer of all time behind RZA yet I don't really know shit about him.

[Stringer Bell]

Frof, awesome last pick. Reps. I kind've wish I would've picked Preem. He's definitely my faviorite producer of all time. RZA is damn close, but Premier is just godly. I love that wikipedia site, you can look up most producers and get a full list of every beat they've ever done. I'm on a Primo binge currently.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Game's DVD is completely absurd. He talks a lot of shit about 50, Yayo, and Lloyd Banks, but what I took from it was that Game has way too much time on his hands. There's some amazing unintentional comedy, too, like when Game tries to explain the word "montage," or when he explains why he signs autographs "The Game/Aftermath/Fuck 50 Cent" and how he came up with the "Fuck 50 Cent" part.


As I said monthes ago, when he says something along the lines of "we got Young Buck, like the first nigga from the south that's lyrical, that uses lyrics" I wanted to set someones face on fire..

I finally bought some Lyrics Born solo shit.. AWESOME.. I f'n swear, that song "I changed my mind" was a Galactic song but he makes it out like it's an original..

:dunno"

[Stringer Bell]

When 50 says that? Yeah.. the thing is, Buck isn't even very lyrical. There's cats in the south that have BEEN recognized who get way more lyrical than Buck... but I don't need to tell you that.

[QuietStorm]

Vakill's new album Worst Fears Confirmed is available to order at sandboxautomatic now. It features Ras Kass and Royce. It's a good album, maybe just a couple steps behind The Darkest Cloud.

And yeah, his flow hasn't really improved at all. But hey, it's still better than MF Doom's plus he is more consistently creative than Doom.

[Kris P. Lettus]

When 50 says that? Yeah.. the thing is, Buck isn't even very lyrical. There's cats in the south that have BEEN recognized who get way more lyrical than Buck... but I don't need to tell you that.

Game

[relentless]

Rakim - to thank him for always re-inventing himself with the ever changing face of hip hop.

Krs-One - To find out and discuss what makes one of rap legends tick, and how he really feels about this main-stream cross-over into the genre we all love.

Sage Francis - Because I believe we could have some truly mind-blowing and complex conversations ranging from childhood years all the way up the spectrum to God.




Hip-hop is'nt just music, it's a life-style.

[TRO]

Lyrics Born really is awesome. Great, funky delivery. Like a week after I first heard his verse on Blackalicious's "Release", I found a used copy of the Latyryx album and I been hooked on his hooks ever since...

[Seanny One Ball]

Redman - He seems like he's a funnier guy than Meth and he's my type of smoker. Plus I love his music, but we'd be at a titty bar anyways.

Canibus - He's one of my favourite rappers and I always wanted to shake his hand after 2nd Round K.O

Snoop Dogg - Quite possibly the epitome of all things cool. I'd learn many things and probably come away with some free copies of his porn DVD.
Just glad he didn't do a Treach and get it out for a shake.

[Stringer Bell]

Nice picks relentless

Krisp.. why would Game still be praising Buck? Unless you mean he said it in the past..

As for Vakill, I was meaning to check out his album cause I'd heard a lot about it on another forum. I'll give it a listen...

[Deka]

I don't really care for Young Jeezy.

I only enjoyed "And Then What" for so long before it got old and annoying to me. I never liked "Soul Survivor". But, I am loving his two new singles, "Trap Star" and "My Hood".

Just thought I'd add that to the discussion.

Bye.

[Kris P. Lettus]

[QUOTE=BuckMarley]

Krisp.. why would Game still be praising Buck? Unless you mean he said it in the past..[//QUOTE]

He said it on his DVD and I don't care enough about him to keep up with wether he and G-Unit are beefing or not.. They are going to ruin MOP and Mobb Deep and those facts alone make me want to stab their faces with a sharpened turd..

What are yall talking about?? Who you want to meet??

[Stringer Bell]

Eh, Jeezy's trash in my book. I think even the southern fanatic Krispy will agree with that. I've heard people praise his punchlines/similies, but someone like Lloyd Banks has way better similies and still isn't even that nice! I just don't see what the appeal is... I mean, the single with Akon was catchy as hell, but dude has no lyrical skills.. "100 grand on my wrist, yeah life sucks.... fuck the club dawg, i'd rather count a million bucks!" Wow. I thought Cash Money was bad.

He was praising Buck on his new DVD? Or the Documentary one? I'm confused, but I don't think he'd be giving Buck props these days. G-Unit's definitely gonna fuck up Mobb Deep, at least what was left of them. I've got a bit of hope for MOP though... they seem too gully for even G-Unit to ruin.

And yeah, I started a little discussion about the 3 hip-hop artists you'd most like to meet and why... only rule is no groups.

[Kris P. Lettus]

It's prolly his old DVD..

Jeezy is studio made Dirty South shit.. Not the realness..

My three:

Method Man-he just seems to be awesome.. We'd blow trees and fart on people..

Devin the Dude-Pretty much the same reasons as Meth..

Scarface-G.O.A.T.

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

For some reason I like most of the stuff Game (et al) has/have put out against 50/G Unit, haven't heard/seen much of them shooting back except the "Gameover" t-shirts in the Outta Control (Remix) video.

I'll nick two of my choices from other people's lists, though I'm admittedly not as big a fan of hip-hop as some of the posters in here:

Scarface
Redman
Mike Skinner - if he counts, which he probably doesn't. So call that Skinner/Kano/Mitchell Bros.

[Stringer Bell]

Some of the disses were decent, way better than anything that came out of 50's camp. But the DVD is apparently ridiculous and only makes Game look worse. He should've kept it simple and stuck to the songs, which he was handling quite well...

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

Yeah sounds from what I've read like he's taken it a step too far, even if the DVD makes him look like a tool it might be worth downloading and watching.

[QuietStorm]

The gift of god, sick with the bars
my spit's like the world's biggest liquid bomb
welcome to the nation of Bislam dot com
stop storms from spinnin' with fists and arms
a beast on the mic, nowadays I chill
anywhere rap exists, they praise my skill
all by myself I buckled the whole asteroid belt
I laugh when they ask for my help
capture more souls than Hell's Gate border patrol
exported the flow, imported some hoes
better respect the verbos vet, Yermo's best
Germanicus left and came back with Merlot breath
the robomech turbo tech with a werewolf chest
servos turn both my wrists
mic masters with a recipe for the antimatter
you don't wanna fuck around with cloak or dagger

[QuietStorm]

Who I would hang out with....


Joey Beats - So I can finally get a hold of Indie Rock Blues

Adeem (of Glue) - Seems a bit of a mysterious dude behind the words

Immortal Technique - the prank call on the new mixtape is too funny, he acts like a dude who can have a laugh over anything

[Stringer Bell]

No Canibus, Cage, or someone from Anticon? I'm suprised :p

[QuietStorm]

No need to Stan my favorite rappers.

[Deka]

Now every since I can rememba I been poppin' my colla.

Poppin', poppin' my colla. Poppin', poppin' my colla.

Now every since I can rememba I been workin' these hos and they betta put some money in my hand...in my hand.

[Deka]

EDIT: Double post..

[Kris P. Lettus]

Juice got weed Juice got pills
Juice got the work on the corner cuttin deals
Juice know you haters out there snitchin ain't for real
So Juice got some gang niggaz down for the kill
Juice know the feds got surveillance on the field
We never had a job but we sittin on a mill
We ball out in the club wit our niggaz stayin trill
We never wrote a check just them big face bills
A playa drinkin Makers Markas, cranberry vodka
Wearin a mink coat thats furry as Chewbacca
I saw ya main girl and a playa had to stop her
Her body was Silkk but her face was The Shocker
The feds takin pictures of us ballin but I got 'em
A 7 footer hole for his body we gon drop 'em
We always on the grind we be watchin when they watchin
And when they turn they back its the clucka-clucka-rock 'em yeah!

*edit*Whoever attempted to type out those lyrics is a f'n idiot.. Already corrected like 5 ridiculas mistakes..

[QuietStorm]

I don't care what anyone says (SIMON!), Swollen Members has the most consistently banging production.

[Stringer Bell]

I gotta go with Jay Dee, Kno, Premier, Madlib, Just Blaze, and probably Kanye for my most consistent producers...

[Stringer Bell]

RJD2's up there too... but special emphasis on Jay Dee. I bought his new album today, Donuts. Let's just say I don't buy many albums at all.. the last album I bought before this was Black Moon's Enta Da Stage a week or so ago (from 1993, a true classic that I needed on hard copy). Well, this J Dilla album is all instrumental, and it's amazing. 31 tracks of dope hip-hop beats. The cover had a quote from Kanye saying something like "J Dilla is the king of drums. His drums can only be paralleled, they can never be topped"... Kanye usually says some shit that makes him look like a total fool, but I agree with him 100% there. I think I'm digging Dilla even more after this album, and I've been listening to his beats for forever...

[Simon]

I don't care what anyone says (SIMON!), Swollen Members has the most consistently banging production.I don't mind Swollen Members :dunno: they had a few nice tracks a few years back...that one with Moka Only (Bring It Home?), Fule Injected, Lady Venom...never liked the rest though.

[Fro]

So I saw Wu-Tang wednesday night. Probably the most enjoyable (I refrain from saying best) show I've ever been to. I won't get into specifics about the set, since I know some people on this board are seeing them shortly, but I'll say a few things. Firstly, I fuckin touched Method Man. He was by far the most energetic, often going into the crowd while still rapping. At one point he was standing on a banister and I was right at his feet, looking straight up at him. :D Other than Meth, I'd say RZA and GZA were the standouts. All together they must've smoked 20 blunts on stage during the set. Oh and for those going, let me know if there's this wack ass white rock group that opens. They were so bad and out of place that the whole crowd was booing and flipping them off. It was pretty funny actually.

[Morrison]

Seeing then tonight in Philly. Should be immense.

[Stringer Bell]

J DILLA AKA JAY DEE DIED TODAY :(:(:(:(:(:(

RIP TO A TRUE LEGEND

[Kris P. Lettus]

THEY ARE NOT COMING DOWN HERE!!1!

FUCK YOU FROFILES AND MORRISON FUCK YOU IN YOUR STUPID ASSES!!1!

[Dan The Man]

LOUD NOISES!

[Stringer Bell]

I can't even get excited about seeing Wu on Monday..

We lost Jay Dee folks :( And the best was yet to come..

[Morrison]

THEY ARE NOT COMING DOWN HERE!!1!

FUCK YOU FROFILES AND MORRISON FUCK YOU IN YOUR STUPID ASSES!!1!
I'm think they'll do a wider tour soon enough. Tonight, Meth asked the crowd how many people wanted a new Wu album, and when everybody went wild, he responded with 'then it's yours!!!'

Then they promptly played "It's Yourz," so maybe it was just a clever transition. But I'm fairly sure they'll be putting out a new album in the near future, which would be followed by a tour, one would hope.

The gig was amazing. That shitty rock/rap band Fro talked about did open, and were torn to pieces by the Philly crowd. An ungodly level of booing, and when they started throwing sweatshirts into the audience, the people caught them and hurled them back at the guys on stage. It was great, cause they sucked.

Then we wait two and a half hours and we finally get hint that Wu's coming out. Get a little introduction, then RZA comes running out onto the stage and splashes his water all over the front rows. Everybody crowds the stage and they drop "Bring Da Ruckus," and it just rocked from there on out. They did all their big 36 Chamber numbers, then spilled out into some Meth/Rae/GZA/Ghostface/Cappadonna solo shit intertwined with stuff from the rest of the Wu albums. They had the ODB tribute segment where they performed "Shimmy Shimmy Ya" and "Brooklyn Zoo," which was slamming.

Meth was on fire, jumping from the stage onto the front row barricade, then flipping into the audience and crowd surfing. He was loving it. GZA seemed out of it, though. Think something may have been wrong with his voice, as he wasn't as vocal as everybody else.

So we got Fishscale coming out shortly, and we're on the look-out for Cuban Linx II(RZA, Meth, and Rae himself hyped it as dropping this year, and posters and t-shirts for it were everywhere) and some possible new Wu shit.

[Stringer Bell]

I don't wanna read too much of that since I'm seeing them on Monday, but OB4CL2 shirts/posters? :drool: I better take a lot of extra cash.

But yeah.. the whole crew in DC on Monday, then GZA and Muggs are coming to my town on the 27th. Then, Ghost is coming in April to promote Fischscale. :eek:

RIP Jay Dilla, honestly can't believe more of you haven't responded to this at all. This man is a LEGEND. You listen to your Kanye Wests, Timbalands, and Neptunes, but Jay Dee was a pioneer of their sound. He will truly be missed.

www.stonesthrow.com

[Stringer Bell]

Bit disappointed after reading the newest issue of Scratch with RZA on the cover...

They break down Cuban Linx II, and apparently, Ghost hasn't laid down a single track yet, and GZA will be taking his place for the majority of the album. I LOVE GZA, but was he even on the original shit? I don't see why they're determined to make a sequel if it's not gonna be as close to the original as possible. Ghost needs to be on damn near all of that record, ugh. They're saying he'll come through with a brief appearance, which sounds like one or two songs to me. Wack.

[Adamy]

Sucks about Jay Dee. That JayLib album is fantastic.

[Matthew]

So who would be down for getting some of my new material when I get it up online?

My major influences are Jigga, Pac, Atmosphere, and Outkast (primarily Big Boi) really, but when it comes to writing, my influences are from all different genres. I have some Gangsta verses, some crunk verses, and some emotional bullshit verses. But, no doubt to be at least good, and sometimes funny. Mainly cause it's me and, yea, that's it.

[Fro]

Bit disappointed after reading the newest issue of Scratch with RZA on the cover...

They break down Cuban Linx II, and apparently, Ghost hasn't laid down a single track yet, and GZA will be taking his place for the majority of the album. I LOVE GZA, but was he even on the original shit? I don't see why they're determined to make a sequel if it's not gonna be as close to the original as possible. Ghost needs to be on damn near all of that record, ugh. They're saying he'll come through with a brief appearance, which sounds like one or two songs to me. Wack.
Yea that does sound wack. I hate to say it but Rae's really fallen off since Wu-Tang Forever. His verses nowadays are mediocre at best. Ghost needs to be a big presence on that album to make it work. Also, its not a true OB4CL sequel without Ghost on most of the tracks. Definitely skeptical about this project, but optimistic. Pleeeeease let RZA do most, if not all, of the production. Fishscale is gonna be dope as hell though. Funny how Ghost has become the best solo Wu member. Who woulda thunk that after the first round of solo albums? Ironman is way underrated though.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Daytona 500 is the shit..

[Matthew]

I know Krispy and Adamy would probably be the first two to hear anything from me. Especially Krispy.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I will get them from you on AIM whenever you get them up..

Do you have your own beats or is it more mixtape shit??

Remember when I had tracks on here back in the day??

[Matthew]

I have my own beats, actually recorded in a studio. The plan is right now to have 4 (or 5) done pretty soon, then come out with a split EP with one of my bros. The beats were made through GarageBand and FruityLoopz. Then edited with ProTools.

I have decided to do a cover of Sublime's Date Rape though with an extra verse, I should be doing that this week. I am not usually down for covers, but I feel i must.


I do remember your freestyles.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Fruityloops is awesome..

I've been wanting some turntables for years but now am putting them off to get an actual beatmachine..

[Matthew]

Yea, I am gonna get signed for real. If you ever hear of MPH you know I'll be hitting up NO....

[Adamy]

Yeah man, send me some jams on aim or whatever.

[Matthew]

Alright, now I just gotta go pick up the masters and what not and mix for awhile.

[Stringer Bell]

I'll check it out, didn't know you rapped.

J Dilla was as important for hip-hop as just about anyone. Hip-hop is going to be missing out on a lot of great stuff with his loss. But at least we've got all the material he did during his time. RIP Dilla, go buy Donuts if you're a true fan.

[Matthew]

Eh, I don't really, I love writing a lot, and hip hop is one of my favorite things in the last few years, so it meshes well.

But I do rap if I am drunk, thats just all gangsta rap though and talking about drugs

[Morrison]

Pleeeeease let RZA do most, if not all, of the production.
Meth said last night 'produced by the RZA,' so take it for what it's worth.

[QuietStorm]

Joey Beats on the Non-Prophets site....



"I don't know why I'm reluctant to admit this (maybe at the expense of seeming overdramatic about a dude I didn't know) but...

this shit has been on my mind all day. In fact, when I saw he was sick some months ago it affected me just as much. All day at work, I kept thinking about it; it consumed me.

Dilla's one shot work early in his career went unnoticed by me. I love the beat for Runnin' and most all he did for the Pharcyde. Although back then, I wasn't really checking for newer producers. I was still very much in Pete Rock/Large Pro mode; wondering when "The Lp" was going to drop.

I used to joke with friends (after I started producing) he was part of the reason why Tribe lost their sound. "Nah, wasn't tip." Then along came Slum Village....and....well, I didn't understand it. The late hand claps, bouncing basslines, etc.

I didn't hate the sound; I actually kinda liked it. Pretty soon, everyone followed suit. At that, I hated the trendiness of it and how a lot of angry, washed up cats jumped on to make his style a symbol of black isolationism in music. I felt it was unfair.

This mode of thought went on for years in regard to Jay Dee. My stance on him was very political. Whenever someone would ask about him, I would lie and say I wasn't familiar with much of his work. I just didn't want to admit to people my true feelings on him.

Maybe it was because I recognized deep down how reductive they were. By god were they.

I was allowing political, unrelated factors of the PRESENTATION and the EFFECT of his music to make my decision for me. It made me block my ears to one of the best hip hop producers to ever live.

Years went by and one of my best friend's, Quo, finally flipped the switch in regard to Jay Dee. "Yo man, you heard this Welcome To Detroit?" I shook my head and said, "Oh no, not you too." He laughed and told me to stop being so political, imploring me to listen.

Ignorant. Stanca. Thick headed, I still didn't heed his advice. Then Jay Lib dropped and I couldn't help but listen to a marriage of the beat conductor and Jay Dee. I enjoyed it. And embarassingly enough, I was still skeptical.

On tour, I told Mac Lethal my hidden (silly ass) thoughts on Jay Dee. He told me to shut up and simply handed me LabCabinCalifornia. The shit didn't leave my discmen for almost 2 weeks.

Still, I was like "ehhh, it was 95" every body was doing better stuff back then. After I got back home, Quo made a full on push to show me Dilla's brilliance. Beat cd after beat cd. 40 beats per CD -most up to a minute in a half long.

Within each of the discs, about half to a third of the songs sounded like little interludes...one track jack type stuff. I said to Quo, "Come on, man...what is this? He's playing records."

"No, Joe. Those are chops."
"Chops?"
"Yeah, this is Jay Dee's chop of this Jackson five song."

As I sit baffled...it finally hit me,

This cat is EON'S beyond all of the cats I looked up to. He was so far ahead with style, with sequencing, with ideas, with EVERYTHING...

I couldn't see it. I was thinking Mecca and The Soul Brother. I was thinking about all the political bullshit and false notions that circle around this indieground rap shit.

Then I went back and listened to EVERYTHING.


People, people, people...let me tell you...

even if you were a fan of Jay Dee already...I implore you to do the same to come to the most important point about him...

This man did what the fuck he wanted. Fame, fortune or -even- DEATH (creating his latest album, Donuts, in the hospital) were NOT going to tell this man any different.

He creates a style...EVERYONE and their momma jumps on it. Jay Dee could've easily cashed in on some Timberland shit. Can you say R&B money? What does he do?

Changes it up. Steps to the plate with something NEW....almost as if saying, "Yeah, catch up everyone...that's the old style."

Not only have we lost one of the greatest hip hop producers ever, we lost a rare breed of artist...seldom seen in the blowing up/ever compromising world of hip hop.

Sad, sad weekend.

R.I.P."

[Fro]

Hey so this is pretty random (and i'm really shitty right now) but i just bought NWA's niggaz4life at best buy for 10 bucks and its reallly dope. Dre and Yella come hard with these beats. Better than Straight Outta Compton? Could be.

[Stringer Bell]

QS, thanks for posting that.. looks like an interesting read.

:heart: J Dilla, Rest In Peace

[Stringer Bell]

Wow, what a read it was. So much of it is true too.

[Stringer Bell]

I love my local record store...

Idiots sell great CD's and I go and buy them for cheap...

Picked up OC Word...Life, Smut Peddlers Porn Again, Gang Starr Hard To Earn, and Black Moon War Zone for $20. Can't beat that.

Aaaand... WU-TANG tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!

[QuietStorm]

The most morbid track Cage ever recorded....



Cage - Ballad of Worms Lyrics [Woman singing x4]
I'm feeling down, touch me

What kind of God is this?
Gave me the hottest bitch
Then took the life from her chest and left a pile of shit
Sloppy with a fork, so Chris gotta feed her
Too numb to cum, sometimes she piss while I eat her
I tell her, keep her head up
Even though I gotta hold it up for her
and she seizure when she try and get up
I know I'm perking her
But can't stop what's hurting her
No sleep with her screaming all night, I'm thinking of murking
her
Her parents paid for the coffin and left state
After signing the contract, do not resuscitate
Yellin' for mommy
I dip in the morphine to calm me
I'm known in town as the creep that's into zombies

[Chorus: woman singing x2]
I can't get that sound you make out of my head
I can't even figure out what's making it

Stare in her eyes to look past horror
Morphine tolerated, I'm out coppin' horse tranq for her
Like I won't have to go through hell again
Her skin is like saran wrap, barely hangin' from her skeleton
With each one of her ribs defined
My crib's designed
To keep the light out cause she can't lift the blinds
Drifting behind, I'll be outta friends soon
Nobody visits the guy that keeps the body in his bedroom
She's barely alive and taking life from me
With no appetite but the meningitis is still hungry
Wants to make love
But I had to substitute it with holding hands while we take
drugs

[Chorus]

She's cold as a corpse
And still holding The Source
Up in the air like: 'One day the cover is yours'
Took the IV out her wrist
Tried to give me a kiss
Before I tasted her lips, she dislocated her hips
Started shaking
Couldn't feed her no medication
Too scared to beat on her chest in fear it'd cave in
Death waved again and each time leaves her
In a coma, for a week, to wake up to more seizures
But this time ain't like the rest
I can see right through her chest
And see her heart ain't got no fuckin beats left
Then a voluptuous ghost falls from a host
Looking like she did in High School then fades when I get close

[Chorus]

[Woman singing x4]
I'm feeling down, touch me

[Stringer Bell]

So Wu Tang in DC last night was, simply put, the greatest concert I've ever been to.

Just an incredible experience.. hard to put into words. The energy was insane, I was like three people back for the first half of their set. They brought out everyone one by one, starting with Trife and ending with Method Man. Nice way to do it. RZA came out and sprayed champagne all over the crowd. Ghost came out and lit the whole crowd up, so did Meth. The whole set was dope, I got to see just about every single song I wanted to. No complaints as far as song-selection.. hell no complaints at all. It was really the perfect concert.

One of the funniest moments was Ghost asking everyone to be quiet while he talked about something important. He started dissing commercial rap, encouraging everyone to support quality hip-hop. Then he had them play the "Laffy Taffy" beat and called it bullshit repeatedly, before switching to classics from Slick Rick and others. Probably had to be there, but it was funny as hell. The whole club booed the hell out of that Laffy Taffy garbage.

I was damn lucky in recieving merch. I was really tempted to get that "Classics" shirt, even though Rae's last two albums were NOT Classics haha, but I just couldn't drop $30 on one. Hoping they turn up on ebay. However, I got a lot of shit passed to me before the show. Ended up with a Ghostface promo thing, about the size of a record... then I ended up with a HUGE Ghostface Fishscale poster, which is really the main thing I wanted. Also was lucky enough to have two Ghostface samplers come my way, one of which I gave away. Couldn't have been more pleased with that.. they were throwing out other stuff like Solomon Child promos which would've been cool, but you guys know me... I couldn't have been happier with my Ghost stuff. All for free :)

Amazing show. Great club.. I love the DC atmosphere also.

[jesus sucks]

so anyway. hmv has Tha Carter II for £9.99. is it any good? fireman is a quality tune. is there any more good stuff on the album?

[Kris P. Lettus]

Yes, The Carter II is awesome..

p.s. FUCK YOU BUCK MARLEY, FUCK YOU IN YOUR STUPID ASS

[jesus sucks]

I finally got my hands on Know One Can Do It Better by the DOC,been meaning to get it for time, this is better than any album mentioned on the last 10 pages, easily

amazing album. the fact that i've only ever met one other person in real life who's actually got it makes it even better for me. everyone got NWA, and just skipped this but it's the same type of stuff except bit less entertaining but with better rapping.

[jesus sucks]

that's good enough for me. me and krispy have pretty much the same taste over the years and it's only a tenner so i'll pick it up.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Lil Wayne has become one of the greatest MC's alive..

[jesus sucks]

haha yeah he's immense. he's got the image to go with it aswell. i think he can be as big as someone like Jay-z with the right marketing and hit songs behind him, seriously. there isn't anyone else who looks or sounds like him really is there.

[QuietStorm]

I really like Yak Ballz.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Yak is nice... I think sometimes he comes off a little weak though. He's not WM these days, but Jakki's album was pretty good too.

Lil Wayne, one of the greatest MC's alive? Each to his own... but jeez. He's got a nice line here and there, but I'd personally put many, many mainstream MC's above him. Joe Budden gets no respect and he's WAY nicer than Wayne, in my opinion.

Wu pics.. shitty camera phone pics that is, but still...

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7395/013nu.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/3007/024tg.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1690/030zr.jpg

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/3609/041rm.jpg I think this was one of the better ones. Still bad quality, but a nice pic. Since you probably can't tell, left to right it's INS, Masta Killa (might be wrong - they changed outfits a bit), Ghost, Rae, and GZA with the camcorder.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7210/057gw.jpg


By the way, Frofiles... it wasn't some white rock group that opened my show, it was that Bazaar Royale rapper who fucks with DMX. He came out and told us to get ready for some "ghetto metal", which turned out to be shit lyrics over metal beats. I guess he doesn't realize Korn and about every other band from that time did it ten years ago. It was shit.

[jesus sucks]

i don't think there's much comparison between joe budden and lil wayne.

'wayne's got the charisma, good flow, and is destined right for the top. while buddens is just a shit backpacker/pop gimmick rapper. budden. well, let's just say his album was so poor i threw it in the bin rather than feel guilty by selling it on ebay. i'm still angry about wasting that money 3 years later. only bought it for one song and that got old after 2 or 3 listens.

[Stringer Bell]

I'm not talking about Joe Budden's debut album... but it still has more substance than anything Wayne's done, in my book. I don't understand the "backpacker/pop gimmick rapper" comment, but oh well.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Wayne won't be remembered in 15-20 years, and those who do remember him will be embarassed to admit so. Not saying Budden will, cause he's nothing amazing either, I was just saying he's better than Weezy.

Seriously js.. download Budden's "Dum Out". He's a much better emcee than you're giving him credit for.. to say Weezy is much better than him is pretty far off.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm not talking about Joe Budden's debut album... but it still has more substance than anything Wayne's done, in my book. I don't understand the "backpacker/pop gimmick rapper" comment, but oh well.

Don't start this shit again..

What he says may not pertain to a uppity kid from Virginia, but to let you in on a little known fact, not everyone who listens to Hip Hop is from the suburbs..

[Stringer Bell]

There you go making it personal :wtf: You really don't know how to just defend your taste.. do you? Gotta take some bullshit route, bashing me personally. Grow the fuck up.

Wayne talks about the same topics on almost every song, which also happen to be topics that almost every generic rapper in the game rap about. I'd say that means he has little substance :dunno: Has nothing to do with me being able to relate to his lyrics, as you'd like to make it seem.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I take it personally due to the fact that you tend to generalize ALL Dirty South rappers.. I know you like shit like Little Brother but that's not the type of shit I'm talking about.. ANY time someone says a rapper like Bun B or Eightball is good, you come and put your two cents, not only dissing the rapper, but also dissing the fans and the people who live the life of "no substance".. Statements like:


to say Weezy is much better than him is pretty far off.

Is bullshit, basically because music is subjective.. Your opinion isn't fact the same that mine or JS' isn't.. We state opinions and you come in gungho trying to shit on it.. EVERY F'N TIME.. And coming from you, who does tend to come off like a spoiled suburban rich kid, it pisses me off because you've never seen where the lyrics come from and you've also never said anything to make me believe otherwise.. So yeah, it's a bit personal..

[Morrison]

So Wu Tang in DC last night was, simply put, the greatest concert I've ever been to.

Just an incredible experience.. hard to put into words. The energy was insane, I was like three people back for the first half of their set. They brought out everyone one by one, starting with Trife and ending with Method Man. Nice way to do it. RZA came out and sprayed champagne all over the crowd. Ghost came out and lit the whole crowd up, so did Meth. The whole set was dope, I got to see just about every single song I wanted to. No complaints as far as song-selection.. hell no complaints at all. It was really the perfect concert.

One of the funniest moments was Ghost asking everyone to be quiet while he talked about something important. He started dissing commercial rap, encouraging everyone to support quality hip-hop. Then he had them play the "Laffy Taffy" beat and called it bullshit repeatedly, before switching to classics from Slick Rick and others. Probably had to be there, but it was funny as hell. The whole club booed the hell out of that Laffy Taffy garbage.

I was damn lucky in recieving merch. I was really tempted to get that "Classics" shirt, even though Rae's last two albums were NOT Classics haha, but I just couldn't drop $30 on one. Hoping they turn up on ebay. However, I got a lot of shit passed to me before the show. Ended up with a Ghostface promo thing, about the size of a record... then I ended up with a HUGE Ghostface Fishscale poster, which is really the main thing I wanted. Also was lucky enough to have two Ghostface samplers come my way, one of which I gave away. Couldn't have been more pleased with that.. they were throwing out other stuff like Solomon Child promos which would've been cool, but you guys know me... I couldn't have been happier with my Ghost stuff. All for free :)

Amazing show. Great club.. I love the DC atmosphere also.
I desperately wanted that Method Man shirt, but all they had was XL's, and I'm a fucking youth large guy.

Also, Ghost did the same thing the night I went. Actually blamed part of the crowd for helping making this shit famous.

[Deka]

Just saw Lil' Jon's senior high school yearbook photo.

Damn..

[Kris P. Lettus]

http://i.xanga.com/borntobewild44/34lil_john_-_YEEAAH!_small.jpg

[QuietStorm]

Joe Budden is kinda sweet though.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Joe Budden is kinda sweet though.

I haven't heard enough of him too know..

But even if I did know, I wouldn't try too name someone I think is better stating it as fact..

[QuietStorm]

It's how he rolls.


I think it's probably how I used to roll. Eh, he is young still.

[Stringer Bell]

I haven't heard enough of him too know..

But even if I did know, I wouldn't try too name someone I think is better stating it as fact..

My post says IN MY OPINION when I mention Budden. Just stop.

Morrison, that's exactly what he did in DC actually haha. He was like "ya'll motherfuckers support that shit!".. and then after playing Slick Rick, he was like "nah, cause once yall get home it's like..." and Laffy Taffy came on. It was great. You have a good time man?

[Morrison]

You better believe I did. The place was fucking packed, and I was towards the back, leaning up against some railing, as I was tired of standing and waiting for them for two hours. The concert starts, and it's going great, until this guy in front of my id throwing his arms around like a whacko, and keeps throwing his head back. This wouldn't have been a problem if we weren't right on each other, but he was constantly coming about an inch away from headbutting my fucking nose. I pushed him forward and told him to back off, but it didn't phase him. So for a good number of the songs, I was stuck behind this jackass. Finally caught an open spot and moved right before the ODB tribute, and it was great after that.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah man, a lot of kids were doing similar shit at my show. Almost on some moshpit shit or whatever, I dunno. I mean I understand it cause Wu brings that crazy, wild, at times violent vibe... but I was just tryin to chill and enjoy the show. Thats not to say I wasn't hyped and lively, but there's a difference between having a good time and just going wild, I'd say. Also, like your situation, it was really packed in the 930 Club.. I mean if you were close to the stage, you pretty much had people making contact with you in every direction. Anyway, fuck it, they didn't spoil my show too much.

Here's a funny ass video of the DC show, Ghostface clowning on D4L and shitty commercial rappers. Take note.. *cough*

http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=0ki1UitZ5yg&eurl=http://forum.chambermusik.com/viewtopic.php?t=9445&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&iurl=http://static13.youtube.com/get_still.php?video_id=0ki1UitZ5yg

[Fro]

By the way, Frofiles... it wasn't some white rock group that opened my show, it was that Bazaar Royale rapper who fucks with DMX. He came out and told us to get ready for some "ghetto metal", which turned out to be shit lyrics over metal beats. I guess he doesn't realize Korn and about every other band from that time did it ten years ago. It was shit.
Yea they played my show too, but after the white boys. You'd think Wu could get some better opening acts. And that's funny what you guys are saying about the crowd, cuz mine was the same. For the first 30 or 40 minutes of the set, the floor was nuts - everyone just pushing everyone else in a near mosh. You had to focus a lot on not getting knocked over or getting an elbow in the face, and it took away from the fuckin legends a few feet in front of us. It chilled out eventually. Nice pics from the show, btw.

P.S. - :lol: :lol: :lol: at Lil' Jon.

[Suno]

I haven't heard enough of him too know..

But even if I did know, I wouldn't try too name someone I think is better stating it as fact..

I thought buddens first album was pretty nice, lots of really good songs balanced out by some shitty fillers, aint heard shit scince then really. After hearing fire and pump it up i thought he was gonna be some mediocre one dimensional MC, but on his album had some fucking deep riddems, Calm Down was raw.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah man, Budden's album wasn't bad at all if you actually listened all the way through. "10 Minutes" was a great song too. He was definitely capable of a lot more though. I don't know how much of it was Def Jam and how much of it was him, but the album just had too much filler to be as good at it should've.

I've got high hopes for The Growth though. With his mixtape work over the last year or so, he's become one of my favorite mainstream mixtape guys. "Dum Out" is crazy, anyone who hasn't heard that should check it out. The whole Mood Music Part 2 mixtape is pretty decent, actually.


This new Dilated Peoples album is pretty nice. Still not as good as their debut, but it's nice to hear something new from them.. also nice to see they didn't go for more of that "This Way" sound. Some nice Alchemist beats (of course), Evidence drops lots of nice lines, and there's a guest spot from Kweli that's pretty damn amazing, among others.

[TapOut]

Whoever was asking about the Carter II... I liked it. I thought it was comparable to the first Carter... if you like the first one, odds are good you're going to like the second one. I may need to listen to it more, I only ran through it once a couple months ago after downloading it, but my immediate impression was that it was 'good'.

To be honest though, I always find myself going back to the first one regularly. I may end up doing the same with the second one if I get around to giving it another proper listen. I just love 'Walk In' and 'Walk OUt'.

[jesus sucks]

my carter II is arriving tomorrow probably. £8.99 with my student discount has to make it the cheapest i've ever payed for an import! usually looking at double that.

first cd i've bought since LR. I just listen to my older stuff these days, don't like new music really. got hundreds of albums with tons of great shit on them so just a waste of money getting more.

[Kris P. Lettus]

My boy L-D came across a Killa Cam mixtape that has the best diss track I've ever heard.. First they flip Jay Z saying "I'm not a biter, I'm a writer" and make it say "I'm a biter, not a writer".. They use that for the "hook" and the rest of the song is filled by clips from others' songs saying lines, then it goes to Jay Z saying the same lines on his tracks.. Does everyone from Biggie (for like 2 minutes) to Snoop to Pac to Rakim to Slick Rick.. Crazy.. I really don't mind someone using someone eles' lines because A) the biter might be able to say it better or B) they want to say the same thing and couldn't find a better, different way to say it.. It really is sad the sheer amount of evidence on wax there is though.. I know that if Jay comes back he'll retaliate but I dunno, it was tightest diss song ever and Cam didn't have to say shit..

I'm ripping it as we speak and can send it to whoever over AIM..

Chris P Lettus

p.s. L-D heard that Jay Z is planning an album and Dre is supposed to be producing it..

:drool:

[Fro]

I haven't heard that mix, but I remember a couple months ago that track came out with all Jay's bitten rhymes (without a hook or beat). I really liked this editorial from hiphopdx about it:

If you think Jay-Z is a biter, you are probably just uneducated in this game...or a hater. It's really as simple as that. Every rapper flips, borrows, or adopts rhymes from other rappers, it has been going on for a long time. Just look at the "Heard It All Before" section in XXL, they find 5 instances every month…many of those where Jay is the lender. When Jay does it, there is one distinct difference; he uses lines from songs that everyone knows. Pretty much everyone who listens to Jay, listened to Biggie, they listened to Pac, so it is pretty damn easy to identify Big's contribution to "I Just Wanna Love Ya."

But I'll bet you had no idea when Ghost flipped nearly an entire verse from an old Divine Force song called "Holy War." How many people knew? How many kids have even heard of Divine Force? Several emcees, from Method Man to Talib Kweli to Erick Sermon borrowed from Audio Two last year alone. But how many even know Audio Two's classic "Top Billin" and all the times it has been used in rappers rhymes? Run DMC have had more lines used than I could even begin to count, by just about every emcee alive. KRS-One has borrowed from Kurtis Blow, and Divine Force for that matter. The list goes on and on.

Yet all the haters continue to take shots at Jay because they happen to recognize his source, unbeknownst to how many other rappers do it every year just because they aren't schooled. Just look at the Slick Rick line from that audio clip. The song is called "The Ruler's Back," Slick Rick's nickname was The Ruler (which Jay even points out in the song). So naturally, Jay flips a Slick Rick line in the song. But this is biting? Not paying homage to the man? Is it really that hard to figure that out? Or maybe some cats just don't know Slick Rick was the original Ruler. Or maybe they just don't care cause it would mean they could hate Jay less.

There are about 40 bars in that audio clip that Jay-Z has been accused of biting. In his career I'll take an educated guess and say Jay has spit 12,000 bars, give or take. More importantly, most of those bars have been incredibly clever, witty and quotable. Does anyone ever claim Jay's best lines are those one's he has borrowed? No. So Jay has borrowed lines in about 0.4% of the bars he has spit. So did he decided to borrow those lines to pay homage or to put his own spin on a line he liked, or is it because he just wasn't talented enough to come up with a few more bars? He could handle those other 12,000, but that 40 was just more than he could handle. Get fucking serious.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/features/id.398

[Kris P. Lettus]

Yeah, I agree.. I just thinks it's hilarious..

p.s.I figured it wasn't Killa's originally.. He says at the beggining "I went down south and found something out" or some shit.. Like he found this DJ's mix and put it on his mixtape as a diss track..

[Deka]

Great article. So true.

I still want to hear this song, though.

[Stringer Bell]

That Jay song's old... and if you know him, nothing new.

It's funny, cause it's not like Jay passes them off as his own rhymes. He's giving props to the artists, you really think Jay-Z needs help writing clever lines?

"Biting" has become accepted in rap, about 10 years ago. Everyone does it *cough* WAYNE *cough*

[Kris P. Lettus]

I understand that "biting" is prevailent but that does not take away from the fact that the song rules.. It's a new spin on the diss track..

p.s. it is new to those who don't live on Hip Hop websites..

:yes:

[TapOut]

Anyone heard the new Bone Thugs album? I haven't listened all the way through yet, but I've listened to 'When The Lord Comes' like ten times now.

As for Jay-Z, one of my favorite lines by him was in a song I don't really like too much... it's from '03 Bonnie and Clyde, and he says "Eyes behind shades, this necklace is the reason all of my dates been blind dates."

So simple, yet so creative.... There's probably a good million instances (including damn near every line in Girls, Girls, Girls) but that one always stands out for me.

[.invurzion.]

I know that this is so off of topic ... but Kris P. - that fucking Sho Nuff av is the shit. :yes:

Carry on...

[Stringer Bell]

Jay-Z's best stuff is on Reasonable Doubt, I'd say. His wordplay is unmatched.

[Suno]

Personally I have grown to have a lot of respect for jigga, makes some shit hot music and is pretty true to his word, like the song 'Never Change', mans still hustlin, hustilin for records companies even. Made too many big tunes to name, one of the greatest. Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint is already a brilliant greatest hits. two classics right there.

[Fro]

Reasonable Doubt vs. The Blueprint is an interesting debate. I agree with Buck that RD has better lyricism (though not by much). But I'd say BP has better songs. Jigga's flow is a little better, and the production is much better, IMO. Overall I'd take The Blueprint.

[TapOut]

Reasonable Doubt is for sure the better lyrical and "rap" album, but Blueprint is much better for chilling to, enjoying the music and lyrics together. I'd rate Reasonable Doubt higher, it's one of my favorite rap albums ever, but like Frofiles said, the songs on Blueprint are just awesome. Girls, Girls, Girls is my shit, as was Izzo.

[Stringer Bell]

Eh, I personally think "Izzo" is one of the weaker songs in Jay's entire catalogue. Blueprint definitely has lots of standouts though... "Never Change", "Song Cry", "Ain't No Love", "U Don't Know", just to name a few.

I do agree that Blueprint might actually have better songs. It's a more mature Jay. The Black Album has some really incredible songs too, although they might not necessarily be his greatest lyrically ("December 4th", "My First Song").

Jay's a legend, without a doubt. The fact that someone like Cam'ron thinks he has any grounds to hate on him is pretty laughable. What the fuck has Cam'ron done besdies bring us mediocre rappers that get hyped as if they're hip-hop saviors?

[Stringer Bell]

Everyone should check out my buddy's site... you might not agree with all of his opinions, but he's funny as hell, and he always posts new exclusvies.

http://www.words2yourmother.com/

Give his site some traffic, it's quality...

[Mr. Boombastic]

Blueprint 1 and Blueprint 2 the gift are the shit, The black album is pretty good. I am not a Jay-Z guy, and vol 1, 2, and, 3 are decent rap albums. Other than that blueprint the curse is decent. It is not like Nas, I love 7 out of 8 Nas albums. I AM sucks as an album, but other than that Nas is the perfect artist.

Right now, I am listening to Huey Lewis and the News, thats the power of love.

[QuietStorm]

What the fuck has Cam'ron done besdies bring us mediocre rappers that get hyped as if they're hip-hop saviors?
...........


On second thought, I'm not going to set myself up like that....

[jesus sucks]

carter II is immense. and not a bad song yet and only up to track 8, which is a 'Dogg Pound 4 Life' cover/sample off the above the rim soundtrack :drool: loved that song as a youngster.

[Stringer Bell]

Blueprint 1 and Blueprint 2 the gift are the shit, The black album is pretty good. I am not a Jay-Z guy, and vol 1, 2, and, 3 are decent rap albums. Other than that blueprint the curse is decent. It is not like Nas, I love 7 out of 8 Nas albums. I AM sucks as an album, but other than that Nas is the perfect artist.



I think you meant Nastradamus. I Am was a letdown, but it still had a lot of good tracks.

Nastradamus was horrid, and widely thought of as his worst work.

[Suno]

I Am was shit hot, a dissapointing follow up but illmatic is a bit of a hard act to follow. Shootouts, I gave you power, great songs among others.

[Stringer Bell]

You're thinking of It Was Written bro.. I Am was his third.

But yeah, IWW gets hated on since it was a letdown after Illmatic, but it's by no means a bad album.

[PMBR]

If Nirvana or The Beatles made hip hop albums, do you think they would suck even worse than they already do.... or would they be just as bad?

[Kris P. Lettus]

Hey, you are shit..

:yes:

[Stringer Bell]

:wtf:

[Simon]

I think you meant Nastradamus. I Am was a letdown, but it still had a lot of good tracks.

Nastradamus was horrid, and widely thought of as his worst work.The whole Nastradamus being shit thing is a bit of a fallacy IMO, it was much worse than everything else but it was still objectively a good album. Like the newer Simpsons - compare them to old Simpsons, they're not great. But if someone has never seen old Simpsons, then watches the new stuff - chances are they will like it. Nastradamus is nowhere near as good as any of his other albums (and fair enough, considering he had to create an entire new album in a couple of months after the original Nastradamus got leaked to fuck), but it's still a decent album, I think.

I absolutely LOVE I Am..., fucking fantastic album. Hate Me Now, Favour For A Favour, K-I-S-S-I-N-G and the massively underappreciated Small World which is right up there with his best tracks in my opinion, beat is incredible. Love that album.

[Suno]

You're thinking of It Was Written bro.. I Am was his third.

But yeah, IWW gets hated on since it was a letdown after Illmatic, but it's by no means a bad album.

oh yesh, I Am had the message on right? aint listened to a Nas LP for fucking ages.

*edit* wrong again, just checked my copy of It Was Written which also includes the message. shows how much i dont listen to hiphop nowadays, woulda jumped down someones throat back in the day for making comments just like i have. :D

[Stringer Bell]

Simon, Nastradamus is pretty fucking poor compared to every other Nas disc. It's his most commercial, gimmicky, and mediocre..

[Morrison]

That's basically what he said.

[Simon]

That's exactly what I said, in fact.

[QuietStorm]

My current top five plays....

Cage - Waterworld is getting oh so many plays.... GIMMESUMDEATH

Icon the Mic King - the Infinite Spectrum EP is dope, plus the dude is very accomodating on AIM.... I think I made a long post about that like two years ago

Common - just the Electric Circus album (because everything else he did sucks, including the Coke commercial)

Ayentee - just getting into his stuff, his new album is fantastic

Sage Friggy - Joey Beats and him are a hell of a team on the Non-Prophets album

[Stringer Bell]

Water World is definitely dope.

Everything else Common did besides EC sucks? Come on now man, that's just ignorant. I do like EC more than most people, J Dilla's contributions were great, but you can't seriously tell me Resurrection sucks...

[Simon]

Resurrection is flawless. Right up there with the Illmatics, the Ready To Dies, the Reasonable Doubts of this world.

[QuietStorm]

Ok, then I'm ignorant. I hate Common and the fake image he portrays.

[Stringer Bell]

I agree with you there, he's especially overboard with it these days.

But that doesn't really make much sense based on what you said.

Resurrection has nothing to do with image, gimmicks, anything. It's straight-up classic hip-hop.

While the album you mentioned, Circus, is where he began his progression into his current bullshit image.

[Morrison]

In other news...

In light of Jay Dee's death, I've come across his collab with Madlib from a few years back, Champion Sound, thanks to AMG.

Anybody have this album? It's gotten great reviews.

Also been rocking Take Me To You Leader by King Geedorah a lot. "Anti-Matter" is fucking awesome.

[Stringer Bell]

Oh yeah, Jaylib is awesome. Not my favorite work of his, but it's still great. It's just I prefer Dilla, the producer, over Dilla, the rapper.

I picked up Pharcyde's Labcabincalifornia today, some GREAT stuff on there from Dilla and Diamond D. Was thinking about Dilla's Welcome To Detroit Instrumentals, but I haven't heard the actual album yet.

[Morrison]

Got a list off of a Doom forum noting some things that are in the works. Don't know how true any of it is, but should any of them finally see the light of day, they'll be orgasmic...

Madvillian 2(MF Doom and Madlib)
Count Fingers(Count Bass D and MF Doom)
Operation Doomsday 2(MF Grimm and MF Doom)
Swift & Changeable(MF Doom and Ghostface)

That Doom and Ghost project would be killer.

[Stringer Bell]

Madvillain 2 and The Ghost album are definitely in the works from what I heard...

Didn't MF Grimm recently diss Doom? Also, Doom already has an album called Operation Doomsday. I know you said you weren't sure how true they were, just saying..

[Stringer Bell]

The new Murs/9th Wonder, Murray Revenge, is sounding really nice. I love Murs cause he's not necessarily the most amazing emcee lyrically, but he remains relevent and entertaining because he's so real and down to earth. 9th Wonder comes with some crazy beats, he's slowly starting to experiment a little more. For 10 tracks, it's a really nice album. Kinda has the same problem as Common's Be in that it's too short, but what's there is definitely impressive. It's just that any album that isn't Illmatic should be close to an hour in my book..

[Morrison]

Madvillain 2 and The Ghost album are definitely in the works from what I heard...

Didn't MF Grimm recently diss Doom? Also, Doom already has an album called Operation Doomsday. I know you said you weren't sure how true they were, just saying..
It says Operation Doomsday 2.

And yeah, Grimm is about to release a new track with a Doom diss, but only after Doom did it first. Doom dissed Grimm and the collective Monsta Island Czars, M.I.C. for short, which Doom had been apart of, on "El Chupra Nibre" off Dangerdoom.

"Once joined a rap clique; midgets into crunk."

But who knows what's going on.

[Stringer Bell]

Interesting..

[Deka]

I just heard Eazy-E's, "Boyz-N-The-Hood (Remix)". That song is awesome. I didn't realize that Jim Jones', "Certified Gangstas" borrowed the instrumental from that.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Easy E-Eternal is a badass album..

[Stringer Bell]

Eazy's cool.. not the most amazing MC but he's charismatic as hell. I dunno about Eternal though.. definitely not my favorite of his. But "Real Muthafukkin G'z" is still one of the hardest diss songs, ever.

[Suno]

eternal was just some compilation made after he passed though, not really a proper Easy album, the only song on that that wasn't on any of his albums was Automobile, which was worth buying the damn thing for anywho..

'you dont have to front on me bitch
dont be afraid, its only a dick!'

Song creases me up.

[Fro]

Yea that song is one of my faves. It's from NWA's 3rd album. Eazy Duz It is dope too.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Eternal is his "greatest hits"..

[Stringer Bell]

Which is why it's not exactly his best... there's a lot of good stuff on there, but it's all about Eazy Duz It

Still, I stand by my statement "Real Muthafukkin G'z" is one of the hardest disses ever in rap.

[jesus sucks]

tell me where the fuck you found an annorextic rapper?
talking about who you gonna squabble with and who you shoot. you're only 60 pounds when-you-ain't-wearin-BOOTS!

:lol: eazy E was immense.

[Stringer Bell]

Shit is so great... seriously, probably my favorite Eazy song ever.

"Dre Day" was a dope song, but come on!

By the way, it's "you're only 60 pounds when your ass is wearin' boots", I think, which is even funnier.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Which is why it's not exactly his best...

Subjective..

I happen to like alot of the oldskool greatest hits.. I don't download so it's nice to be able to buy one CD and have a nice cross section of someones 10-20 year career.. Shit like:

LL Cool J-All World
KRS One-A Retrospective
Beastie Boys-Sounds of Science
Public Enemy-Power to the People and the Beat

Etc..

[.invurzion.]

That KRS "A Retrospective" is definitely fire. I listened to that a couple of months ago and the man is just on such a different level even compared to the majority of main stream popular rappers nowadays.

Good shit Kris P. :yes: You get rep sir...

[Stringer Bell]

Well yeah, Greatest Hits comps are cool if you don't have the albums from the artists, but they're generally just collections of singles and rarely the greatest songs from the artist. I know you didn't say Eternal was Eazy's best album, but still.. it's like praising Pac's Greatest Hits, which is far from his best album.

As for LL's All World, I'd MUCH rather just stick to one of his first couple releases, but that's just me...

I do remember Sounds of Science being pretty damn definitive though. Still, why not just go for Paul's Botique?

I see where you're coming from... it's just why rely on some record label exec to hand pick which songs are the best? More often than not, they're not the best songs from the artist.

[Kris P. Lettus]

As I said, with not downloading/making your own "greatest hits" (which is the best way), they are the best way to get a good selection of an artist's career without having to buy 5 cd's..

[Stringer Bell]

As I said, I see where you're coming from.. I just think it's better to go for the one album that's widely regarded as an artist's best than some greatest hits collecton that's usually a bit medicore and nothing but a collection of singles. Just me.

In some cases, the GH might be where it's at. Now that I think about it, Eazy's might actually be one of the better ones.

And I definitely agree that making your own Greatest Hits is the best... that's why I tend to hate GH collections that are just hand-picked singles.

[Kris P. Lettus]

So what do you do with a group like OutKast, where you could argue that any one of their cd's is the best??

Also, sure the greatest hits is lacking some of their best songs but as I've said, it's still a decent selection of their shit..



Track Listings
1. Intro
2. Funkin' Around
3. Ain't No Thang
4. So Fresh, So Clean
5. Rosa Parks
6. Whole World - Killer Mike, OutKast
7. Aquemini
8. B.O.B.
9. Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
10. Crumblin' Erb
11. Ms. Jackson
12. Player's Ball [Original Version]
13. Elevators (Me and You)
14. Spottieottiedopaliscious
15. Git Up, Git Out
16. Movin' Cool (The After Party)
17. Ms. Jackson [Mr. Drunk Remix]

[Kris P. Lettus]

Oh and on topic, I truely believe that Uncut Dope the the greatest collection of Geto Boys tracks outta any of their cd's..

[Stringer Bell]

Shit, I mean Outkast would be a hard group to do.... just like Rakim, Gangstarr, Wu, etc.

Honestly though Krisp, you can't tell me that your personal GH would be very close to that. I agree that it's a decent selection, but it's just their hit singles and nothing more. Lots of good songs, because Outkast simply don't make bad ones, but I'd hardly call it their best stuff. Then again, that's why their Greatest Hits I guess. Anyway, what would your personal one be like? I'm curious to know since you're a southern enthusiast...

I'd do it a little something like this... This is HARD... Didn't throw on any of the solo stuff or b-sides... they'd be on a second disc. Still, lots of songs got left off, and Stankonia got slighted, only because the first 3 discs have so many incredible songs..

1. Myintrotoletuknow
2. Ain't No Thang
3. Return of The G
4. Two Dope Boys In a Cadillac
5. Player's Ball
6. Da Art of Storytellin Part One
7. Elevators
8. Jazzy Belle
9. Crumblin' Herb
10. Wheelz of Steel
11. Hootie Hoo
12. Red Velvet
13. Aquemini
14. ATLiens
15. Skew It On The Bar-B
16. Gasoline Dreams
17. SpottieOttie
18. West Savannah
19. Southernplayalistic
20. 13th Floor/Growing Old


Wow... that was fucking rough.

[Kris P. Lettus]

1.Babylon
2.Aquemini
3.Wheels of Steel
4.Crumblin' Erb
5.Elevators
6.Funky Ride
7.ATLiens
8.Hootie Hoo
9.Git Up, Git Out
10.Two Dop Boys
11.Gangsta Shit
12.I'll Call Before I Come
13.Tomb of the Boom
14.A Life in the Day of Benjamin André
15.Slum Beautiful
16.Playa's Ball
17.And the Whole World
18.E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
19.Rosa Parks
20.Spottieottiedopaliscious
21.Elevators Remix

Something like that..

[Stringer Bell]

How amazing would it be to see a bunch of guys get together over a dusty Dilla beat and do a tribute track? Imagine.. Common, De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Busta, Slum Village, and then some more guys who had respect for him, all together, paying tribute to one of the best ever behind the boards. Someone make this happen!

[Fro]

I'm on it.

[TRO]

I think for OutKast you'd have to do a two-disc greatest hits thing, but I can never decide which songs to put on those things, and always end up using every good song the artist has ever done....

Anyone got the new Dilated yet?

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, it'd be much easier with two discs, I think I did a decent job with just 20 tracks though. Definitely some big exclusions, but I'd still be pretty satisfied with it.

I've got the new Dilated.. it's nice, still not fucking with The Platform though. Nice guest spot from Kweli among others. I can send it to you on AIM or something.

[TRO]

You could, but it'd take a couple weeks with the dialup modem I got... I'll buy the damn thing sooner or later...

I haven't been listening to much rap lately anyways, except maybe for the Lifesavas track on this Elliott Smith tribute album... A hip-hop cover of Smith's "Happiness", it's something else... Like Ben Folds' "Bitches Ain't Shit", but reversed... I don't really know what to make of it, but for a cover it's very fresh, and it's Lifesavas so I had to own it...

[QuietStorm]

And Lyrics Born isn't really rap anyways. It is more like sleeptalking.

[QuietStorm]

Another one I got courtesy of Joey Beats at the Non-Prophets board....


Jay Dee's last days

The untold story of the noted Detroit hip-hop producer's drive to make music
in the face of life-threatening illness

February 23, 2006

BY KELLEY L. CARTER

FREE PRESS MUSIC WRITER

It was near the end of summer 2005, and James Yancey was sitting in a
hospital bed at Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles.

He couldn't walk. He could barely talk. And after spending most of the
winter and spring in the hospital, receiving treatment for a rare,
life-threatening blood disease and other complications, he had been
re-admitted.

His body was killing him, and little could be done about it.

It was a grim prognosis, but it wasn't deterring him from tinkering with his
electronic drum machine.

In the sterile white hospital room, the tools of his trade surrounded him:
turntables, headphones, crates of records, a sampler, his drum machine and a computer, stuff his mother and friends from L.A.-based record label Stones Throw had lugged to his hospital room. Sometimes his doctor would listen to the beats through Yancey's headphones, getting a hip-hop education from one of the best in the business.

Yancey tampered with his equipment until his hands swelled so much he could barely move them. When the pain was too intense, he'd take a break. His mother massaged his fingertips until the bones stopped aching.

Then he'd go back to work. Sometimes he'd wake her up in the middle of the night, asking to be moved from his bed to a nearby reclining chair so he
could layer more hard-hitting beats atop spacey synths or other sampled
sounds, his creations stored on computer. Yancey told his doctor he was
proud of the work, and that all he wanted to do was finish the album.

Before September ended, he'd completed all but two songs for "Donuts," a
disc that hit stores on Feb. 7, his 32nd birthday.

Three days after its release, he died.

Yancey, better known as Jay Dee or J Dilla, is acknowledged as the father of
the Detroit hip-hop sound. Some people call him a creative genius, and his
streetwise but soulful and musically tight production style influenced some
of the world's biggest rap and R&B stars, from Kanye West to Janet Jackson
to Erykah Badu, many of whom he worked with.

He was a champion of Detroit's urban music scene, and in the mid-'90s, when hip-hop was dominated by the East and West coasts, he put a distinct Motor City sound on the national map -- and provided inspiration to then-unknowns like Eminem, D12 and his own group, Slum Village.

As his reputation rose, he persisted with his distinct connection to the
musical underground, serving as a sort-of people's champion of the
non-commercial hip-hop scene.

Just as he was poised for even greater fame, he got sick -- a medical
odyssey that would put him in and out of hospitals for the better part of
four years, racking up staggering medical bills.

The instigator was a rare and incurable blood disease, but the complications
were many, including recurring kidney failure, severe blood-sugar swings,
immune system issues, heart trouble and what might have been lupus.

While rumors swirled in hip-hop circles that he was sick, the extent -- and
specifics -- of his health concerns were largely kept secret. Yancey was not
the type who wanted others to know about his problems. Even some of his
closest friends didn't know what he did: Death was soon coming.

Since his death, fans have gathered to mourn his passing and celebrate his
legacy, a mood that will continue today at a public Detroit memorial
service. And for the first time, those who saw Yancey's struggles
first-hand, including his mother and doctor, are talking about his final
days.

January 2002: Something's wrong

Yancey first realized something was wrong in January 2002 after coming back from a gig in Europe, two years after Slum Village's first national release, "Fantastic Vol. 2." Instead of going to his home in Clinton Township, he went to his parents' house on Detroit's east side, complaining that he had a cold or the flu.

It was unusual behavior. Even as a kid he'd liked his privacy, but that
night he needed to be with his mother, Maureen Yancey, hoping that she could somehow make it all better.

He was sick to his stomach. He had chills. And after he lay down, he said he
felt worse.

His mother took him to the emergency room at Bon Secours Hospital in Grosse Pointe. His blood platelet count was below 10. It should have been between 140 and 180. Doctors told his mother they were surprised that he was still walking around.

Soon, a specialist from Harper Hospital would diagnose a thrombotic
thrombocytopenic pura or TTP, a rare blood disease that causes a low
platelet count. Abnormal cells were eating away the good cells. Doctors told
him there was no cure or direct treatment.

Yancey stayed in the hospital for about a month and a half. Within weeks he
had to go back for the same thing -- a trend that would continue for more
than four years.

Despite the looming health problems, Yancey moved to L.A. about two years
after he was diagnosed, determined to make music. Some things went well,
including a musical collaboration and friendship with the rapper Common, who became his roommate. But he began to feel worse, and he met with a blood specialist who told him that in order to live, he'd have to endure
medications and hospital treatments.

In November 2004, Yancey called his mother and asked if she'd come out to
L.A. to help take care of him.

Disease leads to kidney failure

Yancey went into the hospital shortly after his mom arrived, and he stayed
until March 2005. His mother, who slept at the hospital, never left his
side. She began to take the reins of her son's health issues, which included
mounting bills.

He had to take anti-immune and anti-inflammation steroids. A medication
designed to suppress his immune system gave him high blood sugar, and he was taken off it.

The TTP also led to kidney failure. His kidneys would shut down, spring
back, shut down again. The three-times-a-week, four-hour dialysis treatments were sometimes so painful he had to be unhooked from the machine.

Because he was lying in bed for long periods, his legs swelled, making it
difficult to walk. He needed a wheelchair or a walker or cane -- the latter
he used when he could get out to the music store to look for records, or to
a nearby fruit market to get juice or a 7-Eleven Slurpee, a treat. Sometimes
he would forget how to swallow and would have to relearn. He lost 50% of his
weight.

"A lot of times, just when we would get ready to get going, he would get
sick again," Maureen Yancey said. "He was so tired of going back. It was
very sedentary. Just watching him, it was sad at times. He couldn't do what
he wanted to."

In 2005, weeks before his 31st birthday, doctors diagnosed something that
looked like lupus, a chronic inflammatory disease that can affect the skin,
joints, blood and kidneys. His doctor said it was probably what contributed
to the low platelet count and the frequent swelling and pain in his hands.

Sure, those long hospital stays had plenty of undesirable consequences. But
it was the inability to touch the music, to pick it out of records bins,
twist it and create it, that made those long stays feel never-ending.

The hospital bills mount

Even though he had insurance through the American Federation of Television
and Radio Artists, the cost to keep Yancey alive was steep, and he had to
pay much of it himself.

Bills for the lengthy hospital stays topped $200,000 each time. Dialysis
three times a week cost $1,800. Each once-a-week shot to raise his
hemoglobin cost $1,800. He had dozens of prescriptions -- $700, $900 or even $2,000 out of pocket per bottle. He had large co-pays -- one was $6,700 a week -- because he had to see specialists.

His mother, who today gets medical invoices almost daily, has yet to total
up the costs. His plan was to make more music -- he had a project lined up
with Will Smith -- to pay the bills and leave money to take care of his
Detroit-based daughters, Ja-mya Yancey, 4, and Ty-monet Whitlow, 5.

To pay the bills, Maureen says, she'll work the rest of her life if she has
to.

A Detroit friend steps in

Mike Buchanan, better known as DJ House Shoes, first met Yancey in the
mid-'90s at Street Corner Music in Beverly Hills. House Shoes worked there
and Yancey was a wanna-be music producer on the hunt for albums.

After Yancey moved to L.A., their friendship waned. In early 2005, House
Shoes heard the rumor that Yancey was in a coma and might not pull through. He booked a flight to L.A. and packed a bunch of CDs -- random beats CDs, a mix-tape CD that House Shoes had recently released and anything else he thought Yancey would want to hear.

He stayed a week, spending every day in the hospital with him.

His friend looked different -- he was smaller and quieter. House Shoes
struggled, not wanting to pry too much about the details of his friend's
illness.

"I poker-faced it," House Shoes would say a year later. "It was hard as
hell."

At his hospitalized birthday celebration, Yancey got cake -- chocolate, his
favorite -- from one of his record labels, Stones Throw. He also got a
baseball jersey decorated with Detroit street signs.

Then there was a private gift.

House Shoes called about 35 people in Detroit -- some who knew Yancey and others who'd never met him but appreciated his contributions to hip-hop. He had them leave birthday and get-well greetings on his voice mail.

"Man, listen to this crazy message this girl left me," House Shoes said,
bringing his cell phone closer to Yancey's ear.

Then he let them play. All 35 messages. There in his hospital bed, Yancey
broke down and cried.

Yancey hides his condition

Yancey kept quiet about how bad things really were.

After that early 2005 stint at the hospital -- the one that prompted hip-hop
message boards to report he was in a coma -- he granted an interview to
hip-hop magazine XXL for its June edition.

In the interview, he denied that he was comatose, and said that he had
gotten sick overseas. "As soon as I got back," he told the magazine, "I had
the flu or something, and I had to check myself into the hospital. Then they
find out I had a ruptured kidney and was malnourished from not eatin' the
right kinda food. It was something real simple, but it ended with me being
in the hospital."

Only his doctor and his mother knew how bad it really was.

Detroit rapper Proof, like many of Yancey's friends, never wanted to push
it.

"We never really got into the sickness thing. I would be like 'How you
doing?' He would be like 'Better,' " Proof said.

The Bible provides comfort

Yancey became more spiritual in the last year of his life.

He and his mother studied the story of Job, which tackles the question of
why innocent people suffer, and which biblical scholars interpret to be
about faith and patience.

"For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me: because I was not cut off before the darkness, neither hath he covered the darkness from my face."

His doctor said he had come to terms with illness.

"He didn't want to be a professional patient," said Dr. Aron Bick, Yancey's
L.A.-based hematologist, who also is an oncologist. "The treatment was
difficult because he would not want to go to the hospital. He was very
intelligent. He said, 'I hear you, doc. But here are my decisions about my
own life.'

"I admired that on a human level. He got the medical care he needed. He
really did not let his medical situation handicap his life. To him, life
came first. He made peace with himself before we even knew it. And then he
made peace with his mom."

On his 32nd birthday, Yancey spent the day at his L.A. home.

Roommate Common bought him a birthday cake, chocolate, of course. DJ Peanut Butter Wolf and Madlib, friends from hip-hop's underground, came over with a cake in the shape of a chocolate doughnut, to honor the "Donuts" album, which was released that day.

Their visit was brief, because Yancey felt uncomfortable with people seeing
him that way.

They left the cake at the door. Yancey had a small piece. It was all his
aching stomach could take.

It hadn't quite been a month since he'd left the hospital, and he'd just
learned how to swallow again. Because his voice wasn't strong, he sometimes refused to open his mouth. He was shuffling around his home with a walker -- he'd gotten rid of the wheelchair weeks before.

"At that point I really felt like something was wrong, more so than ever,"
said Peanut Butter Wolf. "Even a few weeks before that he was in a
wheelchair, but he was energetic and showing me music and showing me his
equipment and talked about moving all of his equipment that's still in
Detroit to L.A."

Still, in spite of the pain, he was happy. His one prayer had been answered.
This was the first birthday in four years that he hadn't spent in a
hospital.

'It's going to be all right'

In the last days of his life, as he shuffled up and down the hallway, he had
heart-to-heart chats with his mother. They were quick. But they were
thoughtful.

"You know I love you, right?" he said. "And I appreciate everything you've
ever done for me."

"You don't have to say that," she said.

He and his mother had developed a ritual that preceded medical procedures: They'd slap high-fives, an indication that everything was going to be OK.

At home, the day after his birthday, he held his hand up for his mom to meet it in midair.

She was puzzled. There was no procedure that day. Why was he doing this?

He continued to motion for her to high-five him, refusing to stop until her
hand met his.

Finally, she relented and gave it to him.

"That's what I'm talking about," he said. "We're in this together. It's all
good. You're going to be all right. I promise you it's going to be all
right."

[Stringer Bell]

Nice, looks like another good read. I'll check it out in a second.

Anyone heard the instrumental tribute to Dilla by up-and-coming producer Cyrus The Great? It's pretty nice stuff, and he's encouraging heads on the internet to spread it around as much as possible. I'll try to get my hands on a link to throw you guys.

Also, for all my fellow Ghostface heads.. http://rapidshare.de/files/14017450/DJ_Green_Lantern_And_Ghostface-Internet_Invasion_-j0hncena-.rar

[Stringer Bell]

Some of the worst rap album covers in history.. they don't even need explanations. I typed up some stuff for each of them and was gonna make a topic, but said fuck it. Feel free to post your own...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000C0A3.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000064PT.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008NGI5.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005J9TV.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I think it's safe to say Pen & Pixel made some of the worst covers of all time. I would've posted that one Souljah Slim cover with the tanks and army men, and the "Little Soldiers" or whatever it was where they were busting out of the toy boxes.. but it's almost too easy to make fun of stuff like that. Might have to dig them up for fun..

The Gangstarr one is just horrible. As much as I love them.. what were they thinking? Even for the that time.. jeeez :eek:

[spanish announce table]

That Gang Starr cover is awesome.

Lets get some lists going...

Best album covers:
Liquid Swords
Aquemini
Fish Scale (the one with the fishes)
Revolutionary Vol. 1
Illmatic

Best beats:
To a black boy (9th Wonder, I think)
Triumph (RZA)
Betrayal (Premo)
Tai Chi (4th Disciple)
Saviorself (Stoupe)

Best Verses:
Inspectah Deck - Cold World, Triumph, & CREAM
Andre 3000 - Aquemini, Wailin', & Da Art of Storytellin'
Canibus - Poet Laureate 2, 100 Bars, & Bis vs Rip

[QuietStorm]

I'm not quite sure if Canibus verses count. That is alien rap. Lets keep it human, ok?

[Stringer Bell]

Shit, I could go on forever with best beats and best verses.. that's nearly impossible.

I dunno, I'm not digging that Gang Starr cover at all. Like I said I love them, Primo is the greatest producer there is.. but umm...

[Kris P. Lettus]

And Lyrics Born isn't really rap anyways. It is more like sleeptalking.

WHAT??

[Kris P. Lettus]

Buck Marley: Hating on Southern Rap since Nov 2004

[TRO]

http://www.smokingrobot.com/images/coup-cover.jpg

This came out what, like a week before 9-11?

[TRO]

And Lyrics Born is rap... Except when it's not, like "Balcony Beach" and shit...

[Kris P. Lettus]

Songs like "I changed My Mind" really aren't Rap but classifications are stupid anyway..

[Stringer Bell]

Buck Marley: Hating on Southern Rap since Nov 2004

Aha. I didn't hate on the music at all, but those covers are horrible. Figures you'd try to defend them or some shit though. But, I even put one of my favorite groups of all time on there. Also, I love plenty of southern rap. Just shut up, please.

[Stringer Bell]

Ghostface Fishscale leaked.. a rough advance copy, that is. It's damn good.. complete quality as always. Thank god for real hip-hop.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Aha. I didn't hate on the music at all, but those covers are horrible. Figures you'd try to defend them or some shit though. But, I even put one of my favorite groups of all time on there. Also, I love plenty of southern rap. Just shut up, please.

Where did I try to defend them??

[jesus sucks]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006B2AFQ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://images.windowsmedia.com/img/prov_u/300_80/00044007737521_800x800.jpg
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000248C0.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drd900/d923/d92392m163h.jpg
http://www.midheaven.com/fi/Images/abr0021cd.jpeg

i didn't buy the pras one, but just by the cover i can tell it was awful. plus nobody ever saw him again after it came out. the other 4 are the worst cd's i've ever bought. by a considerable stretch. that white backpaper nerd shit is rubbish, i liked it for all of 2 days then realised 'hang on a minute, white rap is shite and this music is fucking gay' and threw it in the bin like.

[Stringer Bell]

You bought The Carter II.

FISHSCALE is AMAZING.... wow.

[LGHTNNG]

BuckMarley... shut up. You're biggest faggot in this thread and you just annoy the shit out of me talking about what is 'real hip hop'.

Check out CHINO XL - POISON PEN.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I like your style, kid..

[QuietStorm]

Everyone knows KRS-One is the only real hip hopper to ever live. Duh. The dude has his own Hip Hop Church. He is pope, bishop, pastor, clergy, altar boy, and the body of KRS all rolled in one.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The Church of Boogie Down Productions and Latter Day Saint

Scott LaRock died for our sins..

[Stringer Bell]

Fishscale :eek: :eek: :eek:

Anyone else heard this? I can't wait for the retail.. most definitely worth the purchase.

[Simon]

Everyone drop the fucking aggro. AGAIN.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, and...

Fischscale. Get that.

[spanish announce table]

Fishscale :eek: :eek: :eek:

Anyone else heard this? I can't wait for the retail.. most definitely worth the purchase.

From the 4 I've heard so far, Be Easy and Back Like That are decent radio songs, 9 Milli Brothers is dope, but the best track is The Champ. How's the rest of it?

[Morrison]

Buck, can you send it to me over AIM sometime?

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, I can actually PM you a link if it's still up.

"9 Million Brothers"? Is that another name for the "The Answer" joint with most of the Wu? It's a hell of a song.. I was hoping for the whole Wu on it, but maybe it'll be different come the retail.

The rest of it is great, I think.. but everyone knows I'm a huge Ghost fan. "Champion" is probably my favorite song of the moment too, I'm a sucker for Blaze beats. For a rough advanced copy, it's pretty damn fantastic.. I can only imagine how nice the retail, which looks like it will be at least somewhat different (the advance doesn't have "Charlie Brown", "Big Girl", or the Kanye song), is going to be..

But yeah, link's coming your way Morrison.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Send it to me or post it in here..

[Stringer Bell]

Saw GZA and DJ Muggs tonight... just incredible. I was in the very front row for the whole show, got some pretty damn good pics considering they're from a camera phone.

Wu on the 13th... GZA last night... and GHOSTFACE in April! Got my ticket tonight for that. :heart: Wu

[Kris P. Lettus]

I hate you..

:cry:

[Stringer Bell]

GZA and Muggs aren't coming your way?

Check your PM :yes: