Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[Stringer Bell]

You can't front on that Big Shug album though. Primo always brings great production. And that Tragedy is hot.

[Suno]

I only like lyricists....

pfft, thats all well and good, just a shame you limit yourself from a wealth of great music out there really, as they say though, ignorance is bliss.

[Kris P. Lettus]

New Three 6 is outstanding...

[Stringer Bell]

What's "outstanding" on it, really? I liked it a lot more than Unbreakables, but outstanding? It's just more of the same. And try to answer my question instead of saying "BuckMarley's a fag".

[Kris P. Lettus]

DJ Paul's production is great, as always.. "More of the same", I agree, and being that I've always liked them, I like this..

My question to you is, if you hate them so much why listen to them?? It seems, you haven't liked 3-6 for awhile yet every time they're mentioned you have something to say.. I truly think you only listen to certain acts just to be able to say you don't like them.. Why eles would you listen to a new album by a group you don't like?? You have alot of knowledge about Hip Hop yet I think you use it more as a "shit don't stink"-ish flaunt than an actual basis for discussion.. I really think you downloaded this album because you knew it'd be discussed and you need backing for your blantant hatred of Southern Hip Hop..

So again, why, if you don't like them, would you listen to their album??

And yes, you are a fag...

[Morrison]

Maybe because he thinks he'll get the old "if you've never listened to it, how do you know they suck" line.

[Kris P. Lettus]

But he says "more of the same", which I agree with because 3-6 has their own style that they've been usiong since the early 90's.. What I don't get is, if you didn't like anything they've ever put out and even argued on here about how terrible they are, what motives, besides arguing introspectiveness would he have in listening to them??

That is why he chafes my asshole on a daily basis...

[TapOut]

New Three 6 is outstanding...

I second that. I love the opening. Makes the album title perfectly understandable, and the production is great.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I second that. I love the opening. Makes the album title perfectly understandable, and the production is great.

The outro is hilarious also.. Juicy J is a f'n idiot..

[Stringer Bell]

Everytime just about anything I've heard is mentioned I'll give my opinion about it.. it's not exclusive to you Krisp. You just happen to like a lot of guys I don't :p

The beats are probably one of the shining points of the album, but I can't give them much respect because as you admitted, it's more of the same. Even 9th Wonder, in a group I really enjoy, Little Brother, gets on my nerves because he sticks to a strict formula and has a lot of similar-sounding beats.

I give everything a chance, and why the hell is that a problem? Three Six just don't appeal to me though. How many times can we hear them rapping about snorting coke while sprinkling in a little of what's popular ("Poppin My Collar", "Ridin' Spinnaz")? Three Six were much better back on Mystic Stylez, they actually switched stuff up. Even their "Underground" discs had good tracks. These days, they're pumping out the same shit relentlessly like everyone else. It's not like they're my least favorite group in rap though, like I said, I've liked some of their previous stuff.. so I'd surely give their album a chance. I like to see what everyone's bringing to the table, regardless of the artist. Word it however you want it.

[TapOut]

Well said, Buck, but you have to understand that artists who you like, if they stick to a formula, you're going to like it because, well, that's the formula you like.

Likewise, if you don't like a certain style, and the artists use that style often, then you won't like it. Wu Tang Clan have a very formulatic style as well (at least that's what my ears hear). You like that style, so of course, you like most of the stuff they put out. You don't like 3-6's style, so most of the stuff they put out you won't like. And of course, while I'm not a huge fan of southern hip-hop, there are a few artists (as I've said many times, P Miller, Trick and Three 6) are my favorite, so if they stick to their 'formulas', I'm going to enjoy it.

I think it's good that finally you and Krispy are having a semi-sensible debate. You both make fair points, but as Krispy said, you obviously don't like that style of rap so it's more than likely not going to appeal to you. It would take a drastic change in their style for that to happen.

*Edit: damn, I said style and formula a lot...

[Stringer Bell]

Most of what you said is on point, but Wu Tang is FAR from formulatic bro. RZA always brings something new to the table, not to mention guys like Ghost who are almost too zany and original for their own good. Maybe you need to get deeper into their catalogue, but Wu-Tang is the complete opposite of formulatic.

[Suno]

errrrrm, Wu-Tang not formulatic? It is a fact that RZA uses the same EQ and Compression for alot of his drum sounds to get that raw effect, same with alot of his samples, he runs alot of his shit through the same tried and trusted compressor, yeah, its hella dope, but I'd say thats pretty formulatic. Seeing as you probably dont know shit about production techniques you probably shouldn't say stuff like they're completely the opposite, why fix what aint broken has always been a true say.

Whats the name of the new 3-6? Krisp says its banging i need to be all over it.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The Most Known Unknowns

[Stringer Bell]

Surely RZA's production techniques might stick to a similar format, but the end result is rarely similar to anything else. And he's surely not using the same style nowadays (or even 4-5 years ago) as he did on 36 Chambers.. the sounds are vastly different. I wasn't talking as much about his actual technique while producing being formulatic as the final product. It's always something fresh with RZA, always some crazy shit you haven't heard anything like before. With Three Six, all of their beats for the last ten or so years all sound goddamn similar.

And the Wu MC's are far from formulatic, like I said.

[Kris P. Lettus]

But I can hear a beat and say "that's a RZA beat" the same way I could with DJ Paul..

And you still never answer the question.. If you don't like them AND know what to expect, then why listen to and argue about them??

[Stringer Bell]

I did answer that.

[Suno]

there is no formula to being an MC, its an individual thing, as for three six's beats being similar for the last ten years? yeah, paul and j obviously love that 808 drum kit, its a sound that runs synomonous with southern hio hop, going back as far as luke and 2 Live, but as far as composistion and samples, your just talking bs, they're clever producers, with a distinctive sound coming with some innovative beats throughout their tenure in the game.

[Stringer Bell]

I dunno about innovative. I'll give them their props for making quality beats, but like I said, they've been putting out the same beats for 10 years... what happened to songs like "Da Summa"?

When you hear a Three Six beat, you KNOW it's Three Six... something I hardly think is the case for RZA, regardless of what Krisp says. RZA has done so much wacked out and different shit that it's almost impossible to recognize all of his beats. You can't tell me a song like "Grits" sounds anything like RZA production.

And surely there is a formula for MC's these days. "Hot" 16's, catchy hooks, talk about drugs and gunplay... damn near every popular MC these days follows this bullshit. That's why it's always nice to hear someone who brings a change of pace.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I did answer that.

No you didn't...


I give everything a chance, and why the hell is that a problem? Three Six just don't appeal to me though. How many times can we hear them rapping about snorting coke while sprinkling in a little of what's popular ("Poppin My Collar", "Ridin' Spinnaz")? Three Six were much better back on Mystic Stylez, they actually switched stuff up. Even their "Underground" discs had good tracks. These days, they're pumping out the same shit relentlessly like everyone else.

Saying you liked shit they did over ten years ago in the same breath as saying everything they've done in the past ten years sucks does not answer the question of, why do you listen to them.. You say they are bland and repeditive over and over while saying since you use to like them you'll give their new shit a chance..

O_o

Come on.. You may be a whiney faggot but you can't be that stuipid...

[Stringer Bell]

What I said made plenty of sense. Like I said, word it however you'd like. I like to hear what everyone's bringing to the table, no matter how shitty they may be.

[Kris P. Lettus]

But at the same time that "grits" was awesome and different, alot of the "different" shit on Birth of a Prince sucked balls.. Songs like "Thai Chi", which was obviously a RZA beat, were the best things on that album..

[Kris P. Lettus]

What I said made plenty of sense. Like I said, word it however you'd like. I like to hear what everyone's bringing to the table, no matter how shitty they may be.

Fair enough.. It's your motives behind doing so that make you a "holier than thou", "shit don't stink" punk ass wanna-be...

In other words, you try way too hard to be a Hip Hop smart...

[Stringer Bell]

:rolleyes: Word it however you'd like Krispy...

It's a shame we can't have an intelligent discussion without you having to revert back to the old "punk-ass", "faggot" comments. You said you're a "grown ass man".. act like it.

I give everything a chance.. for all I know they could've come with a lot of tracks I enjoy. Run along.

[Kris P. Lettus]

As I told Simon, as long as you act like a whiney, bitch made, faggot, I'll reffer to you as such..

Simple fact is, we've had this discussion.. Everyone knows, you don't like Three 6.. There's no need for you to be in this conversation at all.. I truely think you listened to this album just so when it was mentioned, you could talk shit and be able to say you're not blindly hating on it.. You say "I listen to everything that's brought to the table", that's fine.. At the same time, you don't have to comment on shit just to start arguments.. Which "however you word it", you did.. That action, makes you a whiney, bitch made, wanna-be and until you stop acting as such, I'll continue to call said insults..

Now run along and masturbate into your backpack or something..

[Stringer Bell]

Haha. Surely a "grown ass man" wouldn't have to rely on childish name calling and personal attacks to get his point across, no? Maybe that's how they do it down souf...

There's no need for me to be in the conversation? I have just as much of a right as you do to express my opinion, believe it or not :eek: You surely seem to love arguing with me, so why's it such a problem buddy?

The backpack comment was great. How old are you again?

On second thought, I should've probably picked a better word than 'formula'. Surely every producer sticks to a loose formula, but the good ones (Primo, RZA, Just Blaze, etc. etc.) always update and re-create their own style. Paul and J are stuck in some sort of rut, and can't get their shit out of 1997. All their beats since that "Choices" soundtrack, or World Domination or whatever, have all been so damn similar that it's laughable. They stick to the EXACT formula.. I dunno, I guess I just like fresh stuff for my ears :dunno: *awaits the "THEN WHY DO U LISTEN TO IT???" comment*

[Miotch]

So, I'm just listening to the new DangerDoom album, and I must say, it's incredible. I can't decide if I like it as much or better than the Madvillain album.

You can listen to the whole thing for free right now on Myspace. Just search for Dangerdoom. :yes: Absolutely incredible.

[Kris P. Lettus]

There's no need for me to be in the conversation? I have just as much of a right as you do to express my opinion, believe it or not :eek: You surely seem to love arguing with me, so why's it such a problem buddy?


You have a right to your opinion but you can'r seem to put your point across without claiming it as fact.. BIG difference in discussing an album and trying to start an arguement just to prove you are more of a "head".. You do the latter.. As I said, everyone knows you don't like Three 6.. I said I dug their new album in passing and you go off questioning why I like them all the while disrespecting an act that you know many here like.. That, in internet terms, is known as "trolling".. You know what you are doing and what it will cause..

It's not the fact that you don't like Three 6 that's the reason you shouldn't be in this convo.. It's your motives on what you're trying to prove that's the reason you shouldn't be in this convo..

Now fuck off..

[Kris P. Lettus]

So, I'm just listening to the new DangerDoom album, and I must say, it's incredible. I can't decide if I like it as much or better than the Madvillain album.

You can listen to the whole thing for free right now on Myspace. Just search for Dangerdoom. :yes: Absolutely incredible.

Will give it a listen later on today..

:yes:

[Deka]

Three Six Mafia is pretty good.

I like "Sippin On Some Sizzurp" and "Chicken Head". Plus a bunch of other songs by them I don't know the name of. But, for the most part I haven't heard alot of their stuff.

I mean, I really like their new single, "Stay Fly" with Young Buck and Eightball and MJG. It's a nice track and the video for it is fun. And also just discovered another good song with them on it with Paul Wall while I was making a CD. I think it's called, "I'm A Playa". It's a pretty nice track. Should be/should have been one of Paul Wall's singles in my opinion.

[QuietStorm]

Glue. Adeem and Maker.

[Stringer Bell]

You have a right to your opinion but you can'r seem to put your point across without claiming it as fact.. BIG difference in discussing an album and trying to start an arguement just to prove you are more of a "head".. You do the latter.. As I said, everyone knows you don't like Three 6.. I said I dug their new album in passing and you go off questioning why I like them all the while disrespecting an act that you know many here like.. That, in internet terms, is known as "trolling".. You know what you are doing and what it will cause..

It's not the fact that you don't like Three 6 that's the reason you shouldn't be in this convo.. It's your motives on what you're trying to prove that's the reason you shouldn't be in this convo..

Now fuck off..

Because you know my motives, right? :wtf: Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm not contributing to discussion. It's far from trolling.

[Stringer Bell]

As much as I dislike Three Six, Paul Wall gets on my nerves like no other. At least Three Six have maintained through the years and established themselves. Wall comes out of nowhere and has everyone on his nuts.. he hasn't proved shit. I know he's had underground albums, but since when.. like 2002? It'd be one thing if he had some lyrical ability, but this guy is a joke. Same sentiments towards Young Jeezy.

Anyone check out that DJ Quik that came out a few weeks ago? Classic G-funk style, I even dug Game's guest spot. Really thorough west coast album, lots of good production.

[TapOut]

As much as I dislike Three Six, Paul Wall gets on my nerves like no other. At least Three Six have maintained through the years and established themselves. Wall comes out of nowhere and has everyone on his nuts.. he hasn't proved shit. I know he's had underground albums, but since when.. like 2002? It'd be one thing if he had some lyrical ability, but this guy is a joke. Same sentiments towards Young Jeezy.

So what exactly is the criteria for 'proving yourself'?

I don't like Paul Wall either (although he has a couple of songs I enjoy, just don't care for him overall), but I'm not sure what he has to prove. He mingled in the underground for a few years, had a few mixtapes and has caught the respect and eyes of a lot of southern rappers, and thus landed a deal. It's now up to the consumer. I'm not sure what the set standard is for proving something.

[Stringer Bell]

Which rapper's respect has Paul Wall earned? Exactly what is there to respect? His cool little grill? Sure he has/had a big following in Houston, but that tends to happen for just about any local artist. Wall brings nothing at all to the table as an MC. His retail album is junk. The guy might have beats or whatever, but he posseses no lyrical ability. I'm sure even Krispy will agree with me here.

To prove yourself to me, you need to release a good amount of material, and show that you have some sort of longevity. That, or bring something so refreshing and consistent in a very short amount of time (guys like BIG). Wall has done neither of these. I didn't reference any 'set standard' for proving yourself, it's about whether they've proved anything to me or not. As much as I dislike Three Six, they're without a doubt longevitive as hell, and have remained a driving force from Memphis for over a decade.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Paul Wall has been around forever... Like '98 or some shit..

[Adamy]

Which rapper's respect has Paul Wall earned?

T.I., Slim Thug, Mike Jones, and Lil John all rep Paul Wall.

But Paul Wall must have rich parents or something, because you can't be street and start a jewlery business.

[Deka]

I could care less about his street cred. I enjoy the guy's music and the way he flows on his beats. Plus, every video he's in is nice. And, to me, that's all that matters.

[Adamy]

I don't really care about his street cred either, it's just the kind of thing most people don't think about.

[Stringer Bell]

I didn't say anything about street cred... I said he hasn't proved himself to me.

TI's one of the better young southern acts, but he still hasn't done much to prove himself. Slim Thug and Mikes Jones? Pleaaase... and Lil Jon will rep anyone :p

For someone that's been around since '98, it certainly doesn't show. You think he would've picked up a few things. "More karats than Bug's Bunny's lunch".. oh shit!!

No offense Deka, but all of his videos are exactly the same. "Tipping" in some candy painted cars, showing off his grill in the middle of the street. What's so nice about that? His videos are the worst part if you ask me.

I'm not the biggest Howard Stern fan, but he handed his ass to him on this show I listened to. Then I heard the brought Wall in and they challenged him to "act white", and he pretty much said that wasn't possible :lol:

[TapOut]

But see, you say "Who's respect has he earned" and then we give names, and you shoot all of them down, even credible rappers like Lil' Jon. And Lil' Jon has 'proved himself'... he's not going anywhere anytime soon. He'll be around for a while now, as he's joined the elite ranks of producers like Dre, Jermaine Dupri, and a few others. I'm not saying he's on their level, but he will be around...

I'm not sure what else T.I. has to do to prove himself either. I mean, I guess you can call them 'amateurs', but if you put him in that category, then you have to put others who are new yet hot artists in the same league. Anyways, he's on tracks with a lot of different people. Kanye West put him on his album... there must be some people who see something in him.

[Stringer Bell]

Lil Jon, a credible.. rapper? I'm not shooting anyone down, I just said they haven't proven themselves to me. That has nothing to do with anyone else who purchases music, or anyone for that matter.

[QuietStorm]

Lil Jon is platinum plus, man.

[TapOut]

Lil Jon has a distinct voice and sound. Producer, rapper, whatever. Personally, I think he's both. Moreso a producer than a rapper, but still.

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, Lil Jon is awesome.

[Stringer Bell]

He's done big things on the boards for the past 3-4 years, but a credible rapper? I don't think I've ever actually heard him rap.

[TapOut]

He's done big things on the boards for the past 3-4 years, but a credible rapper? I don't think I've ever actually heard him rap.

Okayyyyy....

Have you heard any of his albums or some of his guest spots on other people's albums? He does actually does do more than just yell "yeaaaaahhhh-uhhh!" and "O-kaaaay!!".

[QuietStorm]

Lil Jon is a class act, homie.

[Adamy]

showing off his grill in the middle of the street.

If I made those fronts myself, I'd want to show them off too.

[Seanny One Ball]

What I have heard of L'il John is all shite.

For some reason I heard a Young Jeezy track the other day and liked it.
I might have to listen again and pick deliberate fault with it, just to compensate.

[Deka]

No offense Deka, but all of his videos are exactly the same. "Tipping" in some candy painted cars, showing off his grill in the middle of the street. What's so nice about that? His videos are the worst part if you ask me.

Why would that offend me?

You like what you like, I like what I like.

Everything you mentioned about his videos that you think makes them the "worst", I love about them.

We're just different people.

[Stringer Bell]

I don't know how to break this to you but, you have nothing to do with making or breaking musical acts.. You have no clout in the industry so they really could give a shit about "proving" themselves to you.. I really don't think we care either..

Just a heads up, good buddy..

:yes:

Because that's what I said and all. My opinion means just as much as yours.. probably more :) Sorry Krisp.

And yeah, I've heard just about everything Lil Jon has done. He's not a rapper.

I'd stay away from Jeezy if I were you Seanny. You probably heard "Soul Survivor", and it's definitely a catchy tune, but that's mostly because of Akon. Once you start listening to what Jeezy's saying, the experience goes downhill from there :(

[Kris P. Lettus]

On topic: Blackalicious-The Craft and Damian Marley-Welcome to Jamrock are both f'n awesome..

[Stringer Bell]

Love that Blackalicious, haven't been able to get into Damien's album very much but I've read a lot of good reviews.

[Morrison]

The Craft = :yes:

[Adamy]

My opinion means just as much as yours.. probably more :)

Theoretically, yes.

Realisitically, :nono:.

[TRO]

Can you guys just knock it off? All these petty insults and thinly-veiled disses fly in the face of everything hip-hop is about...

[Adamy]

All these petty insults and thinly-veiled disses fly in the face of everything hip-hop is about...

:rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

I'd stay away from Jeezy if I were you Seanny. You probably heard "Soul Survivor", and it's definitely a catchy tune, but that's mostly because of Akon. Once you start listening to what Jeezy's saying, the experience goes downhill from there :(


Aye, that was the one unless he's done more with Akon.

Nice beat, alright flow.

Sometimes it feels fucking good to kick back and listen to some good old rap music without fear of persecution.

[Fro]

I. FUCKING. HATE. AKON. Any song he's on I can't stand listening to for a second. Anyone share this sentiment?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Shared.

[TapOut]

I. FUCKING. HATE. AKON. Any song he's on I can't stand listening to for a second. Anyone share this sentiment?

You know, I have that album Locked Up or whatever it was, and took two minutes to listen to it and have no clue why everyone was raving over this album, or him for that matter. I mean, I haven't heard enough of it to actually say 'he sucks' or 'he's allright', but I just can't get into it. Maybe one day I'll be in one of those moods where I listen to something I don't and actually start digging it (which has happened before), but for now.... Akon = eh.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I'll give him fucking lonely!

[TapOut]

I'll give him fucking lonely!

:lol:

I listen to the opening part... "Lonely.. I get lonely..." and then I turn it off. So far, I've only heard about six seconds of that song.

[Seanny One Ball]

Lonely is a fine wee ditty.

[Stringer Bell]

Akon is very catchy. He may not be the best song-writer, but there's no denying he has a catchy voice. His hook on "Soul Survivor" is nice. Maybe his distinct voice gets on some peoples nerves, but I think he's damn catchy.

[Stringer Bell]

Anyone else heard this new MOP, St. Marxmen? I remember reading about it, but I can't tell if it's supposed to be part 2 of their Marxmen mix tape, or if it's the Roc-A-Fella album that never got released. Anyway, it's damn good, that usual M.O.P. gangsta shit. Dunno about this "It Ain't Hard To Tell" track though, no sign of Fame or Billy :dunno:

[.invurzion.]

Akon's voice is just annoying as hell to me. I love "Soul Survivor" and his voice is just perfect for the hook. But, that bastard sounds like Shaggy on estrogen...

[QuietStorm]

The Akon tune on the Miri Ben Ari album is splendid.

[Simon]

My fucking God. Tried to delete all the bollocks that's gone on over the last couple of pages, but the server's being a dick still. In any case, I'm fed up with all this, and neither of you want to learn, so you can sit it out again.

Each time you come back from a ban and start it up again, the leeway I give you will get smaller and the bans will get longer. Really can't be arsed with you pair of gimps any more.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

AHAHAHA.

Go Simone, go Simone, go Simone.

But don't ban me for this.

OB, listened a bit to Das EFX, I like! I LIKE!

[Dan The Man]

At the risk of causing the world to explode or hell freezing over...

I like Simon's modding.

A lot of initial leeway to never really feel imposed upon, but once you finally get over the line, you find it's a wall. Lots of rope, but with a firmly tied noose on the end. I can definitely appreciate that.

[Hack]

Its all about The Mouse and the Mask you silly bitches.

I'm really digging it. I thought it would be too ... uh, I don't know, "cartoony." But it isn't. Its great.

[Judas Iscariot]

Never see Will attackin' 'em
Rather play ball with Shaq and 'em
FLATTEN 'EM

Uh uh

Gettin' jiggy wit it
Na na na na na na na
Na na na na na na
Gettin' jiggy wit it
Na na na na na na na
Na na na na na na

[Adamy]

The BARR album is fantastic.

[Stringer Bell]

What the fuck did I do now? Stated my opinion? I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion and Krispy wants to talk childish shit like usual, so I get banned too?

Fuck this forum.

[TapOut]

This forum kicks ass, though. Except the server it's on...

[Aussie_Outlaw]

What the fuck did I do now? Stated my opinion? I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion and Krispy wants to talk childish shit like usual, so I get banned too?

Fuck this forum.

Buck, seeing now I'm a mod, I'll try and keep an eye here and make sure you and Krispy don't go insane again. Krispy doesn't respect Simon one iota so he doesn't care what he says, but I've got some hope that he'll figure things out. Plus Simon isn't running a once horse listening room anymore :drevil:

I'll see what I can do around these parts to stop this continued abuse/banter/whatever between the two of you. I'll try and mediate something when Krispy returns in 3-4 days.

... Carry on....

[Adamy]

You mod the LR now?

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Adamy, I'm a supermod, I moderate everywhere. I jumped right over Simon. :)

[QuietStorm]

New Canibus/Phoenix Orion from the Cloak & Dagga album....


www.headtraumarecords.com

Right click & save.



Def Con Zero is coming out on October 25. Hip Hop For Sale still slated for November 22. Gonna be a huge month for the Nation of Bislam.

[Stringer Bell]

Buck, seeing now I'm a mod, I'll try and keep an eye here and make sure you and Krispy don't go insane again. Krispy doesn't respect Simon one iota so he doesn't care what he says, but I've got some hope that he'll figure things out. Plus Simon isn't running a once horse listening room anymore :drevil:

I'll see what I can do around these parts to stop this continued abuse/banter/whatever between the two of you. I'll try and mediate something when Krispy returns in 3-4 days.

... Carry on....

Sounds good I suppose, thanks.

"Reason for ban: None" I don't see why posting my opinion on things gets me banned, I'm not the one insulting people :dunno: You can say I'm whining about it, but I just think it's ridiculous to get banned because I'm discussing why I don't like a certain artist. That isn't allowed? It's not like I single Krispy out, if I don't like something, I don't like it. I'm not the only one who talks about what they don't like.

Anyway, thanks. I like posting around here, but when I'm getting banned for absurd stuff, it really makes me consider it.

On topic.. The new (or maybe not so new to some people, it's a month or so old I think) Busta f/ ODB song, "Where's Your Money", produced by Dre, is insanely dope. I'm not Busta's biggest fan, but he can always bring it nice when he wants. His single "Touch It" is damn catchy too.

I'm also, shamefully, digging this Pharrell f/ Gwen Stefani track, "Can I have It Like That?". P's a pretty pathetic MC, but the beat is nuts and it's damn catchy.. probably one of my favorite club/party tracks of the year.

Anyone heard that Wu Tang Meets Indie Culture yet? I downloaded it, it's pretty nice.. some tracks are very interesting. The RZA/MF Doom single, Sean Price/U-God/C-Ray Walz/Prodigal Sun, GZA/Ras Kass, and more. Then there's stuff like J Live/RA The Rugged Man and Aesop/Del.. not really sure how they're Wu-related, I'm guessing it's Wu family production or something. Still a dope underground album, I just would've liked to have seen spots from guys like Ghost and Rae. If anyone wants this, PM me.

[Fro]

I'm a bit behind the times but.... I recently downloaded some De La Soul albums for the first time. I got 3 Feet High & Rising and Stakes is High. Both freakin classics. So far I've been diggin Stakes more... rhymes and beats are both harder. Basically its just like People's Instinctive Travels compared to Midnight Marauders. I'm more a fan of the more modern sounding shit as opposed to the old school. Not to say I don't love both, though. Anyway, let's disregard the fact that I just now got on some De La and lemme ask this: What yall think of them and what other albums of theirs are necessities? Also, who you like better, them or A Tribe Called Quest?

[Stringer Bell]

Oh yes.. De La's the epitome of classic hip-hop. The albums you got are fantastic, De La Soul Is Dead is another one I have to recommend. Their newest album, The Grind Date, was really good too, one of my favorite records of 2004. I can't comment too much on Buhloon Mindstate.. I remember liking it and owning a copy, but I don't have it these days and haven't heard it in a long time. The Art Official Intelligence albums aren't bad, just mediocre compared to their other stuff. It was really nice to see them bring a damn-near classic with Grind Date.

Personally, I like Tribe better, but it's a close race. They're both really fun, up-beat groups, something hip-hop is seriously lacking these days. What I wouldn't give for a PROPER ATCQ reunion album. So anyway, yeah.. I gotta say ATCQ gets the edge, but I fucking love both groups.

[QuietStorm]

Def Con Zero tracklisting....

1. Gold Trigger
2. Defcon Zero
3. Mystical Mic Masters
4. Titans Clashing
5. Yall Can't Ball
6. Don't Hurt Nobody!
7. Letter From Head Trauma, A - (with Kool G. Rap)
8. HT Commandos
9. C & D OTP
10. Sit Ya' Hot Ass Down!
11. Covert Operation
12. High Rollin - (with Free)
13. U.S. (Universal Soldier)
14. Heaven & Hell Are Here
15. Rhythmatic Jujitsu
16. H.T.R.
17. Sundown Biz
18. Cloaked Man
19. BK All Day
20. Outro



It should be available October 25th at Best Buy and other major retail stores. Get it.

[Deka]

Hey girl, you make, my whistle, bLoW..

[QuietStorm]

I put this Sole compilation together myself. Took a bunch of tracks from Mansbestfriend Parts 2 and 3, a few tracks off Live From Rome, and one track off Selling Live Water. Sorry, no Bottle of Humans stuff. I tried to keep it to tracks he has made in the past few years. Enjoy if you want.


The Last Fisherman Left (http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=25X3F0YNSR6NX2LCX0LYIAOSCR)

[Stringer Bell]

Checking out that comp now QS, haven't heard much of Sole so hopefully this will be a nice introduction. The track "On Martyrdom" seems to be corrupt though :dunno:

[spanish announce table]

Jus Allah - All Fates Have Changed

1. This is for Y'all - Beat is kinda corny. He makes up for the crappy first verse with the last two. 3/5

2. Hell Razors feat Evil Dead - Jus sounds dope over the violin beat, but Evil Dead has a terrible voice/flow. 3.25/5

3. Supreme - Beat is ok, but Jus rhymes like he did in 1999 :yes: 3.5/5

4. Pool of Blood feat GZA - Jus' verse is rehashed from a previous JMT track, but its still a good one. GZA doesnt spit his best verse, but its still sharp. 4/5

5. Tomorrow - The guitar beat sounds so out of place. Jus is way too repetitive on this one. 2/5

6. Eyes of a Disciple feat Bomshot & Shabazz the Disciple - I really like the beat on this one. All 3 MC's come straight. 4/5

7. Trust Interlude - Decent Stoupe imitation. N/R

8. Important Shit feat Lord Jamar & Agallah - Terrible hook, bland beat. I havnt heard a lot from Brand Nubian or Jamar, but he doesnt sound right trying to rap like Jus. 2/5

9. Porno Flick Bitches feat Evil Dead - Digging the Inspectah Deck sample on the hook. Evil sounds better on this track than the last one, but Jus is on cruise control. 2.75/5

10. Cant Sleep - Jus' threats on VBD were intimidating, but he's dumbed down big time. "You fuckin fools, your probably failed pre-school". 2/5

11. Supreme Remix feat Cheif Kamachi & Bomshot - Sick track. Kamachi steals the show here. 4/5

12. G-O-D - This is Agallah's best contribution to the album. Jus' verses are blending into each other. 3/5

13. Betrayal Interlude - Another good Stoupe impersonation. N/R

14. Divide & Conquer - The last 5 tracks of the album are all previously released. This is the type of beat that should have been all over the album. 4/5

15. Reign of the Lord - Same opening verse as D&C. He sounds awkard over the slow beat. 2.5/5

16. Chess King - The beat and rhymes here should be all over the album. 4.5/5

17. White Nightmare - The verses are dope, and the beat pounds hard 3.75/5

18. Severed & Split feat Bomshot, T-Ruckus & Virtuoso - Love the beat here. Its a shame that the bonus tracks are better than the rest of the album. 4/5

Overall, this was a disappointment. Every verse has Jus talking about how he's God, how he doesnt care who he kills, how much blood he drinks, and how virtuous he is. That's pretty much the same subject matter as VBD, but he was much more creative with his words. 6.5/10

[QuietStorm]

Were you around when I told people not to get that? It sucks balls. And funny, I think Reign of the Lord is the nicest track on there.

[QuietStorm]

Supastition's Chain Letters is really kinda great.

[QuietStorm]

Hey look, a triple post....


Looks like I'll be going to the Cage show on November 15 in Ann Arbor. I actually got in a big argument with a couple girl (space) friends about whether it was appropriate to wear an Aesop Rock t-shirt to a Cage show. Is it really that bad to wear an artist or band tee to a show when they aren't performing, won't even be in the same state? I know I won't end up wearing my Ace shirt (just wanted to get a couple scenesters heated with posing the question), but it is kinda stupid that people give a shit about things like that. I'm not a Stan, I'm not a groupie. I just buy the albums and promote where I can. Things like that are generally why I say screw fashion. And also, screw golf etiquette.

[Dan The Man]

I'm pretty sure the only rule is to never wear a shirt from the artist who is performing.

Lest we forget the lessons of PCU.

[QuietStorm]

That is the argument I stuck with.

[Stringer Bell]

Haha, PCU's great. Piven's the man.

I'm seeing Cage on December 8th in Richmond.. can't fucking wait.

Also, The Perceptionists are coming to my town (Charlottesville) in November. Should be very good.

[Adamy]

Killa Cam got shot! :cry:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1512067/10232005/cam_ron.jhtml?headlines=true

[Dan The Man]

Who would have thought that driving a blue Lambo in DC at 2am wouldn't be safe?

[QuietStorm]

Canibus - Chaos Remix (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28AFF5LY6XP0O04ENS4FEWAZN0)

My favorite Omnious remix of Chaos, done to Kno's Falling Down beat.

Def Con Zero is out tomorrow. It will have a bunch of special features like interviews, videos for the songs, and bonus tracks. Right now Tower, Amazon and Best Buy are describing Def Con as a CD, but it is actually a 2 disc package: The CD, plus the DVD.

[Stringer Bell]

I'll need to check out that Def Con Zero, still haven't heard it. What'd you think of the Circle of Tyrants LP?

[QuietStorm]

It hasn't leaked yet.


I don't really like Necro and crew very much.

[Dan The Man]

"Meatwad make the money, see/ Meatwad get the honeys, G." Well, that rap is by Schooly D, not MF Doom, but if Doom has his way, he'll be actually voicing Cartoon Network characters, not just rapping about them, on the next album from Danger Doom, the MC's collaboration with DJ Danger Mouse. Danger Doom's debut album, The Mouse and the Mask, debuted at number 41 on the Billboard 200 last week.

Speaking to Billboard.com, Doom said, "I wanted to do that with this album. I started to do some characters after I got the standard songs out of the way, but then [the label] said they needed all the songs in. On the next album, though, I'm doing some characters. I have enough beats from Danger to do half an album already."

Doom is known for creating all sorts of characters, but the idea of a whole album of the rapper hatin' on Meatwad via Shake could be an Adult Swim fan's wet dream. Ew, just the thought of that is really gross.

Doom and Danger Mouse would like to support The Mouse and the Mask with a 2006 tour, but plans are still quite up in the air. Doom hopes they can have Adult Swim characters on stage and in costume. He told Billboard, "I haven't met the human beings behind these voices, so to me, it's still just Meatwad. Everyone should be in costume. If I'm going to have them on the record, I have to have them on the tour." The Smokin' Grooves tour meets Disney on Ice? Start hoarding LSD now.

Doom is also set to voice a character on a Cartoon Network show called "Perfect Hair Forever". He says, "I play a giraffe [whose] name is Sherman. He's Sherman from New York." Meatballs, giraffes, cups, metal faces-- dude's crazy. He also must be snorting Red Bull, what with all the projects he's got in the works.

Doom recently told Pitchfork that a follow-up to 2004's Madlib collaboration Madvillainy is cooking, as are MF Doom and Viktor Vaughn solo joints and, surprisingly, another album with his old school agit-rap group K.M.D. Doom produced a few tracks on the forthcoming Ghostface record Fish Scale, and the pair are in the process of completing a full-length collaboration. He's also in talks with super-producer Just Blaze.

Oh is that all? What, he can't find the time to cure cancer and bring peace to the Middle East too? Lazy fucker.

[Stringer Bell]

You sure about that QS? I'm pretty sure I have it.. just haven't listened to it yet. It leaked recently.

That Doom news is awesome. New Madvillain and solo stuff, a new KMD record. Tracks on the Ghost album which will be amazing, and in talks with Just Blaze? :eek:

[QuietStorm]

I'm pretty sure today is the first day it hit the net. It's on iTunes apparently but I haven't been able to get my hands on it. I won't be able to drive to the Best Buy in Midland until Thursday or Friday.


Yeah, that's right. We don't have a Best Buy in Mount Pleasant. :mad:


Edit: K nevermind, listening on iTunes right now. Snippets sound alright.

[Stringer Bell]

I dunno bro, I've had it since the 23rd. I'm really liking the beats.

[QuietStorm]

All I know is that no one on C-C had this before today. It's kinda weird you'd have it before them.

Most of the beats suck. Canibus is the only thing holding this album up. Phoenix Orion is shit. But almost all Bis verses flow like water. Rhythmatic Jiu Jitsu is clearly the best track and it's no mistake that Phoenix Orion isn't on it.


Edit: SOME of the beats suck would be more accurate, there are a few tracks with great production.

[TRO]

"I play a giraffe [whose] name is Sherman"

:lol:

[QuietStorm]

Def Con Zero is actually quite a great album the more I listen to it. Canibus is as cocky as ever, for good reason.


G.O.A.T ;)

[Adamy]

Damian Marley-Welcome to Jamrock

Some of the songs are fantastic, but most are pretty average in my opinion...

On the whole it's a solid album but I wouldn't recommend anyone pay the $14 for it.

[Fro]

Made two purhcases today: DJ Muggs vs. GZA and Danger Doom. Only listened to the first 8 tracks of GZA, but its dope as hell. Really solid production and as always GZA is on point. Danger Doom I've had for like 4 months already, but I couldn't find a version that didn't have fuckin skips all the way through it. So I decided to just shell out 11 bucks and buy it.

[QuietStorm]

Did Gza actually wake up then? Incredible.

[Suno]

Did Gza actually wake up then? Incredible.

:lol:, funny, cos he's always been better than Canibitch!:p

[Fro]

Whatup with that Hip Hop Violinist album? Good?

[QuietStorm]

Very good, some of the tracks deserve better guest appearances but she is a maniac on the strings. I recommend it.

[spanish announce table]

Dreddy Kruger presents Think Differently Music: Wu-Tang meets the Indie Culture

1. Intro - This album lacked Wu appearances. Raekwon and Outerspace would have sounded good over this beat.

2. Lyrical Swords - Ras Kass outshines GZA here. Awesome hearing these two together on the same track. 8.5/10

3. Slow Blues - Timbo King and Vast Aire have the best verses here. Prodigal Sunn and Byata do decent jobs. 7.5/10

4. Still Grimey - Solid performances by everyone, but Sean Price takes it. The chorus sucks, but everything else is solid. 7/10

5. Bruce Lee Interlude

6. Think Differently - Tragedy Khadafi and Rock Marciano have awesome verses. Vordul Mega is pretty good here, but I'm not really feeling Casual. Sick beat by Bronze Nazareth. 9/10

7. Jim Jarmusch Interlude

8. Biochemical Equation - I like the beat, and RZA's first verse is dope, but MF Doom sounds out of place. RZA's second verse is unneeded. 8/10

9. ODB Tribute - Beautifully done.

10. Fragments - If you dig Del, you'll like this one. 7/10

11. Intermission - Another instrumental. Keeping with the Wu/Indie theme, Cormega and Baretta 9 would have sounded good over this one.

12. Street Corners - Solomons Child has the best verse, but Bronze and Byata hold their own. 8.5/10

13. Listen - Khalid sounds like a Jay-Z knock off, but Planet Asia and Littles are on top of their games. 8.5/10

14. Jim Jarmusch Interlude - Incredible beat. I would have liked to here Masta Killa, Killah Priest and Royce on this track.

15. Verses - GZA and Ras Kass on a track once again. :yes: GZA takes this one. La the Darkman and Sun Large are more than serviceable here. 10/10

16. Preservation - Del and Aesop are very different, but they make this one work. 8/10

17. Cars on the Interstate - CCF Division sucks. RZA is only messing with these guys because they're Papa Wu's sons. Not one of Allah Math's best beats either. 6/10

18. Give it Up - Rugged Man's flow is nuts here. J-Live compliments him nicely. 7.5/10

19. Black Dawn - Bronze Nazareth solo. Good choice for the closing track. 8/10

Overall 8/10. If there is a sequel, there needs to be more prominent Wu members (Masta Killa, Ghost, StreetLife, Killah Priest, etc) and a few more high profile underground MC's (Canibus, Royce, Non Phixion etc.)

[TapOut]

Say what you will about LL Cool J, but his performance on BET's "25 Years" special was OFF THE ROCKER. It was amazing.

I'm still in the middle of the show, but it's looked fantastic so far. R. Kelly's performing, so that's a plus, and Earth Wind and Fire opened up, so that's another huge plus.

*Kells was good tonight as well. He more than redeemed himself for the VMA performance. Tonight, he sung a lot of his hits, all live, and did spot-on performances of "Down Low", "Your Body's Callin" and "Bump and Grind". He did some good other hits too.

[Stringer Bell]

Anyone who disses LL is a straight-up fool. He hasn't put out a consistently dope album in almost ten years, but he's still a bonafide legend. LL did more for this game than people will ever give him credit for. Before "I Need Love", rappers thought it'd make them look soft to do songs for the ladies... now look at the rap game today. And that's not even the beginning of what LL contributed... his first few albums were straight-up classics. Throw on some old school LL to this day and you're guarenteed a fun listen. "The Boomin System" is my jam.



What does everyone think about Jay squashing the Nas beef at the "I Declare War" concert? I think it's dope, it's about time those two put that shit behind them and moved on with business, make some fuckin' money together. It seemed like Nas was never gonna let it go, but now that the time has come, I'm pretty thrilled. I would've loved to have seen Jay rock "Dead Presidents" with Nas on the hook.. can you imagine that?? The track that led to one of the illest diss lines ever ("You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song"), rocked by both guy's together. The people at that concert witnessed history.

They HAVE to do a song (or fuck it, make that an album) together... you talk about hip-hop history in the making... if Jay and Nas got together for an LP with a thorough line-up of producers, we'd be in store for one of the greatest collabo albums ever. Fuck, I can't even imagine a whole CD of Nas and Jay rocking back and forth on each track, with producers like Kanye, Just Blaze, Alchemist, The Neptunes, and the hoards of other producers they would have between the two of them. I really hope something comes of this.

[TapOut]

What does everyone think about Jay squashing the Nas beef at the "I Declare War" concert? I think it's dope, it's about time those two put that shit behind them and moved on with business, make some fuckin' money together.

Amen.

At least when Jay and Nas had beef with each other, it actually led to some decent rhymes. I say the timing for these two putting the petty beef to the side couldn't have come at a better time.

Now, when Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Fat Joe, G-Unit, The Game, etc. start slinging this stupid shit at each other, people can consider their beefs as even bigger jokes and say to themselves "Pfft, Nas and Hove put their shit to the side, these fools need to heed that advice..."

And as for them maybe collabing, I know Jay probably isn't planning on another solo in the future anytime soon, but something tells me he'll do a collab album with Nas, or if not, appear on at least one of his songs. Talk about The Best of Both Worlds.....

[jesus sucks]

it's just a shame nas and jay-z are both a bit rubbish now.

street's disciple was the worst album i ever bought, so bad i actually threw it in the garbage. rather than keep it for the collection. and the black album, that was ok actually. but really didn't like his flow much on it. i only ever really listen to four songs on that. December 4th, 99 Problems, Justify My Thug, and Allure.

[Inter Minan]

Streets Disciple could have made a superb single album. But instead it gets ruined by going to 2 discs. You could easily take 5 songs of each disc and make a 4* album.

[Suno]

it's just a shame nas and jay-z are both a bit rubbish now.

street's disciple was the worst album i ever bought, so bad i actually threw it in the garbage. rather than keep it for the collection. and the black album, that was ok actually. but really didn't like his flow much on it. i only ever really listen to four songs on that. December 4th, 99 Problems, Justify My Thug, and Allure.

yeh, but you're a bit thick, so just button it.

[jesus sucks]

shush. you nike hoodied and shiny tracksuit bottomed cretin. (...from brixton who supports manchester united).

[Stringer Bell]

Jay-Z and Nas.. rubbish now? Hardly.

[Suno]

shush. you nike hoodied and shiny tracksuit bottomed cretin. (...from brixton who supports manchester united).


ahhhh, this misinformed little shit stane having the audacity to call me a cretin. pure jokes if you ask me, now get back to stealing rags off other peoples washing lines you grubby scouse fuck.

[TRO]

Streets Disciple could have made a superb single album. But instead it gets ruined by going to 2 discs. You could easily take 5 songs of each disc and make a 4* album.

I agree, and in fact I ditched all the shitty tracks and made a single disc, and it was a lot better than the original. I don't know what Nas was thinking with that one.

[Adamy]

Jay-Z and Nas.. rubbish now? Hardly.

All the post-"retirement" Jay guest spots I've heard have been sub-par at best.

[Fro]

Dear Summer was dope as hell.

[Stringer Bell]

I guess you didn't hear his verse on Young Jeezy's "Go Crazy", it was ridiculous. How many more has he done.. like 3? Not everything he does is going to be amazing, especially guest spots. Like Fro said, "Dear Summer" was great.

Anyway, The Black Album is what was being criticized. That was a very, very thorough LP.

[TapOut]

I don't know, I thought is guest spot on Kanye's Diamonds remix was pretty sweet, especially how he opened his line...

[Adamy]

I guess you didn't hear his verse on Young Jeezy's "Go Crazy", it was ridiculous. How many more has he done.. like 3? Not everything he does is going to be amazing, especially guest spots. Like Fro said, "Dear Summer" was great.

Anyway, The Black Album is what was being criticized. That was a very, very thorough LP.

I heard "Go Crazy," and I think it's more that he's being paired with Young Jeezy.

I mean, I like Jeez, but he really has nothing to say.

[QuietStorm]

Jay-z has little to say either.

[Tom Bombadil]

I just got my first CD in 5 years i cannot wait to get home and listen to DANGERDOOM

[jesus sucks]

ahhhh, this misinformed little shit stane having the audacity to call me a cretin. pure jokes if you ask me, now get back to stealing rags off other peoples washing lines you grubby scouse fuck.

you spelled stain wrong you cockney tower block scumbag.

[son_of_foley]

I don't know, I thought is guest spot on Kanye's Diamonds remix was pretty sweet, especially how he opened his line...
amen to that

the remix of drop it like its hot was awesome as well

would love to hear young buck and jay-z go at it.

[Stringer Bell]

Jay-Z's the man. He runs the mainstream game. Adamy, are you seriously saying Young Jeezy is the reason that song is good? Actually, I'm not sure what exactly you meant.

Young Buck?? :wtf: He wouldn't last a nano-second with Jay.

This Sheek Louch album leaked.. nothing mind-blowing, but it's pretty damn gangster. Nice 50 diss track, plus some dope guest spots from Redman and Ghostface.

I'm stuck on Muggs and GZA's collab album right now. So sick.

[Stringer Bell]

Top 20 LP's of the year so far ya'll?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AA4LJG.01._PE6_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0006ZQ9BS.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000B9EYDY.01._PE14_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AMJDDI.01._PE7_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AGTQ54.01._PE22_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000A9QKCS.01._PE12_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007VZ92G.01._PE22_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009FGWIK.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CC4VD.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AMU0UI.01._PE12_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009OL91Q.01._PE12_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://www.undergroundhiphop.com/store/covers/DCN29CD.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009WPKY0.01._PE21_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/0b/7a/24a5d250fca0ac2810927010.L.jpghttp://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000BITTIA.01._PE7_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009NSCVW.01._PE12_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AV620Q.01._PE22_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AE8FZ8.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000A7Q1QK.01._PE7_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/c7/49/b58b4310fca0371f84107010.M.jpg

And there you have it... I'm sure there's a few albums I forgot, and there's still some stuff I haven't heard enough, or at all. Slum Village's album is sounding good so far, and Fat Joe, Jim Jones, and Gorillaz all put out decent albums I thought. But yeah... don't take this too seriously, cause by the end of '05 it will probably be changed up a bit.

Funny, a huge chunk of those albums, damn near all of them actually, dropped in the second half of the year. The beginning of this year was junk besides a few albums.

And yeah.. I know I've hated on Game before, but I always loved the production on his album. Possibly the best production on any album in 2005.

[QuietStorm]

I don't even know if I've listened to 20 LP's this year.


http://www.fatbeats.com/catalog/catalog_product_images/.products_image.BBG-SI-220.jpeg



Hip Hop For Sale. 17 days.

Caesar Germanicus. Early 2006.

[Adamy]

Jay-Z's the man. He runs the mainstream game. Adamy, are you seriously saying Young Jeezy is the reason that song is good? Actually, I'm not sure what exactly you meant.

No, I mean, if you take a guy like Jay-Z, and put him next to someone like Jeezy that isn't a good rapper, he'll look better by comparison.

[Stringer Bell]

:yes:

But there's no arguing Jay's skills.

[QuietStorm]

Listening to a Jay-z album is like enrolling in Boring 101.

[TRO]

I have a masters in boring, bitch.

[TapOut]

Listening to a Jay-z album is like enrolling in Boring 101.

No way. If you don't like his album material, then surely some of his more poppy, radio friendly stuff will hook you. Change Clothes and Girls, Girls, Girls were both fantastic. Especially Girls...

[spanish announce table]

I don't even know if I've listened to 20 LP's this year.


http://www.fatbeats.com/catalog/catalog_product_images/.products_image.BBG-SI-220.jpeg



Hip Hop For Sale. 17 days.

Caesar Germanicus. Early 2006.


Judging by that cover, Hip Hop 4 Sale is the same as Vitruvian Man?

Fucking hell, I've gone to 3 malls and 7 different stores, and nobody has any copies of Grandmasters. I had to order one which they said would take "quite a while". Must refrain from downloading.

[QuietStorm]

Nottz mangled the chorus of It's No Other Than. It sounded a lot better on TVM. Apparently a lot of the production has been switched up, but it looks as though the only new Bis material is found on Def Con Zero.

Caesar Germanicus appears to be an RTJ2-type album, by early indications.


www.canibus.ws

[Stringer Bell]

I honestly can't say I'm digging the "It's No Other Than" single, and what's the deal with the album cover/promo photos, not the one you posted but the Hummer/G-Unit outfit pics? :(

[Stringer Bell]

Slum Village's new album is sounding really good so far. "Giant" and "05" are my favorite tracks of the moment.

[QuietStorm]

I honestly can't say I'm digging the "It's No Other Than" single, and what's the deal with the album cover/promo photos, not the one you posted but the Hummer/G-Unit outfit pics? :(
Who gives a fuck what he is doing. He is selling out, bitches. It's great.

[Stringer Bell]

I'm just saying, 'Bus has always been an underground staple. He seemed to really be content with his postion. Underground heads have widely regarded him as one of the greatest lyricists ever for years now. I just don't see why it's taken him 6 albums to decide to shoot for commercial appeal. I never thought I'd see Canibus rocking a G-Unit top (come on, G-Unit?), standing in front of a Hummer.. but I guess times have changed. I really shouldn't be judging the album yet, cause I've only heard some of the stuff, but it does seem like he is dumbing down his lyrics considerably. I still need to hear that Def Con Zeo though, you've given it a lot of praise.

Sleeper album of the year (one of many of course) - DJ Quik Trauma.. I haven't heard much talk about this album at all, and I don't even think there's a video out, which is strange because there's several catchy/radio sounding joints. Quik brought is classic G-funk style here, I really dig this LP. I'm not the biggest fan of TI or The Game, but both of their cameos are enjoyable on here. Besides them, he's got Nate Dogg, AMG, Chingy (ugh, the one bad choice), Wyclef, Ludacris, and Jodeci. Check this album out, you won't be disappointed if you like Quik or left coast stuff.

[Deka]

It's Paul Wall, baby. Yeah, that's me.

These hos wanna know what I'm bout.

Biggest diamonds up on my neck and on my wrist and in my mouth.

Doors open. Door close. Flash the cameras, I'll strike a pose.

I'm still ridin' on elbows, with '83 and '8fos.

[Adamy]

And that don't make no sense, but you know I'm the shit.

[Stringer Bell]

New unreleased Eminem track from his upcoming greatest hits CD.. it's a radio rip, so the quality isn't great, but it's definitely listenable. I thought Encore was horrible minus a handful of tracks, but this is suprisingly decent. Serious/focused Em >>>> Comedy Em if you ask me. Em used to do some funny shit, but the stuff on Encore was just childish.

Eminem - "When I'm Gone" (radio rip) (http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05AM97XZDT7CJ10SC2RAIDYA3U)

[The Champagne]

^^ I'll listen to Paul Wall over Eminem anyday.


It's Paul Wall, baby. Yeah, that's me.

These hos wanna know what I'm bout.

Biggest diamonds up on my neck and on my wrist and in my mouth.

Doors open. Door close. Flash the cameras, I'll strike a pose.

I'm still ridin' on elbows, with '83 and '8fos.

[Stringer Bell]

Eminem's pretty much shit these days, but his worst songs are better than Wall's discography if you ask me.

[Dan The Man]

Rap Snacks: The Official Snack of Hip-Hop (http://www.rapsnacks.com/home.htm)

Finally we know the answer to the question "If Dirt McGirt was a potato chip, what flavor would he be?"

http://www.rapsnacks.com/snack_pics/sourcream.gif

[Deka]

Nelly looks so stupid with that grill in his mouth. He looks like a retard. And the thing is, it's so blatant, you'd think he, himself would notice this. Then again, he probably does, but he probably paid so much money for that thing that he figures he better wear the shit.

[Stringer Bell]

Nelly > Paul Wall ;)

[Adamy]

At least Paul Wall made his grill himself. Nelly probably got his out of the back pages of XXL.

[Adamy]

Consequence feat. Mike Jones - "Been Robbed" (http://homepage.mac.com/mperpetua/.Public/consequence_beenrobbed.mp3) is a fucking jam and a half.

[Tom Bombadil]

It's been a while since i heard Take me too your leader, and it's such a immense album.

[TapOut]

Nelly looks so stupid with that grill in his mouth. He looks like a retard. And the thing is, it's so blatant, you'd think he, himself would notice this. Then again, he probably does, but he probably paid so much money for that thing that he figures he better wear the shit.

Haha, yeah, that blue grill looks exceptionally craptacular. The song is merely ok, nice little banger for the car, but that blue grill has to go. I thought it was some sort of retainer or something when I first saw him with that in his mouth. Personally, I think all grills are stupid and ignorant looking. I've never understood why it's cool to have yourself look like a bucktoothed horse for the sake of a few diamonds.

[son_of_foley]

Eminem has gone off the boil i think. HIs comedy stuff is so lame at the minute or have i just grown up. To me its been since 8 mile he has just dropped down so much.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Eminem's pretty much been shit.. Encore was a really mediocre release, with too much lame, childish comedy, like you said. To be fair though, he really hasn't put out any stuff like that since last year, and his new song that I posted a page or two back is on a serious tip.

[TapOut]

Looking foward to hearing the second brand new track from Curtain Call. Wish they'd put out a tracklisting and leak that other song so I could get the album.

That new Young Buck album T.I.P. is sounding real nice right now too. Downloaded that last week and forgot to comment.

[son_of_foley]

Love young buck <----

sorry im the kind of rap fan most people dislike as i think buck is the shit. That remix of jesus walks is awesome

[Stringer Bell]

Buck's definitely not my favorite.. my username has nothing to do with him :p

His debut on G-Unit had some hard songs, I just think a really weak rapper. I haven't heard this T.I.P. yet.. it's old material, right?

[TapOut]

Yeah. I don't know if it was pre-G-Unit or if it's just stuff from the cutting room floor, but I like it. Especially if this is stuff he came up with before G-Unit.

[Simon]

New Biggie and Jay Z single, Whatchu Want...delicious stuff.

[TapOut]

New Biggie and Jay Z single, Whatchu Want...delicious stuff.

Is this off that Biggie Duets album? I need to get this....

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, Jay-Z killed that song. Definitely my favorite song that's leaked yet..

Also, there's new tracks from the album with Luda/Snoop and Eminem/Obie that have leaked.

[Deka]

Personally, I think all grills are stupid and ignorant looking. I've never understood why it's cool to have yourself look like a bucktoothed horse for the sake of a few diamonds.

I only partially agree with you. I think the "full grills" look stupid. The one's that cover the top and bottom of the person's mouth. Especially, gold grills, because it makes it look like the person's teeth are buttery as hell.

Now, what I do like is the bottom-only look. When a person only gets the bottom-half of their mouth iced-out. I have a friend that has his bottom grill set in all gold. It looks real nice. Platinum bottoms aren't that bad looking either. If I had to get a grill, that's what I'd get (all platinum at the bottom).

[Adamy]

Is it me, or does every Mr. Collipark beat sound the same?

[Kris P. Lettus]

All I listen too now is UGK, just to let yall know..

[Suno]

I GOTA POCKET FULL O STONES!!!!

UGK and Eightball & MJG, probably my two favourite southern artists. :yes:

[Hack]

I've been listening to Quasimoto's The Unseen a lot lately and, man, Madlib is one strange motherfucker. Its great stuff, though, there's no question.

I need to get people to start calling me Loop Digger ...

[Dan The Man]

Now I ain't calling you Loop Digger...

[Deka]

Ludacris and Paul Wall...my two favorite southern artists.

[Stringer Bell]

Quasimoto's some fun stuff to listen too. A little goofy, but it's some nice, sit back and smoke some herb music. I only have The Further Adventures though. Madlib's probably the most underrated producer in the game. He gets his underground respect, but that's where it stops.

Luda is the man, one of the nicest lyricists in the south these days if you ask me. He's especially dope on guest appearances, it seems.

[Kris P. Lettus]

She steals my moneeeeeey,
She smokes my weeeeeeeeed,
yeah, she's a coke sniffer.."

[Stringer Bell]

Juelz Santana's "Fat Bitch" was a pretty funny freestyle over that.

Now I ain't sayin' a fat bitch
But she's weighing more than average
And she ain't turnin' down no sandwich
Eat on girl, go head, eat on..

[QuietStorm]

A Piece of Strange is out now. Cunninlynguists are my Southern favorites and this album is a solid follow-up to Southernunderground, though a lot more serious.

Kno is just about the most well-rounded producer doing his thing these days.

[TapOut]

I GOTA POCKET FULL O STONES!!!!

UGK and Eightball & MJG, probably my two favourite southern artists. :yes:

I can't remember exactly, but I believe there's a cut on the Get Rich or Die Tryin' movie soundtrack that's fantastic from them.

[Deka]

I just got through listening to Juelz Santana's "From Me To U" album after having it sitting in the car for months and having not listened to it for a long while. That thing still bangs heavy and Juelz really murdered alot the tracks on that album. There are some "Dipset-esque" crazy beats on it. That "Down" track is crazy and so is the "How I Feel" track, even though it's super-short. The "My Love" track is a hot instrumental and Juelz's lines are nice, but, I personally like the remix with Freeway much better. Also, "Santana's Town" starts off tight, but it quickly gets lame, to me. I loved the song back when it first came out, but it's just kinda weak now. I wish "The Dipset Anthem" was in place of that song, the Anthem still gets my neck bobbing.

All my comments on this album are probably biased, because, well...I'm a huge Juelz Santana fan. He's actually one my favorite rappers, outside of Daddy Yankee, Don Omar, and of course Luda and my current infactuation with Paul Wall.

Here's a list of my favorite rappers, ever, in no particular order:

1. Snoop Doggy Dogg
2. Daddy Yankee
3. Don Omar
4. Juelz Santana
5. Ludacris
6. Tego Calderon
7. 50 Cent
8. Llyod Banks
9. Paul Wall
10. Pharrell

[son_of_foley]

love mic check 1-2.

Can't wait for this pharell album hitting uk. I heard u.k exclusives being included just hope he finally works with dizzee

[Stringer Bell]

Juelz Santana's new album is actually suprisingly decent, I found myself enjoying a few songs. He's your #4 favorite rapper ever but you're just now listening to his debut from 2003? :p

UGK isn't on the GRODT soundtrack.

[Simon]

Read what he said, he's just going back to listening to it again.

[Simon]

Also, Guru was playing my local student union bar the other night, it's a tiny little place, maybe 200 people tops. Apparently it didn't even sell out...what the fuck is that about, when he played in London with Premo I couldn't get tickets even though the Astoria holds thousands.

Pharell is at the same place in a few weeks, again only 200 people can be there...fuck knows how they manage to book these acts. Weird thing is, he's not even high up on the bill - behind a few drum and bass artists that aren't particularly well known.

[Seanny One Ball]

All designed to keep cocky artists in their place, booyah.

[Simon]

Can't hold a black man down.

[Suno]

behind a few drum and bass artists that aren't particularly well known.

who?

[Stringer Bell]

Some new stuff for ya'll fools..

50 Cent - Bulletproof The Game Soundtrack (http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PVOV31RMZ4EM04RWS28SB1MIR) (zip password = thisis50)

The Game - "120 Bars" (Final G-Unit Diss, Brand New) (http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0D2ZJ26TGTHKY1SHLAE6MVWYLB)

Lil Wayne - Tha Carter Part 2 (http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=7ab96d9880836bca2b956588)

[Fro]

That 120 Bars is dope. Lyrically better than 300 Bars. Love the part where he goes through all the rappers he's cool with.

[QuietStorm]

Back for the music, back to do exclusives, back to change the view of hip hop from all that bullshit....


Hip Hop For Sale, kids.

[QuietStorm]

Oh right, I forgot. The mixtape is out too, 26 tracks on that bad boy. Some new, some old.



Niggas runnin' around like, what did he say?/
all day, everyday, what did he say?/
everybody wanna know, what did you say? (you say?)/

Yo, (yeah) I don't wanna waste no lyrics talkin' bout you/
just let my body die and rot in hell why don't you/
you ask the same question I already told you/
I'm a lyricist, I do what I'm supposed to do/
you ever wonder what hip-hip would have been without me?/
I'm six albums deep, somebody is thinkin' bout me/
whether it's good or bad yo I can't control it/
a nigga's opinion belongs to him, I can't own it/
a microphone is where my own way of doing things/
all my rhymes really do is provoke you to think/
people don't care about your passion when they comin' at you/
all they ever see is record sales and dollar value/
what the fuck does it matter what I'm rappin' to?/
I could rhyme accapella and attract the youth/
if you wanna compromise we can do that too/
but I ain't never in the mood to drink no wack juice/
the bottom line is I need a bigger budget/
advertisin' is how you program the public/
people don't have to understand to love somethin'/
as long as they see it enough they just trust it/
that's why I'm like fuck it/
I might as well do what I do best/
and that's rip a microphone to shreds/
even the best confess, at some point in their life they said/
that I'm the illest, but now they want you to forget/
so I accept the bitter with the sweet/
mix it with some heat, show 'em how to emcee and spit it to a beat/
I could do it in my sleep nigga/
if I'm awake how the fuck you gunna compete nigga?/
the nerve of these niggas, I move like my shadow is weightless/
expose myself like a faceless plastic surgery patient/
transmittin' from an undisclosed location/
pirate stations with phantom frequency modulations/
my throat pistol spit ghost signals/
and you never get the antidote from me cuz I bit you/
stab you with a jagged crystal/
cuz my energy emit through, anything metallic, even a pencil/
feel the bush burn, turn your corn rows to a good perm/
my flat feet with no curves squish worms/
the bad news is I got a tight flow/
the good news is I just switched to Geico/
this is hip-hop nigga/
listen to the force that go drip-drop nigga/
swimmers in my saliva river drown when I give it to 'em/
the hemispheres of my brain got a river through it, gray matter fluid/
the mic is a spark plug/
when I grab it I glow, come with the edelbrock carburetor flow/
when I yoak back the choke full throttle and go for broke/
I become a goat ripper on a positive note/
the width of my rap, too thick to fit through the gap/
the viscosity of my spit lubricates the track/
touch the fat-lipped screen, illuminate the map/
show me where you at, show me how you plan to get back/
my navigation better then yours/
and even though you the best, hip-hop is MY house, you still MY guest/
want more?, I give you less/
you want less, I'll give you more till you swimmin' in it up to your neck/
listen to the words bouncin' off the lungs of my chest/
hittin' you from every angle like porno sex/
still here cuz the lord knows best/
last thing he said to me was "let 'em know Bis"/
I'ma let 'em know this/
nobody contends with Canibus/
when it comes to rhymes everybody pales in comparison (word)/
nobody compares to Canibus/
hip-hop is yeng, Canibus is yang to balance it/

Niggas runnin' around like, what did he say?/
all day, everyday, what did he say?/
everybody wanna know, what did you say? (you say?) (yeah)/

[Stringer Bell]

What's that mixtape? Hip-hop For Sale is pretty good.. Nottz could've came better though. Good beats, but I dunno.. I wasn't sweating them that hard. 'Bus needs Stoupe again!

[Stringer Bell]

Neg rep from my fan club :heart:

[Automaticchaos]

saw this on torrentspy and wasn't 100% sure if it was legit or not.

Here is the track listing.
Filename File Size
00 - 2005 - Dr Dre - Look Out For Detox.m3u 1000 B
01 Dr Dre - Here We Go Again (ft. The Game).mp3 3.08 M
02 Dr Dre - There They Go (ft. Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg & Melloe Won).mp3 3.99 M
03 Dr Dre - Take The Heat (ft. Method Man).mp3 4.61 M
04 Dr Dre - We Up To No Good (ft. Busta Rhymes).mp3 3.83 M
05 Dr Dre - Gorilla Pimpin (ft. 6 Two).mp3 6.89 M
06 Dr Dre - Hard Liquor (ft. The Game).mp3 5.4 M
07 Dr Dre - Not Today (ft. Mary J Blige & Eve).mp3 5.81 M
08 Dr Dre - Push Play (ft. Truth Hurts).mp3 2.38 M
09 Dr Dre - Judgement Day (ft. 6 Two & The D.O.C.).mp3 5.43 M
10 Dr Dre - Its You I Adore (Sunshine).mp3 8.4 M
11 Dr Dre - Finger Thangzzz (ft. 40 Glocc & L.V.).mp3 3.24 M
12 Dr Dre - Da Kron (ft. King T).mp3 4.09 M
13 Dr Dre - Where Im From (Original Version) (ft. The Game & Nate Dogg).mp3 4.65 M
14 Dr Dre - Its A Shame (ft. Devin The Dude & Phoo Bear).mp3

I was or am skeptical because none of his "new" songs feature eminem and I thought for sure they would....Can anyone comfirm if this is the real thing or not for me?

[TRO]

Didn't Eminem "retire"?

[Stringer Bell]

It's a mixtape.. "Look Out for Detox". Mostly all of those songs from that mixtape have been out, some are older than others.

Em still does guest verses, from what I know. Similar to Jay. And he'll be back for another album, too.

[Deka]

Huh..
Slim Thugga.
I got drink by the pint.
Dro by the pound.
Headed to the club in the boss top down.
Slim Thugga bouta' clown when I hit that G-Town.
If you love me, you gon' smile.
If you hate me, you gon' frown.
Cuz me and my Boss Hoggs in the big L-Dog.
Glass closed, pulling hoes, up and down the C-Wall.
Ridin' clean, on the scene, with a Cutless on lean.
Candy green, color screens, when I swing...when I swing.
Fuck a cop.
Cuz if I see a bop, Ima stop.
And if the bitch qualify, she can hop in my drop.
But a bitch can't talk us, if she wasn't fuckin'.
You need to be 'bout it or look and keep truckin'.
That's my clique's moto when we up in the place.
We don't want no pussy, we wanna fuck some face.
Run trains on yo brain. We throwed in the game.
Let me see ya tounge rang. Don't show no shame.
Yo girl thinkin' she sweet. Not this week.
We gon take yo bitch and make yo bitch a freak.
Put that ho under my sheets, let her eat my meat.
She gettin' dick in my Jeep while you out in the streets.
Now that's deep.
We gettin' licked, we doin' tricks.
Got bitches suckin' dick on some porno flicks.
I don't smoke no sticks but I smoke the sticky green.
From my mouth to my ring all you see is Bling Bling.
Money ain't a thing.
But Slim Thug gon' flow.
Don't believe me? Come see me at the next local show.
I'm the young flow pro. Sippin' on some mo' mo'.
Tippin' on some fo' fo's. Rippin' on ya'll young hos.
That's fo sho.
This week, I can't take no losses.
It's Slim Thug and the Boss, puttin' it down with the House.
Huh..

[Automaticchaos]

It's a mixtape.. "Look Out for Detox". Mostly all of those songs from that mixtape have been out, some are older than others.

Em still does guest verses, from what I know. Similar to Jay. And he'll be back for another album, too.


Cheers :yes:

[Stringer Bell]

"Slim Thugga bouta' clown when I hit that G-Town.
If you love me, you gon' smile.
If you hate me, you gon' frown"

Line of the year, bar none...

[Stringer Bell]

New Cunninlynguists retail, A Piece of Strange.. shit is sounding fantastic so far.

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=25CGNJE3GR1UD32Y7VZCDDDW3M

[Fro]

Whatup with Kweli's Right About Now? Thinkin of pickin it up.

[Stringer Bell]

I really like it.. it's only 12 tracks though, and some are actually older songs. It's worth it if you're a die hard fan, but I'd say download it and see what you think. It's definitely a great mixtape though.. the single with MF Doom and the track "Ms. Hill" about Lauryn Hill are my jams right now.

I can actually send that to you on AIM, if you want.

[Dan The Man]

Yer, "Ms. Hill" is great. And once again, Jean Grae kills a track on a Kweli release. There's a surprise.

I still think he has a tendency to choose bad beats, those overly electronic ones that distract ("Who Got It" and "Flash Gordon" here; more than a few on Beautiful Struggle). He's so talented that he can be over-produced, in the sense that you could have an album of Kweli a capella and it would still kill. Although it's a tough thing to say when there's also his tracks with Kanye, who can seemingly do nothing but over-produce, that come out amazing.

But the bottom line is that it's Kweli. You're going to get it and you're going to rock it. It's not perfect, but it's like saying there was a bad movie on your first class flight: the important parts are still top of the line.

...what the fuck? Could that have been a worse post? This is why I hate talking about this shit...

[TapOut]

Downloaded Eminem's 'Curtain Call', mainly for the sole purpose of hearing the three new tracks, the first of which was already posted in this thread.

Needless to say, that song, "When I'm Gone", is the only good one of the three tracks. And even it's merely okay.

The other one, FACK, sounds way too much like "My Band" or "Just Lose It''. Goofy lyrics over a goofy beat. Shit song. Especially when Just Lose It is on the album as is, which is beyond me as to why he would include it on the album. Just Lose It was shit... I would have rather had "If I Had" or "Superman" on there.

Shake That Ass is okay, as it features the king of hooks and chorus' Nate Dogg, but hell, the song sounds way too much like 'Never Enough' from Encore. The lyrics have nothing in common, but the beat is the same, and they even run Nate Dogg's voice through some vocoder, making it sound EXACTLY like it did on Never Enough.

This was just a way to make a cheap buck. Shame too, as Eminem's more talented than that and this could have been a bit more of an ambitious project. Maybe a 2-disc set or something.

Shit album, wrong selection of songs too if you ask me.

[Stringer Bell]

"FACK" is a new low. I don't know if it's actually supposed to be funny or what. I can't figure out if Em has done so many drugs that his head is this fucked up or if being sober just screws his whole style up. "Shake That Ass" isn't much better, but unlike "FACK", it's actually somewhat funny (for the first 2 or 3 listens at least). Eminem is pretty much wack on it, but I enjoyed Nate's stuff.

Just found out Little Brother's coming to my town tomorrow night to play with this local group. Only $10.. should be a really good show, I'm a fan of both groups. Then next week I'm seeing Cage and company in Richmond... two great shows within a week of each other :D

[TapOut]

Eminem is pretty much wack on it, but I enjoyed Nate's stuff.



Yeah, Nate is pretty much the only saving grace on that track, if only for his good voice. The lyrics are shit, but the way he flows and sings at least helps you just listen to his voice and flow and forget about the lyrics.

FACK is some pretty bogus shit though. It's bad enough it's a new song, but when it sits next to all the other goofy shit on this 'Best Of' album, it just gives the wrong impression.

[TapOut]

bump*

Ironic that Ja Rule's 'Exodus' and Eminem's 'Curtain Call' come out the same day.. both greatest hits albums no less.

For what it's worth, at least Ja Rule has a better flow to his greatest hits album. If you're like me and like both artists, Eminem's is a shame for all the goofy shit he put on and all the good shit he left off.

[Morrison]

Going to see Mos Def and Talib Kweli along with Jean Grae and special guest Pharoahe Monch next Sunday night. Should be fun.

[Fro]

I really liked this editorial from hiphopdx.com. This guy puts Lil' Bow Wow in his place:

50 Cent has definitely become delusional in recent years as his ego has grown to unfathomable proportions, just like his delusional fans who call him one of the G.O.A.T.’s. For one thing, at least 50 can make some good music.

The same cannot be said for Bow Wow. Not only has Jermaine Dupri's wet dream become mind-blowingly delusional, but he doesn’t even have a decent song or album to base his claims on. But this is less about his music than it is about him, or his career. In a recent issue of XXL Bow Wow had some rather disparaging remarks about Will Smith. Now I’ll ignore that the Fresh Prince, in his day or even now, is ten times the emcee that little doggie could ever hope to be. I’ll ignore that Big Willy is one of the guys who paved the way for rappers to get opportunities in Hollywood. This is what I won’t ignore: “But to me, honestly Will wasn’t like a real rapper. He was more like a gimmick. Then he zapped in to get a TV show, and it was on and poppin’. Then after that he was in Hollywood. So things came easy for him. With me, I’m a rapper. I ain’t with the whole colorful cornball type things. That’s just not my style.” Bow Wow Wow yippe yo yippe yay…

I’m sorry, did Lil’ fucking Bow Wow just call someone else a gimmick? The same guy who was a pre-packaged, pre-pubescent, ghost-written kiddie rapper named Lil’ Bow Wow who released albums called Beware of Dog and Doggy Bag call someone ELSE a gimmick? Did the little boy who was a link in Jermaine’s long chain of gimmick kiddie rappers just pretend like he was a legit rapper? Has he ignored that his album sales have plummeted with each year that passes? That couldn’t be the gimmick fading could it? Or maybe it is just that his music has become progressively worse? Did anyone even know that he dropped an album this year? Wanted? Only in the bargain bin…

It keeps going though, hang on: “Will [Smith] can act, but he does more of those blockbuster Hollywood movies, which I wanna do. But also I wanna do it like Denzel-movies that really mean something. I feel like I can definitely be better than him.” If there is one thing I’ve learned it’s that doing roller skating movies is of the highest art and the surest footing to Academy hardware.

The icing on the cake: “The only real rappers out there right now are ME, Kanye, 50, and maybe Jay. But Jay ain’t in it like that no more.” I won’t even begin to start listing all the rappers he left out, that is obvious.

“The only real rappers out there right now are me”

Dear Bow Wow, you are a joke as a rapper. Anyone who isn’t a 13 year old girl thinks you are wack. You do not have the respect of your peers as an emcee. When was the last time your name was mentioned by ANYONE as one of the best emcees in the game? More importantly, show some fucking respect to your elders, to the people who paved the way for your unappreciative ass to have a career. Will Smith may have been the perpetrator of some god awful music in the mid-90’s, but the man went from a young rapper in Philly to one of the biggest stars in Hollywood…and a highly respected one. If your career ends up being 1/100th of his, you should be honored. Lose your yes men and take a step back into a reality you fucking punk.

[Deka]

I'm sure this is the way many rappers think.

I mean, if you listen to these guys lyrics in half of their songs they're always saying something like, "I'm the king of the rap game", "nobodys hotter than me", or some other shit like that.

Never fails.

It's just that Bow Wow is a young, spoiled, brat who has alot of money and alot of fame, which has gotten to his head much easier due to it coming at a very young age and thus, he feels like he's the shit.

He's not...but it's understandable.

I'd probably be pretty damn stuck-up and egotistical if I was a millionaire that had billions of girls wanting to fuck me at age 14 too.

[TapOut]

He's dating Ciara..... fucking incredible. I read that article a few days ago and thought the Will Smith comment was a little ironic too, considering that Bow Wow has also done movies..... what was that one with Cedric The Entertainer?

Not to mention, The Men In Black Soundtrack's two tracks with Will Smith (Just Cruisin' and Men In Black) and pretty everything on Big Willy Style were ten times as good as anything Bow Wow released. And on his latest album, Lost and Found, Will does a lot of rapping.

Anyways, I could care less, but I agree.

[Adamy]

I just hope he doesn't celebrate by eating so many shrimp he gets iodine poisoning...


Pimp C has been granted parole.

Thanks to the anonymous dude who commented and left the number for the TDCJ Parole Line. I didn't even know about that. I was trying to reach their PR department.

They say that Pimp has been approved, them peoples are "investigating his home situation," and when thatis complete he will be released. Theysaid they weren't sure how long that will take. Let's hope the man can be home with his family for Christmas.

[Seanny One Ball]

I mean, if you listen to these guys lyrics in half of their songs they're always saying something like, "I'm the king of the rap game", "nobodys hotter than me", or some other shit like that.




The only difference is that when Jay said it it was true, when Pac said it it was true, Mobb Deep...true in fact I can't name a good rapper that doesn't have some sort of "I'm the greatest" line in at least one of their songs.
It's because they legitimately believe it.

Bow Wow realises he's just a black Blazin Squad throwback, that's why he has to make disparaging remarks about people he has no right to be in the same room with, let alone the same sentence.

[son_of_foley]

Love will smith. Wikcy-wicky-wicky-wickky-wild wild wild wild west. It seems cheesy but you gotta love it... all of it.

[TapOut]

Love will smith. Wikcy-wicky-wicky-wickky-wild wild wild wild west. It seems cheesy but you gotta love it... all of it.

It sampled Stevie Wonder's "I Wish"..... and did it well.

Great track.

[Kev]

I've got an awesome cheesy mix of Switch and Stayin' Alive. Goes down well with mates.

*kicks it, big Willie style*

[son_of_foley]

Even sadly like just the two of us. WIll smith ahh man he does seem cool in a cheesy cheesy way.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah. I'm not the biggest Will Smith fan, but I think pretty much anyone who even slightly knows their hip-hop can tell you Will > Bow Wow. The worst record from the Jazzy Jeff era shits on anything Bow Wow has ever recorded. Bow Wow needs to fuck off with those ignorant comments before a talented MC calls him out and pulls his card.

I saw Little Brother last Friday. Incredible show... I loved them on CD, but now I'm even more in love with these guys. True hip-hop at its finest.. just an all-around dope live show. I got some pretty decent camera phone pics, I was front row.. I can post them up if anyone's interested.

Seeing CAGE tomorrow!! Can't fucking wait.

[Stringer Bell]

Ugh.. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. I guess I shouldn't have expected much else from BET, the channel that gives every Bow Wow and B2K video a #1 slot, but here's a few of their Rap City Award nominees...

Group of the Year
Three Six MafiaT
Yin Yang Twins
Diplomats
Boyz N Da Hood
Youngbloodz

Best New Artist
Mike Jones
Paul Wall
Young Jeezy
Slim Thug
The Game
Pitbull


Ugh. I guess I can understand the Best New Artist one, since most of those guys had really big years in '05. But Pitbull? Bit of an odd choice..

Group of the Year is a bit confusing though. Three Six I guess I can understand, they a well-recieved album.. and one big single towards the end of the year. I suppose that's reasonable. Yin Yang Twins? For one song? Come on now. I'd say few years ago that song would've been 106 & Park exclusive, but that just goes to show you how much BET has dumbed-down their product. Diplomats I can understand, Cam and Juelz had good years and they continued to dominate mixtape stuff. Boyz N Da Hood :wtf: Another one-hit selection. I don't even think the YoungBloodz have dropped their album yet.. so one song gets them a nod? Just some strange reasoning if you ask me.. I know the south is dominating shit right now, but come on..

[Dan The Man]

Pitbull is from SoFla, and I enjoy that verse on the "Imagine" rework with Nas.

That's all I have to say about that.

[Stringer Bell]

"Imagine" rework..?

[Dan The Man]

Yer. Lennon's "Imagine" with Nas and Pitbull each doing a verse during the piano interludes. I think Simon posted it here awhile back. Don't know what it's off.

[Stringer Bell]

Sounds interesting. Was it actually a song they recorded together or verses someone blended together?

[Dan The Man]

They're both very much "updated" Lennon-esque verses, both in content and beat, so I think it was done by them.

[Fro]

Kanye West on the upcoming Grammy's:

"If I don't win Album of the Year, I'm gonna really have a problem with that," said West. "I can never talk myself out of [winning], you know why? Because I put in the work. I don't care if I jumped up and down right now on the couch like Tom Cruise. I don't care what I do, I don't care how much I stunt — you can never take away from the amount of work I put into it. So I don't wanna hear all of that politically correct stuff. You put the camera in front of me, I'm gonna tell you like this. I worked hard to get here. I put my love, I put my heart, I put my money [into Late Registration]. I'm $600,000 in the hole right now on that album and you tell me about being politically incorrect?

"People love these songs," he continued. "You talk to somebody whose grandmother just died and listens to 'Roses,' and you tell me about being politically incorrect. I'm talking about history. I never got five mics [top rating] in The Source, I never got five stars from Vibe. They said it's not a classic. So 'Jesus Walks' is not a classic? 'Roses' is not a classic? 'Gold Digger' wasn't song of the year? 'Oh, but Kanye, you can't say that.' Why? Who are you? I don't know you."


This guy is making himself harder and harder to like. He's certainly a good musician, but GODDAMN he is such a douche bag. Kan: your album was pretty good, but not nearly as good as Danger Doom, and that's just one I can think of off my dome. And I only listen to rap. Hopefully he won't get any awards and will cry his way home. The fact that he can wipe his tears with hundred dollar bills will be no consolation I'm sure. What a prick.

[TapOut]

He's doing it now as a stunt. Maybe he believes some of the crap he spews, I have no clue. But obviously, he's found out that it draws news and reaction, so he's going to keep doing, just as he did at the Vibe awards a few days ago.

It's irritating and retarded. Who's to say other people didn't work as hard as him?

[Kris P. Lettus]

Long time, no post..

Anyway, I got Sirious Sattelite Radio.. F'n loving Backspin.. Kinda pissed that the "Wax" channel is now Shady 45 (yes, Eminem has his own station)..

Anyone heard "Bobb Deep"?? It's like the Gray Album but it's Mobb Deep and Bobn Marley mixed.. They have it at turntablelab.com..

[TapOut]

Bizzy Bone - Speaking In Tongues....

Just downloaded it, like I'm what hearing. Very unique sound. Never really listened to his solo work, just his stuff with Bone. He sometimes falls into the pit of using too much unecessary vulgarity, but I still like it.

The new 'Disturbing Tha Peace'/Ludacris album is fucking awesome. If you like Luda, you know what to expect, as it's very formulatic, but that's hardly a bad thing given it's Luda.

On a side not, not hip-hop, but the new Mary J. Blige album is great.

[Dan The Man]

The more I listen to Right About Now, the more I want to listen to it again. It's definitely my go-to album right now. It's weird, because it doesn't hit the heights of Quality or even The Beautiful Struggle but from top to bottom, I think it's definitely better than the latter and maybe even the former. It's just consistently strong, and yet in so many different ways that it stays fresh with each listen. And I must have listened to it about two dozen times by now.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Just got that shit, DTM..

:yes:

[Kris P. Lettus]

Just an FYI, I bought "Get a Life" season 1 on DVD.. The very first episode has Chris Elliott trying to be a male model.. He goes to "Handsome Boy Modeling School".. Just thought that was pretty cool..

[Stringer Bell]

Right About Now is definitely a hell of an album. If it had 3 or 4 more tracks, it'd probably knock it's way into my top three of the year. Still up there as it is.

I dunno about that Disturbing The Peace tap. Not nearly enough Luda, and way too much of his shitty crew. Can't say I understand the "you know what to expect" comment, since Luda only has one song of his own and three other brief appearances on the CD. Personally, I would've much rather had a new Luda album.. "Sweet Revenge" and "Georgia" are the only songs I enjoyed.

Listening to a lot of underground lately. I picked up Blueprint's 1988, Sage Francis A Healthy Distrust, and Murs/Slug FELT 2 the other day. Sage Francis is incredible stuff :yes: I never got into his previous CD's, but after hearing the new one, I'm definitely gonna have to go back and check his stuff out again.

I'll compiling a little write-up of my top 25 of 2005 before the year's over. Not that I expect many of you guys to be interested, but I'll be posting it up here when I get it done.

Krispy.. what is that?

[TapOut]

Yeah, but the album's beats are not far off his own albums, and he already had that one album of him and his crew two or three years back, so if you liked that one, this is not really any different. I want a new Luda album too, but I expect it'll be another six months or so at least before that happens, if not 4th Q this year or 1st Q next year.

[Greboking]

I am listening to Jelz Santana, what the games been missing.

It is good stuff, still think from me to you is better though.

[Greboking]

Ok, something went wrong.......

[TapOut]

Can't say I like Julez one way or the other. He's not bad, but I really don't listen to him often. He just belongs in the same category as rappers like Cassidy and the like. I did download Wayne's 'Tha Carter II'. I thought it was a decent listen. Not as good as the first one.

I'm enjoying Kanye's Freshmen Adjustment 2 mixtape. Also, I'm no G-Unit fan, but the 'We Gangsta' mixtape has some fantastic beats.... too bad they jam 30 songs into one CD and repeat many of the beats. They could have at least just cut the tracks to 20 or so and went for full-length songs than rehashing snippets. But hell, it's a mixtape which I guess is the point.

[spanish announce table]

Top 5 Albums of the year (probably wont change much)
GZA & Muggs - Grandmasters
Common - Be
MF Doom & Danger Mouse - The Mouse & The Mask
AZ - AWOL
Think Differently: Wu Tang meets the Indie Culture

Other good stuff:
Black Market Militia
Afu-Ra - State of the Arts
Mathematics - The Problem
Canibus - Hip Hop 4 Sale (not as good as it could have been...waiting for RTJ2)
Sean Price - Monkey Barz
John Cena - You Cant See Me (better than I expected it to be, and better than most major label releases like Yayo, Jeezy, Juelz, etc)

Good "commercial" songs:
3-6 Mafia - Stay Fly (beat is dope)
Juelz - Mic Check
Biggie & Bob Marley - Hold Ya Head (Duets will suffer from Born-Again Syndrome of putting classic verses over wack beats with shitty rappers)
Common - Testify
Purple Ribbon All Stars - Kriptonite (funny how BET censors the "krip" of "kriptonite" as if it was a gang reference)

Disappointments:
UGod - Mr. Xcitement
Street Life - Street Education
Prodigal Sunn - Return of the Prodigal Sunn
Jus Allah - All Fates Have Changed

Stuff I probably should have heard by now:
Cage - Hell's Winter
Little Brother - Minstrel Show
Talib Kweli - Right About Now

Look out for:
Ghostface - Fish Scale & Ghostface meets Metal Face
Raekwon - Cuban Linx 2
AOTP - The Torture Papers
Killah Priest - The Offering
Nas - Nasdaq Dow Jones

[Stringer Bell]

I figured the "Kryp" edit was in reference to the slang term for pot.

My top 10.. (no real order except the top 3)

Cage - Hell's Winter
Little Brother - The Minstrel Show
Cunninlynguists - A Piece of Strange
The Game - The Documentary
Atmosphere - You Can't Imagine How Much Fun We're Having
Dangerdoom - The Mouse and The Mask
AZ - AWOL
DJ Muggs and GZA - Grandmasters
Beanie Sigel - The B Coming
Talib Kweli - Right About Now

Fuck.. Ghostface and Trife - Put It On The Line and Slum Village - Self-titled need to be in there too..

I'll have a write up on those later.. along with a full 25.

As for hot commercial joints -- Juelz killed it with "Mic Check" and "Shottas". Cam's "Get Em Daddy" was hot too. Kanye "Heard Em Say" and "Diamonds".. 50 "Hustler's Ambition" was pretty hot for 50.. "Window Shopper" too, but the video's goofy as fuck. "Georgia" from Luda and Field Mob.. The Game's singles..

[Fro]

You need a hot one I got one now take it and bend
Shake it down, break it down, with me and a friend
Biggity bounce, slide, ride, work that cat to the right
Push it down, push it up - boom, you dynamite
Lick it up like ice cream, nigga you know her
She make me bom bom bom bom Rocky Balboa
See I lovin it when you thuggin, baby just don't stop
You could wobledee wobledee (drop drop it like it's hot)
Beat it up and eat it up, love that's yo dick
And if you ain't from the ghetto, then ride out bitch
Arms, legs, backs, and breasts
You better read her fucking tats, nigga Mannie Fresh
suck it up and yuck it up, baby work on that pole
Got them niggaz in a circle hollerin ere oh oooh
Back that azz up lil' one all the way to the zipper
I really like you hot girl but I got ta flip ya

For some reason I've been listening to that Manny Fresh verse from I Need a Hot Girl by the Hot Boys all week. It's just so fuckin dope. Cash Money of old is the shiiiiiiit.

[QuoteTmoneyNeverMore]

3 worst songs ive heard in a year
Laffy Taffy
I think they Like me
White T

5 rappers or Groups that need to either be forced to stop rapping or dont claim to be rappers

D4l
Dem Franchise Boyz
Lil Wayne
50 Cent
Jermaine Durpri

My top 10 right now not alll time

Sheek Louch
Nas
Jadakiss
Cormega
Az
Llyod Banks
Masta Ace
Tash
Do or Die
Crucial Conflict

[QuietStorm]

AZ and Cormega are so underrated and underappreciated.

[QuoteTmoneyNeverMore]

They truly are. Cormega's True Meaning Album was just amazing

[Stringer Bell]

Oh yeah, Cormega's always been real as fuck. Legal Hustle was one of my favorite albums last year.. just so many good tracks.

Your bad songs list is pretty on point.. "Like Me" and "Laffy Taffy" are some of the worst songs out right now.

As for AZ, I can't believe 50 dissed him on the GRODT soundtrack ("What if I put out bullshit joints like AZ?"). I understand 50's got it out for Nas, but somewhere in him he has to realize that AZ is a true lyricist. AZ will eat 50.

[QuoteTmoneyNeverMore]

Nas is a True Lyricist too one of the best. Sheek already ate 50. Nas will to and if Az does 50 should just retire

[DaRocTric]

I really liked the Carter II. I love the Fly in and Fly out tracks. He has a nice laid back feel to the cd. Even though anyday, Go DJ>>>>>>>Fireman

I just downlaoded the new Trick trick album. It seems like an Unofficial Shady release. With Obie, Mr. Porter, Proof, Eminem, etc...

[Morrison]

Has anybody heard about a new Wu-Tang tour? They're scheduled to make a stop in Philly in Feburary, but I haven't seen any other tour dates and don't know if it's even the whole group or not.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Krispy.. what is that?


Handsome Boy Modeling School was a teaming of quirky super-producers Prince Paul (best-known for his work with De la Soul and Stetsasonic) and Dan "The Automator" Nakamura (fresh off his underground success with Kool Keith's Dr. Octagon album). Taking their name from an episode of the cult Chris Elliott sitcom Get a Life (which was sampled several times on their album), Paul and Dan adopted the über-stylish alter egos of Chest Rockwell and Nathaniel Merriweather, respectively. Their debut album, So...How's Your Girl?, was a loose concept record packed with guest stars: rappers Del tha Funkee Homosapien, J-Live, and El-P; members of Cibo Matto, Brand Nubian, and the Beastie Boys; star turntablists like DJ Shadow, DJ Quest, and Kid Koala; electronica artists like Moloko's Roisin Murphy and Atari Teenage Riot's Alec Empire; and even Saturday Night Live's Father Guido Sarducci. So...How's Your Girl? was released on Tommy Boy in the fall of 1999 to mostly favorable reviews, and the opening track, "Rock n' Roll (Could Never Hip Hop Like This)," was licensed for a TV ad campaign. Nakamura subsequently moved on to a host of other highly conceptual projects, including Deltron 3030, Gorillaz, and Lovage. The duo returned to record-store shelves in 2004 with White People, their first album for Elektra. ~ Steve Huey, All Music Guide

Own some of their shit but never put the two together until I watched that show..

In other news I got Biggie "Duets" and "Think Diffently Music: Wu Tang Meets the Indie Culture"..

Both are outstanding..

[LGHTNNG]

just dled Chino XL's new album/mixtape "Poison Pen", so gooood.

[Stringer Bell]

Oh, I knew about Handsome Boy Modeling School, I have the first one.. "So.. Hows Your Girl?" or whatever. Good shit. Just didn't know what Get A Life was.

Wu Meets Indie is awesome... That Biggie's pretty good too. The only thing that disappointed me with the Biggie is it seemed like some of the producers were lazy in making sure everything was synched up right and flowed nice over the beat. I guess when you're dealing with classic BIG verses, it's really hard to make something that can fuck with the original. There's one verse on "Hold Your Head" (the 2nd I believe) and the stuff on "1970 Something" that really stand out. Both are hot songs, but compare the BIG verses to the way they sound on "Suicidal Thoughts" and "Respect". They damaged the whole flow up. Other than that, it's a really solid album. Besides the aspect I mentioned, I thought it was definitely on par, if not better than Born Again. Pretty much all of the guest appearences are nice. Nas and The Game especially. Just Blaze kills it with the beat on "Living In Pain"..