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Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 2:37 PM
Get it right, my brim's crooked :)

How's it poser? I like New York.. I also wear a few Dallas Mavericks hats. Is that poser too? :dunno:

Fro
September 9th, 2005, 3:35 PM
"I feel like Kanye West is successful because of me," 50 Cent told MTV.com "After 50 Cent, [hip-hop fans] was looking for something non-confrontational, and they went after first thing that came along. That was Kanye West, and his record took off."
:lol:

In other news, it turns out 50 Cent was responsible for the successes of NWA, Big Daddy Kane and 2pac.

Deka
September 9th, 2005, 5:00 PM
I like 50, but the guy acts like an underdeveloped 5 year old. Those comments don't surprise me.

Anyway, anybody else heard Twista's new single with Trey Songz? It's called "Girl Tonite". Great song.

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 5:23 PM
Wow, 50 suprises me more every day.. goddamn.

TapOut
September 9th, 2005, 5:39 PM
"I feel like Kanye West is successful because of me," 50 Cent told MTV.com "After 50 Cent, [hip-hop fans] was looking for something non-confrontational, and they went after first thing that came along. That was Kanye West, and his record took off."
:lol:

In other news, it turns out 50 Cent was responsible for the successes of NWA, Big Daddy Kane and 2pac.

The Place: Chicago

The Event: Wrestlemania 22

The Match: Hulk Hogan and 50 Cent vs. The World!

TapOut
September 9th, 2005, 5:42 PM
Fuck me. I'm away for two days, and this...



This is getting ridiculous. I'm going to put it very simply:





This all stops now. Any and all people who continue this stupid fucking argument gets banned for a week.

Just thought I'd remind everyone.

I'm a little late, but that David Banner 'Play' song does sound like The Whisper Song. But on the same note, that beat sounded incredibly similar to Snoop and Pharrell's 'Drop It Like It's Hot', so it's a case of a rip-off from a rip-off.

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 5:49 PM
"It's part of a movement, a whispering movement," Banner says.

Come on, Banner..

Dan The Man
September 9th, 2005, 6:12 PM
Oh like all rap doesn't sound the same anyway...

PS: There probably is a movement. I mean, when's the last time any of us were at a house party in the south? What if they're all whispering, and twenty years down the road we're talking about DJ Smurf the way kids who want to get into "real hip-hop" and study it like it was an academic subject with right and wrong answers talk about Herc?

TapOut
September 9th, 2005, 6:30 PM
Oh like all rap doesn't sound the same anyway...

PS: There probably is a movement. I mean, when's the last time any of us were at a house party in the south? What if they're all whispering, and twenty years down the road we're talking about DJ Smurf the way kids who want to get into "real hip-hop" and study it like it was an academic subject with right and wrong answers talk about Herc?

:lol:

Aha, the absolute validity of it all!

Kris P. Lettus
September 9th, 2005, 7:39 PM
I mean, when's the last time any of us were at a house party in the south?

Days ago..

:cool:

I liked the idea when the Ying Yang Twins did it and like Banners shit too.. Why complain about new and creative things in Hip Hop?? New different shit is always welcomed on my radio..

Speaking of Banner, I saw him today.. Only breifly spoke but we're supposed to go to Club 7 on Wed night.. He's doing a benefit show for the hurricane victomns.. Also, Mr. Sho Nuff gave me a copy of their new mitape.. Got everyone from Bun B to Nappy Roots on it.. Hottt shit cept for the fact that they are now calling themselves "Causing Drama Entertainment" when my boys have been known as NCD (Niggas Causing Drama) for over ten years now..

:dunno:

jesus sucks
September 9th, 2005, 7:40 PM
i think get rich is a classic and it's one of the cd's i have played most this summer but for fuck's sake. 50 cent is an absolute dickhead. i'm embarrassed to say i've seen him Live. he knows Kanye west is the #1 at the moment so that's why he's made these comments :D

i reckon the game's better anyway. i've got a couple of his, so's the documentary. mixtape cd's and they're much better than the massacre. the game :yes:

Kris P. Lettus
September 9th, 2005, 7:47 PM
"It's part of a movement, a whispering movement," Banner says.

Come on, Banner..

"If we don't make good music, what are our kids gonna sample??"-Banner

p.s. "You are a faggot, bitch made motherfucker.."-Lettus

jesus sucks
September 9th, 2005, 8:32 PM
:lol:

TapOut
September 9th, 2005, 8:47 PM
Days ago..

:cool:

I liked the idea when the Ying Yang Twins did it and like Banners shit too.. Why complain about new and creative things in Hip Hop?? New different shit is always welcomed on my radio..

Speaking of Banner, I saw him today.. Only breifly spoke but we're supposed to go to Club 7 on Wed night.. He's doing a benefit show for the hurricane victomns.. Also, Mr. Sho Nuff gave me a copy of their new mitape.. Got everyone from Bun B to Nappy Roots on it.. Hottt shit cept for the fact that they are now calling themselves "Causing Drama Entertainment" when my boys have been known as NCD (Niggas Causing Drama) for over ten years now..

:dunno:

I actually read about Banner's bennefit concert today. Supposed to have some good names on the card: Twista and Nelly among others.

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 9:15 PM
I liked the idea when the Ying Yang Twins did it and like Banners shit too.. Why complain about new and creative things in Hip Hop?? New different shit is always welcomed on my radio..


:wtf: That'd be a good little argument if it were at all creative.. Banner's track is liek a carbon copy.

Banner's not making anything that will withstand the test of time, regardless of what he wants to say. In 10 years, no one will remember him.

Kris P. Lettus
September 9th, 2005, 9:51 PM
Yes and what you say about Hip Hop goes as you've proven so many times before..

You, a rich 18 white kid from the suburbs of Virginia, is the voice of the people..

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 10:00 PM
I'm really glad you know what kind of neighborhood I'm from and my ecomonic status. Why don't we refrain from the little, unfounded cheap shots and stick to the facts? Explain to me how Banner's track is creative. It'd be one thing if he came out with the whole corny 'whisper' style first.

QuietStorm
September 9th, 2005, 10:02 PM
It is kinda corny.

Kris P. Lettus
September 9th, 2005, 10:05 PM
It is one of two tracks that is like that..

NOT THAT HARD

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 10:08 PM
We've established that much.. the point is, Yin Yang had a huge hit with the whisper style and raunchy sex subject matter, and Banner comes along months later with the same exact idea. That's not creative.

TapOut
September 9th, 2005, 10:12 PM
We've established that much.. the point is, Yin Yang had a huge hit with the whisper style and raunchy sex subject matter, and Banner comes along months later with the same exact idea. That's not creative.

But 'Wait' came along after Snoop with a near-identical sound, they are just as guilty.

Banner is having a hit as well.. 'Play' has already broke the top ten singles.

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Snoop wasn't whispering or rapping about sex the whole time..

I'm not saying it's not a hit, I'm saying it's not creative. Hell, I'd sure hope he has a hit after he reproduces one of the biggest singles of the summer..

TapOut
September 9th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Snoop wasn't whispering or rapping about sex, but the beat to 'Wait' and 'Drop...' sound inexplicably similar to me. Not to the extent that 'Play' and 'Wait' do, but still, I have a hard time convincing myself that they didn't get the idea for 'Wait's beat from Pharrell and Snoop's hit.

Anyways, songs ripping near-identical styles from each other is nothing new at all. There's countless examples. I mean, it may not be necessarily innovative or inventive, but I don't think something has to be original to be creative.

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 10:23 PM
That's great, but I haven't been talking about the beats at all..

I dunno, I can't recall a recent song that was so blatantly ripped. What's creative about it, all he did was jack their concept. And please come up with something better than Krispy's "it's one of two tracks like it". And it's Banner, it's not like he doesn't have his own fresh ideas.. I just think he could've came with something more original.

Kris P. Lettus
September 9th, 2005, 10:34 PM
You dumb f'n bastard..

It was an original idea.. BRAND NEW CONCEPT like 3 monthes ago.. He just took the idea and put his own spin on it..

I guess he could've just sped up an old RnB sample..

:dunno:

Stringer Bell
September 9th, 2005, 10:39 PM
Right, but it's a corny ass concept.

And he didn't put his own spin on it, that'd be one thing if he did. Fuck, the two tracks even have the exact same producer. He might as well be saying the same shit as them as well. Listen to the tracks..

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 12:00 AM
Banner's not making anything that will withstand the test of time, regardless of what he wants to say. In 10 years, no one will remember him.

i think...banner will be remembered...he is a producer you know...he wont go down as a 2pac or Rakim or people like that, but his music will be known...

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 12:13 AM
I didn't mean it so literally, I just meant he wouldn't leave a big mark on hip-hop. Yeah, he's a producer, but he hasn't had any amazing efforts, and he's only produced one smash ("Like a Pimp"). I think in 10 years when people look back on the south's crunk era of this time period, someone like Lil Jon will be remembered before Banner, not that that's a good thing..

Anyway, my point was that "Play" wasn't original, or creative. It's not some mystery that he jacked the concept of the summer's biggest hit..

Fro
September 10th, 2005, 12:21 AM
That Banner song is more of a ripoff of the Whisper Song than Whisper Song is of Drop It. As soon as I started hearin it on the radio I actually THOUGHT it WAS the Whisper Song. I'm not a fan of neither Ying Yang Twins nor David Banner... but that shit is ripped off hardcore. Nuff sed.

Dan The Man
September 10th, 2005, 12:27 AM
It's odd that, with two songs out that feature whispering, the second is unoriginal... while every other song besides those two features "straight" rapping. Which, exactly, is the less original form: the one that's been around for two songs, or for three decades?

PS: Did anyone notice how practically every song uses a bass line? Unoriginal bastards...

Fro
September 10th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Maybe its just cuz I'm drunk rght now.... but what song arre you talking about from 3 decades ago?

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 12:50 AM
That Banner song is more of a ripoff of the Whisper Song than Whisper Song is of Drop It. As soon as I started hearin it on the radio I actually THOUGHT it WAS the Whisper Song. I'm not a fan of neither Ying Yang Twins nor David Banner... but that shit is ripped off hardcore. Nuff sed.

:yes: Exactly.



Good one Dan.. Face the facts, stop defending a shitty song.

Dan The Man
September 10th, 2005, 2:53 AM
I believe my point is far more rooted in fact than yours... which is so uncharacteristic of you, trying to pass off your opinion as be-all end-all.

I mean, it's quite convenient for you to just say "face the facts" when you couldn't possibly face mine. Tell me, how exactly are two songs with whispering any different than two songs with speaking which are any different than two songs with bass and drums?

omg, Jay-Z ripped off Trick Daddy ripped off LL on "99 Problems"...

TRO
September 10th, 2005, 3:15 AM
Picked up Lyrics Born's remixed album today. Better than the original by quite a bit. :yes: It's worth it just to hear Jumbo (from Lifesavas) continuing to progress as a producer. Damn I can't wait for their next album. And Blackalicious' follow-up to Blazing Arrow too. :heart: Quannum

KRS-One needs to retire though. Or go back to living in central park or whatever

Suno
September 10th, 2005, 8:12 AM
I didn't mean it so literally, I just meant he wouldn't leave a big mark on hip-hop. Yeah, he's a producer, but he hasn't had any amazing efforts, and he's only produced one smash ("Like a Pimp"). I think in 10 years when people look back on the south's crunk era of this time period, someone like Lil Jon will be remembered before Banner, not that that's a good thing..



This really is a ludicrous argument, which you already semi-contradicted yourself on. So Vanilla Ice is pretty much known to everyone in the world for his involvement in rap music, but would you say he's a better artist than Banner? Yeah Lil Jon probably will be remembered before banner, but for what reason? being that wierd looking fool who is always screaming 'yeah', credit due, some of his beats are hot ( if not just an update of that early 90's late 80's 808 drumkit sound), but is he a more credible artist than banner musically? you do come out with some argumentative BS.

And your talking about rip off's and carbon copies? For fuck sakes man, this is Hip Hop you tart, everyone and their mum was sampling the sam James Brown funk breaks back in the day, so that must make it all void. Rakim changed the face of being an MC, change the way Mc's rapped, so the list of legendary names that came after Ra must all be deemed carbon-copies no? Get to know and UNDERSTAND the music you're listening to.

QuietStorm
September 10th, 2005, 9:24 AM
Picked up Lyrics Born's remixed album today. Better than the original by quite a bit. :yes: It's worth it just to hear Jumbo (from Lifesavas) continuing to progress as a producer. Damn I can't wait for their next album. And Blackalicious' follow-up to Blazing Arrow too. :heart: Quannum

KRS-One needs to retire though. Or go back to living in central park or whatever
The Craft comes out at the end of this month.


P.S Everyone should give Miri Ben Ari's The Hip Hop Violinist a listen. That girl is some kind of talent.

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 10:03 AM
I got the Miri Ben Ari CD, i really like it. the guest appearances are nice...

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 10:23 AM
When did the Miri Ben Ari get leaked? I've been wanting to hear how it sounds, the Pulling Strings mixtape was pretty good.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 10th, 2005, 10:30 AM
The Craft comes out at the end of this month.


P.S Everyone should give Miri Ben Ari's The Hip Hop Violinist a listen. That girl is some kind of talent.

Got a sample?

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 11:21 AM
http://files.filefront.com/miriwebfilesrar/;4114050;;/fileinfo.html

like yesterday....i like it...

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 11:23 AM
This really is a ludicrous argument, which you already semi-contradicted yourself on. So Vanilla Ice is pretty much known to everyone in the world for his involvement in rap music, but would you say he's a better artist than Banner? Yeah Lil Jon probably will be remembered before banner, but for what reason? being that wierd looking fool who is always screaming 'yeah', credit due, some of his beats are hot ( if not just an update of that early 90's late 80's 808 drumkit sound), but is he a more credible artist than banner musically? you do come out with some argumentative BS.

And your talking about rip off's and carbon copies? For fuck sakes man, this is Hip Hop you tart, everyone and their mum was sampling the sam James Brown funk breaks back in the day, so that must make it all void. Rakim changed the face of being an MC, change the way Mc's rapped, so the list of legendary names that came after Ra must all be deemed carbon-copies no? Get to know and UNDERSTAND the music you're listening to.

My point was that Lil Jon has made far more of an impact.. I even said it wasn't a good thing. Fuck, there was a period in 2003 where like 5 out of the top 10 singles in the country were Jon-produced.

I most certainly understand the music I'm listening to. There's a difference between being influenced by someone's style and straight up biting it. *Plays "Shark Niggas"*

Nice Roc.. how's the quality? Webrip or retail?

Raw Is Jonathan
September 10th, 2005, 11:31 AM
BTW, lately :heart: De La Soul.

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 11:33 AM
Retail. I like the song with Styles P. Speaking of Styles, I got D-Block-Peer Pressure II. I like it just as much as pt. I.

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 11:53 AM
That Pharoahe Monch track "New World Symphony" is hard!

TapOut
September 10th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Just downloaded that Vatican mixtape from Rae off torrentspy. "You Might Die" and "The Heist" :wired: 30-plus tracks.

spanish announce table
September 10th, 2005, 12:23 PM
I thought Banner flipped the whisper style way better than Ying Tang did. Plus the video is better too.

Bought Wu Tang Killa Bees: The Swarm the other day. Really liking the tracks by Remedy (Never Again), The Beggaz (On the Strength), Sunz of Man (Concrete Jungle, Co-Defendent), Raekwon (Execute Them) and Ghostface (Cobra Clutch, 97 Mentality).

Army of the Pharoahs coming by the end of the year, according to Cheif Kamachi. Stoupe and 7L better handle most of the beats.

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 12:40 PM
New Stoupe :yum: I can't wait for him and 'Bus to do another LP.. new Jedi Mind and Army of Pharoahs should be good though.

Suno
September 10th, 2005, 12:45 PM
My point was that Lil Jon has made far more of an impact.. I even said it wasn't a good thing. Fuck, there was a period in 2003 where like 5 out of the top 10 singles in the country were Jon-produced.

I most certainly understand the music I'm listening to. There's a difference between being influenced by someone's style and straight up biting it. *Plays "Shark Niggas"*




Top 10????? When has hip-hop ever been about record sales in relation to the actual music? by that assumption illmatic, 36 chambers and numerous other classic albums must not have made an impact because they didnt have singles in the 'pop' chart.

Biting is a term that shouldnt be abused by peons anywho.*plays "Turn Off the Radio"*

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 1:29 PM
Top 10????? When has hip-hop ever been about record sales in relation to the actual music? by that assumption illmatic, 36 chambers and numerous other classic albums must not have made an impact because they didnt have singles in the 'pop' chart.

Biting is a term that shouldnt be abused by peons anywho.*plays "Turn Off the Radio"*


Exactly what I was going to say.. Just because little girls voted for The Yiong Yang Twins on TRL and not Banner doesn't mean they've made a bigger impact on Hip Hop..

Yeah, Nelly is GOAT while UGK are forgetable..

COME ON

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 4:27 PM
Well, I believe he is right. The Top 10 *Most Played* songs. Half were Jon produced. If the song is majorly played, it is a successful single. Though 'Wait', 'So Much More', and 'So Seductive' werent great songs they were good singles. 'Wait' maybe the biggest hit of 2005. Just becuase of its popularity.

TapOut
September 10th, 2005, 4:31 PM
Wait is far from the biggest hit of 2005.

Dan The Man
September 10th, 2005, 4:53 PM
I like how getting play is a measure of success when it counts against Banner, but when he produces a hit like "Rubber Band Man" it's a knock against him.

Not to mention the overwhelmingly obvious fact that a song like "Play" is so far from what should come to mind when you think David Banner it's ridiculous. For how much Buck talks about how he likes "real hip-hop" with meaning and conciousness and all that, isn't it odd that arguably the most concious southern rapper going today is viewed only in terms of that second adjective...

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 4:58 PM
I really liked Rubber Band Man.

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 5:03 PM
Also, that line of thinking (more popular=bigger impact on Hip Hop in general) puts acts like Public Enemy behind shitstains like Ja Rule..

Think about it..

And I'm not one of those "if they make it big, they've sold out" guys but I am a fan of true Hip Hop.. I mean, I still like Kanye and he's the biggest thing around.. But, impact on the pop scene means nothing when it comes to quality, mostly because of the demographic that causes something to hit number one.. Look at Mtv.. 90% of their veiwers are girls ages 13-18.. I could care less if they make some shitty rap song hit number one.. Most of the people that "live" Hip Hop could also care less.. Acts like UGK, Three 6 Mafia, Eightball & MJG, Banner, Ghetto Boyz, etc etc etc are the voice of the people (atleast where I live) and it's not because they've had number one singles on the billboard charts..

church

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 5:07 PM
Goddamn. Nowhere did I say the record sales made Lil Jon better, in fact if you look back at previous pages, it's easy to tell I don't hold much stock in America's taste in music. Jon was just an example, I don't think there's much of an argument that Banner has had more of an impact than him... if there is, do explain. I like Banner much more than Lil Jon, but he hasn't begun to leave as big of a print in this time period of shitty crunk rap as Jon has.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I said was Lil Jon will be remembered moreso than Banner. When he's had countless top 10 singles, I'd say that's a pretty safe assumption.

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 5:15 PM
It's not a safe assumption.. Come around here and anyone will tell you.. Just because he hit on the chart, he might be remember more on a gobal scale but that doesn't really mean shit.. MC Hammer, Coolio, Vannilla Ice, etc are probably more remembered than say, De La Soul but you really shouldn't compare them..

You really are a sheltered, dense, uppity faggot..

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 5:19 PM
:rolleyes: My intial statement stands.

I'd really think someone your age would be more mature (or at least more creative) than to use the same, childish insults to degrade someone. Don't be mad that I'm right.

You think Three Six Mafia are talented, why am I aguing with you?

DaRocTric
September 10th, 2005, 5:26 PM
Ok, Hold On. Where did anyone say Lil Jon was "great"? They didnt. No one is comparing Lil Jon with the likes of great Hip hop Artists. But Lil Jon will be remembered more than people like David Banner, Three Six, etc. He will be remembered for the "hit songs" he produced. No one ever said, a hit song had to be "good" hip hop or "real" hip hop. Just as long as someone can get money and radio play from the song, it is a hit, and successful.

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 5:29 PM
No, you are not right..

You have a weak stance on what impact someone like Banner has made because you don't see it.. You watch it on tv, listen to it on the radio, read it on the internet, etc.. I see it everyday.. Banner is always around here donating time to places like the Stew Pot and many local charities.. He's built parks and donated alot of time and money towards inner city youth.. He is a local hero here and all over Mississippi.. Your arguement is moot because you have no idea what you're talking about.. You come off as an uppity, rich wanna-be who is smart about rap because you've invested time studying it.. Not because you've lived it.. You're watching this through a window then wanna tell me what's what about Banner's impact.. Fuck you.. I know David Banner and saw him yesterday.. I knew him way before "his only smash hit (like a pimp)" and will prolly know him once The Source stops mentioning him.. You have no idea the impact he's made here.. Let me tell you, FROM SOMEONE WHO SEES SAID IMPACT ON A DAILY BASIS, he will be remember in much higher reguards than Lil Jon or the Ying Yang Twins..

You might wanna get off your high horse, stop reading HIPHOP.com for just a minute and think about what you're arguing about and who you are arguing it with.. I see this shit firsthand, not through coax cable...

Fro
September 10th, 2005, 5:39 PM
Goddamn, why doesn't everyone who gets pissed off by BuckMarley just put him on your IGNORE list... this thread sucks now.

Dan The Man
September 10th, 2005, 5:46 PM
this thread sucks now.

It is quite coincidental that what used to be a thread where people dropped recommendations and news and the occasional list turned into a bitch and moan fest right around the time BuckMarley started posting regularly.

But I don't see why we should make the overly ironic move of ignoring someone who so often speaks out of ignorance of everything but his own (if repeating what someone else has said to think can be counted as one's own) opinion.

I would say that it makes far more sense for Buck to become even the tiniest bit more aware of his faults in logic, posting, and general temperment, but if he's proven to be anything it's stubborn and averse to common sense like that.

Seanny One Ball
September 10th, 2005, 6:15 PM
Buck isn't the worst poster in this thread by a long shot

Dan The Man
September 10th, 2005, 6:17 PM
Not if I have anything to do with it.

QuietStorm
September 10th, 2005, 6:22 PM
I really liked Rubber Band Man.
I really like me some T.I. Krispy knows I'm not a big fan of the Southern style, but I do love T.I.

Deka
September 10th, 2005, 7:25 PM
Right, but it's a corny ass concept.

And he didn't put his own spin on it, that'd be one thing if he did. Fuck, the two tracks even have the exact same producer. He might as well be saying the same shit as them as well. Listen to the tracks..

I didn't like the "Whisper" song when I first heard it, but it was one of those songs you hear coming out of people's cars, on the radio, and on BET and MTV so much until it just grows on you. Soon enough, I started bumpin' it in my car. I also wasn't too fond of "Play" when I first saw the video debut on 106, but it grew onto me quicker than "Wait" and I couldn't help but think, damn, Banner took the "Whisper" concept and actual did it more justice than it's original jumpstarters, the Ying Yang Twins. But, unlike "Wait", "Play" has gotten old real quick. It's only been out so long and I am already sick and tired of hearing it.

You speak of Banner using the same producer for his track, well, that's because that very producer is the "mastermind" (if you could call him that) behind the whole "Whisper movement" going on down south, particularly ATL. Banner is not the only southern artist playing off of this new style of hip hop. Young Bloodz have a "Whisper" track on their new album and I'm sure alot more southern artist will follow. I personally don't care for the "Whisper" songs. I think they're stupid, but that's just me. I honestly feel like they should have left it at Ying Yang's "Wait" and not taking it into a whole new "movement". It's really not much of a movement anyway. It's a rapper whispering lyrics on a track like a fucking idiot instead of speaking in a full tone so we can hear what the hell he's saying. Having a whispering hook is cool, but whispering through a whole song just comes off as really dumb to me. Sorry to those that think it's "innovative" or something.

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 8:13 PM
I think it's "innovative".. Fresh, new shit that's not just another sped up sample.. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing to happen to rap but it's a nice change.. As I said before, new shit is always welcomed in my speaker box...

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 8:14 PM
p.s. T.I. is the fucking man..

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 8:14 PM
p.s. T.I. is the fucking man..

Kris P. Lettus
September 10th, 2005, 8:15 PM
And yes, it needed to be said twice..

:shifty:

TapOut
September 10th, 2005, 10:15 PM
I'm loving these mixtapes I've been downloading.

I go to mixunit.com and they've got craploads of mixtapes, and most of them you can find on Torrentspy. I've got Anger Management/Clinton Sparks mixtape, Raekwon's The Vatican, Kanye 'We Major In This' by Tapemasters, and others.

The Kanye one is great because he freestyles over two of my favs: Legend's 'Used to Love You' and Game's 'Dreams'.

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 11:25 PM
That Anger Management tape was pretty disappointing, too many snippets and not enough quality songs. I guess that should be expected when it's like 30 tracks, but oh well :dunno:

That Vatican is hot huh? I need that shit. You should be a pal and upload it, or at least AIM it to me :)

Stringer Bell
September 10th, 2005, 11:38 PM
Downloading an advance copy of the GZA/DJ Muggs album right now.. :cool:

TapOut
September 11th, 2005, 12:08 AM
I'm not lying, they could just call that Cuban Linx 2. It's that good.

Here's the link. It's in .rar format, so you'll need winrar to open it. If not, it's a quick and easy program and almost a must-have.

http://s51.yousendit.com/e.aspx?id=30QJ1GJOAALJ138HJ9MTLQ7BML

I heard Cuban Linx part deuce is supposed to drop in January, and will have lots of names, not just Wu-Tang.

Stringer Bell
September 11th, 2005, 1:43 AM
Thanks Tap :yes: EDIT: Link's not working bro... get the invalid/stale link error.

OB4CL2 better fucking drop in '05, but I guess I'll be satisfied with January. But heaven's sake, keep it Wu... keep it 90% Rae/Ghost.. fuck!

TapOut
September 11th, 2005, 1:50 AM
*Fuck.. will reupload in a sec....

TapOut
September 11th, 2005, 1:54 AM
Rae said himself that he was trying to keep it gangster for a long time, but got worried people would get tired of his style, so he said that's why he switched the style up on "Lex Diamond Story". I think he said this album would go back to the basics, but would still offer a little diversity as well. There's going to be some Dre production, so I really can't possibly see that as being too bad a thing.

Stringer Bell
September 11th, 2005, 2:37 AM
I didn't mind Lex Diamond, it wasn't bad, just wasn't classic. They should've never butchered "Ice Cream" for that sequel, though.

The big letdown from Rae was Immobilarity. That's exactly how to not follow up one of the greatest hip-hop albums ever recorded.

Any luck with that re-up?

TapOut
September 11th, 2005, 2:38 AM
Here's that link. Hope it works.

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0DF4IFD4890L824BUAZY7AUM4T

Stringer Bell
September 11th, 2005, 2:42 AM
Thanks man, looks to be working fine.

Stringer Bell
September 11th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Yeah, that Raekwon tape is pretty hot. Nice little teaser.

I'm loving the Muggs/GZA shit.. just nuts. Downloading Little Brother's new shit as we speak :yes:

QuietStorm
September 11th, 2005, 12:21 PM
With seven words on live primetime TV, Kanye West pushed the world's attention to a new dimension of the tragedy surrounding Hurricane Katrina, sparking a flurry of debate and an army of support.

"George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Those words — spoken by Kanye during an emotional, unscripted rant during Friday night's hurricane benefit telethon on NBC — provided the crest of a growing wave of criticism against a relief effort that left hundreds of thousands without food, water, electricity or hope for five full days (see "Jay-Z, Diddy, Others Reach Out To Disaster Victims; Kanye West Attacks Bush During Telethon"). They also tapped into some long-standing concerns about the current administration.

"We've been screaming this for five years," David Banner said Tuesday (September 6) of Kanye's remarks. "You listen to your David Banners, Dead Prez, listen to rap music period. This is what rappers have been screaming all the time. The problem is America concentrates more on our cuss words. They don't hear the pain in the music all the time. You just finally had somebody who has the power Kanye has, who said it at the right time."

(What do you think about Kanye West's statement? Do you think the federal government's response has been adequate? Take our poll.)

West certainly isn't the first member of the hip-hop community to speak out against the current administration. Many feel the "compassionate conservative" president has been uncaring and negligent in using federal resources to help Americans in need.

"We can't wait around for the government to help. We're not waiting, we're taking action," Diddy told MTV News on Thursday after donating $1 million to the Red Cross with Jay-Z. "We can find money to bomb people oversees, but not to help our brothers and sisters?"

"It's been seen that the government don't really give a f--- about our situation," T.I. said Tuesday, alleging that if rich white communities were hit as hard as the poor black communities have been, Bush would have ordered aid in a more timely manner. "All those people who are down there without homes and shelter, those are folks from the 'hood. That's the urban community."

"I'm like, 'What is it?' " Twista said Tuesday. " 'What are we looked at as? Do you look at us as less than human?' The response said something. Any other people, people [suffering a catastrophe,] you get people from all over the world to come and jump right on [the problem]. But you get mostly poor and black people, and we get the slow response."

Bush has responded to the growing criticism by conceding that the government's initial response to the disaster was unacceptable. And congressional officials said Bush intends to seek around $40 billion for the next phase of relief (Congress approved $10.5 billion in relief funding last week). Meanwhile, lawmakers are vowing to investigate what delayed aid in the first several days after the hurricane (see "New Orleans Begins Pump-Out Process; Mayor Says Death Toll May Reach 10,000").

T.I., Young Jeezy and hip-hop publication Juice are teaming up to help David Banner's own relief effort via his Heal the Hood Foundation. Banner has been in Mississippi personally giving out food, water and clothing he purchased himself. The hyperactive MC said he's witnessed the unimaginable, like dead babies floating in water.

Banner, Jeezy and T.I. have been putting together an all-star fundraiser at Atlanta's Phillips Arena, and T.I. helped raise more than $265,000 Monday when he went on an Atlanta radio station and solicited donations. Among the contributors were Warner Music Group President Kevin Liles and producers Jermaine Dupri and Dallas Austin, who donated $25,000 apiece.

"I called everybody's bluff who be talking all that ballin' sh--," T.I. said. "Popping all them bottles in the club ... talking about how much girls and jewelry and cars they got. Let's see how much money they've got for a good cause. Basically, I told everybody to put their money where their mouths are, and if you ain't got no money to give to the cause, I don't want to hear that sh-- no more."

Twista is working with Budweiser to hold a benefit concert at the House of Blues in Chicago. Bump J and Do or Die will also be performing. The fastest-rapping MC in hip-hop said he feels it's up to black people to help their own rather than relying on the government.

"They've been bogus, so what is everybody so shocked about?" he said. "I feel the response was real slow, but I look at my own harder than I look at them. I feel like us as black folks were supposed to stop what we was doing, put all that sh-- down and get these [disaster victims] straight."

While Banner continues to help aid the survivors of Katrina, he's still seething over what he feels is a betrayal by his government.

"I don't want to hear the national anthem, dude," he said. "Don't play the national anthem around me no more."

Banner said people can donate to his Heal the Hood Foundation by credit card at HealTheHood.com, and checks can be mailed to P.O. Box 13185, Jackson, MS 39236.

Simon
September 11th, 2005, 1:01 PM
Right, final warnings.

BuckMarley - STOP inciting everything. As much as it is everyone else that's flaming, it's you that's inciting it all. I don't know whether you're doing it deliberately or not, but I'd tend to think you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but the way you're posting it comes off as completely dickheaded. It needs to be said.

Everyone else, get off him.

Week bans from here on in, that applies to everyone involved.

DaRocTric
September 11th, 2005, 1:54 PM
That t.I quote is so f'n true...

DaRocTric
September 11th, 2005, 9:38 PM
Oh man, i fuckin love this Proof album. I havent taken it out of my CD changer since it came out. It goes to show you, where the real talent is. This guy doesnt have Eminem all over his CD, or promoting his cd, and he puts out good music. While people who have Em plastered all over their album suck. Top 5 album of the year, so far.

Stringer Bell
September 11th, 2005, 11:39 PM
No doubt, it's a fun album.. I was expecting a little better after all that wait though. "Kurt Kobaine" is nuts.

Who are you speaking of with Em all over their album though? The last album I can remember like that was Obie's Cheers, and that was actually pretty decent.

Suno
September 12th, 2005, 6:42 AM
Eminem's fallen off hard, his production is crap too, plus I was suppose to go to anger management on friday gone and the faggot cancelled, prick!

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 7:28 AM
Obie's album sucked BM, it was heinous.

Couple of good beats but where did the rapping go?
I'll never buy another Em/50 affiliate's album

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Obie's album is better than a lot of the shit people in here listen to. He's a decent and underrated MC. Not amazing, but much better than you're giving him credit for. Check out his new track "Since They Wanna Know". He's one of the better MC's on Shady/Aftermath.

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 1:21 PM
Nah it's naff man, predictable crap with everyone you'd expect to do collaborations.

Couple of alright tracks, but when a thing like "Got some teeth" is actually a better track on the album...you know it's a cheesy waste of time. Hey, better than Em's last two efforts though.

I don't get it Buck, you go on about people like Trick Daddy and L'il Wayne sucking yet you'll bump Obie as if it's recognised good music.

:dunno:

Raw Is Jonathan
September 12th, 2005, 2:40 PM
OI One Bollock, I won't have you recycling this argument! The lad talks shit, it's what he does, don't embroil yourself in these pathetic and pointless shenanigans! Next time you even think of questioning HIS taste, then I want you to think of me looking at you with a really mean look on my face like I really really mean it!!!

I wanted to go back and get a few older albums, not really old, but you know. However, can't seem to find blacker on both side or internal affairs :( contemplating getting reasonable doubt... yes never really been a fan of jay-z's got the black album though, was nice. Just in a little bit of a rut recently, royce/kanye/de la soul/devin the dude are the only ones getting played on my ipod, need something new and good like, but can't seem to find it anywhere...

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 2:43 PM
You into Das EFX at all, Jon?

If not then look into them :beer:

I spiggidy spark a spliff...

Raw Is Jonathan
September 12th, 2005, 2:45 PM
Can't say I am...

No One Bollock, I know this will be a hard task for you, but explain to me, why exactly I should go out and buy something of Das EFX. Tell me about them. Who are they? Where they from? What they dropped? What should I get of theirs?

Put some pride into this, lad.

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 3:00 PM
They kinda "invented" or popularised the stutter style of rap.
They came up with Parish and Eric Sermon in the Hit Squad but they obviously moved with Parish after EPMD split for a while.
The two members are Skoob and Krazy Dayz, they came out with Dead Serious in about 1992 - don't quote me on that.

I'm not a huge fan, I just own their best of album but it has some seriously good stuff on there.

Download:

"Mic Checka" - remix is good too
"They Want EFX" - madness, absolutely crazy track
"Dum Dums"
"Microphone Master" feat Mobb Deep
"Rap Scholar" feat Redman

They'll give you a taste and if They Want EFX doesn't hit you then don't even bother with anything else.

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 5:20 PM
Definitely get Reasonable Doubt, especially if you've never heard it..

Yes, Trick Daddy and Lil Wayne are weak lyricists. However, Trick can switch up his style/subject matter a bit, but Wayne is always on the same bling/bitches/cars/money shit. Obie Trice on the other hand, is a decent MC with a pretty widespread amount of topics. Like I said, he's far from amazing, but you're trashing him like he's total shit... he's a much better lyricist than Lil Wayne. You say the guest appearances made the album bad.. what does that have to do with his skills? Did you listen to the song I mentioned?

Das EFX is some fun ass hip-hop. I remember listening to the CD with "They Want EFX", it was some of the first hip-hop I got into.

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 5:45 PM
I didn't trash Obie like he was shit.

Obie is as good as he performs - which is mediocre. Without Em or Aftermath he'd be a bad independent artist, someone who would find it hard to get signed.
There's a reason for that.

TapOut
September 12th, 2005, 5:47 PM
I found Obie's album to be the same tired, recycled stuff with the same beats. The thing I like about Lil' Wayne is that out of all the Cash Money crew, he has the most intricate beats. The 'Walk In' 'Walk Out' beat was off the hook on that album, so good that I would buy the album just for those songs. As a lyricist, I'm not going to debate his skills, I'll admit he's not that great, but he's far from bad or being the worst.

But as I was saying, Obie's album reminds me of Yayo's. Okay, but way too average to grab my attention.

I won't trash Em's production though. As much as it pained me to see Tupac giving shout-outs to Eminem on 'Loyal To the Game', I have to admit the beats were great and given his goal, I think he succeded. I just wish it hadn't been yet ANOTHER Tupac album. Had that album been produced for someone else, I probably would have liked it a lot more.

As for Bizarre, I didn't care for the album at all, but I found Hip-Hop to be a good song, good beat, and above-average lyrics.

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 5:48 PM
Wayne is always on the same bling/bitches/cars/money shit.

I still get the feeling you've never actually listened to 90% of the artists that you come on here and blindly trash everyday..

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 5:49 PM
As for Bizarre, I didn't care for the album at all, but I found Hip-Hop to be a good song, good beat, and above-average lyrics.



Ahahahaha, shush

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 5:50 PM
Eminem's a shitty producer. He wrecked that Loyal To the Game album.. I couldn't even listen to some of those beats. It's pretty clear to see when the two tracks with other producers outshine almost everything else.

As for Wayne.. Okay, let's throw in some killing, drug dealing, and tough talk too.. I understand you've lived that lifestyle and love hearing about it, but it's pretty weak when you can't find any other subject matter.

Please explain how Wayne is anything different. Nothing seperates him from any other commercial artist.

Dan The Man
September 12th, 2005, 5:59 PM
That's pretty big praise for Lil Wayne there.

I mean, according to Buck, there's nothing separating him from "commercial artists" like Tupac, Wu, Jay, Nas, Kanye... and here I was thinking you didn't like him...

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 6:03 PM
You see, that's not all he talks about.. If you actually take the time to LISTEN to other things you might see that.. Example: you base Banner's whole existance on one song instead of actually listening to his work.. Similar to how you're basing Wayne's subject matter on some singles.. Maybe if you tear yourself away from online reviews for awhile you might see that not all artists can be based soley on singles and what other "smart" Hip Hopers have to say..

Simon
September 12th, 2005, 6:03 PM
Eminem's stepped up his production. It's still poor compared to the best, and the artists he's producing for are of far too high status (and occasionally ability) to be having their albums produced by a guy who is, when it comes down to it, a rookie. The potential is definitely there, and he's come up with the odd beat that's fantastic - Lose Yourself, Renegade, Til I Collapse, 8 Mile, Soldier, Like Toy Soldiers - his problem is that he's very formulaic, half his beats sound exactly the same. But when he goes off that worn path (like in all the tracks I've mentioned, coincidentally or not), he sometimes comes up with something gold.

I appreciate that a couple of those - Lose Yourself certainly - are co-produced, probably even outright ghosted, but even the formulaic nature of his productions still sometimes has a nice twist on it - the remix of Warrior by Banks is reasonably nice, and both 911 by Boo Yah Tribe and Welcome To D Block by Jada are hard-hitting, powerful beats. They don't sound all that different to the complete cack he puts out (Go To Sleep, Bang Heads, When The Music Stops...), but they're much better.

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 6:03 PM
You knew what I meant, Dan *ignore*

I've listened to all of Banner's work since the album with "Like a Pimp". All I said was he wouldn't be remembered like Lil Jon, and he won't.

I've heard everything from Wayne, I even own "The Block Iz Hot" :( He's junk. What else does he talk about? He's another commercial/material rapper with somewhat better mic skills than most rapper like him, so everyone rides his nuts. He's doesn't have shit for subject matter.

I'll agree that Em's improving, but that Pac album was horrid.

TapOut
September 12th, 2005, 6:08 PM
Ahahahaha, shush

Um.... but I really did like it. :$

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 6:12 PM
Anyone got an mp3 of Kanye and John Mayer's "Bittersweet"? I've only got a clip, and it sounds pretty catchy..

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 6:13 PM
I've listened to all of Banner's work since the album with "Like a Pimp". All I said was he wouldn't be remembered like Lil Jon, and he won't.

As I said, maybe not on a national/gobal scale but he's a ghetto legand round here..

Kinda like UGK or Face.. Most "real niggas" are gonna remember them long after Lil Jon is forgotten.. But again, you wouldn't know anything about that because you're looking down on this from a pedestal..

I'm sure you also think that Fat Joe will be remember moreso than Mobb Deep, don't it?? Because that's exactly what you're saying about Banner/Lil Jon, just up north...

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 6:16 PM
Fat Joe hasn't impacted the rap game like Mobb Deep did. They almost single-handedly ushered in the sound of grimey/hardcore NY hip-hop with The Infamous.

I understand what you're saying about Banner/Lil Jon, but I'm talking on a national level, not just your region. Why are we still arguing over this dumb shit, anyway? Let's get back to it in a few years and see where they are ;)

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 6:25 PM
:banghead:

First of all, Enter the 36th Chamber came out a whole year before the Infamous and it was grimey as fuck.. Secondly, Banner first exposed Jacktown music to the world.. Mobb Deep never had alot of commecial sucess, kinda like Banner.. As I see it, you simply think Mobb Deep had a bigger impact because of where they are from.. Banner is on the same level as them, except having less years in the game.. I still truly believe you blindly hate most Southern rap so you come up with comparasons that are for the most part ridiculas.. Saying Lil Jon will be more remember than Banner, why?? Commercial sucess?? No, because you say Mobb Deep will be more remembered than Fat Joe and were less secessful on a national scale.. I just don't get where you get your information and also why you think your opinion should be looked at as fact??

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 6:31 PM
Can you two stop this, it's pretty obvious you're both just having a go.
No need for it.


Fact of the matter is, Hip Hop fans remember who they liked. L'il Jon will most likely be remembered by a wider group than will remember David Banner - but then who has the most spins worldwide?
Ask yourself why, too - is L'il John really better than Banner...or is it just a record company thing?

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 6:38 PM
I simply get tired of his ignorance.. Remarks like


Wayne is always on the same bling/bitches/cars/money shit.

are bullshit and proves to me he doesn't know shit about most of the Southern Hip Hop he constantly talks shit about.. It's a blind dislike, yet he comes on here and tries to sell his OPINION as FACT and never backs up shit he says.. Gotten old pretty quick..

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 6:40 PM
I realise that, but even you are going to have to admit that Wayne does do a lot of formula rapping - but then that's not surprising, rap is often about formula's nowadays.

Buck probably doesn't mean any direspect by it, he just talks a lot of shit.

We can't go around hating people for their opinions though, that would just be silly.

Simon
September 12th, 2005, 6:42 PM
Krispy, Marley - stop replying to each other, simple as that. If you're not willing to be civil, that is. I lost patience with this a long time ago, if you two can't just post your opinions and get on with it without all this uppity condascending crap, you can both sit out. Don't make me do it because I really don't want to, I'm pretty liberal in this forum generally but you two in particular are beginning to take the piss.

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 6:43 PM
His opinion of Southern Hip Hop comes off more as a biased stereotype than anything substancial..

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 6:49 PM
36 Chambers dawg.. and yes, but it wasn't on that same tip. Grimey and raw, but Mobb had a different sort of style. Lest animated and charasmatic, more dark and gloomy..




Everything I said about Wayne is true. You haven't even attempted to prove me wrong, you've just said I'm wrong..

Exactly what I'm talking about, STOP THIS SHIT.

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 6:55 PM
:dunno: He didn't attempt to prove me wrong.. just saying someone's wrong means shit, at least provide some evidence.

Whatever.

Kris P. Lettus
September 12th, 2005, 6:56 PM
Man, fuck this thread as long as dude is posting in here..

It's been real..

peas

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 7:21 PM
:wave:

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 7:23 PM
Buck, if you say one more thing about a rapper you don't like - when you know fine well plenty of people know more about them than you do and like them a hell of a lot more....I wont give two shits when you get perma banned.

That's all, and I've been passive in this so far so just chill.

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 7:28 PM
What was the point of that post?

I know Lil Wayne's work just fine, he's a shitty fucking rapper. That style is everything wrong with hip-hop today.

TapOut
September 12th, 2005, 7:30 PM
:nono:..

Simon will be none to pleased when he steps back in here.....

Stringer Bell
September 12th, 2005, 7:35 PM
At least I've provided evidence to back up my opinion :dunno:

I'm having people tell me I don't know certain artists, when I've heard damn near their whole catalogue.

Fuck it, give me a ban, it would make no sense though. I don't throw out ridiculous, childish insults. I state my opinion and back it up.. what's wrong with that? Regardless of how I do it..

Morrison
September 12th, 2005, 7:39 PM
Yeah it would, because you've disregarded Simon's warnings just as much as other people in this thread. You could have been the bigger man and just dropped the bullshit, dropped the attitude and posted like you aren't the Stephen Hawking of hip-hop, but you didn't. That alone will justify any length of ban.

Simon
September 12th, 2005, 7:40 PM
Fuck it, give me a ban, it would make no sense though.It makes perfect sense. I told you, and told you, and told you, and told you, and told you to drop it, and you didn't. I gave THREE final warnings for fuck sake. Krispy finally stepped back from it, you didn't. See ya.

Morrison
September 12th, 2005, 7:42 PM
See, me and Simon are on the same wave, man...

Simon
September 12th, 2005, 7:46 PM
I was here first, biter.

Morrison
September 12th, 2005, 7:47 PM
Touche...

Simon
September 12th, 2005, 7:51 PM
:D

Judas Iscariot
September 12th, 2005, 7:56 PM
I'm crunk.

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 8:27 PM
How did I know tonight was going to end with a banning?

He can't be reasoned with.

Judas Iscariot
September 12th, 2005, 8:31 PM
One.
One two.
Check me out right here, yo
Yo, the sun don't shine forever
But as long as it's here, then we might as well shine together
Better now than never
Business before pleasure
P. Diddy and the Fam, who you know do it better?

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 8:38 PM
Been around the world and I, I, I...

Simon
September 12th, 2005, 8:40 PM
Been around the world and I, I, I...NAAAAAAAAAAAAA


In the commission, you ask for permission to hit 'em...

Judas Iscariot
September 12th, 2005, 8:41 PM
I'm in yo mama's crib waitin'

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 8:47 PM
Went from bad boys to the crushed linen men
Now my divi-dends be the new benjamins (uh-huh)
Hoes of all complexions, I like cinnamon
Mase you got some hoes well nigga, send em in (c’mon)

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 8:47 PM
bumcheeks, I appear to have double posted.

Judas Iscariot
September 12th, 2005, 8:51 PM
Squeeze off 'til I empty
Don't tempt me
Only to hell I send thee
All about the benjies
What?

I own three rap albums. Big Willie Style, When Disaster Strikes, and No Way Out. Three best EVER as far as I'm concerned.

Seanny One Ball
September 12th, 2005, 8:52 PM
I actually have Big Willie Style :beer:
It's a fucking good album.

QuietStorm
September 13th, 2005, 5:24 PM
7 days til Hell's Winter. 7 days til The Hip Hop Violinist. I pre-ordered both yesterday.

TapOut
September 13th, 2005, 6:09 PM
I actually have Big Willie Style :beer:
It's a fucking good album.

That album was actually very good. I haven't enjoyed anything of his since (other than Wild, Wild West... it sampled Stevie Wonder's "I Wish", so that automatically makes it great). But that and the Men In Black Soundtrack was great... Just Cruisin', We Just Wanna Party With You, all good tracks.

Fro
September 15th, 2005, 1:23 AM
I'm downloading Little Brother's The Listening now... I've yet to hear it. All the talk about The Minstrel Show helped me finally get around to getting it. High expectations.

DuffDaddy
September 15th, 2005, 2:24 AM
The Little Brother album is fantastic. Quality hip-hop with a touch of humor, its a great listen.

Strange that Buck was banned for speaking his opinion. I didn't see him using any immature insults or bullshit... yet he's the one who gets banned?

TapOut
September 15th, 2005, 5:36 PM
Ahahahahahahahaha.

Kris P. Lettus
September 15th, 2005, 5:39 PM
Strange that Buck was banned for speaking his opinion. I didn't see him using any immature insults or bullshit... yet he's the one who gets banned?

He's an instagator.. Also an uppity bitch.. He was told to drop it numerous times before Simon actually took action.. He dug his own grave really..

On topic:


Big Boi Unfurls Purple Ribbon At Virgin


By Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

OutKast principal Big Boi is ramping up for the launch of his Purple Ribbon imprint via Virgin. The first release will be a compilation from the Purple Ribbon All-Stars on Oct. 4, led by the single "Kryptonite" featuring Big Boi, Killer Mike, C-Bone and Rock D. It will be followed later in the fall by new albums from Killer Mike and former Interscope rapper Bubba Sparxxx ("Space Mountain").

Beyond those acts, Janelle Monet, Scar and Koncrete, Big Boi tells Billboard.com Purple Ribbon has also signed Sleepy Brown and is in the process of securing the services of veteran Southern rap act Goodie Mob. The artist is expected to hold a press conference to discuss the label Friday (Aug. 12) in Atlanta along with Killer Mike, Sparxxx, Brown, Monet, Scar and Koncrete.

"I'm going to try to bring the whole family back together like Voltron," he says with a laugh.

At Virgin, Big Boi will be working directly with producer/Virgin president of urban music Jermaine Dupri. "It's cool to have somebody you know in a power position that can make things happen for you in a timely fashion," Big Boi says of Dupri. "He can push the button real fast. That's what I've been waiting for."

Indeed, Big Boi has been recording material with the Purple Ribbon stable for the past few years in anticipation of linking with a bigger label. As such, he and his artists have a ton of material either finished or nearly ready to hit the marketplace.

"If I'm not producing with Boom Boom Room Productions, I'm rhyming on a whole bunch of stuff," he says. "I'm probably on at least two or three songs on each record. Not because I felt obligated to do it, but certain songs I just loved and wanted to be a part of. What better way to promote yourself than promote yourself? On Purple Ribbon, you have a lot of artists, but you have myself, which adds a valuable asset. I'm not charging $100,000 for a verse; my artists get it for free."

As previously reported, OutKast is planning to reactivate this fall with the Jive release of a soundtrack album to accompany its first film, tentatively titled "My Life in Idlewild."


Records and OutKast’s Big Boi to Bow Purple Ribbon/Virgin Releases With Compilation Project by Purple Ribbon All-Stars and New Album by Bubba Sparxxx

Big Boi, best-known as one-half of the hip-hop superduo OutKast, will release at least two albums this year on his Purple Ribbon custom label through Virgin, it was announced today. The first releases under the arrangement will include a new album by Top 3-charting Southern rapper Bubba Sparxxx, and a Purple Ribbon All-Stars compilation album that will be previewed by the bumping posse track "Kryptonite," from the Purple Ribbon All-Stars featuring Big Boi, Killer Mike, C-Bone and Rock D, as well as the ingenious and melodic electronic R&B dance tune "U Got Me" by Scar featuring Big Boi.

"Big Boi is a champion of creative daring," Virgin Chairman/CEO Matt Serletic commented. "His originality and ambition is obvious in the phenomenal ten-year trajectory of his band OutKast -- and in the atmosphere of freedom and out-of-the-box thinking that are his trademarks. All of his fans here at Virgin are delighted to work with him and be a part of his revolutionary musical vision."

Jermaine Dupri, President of Virgin’s urban music, added, "I’m happy to have a situation where I can work with Big Boi. Not just because we’re both from Atlanta, but because of his creativity, his musical ear and his ability to find new talent. His association with Virgin will add to the excitement that I’m bringing to the label."

Purple Ribbon founder Big Boi said : "I want to call Virgin home, and Purple Ribbon is the means for me to do that." Referring to his successful Atlanta-based dog breeding business, Big Boi explained the name of the label : "My ’Purple Ribbon’ dogs have a strong blood line that goes back three generations. I want to put out potent funk music. Purple Ribbon is gonna be so strong you can smell it." Big Boi notes : "This is a Big Boi thang, not an OutKast thang. I’m doing films, but music is my first love."

Big Boi recently guested on Virgin Records artist Brooke Valentine’s smash debut single "Girlfight," along with fellow Georgia super-producer Lil Jon ; he has also charted previously in solo step-outs with Omarion, Killer Mike, Trick Daddy and Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott.

The second release from the venture will be from southern MC Bubba Sparxxx. Bubba Sparxxx debuted at No. 3 on the Billboard Top 200 albums in 2001 with "Dark Days, Bright Nights," driven by the ingenious radio and video hit, "Ugly." His upcoming Purple Ribbon/Virgin album, "Space Mountain," is scheduled for an October 2005 release and is preceded by the hard, dirty south-style track "Hey !"

Big Boi (Antwan Patton) and Andre 3000 (Andre Benjamin) formed OutKast as Atlanta high-schoolers, signing their first recording contract just prior to graduating. From their first releases in 1994, the gold-certified single "Players’ Ball," and the platinum-selling album "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik," OutKast’s far-flung eclecticism and musical assurance set the act apart. Gradually taking charge of their own production, OutKast is one of the relatively few rap artists to grow in commercial success over a long series of albums, instead of peaking with their first release : their studio albums "ATLiens" (now double-platinum), "Aquemini" (double-platinum) and "Stankonia" (quadruple-platinum) all set successively higher sales records for the group.

OutKast topped themselves and the entire music industry with the unique double-solo album "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below," which presented Big Boi and Andre 3000 as solo artists, packaged together as OutKast. In mid-2005, it remains the most recently-released album to attain the 10-million unit Diamond Award sales certification from the RIAA. The album held the Number One position on the Billboard Top 200 album sales chart for 3 weeks in 2003 and 2 additional weeks in 2004. The group has sold over 50 million albums worldwide.

I just heard the first single and this wholw situation sounds promising..

QuietStorm
September 15th, 2005, 6:23 PM
I hate Little Brother, mainly because 9th Wonder is shit and overrated.

Seanny One Ball
September 16th, 2005, 5:19 PM
Strange that Buck was banned for speaking his opinion. I didn't see him using any immature insults or bullshit... yet he's the one who gets banned?


Tap was the only one that saw how obvious this was Buck?

Dan The Man
September 16th, 2005, 5:30 PM
Well between the Virginia location and the appearance just to bring up Buck's ban despite a full two other posts in this thread, I had no idea. You can't hide an identity much better than that.

Seanny One Ball
September 16th, 2005, 5:37 PM
Well between the Virginia location and the appearance just to bring up Buck's ban despite a full two other posts in this thread, I had no idea. You can't hide an identity much better than that.


Yes you can, tattoo "I'm from Europe" on your balls.

The perfect plan.

Dan The Man
September 16th, 2005, 5:44 PM
Hindsight is 20/20, but this is pretty great too:

31 August, 9.34pm (http://forums.rajah.com/showpost.php?p=3669906&postcount=3825): Buck posts, but forgets he's signed in as DuffDaddy and has to edit his post.
31 August, 9.35pm (http://forums.rajah.com/showpost.php?p=3669911&postcount=3826): Buck logs out as DuffDaddy, signs in as BuckMarley and posts his original thought.

Seanny One Ball
September 16th, 2005, 5:46 PM
Silly bastard, tricks are for fuckheads

TapOut
September 16th, 2005, 6:11 PM
I bet he thought not adding a smiley would throw us off.

Dan The Man
September 16th, 2005, 7:39 PM
http://static.flickr.com/24/43533510_50241b40a9_o.jpg

jesus sucks
September 16th, 2005, 9:05 PM
blahahaha. BUFF DADDY!

Raw Is Jonathan
September 17th, 2005, 10:11 AM
Wanted to get AZ's new album yesterday so went to check HMV in the Bullring, but to no avail... did happen to pick up Common's 'Be' though, a nice purchase that. After the first listen, really liked the 'Testify' track, but overall a good solid effort, easy album to listen to anyway.

jesus sucks
September 17th, 2005, 10:16 AM
common rips it on every song. very nice lyrics. beatswise, it's ok. above average at least.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 17th, 2005, 10:27 AM
I thought a few of the beats were a bit weak, but that's only nitpicking like. One of them where I can kick back, enjoy myself and not give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks, know what I'm saying?

Heheh, Everton, hahaha.

John Legend, hearing his voice made me want to get some real good r'n'b, is there any around?

TapOut
September 17th, 2005, 11:27 AM
I thought a few of the beats were a bit weak, but that's only nitpicking like. One of them where I can kick back, enjoy myself and not give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks, know what I'm saying?

Heheh, Everton, hahaha.

John Legend, hearing his voice made me want to get some real good r'n'b, is there any around?
Depends on what kind of RnB you're looking for.

R. Kelly's older stuff is awesome. TP.3 Reloaded isn't great if you're looking strictly for RnB, but he does have a lot of good songs from other albums: I Wish, You're Body's Callin', When a Woman's Fed Up, If I Could Turn Back The Hands of Time, I'm Your Angel, I Can't Sleep and pretty much anything on the "Happy People/U Saved Me" album.

Then there's a lot of other artists like The Isley Brothers recent albums, 'Eternal' and 'Bodykiss', Avant is really good, Donnell Jones is good, and I just got Charlie Wilson's album yesterday, "Charlie, Last Name Wilson". Very good stuff. Then there's the women: Alicia Keys, Jill Scott, Marsha Ambrosius and Floetry. They're probably the best three around right now.

John Legend's stuff is unique, and he's got a better hip-hop crossover appeal than most of the artists I mentioned though.

'Used to Love You' and 'Let's Get Lifted' > .....

Raw Is Jonathan
September 17th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Would you recommend picking up Legend?

Not a massive r'n'b fan per se, but do love the odd song. My taste is more of like 'Round & Round' by Hi-Tek and 'Missing You' by Case. Don't suppose there are any good compilations around... no there probably aren't to be fair. I just want something different to lie back and listen to every now and again with a little bit of soul.

jesus sucks
September 17th, 2005, 12:46 PM
i can't stand r&b. but i've got john legend, it's a decent album but mainly because i got it for 7 pounds. it's the kind of music you'd play while getting stoned or sitting off with a bird etc.

he's got a good voice, i like his songs more for his singing flow than the actual music/beats.

if you can get it cheap and you've got spare cash, it's worth picking up. "#1 featuring kanye west" is a monster tune aswell.

my fav john legend verse is the one on "Home". on the kanye west freshmen adjustment compilation. totally rips it. :yes:

TapOut
September 17th, 2005, 1:48 PM
Would you recommend picking up Legend?

Not a massive r'n'b fan per se, but do love the odd song. My taste is more of like 'Round & Round' by Hi-Tek and 'Missing You' by Case. Don't suppose there are any good compilations around... no there probably aren't to be fair. I just want something different to lie back and listen to every now and again with a little bit of soul.

I would say Legend is worth picking up. Take that for what it's worth. I'm partial to RnB, so I can't really give an unbiased reccomendation, other than the fact that I know a lot of people who I've let hear the album enjoy it.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 17th, 2005, 1:56 PM
You've made my mind up, when I next get paid, I'm getting it. Sort of killed my wages this month, tell you what, get a mammoth pay rise and you blow it before you've got it...

Seanny One Ball
September 17th, 2005, 3:02 PM
Did you look into Das EFX or just blow them off you shitbag?

TapOut
September 17th, 2005, 5:07 PM
Also, if RiJ, you can get lots of live performances and unreleased Legend material off of Ares. I've even got a live, piano acoustic version of him and Kanye singing "All Falls Down". Here it is, if you (or anyone else) would like to hear it.

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0S8S7BM83TJEC3IPSR3WRLHQ7O

Kris P. Lettus
September 17th, 2005, 5:14 PM
What is up with all these ODB albums.. Two new ones out, one of which I bought because it has a bonus DVD of his videos.. The other says it's a soundtrack to a movie..

O_o

Anyone know what's up with this??

Dan The Man
September 17th, 2005, 5:17 PM
He must have Tupac's agent.

TapOut
September 17th, 2005, 5:19 PM
What is up with all these ODB albums.. Two new ones out, one of which I bought because it has a bonus DVD of his videos.. The other says it's a soundtrack to a movie..

O_o

Anyone know what's up with this??
Capitalising on his death would be my first guess. Ever since Ray Charles died, I've seen shitloads of footage, budget CD's and the likes with his name on it. Just today at Wal-Mart, I see that they have some old talkshow on DVD which only features episodes with Ray Charles on it.

I looked at some mixtape sections and there are shitloads of ODB mixtapes now too.

Kris P. Lettus
September 17th, 2005, 5:19 PM
I said the exact same thing yesterday.. He has had just as many album come out since his death than he released while alive..

spanish announce table
September 17th, 2005, 8:16 PM
What is up with all these ODB albums.. Two new ones out, one of which I bought because it has a bonus DVD of his videos.. The other says it's a soundtrack to a movie..

O_o

Anyone know what's up with this??

One of them is a greatest hits album, and I dont know what the other one is, unless you're talking about the Ason Unique album. That was supposed to come out August 9th, but Dame Dash Music Group has pushed it back multiple times.

Has the Public Enemy/Paris album been released yet? I saw advertisements for August 30th, but no store has it.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 18th, 2005, 11:36 AM
Did you look into Das EFX or just blow them off you shitbag?

Call me a bag of shit again and you'll be in a spot of bother laddy! Ordered their greatest hits, along with Reasonable Doubt and A.W.O.L yest. :yes:

Kris P. Lettus
September 18th, 2005, 11:58 AM
One of them is a greatest hits album, and I dont know what the other one is, unless you're talking about the Ason Unique album. That was supposed to come out August 9th, but Dame Dash Music Group has pushed it back multiple times.


Both tracklists looked like "best of" thang thangs...

Seanny One Ball
September 19th, 2005, 7:39 AM
Call me a bag of shit again and you'll be in a spot of bother laddy! Ordered their greatest hits, along with Reasonable Doubt and A.W.O.L yest. :yes:


Nice, the Das greatest hits is what I've got.

Fucking immense.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 22nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
I'll let you know what I think.

Bear in mind I can afford the train fee to Scotland...

Seanny One Ball
September 22nd, 2005, 1:35 PM
No you can't, and even then there's no train that would take you to Blair.

I can recommend terrible albums to you if I feel the need, mwahaha

Das are good though, skibbidy bibbidy boooo

QuietStorm
September 22nd, 2005, 5:57 PM
Great Cage review from HipHopDX.com....



Cage - Hell's Winter

Monday - September 19, 2005

J-23

Cage is one of the few indy artists thriving today that was around during the underground resurgence in the mid-to-late 90’s. To this day, his debut single “Agent Orange” remains his most successful piece of work. Had I not heard “Hell’s Winter,” I would be saying it remained his finest piece of work as well. Shedding most of his Cage persona for his Christian Palko person, Cage has created an entirely different beast than we’ve come to expect from him.

Gone is the semi-psychotic, misogynist rapping about dust and mescaline, replaced by a man explaining why he ever rapped about that in the first place. It may have had something to do with being forced to inject heroin into his father’s arm as a child (“Too Heavy For Cherubs”), or just watching his father beat his mother and get dishonourably discharged from the army for selling h (“Stripes”). Or maybe it was just because of all the drugs the now sober Cage indulged in (“Peeranoia”). While the content is different, the style in which he delivers it hasn’t changed a bit. You’re still hard-pressed to find an emcee with more vivid and disturbing imagery in his rhymes. In describing a take-home-to-mom type girl in “Scenester” he claims “she put the razor to her arm and dug so many gashes/I coulda wrote this song between all the slashes/funny how you never opened a vein to out you/but your vain enough to think this song is about you.” His unsettling cinema is never better than on “Subtle Art of the Break-Up Song.” After a K-induced car crash on his girls birthday he laments; “I picked my face up with glass in it/can’t remember the last minute/glove box, my girl’s face, mashed in it/I called her name out but she ain’t respond/pulled her shoulder back, touched arm/her entire fucking face is gone...I pump my fist to bleed out to catch her and let the worms play/and tell her I’m sorry I gave her death for her birthday.”

Cage isn’t the only one shining bright during “Hell’s Winter,” his production team brings some of the illest production heard this year. A rare DJ Shadow appearance (“Grand Ol’ Party Crash), has him bringing the fury on the drum machine. Fellow instrumentalist Blockhead also chimes in with some extraordinarily fitting backdrops (“Too Heavy For Cherubs,” “Stripes,” “Scenester”). In the end it is really El-P and Camu Tao who stand out, producing or co-producing some incredible songs (“Good Morning,” “The Death of Chris Palko,” “Left It To Us,” “Lord Have Mercy,” and the title track). Much to my surprise, the albums weakest track comes courtesy of Rjd2. While the sleepy production from Rj on “Shoot Frank” doesn’t do much damage, the gut-wrenching hook and bridge ruins it. In fact, a few week hooks are about the only flaws on this album (see “Scenester” and “Perfect World”).

Cage’s defection from EC (who gets it on “Public Property”), to Def Jux, has made a world of difference in his music. Not only is his production much better, but he is making songs rather than just 3 16’s and a hook over a beat. Couple that with his improved flow, delivery, and incredible content and you’ve got yourself one hell of an album. Cage basically encapsulates the album in the final bars of the album’s final song; “Until the worms eat my flesh I guess they better burn me/these are the thoughts of a child I’d keep ‘til 30/I lacked patience until I was packed with patients/in a mental facility, force fed all the wrong medication/prozac guinea pig I don’t feel bi-polar/but I got a folder that claims I am in a stack that reaches my shoulder/music my savoir in every instance/makes everyone of you a profit to my existence.” Now we truly know why his brain was infected by devils…

Raw Is Jonathan
September 23rd, 2005, 4:02 PM
Just pre-ordered Dangerdoom.

:hyper:

QuietStorm
September 23rd, 2005, 4:45 PM
Whoop-de-frickin-do. Get Hell's Winter.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 24th, 2005, 9:26 AM
PFFT.

I'm not into anything with meaning at the moment dammit! In fact, I'm considering purchasing Will Smiths 'Greatest Hits' as I type this!

Actually, read that above... perhaps I may pick it up... perhaps.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 24th, 2005, 9:31 AM
Hold up...

Blackilicious have released another album? Anyone got it?

QuietStorm
September 24th, 2005, 10:58 AM
No, but I will eventually.

Raw Is Jonathan
September 24th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Have you got it yet?

QuietStorm
September 24th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Haven't listened to it, no.

Kris P. Lettus
September 24th, 2005, 12:01 PM
I'm pretty sure it's badass considering they've never done anything that's not..

jesus sucks
September 24th, 2005, 2:35 PM
listening to volume three at the moment while chillin'. i think jay-z's flow is fucking immense on this album.

first time i've listened to it in at least 3 or 4 years.

do it again
dope man (monster of a tune here)
things that u do
s.carter
hova interlude
big pimpin
is that yo bitch
anything
jigga my nigga

all good little songs.

Seanny One Ball
September 24th, 2005, 7:35 PM
Jigga my nigga...that nigga jigga


Great lyricism....

Deka
September 24th, 2005, 7:40 PM
Anybody listen to Chamillionaire?

Kris P. Lettus
September 24th, 2005, 9:54 PM
Use to back in the day right after Swisha House broke up..

TapOut
September 25th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Krispy..

What did you think of the new David Banner?

I got it today. I'm not a big fan of southern crunk stuff, and I'm not really a fan of Banner too much. But.. this album is very decent. He stays away from the generic beats (Trillville, Scrappy, Paul Wall) and has some very decent sounds on it. As soon as I heard the awesome electric guitar riffs on the opening track, I knew I might enjoy this album.

Sure, there are some average tracks on here, but 2 Fingers, Thinking of You and My Life are all above-average tracks, both beatwise and lyrically.

So yeah, I wasn't blown away by the album, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Deka
September 25th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Use to back in the day right after Swisha House broke up..

I haven't heard any of his old stuff, or none of his new stuff, really. But, I just caught his new single, "Get Your Shine On" with Lil' Flip and I love it.

The beat is crazy, plus I love how this guy spits. And I also saw the video, which is great, too. Though, I'm probably biased there, because I'm really into the H-Town southern rap-style videos, they just come off as more grimey, while still having all the bling, rims, and girls.

Simon
September 27th, 2005, 2:25 PM
jigga my nigga

all good little songs.Intro to that song is enormously brilliant, to the extent that the rest of the song is a let down. Still good, but doesn't stand up to the quality of that intro.

Seanny One Ball
September 27th, 2005, 4:46 PM
I wish RiJ would tell me what he thinks of Das EFX.

:\

TapOut
September 27th, 2005, 9:12 PM
Just downloaded and listened to the new Twista, "The Day After". It's not out yet, but the full album is widely available. Hot shit, it is. Even better than Kamikaze, although I was kinda hoping for another duet with either R. Kelly or Kanye. But we do get a nice cut with Jamie Foxx and Pharrell, "When I Get You Home".
Not as good as Slow Jamz, but still good.

The intro and So Lonely w/ Mariah Carey is great too. Hit the Floor with Pitbull has a nice latin hip-hop feel to it.

Just a good album. 8 out of 10. Man, Twista is fucking awesome now that he's got some grade-A production. His flow and lyrics were always great, but now, he's just perfect since going mainstream.

TRO
September 29th, 2005, 4:28 AM
I'm pretty sure it's badass considering they've never done anything that's not..

Not a hard prediction to make, but you are totally right. "The Craft" = awesomeness. :D

I was a little scared it'd be disappointing, like Gab's solo album, but a few listens threw those fears out the door. There's no way they could've surpassed the aesthetic heights of "Blazing Arrow", so they've just made an album full of great beats and Gab's usual incredible spitting. It just bumps like nothing they've done in the past.

They've got the usual slate of Quannum guest stars, plus Floetry, George Clinton, who still sounds great, and some others. Basically, I love this album after only a few listens. I guess we'll see if it still sounds good in 3 years after I've played it hundreds of times like "Blazing Arrow", but this is about on par with Blackalicious' previous efforts, which I think is pretty high praise...

Stringer Bell
September 29th, 2005, 12:16 PM
I'm back lovers <3

Twista.. perfect? Eh, I won't even get started there. I was pretty let down by the new album. He'll never make another Adrenaline Rush, easily his best album. But yeah, the new album.. too many tracks for the ladies. I can understand/tolerate a handful, but we're talking like 10 out of 15 tracks. I liked Kamikaze more, but he's never been one of my favorites.

Cage's shit is F'ing incredible. Major props to QS for sending me the promo back in July. It's probably my favorite rap album of 2005 right now. Absolutely mind-blowing production from everyone from RJD2 to El-P to DJ Shadow. Cage is sobered up and sounds so focused it's ridiculous. It's one of the only CDs I actually bought this year .. that says a lot.

Little Brother's album is a lot of fun. It's not classic, it's not album of the year.. but it's a chill little album. They've done some improving on the mic, and 9th is impressive as always on the beats. Still getting a lot of spins from me. "Good Morning", "The Becoming", "Say It Again", "Lovin' It", "All For You", "Still Lives Through".. all great tracks. Anyone hear about how BET refused to play the "Lovin' It" video because it was "too intelligent" for their audience? So ridiculous.. I guess spoon-feeding them more Bow Wow is the way to go, huh?

Congratulations to Three Six Mafia for crafting what seems to be the most annoying song of the year. High-igih-g-higih-g-h....

The new Blackalicious is indeed great. I saw them on the 17th in a small little club, it was fucking awesome. They did mostly new tracks, but also old classics like "Deception" and "Make You Feel That Way". Just a really fun live show.. I recommend you go see Gab and co. if you get a chance. This NY experimental/hip-hop group opened, APSCI.. they were decent. But yeah, The Craft is an awesome album. Blackalicious always come with quality hip-hop, always.

Where's all the people that were calling Late Registration a classic? I'm already getting sick of that album.. "Gone" seems to be the only track that withstands time for me.

Watching Rap City these days, I'm almost ashamed to be a hip-hop fan. Between Chamillionaire, P$C, Choppacity, and whatever other garbage they have in constant rotation, I found myself gagging throughout the show :p

Anybody hear about how Lil Kim got 5 mics in The Source? Fucking ridiculous. I know the Source isn't exactly the most credible magazine these days, but their mic system used to mean everything for hip-hop reviews. Only true classics got the 5 mic stamp of approval.. I'm talking ATCQ joints, NWA Straight outta Compton, Illmatic, Ready To Die, 36 Chambers, Aquemini, The Blueprint, etc... Now they give 5 mics to Lil fucking Kim? It'd be one thing if her album was actually hot... can't wait to read that joke of a review.

What else.. that VH1 Hip Hop Honors was a fun little show. Probably the best thing on TV for hip-hop all year. I marked out for LL in his old get-up.. Snoop/Ice T and Kane ripping shit down were tight too. I really dug Common/Black Thought doing the Kane joints too. Just a good all-around show. However, I understand SnP's contributions to female rap.. but couldn't they have picked someone better to honor?

Kris P. Lettus
September 29th, 2005, 3:22 PM
Krispy..

What did you think of the new David Banner?

I got it today. I'm not a big fan of southern crunk stuff, and I'm not really a fan of Banner too much. But.. this album is very decent. He stays away from the generic beats (Trillville, Scrappy, Paul Wall) and has some very decent sounds on it. As soon as I heard the awesome electric guitar riffs on the opening track, I knew I might enjoy this album.

Sure, there are some average tracks on here, but 2 Fingers, Thinking of You and My Life are all above-average tracks, both beatwise and lyrically.

So yeah, I wasn't blown away by the album, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Haven't heard the whole thing but his production has always been (and will always be) pimp..

I'm gonna pick up the new Blackalicious on Monday..

BuckMarley is a fag..

Seanny One Ball
September 29th, 2005, 3:23 PM
Behave!

Stringer Bell
September 29th, 2005, 4:12 PM
So I get my "final warning" for speaking my opinion and get banned.. yet Krispy continues with the childish name-calling and it's not a problem. Cool :yes:

Kris P. Lettus
September 29th, 2005, 4:15 PM
It's because I am the man and you suck balls...

Stringer Bell
September 29th, 2005, 4:16 PM
You're so grown up :heart:

Kris P. Lettus
September 29th, 2005, 4:41 PM
I'm a grown ass man..

Morrison
September 29th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Agreed about that Hip Hop Honors program. Didn't get to see all of it, but what I did see was fun. I'm not too aware of most of BDK's stuff. I know who he is, have listened to a few songs and have loved what I've heard, but just haven't dug deeper yet. But seeing him out there got me excited. That shit was great.

Stringer Bell
September 29th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Yeah, Hip Hop Honors was a lot of fun. I wish I had seen the first one last year. But it was pretty damn entertaining.. I didn't even mind Nelly's LL bit (as corny as it was). And yeah, the Kane stuff was awesome.. definitely my favorite moment of the night.

Suno
September 30th, 2005, 9:13 AM
This hip-hop honours show sounds pretty rude. BDK? fucking sick tings, one of the GOAT's. Did he perform The Wrath of Kane? I saw him in London a while back, this riddem still goes off, a true classic, a term that gets thrown around to much nowadays.

Also bought the new LB and The Chittlin Circuit 1.5, and i have to say i was impressed, hav'nt bought a hip-hop album for donkeys but this was mos def something refreshing to my ear, sick lyricists, sick deliveries, sick beats, balanced nicely with a mixture of down and up-tempo tunes, quality! My first taste of little brother, bit late, but better late than never...

Stringer Bell
September 30th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Kane did "Warm It Up" and possibly something else I didn't catch, I can go watch it again.. but I don't think he did "The Wrath of Kane". And yeah, he's definitely one of the GOAT's.. if he's not in your top 10, you need to re-evaluate your shit and check out the classics.

How's Chitlin Circuit 1.5? I stll haven't heard that shit, unfortunately.

And yeah, I'm definitely digging The Minstrel Show. Just a fun, chill album.. something you can play on a Sunday morning (or anytime really, just seemed like a good example) and just vibe and relax to. It's always nice to have a fun little hip-hop album with an old school sound.. it's not all about gun fights and drug dealing (unless you life Krispy's life, that is :p)

Kris P. Lettus
September 30th, 2005, 4:52 PM
Well, it could be about sucking ass and licking balls, which would represent your life..

Maybe I should listen to some Ja Rule..

:dunno:

Stringer Bell
September 30th, 2005, 7:53 PM
Like I said, you're so grown up :heart:

Raw Is Jonathan
October 1st, 2005, 9:45 AM
OB, not recieved my order yet... :(

Looking at a few albums out there at the moment that I wouldn't mind picking up, currently contemplating:

Little Brother's
Blackalicious's
Cage's
Murs & Slug's
Banner's

Hmm...

Stringer Bell
October 1st, 2005, 12:01 PM
The Little Brother, Blackalicious, and Cage albums are all damn good and certainly deserve your purchase.

Haven't heard FELT 2 yet..

And Banner's is alright if you're into that type of sound. It knocks hard as hell out of a good system, that's one plus.

Raw Is Jonathan
October 1st, 2005, 3:29 PM
Gone right out and ordered Felt 2, Craft and Minstrel Show.

Watch that order come at the same time as AWOL, Reasonable Doubt and Das EFX...

Simon
October 2nd, 2005, 5:55 AM
See you in three days Krispy.

Kris P. Lettus
October 2nd, 2005, 6:14 AM
Fuck up

Kris P. Lettus
October 2nd, 2005, 6:14 AM
:shifty:

Kris P. Lettus
October 2nd, 2005, 6:14 AM
:heart:

Seanny One Ball
October 2nd, 2005, 8:29 AM
:wtf:

Stringer Bell
October 2nd, 2005, 11:50 AM
Three days, and I get two+ weeks (before the "sock")... love the logic around here.

TapOut
October 2nd, 2005, 12:13 PM
I thought you got two weeks because of the sock..... otherwise it would have only been three days, no?

Aussie_Outlaw
October 2nd, 2005, 12:52 PM
Three days, and I get two+ weeks (before the "sock")... love the logic around here.

Don't try and drag logic into it. Be a tool and you're going to get banned for longer. Be disliked and you're going to be banned for longer. Of course Vets get preferential treatment. Don't try and pretend it's any other way. Don't try and bring fairness into this. It isn't meant to be fair.

Dan The Man
October 2nd, 2005, 1:02 PM
Well, as Tap says, it was three days, then he used a sock to get around the ban, and it was extended. The lapse in logic is all Buck's.

Stringer Bell
October 2nd, 2005, 8:17 PM
Don't try and drag logic into it. Be a tool and you're going to get banned for longer. Be disliked and you're going to be banned for longer. Of course Vets get preferential treatment. Don't try and pretend it's any other way. Don't try and bring fairness into this. It isn't meant to be fair.

:wtf: It's a matter of his actions being much more extreme and consistent than mine. And moderating certainly should be fair.. what other way would it be? Playing favorites is bullshit, but it's obviously just the way it is around here.

And nah, Tap.. I originally had a 2 week ban, then it was extended for a "sock" that wasn't even a sock..

TapOut
October 2nd, 2005, 8:21 PM
And nah, Tap.. I originally had a 2 week ban, then it was extended for a "sock" that wasn't even a sock..

So... you weren't DuffDaddy? Because if you were.. then that would be a sock.

Seems odd that they would ban you for two weeks. Certainly there's some misunderstanding on your part, as I've been banned twice and both have only been three-dayers.

Stringer Bell
October 2nd, 2005, 8:34 PM
No, I made that post under DuffDaddy, I'm not denying that. He's my roomate and he let me make that post. It's pretty easy to see by viewing his previous posts that we aren't the same person.. not to mention have different IP's.

I think I know how long they banned me for :dunno: Might've not been exactly two weeks, but it was definitely longer than 3 days.

Dan The Man
October 2nd, 2005, 8:39 PM
Is that why you ended up sitting out 17 days, which just happens to work out to three for the original and fourteen for the sock?

Fro
October 2nd, 2005, 11:03 PM
Finally picked up AWOL... shit is on point. I think AZ could rise the ranks of the rap game with proper production and marketing. Dudes got skills.

Never Change
New York
Can't Stop
AZ's Chillin
The Come Up
Envious
AWOL

All those are dope as hell. Bonus tracks ain't bad either. Give it a quality 4/5.

Stringer Bell
October 3rd, 2005, 1:44 AM
Yeah, it's definitely a good album... I'm getting a little tired of some tracks though. 4/5 sounds about right. How can you leave off "So Sincere"? Opens with a true banger..

spanish announce table
October 3rd, 2005, 11:21 AM
Review of "Sunz of Man presents: Hell Razah & 4th Disciple - Freedom of Speech"

1. Slavery Intro

2. Rebel Music - Great opener. "Step your pen game up, and if not, then keep moving". 4/5

3. Article One - Politically charged track, but not as good as his stuff on Black Market Militia. "Like Babylon, they built the twin towers too tall." 3.75/5

4. High Science - "I've got the soul of a prophet, and the body of a slave." Lyrics exceed the beat here. 3.5/5

5. One Harmony - Dope violin loop, with dope rhymes to match. "I'm reality, prophecy, poetry, poverty, honesty, pain that's in one harmony." 4/5

6. House-pitality - Beat exceeds the lyrics here. Razah's rhymes are alright, but it doesnt sound like he was trying as much. 3/5

7. Oh! Baby - Sick beat, wack hook, good verses. Track is too short though ."We used to battle on the lunchroom tables without labels, now you paying radio to play you." 4/5

8. Way of Life - Razah describes the importance of hip-hop in his life, and all of his influences. Beat isnt all that great though. "Nobody spits a metaphor like Big Daddy Kane." 3/5

9. Baby Girl - Loving the sample on the hook. I'm not a big fan of rap love songs, but this is well done. 4/5

10. Take Ya Time - Really chilled beat, with rhymes about coming up in the hood. "In the womb of the beast, we were conceived in sin." 4.5/5

11. Same Ol' Thugs - Incredible beat. Razah showcases his storytelling abilities. 4.5/5

12. Project Love - A track about coming up in the struggle. 4th does a good job conveying the emotion with the beat. "Mama's boy sold his crack to be employed, knowing that we're trapped in the system to be destroyed." 5/5

13. Who Gonna Die Next? - Fucking awesome beat. Really digging this one. Razah describes his childhood, and the state of the streets today. "A mad man is only one letter away from danger." 5/5

14. Angel Tears - This beat is like something Killah Priest would have used on the Heavy Mental album. Dope lyrics with no hook. 4/5

15. We Can Do That Too - The first track not produced by 4th, but it still bangs. Razah comes with a lot of energy on this one. "Cut your head off like the braids of Sampson." 4.5/5

16. Underground to the Heavens - Nitro handles the beat, and does a great job. "Like I was Malcolm X, they tried to stop me from speaking/ But I'm the living word, death couldnt stop me from teaching." 5/5

17. Dont Hate It - Third straight track not produced by 4th, and this is pretty weak. Lame beat, poor sound quality, and recycled lyrics. 2/5

18. Pimpology - Fourth straight non-4th track. Fuck, this song sucks. 0/5

19. R.A.Z.A.H - Below average beat, and by this point I'm begging for 4th to come back. 1.5/5

20. We the People - 4th returns with a masterpeice that sounds like something Stoupe would do. Razah only has about 16 bars here, which is way too short. 4.5/5

The album starts out fine, but really picks up from tracks 9-16. But from 17-19, this album dies. This could have been a much better disc if it was kept to 15 tracks. Overall, 8/10.

Stringer Bell
October 3rd, 2005, 12:14 PM
So what is that, just some cats they put on or what? Similar to Ghost's Trife and Method's Streetlife mixtapes? Didn't know they had anything new regardless.. might need to check for that if it's as good as you say.

spanish announce table
October 3rd, 2005, 7:46 PM
So what is that, just some cats they put on or what? Similar to Ghost's Trife and Method's Streetlife mixtapes? Didn't know they had anything new regardless.. might need to check for that if it's as good as you say.


This is a Razah solo album, with 4th handling 15 tracks. No Killah Priest, 60 Sec, or Prodigal Sunn here. I think they just threw on the "Sunz of Man presents..." so more people would recognize it.

October 18th...Dreddy Kruger Presents : Wu Tang meets the Indie Culture. First single with RZA & MF Doom is out now. This is supposed to have U-God, Allah Math, GZA, Razah, Timbo King, Bronze Nazareth, and some other Wu affiliates on tracks with guys like Aesop Rock, Tragedy Khadafi, and Ras Kass. Dreddy said GZA & Ras are on a track together :eek:

GZA & Muggs - Grandmasters...October 25th

Stringer Bell
October 3rd, 2005, 8:29 PM
I see, I'll have to check it out.

Fuck.. That Wu meets Indies sounds incredible. I've heard that RZA/Doom joint, shit is just nuts. Wouldn't mind seeing Ghost show up even though he's done plenty of work with underground guys. Aesop Rock + Wu sounds interesting for sure.. and Ras Kass and GZA just sounds mind-blowing. I'll definitely be checking for that one.

The advance of GZA/Muggs is dope, I'll definitely be buying that one on the 25th.

TapOut
October 3rd, 2005, 10:45 PM
Isn't there some ghostface album dropping tomorrow? Is that in stores or is that just a mixtape?

He's far from my favorite, but fuck, if I listen to Yayo, I'll listen to him again. His stuff's alright, although I much prefer some of the members who aren't even releasing anymore.

Stringer Bell
October 4th, 2005, 2:00 AM
The only person from Wu who doesn't really put out new shit is ODB, for obvious reasons. Not sure who you were getting at.

Ghostface will grow on you. He doesn't have a new album coming out, it's his mediocre protege Trife I believe. However, you might even like him more.. he has a more standard style, very similie-heavy. Check it out, he's not horrible, but he's no Ghost if you ask me..

By the way, Frofiles.. that "AZ's Chillin" track is one of the albums worst cuts in my opinion, I forgot all about that.. biig slip-up :( Still a nice album, without a doubt.

Fro
October 4th, 2005, 6:59 PM
I love AZ's Chillin. "Used to hide the crack in the hotel ceilin but that was way back when I was whole sale dealin."

And I heard Ghost's new album is supposed to drop in December, with Be Easy being the first single. Hot ass song.

From hiphopdx:

Ghostface will drop his fifth album this December, according to Def Jam. Fish Scale will feature production from Pete Rock, RZA and indy hero MF DOOM who is said to have contributed six songs. The incredible Pete Rock produced single Be Easy is out now…

Stringer Bell
October 4th, 2005, 8:16 PM
I really hope Ghost drops in December, but I don't see it happening. "Be Easy" is definitely a banger, I love the fact that Ghost is hooking up with so many talented producers. That album's gonna be ridiculous, although personally, I'd like to see OB4CL2 drop beforehand.

Kris P. Lettus
October 5th, 2005, 3:25 PM
:wtf: It's a matter of his actions being much more extreme and consistent than mine. And moderating certainly should be fair.. what other way would it be? Playing favorites is bullshit, but it's obviously just the way it is around here.

Cry about it..

deadmanwalking*
October 5th, 2005, 3:50 PM
Like I said, you're so grown up :heart:

Dont think you should be being sarcastic to others about being grown up when you called me a 'jackass' via PM for next to nothing, plus the time you called me certain names in that Raw thread just because I disagreed with something you said, you're as immature as anyone.

I reported you both times as well and nothing seemingly got done, so it seems its all evening out a bit.

Miotch
October 5th, 2005, 4:02 PM
Has anyone heard the new Atmosphere album? I'd be interested to see what you guys think of it.

Seanny One Ball
October 5th, 2005, 4:35 PM
Krispy you have to stop baiting Buck.

Seriously.

Kris P. Lettus
October 5th, 2005, 7:00 PM
OK Simon One Ball

Stringer Bell
October 5th, 2005, 7:30 PM
Has anyone heard the new Atmosphere album? I'd be interested to see what you guys think of it.

It's good, better than Se7en's Travels. I'm not a big fan of theirs, but it's a pretty fun album. Slug definitely has his moments.

Seanny One Ball
October 6th, 2005, 7:03 AM
OK Simon One Ball


It's up to you, no skin off my nose :dunno:

Simon
October 6th, 2005, 9:31 AM
OK Simon One Ball
Keep it up and you're banned for a week. Can't be arsed with all this, and if you aren't willing to contribute you can fuck off. Too much attitude and misplaced arrogance.

Aussie_Outlaw
October 6th, 2005, 10:03 AM
This is easily fixed:

Simon, stop baiting Krispy, whether you're trying to or not, stop playing back to him. You're eneouraging him, and then telling him off even though you're well aware he's going to reply to you. He doesn't respect you and you know this. Perhaps you need another method to deal with him.

Krispy, you're walking a line, and you know it. Do it for me. Don't run around. You're well aware of what you're doing, you're not an idiot. Sure have fun but still... hopefully you respect me enough when I say stop playing silly buggers. You know which way you're heading and you know Simon will ban you again. Fair or not, it will more than likely happen if this line continues. :(

Buck, stop whinging about the moderation system, it's never going to be fair. Life isn't fair. The police aren't fair, let it rest. If you wish to take up something with someone, go up higher and do so via PM with certain powers. Don't use this thread to do so. I'm well aware you've stopped but just a quick poke for the future. :)

Simon, stop getting me to do your job. ;) If anyone wishes to enter into anything of this PM me and let this thread continue with it's fun or whatever.

Off you all go.

Simon
October 6th, 2005, 10:14 AM
He knows what he's doing, so there's no real issue here. He gets banned for doing things he knows he'll be banned for, simple as that.

You're right on one thing though, Buck needs to stop moaning too. You were banned for longer because you'd not been back from a previous ban for long, and then had it extended further for using a sock. Krispy's got a relatively clean history, so he only gets three days.

End of discussion, THANKS. I'd prefer it if no one continued this, but I realise that people probably will. That said, I want everyone to read what I'm saying, rather than draw a line under it all and hope it goes away.

Fro
October 6th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Wu-Tang's comin hard right now. GZA, Ghost, Rae, ODB albums all on the way. Gonna have to buy all of them. Anyone get the new U-God? He struggles as a solo artist, but made some good tracks (Pleasure or Pain is the only one I can think of off the top of my head). Anyway, Wu's makin a charge to take back their spot on top of the rap game.

Adamy
October 7th, 2005, 1:19 AM
It's good, better than Se7en's Travels. I'm not a big fan of theirs, but it's a pretty fun album. Slug definitely has his moments.

I don't understand why people like Atmosphere. I think they really kind of suck.

Deep Puddle Dynamics wasn't even that good, and Slug was probably the worst MC out of all of them. :dunno:

Stringer Bell
October 7th, 2005, 2:13 AM
Wu-Tang's always on top in my eyes. Haven't heard good things about that new U-God, though.

Slug isn't a bad MC.. but he's not amazing either. The new album has a few tight songs.

Simon, can you answer my PM regarding that "sock"?

Kris P. Lettus
October 7th, 2005, 11:54 AM
He struggles as a solo artist, but made some good tracks (Pleasure or Pain is the only one I can think of off the top of my head).

I liked Golden Arms and his solo track was the only good thing to come outta Tommy Lee's Methods of Mayhem...

Simon
October 8th, 2005, 5:14 AM
Simon, can you answer my PM regarding that "sock"?I'm looking into it.

Stringer Bell
October 8th, 2005, 12:26 PM
Thanks for being understanding and checking that out. I'm not trying to lie and deny making that post, but it wasn't a sock.

Anyone heard this NBA 2k6 soundtrack? I don't think I've ever enjoyed a video game soundtrack so much. Lots of good underground and real hip-hop. A little something for everyone.. stuff from RJD2, Lyrics Born, Redman, Ghostface, Blackalicious, Little Brother, The Roots, Aceyalone, Hieroglyphics, Common, Skillz, Aesop Rock, Zion I, and more. Definitely check that out if you haven't.

Raw Is Jonathan
October 8th, 2005, 1:00 PM
Enjoyed my first listens to The Craft, The Minstrel Show and Felt 2.

:yes:

Goodstuff.

Suno
October 8th, 2005, 2:45 PM
aceyalone is a fucking monster!

Stringer Bell
October 9th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Oh yeah, Aceyalone's always been the man.

Albums of the week for me...

Big Shug Who's Hard - Yeah, Shug's never been the most amazing lyrically, but this album is chock full of banging DJ Premier production, and Shug has his moments. Just hard gangster shit, less focus on the lyrics and more on being raw, all over a great backdrop of beats. And ya'll said I only liked lyricists :p

Tragedy Khadafi Thug Matrix - Another album full of hot beats, but Tragedy's no slouch lyrically. Not the greatest, but this is definitely a hot ass album. Guest spots from Havoc, Cormega, Raekwon, Jinx, and Littles with production by Havoc, The Now and Laters, Scram Jones, Alchemist, Ayatollah, Star Blaze, and others.

QuietStorm
October 9th, 2005, 10:54 PM
I only like lyricists....