Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread. [Archive] - Page 16

CollegeGraduate

August 27th, 2005, 7:54 PM

Here's a link

The Game feat. Dr. Dre "Here We Go Again" (produced by Dr. Dre) (http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1VZT3QMT26JW231LNAQQD8PEWC)

Big Up for that buck.

I am sooooo waiting for detox. I have never anticipated an album so much and because of this I am probably going to be letdown. But, my god, chronic 2001 was a masterpiece. Dre better have something special for making us wait this long. Anyone know a release date for detox? I heard christmas 05 and now I am hearing early 06?

Stringer Bell

August 27th, 2005, 8:05 PM

It's been talked about since what, 2003? We'll be lucky if we hear it by late '06. Should be phenominal though.

DaRocTric

August 27th, 2005, 11:24 PM

Detox is rumoured to be relased November 06. I guess he wants to keep his CD every 7 year thing going. I cant wait, I still bump 2001. Its was fucking excellent. Back when Em still had it, back when Xzibit was still pretty decent... Dre is a big + for hip hop. He hardly ever puts out something not worth listening too. It would be sad, if he has people like 50/G-Unit, Stat Quo, Bishop Lamont, Busta Rhymes, D12...

Suno

August 28th, 2005, 7:21 AM

Damn you lot are some mugs if you think Detox will ever drop, would'nt hold your breath.

Stringer Bell

August 28th, 2005, 11:27 AM

hxxp://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0HTUN3GZGQXR43R0GNJDFTV7WC

G-Unit, Mase, and MOP - 300 Shots (Game Diss) :rofl:

I'm sure MOP will come hard though though...

TapOut

August 28th, 2005, 1:54 PM

Damn you lot are some mugs if you think Detox will ever drop, would'nt hold your breath.

Why is it so hard to believe that Dre will come out with another album? So what if it's been rumored for a while.... this year or two years from now, who cares?

It may not be called Detox, but that's just the codename for "Dre's new album" anyways.

jesus sucks

August 28th, 2005, 1:59 PM

what would be great is if on Detox for maybe 3 or 4 songs he could take it back to that early nineties sound of let me ride, g thang, nigga with a gun, gin & juice etc.

it would be corny for him to make a whole album like that, as everything's moved on. but he could do a few songs like that. like jay z took it back to the reasonable doubt style for a couple of tracks on the black album.

Suno

August 28th, 2005, 2:08 PM

jesus sucks

August 28th, 2005, 2:25 PM

maybe you're right. maybe you're wrong. i personally don't give 2 shits if he releases it or not. i hope he does because both his album albums were classics, but i've got better things to worry about.

CollegeGraduate

August 28th, 2005, 3:18 PM

Wait so its not a sure thing he is releasing his album?

TapOut

August 28th, 2005, 3:33 PM

Dre's getting old mate, you reckon he can be arsed with the whole promotional shabang which includes touring, he's fucking minted and makes music when he wants because he wants to, simple as, aint no pressure on him doing shit because he's got nothing to prove to anybody.

I'll be suprised if I see him drop another solo album tbh.

Dre's barely 40. That's really not that old, and with the beats his been producing, he's far from out of touch.

Nobody said anything about him being pressured. If you listen to Ice Cube's 'Hello', Dre states clearly he's in this thing because he wants to be, not because he needs to prove shit.
You've got it twisted, pal.

As for the old-school sound, I would love that. Let Me Ride is probably one of my favorite tracks ever by Dre, minus some of the early stuff he did with Snoop.

Suno

August 28th, 2005, 4:57 PM

Dre's barely 40. That's really not that old, and with the beats his been producing, he's far from out of touch.

Nobody said anything about him being pressured. If you listen to Ice Cube's 'Hello', Dre states clearly he's in this thing because he wants to be, not because he needs to prove shit.
You've got it twisted, pal.

Haha, twisted? funny thing is i was saying the same shit as you three years back. What? You think i don't wanna see another dre solo drop, I would love to see that shit, dre's one of the most prolific producer/artists of all time, recognised throughout the whole industry, I'd consider myself quite the fan, but just because some magazine had a release date on Detox you got all excited and now I've shot down the possibility your getting all pissy, well boo hoo.

as for dre's line on hello, (personally i don't read to much into a lyric in relation to tha artists real life) the man hasn't recorded a solo album scince that song, so whats your point?

End of the day, all im saying is dont hold your breath.

TapOut

August 28th, 2005, 5:03 PM

Haha, twisted? funny thing is i was saying the same shit as you three years back. What? You think i don't wanna see another dre solo drop, I would love to see that shit, dre's one of the most prolific producer/artists of all time, recognised throughout the whole industry, I'd consider myself quite the fan, but just because some magazine had a release date on Detox you got all excited and now I've shot down the possibility your getting all pissy, well boo hoo.

as for dre's line on hello, (personally i don't read to much into a lyric in relation to tha artists real life) the man hasn't recorded a solo album scince that song, so whats your point?

End of the day, all im saying is dont hold your breath.
Yeah, the sad part is, you've still got it twisted....

Everyone knows Detox was talked about a long time ago. My whole point is that just because it isn't out yet doesn't mean Dre won't drop another solo. When I say "Detox", that's just code talk for "Dre's new album", if there is one. Nobody is saying there will or won't be a new album. I'm just saying it's still a possibility.

And the point about me pointing out that line in 'Hello' was that yeah, we know Dre doesn't need to prove shit. Neither does Eminem, Snoop, Nas, Jay-Z, etc., but that doesn't mean another solo would be a bad thing....

You're just saying don't hold your breath, and I'm just saying I'm not... but I still anticipate a solo sometime.

And btw, you didn't shoot down any possibility. We've been talking about this possible album long before I've even seen your screen name. Sod off.

jesus sucks

August 28th, 2005, 5:50 PM

Suno

August 28th, 2005, 6:31 PM

Yeah, the sad part is, you've still got it twisted....

Everyone knows Detox was talked about a long time ago. My whole point is that just because it isn't out yet doesn't mean Dre won't drop another solo. When I say "Detox", that's just code talk for "Dre's new album", if there is one. Nobody is saying there will or won't be a new album. I'm just saying it's still a possibility.

And the point about me pointing out that line in 'Hello' was that yeah, we know Dre doesn't need to prove shit. Neither does Eminem, Snoop, Nas, Jay-Z, etc., but that doesn't mean another solo would be a bad thing....

You're just saying don't hold your breath, and I'm just saying I'm not... but I still anticipate a solo sometime.

And btw, you didn't shoot down any possibility. We've been talking about this possible album long before I've even seen your screen name. Sod off.

u iz a bit thik init

TapOut

August 28th, 2005, 6:39 PM

i remember my mate read a book on death row and it said that at the beginning they didn't have a huge amount of money, so the equipment they had was pretty standard. they made the chronic on simple production systems, samplers & synthesisers and a guy on a bass guitar. even if it was just one or two songs, it'd be good if he just made a few tracks like that for detox. obviously it'd have to sync in slightly wityh the style of the other tracks so as to not sound stupidly out of place like.
I think he could do it, and I think he could be VERY good at it.

In fact, most of the popular one-hit wonder hip-hop tracks of today sound very synthesized, like they were made very cheaply. All of David Banner, Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Lil' Scrappy, Three-Six and even some Lil' Jon songs sound like they were made off a simple synth. (I'm not fond of this music because it all nearly sounds identical)

But Dre's beats would be waaaay better because he doesn't use that played-out southern crunk sound. He uses west coast beats that are actually unique and diverse in sound. I think it's totally possible that he could pull something like that off. I think he could integrate some of that old-school synthesized strings and base into some song and it will have a new sound with an old-school feel.

* Just heard on MTV that 'Late Registration' has well over 1 million pre-orders. That's pretty fuckin' amazing.

jesus sucks

August 28th, 2005, 6:53 PM

i have preordered it and it's been posted, and didn't realise it's bank holiday tomorrow... so i won't have it til tuesday. it comes out tomorrow here. fuck!

i honestly don't know one person, even some of my friends who hate rap and are into heavy metal and shit like that.... who hasn't asked me "so what day does this new kanye west come out?"

gonna be fucking huge this album.

should easily be a #1 album here in england which is rare. i can only recall Wu Tang Forever, MMLP and Get Rich' going to #1 in the sales charts. even 2001 only went to #7.

TapOut

August 28th, 2005, 6:55 PM

Yeah, it's going to be big. I mean, platinum sales before the album is even released? Doesn't get much better than that. I already have it, but I'm buying it anyways to see the DVD that comes with it.

*Why is Fat Joe on a video with Ricky Martin? That's depressing.

jesus sucks

August 28th, 2005, 7:04 PM

i've bought the one without the dvd. and it was £4 less.

the dvd's are always shite and i only ever watch them once. plus those shit double disc swingy CD case's are really flimsy. sounds stupid, but a flimsy cd case pisses me off. i always end up breaking them.

TapOut

August 28th, 2005, 10:00 PM

haha, courtesy of Fat Joe at the VMA's....

"I feel so safe tonight with all this police protection courtesy of G-Unit"....

Gotta love the low blows.

CollegeGraduate

August 28th, 2005, 11:44 PM

Hahaha. 50 responded though not suprisingly. At the end of his performance, ( which was terrible mostly due to tony yayo fucking it up. Is this guy not the most annoying motherfucker you have ever heard?) 50 starts talkin shit about fat joe calling him a pusssa and some other shit that went censored. Apparently, fat joe charged the stage at the end of the performance, is this true? I didnt see it, just saw it posted some where else.

Stringer Bell

August 29th, 2005, 12:14 AM

The Fat Joe/50 beef is about as interesting as Foxy/Lil Kim. I would like to see Joe, The Lox, Game, and Nas get together though.. that could be something special.

Anyone check out that G-Unit shit I posted earlier? Mobb Deep's on it too, left them off my post. Pretty weak, none of the disses seemed very specific except for some of Buck's lines, but it's supposed to be aimed at Game :dunno: At least MOP still sound raw as ever.

Tap.. you were on point with that comment about the south and their production. But you dig Lil Wayne, whose producer is nothing but synths and 808s..

DaRocTric

August 29th, 2005, 11:51 AM

I feel the same, though I dig Lil Wayne for his lyrics and flow not the beats he has. I dont really like Fat joe but I loved it when he got at 50. Anyone see Game vs Hulk Hogan...
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1039/534762367tj.jpg

Game was dressing nice though...
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/263/vma48qw.png

Stringer Bell

August 29th, 2005, 11:54 AM

I would've rather seen some cheap shots between 50/Game.. that "beef" has a lot more fuel right now than Joe/50.

That Hogan/Game pic is hilarious.. what was the deal with that?

Seanny One Ball

August 29th, 2005, 12:03 PM

Game was scoping on his daughter I'll bet.

Funny how big Hulk's head is in comparison to Game.

Stringer Bell

August 29th, 2005, 2:49 PM

Anybody got David Banner's "Play"? Song's goofy as hell, but it'd really help me out :yes: Everything on Limewire is corrupt.

House of Pancakes

August 29th, 2005, 4:03 PM

The MF Doom/Wu Tang collaboration [I think] "Enter the 36 Chambers of Doom" is excellent.

Stringer Bell

August 29th, 2005, 4:19 PM

That isn't real, is it? I mean, it's just a mash-up some DJ or kid on his computer made, right? Sure it's good either way.

TapOut

August 29th, 2005, 6:02 PM

Tap.. you were on point with that comment about the south and their production. But you dig Lil Wayne, whose producer is nothing but synths and 808s..

I don't really like most of Cash Money, only a few Juve hits and Lil' Wayne's 'Tha Carter'. Most of the stuff I don't care for. But they don't really have that 'crunk' sound, at least not the hard hitting type you find with Mike Jones, David Banner, etc. They have more of a polished, instrumental sound, similar to Trick Daddy and No Limit. Really, those are the only three exceptions of southern rap I really enjoy. The rest seem like generic spin-offs of each other.

DaRocTric

August 29th, 2005, 10:09 PM

According to reports, Dr. Dre's Detox -- the long-awaited follow up to 1999's The Chronic 2001 -- will finally hit stores shelves this October.

The Detox project has been delayed for over two years now, causing many hip hop fans and -- even reps at Dre's label -- to be skeptical of the album's release date. At press time, Interscope officials tell SOHH.com that Detox isn't even on their official release schedule. The hold up, according to sources close to Dre, has been the producer's penchant for perfection.
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Dre has reportedly been entrenched in the studio with several collaborators to complete the Detox album. According to one source, the award-winning producer has submitted over 50 beats for the album and regularly tweaks his production.

"Dre has very high standards," Mike Elizondo told Billboard. Bass-player Elizondo has worked on several projects with Dre, including Eminem, The Game and Xzibit albums, and is currently collaborating with Dre on Detox. "He wants to shock the world and put something out that no one would have ever thought possible from a hip-hop artist. He's definitely going to take his time and make sure it's right."

Meanwhile, Dre has been busy at work with his other projects. He recently collaborated with Mary J. Blige on her latest release, which also features production from The Neptunes, Kanye West, and Swizz Beats.

Look for the highly-anticipated Detox to hit stores in October... possibly.

Stringer Bell

August 29th, 2005, 10:46 PM

That'd be cool, but sounds unlikely..

Raw Is Jonathan

August 30th, 2005, 7:48 AM

u iz a bit thik init

:heart:

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 8:34 AM

this kanye west album is fuckin' boss.

much darker than college dropout. wouldn't say it was better like, just much darker and more intricate beats. it's different. i said to my friend earlier that it probably has less standout tracks (no through the wire basically. plus all falls down, and family business, school spirit + last call were very good too) , but on the slipside it has less shit tracks than college dropout. i really hated breathe in breathe out/workout tape/get me high and especially JESUS WALKS on that album. i don't hate any of the songs on late registration. some aren't as good as others but they're all listenable and have good lyrics and rapping.

'hey mama' is an absolute monster, surely the next single? i would say it's even better than family business.

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 9:24 AM

on the american disc have you got the bonus tracks *we can make it better* and another un-named one?

there's 22 tracks on mine, and these last two are two of my favourite songs on the album. the beat in the un named one, sounds like it's got the jackson 5 or something on the sped up soul sample.

i don't like the way there's that just blaze produced song thrown in at the start of the album though, think it's track 3. sounds totally out of place and it's probably my least favourite song on the album.

Seanny One Ball

August 30th, 2005, 10:35 AM

So I wasn't the only one who wasn't a huge fan of the filler on College Dropout, eh?

The best thing about Workout Plan was Vida Guerra in the video.

DaRocTric

August 30th, 2005, 11:00 AM

Track 3 was produced by just Blaze.

Dan The Man

August 30th, 2005, 11:00 AM

I usually skipped right from "Never Let Me Down" to "Breathe In, Breathe Out," forgoing "Get 'Em High," the "Workout Plan" skit and track, and "Slow Jamz." I do enjoy "Breathe In, Breathe Out" because it, with "All Falls Down," showcases that conflicted Kanye that works so well.

Which is why I can't stand "Diamonds From Sierra Leone" in any of its forms, because he completely flops on the importance of the issue and doesn't reach the conflict, either in terms of the actual issues in Sierra Leone or the status of diamonds. He scratched at it on the remix, but that's almost more disappointing because he half asses it and ends up degrading the seriousness.

Khalil Almustafa wrote a spoken word piece that uses that Cash Money line "Every time I come around your city - bling bling" as its callback between descriptions of Sierra Leone and the severity of the diamond trade, and maybe the problem is that that piece is so tremendous that everything else seems soft to me. Even Kweli's references on "Going Hard" are just that: references. Nobody has put together a track that captures the importance of the issue, and I really feel like Kanye has actually set it back by bringing the issue up in his song title and not following through in any way.

But maybe that's just me...

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 11:01 AM

i am a huge fan of college dropout. i played it loads last year. and through the wire is stunning.

having said that, looking back, there is 4 songs on that album i really fucking hate the ones i listed above, breathe in breath out, workout tape, get me high, & jesus walks (yes, jesus walks, terrible annoying beat and i hate the lyrics).

they let the album down for me. and i don't think it's anywhere near as good as the blueprint. i can still listen to the blueprint and never get tired of it.

very pleased with this cd, it's so good. cheering me up on an otherwise very dissapointing day (michael owen).

Seanny One Ball

August 30th, 2005, 11:18 AM

Kanye even mentioning Sierra Leone diamonds is a good thing - people wont have heard Kweli or Khalil Almustafa rap.

But everyone hears Kanye because he makes brilliant beats.

Regardless of what he says, the song has a message. I see no problem with it, only in people that overthink it :dunno:

BTW - Get Em High was one of my favourite tracks on College Dropout :$

Dan The Man

August 30th, 2005, 11:24 AM

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 11:27 AM

there are alot of brilliant beats & raps on this album. that can't be denied.

to be honest his sound is alot different now than it was 2 years ago. then he was just continuing that whole Rocafella sped up soul samples style that started on The Dynasty.

now there's that 'getting out our dreams' (kanye, common, dilated peoples, talib kweli, john legend etc) kind of sound that he does. late registration definately falls under this category. dunno if that makes sense but you probably know what i mean.

Dan The Man

August 30th, 2005, 11:34 AM

A lot of the difference is because Jon Brion is the man.

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 11:45 AM

now watch as everything ever produced by John Brion will be placed the at the front of every record shop in the world within a few days.

Seanny One Ball

August 30th, 2005, 12:30 PM

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 3:38 PM

has anyone know where i can download a version of crack music with the game dropping his verse?

i mean, for fucks sake like. i was looking forward to that verse, i like the game he's the man. and i thought something was wrong. then i searched online and saw that it was removed to not cause beef with 50 cent and g unit :wtf:

come on. that's a bit of a gay thing to do, let's be honest.

Stringer Bell

August 30th, 2005, 4:26 PM

I really wasn't that impressed with Kanye lyrically on here. "Gone" and "Bring Me Down" have some nice bits, but most of "Bring Me Down" had already been on other tracks. Seems like he tried a lot less hard to be impressive lyrically here than he did on his debut.

The beats though, are crazy. John Brion definitely did great things for this album, and helped Kanye find a darker sound that didn't rely on sped-up samples. "Heard Em Say" sounds like it should've been on Common's album, but it's hot nonetheless. "We Major" and "Gone" are easily my favorite tracks.. but songs like "My Way Home" are great too. "Drive Slow" could've been something great, why the hell did he pick Paul Wall?

Stringer Bell

August 30th, 2005, 8:15 PM

Haha, what's with G-Unit doing Cena's "You can't see me" gesture? I saw it in that Yayo video, and I think I saw 50 do it in that Mobb Deep video too. Pretty funny they decided to rip off of Cena..

DaRocTric

August 30th, 2005, 9:16 PM

LOL...its actually the Flava Flav dance. But in Curious/Pimpin doesnt young Buck look like Booker T doin the "Yayo"

jesus sucks

August 30th, 2005, 10:05 PM

not being funny or anything and i know some people will say 'fuck off yo' etc, but i think if i was just getting into rap or was 11 or 12 years younger than i am. to me this new kanye would be as good as the Chronic was to me at the time, i really see it as that good. that was the best cd out at the time i was getting into rap. not saying it will have the overall influence of the chronic. but musically at least i wouldn't really say it's any worse. got it on headphones now & it's just, well... ridiculously good.

lyrically it's totally different to the chronic, it's not as quoteable or memorable but it's certainly got more variety of lyric than the chronic. at first i was expecting another college dropout but this is way fucking better. comparing it to the chronic because there's so many collaborations it has that same vibe as a dr dre album. good collabos too, like chronic. even Cam'ron kills it on 'Gone' (amazing track btw) it's definately better than '2001' and i love that.

for sheer experimentation with beats i have always thought 'de la soul is dead' was the best album but i'd say this is better.

DaRocTric

August 30th, 2005, 10:36 PM

TapOut

August 30th, 2005, 10:40 PM

Im not trying to hate on your opinion, but you really think LR is better than 2001?

No, I'm sure he just said that to piss you off.

He likes it better. If you don't, fine, but no need to question his taste. It's getting quite annoying really.

DaRocTric

August 30th, 2005, 11:39 PM

Im not questioning his taste. Im making sure thats what he meant. Then i just state my opinion. There are no problems. So please stop making it seem like there are.

TapOut

August 30th, 2005, 11:48 PM

Im not questioning his taste. Im making sure thats what he meant. Then i just state my opinion. There are no problems. So please stop making it seem like there are.
I'm not making seem as if there's a problem. I just find it greatly annoying when someone says they like something and someone else has to question it.

it's definately better than '2001' and i love that.
Not sure how you could not know what he means.

DaRocTric

August 31st, 2005, 12:26 AM

even Cam'ron kills it on 'Gone' (amazing track btw) it's definately better than '2001' and i love that.

it looks like he is only talking about the song Gone...see what i mean?

Morrison

August 31st, 2005, 1:02 AM

Well, you might be kinda thick, then.

I can see what you mean, but I just don't understand how you could honestly think he was just talking one solitary song.

jesus sucks

August 31st, 2005, 7:41 AM

Im not trying to hate on your opinion, but you really think LR is better than 2001. 2001 to me is superior on all aspects. I still listen to it. I spent my childhood listenin to Chronic and my early teen years to 2001. Im going to be 18 in february. Kanye is nice and all but he doesnt have the impact of a 2001/Chronic, nor would top a Dre album...

LR isn't as good as the chronic to me either as that's what i grew up listening to. and i know it wont have the cultural same impact (might sell similar though, it'll probably sell at last 15 mil worldwide).

what i mean is, musically, if i was younger and just getting into rap then LR would be a good as the Chronic was to me at the time. which is high praise.

LR is definately better than 2001. i think it beats it on just about every level. i guess 2001 is more quoteable with songs like fuck you and the next episode but i'd certainly say kanye's new one is a better album. 2001 is is one of the best albums out there, but late registration is better.

Stringer Bell

August 31st, 2005, 8:01 AM

:wtf:

Just stop with that shit.

And you think Cam'ron "kills" "Gone"? :lol:

"Knock knock.. who's there? Killa cam! Killa who?
Killa Cam.. hustler, grinder, guerilla.. true!
My chinchilla blue!"

jesus sucks

August 31st, 2005, 8:24 AM

that's an entertaining verse. listen to how he says it, it's great :lol:!!

jesus sucks

August 31st, 2005, 8:27 AM

it looks like he is only talking about the song Gone...see what i mean?

how could you think i was saying one song is better than an entire album?

i think you must have been snorting coke last night or something to misunderstand my post.

Simon

August 31st, 2005, 8:38 AM

:wtf:

Just stop with that shit.

And you think Cam'ron "kills" "Gone"? :lol:

"Knock knock.. who's there? Killa cam! Killa who?
Killa Cam.. hustler, grinder, guerilla.. true!
My chinchilla blue!"
How can you comment? You probably first heard The Chronic a good few years after it came out, so you have no understanding of the context of that album with regards to how it was taken at the time.

DaRocTric

August 31st, 2005, 9:48 AM

Well, I relate to 2001 the way you do to Chronic. Its just hard for me to place albums like LR above it. To ME, production Wise, LR gets a 9.5, 2001 gets a 9. Lyric wise LR gets a 8, 2001 a 8.5

Well, Buck. There is some new Ghostface news.

Ghostface was on Hot 97 and he said 50 needs to chill out. He goes "Yo this ape needs to stop injecting himself with them stroiods, he's acting up, he better chill out before NY puts his ass on the bench." Later he was asked if its a good move on Eminem's part to jump into the beef. Ghostface said "That pilgrim needs to back off he aint got no street cred thats my word."

Stringer Bell

August 31st, 2005, 1:56 PM

Last Registration just isn't the masterpiece this dude is making it out to be. Kanye still needs to improve on the mic, but like I said.. it's almost like he didn't try as hard this time around lyrically. There's really nothing outstanding lyrically.. thank god he didn't have people like Talib, Mos Def, or Jay on this album or he would've been outshined horribly. Look at those tracks on College Dropout, some of Kanye's best verses are on "Never Let Me Down" and "Two Words". Here, Nas came nice, but seemed toned down a bit... and Lupe Fiasco and Paul Wall? They really helped step his game up :rolleyes:

Haha, Ghost back on his shit-talking steez. "Shark Niggas" is still one of the best skits ever.

TapOut

August 31st, 2005, 5:56 PM

:wtf:

Just stop with that shit.

And you think Cam'ron "kills" "Gone"? :lol:

"Knock knock.. who's there? Killa cam! Killa who?
Killa Cam.. hustler, grinder, guerilla.. true!
My chinchilla blue!"

I thought you put him on ignore?

Anyways, I'm not sure if I'd put LR ABOVE 2001, but I definetely like it as much. I'm just digging the production of the beats, and I'm sorry, but I think he stills kills this album lyrically. I really like the issues he raises with healthcare. It strikes closer to home when you've seen people you know die because they can't afford medication.

Stringer Bell

August 31st, 2005, 6:07 PM

I did for awhile, then figured he couldn't possibly be spewing the same mess.. I was wrong. Thanks for checking up on me :)

He raises a few good issues, but not like he did on Dropout. And regardless of the subject matter, the lyrics themselves aren't anything to write home about.

jesus sucks

August 31st, 2005, 7:01 PM

DaRocTric

August 31st, 2005, 9:32 PM

Jay is on The Diamonds remix. I want the Talib song. I heard the 'Crack music' with Games verse. His verse is hot. He outshines Kanye no doubt.

DuffDaddy

August 31st, 2005, 9:34 PM

Stringer Bell

August 31st, 2005, 9:35 PM

I wasn't even thinking about the "Diamonds" remix... Jay definitely outshines him on there. And I'm sure Talib does... my point stands.

jesus sucks

August 31st, 2005, 9:47 PM

Jay is on The Diamonds remix. I want the Talib song. I heard the 'Crack music' with Games verse. His verse is hot. He outshines Kanye no doubt.

have you got a link or anything? that's one of the best songs, beat is a monster plus the Game is the man. the fact that his verse was taken off has ruined listening to that song for me.

DaRocTric

August 31st, 2005, 10:00 PM

No, I heard it on the radio. It will be on his 'Ghost unit' mixtape.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 1st, 2005, 10:18 AM

Hmm.

Don't know whether to purchase this Kanye album or not... I'd have no qualms about buying it if he was an unknown and guaranteed that 7 year-old's wouldn't be listening to him as well, but now I question myself before buying. Perhaps I have some sort of issue? I mean, once upon a time it was all Dr Dre, Eminem, D-12, Snoop, etc that I'd listen to. Now it makes me cringe when these fucking bitches drive around it their customised cars trying to act hard blasting out this sort of music... know what I'm saying?

I got no problems with getting commerical music, as long as it's worthwhile, although saying that I can't remember the last time I got a real commercial album... stay clear of them like they're the plague to be honest... perhaps Jay-Z's Black Album was the last. Like I say, if it's good shit, then I'll pick it up. JS mentions 2001 in the same breath, shit must be good!

Help me out of this slump, or don't. To buy or not to buy, that is the question. Need some good new albums...

Raw Is Jonathan

September 1st, 2005, 11:06 AM

SUNO!

let me know what you're into these days!!! (and no i don't mean pussy you filthy little male slag!)

Stringer Bell

September 1st, 2005, 11:06 AM

Why not just download it then buy it if you like it? :dunno:

JS is on some absurd shit comparing it to 2001. They're totally different records with totally different feels. As good as Kanye is, he wishes he was on Dre's level.

that's one of the best songs, beat is a monster plus the Game is the man. the fact that his verse was taken off has ruined listening to that song for me.

So it's one of the best songs but you don't like listening to it because Game doesn't rap on it? :wtf:

Stringer Bell

September 1st, 2005, 12:31 PM

http://rapidshare.de/files/4593002/Kanye_West___Game-Crack_Music__With_The_Game_Verse_.mp3.html

You're welcome, fag :D

jesus sucks

September 1st, 2005, 1:47 PM

wigger.

jesus sucks

September 1st, 2005, 1:55 PM

i thought you had me on ignore anyway :lol:, you cunt.

Kris P. Lettus

September 1st, 2005, 3:21 PM

Gorillaz-Demon Days is super nice..

Good change of pace from MTV Hip Hop..

Stringer Bell

September 2nd, 2005, 12:49 AM

JS: I already addressed that.

Yeah Krispy, Demon Days is pretty damn good. Love that track with MF Doom.

I'm really digging the new AZ LP, AWOL. Shit's quality. He's obsessed with sped-up soul beats, but it's still dope. Nice to hear his new retail, but I still want a mastered version of Final Call. "Omega" was nuts! And where's that "So Serious" joint with Nas?

Raw Is Jonathan

September 2nd, 2005, 6:30 AM

Sister phoned me up this morning, asking if I wanted Kanye's new album ordered off the 'net, I thought fuck it why not. Will let you know whether this is a step in the right direction or not... hell I may even load college dropout onto my iPod...

QuietStorm

September 2nd, 2005, 9:29 AM

I'm really digging the new AZ LP, AWOL. Shit's quality. He's obsessed with sped-up soul beats, but it's still dope. Nice to hear his new retail, but I still want a mastered version of Final Call. "Omega" was nuts! And where's that "So Serious" joint with Nas?
Final Call was terrible and he made the right decision to keep it locked away. AWOL is so much better.

Stringer Bell

September 2nd, 2005, 11:49 AM

It's better, but it had a lot of nice tracks. You can't tell me you didn't like "Omega"... he flipped that shit. And "Livewire" and "Magic Hour" that made the bonus tracks are good too. I just think AZ's using too much Kanye-esque production.

Really, I just want a CD quality, full-length version of "Serious" with Nas.

Fro

September 2nd, 2005, 4:24 PM

Just some thoughts....

Copped the new Kanye, its definetly overrated. And I mostly say that cuz I just got the new XXL and they gave it an XXL review. Definetly not a classic... the lyrics aren't good enough. Kanye comes hard on some tracks (Gold Digger, Diamonds, Heard Em Say, Roses) but is pretty wack on others (Addiction, Celebration). Musically its great, no doubt about that. Definetly less radio-friendly than his first album... more dark, less club banging. The cameos are also MUCH worse on this than the first. Jigga's one verse on the Diamonds remox is sub-par for him. No other notable appearances except Nas. Overall I give it a 8.5/10... a really good album, but would've been a lot better with Common or Jay-Z on the mic.

Downloaded the new Tony Yayo... it's crap. And Yayo was the only G-Unit member I thought was still fresh. His spots on mixtapes and other albums were always my favorite of the group, but he proved that he can't hold down his own album.

Downloaded a bunch of AZ tracks from the new album... he is on fire. Can't wait for AWOL to drop, I bet thats gonna be rockin my disc player for a while. The Come Up is siiick.

That's it, peace.

Stringer Bell

September 2nd, 2005, 6:31 PM

That whole post was on point :yes:

Agree with pretty much everything you said about the Kanye. "Celebration" is especially wack lyrically, and "Addiction" isn't much better. Gotta disagree about the Jay verse though, I loved that. 8.5 outta 10 sounds pretty damn good, I'd probably lean more toward an 8 myself.

That Yayo is most definitely shit, but I can't say I was expecting much else. Honestly, there isn't one track on that album I enjoyed.

The AZ is dope, as always pretty much.

:yes:

DaRocTric

September 2nd, 2005, 10:00 PM

I enjoy three tracks on that yayo. Drama Setter, Pimpin', and Live By the Gun.

Hack

September 3rd, 2005, 12:10 AM

The problem is that it doesn't have a message. The closest he gets is "These aren't blood diamonds Jacob, are they?" or whatever. The whole point is exactly that he has everyone's ear, and he said nothing of value.

I get your point, but I'm fairly sure he had the song finished under the titled "Diamonds Are Forever," found out about the whole "blood diamonds" thing and that's where the remix came from. I'm not saying you don't realize that or anything, but I do think that makes up for the "bonus track" version/MTV version not being all that political. He probably just changed the name and kept the song the same.
Of course, Jay-Z's rap in the remix has nothing to do with anything other than how his Roc-A-Fella people can suck and he'll still make them rich, but that's OK. It is Jay, after all.

Oh, and I think the entire album is pretty fucking good.

Dan The Man

September 3rd, 2005, 12:41 AM

This is a guy who rolls with Kweli. This is a guy who said "Is it cool to rap about gold if I told the world I copped it from Ghana and Mali?" And it's a problem that has been around for years. The plight of Sierra Leone was not something that jumped up on him.

I still stand by my opinion that he did as much for the problem as Nelly would have done for the environment if he called it "Global Warming" instead of "Hot In Herre."

Hack

September 3rd, 2005, 1:48 AM

I'm not arguing that he did anything for the issue. Of course, you could argue that we're sitting here talking about it, but we weren't really part of the problem to begin with. I'm just saying that I'm fairly sure he's claiming he just heard about the issue after that song was already written. And if Nelly had called it "Global Warning," that would have been awesome.

Fro

September 3rd, 2005, 8:05 PM

http://people.brandeis.edu/~jayjudah/kanye_no_rant.MOV

I hope that link works, but its a video of Kanye and Mike Myers doing a tv spot trying to get people to donate for Hurricane Katrina relief and Kanye makes a total ass of himself. Just watch...

DaRocTric

September 3rd, 2005, 10:13 PM

I saw it on TV, I liked it, I personally believe he speaks the truth...

TapOut

September 3rd, 2005, 10:23 PM

That was senseless rambling. If Kanye really did feel that way, he should have worded it better. There's more people than just George Bush who are in charge of these operations.....

Anyways, what the hell is up with "Clipse"? I thought Lord Willin' was a hot-ass album. They weren't megastars or anything, but I felt they came out strong enough for a follow up. It's been what, two and a half, three years?

Stringer Bell

September 3rd, 2005, 11:33 PM

Clipse had a lot of label issues. XXL had a good little article with them a few months back. They've put out some mixtapes since Lord Willin'.. they've actually had their album done for over a year now, just trouble getting it out.

hithit

September 3rd, 2005, 11:45 PM

Hey can anyone give me some good southren rappers, up in the northwoods where i live they don't play much south stuff.
It would be appreciated.

Stringer Bell

September 3rd, 2005, 11:53 PM

The Geto Boys (and Scarface's solo shit)
Ludacris
UGK's early shit
Outkast
Goodie Mob (debut)
Cunninlynguists
Devin The Dude
Little Brother

All great southern acts, just to name a few..

There's a lot of talentless junk that comes out of the south too, though. Stay away from acts like Paul Wall, Young Jeezy, Lil Scrappy, Mike Jones, Three Six Mafia, Baby, Boyz N Da Hood, Lil Flip, Yin Yang Twins, and so on..

Suno

September 4th, 2005, 8:46 AM

jesus sucks

September 4th, 2005, 9:36 AM

agreed.

Buckmarley you've just lost a good few internet-wigger-points, how can you say Ludacris is good but three 6 mafia shit :lol:

Ludacris = way, way worse and more mainstream than 50 cent and you always get on at me in your gay little way for liking 1 fucking album of his. Ludacris is pop music.

on the subject of the south i've always been a reasonably big fan. like alot of stuff from down there, some of the beats are really hardcore like.

this T.I fella is not bad either, might get his new album.

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 10:15 AM

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 10:18 AM

but juicy j and dj paul are THE most un-appreciated producers in the game.

Three Six's earlier stuff had a unique sound, and they had some okay material on Live By Yo Rep and The End. These days, what seperates them from any other bullshit in the south? None of them can rap for shit, period. And I guess if you like basic production that sounds nearly the same on EVERY song, then Paul and J are good producers...

Suno

September 4th, 2005, 10:53 AM

pfft, you aint even given three six a chance mate, come back when you've heard mystic stylez/ underground compilations fom like '91 to '94, that original crunk vibe fool, you dont know shit about southern rap and the whole culture, Krisp 'll tell ya.
And that pool of 'good southern rap' that you listed, a good grip of them cats have worked with three 6 mafia, your just confused man, you dunno what you like.

Another quality southern act - Nappy Roots, both their albums are quality!

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 11:10 AM

:wtf:

I have Mystic Stylez (what I meant by Live By Yo Rep, not the EP) and several of the underground albums. Nothing is very impressive, I don't care if they have the 'original crunk vibe'. And why would I care that people I listed work with Three Six Mafia? That doesn't change a damn thing.. I know exactly what I like, thank you.

Nappy Roots are indeed quality.

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 11:13 AM

Dude, Three Six are hot, especially their older stuff, unique sound, probably due to their techniques, but juicy j and dj paul are THE most un-appreciated producers in the game. Fuck these marks who say all crunk=shit, the guys who innovated the sound came with some real grimey shit.

Three Six, Master P and No Limit, and Trick Daddy are the three main southern rappers I enjoy. All quality shit, especially some of the early No Limit. Ghetto Dope is a classic album, so many hits from it. Trick Daddy's earlier work is also great. "Back in the Day", "Nann Nigga", and "Could it Be" were some hot tracks.

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 11:17 AM

Because Ludacris is a good MC, you idiot. Ludacris is pop but 50 isn't? :lol:

"Hip Hop Quotables" > Any 50 song, ever.. there's no argument to be made.

PS.. the wigger shit's played out. It's a shame such a 'wigger' likes better hip-hop than you. Soccer tattoos? Now that's GANGSTA!

I love Ludacris, but Hip Hop Quotables is absolute shit. I'd say there is an arguement to be made. I dunno, little thing I call opinion I guess. I'd take any song off of Get Rich... over that song. There are several much better songs off of Chicken and Beer than that song, namely Hard Times, We Got and Southern Fried Intro.

Suno

September 4th, 2005, 11:33 AM

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 11:36 AM

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 11:37 AM

you're a faggot, you should stop listening to hip hop, do it NOW!

Now that's an argument!

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 12:02 PM

"Hip Hop Quotables" is shit? :wtf: Worse than that, "We Got" is better? My god...

Tap, I understand you don't really know your hip-hop... but some of the lyrics in "Quotables" are outstanding. 50 Cent could never be that clever.

Buck, even when people try to bury the hatchett with you, you still come across as an annoying, whiny arrogant little faggot with twisted opinions. People aren't going to agree with you sometimes: get the fuck over it. You are by the far the worst poster in this thread for the mere fact you have some holier-than-though opinion on hip-hop. I used to live hip-hop, mother fucker. You don't know shit. I know my hip-hop. Not enjoying what you enjoy doesn't mean I don't.

You're a little bitch faggot who thinks that gobbling up mixtapes and gold-selling albums at best makes him some hip-hop guru. I tried to be orthodox and respectful when posting my views, but it just doesn't work with you. You always come back with some snide-ass remark that's almost certainly wrong, but still manages to ruffle feathers.

Bottom line, you said "Hip Hop Quotables is better than any 50 Cent song ever. That's a huge load of shit, and if you honestly think you can force an opinion like that on other people, you're an ever bigger dipshit than we already knew you were.

Kris P. Lettus

September 4th, 2005, 12:10 PM

Live By Ya Rep and Mystic Stylez are not the same thing..

SPV Click 4 lyf!!!1!

Also, to whoever was asking about Southern shit, check out:

-P.A. (Parental Advisory)
-Eightball & MJG
-Jim Crow
-Killer Mike
-David Banner
-Kingpin Skinny Pimp
-Project Pat
-Haystack

Word..

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 12:13 PM

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 12:20 PM

Listen to the lyrics of "Hip Hop Quotables" again Tap, and try to tell me 50 Cent has recorded a better song. I don't know what's wrong with you, honestly.

I didn't say they were the same Krispy, I confused them.. I'm obviously not a big 3 6 fan. "Live By Yo Rep" is on Mystic Stylez, I didn't mean the EP. Your list would be straight without that Haystack ;)

I did. I have the Chicken and Beer album. I've heard Hip-Hop quoatables plenty of times. I think it's a shit song, goofy lyrics. Sure, it's got some witty lines, but as a whole it's not that great. Quite the opposite. Hard Times is my favorite song off that album.

"What's wrong with me"? Um.... I don't like the same song as you? See, that little question just further supports my previous post about you.

Suno

September 4th, 2005, 12:22 PM

Fuck! 8Ball and MJG are BIG! Should'nt be slept on!

Suno

September 4th, 2005, 12:29 PM

Your list would be straight without that Haystack ;)

So you like Project Pat? But don't like Three-6???? :wtf:

And Hip-Hop Quotables? Aint all that man, personally, I can't particulary recall it as a stand out track from Chicken and Beer, I do remember it having a fairly wack beat though, which is an immiediate downfall for any song. As for it being better that ANY song 50's done? Man I've heard freestyles from 50 that merk that song to death.

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 12:38 PM

I said it would be straight, not that I loved it. I'm not a big Project Pat fan at all, but he's better than Three Six. They might've been alright ten years ago, but they're corny as FUCK now.

A wack beat is an immediate downfall for any song? I said listen to the lyrics.. he's insane on that track.

Tap.. it's got goofy lyrics? You like fucking TRICK DADDY..

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 12:44 PM

Tap.. it's got goofy lyrics? You like fucking TRICK DADDY..
Yeah.. Trick Daddy. Are you fucking retarded? I never said Ludacris as whole is a goofy rapper. I said that ONE SONG HAS GOOFY LYRICS. Trick Daddy is about on par with Luda in my book: some songs are very serious. What is goofy about songs like Thug Holiday, Could It Be, Ain't No Santa and others he has made?

You have a lot of learning (and growing) to do. There is nothing wrong with Trick. You twist shit around so much it's unreal. Tell me, Buck, where did I say I don't like Luda because he's goofy? 50 Cent has songs I don't like because they are goofy, like Disco Inferno, Candy Shop, Magic Stick, and yet others. Trick Daddy has songs I don't like because they are goofy. Luda has songs I don't like because they are goofy. You're fucking confusing rappers with songs.

Kris P. Lettus

September 4th, 2005, 1:23 PM

So you like Project Pat? But don't like Three-6???? :wtf:

And Kingpin??

Haystack is super nice..

Check out Gangsta Black and Young Bleed also..

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 1:58 PM

You have a lot of learning (and growing) to do. There is nothing wrong with Trick. You twist shit around so much it's unreal. Tell me, Buck, where did I say I don't like Luda because he's goofy? 50 Cent has songs I don't like because they are goofy, like Disco Inferno, Candy Shop, Magic Stick, and yet others. Trick Daddy has songs I don't like because they are goofy. Luda has songs I don't like because they are goofy. You're fucking confusing rappers with songs.

Wow. A whole paragraph about something I didn't even say. Nice job putting words in my mouth.. but in the same post, you quoted what I said.. "It's got goofy lyrics?"..

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 2:01 PM

Haystack is super nice..

Come on now man, Haystak is wack as fuck..

Haystak didn't come back whippin no Maybach
How fake is that, y'all know me better than that
But I'll rock a drop top SL Escalade truck and shit
Who that big fat white ass know who he fuckin with
Don't that muthafucka know he had to suffer
He keep on comin through with that and end up a sucker

:shudder:

Suno

September 4th, 2005, 2:50 PM

Give it up, your full of shit!

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 2:54 PM

Yeah, I don't know why I bother. Buck, you've lost any and all credibility. You're about as fucking hip-hop as one of those little uppity faggots who thinks wearing a Slipknot sweatshirt and drinking mountain dew is defying authority.

Why you seem hell-bent on not accepting anyone else's taste in music other than your own is beyond me. Whatever agenda it is you're trying to fulfill, you need to just....stop.

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 3:13 PM

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 3:37 PM

Yeah, HHQ isnt even Ludas best song. And to say that it is better than any 50 song, is just bullshit. I'll give you 5, "Baltimore Love Thing", "Many Men", "Back down", "Im Supposed to Die Tonight" and anything from power of the dollar. A more credible good south list is,:

T.I, Young Buck, Three 6 Mafia, Lil Wayne, Outkast, etc...

I got the Ghost Unit mixtape, it is pretty good. Same with G-Unit Radio 13, it has a lot of Young Buck which is a HUGE +.

While I agree with everything you just said, expect Buckmarley to come in here and come down upon your list of southern rappers with his holy hip-hop wisdom. We all know he isn't a fan of Lil Wayne, and probably Young Buck.

So far, I think Young Buck has the best G-Unit album, sans The Game. Yayo's new album isn't really anything special. Actually, it sucks. Not so much that it's bad, but there's so many rap albums out there that you have to offer up something special. This album does nothing of the sort.

jesus sucks

September 4th, 2005, 3:53 PM

does anyone even listen to Buckmarley? i don't, he's like 15 or 16 years old. little child. little wigger child.

hip hop quoteables better than any 50 cent song? fuck off. dickhead.

ludacris is crap, he's pop music. annoying shouty rapper, crap flow and annoying lyrics. terrible, hate him. no way is he better or more of a "real MC" than 50 cent or Three 6 marfia. that's a fact. didn't ludacris start off as a radio DJ? then he started rapping later on. well 50 cent didn't, making him a "real mc" and ludacris, well, not.

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 4:02 PM

Three Six Mafia, P. Miller and Trick Daddy are probably THE three southern rappers responsible for today's crunk sound. While I don't necessarily like about half the acts out of the south now, those three are all tremendous. Unbreakables was a hot album. I still think Three Six have it, I don't think they've lost a step.

jesus sucks

September 4th, 2005, 4:06 PM

Unbreakables is great. better than anything Ludacris has ever come out with. and ever will, because he's just a bit shit basically.

also, they don't all shout in that fucking annoying voice like ludacris does.

"I'm going to the LIQUOR STOOOOOOORRRREEE to buy myself some BIG CANNNNZZ OF BEEEEERRRRRRRR because my NAAAAAMEEE be LUDDDAAAA! TO THE C R I SSSSSSSSSSSS!"

crap, terrible rapper terrible music.

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 4:41 PM

So far, I think Young Buck has the best G-Unit album, sans The Game. Yayo's new album isn't really anything special. Actually, it sucks. Not so much that it's bad, but there's so many rap albums out there that you have to offer up something special. This album does nothing of the sort.

It is, he is the rawest in G-Unit, and makes me remember the good music the south can produce. Yayo sucks. Period. He said he predicts he'll sell 800,000 his first week. Wrong Buddy. Try 200,000 to 300,000. Kanye West is set to pull in 850,000 to 900,000 though.

Luda isnt terrible, but he isnt the excellent. He is the most commercial pop artist out of the south.

In G-Unit Radio 13, they have 50 Cent in Anger Management 3 performing some of his songs in St.Louis. He says "STL is a hard city. I aint gonna give yall that lollipop shit. I aint gonna perform my commercial shit. I aint gonna perform my money makers. Im gonna do something for the hood" I respect 50 in a business perspective. He is smart. Afterwords, he performed "Gunz come out". Besides his beef with everyone, I like 50. Yeah, Massacre wasnt great but he is extremely creative, and can make some great chorus's. GRODT is a brilliant CD. Which reminds of me of my favorite music, The Hardcore/Gangsta Rap that was shown in GRODT, and Sraight Outta Cashville. I learned that Buck believes his style is "Great Hip-Hop." But you gotta take the fact, sometimes great lyrics and cleverness isnt always what makes a good song. Theres many songs i liked the becuase of the production, flow of a rapper, etc. Which is why I like people like 50, Papoose, etc. I ENJOY IT! Not everyone else has to, but I dont care, it makes me happy and I'm not going to force someone to like it.

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 6:05 PM

Good god. At least Ludacris has some fucking mic skills. Not a single member of Three Six can rap. I know I'm out of place around here when people think "Da Unbreakables" was a good CD..

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 6:26 PM

It is. its a 7.5 out of 10...

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 6:33 PM

I'm Ridin' Spinners, I'm Ridin' Spinners, It don't Stop!

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 7:12 PM

I know I'm out of place around here

Yes, you are.. Howz about leaving then?

Unbreakables was a great album. I mean, sure, nothing classic or amazing, but shit, that album has some excellent beats and decent lyrics.

And I need to mention, it isn't always lyrics that make a song. I said I didn't like certain songs because they are goofy. On the same note though, there are some songs that are goofy that I do like. Trick Daddy's "In Da Wind" is a goofy song, but it's got a great beat and great chorus by Cee-Lo. 'Sugar' is the same way. Luda has shitloads of songs that are goofy that I like.

Has anyone heard that remix of 'Get Back' with Luda, 50 and Eminem? That shit is great. 50 is great on that song.

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 7:37 PM

I said the same exact thing in my post...

But you gotta take the fact, sometimes great lyrics and cleverness isnt always what makes a good song.

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 7:45 PM

I said the same exact thing in my post...

Aye, just saw that.

I guess we're in agreeance. I mean, some songs are brilliant with their lyrics, and that's always a huge plus. But honestly, is every good song in the history of recorded music full of goodlyrics? Not necessarily.

The thing that irritates the fuck out of me about Buck is that he just doesn't respect anyone else's opinion on a song. Everytime someone says something about a song or artist he doesn't like, he always posts some shit like ":wtf: Dear god, you think 50 is better than Luda? Jeez, I know I know more about hip-hop than you'll ever wish to, but come on." "That would be a good list if it wasn't for Trick Daddy :cool:" "Go listen to Lil' Wayne :rolleyes:" He just acts like a complete fucking tool in here. I mean, sometimes he's a decent guy, but in this thread, he just comes off as an annoying prick.

Buck, some advice: if you would just stick to posting your opinions on artists, songs and albums instead of trying to state your opinions as fact, then maybe you'd get a little more respect. Constantly shooting down certain artists like Triple Six, Trick Daddy and others is pointless and retarded, because regardless of how you personally feel about them, everyone knows that these men arent' considered jokes in the industry. These are credible and respected rappers.

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 9:28 PM

I agree 100% Tap. He can treat his opinion as law.

jesus sucks

September 4th, 2005, 9:44 PM

he's never a decent guy. he's just a wigger in a $4 checked shirt 30 sizes too big for him.

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 9:45 PM

QuietStorm

September 4th, 2005, 9:52 PM

You aren't a credible artist, fuckface.

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 9:53 PM

Yeah, I'm a 15 year old wigger in a checkered shirt 30 sizes too big for me...

I'm 18, I'm happy with being white, I don't own a single checkered shirt, and my clothes fit me.. but alright. Stick to your soccer tattoos, G.

Trick Daddy and Lil Wayne are not credible artists.

Hahahahahaha.

You may be 18, but you're a dumb as fuck 18 year old. Happy being white? Who gives a fuck. There's lots of white people in here who aren't cunty wiggers like yourself.

And Trick Daddy and Lil Wayne are credible artists. To argue otherwise is just a testament to your stupidity. Not enjoying someone's work doesn't mean they aren't credible. I don't like Garth Brooks, Kenny Chesney, The Rolling Stones, The Brothers Johnson and other artists, but that doesn't mean they aren't credible.

Then again, I don't know why I even try to talk sense to you. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Bottom line, Trick is credible as fuck. He's had tons of hits. He's sold several albums, and he's well-respected in the black community. Same can be said of Lil' Wayne. End of.

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 9:53 PM

:rolleyes:

In YOUR eyes they arent, but in fact they are. Its no use with you....:blah:

jesus sucks

September 4th, 2005, 9:56 PM

so it's been confirmed. everybody in the entire world > Buckmarley.

THE jANK

September 4th, 2005, 10:11 PM

Trick Daddy and Lil Wayne are not credible artists.

Of course they are.

Maybe you'll listen to me since I was unbiased enough to know that you have some skills lyrically. Perhaps you do know which artists produce good lyrics and you listen to only those artists.

Hip hop however is more than lyrics. The DJ is more importnat than the MC. He keeps the crowd hype, he keeps the crowd going, he gives the MC something to flow to. Early hip hop was DJs only spinning records for party people to dance to. Guys like Juicy J, Mannie Fresh, Jermaine Dupri and Lil Jon do this wonderfully.

Guys like Lil Wayne and Trick Daddy are just as important as Nas because their music moves the crowd. They may not be able to touch Nas lyrically, but they can and have produced great songs that put people in a certain move and groove.

It takes more than great lyrics to be a good MC. The audience has to FEEL you. You can be a mediocre lyricist but have awesome charisma and delivery like 50 Cent and still be a good MC. You have to know how to ride a beat and become one with it. Just as important as what you say, is how you say it. Tupac is the greatest because brothas felt his passion, his pain, his joy and his anger.

People in this internet age seem to lose sight that hip hop is still street. Like any genre, it is still intended for those who share the same background as their artists. Most people in the hood relate more to 3-6 Mafia talkin about ridin spnners and sippin syrup than some internet white rapper like Sage Francis talking about what color his fucking sweater it.

Get with the program man and lose the pretentious attitude. Accept the fact that some people actually like certain rappers because they like their style. Who the hell are you to say who is credible or not? Two of my favorite groups of all time are Eightball & MJG and UGK. If anything Eightball and Bun B are incredibably underrated lyricists who happen to make crunk music for the streets. You wouldn't know that though because you'll instantly dismiss them as garbage.

People will stop busting your balls when they finally drop and you broaden your horizons.

DaRocTric

September 4th, 2005, 10:16 PM

^^^ Thats REAL TALK

Morrison

September 4th, 2005, 10:18 PM

The jANK has spoken!

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 10:20 PM

Yeah, some sensible talk that was. Maybe he'll listen to jank. He could really use the advice.

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 11:00 PM

Actually jANK, I mentioned UGK as good southern acts..

It has nothing to do with being 'street'. Cats like Lil Wayne and Trick are clowns. I guess I just prefer hip-hop with substance? :dunno:

Stringer Bell

September 4th, 2005, 11:01 PM

Hahahahahaha.

You may be 18, but you're a dumb as fuck 18 year old. Happy being white? Who gives a fuck. There's lots of white people in here who aren't cunty wiggers like yourself.

Lost all respect for you with that one. "Cunty wiggers"? Come on now, Tap.. at least try!

Neither you or JS have been able to point out what exactly makes me a wigger..

Oh, and..

:rofl: :rolleyes:

TapOut

September 4th, 2005, 11:09 PM

Lost all respect for you with that one. "Cunty wiggers"? Come on now, Tap.. at least try!

Neither you or JS have been able to point out what exactly makes me a wigger..

Reading your posts is all the proof that is needed. I don't have to point anything out: you do it all yourself.

Yeah, disregard all the sensible talk that people put before you and point out that line. Real smart, pal.

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 1:16 AM

Certain shit that was said was very sensible, especially by jANK.. therefore I didn't argue with it. That doesn't change the fact that Trick Daddy and Lil Wayne are shitty ass rappers.

Good reasoning there.. I'm such a wigger ;) I guess Krispy is too, huh? As for JS, it's a shame that you have to keep reverting to the same pathetic insult. Sorry I'm such a wigger. It's not like this is the only thread where your stupidity is running rampant. And you think nobody likes me...

Same shit, different day.

To all the true heads.. who's heard that new O.C. album? Time's Up is a bonafide classic, but I'm iffy about this LP.. any thoughts?

TapOut

September 5th, 2005, 1:41 AM

That doesn't change the fact that Trick Daddy and Lil Wayne are shitty ass rappers.
It's not a fact. Why are you refusing to admit that it's your opinion and not a fact?

Good reasoning there.. I'm such a wigger ;) I guess Krispy is too, huh?

No. Krispy isn't a wigger. He's someone that's understanding of hip-hop and respectful of other people's opinions.

Sorry I'm such a wigger.
It'll take some time for us to forgive you. Oh, wait... that was sarcasm? It was hard to tell because... well... you are a wigger, after all.

I feel terrible for reverting to such childish antics like calling people wiggers, but shit, you're twice as childish as any wigger comment, so I guess it's fitting given the situation.

Same shit, different day.
Sure is. And by same shit, I'm guessing you're talking about yourself being a stuck-up asshole who speaks his redundant (and wrong) 'facts' about hip-hop while simultaneously sucking his own cock.

Suno

September 5th, 2005, 9:07 AM

Everyone should just stop wasting their breath with this clown, he has a very linear train of thought. He obviously isn't understanding what hip-hop is about and basically interrprets it all in his own pretentious way, he might grow out of it and get a grasp for it or the more likely option is he'll move onto some other genre and his shit will continue.

Seanny One Ball

September 5th, 2005, 11:48 AM

Actually jANK, I mentioned UGK as good southern acts..

It has nothing to do with being 'street'. Cats like Lil Wayne and Trick are clowns. I guess I just prefer hip-hop with substance? :dunno:

You like telling people you prefer hip-hop with substance, but the reality is that you're just forcing your opinions on people.

I like you and all, but you can't just act alright one minute and then start throwing words around like you've sold millions of records already and have the right to tell people what's real Hip Hop or what's shitty.
If there's one thing clear from reading your posts in the Hip Hop thread it's that you need to understand your opinion is only as valid as another person's, you need to get that through your head once and for all.

Also you people need to cut out the wigger shit, you're 90% fucking white too. Even you Tim.

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 12:19 PM

No. Krispy isn't a wigger. He's someone that's understanding of hip-hop and respectful of other people's opinions.

So that makes me a wigger? You make no sense.

It'll take some time for us to forgive you. Oh, wait... that was sarcasm? It was hard to tell because... well... you are a wigger, after all.

Damn, you got me there! :lol:

I feel terrible for reverting to such childish antics like calling people wiggers, but shit, you're twice as childish as any wigger comment, so I guess it's fitting given the situation.

What a fucking idiot. Run along with this dumb shit.

Suno

September 5th, 2005, 12:30 PM

you're the dumb one. period.

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 1:14 PM

Right, that's why I have to revert to ridiculous, unfounded remarks like 'wigger'. It'd be one thing if this chump could explain his reasoning, but he says the fact that I'm not 'understanding of hip-hop' or that I don't 'respect other people's opinions' makes me a wigger. It's hilarious. I know know my hip-hop more than you could ever imagine, Tapout... Fuck, you enjoy Nelly.

Didn't Simon say cut the wigger shit pages back anyway? It's funny, Tap, you claim to be half black... I don't know any black people who use that term so freely. Most realize it's just as ignorant as the opposite term. Hell, it's a play off the original word. You and JS are dipshits.

Fro

September 5th, 2005, 2:16 PM

Jesus Christ, all of you are as bad as each other. JUST LET IT GO so we can move on to intelligent conversation.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 5th, 2005, 2:39 PM

YAWN!

All of you shut the fuck up! If you can't stand the views of anyone else in here then for christs sake, ignore them from this point forth!

In other news, I'm listening to Late Registration as I type this, it's alright thus far, already don't like some of these guest appearances, but a good easy listen, music to listen to after work and chill out to. :)

Been seriously considering getting get rich or die trying lately, due to jesus sucks great love of it. I started out as a massive gangstar rap fan, it suited me to the way my life was at the time, and perhaps I'm becoming a little disillushioned to liking all this 'clever' 'internet' rap. I need some pure gangstar rap, dirty badboy beats and great delivery. It shows as I've been listening to Dre and NWA lately...

Please give me some suggestions!!!!!

SUNO. You answer me this time, whitey. Give me some shit! Any of Westwoods recent shit been good? Loved the time I was an ignorant hop hop lover and would soak up his cds! Please help me out here, I'm lost, need to find my way!

Cee-Lo got a new album coming out at all? What about Wu-Tang member projects?

Shut Up, Mooney!

September 5th, 2005, 2:54 PM

ludacris is crap, he's pop music. annoying shouty rapper, crap flow and annoying lyrics. terrible, hate him. no way is he better or more of a "real MC" than 50 cent or Three 6 marfia. that's a fact. didn't ludacris start off as a radio DJ? then he started rapping later on. well 50 cent didn't, making him a "real mc" and ludacris, well, not.

Hmmmm... kinda wrong. Ludacris always rapped... he also worked in radio and ended up becoming a radio DJ. During that time, he was still doin' his own music- and he sold 20,000 of his first independent album before signing to Def Jam South.

Also, Ludacris is one of the more witty MC's out there selling records right now IMO.

You gotr the right to ur opinion, but sometimes folks get facts messed up to make artists they don't like look even worse- LOL...

Raw Is Jonathan

September 5th, 2005, 3:11 PM

Gotta say at the time I liked Word of Mouf, yep realise it was horribly commercial, but that doesn't bother me in the slightest. Loved that one song about GI Joes and Thundercats, can't remember it's name as it has been time since I last listened to that album, uploaded it onto my iPod though, so chances are I'll go back and have a listen. Beauty of my new iPod that is, listening to stuff I would have otherwise left on the shelf. :yes: Going back to Luda, Chicken N Beer, was really disappointed with that effort. Perhaps it was a time I was growing out of that kind of rap... but all I could enjoy from that was 'Hard Times', and without that track then I'm afraid it goes into the 'Streets Disciple' category.

Actually, take back my "this is alright" for Kanye's album, great listen. I'm not going to insult myself or anyone by saying it's the greatest ever, and lyrically it ain't there, but my, a very, very good listen. I'm impressed, was expecting it all to have gone to his head and produce a very commercial orientated album, okay it may venture towards being that, but in a darker way... I like. Anyone else prefer it if he did some sort of duo album though, where he could focus more on the production side, almost a la madvillain?

UK... anyone listen to anything from the UK? Your thoughts...

Raw Is Jonathan

September 5th, 2005, 3:17 PM

Fuck me this 'Gone' is crazy, the music side of it. Type of shit I like. Yes, I see what JS means now. With the reference to 2001. Every song you can listen and the production is on.

:yes:

Raw Is Jonathan

September 5th, 2005, 3:24 PM

YES!

The Talib track :heart:

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 3:50 PM

Eh.. "Gone" is dope, but some tracks on that album are just average. College Dropout was a more thorough and complete album. Not to take away from Late Registration, just seems like some people are making it out to be much better than it really is. I wouldn't even say it's the best of 2005, it's damn good though. "Heard 'em Say", "My Way Home", "Bring Me Down", and "Gone" are great songs.

RIJ, I've been wanting Kanye to do an album like that since he came out. He's just doesn't seem natural as an MC. He has the occasional witty line and nice verse, but some of his stuff is either corny as hell (how about that astrology/uranus line from Jada's LP :lol:), doesn't flow well at all (which is a shame since he does his own beats), or he'll go off on weird little tangents that don't follow the subject matter of the song at all. Imagine an album of nothing but great beats from him, featuring all the great MC's he fucks with.. Jay, Common, Talib, Mos Def, Nas, Consequence, Ludacris, and so on... now that'd be fuckng with The Chronic.

didn't ludacris start off as a radio DJ? then he started rapping later on. well 50 cent didn't, making him a "real mc" and ludacris, well, not.

Holy shit, can't believe I missed that the first time.. funniest shit in this whole thread.

Again, anyone heard that O.C. album yet??

TapOut

September 5th, 2005, 4:56 PM

*Edit...

Fuck, I'm just going to disregard any and all posts above and try one last time:

Buck.....

I appologize for calling you a wigger. I'll be the first to admit it's uncalled for. But so is shooting down nearly everything people claim they enjoy in here. This isn't "Buckmarley's Favorite Hip-Hop Artists and Albums" thread. This is a thread for all of us to discuss what we do and don't like. Many people enjoy Nelly, 3-6, 50 Cent, Lil' Wayne, Trick Daddy, No Limit, Kanye West, Eminem, etc. There will be many who don't. There will be many people who enjoy Wu-Tang, Jay-Z, Ghostface, Raekwon, B.D. Kane, etc. There will be many who won't.

Why is it that when someone posts about an artist you don't like, you can't simply say "I don't care for them because......"? You always directly attack someone's taste. If I say "I picked up that new Camron, thought it was a decent album", I don't see why you feel the need to post some shit like "Tap... you like Camron? Good lord, seriously dude..." Tell me why you don't like him.

I may have lashed out plenty of times in here, but not once have I come straight out and attacked your taste in a certain artist album without you doing it to me first.. You've done it a lot.

Let's just put this silly shit behind us and be respectful of each other's opinions, no? It's all hip-hop music, and each of us is free to pick out what we enjoy.

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 5:16 PM

I usually do tell people why I don't like a certain artist. See my post above, I explain exactly why Kanye is a shitty rapper. But with people like Nelly and Trick Daddy, no explanation is needed :(

You'll be the first to admit calling me a wigger was uncalled for, yet yesterday that's all you could think of to insult me?

TapOut

September 5th, 2005, 5:32 PM

Yeah, I was getting upset because trying to rationally ask you to respect others opinions didn't work. You even just vaguely did it in your last post. Saying that 'with Trick Daddy and Nelly no explanation is needed', that's exactly the type of thing that I'm talking about. Why isn't an explanation needed? Why exactly is it a joke for someone to enjoy those artists? You wanted me to explain why I was calling you a wigger: you aren't, I was being an asshole.

Now, YOU explain to me why no explanation is needed.....those are two artists who have sold millions of albums throughout the black (and white) hip-hop community. Many people of all ages and races enjoy their music, from white teens in the suburbs to grown folks in the ghetto. What is it that makes them so ridiculous to enjoy?

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 5:38 PM

TapOut

September 5th, 2005, 5:47 PM

Nelly's a clown who can't rap. He rocked a band-aid on his face and thought it was gangster. His crew is SHIT. He makes fun records, but he's not good hip-hop. As much as I might love to get drunk, party, or dance to his records... that doesn't make him good hip-hop, at all. Really, who doesn't think Nelly is a joke? You've got to be one of the only people here who actually thinks he makes quality music. I enjoyed a lot of Suit, it was a nice, laid-back record.. "N Dey Say" even had a decent message. He's far from a credible hip-hop artist though.

Trick Daddy on the other hand, is a little more reasonable. He's done some alright stuff, but he's still a shitty rapper. You name songs like "Thug Holiday" as credible tracks he's done, but there are rappers who've done songs with the same subject matter much better. He's just not a good rapper. Fun, but good? Nope. He brings nothing new to the table, just another southern MC rapping about the same shit. What seperates him from anyone else in the south?
Wearing a band-aid on your face is no more ridiculous than carrying a gold goblet or wearing a bandana around one's wrist. He never said he thought it was gangster. It's his style in dress and has little or nothing to do with his music.

I'll be the first to admit that I think his crew is shit. But when they appear on his tracks on his albums, I don't mind them at all. They're merely background singers to me.

Personally, if I'm the only one in here who enjoys Nelly, so be it. I'm not looking to fit in and listen to what everyone else does.

Trick Daddy.. what seperates him from anyone else in the south? Firstly, I feel it was him and P. Miller who brought the south to the table in the hip-hop game, followed closely by 3-6. They each had a style of their own. After these guys hit the scene, an influx of southern rappers hit it big (and still are). I think that if you'll take a listen to what most of today's southern rappers are putting out there and what Trick is putting out, you'll hear that he's quite original and different from the likes of the Scrappys, Banners and Jones'.

TapOut

September 5th, 2005, 5:53 PM

Please give me some suggestions!!!!!

SUNO. You answer me this time, whitey. Give me some shit! Any of Westwoods recent shit been good? Loved the time I was an ignorant hop hop lover and would soak up his cds! Please help me out here, I'm lost, need to find my way!

Cee-Lo got a new album coming out at all? What about Wu-Tang member projects?
Last I heard on Cee-Lo, he was working on a collab effort with Danger Mouse. I can't even remember the name, but this was about 3 or four months ago I read this.

I don't know of any new Wu material, but I picked up a shitload of 4 dollar cd's about a month ago, one of them being Cappadonnas "Yin and the Yang". Awesome album. Falls short of some of the other solo efforts, but I love it because it breaks away from traditional Wu material and goes to more mainstream and funky style beats and simpler lyrics.

DaRocTric

September 5th, 2005, 6:16 PM

I heard somewhere Ghost, Meth, Raekwon, and RZA are making an album together. I expect it to be hot. Rae's B4CL2 is to be out in the future...

Right now, i fucking love that Kiss Your Ass Goodbye remix. Fab and Beans fuckin kill it...

Kris P. Lettus

September 5th, 2005, 9:15 PM

"Haystak Mac Mil is hard as hell,
been here 30 minutes, I'm already making bail,
500 dollars that I kept put back,
incase I'm robbed or arrested and they get me for my sack,
den I'ma re-up with a quickness, be right back in buissness,
learnin leasons small timing, still nickle and dimen',
before rapping was all that rapper rapped about,
before the pistol play suckas got straight knocked out,
before the playa hating and the flagrant faking,
before the rocks were rolled and we were constantly baking,
you don't run when you see the police,
you don't run till them hoes scream freeze.."

But truthfully, I can see why you don't think that's tight.. Cause none of what he raps about happens where you live..

:dolce&gabana:

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 10:01 PM

Good one

:imcoolbecauseimanobodyonmoviesets:

Kris P. Lettus

September 5th, 2005, 10:04 PM

Fuck a movie set..

I was cool way before I started doing that..

Morrison

September 5th, 2005, 10:06 PM

I find it funny that Buck rolls his eyes at "wigger" comments yet will go straight for that generic, typical insult that everybody throws at Krispy...

Kris P. Lettus

September 5th, 2005, 10:09 PM

He has aiight taste in Hip Hop..

It's just his overall personality that's lacking..

Morrison

September 5th, 2005, 10:18 PM

So we've all seen.

Suno

September 5th, 2005, 10:22 PM

EZ Jonnifer! Allow that whitey shit, aint doing my street cred no favours ya fukin jankrow! ;)

To be honest, I can't fucking remember the last Hip hop album I bought, may be down to the ammount of skunk Ive been smoking as of late or maybe the fact that I've been into alot of jungle drum and bass for the past year, so much so I've got me self a pair of 1210's and learn't how to mix, gone as far as playing out at few local nights ya know.(Anyone intrested in listening to a mix hit me up on MSN)

I kinda went off hip-hop, not completely, still listen to all me fav's on the regular but the whole scene just seemed to lose its creativity and diversity, the next rappers album just sounded like an attempt at imitating someone else who had come before and done it better ya know, im not saying thats a rule for the whole scene but in my mind nothing was standing out apart from a grip of UK acts. Now I aint talking about Grime or most of the gash you see on Channel U, im talking about quality UK artists who depict life in the UK in their lyrics. Something I can relate to ya know, which I just wernt doing with the majority, if not all of the mainstream hip hop acts in the US. Yeah they make some hot shit, but honestly imagine jesus sucks on mersyside riding about in his whip with a fucking doo rag on, listening to 50 singing Ice this Ice that, when the closest thing the blokes got to ice is a pair of earrings he bought for his old dears birthday costing 50 notes from argus, meanwhile bloggs is down the street with his shellsuit and his perm telling the scamp to "CALM DOWN, CALM DOWN!". No offence or anything, 50 is nice, infact I might pull out power of the dollar right now. My point is that there is too much shit about I can't really relate to and hence wern't getting into it, apart from a grip of home grown acts whose music as a whole just blew me away.

RiJ, you need to check out people like Klashnekoff, Jehst, Yungun, Phi-life cypher, skinnyman, braintax, taskforce etc. I could keep going, but these guys are top class MC's in every sense coming with refreshing concepts, all class acts in my book, so if you want my advice, their it is, but considering I aint got a fucking scooby doo what the current fads in hip hop are take it with a pinch of salt homeboy.

Kris P. Lettus

September 5th, 2005, 10:23 PM

I can't believe I missed jANKy Mack's post..

Two of my favorite groups of all time are Eightball & MJG and UGK. If anything Eightball and Bun B are incredibably underrated lyricists who happen to make crunk music for the streets. You wouldn't know that though because you'll instantly dismiss them as garbage.

I want to have many beautiful mixed children with you...

People will stop busting your balls when they finally drop and you broaden your horizons.

ahahahahaa

jesus sucks

September 5th, 2005, 10:26 PM

i don't wear hiphop clothes Suno. i wear designer stuff. i'm too good looking to ruin myself with that baggy jeans and huge new-era baseball caps etc. nobody in Liverpool wears baggy hiphop clothes and acts like a rapper, only londoners do that & they look ridiculous.

nice try though, you fucking high pitched squeaky voiced black-londoner.

Suno

September 5th, 2005, 10:37 PM

I swear i see a pic of you wearing a rag, maybe not but who gives a shit ill still fucking merk you ya soft nothern fairy.

:internetthug:

jesus sucks

September 5th, 2005, 10:39 PM

I swear i see a pic of you wearing a rag, maybe not but who gives a shit ill still fucking merk you soft nothern fairy.

:internetthug:

i used to wear nike clothes and stuff up until i was about 17 or 18 but then i grew out of it.

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 10:42 PM

I find it funny that Buck rolls his eyes at "wigger" comments yet will go straight for that generic, typical insult that everybody throws at Krispy...

Well, Krispy is a nobody on movie sets, whether he thinks that makes him cool or not. My comment had some sort of foundation to it. There's nothing about me that makes me a wigger.. that's not even considering how stupid the term is in the first place.

That's right JS.. Liverpool kids do cool shit like get soccer tattoos.

Roc.. where you about that Wu shit? I say drop Meth, and then just make OB4CL like that :yes: Meth used to be the boy, but he's fallen off harder than anyone else in the Wu. Anyway, OB4CL should have Ghost on damn near every track, and only a few non-RZA tracks. I know they've fucked with MF Doom and a few other producers, but hopefully the final cut is mostly RZA.

jesus sucks

September 5th, 2005, 10:44 PM

wigger. stop talking crap you wigger.

Suno

September 5th, 2005, 10:50 PM

:wtf:

Wots wrong with footy tats?

jesus sucks

September 5th, 2005, 10:51 PM

:wtf:

Wots wrong with footy tats?

nothing. he's an idiot. we know that.

Suno

September 5th, 2005, 10:55 PM

booshank!

Morrison

September 5th, 2005, 11:14 PM

He's American, so of course he'll resort to insulting soccer/football/whatever.

And who cares if Krispy is a nobody on movie sets? As a technician, does anybody expect him to a "somebody?" You're trying to insult him with something that isn't insulting...

DaRocTric

September 5th, 2005, 11:21 PM

Morrison

September 5th, 2005, 11:27 PM

Because you look pretty fucking stupid.

Stringer Bell

September 5th, 2005, 11:28 PM

Damn.. so they said it was something different that Cuban Linx 2? Hmm.. should be interesting, I just hope it doesn't slow down the release of that LP, I'm expecting the album of the year right there.

There's nothing wrong with wearing a fucking fitted hat. I'm not into the oversized/tall tees, but fuck all that nonsense about hats.

DaRocTric

September 5th, 2005, 11:46 PM

My points exactly Buck...Though I do wear large Tees, there is nothing wrong with it...

While Raekwon gets ready to drop OB4CL2, production on the album is to be top notch. The producers working with Rae are RZA, Nottz and Dr.Dre. Which Raekwon has said are the only producers working on his album. RZA will get the bulk of the producing, while Dre and Nottz are rumored to be contributing a couple of tracks for the album...

Dre + Raekwon gets me excited...

Stringer Bell

September 6th, 2005, 12:03 AM

Dre and Raekwon sounds interesting, but not natural. We'll see. As long as RZA does 4/5th's or so of the album, it'll be close to a true sequel.

DaRocTric

September 6th, 2005, 12:07 AM

RZA is producing close to 90% of the album.

Stringer Bell

September 6th, 2005, 12:09 AM

I sure hope so. Can't wait.

I'd like to see them do a similar album cover, just an updated version. More great skits.. god, the first album has some of the best skits ever in rap, back when they actually served a purpose. Hopefully RZA gets old school with some of that production, real gritty.. I'm expecting big things.

Suno

September 6th, 2005, 6:36 AM

You'll be dissapointed. Garunteed.

jesus sucks

September 6th, 2005, 7:37 AM

Buck, i heard that on the radio...Raekwon was on with RZA.

JS whats so bad about dressing "Hip Hop". I wear my baggy Dickies pants, XXL White T-Shirt, and 7 and 7/8 sized Fitted Hat like every day...

if you're american it looks ok. that's the style over there. over here when people do it (londoners) they look ridiculous.

du-rags/bandanas are ok under a beanie hat or something for accessory but that's as far as i would go.

i don't like new era caps. i wear trucker caps and designer jeans, t shirts, adidas originals trainers etc.... because i'm a sexy mofo. and that's what other people wear. once in a blue moon i see a big 'homeboy' in the street and he looks a complete joke. huge jeans, denim jacket and basketball jersey with massive new era cap in the middle of summer

Suno

September 6th, 2005, 8:12 AM

mate, trucker caps = homosexual

bet you wear a pink von cunt T with a fucking blazer too :lol:

jesus sucks

September 6th, 2005, 8:15 AM

nah i don't wear von dutch or pink. that's scally (chav?) clothes. i wear propper stuff. i'm the style king lad.

blazers are gay. trucker caps aren't gay. they are better than new era caps, way better. new era caps are so crap and oversized. pharell williams wears truckers and he has loads of women.

t shirts, beanie hates, boot-fit jeans, pants like what seth off the oc wears, adidas original jackets/trainers, converse, brown belt. that kind of stuff.

Suno

September 6th, 2005, 8:23 AM

Sorry, I dont watch pussyclart tings like the O.C, but i catch your drift.

but trucker caps?? bare jokes in my ends relating to fannys who wear em.

Liverpool must be behind on trends if your 'style king'. 'converse' :lol: you crack me up!

jesus sucks

September 6th, 2005, 8:26 AM

hiphop clothes look ridiculous in england.

the kind of places i often go to drink are full of people in similar stuff to me. full of fit birds, full of cool people.

if someone were to come in wearing gangsta american gear they'd be laughed out of the place, infact no they just wouldn't get in in the 1st place. and if they did, they'd be far too hot in all that denim jackets and 5 layers of basketball jersey.

that stuff looks ok if you were to be in south central LA. not in england.

Simon

September 6th, 2005, 10:41 AM

Fuck me. I'm away for two days, and this...

This is getting ridiculous. I'm going to put it very simply:

This all stops now. Any and all people who continue this stupid fucking argument gets banned for a week.

Stringer Bell

September 6th, 2005, 10:49 AM

September looks like it'll be a good little month for hip-hop. AZ dropped today, next week we get Little Brother, MF Grimm, Smif-N-Wesson, and U-God. On the 20th, Cage's shit drops, along with Miri Bin Ari, which might be decent. Warren G on the 27th, which should have some classic west coast G-Funk grooves if nothing else. Also a Sly & Family Stone tribute that looks interesting, with The Roots, Nappy Roots, D'Angelo, Joss Stone, and others.

October's not looking too shabby either. Can't wait for that DJ Muggs/GZA album, should be mind-blowing. Scarface is dropping some new shit too.

Then November.. O.C. Smoke and Mirrors and new Jedi Mind.

I know I'm forgetting some stuff.. but the next few months should provide us with some quality hip-hop :yes:

Stringer Bell

September 6th, 2005, 2:55 PM

pharell williams wears truckers and he has loads of women.

:rofl:

Anyway, the point of a fitted hat is that it fits you.. it's not like everyone wears oversized ones.

You'll be dissapointed. Garunteed.

How exactly? Ghost hasn't ever put out a bad album, he's consistent as hell. With RZA handling most of the beats, we're definitely in for a great album.

Fro

September 6th, 2005, 4:08 PM

Ghost hasn't ever put out a bad album, he's consistent as hell. With RZA handling most of the beats, we're definitely in for a great album.
Agreed. And what's up with that GZA album you mentioned? I haven't really heard anything about it.

QuietStorm

September 6th, 2005, 4:14 PM

I know I'm forgetting some stuff.. but the next few months should provide us with some quality hip-hop :yes:
You are forgetting Canibus. November 22nd. Gonna be huge.

Stringer Bell

September 6th, 2005, 7:19 PM

You are forgetting Canibus. November 22nd. Gonna be huge.

Knew I was forgetting something. It'll definitely be nice to hear some new 'Bus, feels like it's been forever.

The DJ Muggs/GZA album should be a hot little collaboration. I don't know what led to them hooking up, but it sounds like a hell of a pair.

Kris P. Lettus

September 6th, 2005, 8:17 PM

jesus sucks

September 6th, 2005, 8:47 PM

12 songs plus the intro:

1 Intro disc 2
2 For heavens sake
3 Cash still rules scary hours
4 Older Gods
5 The Projects
6 A better tomorrow
7 As high as wu tang get
8 Dog Shit
9 Impossible
10 Duck Seazon
11 Heaterz
12 Bellz of War
13 Triumph.

Suno

September 6th, 2005, 10:02 PM

How exactly? Ghost hasn't ever put out a bad album, he's consistent as hell. With RZA handling most of the beats, we're definitely in for a great album.

Ghost? Dont you mean Rae? Afterall we are talking about OB4CL2, arnt we?

Id a agree if you was talking about Ghost, all his LP's have been consistantly hot. Raekwon is a different case, i doubt he'll reproduce anything remotely close to the orginal cuban linx, and the way your hyping it up ,thats what you seem to expect. Am i wrong?

Fro

September 6th, 2005, 10:14 PM

You are correct good sir, but I believe he was referring to the fact that OB4CL was a Raekwon "with Ghostface Killah" album and he rapped basically the same amount as Rae. With any luck, the new one will be the same.

Suno

September 6th, 2005, 11:06 PM

word, rae + ghost is a sweet combo, one of the best in the game.

always been doubtful as to whether rae could hold down a full solo on his own

Stringer Bell

September 6th, 2005, 11:29 PM

spanish announce table

September 7th, 2005, 8:24 AM

I was listening to FOREVER today and started thinking, if it was only one disk, say 12 tracks, what would I want them to be..

-intro (disk 2)
-reunited
-triumph
-cash still rules/scary hours
-visions
-deadly meadly
-older gods
-it's yours
-duck season
-hell's wind staff
-black shampoo
-dog shit

List your own..

1. Disc 2 Intro
2. Reunited
3. For Heaven's Sake
4. Severe Punishment
5. Older Gods
6. A Better Tomorrow
7. It's Yourz
8. Triumph
9. Impossible
10. Bells of War
11. The MGM
12. Dog Shit
13. Hellz Wind Staff
14. Heaterz

Still, is probably the best hip-hop double album ever.

Picked up AWOL yesterday, and its probably one of the best albums of the year, along with DangerDoom, Black Market and Be. Does anybody know when Ason Unique and Rebirth of a Nation are coming out?

PE's "He Got Game" has got to be one of the best songs ever made.

Suno

September 7th, 2005, 8:43 AM

Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is just as much a Ghostface album as it is a Raekwon album.

I'm not saying it will be on par with the original, but it's still going to be an outstanding record in today's boring hip-hop game. With RZA doing most of the beats and other good producers enlisted, what makes you think it's going to be bad?

Never said it would be bad though did I? just think you're maybe expecting a little too much from this album, honestly, you think it will be 'album of the year'??

Stringer Bell

September 7th, 2005, 11:43 AM

Yeah, I think it'll be album of the year, or at least top 3.

As for Forever, I'd do most of disc 2..

1. Reunited
2. For Heaven's Sake
3. Older Gods
4. Triumph
5. Impossible
6. Deadly Melody
7. The City
8. The MGM
9. Dog Shit
10. Hellz Wind Staff
11. Heatetrz
12. Duck Seazon

Kris P. Lettus

September 7th, 2005, 6:00 PM

Pound for pound disk one is better..

Stringer Bell

September 7th, 2005, 6:31 PM

I dunno, I think Disc 2 as a whole is non-stop classic hip-hop.. I felt there were more tracks from Disc 1 that were disposable.

DaRocTric

September 7th, 2005, 7:47 PM

I got that David Banner 'Certified', a decent lp. Sounds extremely similar to everything else coming out of the south.

THE jANK

September 7th, 2005, 9:16 PM

Wu Tang Forever

1. Reunited
2. For Heaven's Sake
3. Cash Still Rules
4. Visionz
5. It's Yours
6. Triumph
7. The City
8. Bells of War
9. Hellz Wind Staff
10. Heaterz
11. The MGM
12. Impossible
13. Dog Shit

What about favorite members?

1. Rebel INS: Quickly became my fave on this album. "It's only natural, actual facts are thrown at you, the impact will blow trees back and crack statues...I crystalize my rhymes so you can sniff it". I fuckin love this guy.

2. GZA

3. Rae/Ghost

THE jANK

September 7th, 2005, 9:28 PM

Kanye West sold 860,000 albums in the US in the first week of release. I expected about as much.

Tony Yayo sold 214,000. He said he was gonna sell 700, 800? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Yayo is a bitch. He was on 106 & Park saying Fat Joe was scerred at the Mtv awards and ran to Game when he walked off stage after he dissed the G-Unit homos. The crowd was like :blah: Joe would seriously fuck these guys up. Dude is legitimately street and has mad cred in NYC. He doesn't have to roll with 100000 police and bodyguards.

Yayo is the most annoying fag around. I think out of all that crew, I'm feeling Young Buck the most. "Let Me In" is my shit. Banks is a homo that looks like Craig David. Fitty is a bitch ass snitch, the lowest rat in the streets. How you gonna tell the feds that Murder Inc. was founded on drug money and was still drug trafficking? He claims to be a gangsta but disrespects the G-Code. Fuckin Fruit.

Anybody have any news on Crooked I's release?

Suno

September 7th, 2005, 10:05 PM

I dunno, I think Disc 2 as a whole is non-stop classic hip-hop.. I felt there were more tracks from Disc 1 that were disposable.

:wtf:

Never heard that opinion before.

TapOut

September 7th, 2005, 10:10 PM

I think out of all that crew, I'm feeling Young Buck the most. "Let Me In" is my shit. Banks is a homo that looks like Craig David.
Blahahaha, Banks does look like Craig David, come to think of it.

Yeah, I'm not feeling Yayo at all. He was hyped the most, but his album is absolutely lackluster. Not bad, but as I said, it offers absolutely nothing that countless other albums don't offer much better.

Straight Outta Cashville was a good album, I especially liked 'Shorty Wanna Ride' and 'Bang Bang'.

Fro

September 7th, 2005, 10:32 PM

:wtf:

Never heard that opinion before.

I don't think its that absurd. Not including Second Coming and The Closing (which aren't real rap tracks), I'd say the two most disposable tracks are on Disc 1: For Heaven's Sake and Maria. There are more mediocre tracks on Disc 2 like The Projects, Deadly Melody and The City, but I'd take all 3 of them over those two on the first disc.

DaRocTric

September 7th, 2005, 10:41 PM

Straight Outta Cashville was a good album, I especially liked 'Shorty Wanna Ride' and 'Bang Bang'.

I fucking love Straight Outta Cashville. I liked every song. Its true to the streets. Buck stayed raw.

In other news, Papoose follows Kanye West. He dropped a new song on StreetSweepers Radio on Shade45 tonight.

http://rapidshare.de/files/4844143/papoosenrazah-mother_nature.mp3.html

Its called Mother Nature. He gets at Bus throughout the whole song along with Razah. I like Papoose. He doesnt have as much talent as Saigon. But he is good.

Stringer Bell

September 7th, 2005, 10:49 PM

I know lots of people who think Disc 2 > Disc 1. "It's Yourz" was decent, but an easy cut if you ask me. Disc 2 is just phenominal. It's a dope album as a whole, just that's what I'd do to make it 12 tracks.

My problem with Papoose is he doesn't show much emotion at all. His lyrics are decent on paper, but he sounds just like any other MC, and like he doesn't really care about what he's saying.

Fro

September 7th, 2005, 10:56 PM

It's Yourz is DOPE.

Super freak physique, like Raphael Saadiq
Baby love the ganja leaf everday of the week...

Stringer Bell

September 7th, 2005, 11:26 PM

I used to like it back when they had the video for it and shit, but I dunno.. I've fallen in love with other tracks from the album more.

Stringer Bell

September 7th, 2005, 11:37 PM

Hot new Nas track out.. "Death Anniversary"

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UTQ3DQQZ04ND1NF43G8QE46E3

Show some love, bitches

Kev

September 8th, 2005, 6:29 AM

Bitches? Don't be hating now..

Seanny One Ball

September 8th, 2005, 8:13 AM

Banks is a homo that looks like Craig David.

aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Suno

September 8th, 2005, 8:31 AM

I don't think its that absurd. Not including Second Coming and The Closing (which aren't real rap tracks), I'd say the two most disposable tracks are on Disc 1: For Heaven's Sake and Maria. There are more mediocre tracks on Disc 2 like The Projects, Deadly Melody and The City, but I'd take all 3 of them over those two on the first disc.

Black shampoo is pretty throw away.

jesus sucks

September 8th, 2005, 10:46 AM

aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha

that wasn't funny. people have been saying that for 3 years. i know the jANK is your favourite poster and all but really, that wasn't funny :D

Seanny One Ball

September 8th, 2005, 12:53 PM

I haven't ever heard that before, but it was funny :yes:

jANK is the gravy on my mashed potato.

jesus sucks

September 8th, 2005, 1:53 PM

he puts the gravy factory's kids through college.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 8th, 2005, 2:02 PM

Fave Wu?

1. Masta Killah
2. GZA
3. RZA
4. Rebel INS/Raekwon/Ghost

As for Forever... well that is one to think about, and will get back to you on. :yes:

Seanny One Ball

September 8th, 2005, 2:13 PM

I prefer Rae, Ghost and Meth from Wu to be honest.

U-God pisses me off.

Stringer Bell

September 8th, 2005, 4:42 PM

Favorite Wu members

1) Ghostface
2) GZA
3) Raekwon
4) Masta Killa
5) Inspectah Deck/RZA

Kris P. Lettus

September 8th, 2005, 6:27 PM

Sounds extremely similar to everything else coming out of the south.

Everything from the South doesn't sound the same.. That's like saying everything from the North sounds the same.. Similar, yes, the same, no..

Favorite Wu members ATM..

-Ol Dirty
-Rebel INS
-RZA
-Masta Killa

Stringer Bell

September 8th, 2005, 6:46 PM

He said similar, Krispy..

Banner's new album isn't horrible.. it's a fun little listen. "Play" is still goofy as hell.. I mean can you rip off the biggest single of the year a little more?

Kris P. Lettus

September 8th, 2005, 7:13 PM

He actually said "extremly similar", which to me means "the same"..

I'm guessing "play" is the "run girl" single.. I don't see it as ripping because a) he could have came up with it before Ying Yang Twins, b) he just took a new and inovative style and used it..

Mobb Deep didn't rip off Wu Tang by using a grimey style that wasn't present before 36 Chambers..

Stringer Bell

September 8th, 2005, 8:45 PM

He's whispering the whole track (which was pretty corny to begin with), and talking about the exact same stuff. He could've came with something a little more original for a single.

THE jANK

September 8th, 2005, 8:48 PM

trucker caps aren't gay. they are better than new era caps, way better. new era caps are so crap and oversized. pharell williams wears truckers and he has loads of women.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Parrell getting loads of women has nothing to do with his millions of dollars, it's because of his faggy trucker hats.

You illiterate, skinny, bleached blonde, crackhead, muppet looking bitch.

http://pix4.hotornot.com/pics/HR/HZ/H8/KZ/NEOYGZGFLLXP.JPG

:rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :rofl: