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Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 8:00 PM
Im trustworthy too, I just havent been here long enough...Trust me that song is crazy.

Drama Setter (s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IYFGMY59VS1J2W2JRF55MIJOD)


Pfft...I wouldn't trust you with a mouthful of jizz, Tric.


Kris - I mean heavy as in like...bass wise and in terms of being an aggressive song.

See:

Troublesome '96 by Pac
New York - Ja, Joe, Jada
Platinum Plus - Big L, Big Daddy Kane
Aint No Half Steppin - Big Daddy Kane
Also the beat from This Is How We Do by Game and 50. They wasted the lyrics but I'd do the beat goodness.

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 8:02 PM
You no like the song? I think its a crazy song...Em and Obie shine...especially Em on the beat...

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 8:04 PM
Em hasn't shined since SSLP.

MMLP was decent, I regret paying for it though.

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 8:06 PM
Well, it means what you mean as shine...he did good...MMLP was his second best cd in my opinion...totally worth the 13.99 i payed for it. I still wish his Bad Meets Evil days will come back

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 8:07 PM
Three 6 Mafia-Is Anyone Out There
Twista-Adrienaline Rush
MOP-Ante Up
UGK-Murder
RZA-Where Ever I Go
Ghetto Boys-Scarface (interlude)

I'll add more as I think of them..

p.s. all those songs are bass heavy..hope that's what you meant..

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 8:08 PM
How about you hold your mouth and stop talking about something you don't know?

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 8:11 PM
Hey, since I'm on a yousendit kick, here's a couple to try out..

New York, same as Ja's version, except The Game features...

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0372BPHQSAGST2YUC0GXUTJS8P

And that remix of Lean Back I've been ranting over.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2U9VG4UIO4QQZ2UXV079HXRZBT

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 8:11 PM
I do know what Im talking about, you just have a totally different view then me, I do spot good hip-hop and crappy commercial rap...Its been my whole life...Just cuase we dont agree doesnt mean i dont know what hip-hop is, or at least good hip-hop in that fact...

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 8:16 PM
I fucking love Eminem, but I thought that song was shit.......

But hey, I love a lot of admittedly shit songs, so I'm no judge.

Stringer Bell
July 10th, 2005, 8:16 PM
Em's most recent stuff has been wack as hell, but he impressed me on that "Emulate" track with Obie. Nice stuff.

Simon
July 10th, 2005, 8:20 PM
Lean Back Remix feat. Biggie.... (one of the best fucking remixes ever)YES.

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 8:21 PM
Also, if you can get past bland (although not necessarily bad) lyrics, that remix of Phil Collin's "In the Air Tonight" by Lil Kim is pretty hot. Great beat.

QuietStorm
July 10th, 2005, 8:22 PM
Well, it means what you mean as shine...he did good...MMLP was his second best cd in my opinion...totally worth the 13.99 i payed for it. I still wish his Bad Meets Evil days will come back
I notice your CD for 99 cents what
Blank CD's a dollar fifty,
you'd make more if you'd shut the fuck up


From Chino XL....

to Eminem.

Simon
July 10th, 2005, 8:24 PM
Also, if you can get past bland (although not necessarily bad) lyrics, that remix of Phil Collin's "In the Air Tonight" by Lil Kim is pretty hot. Great beat.
2pac and DMX have both done it better, though.

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 8:28 PM
2pac and DMX have both done it better, though.

Aye. I didn't think of the Tupac version. I have it though: bass is definetely heavier on that version as well.

I never knew DMX did one, so I'm on ares as we speak.

Stringer Bell
July 10th, 2005, 8:29 PM
No, but I could hook you up with some Asian porn.

:D

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 8:32 PM
Aye. I didn't think of the Tupac version. I have it though: bass is definetely heavier on that version as well.

I never knew DMX did one, so I'm on ares as we speak.

Track 16 off It's Dark and Hell is Hot, methinks..

Want to talk about awesome samples, MOP's "Cold as Ice" is outstanding..

Stringer Bell
July 10th, 2005, 8:36 PM
Or everything in the RZA's discography, especially Supreme Clientele. Some of the best hip-hop sampling ever if you ask me.

Pretty Toney has some dope samples too... fuck that sped up shit, "Holla" shows you how to REALLY freak those old soul samples..

Speaking of MOP, it's a shame they're officially G-Unit now. I just can't see that partnership turning out for the better..

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 8:44 PM
Speaking of MOP, it's a shame they're officially G-Unit now. I just can't see that partnership turning out for the better..

I hadn't heard that..

Tis a damn shame.. Last I heard they'd recorded an album for Rocafella and Dame Dash still was going to release..

:dunno:

Stringer Bell
July 10th, 2005, 8:51 PM
Yeah, that album was never gonna see the light of day. What was it, two summers ago, when they were dropping singles for it? "Put It In the Air" was promising... the Roc was more concerned with dropping corny shit like Young Gunz, I guess.

I dunno if Dame is still gonna put out the material they recorded or what. But they're officially signed with G-Unit now (there's even a MOP/50 Cent track out), same with Mobb Deep :(

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 8:54 PM
Wait....MOP = G Unit... :wtf:


They were legit MC's until now.

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 8:55 PM
Well, all I can say is atleast G-Units production is decent.. MOP and Mobb Deep will prolly still shine...

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 8:58 PM
Right...so now Mobb are doing a track with those cunts?

Fuck that.

I might actually mailbomb them now.

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 10:24 PM
I notice your CD for 99 cents what
Blank CD's a dollar fifty,
you'd make more if you'd shut the fuck up


From Chino XL....

to Eminem.

Dont try and say i dont buy CDs. I dont download any cds. I may download mixtapes and singles, but if there is an album I want, Ill spend the measly 10-15 dollars for it. I just bought Royce Da 5'9 'Independents Day', Cassidy 'Ima Hustla', Common 'BE', Beanie Sigel 'B.Coming' Boyz n Da Hood, etc...

I get all this hate jus for saying I like a fucking song. Yall is acting like Im a g-unit groupie. I done said I like the song, yall dont have to. I like it for Em, the beat and Obie. Ill say it now, I cant stand Tony yayo. The only rapper in G-unit, I like is Young Buck. I thought he had a great CD. And yes, MOP, Mobb Deep and G-unit is just wrong, I wouldnt of minded seeing them as just part of Aftermath but not what 50.

Anyways, anyone hear Joey got a 2.5 from both The Source and VIBE magazine. The Growth so far isnt that much...

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Yall is


You're a white girl aren't you?

I bet you are.

Dickface

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 10:46 PM
Shut the fuck up my man, I bet you mad white my dude. Im a black/dominican man from the Bronx my dude. So why the fuck you hating on someone just cuase of what the fuck i said. Damn, yall is acting like some bitches over bullshit

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 10:48 PM
You call yourself a tric...yet you're a brother from the hood?

Dan The Man
July 10th, 2005, 10:50 PM
BX in the house.

QuietStorm
July 10th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Dont try and say i dont buy CDs. I dont download any cds. I may download mixtapes and singles, but if there is an album I want, Ill spend the measly 10-15 dollars for it. I just bought Royce Da 5'9 'Independents Day', Cassidy 'Ima Hustla', Common 'BE', Beanie Sigel 'B.Coming' Boyz n Da Hood, etc...
I don't really care what you buy. I burn music all the time. The music industry and Hollywood, it is all the same. They tell you how much money they are losing and it is all one huge lie. I support Canibus, Cage, Aesop Rock, AZ, Ras Kass and a few various others....that is about it unless there is an album I want in my collection.

And that was a nice little diss by Chino, because Eminem's albums are in secondhand stores for 99 cents all the time.

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 10:55 PM
my fault, i thought you was using Chinos diss towards me....

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 10:57 PM
my fault, i thought you was using Chinos diss towards me....


I will forever be convinced that you are a cock from now on.

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 11:01 PM
One Ball, its not the same shit your thinking, it aint describing it as a person or a persons name, or saying anyone is a "trick." It means The Rest iz Conquered. Roc isnt referring Roc-a-fella,,,It uses the Roc as in the stepping stone, the arrival...

Man Im tired of all your shit talking, just cuz you spend countless hours in front of a computer screen trying to act tough, in front of people who really dont give a shit about you, it doesnt mean shit to me. i dont care who you are or who your trying to be, just stop, grown up people are trying to have a talk, and its not gonna get anywhere if you keep giving out hate to everyone who has a damn opinion.

Dan The Man
July 10th, 2005, 11:05 PM
So it's more like "The Stepping Stone The Rest Iz Conquered."

...of course...

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Yes it is, thank you...

Dan The Man
July 10th, 2005, 11:11 PM
You're welcome. Just call me Boogie Down Dan...

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 11:13 PM
No problem Boogie Down Dan, what part of the Bronx, I live in the crap called South Bronx.

Dan The Man
July 10th, 2005, 11:23 PM
I... but... and then you thought... um... yeah, no, good... ok...

...aaaaanyway...

Even further south than the South Bronx... Manhattan... but I spread my love all over the city, and the BX is by far my third or fourth favorite borough...

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 11:29 PM
BX in the house.

lol

Stringer Bell
July 11th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Cassidy and Boyz N The Hood are garbage, especially Boyz.. more overhyped rap :no: Those Royce and Common LP's are good though.

Anyway, I'm waiting still eagerly awaiting The Growth, fuck the Source and Vibe. Joey's not my favorite MC, but I love how he gives everything a personal vibe. I'm into a lot of his stuff.

Quiet.. thanks for that Buckshot/9th Wonder LP. Suprised you don't like it.. I mean, if you're not a 9th Wonder fan, I guess that's understandable.. but Buckshot brings that early 90's NY feel, I never tire of it..

DaRocTric
July 11th, 2005, 10:33 AM
Yeah BNTH and Cassidy are overhyped, Cassidy had like 4 good songs it. No wonder it sold like 92,000 first week. Joey is one of my favorite, I enjoyed his first CD, and I like his song with Nate Dogg 'Gangsta Party'. I like that Buckshot/9th Wonder. I want Royce n MIC to drop some information on 'July 5th'.

I just got the new Stat Quo mixtape. Its nice. I cant wait for him to drop 'Statlanta'. He is just one of the many rapper out there, that dont get enough recognition. Due to the fags in G-Unit.

QuietStorm
July 11th, 2005, 10:44 AM
This'll hold you guys off until Immortal Technique releases The Middle Passage....



Hasan Salaam - Paradise Lost (http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UW3X84CBVIDL18G8AAZ2QP5QJ)


01. Paradise Lost (Premonition)
02. Diaspora
03. Blaxploitation
04. Eternal Life... ft. Hicoup & Sundiata
05. Fountain of Youth ft. Baron of Red Clay
06. The Blues
07. 1 Life to Give ft. Nana Soul
08. Affair to Remember
09. Concrete Watercolors ft. Hicoup
10. Boom Bap
11. Allegro
12. Hezbollah
13. Born to a Tomb
14. The Drinking Gourd



(there are actually 17 tracks, but 15 and 16 are just a few seconds of air)

Bandit
July 11th, 2005, 11:08 AM
I... but... and then you thought... um... yeah, no, good... ok...

...aaaaanyway...

Even further south than the South Bronx... Manhattan... but I spread my love all over the city, and the BX is by far my third or fourth favorite borough...
:rofl: Hahahaha

Stringer Bell
July 11th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Stat Quo's not that talented if you ask me. Just another generic southern rapper.. but each to their own.

DaRocTric
July 11th, 2005, 12:27 PM
I just think is a good artist, and doesnt get the recognition he deserves.I enjoy his music. Talented = Saigon, Murda Mook, Chammilionaire, Royce da 5'9, Obie Trice, I.T, etc...

Stringer Bell
July 11th, 2005, 1:13 PM
Saigon and Royce are the only ones I fuck with outta that list. I dunno how you could dig a real lyricist like Saigon, but then fuck with Cha and Stat Quo.. :dunno: Whatever you enjoy though..

One thing we can all agree on...

Pretty Ricky need to die.

DaRocTric
July 11th, 2005, 2:04 PM
Yes he does.

I just enjoy their music. I think we can all agree Chammilionaire is smart by dumping 'The Peoples Champ' Paul Wall.

I think Murda Mook is talented and has potential.

Obie is underated.

Saigon = Excellence

Royce = The most underated rapper in the game today.

Immortal technique = You all should know the answer to this...

I basically think just becuase they arent real good lyricist doesnt mean they cant make good music.

Stringer Bell
July 11th, 2005, 2:42 PM
I just enjoy their music. I think we can all agree Chammilionaire is smart by dumping 'The Peoples Champ' Paul Wall.

I think Murda Mook is talented and has potential.

Obie is underated.

Immortal technique = You all should know the answer to this...

I basically think just becuase they arent real good lyricist doesnt mean they cant make good music.

Eh. I think all that Houston junk sucks for the most part. Mike Jones, Chamillionaire, Paul Wall, etc.. just not my kind of rap. Honestly haven't heard much of Murda Mook. Obie is average, I'll definitely say he's been stepping his game up. And yeah, Immortal's been one of my favorites for awhile.

Yeah, you don't have to be a great lyricist to make good music (Dr. Dre for example).. but to me, a guy like Paul Wall just sucks.

QuietStorm
July 11th, 2005, 3:42 PM
Either of you tools check out Hasan Salaam?

DaRocTric
July 11th, 2005, 3:43 PM
Yeah, I downloaded it, I just havent listened to it yet. I heard the name. Hopefully I like it.

Paul Wall does suck. Him and Mike Jones really spit nursery rhymes.

Morrison
July 11th, 2005, 4:01 PM
Either of you tools check out Hasan Salaam?
I'm downloading it now, but what the hell do I need to open a .rar file?

QuietStorm
July 11th, 2005, 4:02 PM
winRAR.

Morrison
July 11th, 2005, 4:03 PM
Ah thank you.

Seanny One Ball
July 12th, 2005, 12:08 PM
I need someone to help me find a site that will store music that I've got.

I just need to upload so I can share....

TapOut
July 12th, 2005, 8:52 PM
yousendit.com

megaupload.com

DaRocTric
July 12th, 2005, 8:59 PM
filefront, rapidshare, what he posted...

crazye
July 12th, 2005, 9:03 PM
I don't know how far back you guys go, but if you want some diamonds in the rough, go pick up Black Sheep A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing, its from around 1991 and a regular in my IPod, whole album is sick.

spanish announce table
July 12th, 2005, 10:18 PM
2 new Raekwon & Ill Bill tracks produced by Scram Jones. Check out "Enemy" and "Thousand M's".

Rae & Bill "Weed vs Cocaine" mixtape coming out soon.

Stringer Bell
July 13th, 2005, 2:33 AM
Raekwon and Ill Bill? :wtf: Tight combination, but what's going on with OB4CL2? I need to check out those songs..

QuietStorm
July 13th, 2005, 6:04 PM
"It is definitely head wrappy.
Not to discredit the I Used to Love H.E.R. guy...I know he is infallible due to his ability to break dance on stage while smoking faggots like incense, but I just don't buy into the image he projects.

I like to imagine him and Kanye hanging out at a high school party playing dominoes while Common schools Kanye on how to seem more spiritual.

They exchange guilty glances in between cheerleaders and coke lines.


Speaking of Coke, that commercial he did is proof that not only will the revolution be televised, but it will also come with diabetes and union busting action! Order now, before the neo-soul movement becomes even less interesting." - Sage Francis on Common


:lol: Sage is a funny dude.

Simon
July 13th, 2005, 6:06 PM
Speaking of amazing Jewish reggae rappers, Matisyahu is quality.

Seanny One Ball
July 14th, 2005, 4:54 PM
yousendit.com

megaupload.com


Cheers mate.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=27L90JLK

A song I did a while back.
Rip me up and throw me away, I'm done.

QuietStorm
July 14th, 2005, 6:56 PM
This won't be going on the mixtape or the album so he just leaked it himself....


Canibus - Shakedown (http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3UPA51RTLKC511EOQ0H6UCSE1G)

Canibus - Shakedown (Phathom remix) ((much better)) (http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2A9VEMN5HU9E61TWW1KHYSRBKO)



I still don't know if I am at liberty to say this, but Canibus has been in the studio recording some tracks with Chino XL. One also features Crooked I.

TapOut
July 15th, 2005, 4:23 PM
Damn, that song 'Playas Only' by R. Kelly w/ The Game is a fucking hot track.

It has The Game, Scott Storch producing, and the words "pussy" and "beat it up" in the song: it's close enough to hip-hop for me to mention in here...

Hot track, hot album. R. Kelly is the fucking man.

QuietStorm
July 15th, 2005, 5:17 PM
Bio



What follows below is a detailed life-long history of Chris Palko, aka Cage. While there is a whole lot of information here, none of it is filler; everything detailed below was instrumental in making Cage who he is at this point, and the story below is one of the most insane, crazy, tortured and triumphant stories you could imagine. Cageís life has gone from watching his father shoot heroin, to addiction and violence and mental institutions to cutting an album for Columbia Records and being a rising star in the heyday of the NYC independent rap scene, to the final culmination and personal triumph that this album has become. Itís a brand new record from someone who has been through more extreme circumstances than most people could ever imagine, and has come out triumphant and a better person because of it, and whose artistic vision now reflects this.



EARLY LIFE:



+ Born in Wurzberg, Germany to American parents. His father, Bill Murray, was an MP in the US army stationed on West German military base where Cage and his parents lived until Bill was dishonorably discharged for selling and using heroin. When he was 4, Cage and his family were sent back to the US where they took up residence in Middletown, NY.



+ When they got to Middletown, his father continued to abuse heroin, often making Cage assist by pulling homemade tourniquets around his arm. His father left them suddenly with another woman. The last time Cage saw his father, he had a standoff with the Middletown state troopers after threatening his family with a shot gun. He was arrested and Cage has not seen him since. He was 8 years old at the time.



TEENAGE LIFE:



+ By the time his mother was on her third marriage, Cage was getting kicked out of Middletown Highschool during his freshman year. His stepfather would beat him up, punch him in the head, even leaving a scar over his eye. Around this time, Cage started using drugs (LSD, mescaline, weed, alcohol)



+ His mother sent him to live with his uncle (a Vietnam vet who never retired from the army) on a German military base for a year. That uncle hated him, beat him up and sent him home to America after a year.



+ Chris started getting into all sorts of trouble, including getting arrested (for drug possession, fighting in the streets, etc). He was 16 years old at this point. He was put on probation for charges, but after several violations found himself facing real jail time. His mother convinced the judge that Chris was mentally unstable and instead of prison he was sent to the Stony Lodge Psychiatric hospital for a 2 week evaluation which turned into an 18 month stay.



+ During his stay at "The Lodge", Chris was part of a small group of medical guinea pigs who were chosen to be the test subjects for a new and untested drug called Prozac, which hadnít hit the market yet. Misdiagnosed and placed on Prozac, Cage became suicidal and made several attempts to try and kill himself (first by hanging himself by his own shoe laces, then by saving up his mandatory lithium doses for a month and ingesting all at once). He was subsequently put on suicide watch.



+ He was restrained over twenty times for periods of up to 13 hours at a time (illegally), sometimes by straightjacket, sometimes by 10 point bed restraints. Cage would later refer to this period in his life as his "rap college". He would spend his time doing the only thing he could, which was go deep into his mind and hone his imagination into the visceral and dramatic writing style he has to this day.



+ After being subjected to Lithium, Prozac, and a host of other drugs (and then even more drugs to counter the side effects produced by all the initial medication), Chris went from being a troubled teenager into a legitimately bi-polar young man.



+ He was eventually released on outpatient program and christened himself Alex, after the protagonist from A Clockwork Orange.



RAP LIFE:



+ 18 years old, fresh out of the lodge, Cage decided to pursue his the talent he honed while in hell and try to become a professional rapper. He made a demo, got a manager and was introduced to Pete Nice of 3rd Bass fame. Pete featured Cage on his solo effort "Dust to Dust" on the song "Rich Bring ĎEm Back" in 1993. This was his first appearance on a rap record.



+ Through Pete Nice Cage met fledgling radio personality Bobbito Garcia who had just started his soon to be legendary late night mix show with DJ Stretch Armstrong. He was invited up to the show several time, earning a rep in the emerging underground NY scene as a savage and raw new MC with an original style based on his tortured life and demented imagery



+ Through his connection with that show, he met and formed a strong friendship with the KMD (whose front man Zev Love X would eventually be known as MF DOOM) and formed a very strong friendship with the late great Subroc. Cage was the last person to see Subroc alive before he was killed. He also became associated with and close to: Kurious Jorge, K-Solo, Godfather Don, Artifacts, Pharoah Monch, El-P (who actually worked with cage briefly in 1994 on a 3 song demo now lost to the world), the Juggaknots and many more.



+ Bobbito and Pete Nice started a label through Columbia Records called Hoppoh and was on the verge of singing cage as one of their first releases. At this time cage was heavily abusing drugs and every time he got into the studio he was too high to record anything that Columbia thought was worthy of a major label release.



+ Frustrated and dejected, Cage put his rap dreams on hold and moved back to Middletown where he got deeper and deeper in drug abuse and found out he was having a child.



+ In 1997, Cageís friend and mentor Bobbito Garcia started his own independent label Fondle 'Em Records, and offered cage a twelve inch deal. Refocused and determined to get it right this time, Cage penned the single Agent Orange b/w Radiohead. The single would go on to be one of the landmark records of the golden era of NYC underground/independent rap music and propelled Cage into cult star status.



+ After a few more singles with Fondle ĎEm, Cage met and became friends with Philly to New York transplant rap group The High And the Mighty. He formed a group with them called the Smut Peddlers, and Rawkus (who were riding high on albums by Company Flow and Mos Def, to name a few) offered them a full length album deal through Eastern Conferenceís imprint, Eastern Conference. The record sold over 50 thousand copies and solidified Cageís status as a rising rap star in the independent scene.



+ Cage went on to do more records with Eastern Conference including his first solo record Movies for the Blind. The record was the realization of the very character he became through his tortured early years, relying on raw, savage, often cruel, misogynistic, gritty and rebellious attitudes he had formed through his earlier years. The record struck a chord, selling 15 thousand copies in just 2 weeks, and his legion of dedicated fans grew ever bigger, attracted to his visceral and dangerous persona and music. He traveled the world several times over in support of the record and became a major draw in the independent show circuit.



+ Soon after he started the supergroup Weathermen, comprised of good friends Camu Tao, El-P, Aesop Rock, Yak Ballz, Tame 1, Breeze of the Juggaknots and Vast Aire.



+ Restless with his artistic direction and feeling trapped by a persona created out of his troubled youth, he found himself at a crossroads. He felt as though he was squandering his writing abilities and catering to music with content that only scratched the surface of what he was about. He no longer wanted to project crazy for the sake of crazy and grew tired of showing the results of his past and how they reflected on his personality. Instead, he wanted to explain why he was the way he was and wanted to make a record that he could play for his daughter someday; a record that reflected the man he was now while at the same time finally shedding light on the source of his rage, pain and rebellion. It was at this point that he and El-p started to seriously talk about making an album that would truly realize his desire to take his art to another level. They cautiously talked and imagined this transformation for over a year, culminating with his signing with Definitive Jux records. El-p and Cage worked together to bring these ideas to fruition, and the result is a cathartic and radical statement of a tortured boy turned man. A detailed, imaginative and often disturbing look into the dark territory that Cage had so closely guarded from the fans that loved him.


Puts the "Stripes" track in a whole new perspective.

QuietStorm
July 15th, 2005, 5:45 PM
Here's the official updated tracklist for AZ's A.W.O.L. album....

01. Intro (Produced by Heatmakerz)
02. Omega (Produced by Tone Mason)
03. The Come Up (Produced by DJ Premier)
04. Magic Hour feat. CL Smooth (Produced by Tone Mason)
05. No Strings (Produced by Baby Paul/BpZy)
06. Never Change (Produced by Heatmakerz)
07. A.W.O.L. (Produced by Vinny Idol)
08. AZís Chillin (Produced by Fizzy Womack)
09. Envious feat. Bounty Killer (Produced by MoSS)
10. Canít Stop Wonít Stop (Produced by Frado)
11. Live Wire (Produced by Buckwild)
12. New York feat. Ghostface (Produced by Emile)
13. The Truth (Produced by DJ Absolut & Young Calvin)
14. Bedtime Story feat. Slick Rick (Produced by Jimmy Kendrixx & Baby Paul/BpZy)
15. So Sincere (Produced by Heatmakerz)
16. City Of Gods (Produced by Disco D)

DaRocTric
July 15th, 2005, 6:44 PM
Damn, that song 'Playas Only' by R. Kelly w/ The Game is a fucking hot track.

It has The Game, Scott Storch producing, and the words "pussy" and "beat it up" in the song: it's close enough to hip-hop for me to mention in here...

Hot track, hot album. R. Kelly is the fucking man.


You heard he is coming out with Trapped in the Closet 6-10. Including a midget. TP3 Reloaded is classic Kells.

TapOut
July 15th, 2005, 7:10 PM
You heard he is coming out with Trapped in the Closet 6-10. Including a midget. TP3 Reloaded is classic Kells.

Hell yeah.

I watched the DVD that came with the CD, and at the end, there was a little message from Kelly about the 6-10 parts....

I love the part in Chpt. 5 when he says "Well, well, well: what the f*** is this? A condom in my bed? You better start talkin b****.... before I take a match and burn this MOTHER F***** DOWN!!!!!"

You just have to hear it....

Yeah, Kelly never ceases to amaze me. In fact, I go into his albums thinking "There's no way this album will be as good as the last", or "there's no way I'll enjoy this album as much as last one"... Sure enough, each album is amazing. I really loved Happy People and How Did You Manage from his last album, and even his appearances are awesome, like So Sexy Remix with Twista (You ain't never heard a slow jam like this, never been to island like this) and Wonderful with Ja and Ashanti (Oh-oh-oh-o-oh oh!). Hell, even his bonus songs like Heaven I Need A Hug that are released as add-ons at later dates are amazing.

Well, enough about Kelly..... he's not totally hip-hop.

But my focus was on Playas Only, which is one hell of a song. Scott Storch is rapidly becoming hot shit, possibly the new Kanye West, if he drops an album of his own. I'm not familiar with his work (at least not knowingly). But I've been hearing his name dropped a lot, much like Kanye before he hit it big.

DaRocTric
July 15th, 2005, 9:50 PM
Scott Storch has a lot of nice production...He reminds me a lot of Alchemist, and not cuase he is white, but becuase they do all there work behind the scenes not like Lil Jon, kanye, making CDs and being on tracks.

Stringer Bell
July 16th, 2005, 12:18 AM
"Playa's Only" is wack as hell. Hot beat, but Kelly's especially lame on that track. Game spits almost the same bullshit as he did on "How We Do". In my opinion, Kelly hasn't been on his "A" game since that album with "Down Low" and "Cant Seep".

Anyway, yeah, Storch is everywhere. Most recently stuff like Fat Joe's "Get It Poppin".. he really blew up when he did "Lean Back" though. But he originally started with The Roots, that real shit.

Roc :wtf: Alchemist released his own CD, and has rapped on several tracks before. I know what you mean though, the whole point of a producer is to stay behind the boards. Dr. Dre made that producer/rapper popular, and people like Kanye and Lil Jon (if you can call him a rapper) followed.

Chris Scott
July 16th, 2005, 12:35 AM
Went to see see Snopp Dogg Monday night here in the UK, good show he played his new sonds and off course his old school songs. So yeaterday I went out and got his Greatest Hits and The Last Meal and No Limit as a box Cd set, all for a very nice price. Gonna listen to them and get back into Snopp since seeing him live now.

Stringer Bell
July 16th, 2005, 1:46 AM
Went to see see Snopp Dogg Monday night here in the UK, goos show he played his new sonds and off course his old school songs. So yeaterday I went out and got his Greatest Hits and The Last Meal and No Limit as a box Cd set, all for a very nice price. Gonna listen to them and get back into Snopp since seeing him live now.

Gotta cop Doggystyle.. that might as well be his true Greatest Hits.

DaRocTric
July 16th, 2005, 4:11 PM
With Lil Jon, except a few song, he is always screamin on a track. Kanye West makes his own music. People like that, though I never heard Alc spit on a track before...

Stringer Bell
July 16th, 2005, 4:27 PM
With Lil Jon, except a few song, he is always screamin on a track. Kanye West makes his own music. People like that, though I never heard Alc spit on a track before...

:wtf: I don't know what you were trying to get at with the Lil Jon and Kanye stuff. I'm fully aware that Lil Jon's always screaming on his songs, and that Kanye makes his beats..

Alchemist raps on his album, on the track "Different Worlds". He has also spit on several of his mixtapes.

DaRocTric
July 16th, 2005, 5:51 PM
I mean they stay kinda low-key....except Neptunes, Lil Jon, Kanye, etc, etc....

Stringer Bell
July 16th, 2005, 6:31 PM
I mean they stay kinda low-key....except Neptunes, Lil Jon, Kanye, etc, etc....

Now I'm just confused..

DaRocTric
July 16th, 2005, 7:29 PM
forget it

Stringer Bell
July 16th, 2005, 9:00 PM
I'm not tryin to give you a hard time man, I just don't see what you were getting at. I mean you seemed like you were talking to me but it confused me.

Anyway, some O.C. news..

No the dude didnít get locked up. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for his new album. Yep, the D.I.T.C. memberís incredible import LP 'Starchild' has officially been shelved and a domestic release will never see the light of day. Why has this travesty occurred you ask? Well it seems the LP is the latest victim of that mean old sample clearance monster. Several samples, including one from the recently acquitted Michael Jackson, were not officially cleared in the U.S.A. In response to this tragic turn of events Grit Records recently announced they would be giving their entire stock of this album away for FREE to the first 250 O.C. fans to email the label. Of course, the entire stock disappeared in two days. But why would a label simply give away an album that is sure to draw serious scrilla on the collector's scene in a few months? Mahlon Williams, President of Grit Records, believes in the quality of the album so strongly that he feels it would be a travesty to deny any O.C. fan the chance to hear the album. He recently reiterated his position to me stating, &quotWe are a little disappointed by the decisions of 'powerless people who themselves hold a position of power' to strong-arm us into sitting on this album and dealing with them on some 'operational matters'. I figure people need to hear (Starchild) at all costs. Period." Apparently Grit also plans on re-working this album, adding different tracks and re-doing some old ones with sample issues. The new version will be released as an entirely new LP and will hopefully be released before the end of 2005. And donít fret if you havenít picked up a copy of Starchild yet or missed out on the free ones, UGHH still has a few left for sale- but they are definitely going fast. -undergroundhiphop.com

I'd love to hear that fucking album, it's a shame I haven't yet. Quiet, if you can lace me with that, you are THE man. Knowing you, you've probably been listening to it for weeks now.

QuietStorm
July 16th, 2005, 9:23 PM
Not exactly. Sorry.

Dan The Man
July 16th, 2005, 10:25 PM
Danger Mouse, MF Doom Ready Dangerdoom LP
Jonah Flicker reports:
There's nary an MC as prolific while being consistently "dope" as the one MF Doom ("Definition: super villain, a killer who loves children"). And hot-shit producer Danger Mouse has been on a roll since that whole Grey Album fiasco, more recently taking the reins for Automator in Gorillaz. So why in the good lord's name should these two forces not take a cue from the Wu and form "like Voltron"? Perhaps because two men does not a Voltron make. Or does it just make Li'l Voltron?

It looks like we're about to find out. Whispers have been wafting on the hip-hop winds for some time now, but finally the news is official: October 11th will mark the release of Dangerdoom: The Mouse and the Mask, a co-release between Epitaph Records and Adult Swim. Wait, what's the connection with the Cartoon Network's most popular feature? Well, it's weirdly cross-promotional. According to the press release, the record will feature voices and skits from shows like "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" and "Sealab 2021". This, of course, is no different from all the other live-action comic book samples that have made routine appearances on Doom's records, only now they help sell TVs. So that's good.

There's not exactly a shitload of information on the sound of the record yet, but several guest MCs have been announced, including Talib Kweli, Cee-Lo, and Ghostface. There is, however, lots of related news, like how Danger Mouse has that Gnarls Barkley project in the works with Cee-Lo, and how Doom is said to be working on a record with Ghostface (and, oh yeah, how that crummy Fantastic Four movie-- featuring the menace of one metal-faced "Victor Von Doom"-- is still shitting all over the children). Time and repeat listens will tell if any of these meetings of minds and rhymes will be as fruitful as the Madlib/Doom collaboration, Madvillainy, but until then, you can get out your chromium alloy masks, hide ya face, and always, always hold the mic double-clutch.

Doom, Dangermouse, and [as]? I believe the phrase is "fuck yeah."

Stringer Bell
July 16th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Damn.. that does sound ridiculous. Talib, Cee-Lo, and Ghostface are all involved too? :eek:


Not exactly. Sorry.

It's cool. Just lemme know if you see it anywhere on the net, I'm dying to hear it.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 12:04 AM
"Playa's Only" is wack as hell. Hot beat, but Kelly's especially lame on that track. Game spits almost the same bullshit as he did on "How We Do". In my opinion, Kelly hasn't been on his "A" game since that album with "Down Low" and "Cant Seep".


I disagree. Songs like "I Wish", "Gotham City Remix", and "Heaven I Need A Hug" are some of the most deep and thought-filled songs I've heard. Just pure, true words, spoken from someone who's lived the shit he's singing about. Not to mention he nearly single-handedly brought the Isley Brothers to a whole new generation of fans.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 12:24 AM
I disagree. Songs like "I Wish", "Gotham City Remix", and "Heaven I Need A Hug" are some of the most deep and thought-filled songs I've heard. Just pure, true words, spoken from someone who's lived the shit he's singing about. Not to mention he nearly single-handedly brought the Isley Brothers to a whole new generation of fans.

I'm not saying he doesn't have the occasional good song, but he's nowhere near as great as he used to be. The new CD is okay, but he's on some bullshit compared to his glory days. I know you've heard 12 Play...

"I Wish" and "Gotham City" are pretty old, anyway. TP-2.com wasn't a good album, but I'll agree with you that "I Wish" was a pretty good track. Don't remember which album "Heaven" was on..

Anyway, "Playa's Only" is faaaar from deep or thought-filled.. I just think he fell off, hard.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 12:41 AM
I'm not saying he doesn't have the occasional good song, but he's nowhere near as great as he used to be. The new CD is okay, but he's on some bullshit compared to his glory days. I know you've heard 12 Play...

"I Wish" and "Gotham City" are pretty old, anyway. TP-2.com wasn't a good album, but I'll agree with you that "I Wish" was a pretty good track. Don't remember which album "Heaven" was on..

Anyway, "Playa's Only" is faaaar from deep or thought-filled.. I just think he fell off, hard.

I just don't see why every song has to have deep, thoughtfull lyrics. Playas Only is supposed to be a fun, groovy, uptempo track. And in that regards, it succeeds. You may think he fell off hard, but I promise you that will be one of the top five songs of this year if it makes it to single.

I know you're big on lyrics and all, but I don't think every song has to have words of death, ghettos, desperation of grief to be a good song.

I loved 12 play, but I think Kelly is like fine wine. He keeps getting better.

And 'Heaven I Need A Hug' was added onto Chocolate Factory a few months after it had been out, I believe.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 12:59 AM
I just don't see why every song has to have deep, thoughtfull lyrics. Playas Only is supposed to be a fun, groovy, uptempo track. And in that regards, it succeeds. You may think he fell off hard, but I promise you that will be one of the top five songs of this year if it makes it to single.

I know you're big on lyrics and all, but I don't think every song has to have words of death, ghettos, desperation of grief to be a good song.

I loved 12 play, but I think Kelly is like fine wine. He keeps getting better.

And 'Heaven I Need A Hug' was added onto Chocolate Factory a few months after it had been out, I believe.

Surely not every song has to have deep and thoughtful lyrics. That was part of your argument, not mine. I said that "Playa's Only" and Kelly's new stuff sucked, and you countered with those comments. I just found it bizzarre that you were defending "Playa's Only" with an argument like that. Anyway, yeah, it's a fun and uptempo track.. that doesn't mean it's quality. Neither does being one of the top 5 songs of the year.. but alright.

Yeah, I'm big on hip-hop lyrics, but what does that have to do with R&B? I don't wanna hear about death, ghettos, and grief in my R&B music. 12 Play is about one thing for the most part, and that's sex. Not deep at all, but by far his best work. By the way.. death, ghettos, and grief have nothing to do with good lyrics :wtf:

If you honestly believe that TP-3 or whatever is a better record than 12 Play, we might as well end this discussion now.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 1:22 AM
Never said TP-3 was better than 12 Play. I was merely defending ONE track (Playas Only) and saying R. Kelly isn't on a downward spiral.

Just because an artist's album isn't as good as a past one doesn't make it a poor one or mean he/she isn't as good as they used to be. Simply means they had a better album at one point.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 1:23 AM
Well, you said R. Kelly keeps getting better. That would imply that with every album since 12 Play, which was released over ten years ago, he's improved. That's not the case at all in my mind, but keep listening to what you like :)

QuietStorm
July 17th, 2005, 3:05 AM
Since I dedicated a couple lines in my non-battle rap, let me just offend a few people with the following....


Skillz reminds me of a less gangsta Big L. I prefer Skillz.

DaRocTric
July 17th, 2005, 8:45 AM
Playas Only is a single. I saw the video the other day.

mikcelbe
July 17th, 2005, 1:48 PM
Another deep song was If I could turn back the hands of time and some would say the Trapped in the closet series is thought provoking.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 1:51 PM
Regardless, R Kelly fell off. He used to be fantastic, now he's just average. "Playa's Only" is evidence of this. The "Trapped In The Closet" stuff is alright, but my interest quickly faded by about midway through part 3.

Quiet.. you seriously perfer Skillz to Big L? I like them both a lot, but Skillz is centered more around punchlines and what not, while Big L just seems a lot more well-rounded. Just my opinion though.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 2:15 PM
Regardless, R Kelly fell off. He used to be fantastic, now he's just average. "Playa's Only" is evidence of this. The "Trapped In The Closet" stuff is alright, but my interest quickly faded by about midway through part 3.


We all have our own tastes and preferences, but his record sales don't support your claim of falling off (a phrase that's thrown around way too much in hip-hop and rnb, in my opinion. As Homer Simpson said, "You say that so much it's lost all meaning.") TP.3 sold nearly half a million copies in it's first week. Not too bad at all. I'm sure Playas Only will hit number one on the charts, and he'll probably have another top-ten charting single or two off the album.

Not to mention, nearly everything he appears on is a hit. Look at the songs he's appeared in over the last few years that were hits: Wonderful, So Sexy, Contagious, Busted, etc....

Then look at the songs he's written for other people or collaborated with. He wrote Jackson's "You Are Not Alone" (the first single ever to debut at number one on the billboards), his "I'm Your Angel" with Celine Dion, and as I've mentioned before, his ressurection of The Isleys.

I do think 12 Play and R. Kelly (the self-titled album) were his two best albums on the whole, but he's come out with tracks since then that I preffer over any tracks off of those albums. Saying that I think an artist has matured and gotten better doesn't mean I don't think each album is better than the last, just the overall production and quality of his songs can be seen with each passing year.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 2:49 PM
Fair enough.. but "You Are Not Alone" is old as hell, and "I'm Your Angel" was on the R album, right after his self-titled. All of that is older work.

Do you really believe that just because songs are successful, they're quality? Mike Jones and Cassidy are two of the best selling rappers out right now..

I'm just saying, I used to be a huge Kelly fan. Didn't really fuck with that album he did with Public Announcement, but 12 Play and self-titled were my jams and I can still play them to this day. R was decent, but everything went downhill from there. He became really sloppy with his songwriting, and the overall quality of his albums declined (even you admitted that).

Like I said before.. that's not to say he hasn't made some great songs since then. Some of those JS tracks were really good too. Just being a fan of his for so long, I'm not that satisfied with his most recent stuff. Ever since TP-2 he's been disappointing me.

If you think he's improved though, that's cool. Happy People was a really mature album, and Chocolate Factory had some quality material.. but neither were 12 Play.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 2:54 PM
Mike Jones and Cassidy are two of the best selling rappers out right now..



That's a travesty.

QuietStorm
July 17th, 2005, 2:57 PM
It was funny to hear Cassidy battle Freeway back when because Freeway sounds like he's having a seisure when he raps so it was like listening to a debate in a special ed class.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 4:19 PM
Well, considering Mike Jones and Cassidy are lame as hell, it certainly doesn't say much about America's taste in music, which you seem to be praising. I wouldn't call it a travesy though :)

Haha Quiet.. that battle is so fucking overrated. Kids act like it's amazing.. a few nice punchlines but most of it is corny as hell if you ask me.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 6:17 PM
Then again, though, there's not much new rap albums out there at the moment to choose from. The Documentary, The Massacre, Encore, etc. are slipping slowly down the charts now because they've been out a while, and that leaves pretty much only shitty mainstream artists or decent but little known artists to choose from (such as Common or Ghostface).

When Kanye drops his new album, and when and if Dre ever drops his, we'll see rightful people in the top spots again.

I'm not going to bash Americas taste in music, though, because, well..... majority does rule.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 6:37 PM
I just think it's pretty widely known that America's taste in rap is shit, as it has been since the jiggy era of Puffy and Mase. J-Kwon, 50, Mike Jones, Pretty Ricky, Paul Wall, Slim Thug, Juelz Santana, Ja Rule, Fabolous.. it's all generic garbage. Every now and then, yeah, a rightful, talented rap artist will get their shine, but it's rare.

I mean, when a guy with no mic skills can sell albums based only off the fact his voice sounds like Biggie, you know we're fucked.

Ghostface hasn't released a solo album in over a year.

DaRocTric
July 17th, 2005, 6:39 PM
ummm....I think Cassidy only broke 150,000. Mike Jones on the other hand is platinum. Royce isnt even on the Top 200.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 6:40 PM
Either way, Cassidy's successful. Everyone was on that "I'm A Hustla" shit like it was some ground-breaking record.

And you're telling me he's only sold 150,000 copies? :wtf: As much as I hate him, I can't believe that..

DaRocTric
July 17th, 2005, 6:40 PM
BTW...Fabolous is nice. I like him. real talk was a pretty good album. His problem is he does collabos with everyone, J.Lo, Amerie, Christina Milian etc... he would be a lot better, if he stuck to his stuff...

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 6:41 PM
Fabolous has decent wordplay. "Breathe" looked to be somewhat of a promising single, but led to a very mediocre album. His true problem is that he talks the same nonsense on every song and can't make a consistently dope album.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 7:15 PM
A lot of those names you mentioned probably only did gold at best. The only names on that list with platinum sales are probably Puffy, Mase, 50 and Ja. I hate 50. Mase only had one high selling album (I think), and hey, I thought it was allright.

I don't really know how Puffy fits in that list. He did a lot for hip-hop, and brought about a lot of good artists and tracks.

Ja Rule is either hit or miss with a lot of fans. I don't think his shit is bad at all. Rule 3:36 was a great album with many good tracks. Six Feet Underground, Put It On Me, and One of Us were all well above average to me.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 7:22 PM
Puffy and Mase were majory players in ushering in the downfall of mainstream hip-hop, my friend. The only good things Puffy ever did was put on Mary J and Biggie, but they're so F'n talented they would've shined anywhere.

Before around the time Puffy came along, great rappers were still moving units. These days, De La Soul and Nas hardly sell because people are too busy buying bullshit (like The Massacre and The Documentary).

Anyway.. those artists are very popular among the mainstream rap crowd. That's the kinda BS that dominates popular rap radio. Maybe Cam'ron would've been a better example than Juelz, but he's a a little more talented so I left him off. For the record, I'm pretty sure Mike Jones, Fabolous, and J-Kwon all went platinum. Slim Thug just dropped and Paul Wall hasn't yet, so...

Ja Rule has never, ever been good.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 7:38 PM
No offense, Buck, but you seem to take some of your opinions as the gospel truth.

Many people enjoy Ja Rule's work.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 7:42 PM
Many people have shitty tastes in rap, too :p

I just think Ja Rule's always been a fucking clown. Holla, holla!

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 8:27 PM
I like music in general. If it catches my ear and I enjoy it, then I do just that.

Ja Rule has made a lot of tracks I enjoy.

I get the feeling you go out of your way not to listen to/enjoy certain artists (mainly mainstream ones) because you fear it's going to make you look like less of a hardcore fan.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 8:35 PM
Less of a hardcore fan? I like shit that I deem to be quality, that's all. Wu-Tang are pretty damn popular, as are many other artists I listen to. Hell, Jay-Z's one of my favorites and he's arguably the most popular rapper.

The fact that you're a Ja Rule fan basically sums up our argument.

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 8:39 PM
My arguement is that you try to come across as some type of hip-hop guru by either acclaiming or bashing someone's taste in hip-hop.

Liking Ja Rule doesn't make my taste in hip-hop any better or worse than yours.

DaRocTric
July 17th, 2005, 10:01 PM
Yeah, Cassidy cant sell. He broke 92,000 first week. His CD isnt bad. B-Boy Stance is decent so is AM 2 PM, the Message,6 minutes of death ft.Lil weezy and Fab is awesome.

Im getting ready for The Carter 2. Lil Wayne is nasty. He is supposed to have app. by fab, T.I, Jay, Em and more...

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Tha Carter was pretty good.

I really liked the "Walk In" and "Walk Out" parts.

Stringer Bell
July 17th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Lil Wayne? Seriously you guys... :(

TapOut
July 17th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Yeah, Lil Wayne. Not surprisingly, another mainstream rapper whom you obviously don't care for.

By the way, that Supreme Clientele wasn't anything spectacular. Decent at best. Not seeing what he's putting out that countless other people aren't uploading onto soundclick.com everyday.

Dan The Man
July 17th, 2005, 11:45 PM
BM's too busy with his checklist of "Things People Say Make Good Hip-Hop" to notice if he actually enjoys songs.

Hehe, I said "BM."

PS: That being said, I thought Tha Carter had a couple songs I really enjoy and some I wouldn't mind never hearing again. It's not amazing, but far from terrible. God forbid an album be just good, right?

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Lil Wayne is horrid. Dan, I think you'd recognize this being a MF Doom fan.

Seriously Tap.. you like Ja Rule and think Supreme Clientele is "decent at best"? Why do I argue with you people? :wtf:

Morrison
July 18th, 2005, 1:11 AM
Because you're just like everybody else; an elitist asshole who sucks his own cock.

Whether that's metaphorically or physically speaking is for you, and only you, to know.

And please don't take this as me jumping on the 'hate Buck Marley' bandwagon. I agreed with you more then the 'Rajah buddies' during that whole nice shirt fiasco, and think a good portion of the shit you get isn't exactly warranted. With that said, you do act like a right cunt now and again, which tends to shoot to shit any respect you may have gathered in the moments before.

For someone that didn't like Krispy passing judgement on his musical knowledge because of a simple shirt, you sure are aiming for the same level with these kinds of comments.

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 1:27 AM
If you say so. I don't claim to be knowledged in other areas of music, but I've been fucking with rap for a long time.. I personally think my opinion means something, whether others want to agree with that or not. No matter how I make it sound, I'm obviously just stating my opinion. Maybe I come off like a dick.. I just take hip-hop music seriously, that's all.

I truly find it bizzarre that someone who claims to know hip-hop well perfers Ja Rule over Ghostface. Ja Rule's on some cookie-cutter, DMX-wannabe shit. Ghostface is one of the most original and gifted artists in the game, and anyone who's been listening to rap for more than ten years could tell you that.

QuietStorm
July 18th, 2005, 1:58 AM
Why does Ghostface always rap about food? Corny goofball.

Bandit
July 18th, 2005, 3:05 AM
Ghostface is one of the most original and gifted artists in the game, and anyone who's been listening to rap for more than ten years could tell you that.
I've been listening to rap for like two weeks and he's my favorite. :\

QuietStorm
July 18th, 2005, 3:16 AM
He raps about nonsense a lot of the time though. No one can dispute that.



We in two-six's flirtin with bitches
Dime plus takin pictures, how you doin baby? My name Ghost
Don't get caught up in my chains, or the way that I speak
Seek intelligence, slickest nigga goin since "Grease"
Check out the grays on the side of my waves
I grew those on Riker's Island
Stretched out, balled up in the caves
Pull a boot out on Jimmy Jam, text takes jam
Silky texture, Jordan jumped up like Clyde Drexler
All up in the parrot, nose numb, real as they come
Biggie's Versace's, snow white rabbit
Hands is like photographic magic, funeral love
Movin when we hug, don't make it a habit
Hit the gym for two weeks, come back all chiseled
Elbows unique now, meet the new me
Ghettofabulous, Ton' Atlas
Zulu Nation in the 80's in front of Macy's
I start my own chapters
Tyco nightglow velvet pose, special effects
High-tech armors merc you at the shows
Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious
Dociousaliexpifragalisticcalisuper
Cancun, catch me in the room, eatin grouper..



WTF?

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 3:28 AM
Bandit, I love you :)

Quiet.. you serious? Ghost is on that original tip. What parts of that rap don't you understand? How many rappers you know would bust out some shit like "Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious"? He's a God among men ;)

Ghost's shit often takes some thought to dissect, but so does a lot of Wu material. Yeah, he's probably got the most bizzarre slang out of all of them, but rarely is he nonsensical.

TapOut
July 18th, 2005, 6:16 AM
BM's too busy with his checklist of "Things People Say Make Good Hip-Hop" to notice if he actually enjoys songs.


That's what I'm thinking....

I'm all for a song with intricate lyrics and heart and soul put into it, but fuck, sometimes you just have to say "to hell with it" and enjoy it. You know, I'm not too certain that you AREN'T actually using some kind of checklist, Buck, with the way you slam nearly every artist mentioned on these boards.

Ghostface has a few nice beats and some good lyrics, but some of his shit is just mediocre or average and sounds like it belongs on an underground mixtape instead of an actual album. Not to mention, some of the shit he's talking about is so out there. I like hearing the words and understanding them, not deciphering what type of code he's talking in. Nothing wrong with enjoying him, but you come off as a fool when bashing tons of artists and riding the nuts of one merely okay rapper. Ghostface Killah is certainly better than several artists out there, but he's not putting out material that puts everyone else's work to shame.

Basically, your taste in hip-hop isn't the measuring stick for what is good taste, and you need to realize that.

Other than that, no hard feelings.

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 1:24 PM
Riding the nuts of one merely okay rapper? I like a hell of a lot of rappers, just not the commercial bullshit you're on. Don't you get tired of hearing the same shit on every song?

"One merely okay rapper" :dead: You need to go listen to any and all Wu-Tang material released between 94 and 96.

The fact that you think Ghostface is mediocre sums it all up, basically... whether I was a big fan of his or not.

DaRocTric
July 18th, 2005, 3:26 PM
Wu Tang is the greatest. Method, ODB, RZA, GZA, Inspektah, Ghostface, Raekwon, Its Excellence.

QuietStorm
July 18th, 2005, 5:13 PM
The problem I have with Ghostface is the same problem I have with Kool G Rap. A lot of the time they rhyme just for the sake of rhyming. All rappers do it at some point, but multis can get overrated when you are only speaking bullshit.

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 5:42 PM
Like I said, Ghost is very rarely nonsensical. Bizzarre, but that doesn't mean he's speaking bullshit.

Multi's aren't even his strongest point anyway.. it's more about his emotion on the mic and his slang.

You think Kool G Rap speaks bullshit? :eek:

TapOut
July 18th, 2005, 7:22 PM
I personally think my opinion means something, whether others want to agree with that or not.


There's your problem.

Your opinion means about as much you think mine does. You can criticize my tastes all you want, doesn't make yours better.

Actually, I gained a lot of respect for Ja Rule. Many people thought his career was over after his feud with Eminem and Co., and his Blood In My Eye album was shit. Then he drops R.U.L.E., and many would deem it a comeback.

Say what you want, Ja Rule is more respected in the rap community than you may like to think. Same can be said for many other commercial artists you're dogging.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Ghostface, but I promise you, put his stuff against the likes of Ja, Eminem, Game, even 50 Cent, and I promise you most people in the hood won't choose Ghostface.

Morrison
July 18th, 2005, 8:57 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Ghostface, but I promise you, put his stuff against the likes of Ja, Eminem, Game, even 50 Cent, and I promise you most people in the hood won't choose Ghostface.
I don't know you well, but I don't think you could personally make an assumption like that.

Anyway, just recently borrowed a co-workers entire CD collection, which consists mostly of hip-hop. Been discovering some very good stuff.

TapOut
July 18th, 2005, 9:57 PM
I don't know you well, but I don't think you could personally make an assumption like that.

Anyway, just recently borrowed a co-workers entire CD collection, which consists mostly of hip-hop. Been discovering some very good stuff.

I'm half-black (not saying that means anything), but I know plenty of black folks and rap-loving ghetto folk, and they're not bumping Ghostface or half of the other underground artists on these pages. You may find a rare person out there big on the mixtapes and underground stuff, but go to the hood with a bag full of cd's: Ja Rule, Game, Jay-Z, 50, R. Kelly, Chingy (who I can't stand), and Ghostface, and I bet you Ghostface is the last to go.

I can only speak from my experiences and the people I know. But I think I'm qualified.

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 10:04 PM
You may find a rare person out there big on the mixtapes and underground stuff, but go to the hood with a bag full of cd's: Ja Rule, Game, Jay-Z, 50, R. Kelly, Chingy (who I can't stand), and Ghostface, and I bet you Ghostface is the last to go.


:rofl: Stop. Most "people from the hood" pretty much only buy and listen to mixtapes. Do you know what you're talking about? Where did I say I cared about what people in the hood thought anyway? Bottom line, I'm pretty sure I've been listening to and loving rap longer than at least you have, so my opinion > yours :p

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to that Danger Doom stuff, it's gonna be incredible. Saw a little snippet ad for it on AS last night, got me even more hyped. That, and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2 are gonna be two of this year's most quality releases as things look right now.

TapOut
July 18th, 2005, 10:13 PM
:rofl: Stop. Most "people from the hood" pretty much only buy and listen to mixtapes. Do you know what you're talking about?



You use smilies way too much.

And that's bullshit. Believe me if you want, don't if you don't want to. I sell tapes at work. Nobody's asking for mixtapes. The only place anyone where I live buys mixtapes is if they take a trip to a big city and buy them on the sidewalk. If they go to a little "g-shop" where they sell weaves, cheap-ass jerseys and cd's, they'll buy bootlegged copies of ACTUAL albums (usually by commercial artists) for 2 or 3 dollars.

You're laughing to try to act like I know all of fuck what I'm talking about, but you come off the fool. I know perfectly well what I'm talking about. Ghostface is allright, but he ain't pushing no fucking albums, which is what I was trying to say as nicely as possible. Nobody's buying his shit.

Dan The Man
July 18th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Bottom line, I'm pretty sure I've been listening to and loving rap longer than at least you have, so my opinion > yours :p

Beyond the fact that that's idiotic, you do know that we know you're about 18 and just out of high school, right?

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Beyond the fact that that's idiotic, you do know that we know you're about 18 and just out of high school, right?

Notice the :p? Obviously not.

And what does me being 18 have to do with anything? :wtf:

You two can go enjoy your Cash Money shit, I really don't care. But Tap, if you seriously think record sales = talent, you're dumber than you seem. Peace.

TapOut
July 18th, 2005, 10:54 PM
And what does me being 18 have to do with anything? :wtf:



Bottom line, I'm pretty sure I've been listening to and loving rap longer than at least you have, so my opinion > yours :p
.

There's your answer.

And I never said sales = talent. There's people uploading shit onto soundclick.com everyday who are talented. But you're acting like I'm some tasteless hip-hop fan for enjoying shit that a lot of other people do. That's all. So...peace.

Stringer Bell
July 18th, 2005, 11:03 PM
I'm 18, so that means I haven't been listening to rap longer than you? I've been listening for over 10 years.. my friends older brother put me on to Nas, Dre, and what not.. by the time It Was Written and All Eyez On Me dropped in '96, I was more than hooked in, listening to everything I could. I've studied the shit thoroughly since, and I know the history pretty damn well. Hell, you hadn't even heard Ghostface until I recommended him to you.. that says it all. Arguably the greatest member of THE most groundbreaking rap group of the 90's.

By the way, the "my opinion > yours" comment was in jest, if we haven't already established that. But you sure are doing a good job of making it look factual :(

You might've been listening to rap for longer than me, but it sure doesn't show. 1994 is widely recognized as the greatest year ever for hip-hop, but I'm sure you can't name me five albums that dropped that year without Googling it up. Like I said, go listen to your Cash Money..

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 5:28 AM
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/VerbalGraffiti1/

This guy's been playing Dangerdoom songs, but I can't find the album anywhere :(

Dan, Quiet.. anyone know what's up?

TapOut
July 19th, 2005, 6:16 AM
You might've been listening to rap for longer than me, but it sure doesn't show. 1994 is widely recognized as the greatest year ever for hip-hop, but I'm sure you can't name me five albums that dropped that year without Googling it up. Like I said, go listen to your Cash Money..

Again, you're confused.

People don't sit there and memorize all that shit. We enjoy music. If you like studying it and memorizing dates, good for you, there's nothing wrong with it. But it doesn't make you more knowledgeable or make your taste in the genre more refined. Just means you know albums that were dropped in 94........

I'm through with you. Obviously, you have a lot of maturing to do. Shame, really, because while you're trying to prove how great your taste in music is, you'll probably miss out on a lot of great songs and artists.

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 6:54 AM
Memorizing dates? Not exactly man. Mostly all hip-hop heads refer to '94 as the golden year.

How am I confused? Really. Notice how you only handle portions of my posts?

The true shame, my friend, is that you only listen to the hip-hop that's fed to you on 106 & Park and seem to have little to no knowledge of rap history. It's cool though. Glad you're "through with me" though, you really showed me ;)

Tom Bombadil
July 19th, 2005, 6:57 AM
Buck you can be a real bitch at times. I'm not taking sides here i'm just saying.

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 7:11 AM
I mean I've already said.. if I come off like a dick, sorry. Yeah, I probably have maturing to do, I can admit that. My point is I've been listening to rap for a long time, know a hell of a lot about it, and surely think my opinion counts for something. I can't say the same about any other kind of music, as much as I like listening to rock and other genres.

I can admit the fact that I act like my opinion's the right one a lot, I need to get over myself in that manner. But fuck.. Lil Wayne and Ja Rule? Even most music critics shit on them. I've never heard many people, no matter what 'class' of hip-hop fan they are, rate some rappers like that over ANYONE in Wu. And Tap acting like if something sells well then it must be quality is absurd, can you honestly disagree with that? Really, with shit like that and saying the fact that I'm 18 has anything to do with how much I know about (or how long I've been listening to) rap.. he comes off as just as ignorant in my mind.

I don't try to be a dick.. but I obviously come off as one. I'll try to work on that.

Tom Bombadil
July 19th, 2005, 7:23 AM
I agree with what your saying about Ja and lill wayne, and all about Wu.

But your opinion is just that your opinion it's not better than anybody else's, you could have been listening to hip hop for 10 years and someone could have been listening to it for 5 years...doesn't mean your opinion is more valid than theirs.

They could have been researching hip hop in depth for them five years, while your thinking i've been listening to hip hop for 10 years, and not knowing shit other than that, But the other will probably have more knowledge because he's reasearched hip hop.

I don't think it's really clear what i'm saying but i think you get the picture. Basically your opinion doesn't really mean shit, as does my opinion.

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 7:30 AM
Tap just doesn't seem to be nearly as knowledged as he acts, that's all. I'm not claiming to be the most cultured guy in hip-hop around these parts or anything. Like I said, sorry if I come off like a dick, I just take my opinion seriously and think I have every right to. That doesn't mean I think others around here don't know their shit more than me, even if that's the way I make it sound. But Tap himself claims to be more of an R&B guy.. so I don't know why he insists on arguing. And on the topic of being such a big R&B fan, I found this old gem somewhat amusing.



I mean, I couldn't tell you a song by the Isley Brothers until Contagious came out.



Anyway.. back on the topic.. here's some albums that should fuck shit up reaaaal nice this year

Raekwon and Ghost Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2
MF Doom and Danger Mouse DangerDoom
Murs Walk Like A Man
Kanye Late Registration (hopefully)
J-Live The Hear After
Little Brother The Minstrel Show
Saigon The Greatest Story Never Told

Among others.. I'm also really looking forward to hearing what Joe Budden has to say, hope it's more consistent than the first LP.

Tom Bombadil
July 19th, 2005, 9:01 AM
Joe budden is a nob........i cannot stand the fuck.

Never knew little brother had album coming out. :cool:

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 9:14 AM
Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to like him.. but I mean, his biggest song was "Pump It Up", and that wasn't very tight. He gets real deep and personal with his music, and takes shit to a level few mainstream rappers are able to. Check out "So Long Goodbye". He's not one of my favorites, but he's got some very listenable tracks. Unfortunately, most end up on mixtapes only.

Tom Bombadil
July 19th, 2005, 9:28 AM
I will check that song out, but the way he ryhtmes i find it just shit. I won't ever like him.

Dan The Man
July 19th, 2005, 11:54 AM
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/VerbalGraffiti1/

This guy's been playing Dangerdoom songs, but I can't find the album anywhere :(

Dan, Quiet.. anyone know what's up?

I had read on the [as] boards that "Mince Meat" and "Sofa King" had leaked...

QuietStorm
July 19th, 2005, 3:27 PM
The J-Live album disappointed me.

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 3:44 PM
Damn, I was hoping DangerDoom had leaked.. guess that would be pretty damn early though.

J-Live's newest isn't that nice, huh Quiet? You always find underground albums that I didn't even know had leaked yet :p

TapOut
July 19th, 2005, 5:42 PM
Got Missy's new album today (or downloaded it, rather).

It's got a few decent tracks, but I haven't really been impressed since 'Da Real World' though. It's just more of the same, which is fine in some cases, but really, Missy isn't someone who I can listen to the same type of stuff over again. The only song I'll probably listen to regularly is 'Remember When' or 'My Struggles'.

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 5:45 PM
Missy should've never tried to do an album with such little Timbaland production. At least we could've heard a lot of tight beats.

DaRocTric
July 19th, 2005, 11:27 PM
I got the new Papoose mixtape today. Its pretty good. The song with Ghostface is nice "In the Bushes". He has been getting a lot of good production...Green Lantern, Heatmakers, Timbaland...

Stringer Bell
July 19th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Word, Pap's alright. I think Saigon is the nicest of that newer crop of mixtape MC's, personally.

"In the Bushes" needed a damn Ghost verse instead of just some shit sampled on the hook, I was disappointed he wasn't on the track.

DaRocTric
July 19th, 2005, 11:44 PM
I would of loved to see Ghostface actually on it, but the sample brings a cool vibe to the song.

Saigon is the nicest out of all the mixtape MCs. 'Greatest Story never Told' will be amazing. In an interview, Sai was badmouthing Fifty. It was a good read. He said 50 trying to rid 'gangsta' out of hip-hop. he gonna be working for the CIA.

QuietStorm
July 20th, 2005, 1:59 AM
Papoose sucks. He ruined the Guerrilla Monsoon Rap freestyle with Canibus.


And Seanny.... Hip Hop For Sale is officially coming out on November 22. Plan is to shoot a video in New York for the first single. Bis is gonna do it big this time.


http://www.micclub.net/Images/gallery/9/1.jpg




Edit: And someone in close contacts created a new thread on C-C tonight making people ask him exactly what all this "Head Trauma" news/rumor is all about. He is staying somewhat secretive about the whole thing, but it looks like it is the project he is doing with Busta Rhymes, Dr. Dre, and Aftermath.

Seanny One Ball
July 20th, 2005, 9:06 AM
Nice one, must be over a year since I got RTJ - be good to hear how he's rapping right now.

mikcelbe
July 20th, 2005, 9:29 PM
I've got good news, call the year 2006 the year of Dre and Snoop because they both will be coming out with new solo efforts. Dre with the highly anticipated Detox and Snoop with The Blue Carpet Treatment, Dre will produce on Snoops' album and Snoop will be on a song or two on Detox. Not only this but Tha Dogg Pound is set to return for early 06 as well.

If you don't believe me
http://www.dj-buz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3945&page=1

and if you want to get deeper into it go to www.westcoastaftershock.com

TapOut
July 20th, 2005, 9:45 PM
Why wouldn't I believe you?

News of a new Dre album broke months ago, and Snoop has a new album EVERY year or two.

That's about as surprising as tomorrow being another day in July.

Chris Scott
July 21st, 2005, 12:12 AM
Nice one, must be over a year since I got RTJ - be good to hear how he's rapping right now.

Yeah I agree I cannot wait to, just got "C" True Hollywood Stories and Miclub:- The Curriculum to finish my collection before his new stuff comes out.

EDIT: Anyone know any good Hip Hop sites for news, news on rappers careers and beef between any rapers. I have a few just wondering if there is other good sites out there.

QuietStorm
July 21st, 2005, 2:02 AM
This track is crack....is it not?


Cage - Shoot Frank (Prod. by RJD2) (http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=207ZTOLEXDJYU1IIZ1EHXBZMDQ)

DaRocTric
July 21st, 2005, 1:37 PM
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1132

Nice article on DMX. Im ready for his new album....

Stringer Bell
July 21st, 2005, 2:33 PM
Detox has been hyped for two or three years now..

I haven't heard that Cage track Quiet, but I love RJD2, so I'm sure it's exceptional.

Can't say I'm looking forward to the new DMX. It's Dark and Hell Is Hot had a few bangers, but his newest stuff is just lame.. "X Gon Give It To Ya" being a perfect example.

DaRocTric
July 21st, 2005, 3:23 PM
I like X...Ive liked all his albums. I like his new song "Industry", and most of 'Grand Champ', BTW, The new Ruff Ryders vol.4 is garbage.

Stringer Bell
July 21st, 2005, 3:33 PM
Yeah, I'd imagine that Ruff Ryders is pretty fuckin' horrible.

Speaking of Ruff Ryders.. the old Lox track "Recognize" is fucking solid. It's a shame they don't fuck with good producers like Primo anymore, it does a lot for them..

DaRocTric
July 21st, 2005, 4:30 PM
They actually took game's 'Aim 4 The Head' took him out and replaced him w/ Jae Hood and Jin.

Stringer Bell
July 22nd, 2005, 1:48 PM
Albums of the moment

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003RRM.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00018Y0QQ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000024JF.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000OUJ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Kris P. Lettus
July 22nd, 2005, 3:35 PM
I went to Best Buy to get some new music.. While browsing I saw a copy of Ol Dirty Bastard's Return to the 36 Chambers: Dirty Version.. This is an awesome occurance not only because that is one of the greatest albums of all time but also because it was discontinued in like 2000.. I haven't owned a copy in like 5 years and now I own a "real" copy.. Not this burnt shit..

OMf'nG I'm busting in my pants...

http://images.windowsmedia.com/img/prov_w/300_80/075596165921.jpg

:hyper:

Kris P. Lettus
July 22nd, 2005, 3:36 PM
Oh yeah, and I hear MF Doom and Danger Mouse have an album coming out in Oct..

Danger-Doom

Should be the shit..

Stringer Bell
July 22nd, 2005, 3:41 PM
Hell yeah, that's gonna be quality.

Chris Scott
July 22nd, 2005, 4:18 PM
After watching and hearing his music all over MTV here in the UK. I decided to go out and buy The Game - Documentary. I already seen the video Dreams which I think is a great video and song and this dude sounds good I'm digging his style. Never heard any of G-unit stuff not really a 50 Cent fan so I did not bother with them.

But as for The Game it looks like he just could be the next best thing from the West. I will listen to his album in work tonight to see what the fuss of this Album is all about.

Stringer Bell
July 22nd, 2005, 6:40 PM
Game is overhyped if you ask me :dunno: Yeah, "Dreams' is a tight song, and his CD has some amazing production, but he's just not as great of an MC as everyone makes him out to be. A lot of rappers could come off that nice with a whole CD of beats from guys like Dr. Dre, Scott Storch, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Havoc, Hi-Tek and others. He's not horrible by any means, but "Dreams" is probably the best song on the CD. He relies on name-dropping other people way too often. Beatwise, it's one of the best mainstream efforts this year, no doubt about that.. I just wish all of that production could've been given to a more talented MC, like Rakim before his fallout with the label.

The worst part is all the people jumping on Game's jock and his side of the battle with G-Unit, when they were on some G-Unit shit a year ago.

Fro
July 22nd, 2005, 6:50 PM
Have you guys heard 300 Bars and Runnin? I was thinkin the same shit about Game...that he was way overhyped and his rhymes were decent but nothing more. Then I heard that 15-minute mixtape track dissing G-Unit and it blew me away. His flow on that is tiiiight. Made me think higher of him, though still probably overhyped.

mikcelbe
July 22nd, 2005, 8:05 PM
Why wouldn't I believe you?

News of a new Dre album broke months ago, and Snoop has a new album EVERY year or two.

That's about as surprising as tomorrow being another day in July.

I was just saying that because Dre always potpones Detox and I wouldn't be suprised if he did again and I have a feeling that despite al this anticpation for his album I might be in for a big dissapointment.

TapOut
July 22nd, 2005, 9:38 PM
That's nothing close to what you were saying...... but I feel ya nonetheless. Detox is now just a "whatever" deal, because who knows when or if it will be released.

Stringer Bell
July 22nd, 2005, 9:43 PM
Have you guys heard 300 Bars and Runnin? I was thinkin the same shit about Game...that he was way overhyped and his rhymes were decent but nothing more. Then I heard that 15-minute mixtape track dissing G-Unit and it blew me away. His flow on that is tiiiight. Made me think higher of him, though still probably overhyped.

I wasn't too into that track. The fact that he can rap over hit beats for fifteen minutes doesn't make him good, but people seem to be so impressed with it. Some of it's real hard, yeah, but I don't see the big deal..

"I don't need 50 Cent my niggas make Collect Calls"

Shit like that's really not that clever.. it's actually pretty fucking corny if you ask me.

Chris Scott
July 23rd, 2005, 12:29 AM
Game is overhyped if you ask me :dunno: Yeah, "Dreams' is a tight song, and his CD has some amazing production, but he's just not as great of an MC as everyone makes him out to be. A lot of rappers could come off that nice with a whole CD of beats from guys like Dr. Dre, Scott Storch, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Havoc, Hi-Tek and others. He's not horrible by any means, but "Dreams" is probably the best song on the CD. He relies on name-dropping other people way too often. Beatwise, it's one of the best mainstream efforts this year, no doubt about that.. I just wish all of that production could've been given to a more talented MC, like Rakim before his fallout with the label.

The worst part is all the people jumping on Game's jock and his side of the battle with G-Unit, when they were on some G-Unit shit a year ago.

Well I listend to the whole album and well I like him alot. I don't think he is overhyped, I think he deliverers with this album. True hs has some amazind beats form talented guys but it also helps him being a good MC na dwill only get better in my opinion.

Best song like you said is Dreams the beat in it is excellent and his whole flow followers nicely in the song. Other songs I like are Westside Story, and the inspirational Higher.

As for the G-Unit stuff I dont know ant stuff that went on, all I read was he had a bit of beef with 50 Cenat the other month or something.

DaRocTric
July 23rd, 2005, 12:35 AM
I like Game. To me, i think he is nice for only been rapping 3 years. My favorite songs on the documentary as 'Dreams', 'The Documentary', 'Start From Scratch' and 'Like father, like Son'. I liked 300 bars, but it is not one of the greatest disses ever.

* Adds ice Cube-No vaseline and Nas-Ether to his playlist.*

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 12:46 AM
Either way, all those hot Game beats would've been much better for Rakim's LP. Game is a cornball.

QuietStorm
July 23rd, 2005, 12:47 AM
I wasn't too into that track. The fact that he can rap over hit beats for fifteen minutes doesn't make him good, but people seem to be so impressed with it. Some of it's real hard, yeah, but I don't see the big deal..

"I don't need 50 Cent my niggas make Collect Calls"

Shit like that's really not that clever.. it's actually pretty fucking corny if you ask me.
A lot of your punchlines, Jank's punchlines, Krispy's punchlines, Seanny's punchlines, Simon's punchlines, Tapout's punchlines, my punchlines....are also pretty corny if you ask me.

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 12:49 AM
Maybe so, but we don't have 75% of the internet on our nuts either.. and some of us have definitely come with better shit than that example.

QuietStorm
July 23rd, 2005, 12:53 AM
I'm not on his nuts, but the title track to The Documentary is definitely on a couple of my mixes. And I also like the track Timbaland did for him.


300 bars was alright. Wasn't worth more than one listen though.

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 1:12 AM
Exactly, "300 Bars" isn't anything to write home about at all.

The beats made a lot of the tracks.. I dug the Just Blaze tracks a lot, I just think such a great selection of beats could've been saved for a more talented MC. Dre did strike gold commercially though, so I guess that's all that really matters.

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 1:37 PM
Quiet.. you heard the new Skillz shit? Skillz-Confessions_Of_A_Ghostwriter-(Advance)-2005-RNS

I'm downloading now with high hopes..

Edit: A lot of it looks to be re-worked tracks from I Ain't Mad No More, we'll see though.

QuietStorm
July 23rd, 2005, 1:51 PM
Yeah, it is. There are a few bangers on there though. His real new album is coming out next February.

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 3:00 PM
Ah, good to hear he's got some new shit on the way. I think I remember reading about this, him re-releasing it since the Rawkus effort never got a proper release. Took an awful long time though.

DaRocTric
July 23rd, 2005, 5:13 PM
Well, Game said:

"50 cent and Ludacris are rappers, me and Jay-Z are MC's."

Ludacris will eat his ass.

Tom Bombadil
July 23rd, 2005, 6:07 PM
I'm not sure luda is into that stuff man.

mikcelbe
July 23rd, 2005, 6:07 PM
Game is not an MC he's an overhyped rapper and yes Luda will fry his ass.

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 6:36 PM
Yeah, Game was half right with his comment about Jay-Z, but Ludacris would definitely shit on him. If he had said 50 and himself were rappers, but Luda and Jay were real lyricists he would've been spot on :yes:

QuietStorm
July 23rd, 2005, 6:47 PM
Oh come on, Jay-z is an originator....


http://www.blackrobe.net/~kirk1/audio/originators.wmv



Hahahahahahahahaha

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 7:11 PM
Jay does flip that fast flow nice though. "Can't Get With That" is dope.

DaRocTric
July 23rd, 2005, 7:13 PM
None of them are MCs...if he had said 50, Game, Luda, Jay are rappers but Rakim, KRS-1, Talib kweli, Mos Def are real MCs it would of been on point.

Luda,though he has turned commercial, is still on point when it comes to a battle, remember what he did to T.I, Bill O Reily, etc. No one wants a piece of him.

Tom Bombadil
July 23rd, 2005, 7:13 PM
I've never liked Jay Z...........i can't stand him.........His voice bothers me...

Stringer Bell
July 23rd, 2005, 7:45 PM
Well, I'll agree that Rakim, KRS, Talib, etc. are definitely more credible, but that doesn't take away from Jay and Luda. They're great lyricists compared to 50 or Game.

Kris P. Lettus
July 24th, 2005, 6:37 PM
My punchlines aren't corny..

:irked:

Stringer Bell
July 25th, 2005, 2:58 AM
God, I know it's old, but Nas really killed shit with Street's Disciple. I don't think there's been a better mainstream release since. When you can listen to that shit almost a year later and it's still relevent and mostly fresh as fuck, you know it's a classic album. Not Illmatic, but as close as he's come yet. "Nazareth Savage" is just fucking hard, how most rappers wish they could come off on tracks... and songs like "War" just vibe on some real true talk (unlike most other rappers out who claim they spit "real talk" and that nonsense). With only one truly poor song ("No One Else In The Room"), it's one of the few double-albums in rap (or any genre for that matter) that is almost all quality, with minimal filler. Hats off to Nas for saying fuck the radio/MTV and coming with a dope ass album that still bangs just as hard eight months later :yes:

DaRocTric
July 25th, 2005, 1:55 PM
He just put out an diss track to 50. He calls it his 'intro' to NASdaq:dowjones

Chris Scott
July 25th, 2005, 2:24 PM
Why did 50 diss Nas in the first place anyway?

Stringer Bell
July 25th, 2005, 2:30 PM
To generate buzz for his shitty album, the same reason he dissed Jada and Fat Joe.

Where'd you hear that diss, Roc? The only new shit I've heard is "The Honeymoon is Over", which is dope. I really hope he doesn't go with that album title though :(

Chris Scott
July 25th, 2005, 2:37 PM
To generate buzz for his shitty album, the same reason he dissed Jada and Fat Joe.

Where'd you hear that diss, Roc? The only new shit I've heard is "The Honeymoon is Over", which is dope. I really hope he doesn't go with that album title though :(

Well that makes sence since I thought his album was crap. What's this "Honeymoon is over" like?

Stringer Bell
July 25th, 2005, 2:40 PM
It's tight.. you should be able to find it on whatever download program you use. Might be titled "My Will" also..

Chris Scott
July 25th, 2005, 2:47 PM
It's tight.. you should be able to find it on whatever download program you use. Might be titled "My Will" also..

Ok man thanks will look for it.

DaRocTric
July 25th, 2005, 4:54 PM
Well, he paid The Neptunes 2 million for a beat. That Busta Rhymes, P.Diddy, and Joe Budden were all bidding for and said it was an instant classic.

Honeymoon is Over is nice...I heard his diss track over at boxden.com...

Stringer Bell
July 25th, 2005, 4:57 PM
Who are you talking about Roc? Nas? What Neptunes track..?

Downloading that diss track now..

DaRocTric
July 25th, 2005, 6:10 PM
Neptunes made a beat. Busta rhymes, P.Diddy, and Joe Budden along with nas all wanted it. They all said it is an 'instant classic'. A bidding war began. Joe Budden posted 500,000. Busta put up 1.2 million. Diddy put up 1.6 million. *and Nas but up 2.01 million for the one beat and got it, which will be on his new cd.* The stars arent confirmed but Busta Rhymes and Joe Budden said Nas got the beat. While P.Diddy has said Nas getting the beat isnt done yet.

Stringer Bell
July 25th, 2005, 6:13 PM
Damn, that shit must be serious.. on some "Allure" shit but better. To be an "instant classic" it's gotta be more than just their usual funky party track..

That Nas diss to 50 is hot.

Tom Bombadil
July 26th, 2005, 5:36 AM
P diddy should just fuck off.

QuietStorm
July 26th, 2005, 10:54 PM
I can't believe you guys are falling for that bullshit story. The rumor started circulating months ago, anyway.

Stringer Bell
July 26th, 2005, 10:58 PM
From what I understand, it's a lot more than a rumor. I've looked into it more and apparently Busta said it was one of the best beat's he's ever heard.

Quite possibly some sort of publicity stunt for NASDAQ Dow Jones, but surely there's some truth behind it. What's so hard to believe anyway? I mean, maybe some of the figures are incorrect or exaggerated, but shit..

Stringer Bell
July 27th, 2005, 3:09 AM
Major props to QuietStorm for this..

DangerDoom f/ Ghostface "The Mask" (http://www.spinemagazine.com/music/july/dangerdoom/themask.mp3)

Shit is nuts!

Raw Is Jonathan
July 27th, 2005, 2:23 PM
And that remix of Lean Back I've been ranting over.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2U9VG4UIO4QQZ2UXV079HXRZBT

:(

I need to hear this...

Stringer Bell
July 27th, 2005, 2:30 PM
It's nothing special.. download that song in my last post :)

Seanny One Ball
July 27th, 2005, 2:38 PM
The song in your last post....

I dinnae like it at all.

Raw Is Jonathan
July 27th, 2005, 2:48 PM
Dangerdoom...

:eek:

Seanny One Ball
July 27th, 2005, 2:49 PM
What's so great about it?

Raw Is Jonathan
July 27th, 2005, 2:52 PM
What's so great about it?

My eek was for Dangerdoom in general. Especially when you add Cee-Lo into that...

Ordered a few Sage Francis albums to treat myself yesterday. Royce's latest album out yet?

QS, give me a run down on the last few months and next few months in terms of must have albums, I've fallen off over the last few months and bought absolutely nothing. Last purchase was Zion I months back!

Stringer Bell
July 27th, 2005, 3:06 PM
Seanny, if you don't like that track, there's no helping you.. :dunno:

Absolutely mind-blowing production (as always with MF), and both MC's kill it.

Dan The Man
July 27th, 2005, 3:07 PM
What's so great about it?

Lots of stuff. That one part with the thing, and then when that beat was all like going and stuff.

This is why I can't discuss music.

Brak and Zorak were nice as well. One track should just be the audio from the Brak episode with the rap contest. That would be quacktastic.

Seanny One Ball
July 27th, 2005, 3:33 PM
Seanny, if you don't like that track, there's no helping you.. :dunno:

Absolutely mind-blowing production (as always with MF), and both MC's kill it.


Well I dinnae like it, the beat is alright but it's sort of oldschool anthem-ish if you get what I mean?
No problem with that but the rapping doesn't make me grab my balls.

Ghost does better but it's hardly the sort of tune I would learn the words to....

TapOut
July 27th, 2005, 5:52 PM
:(

I need to hear this...

http://s62.yousendit.com/e.php?id=EGHGLJDRYU8G39H5BN9SIYSKS&validate=e3eab&check=1122501028

There you go. Biggie flows like a mofo on this track. Whoever put this thing together has my respect.

DaRocTric
July 27th, 2005, 7:19 PM
Saigon: Game. I think Game is a lost soul, man. I just donít think he has found his way yet. I think growing up in Compton, idolizing gang members Ė heís not really a hardcore gang banger like he makes it seem like, wearing a bandana around your neck, because there are pictures of him on the "Change Of Heart" show with a button down shirt on, as a grown man. I ainít never seen a hardcore Monster Cody-type gang member, which he tries to portray, that wears button-down shirts on TV game shows. Its like heís so caught up into the marketing image of it, he is starting to believe his own hype, almost. I believe it could be to the point where he might be like ready to die just to prove a point like, ĎIím willing to die for this shit.í Iíve met dudes like that. I think heís still finding himself.

I think heís smart. Game is a brainiac! This is what people donít know about Game. Heís a brainy dude. Heís a smart dude. He is by no means a dummy, no. He might not make the smartest decisions all of the time, but heís a thinker. Heís a smart cat. And thatís why I think for him to be coming out and glorifying the Blood thing to the point that he glorifies it, when he has a dead family member, and dead friends who die from it Ė I think he is like a male Lilí Kim. He hasnít found himself yet. Heís still confused. He is still in a growing process. So dudes like that Ė I canít really knock him. Heís not conscious. He hasnít really been where I have been. Put Game in prison for eight years and send Game home and he will be a totally different guy."

Saigon needs to shut the fuck up. He is talking too much shit.
First Jada, Fat Joe, Cassidy, 50 Cent, Jay, Nas, Half of the Rap Game and now The game. Nobody cares Saigon. Stick to rapping.

Stringer Bell
July 27th, 2005, 8:04 PM
Saigon might've been talking a little too much shit, but a lot of what he said makes sense.

As for that BIG blend, it's hot, just seems like something some kid on the internet made. That one BIG Rap Phenomenon tape by DJ Vlad and them was nice though.

QuietStorm
July 28th, 2005, 1:17 AM
The clean promo of Dangerdoom is out. I'm listening now.

Stringer Bell
July 28th, 2005, 2:32 AM
Nice.. is it full length? It's worth hearing even if it's clean, I bet it's fantastic.

jesus sucks
July 28th, 2005, 10:09 AM
picked up the game's album a couple of days ago.

hot shit.

didn't like him at first when i heard he was in g unit because the other 2 members of g unit are shite and the first time i heard game rap he didn't sound anything worth buying a whole cd of. but my opinions changed now. i like this cd almost as much as get rich.

i know it's gangsta rap, and not real hiphop or whatever. it's not deltron, or Common. i've got hundreds of CD's, got all that stuff too. but i love almost all varieties of hiphop. but every now and then especially in the summer i just want to listen gangsta rap from whatever coast that may be. mobb deep, aftermath, death row, three 6 mafia etc. i'm black and from a tough northern city, i want some fuckin' gangsta rap... know what am sayin? :headbang:

ridiculous production, good rapping. the Game :yes:

Chris Scott
July 28th, 2005, 10:14 AM
I'm really into Game's Album since I picked it up last week and like you say it is hot shit. Don't know why it's took me this long to buy it.

jesus sucks
July 28th, 2005, 10:21 AM
it's great like.

i especially like 'Special' featuring nate dogg, and the tracks 'Runnin', 'Dreams' and 'Hate it or Love it' are just fucking monsters.

as soon as i flipped through the booklet and saw that runnin was produced by Hi-Tek i knew it would be immense. the beat is so sinister and smooth. sounds like something Eazy E or Bone Thugs would have made back in the mid nineties. Good lyrics too.

Dreams and love it or hate it are two of the best songs i've ever heard. he really cooked up some marvellous shit with those two. one of kanye's best ever beats aswell.

McBain
July 28th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Here is a track by a guy I mentioned in here a few months back, DJ Nu-Mark. He's not your typical Hip-Hop kind of artist, but I like his stuff, it's a little bit different. He mixes phat beats with more traditional sounds. :)

Bad Luck Blues - http://s16.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1KABF64KL4PGL200QCIO46D779

Chris Scott
July 28th, 2005, 10:25 AM
it's great like.

i especially like 'Special' featuring nate dogg, and the tracks 'Runnin', 'Dreams' and 'Hate it or Love it' are just fucking monsters.

as soon as i flipped through the booklet and saw that runnin was produced by Hi-Tek i knew it would be immense. the beat is so sinister and smooth. sounds like something Eazy E or Bone Thugs would have made back in the mid nineties. Good lyrics too.

Dreams and love it or hate it are two of the best songs i've ever heard. he really cooked up some marvellous shit with those two. one of kanye's best ever beats aswell.

Could not of agreed more, also I like Higher sems like a track to get you in the mood for a party or something.

Chris Scott
July 28th, 2005, 10:39 AM
It's tight.. you should be able to find it on whatever download program you use. Might be titled "My Will" also..

Yes I agree it is tight nice, song. Also I found one called "Don't Body Yaself" a little diss about 50, not a bad song to.

Stringer Bell
July 28th, 2005, 1:57 PM
"Don't Body Yaself" is the 50 diss we were talking about earlier, it's nice as hell.

"Hate It Or Love It" is one of the best songs you've ever heard, jesus? :(

jesus sucks
July 28th, 2005, 2:42 PM
"Don't Body Yaself" is the 50 diss we were talking about earlier, it's nice as hell.

"Hate It Or Love It" is one of the best songs you've ever heard, jesus? :(

yeah for what it is, mainly for the beat and the 1st verse. it's not hardcore or anything, just a good summer tune :yes:

i like this kind of rap too, you don't so let's leave it at that.

Stringer Bell
July 28th, 2005, 2:52 PM
What "kind of rap"? :wtf:

I'm just shocked you said it was one of the best songs you've ever heard. It's not even that I dislike Game so much. I even think there are stronger songs on that album.. "Start From Scratch" and "No More Fun and Games" in partciular.

Really though, 50's shitty verse and an average beat make it the best song you've ever heard?

jesus sucks
July 28th, 2005, 3:12 PM
it's not the best song ever i just meant for what it is it's one of the best i've heard. radio friendly club song. it came on in the bar the other week and everyone went nuts.

think the beat's good :dunno:

how's his verse shitty? that's a quality verse. the 1st one.

Stringer Bell
July 28th, 2005, 5:23 PM
The better question is.. how is it not shitty?

Comin up I was confused, my mommy kissin a girl
Confusion occurs comin up in the cold world
Daddy ain't around, probably out commitin felonies
My favorite rapper used to sing, "Check check out +My Melody+"
I wanna live good, so shit I sell dope
Four-four finger ring, one of them gold ropes
Lana told me if I passed I'd get a sheepskin coat
If I can move a few packs I'd get the hat, now that'd be dope
Tossed and turned in my sleep that night
Woke up the next mornin, niggaz had stole my bike
Different day, same shit, ain't nuttin good in the hood
I'd run away from this bitch and never come back if I could

Game outspits 50 on that track, in my opinion :dunno:

Fro
July 28th, 2005, 5:35 PM
I agree that lyrically that verse isn't anything special but 50's flow is what makes it great. He uses the beat perfectly and his voice sounds perfect over it. That's basically how I sum up 50's whole career, particularly under Aftermath. He gets good beats and sounds good on them, though lacking any real lyrical talent. Hate it or love it (pun intended), he has used that talent to become the most successful rapper today.

DaRocTric
July 28th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Myy favorite track is 'The Documentary' 'Dreams' 'Start from Scratch' and 'Like FAther Like Son'

jesus sucks
July 29th, 2005, 8:56 AM
The better question is.. how is it not shitty?

Comin up I was confused, my mommy kissin a girl
Confusion occurs comin up in the cold world
Daddy ain't around, probably out commitin felonies
My favorite rapper used to sing, "Check check out +My Melody+"
I wanna live good, so shit I sell dope
Four-four finger ring, one of them gold ropes
Lana told me if I passed I'd get a sheepskin coat
If I can move a few packs I'd get the hat, now that'd be dope
Tossed and turned in my sleep that night
Woke up the next mornin, niggaz had stole my bike
Different day, same shit, ain't nuttin good in the hood
I'd run away from this bitch and never come back if I could

Game outspits 50 on that track, in my opinion :dunno:


what is it that makes that so shitty? decent rhyme, better delivery. it's a good verse.

Stringer Bell
July 29th, 2005, 1:54 PM
I dunno, I think those are pretty shitty rhymes, and even dumber lyrics. Enjoy junk rap though, doesn't bother me.

Honestly, I think 50's flow on "How We Do" was even better.

50 sucks, plain and simple. Game's an average MC, but 50's just wack.

Stringer Bell
July 30th, 2005, 3:31 PM
Wow.. got that DangerDoom LP. Shit is nuts! Quickly becoming my favorite album of the year...

QuietStorm
July 31st, 2005, 2:13 PM
Holy....shit. Canibus is king. He just released a 9 minute track on C-C. A little TVM, a little 2000 B.C, a little MiClub. Kanye beats all over.


I'll upload it tonight.


"Part of me is waitin' for the release, part of me is at peace, the other part is deceased...."


It isn't 9 minutes of straight rapping, just a lot of stuff pieced together. All new though. Cloak & Dagger and Phoenix are both on there.

Stringer Bell
July 31st, 2005, 3:11 PM
Sounds interesting :yes:

Raw Is Jonathan
July 31st, 2005, 4:54 PM
New Royce out yet?

Love Sage Francis's latest album, got a bit of everything on there, tracks 2 and 4 are current faves...

Got Illogics Unforeseen Shadows, some nice songs on there too.

Stringer Bell
July 31st, 2005, 6:01 PM
Yeah, Royce dropepd Independence Day. I liked it, some people hated it. It's not Death Is Certain, but it's got a lot of good songs. His crew's kinda wack though :dunno:

I'm not big on Sage Francis, but I have heard good things about his new one.

How's the most recent Lyrics Born, Same Shit Different Day?

Right now I've been stuck on MF Doom's whole catalogue, same for Madlib. Picked up Quasimoto The Further Adventure's of Lord Quas and RJD2's Since We Last Spoke (last as fuck on that, I know..), both quality albums :yes: And of course that DangerDoom LP, everyone needs to check that out if they have any taste in hip-hop.

Been listening to that new Cage too, courtesy of QuietStorm.. very entertaining album.

DaRocTric
July 31st, 2005, 9:37 PM
Some of his people are good, ex. Juan, Kid Vishis.

I liked his guest appearances, Cee-Lo Green, R.I.P Blade Icewood, etc.

I give I.D a 4/5. I cant wait for July 5th.

Kris P. Lettus
August 3rd, 2005, 4:32 PM
DANGER MOUSE
& MF DOOM Collaborate!

http://www.dangerdoom.com/images/background.jpg

DANGERDOOM:
The Mouse and the Mask
Special guests include
Ghostface Killah, Cee-Lo & Talib Kweli

Adult Swim Inspired Album, Set to Debut in October 2005 on Epitaph Records

Two of this generation's most respected hip-hop artists, Danger Mouse and MF DOOM, have come together to produce DANGERDOOM: The Mouse and the Mask, an album inspired by Adult Swim, Cartoon Network's popular late-night animation network. The album, set to debut in October 2005, will be released on Epitaph Records, in association with Adult Swim. The album will contain character voices and skits from Adult Swim's most popular original shows, including Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Sealab 2021 and Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law.

Danger Mouse is recognized as one of music's most innovative artists and producers. Danger Mouse's The Grey Album, an ingenious re-production of Jay-Z's Black Album with the Beatles' White Album, was named the Album-of-the-Year in 2004 by Entertainment Weekly and catapulted him into the international spotlight. Danger Mouse recently produced Gorillaz Demon Days album, which has sold more than 500,000 copies worldwide in it's initial first weeks of release. His next project is Gnarls Barkley, a collaboration with music's flamboyant, one-of-a-kind force of nature, Cee-Lo.

After a five-year hiatus, that ended in 1998, a former member of KMD emerged as MF DOOM, a persona inspired by the comic supervillain Dr. Doom, and released the critically praised albums Operation: Doomsday and Mmm...Food. DOOM also released one of 2004's most acclaimed albums, Madvillain (featured in Spin, Rolling Stone, Vibe, The New Yorker, etc), under the same name and Venomous Villain under the name Victor Vaughn. He has been involved in a number of collaborations with the industry's finest and has a project with Ghostface Killah (Wu-Tang Clan) in the works.


wOOt

Stringer Bell
August 3rd, 2005, 4:35 PM
We've been talking about that, son. It's fantastic.

Kris P. Lettus
August 3rd, 2005, 4:36 PM
Who was the first person in this thread to mention it, son?? I know..

Dan The Man
August 3rd, 2005, 4:38 PM
Who was the first person in this thread to mention it, son?? I know..

Me.

http://forums.rajah.com/showpost.php?p=3550333&postcount=3331

Kris P. Lettus
August 3rd, 2005, 4:38 PM
:ashamed:

Seanny One Ball
August 3rd, 2005, 4:39 PM
Buck just because you're still here doesn't mean you're saying anything new.

You come off as a petulant child half the fuckin time, give it up - things were going fine.

Stringer Bell
August 3rd, 2005, 4:41 PM
What the fuck are you talking about?

He posted it like some news, when Dan had posted a very similar article and people had been discussing the leak. Exactly what I said.. we've been talking about it.

What do you mean 'things were going fine'? :rolleyes:

Aren't you the dude who said "The Mask" was a mediocre track anyway? Crazy talk..

Go back to whining about Hack in the Freestyle thread.