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QuietStorm
May 11th, 2005, 1:02 AM
Cassidy is the future.

Kris P. Lettus
May 11th, 2005, 4:23 AM
O_o

Tom Bombadil
May 11th, 2005, 4:40 AM
Cassidy is the future.

:wtf: Is this the guy that released hotel. :lol:

Stringer Bell
May 11th, 2005, 8:31 AM
Are you serious about Cassidy? That kid is a clown...

A hot single means nothing. And really, Swizz killed that single, Cassidy did nothing... (beats been MURDERED by other MC's)

QuietStorm
May 11th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Of course I am serious. His album was awful because he changed his style to appeal to girls. Almost all of his mixtape stuff is solid. And everyone knows how he owned Beanie Sigel. Watch out for Personality Change, I guarantee it will be quality.

Raw Is Jonathan
May 11th, 2005, 1:44 PM
:lol:

Nice one QS.

QuietStorm
May 11th, 2005, 1:47 PM
:$


Bastards.

QuietStorm
May 11th, 2005, 9:16 PM
This thread makes me laugh. 95% of you mutha fuckas posting in here are about as hip hop as a Star Wars convention in Idaho.

I know you weren't talking about me.

TapOut
May 11th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Just heard Kanye West's new single, Diamonds.

Utter garbage. Can't believe he chose to put this piece of crap track out. Sounds like a filler track that Fabolous would put on his album. Shite, shite, shite. I had high hopes. I'm sure the album will be good, but this was a poor choice for a first single.

THE jANK
May 12th, 2005, 2:57 AM
I know you weren't talking about me.

If the shoe fitsÖ

Who the fuck are you?

Just by browsing this thread briefly, I see that you are one of these internet nerd poser types who try and act all pretentious just because your fellow nerds say mediocre crap like anticon and sage francis is cool. Youíre probably a part-time listener who disses hip hop in the company of your friends who listen to something different.

I was merely making an observation concerning the lack of knowledge in this thread. What the fuck gives you the balls to step to me concerning this topic? Just a couple of years ago were putting 50 Cent & Eminem (http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=38264&page=3&pp=25) on your all-time MC list and now after finishing your little 2 year internet hip hop internship, we are to believe that you are some kind of underground expert? AHAHAHAHAHH

Iíve been breathing and living the hip hop lifestyle for over 25 years, longer than your punk ass has been in existence kid. Growing up in uptown NYC, I graffed up the A-train, did windmills on cardboard and jammed at block parties as a shorty with THE actual pioneers of this shit. Iíve got more hip hop in one of my pubes that youíll ever have in 500 lifetimes.

I can tell youíre a bitch-made poser because you go out of your way to belittle styles of the genre that arenít your taste. People like me whoíve actually experienced the growth of hip hop from damn near birth, appreciate the expansion of the movement that has helped many previously hopeless people from the community find an avenue for success. Stop acting like youíre some know-it-all in front of a bunch of casual listeners on a wrestling website. Your little schtick aint fooling a real head like me, and like Common once said, I see the bitch in you. Therefore, I will keep laughing my balls off at your expense.

Keeping your ears to the street > keeping your ears to the modem.

Simon
May 12th, 2005, 4:44 AM
Hey jANK you better watch your mouth before I decide to stroll in here and school you.

QuietStorm
May 12th, 2005, 5:57 AM
Maybe I'll defend anything I feel worth defending later (if I am not banned yet) but for now I'll just say that the one-liner was meant to be taken humorously with the sig. And obviously jANK decided to take the opportunity to solidify himself as King All Shit. Spectacular.

THE jANK
May 12th, 2005, 1:34 PM
Maybe I'll defend anything I feel worth defending later (if I am not banned yet) but for now I'll just say that the one-liner was meant to be taken humorously with the sig. And obviously jANK decided to take the opportunity to solidify himself as King All Shit. Spectacular.

Your name is not Simon or Kripsy, so you don't know me well enough to be joking with me. Methinks I hurt your wee feelings seeing as you by far have the most posts in this thread and have been laying on this pretentious little act throughout.

Kris P. Lettus
May 12th, 2005, 7:57 PM
But he :heart:s "real" Hip Hop.. Like BuckMarley..

Not shit like Scareface and UGK..

:rolleyes:

Kris P. Lettus
May 12th, 2005, 8:02 PM
Speaking of UGK, has anyone heard Pimp C's new album??

I heard from my boy L-D (who's on the inside of the Southern Hip Hop sene) that Master P had Pimp C kidnapped in NOLA.. He was held for over a week.. His recent stint in jail steamed from him shooting at one of the kidnappers, who he saw soon after he was let go.. This all comes from old beef from when No Limit was trying to sign UGK..

On his album he seems pretty shaken about the whole thing..but again, I haven't heard it..

Pretty fucked up..

Dan The Man
May 14th, 2005, 8:09 PM
I just saw Mos in a GMC commercial.

So much for the rape over...

mikcelbe
May 15th, 2005, 1:41 PM
Speaking of UGK, has anyone heard Pimp C's new album??

I heard from my boy L-D (who's on the inside of the Southern Hip Hop sene) that Master P had Pimp C kidnapped in NOLA.. He was held for over a week.. His recent stint in jail steamed from him shooting at one of the kidnappers, who he saw soon after he was let go.. This all comes from old beef from when No Limit was trying to sign UGK..

On his album he seems pretty shaken about the whole thing..but again, I haven't heard it..

Pretty fucked up..

Do you know when Pimp C's parole is up? I've heard December, but that's just a rumor.

Kris P. Lettus
May 15th, 2005, 2:54 PM
Dunno..

He's in for 7 years..

Listen to some of his album last night..

"You aint had a hit since I sold you Break Em Off"

lol

Kris P. Lettus
May 15th, 2005, 10:06 PM
Watched part of the Game's dvd in my boys car last night.. He's so f'n garbage.. While talking about G-Unit, he says something like "and we got Young Buck, like the first rapper from the South who's lyrical.. That actually uses lyrics.."

WTF

I can list off MC's from the South who would destroy both The Game and Young Buck..

-Eightball
-Big Boi
-Andre 3000
-Cee Lo
-Mellow Capone
-Luda
-T.I.
-Pimp C
-Bun B
-SCAR(MOTHERFUCKING)FACE

Come on..

QuietStorm
May 15th, 2005, 11:05 PM
So when I do it, it is different?

QuietStorm
May 15th, 2005, 11:21 PM
I have never once pushed my own tastes on anyone. Obviously I am going to have different tastes than someone like Jank or Krispy. But I have never personally bashed another's tastes, sure I comment on artists but it is no different than anyone else does. I live in Mount Pleasant, MI where basically the only blacks here are the ones going to college and it is hard to find anyone that properly gives a fuck about hip hop unless I traveled downstate to do so.

I went to a private high school. My parents are certainly not rich, but they are secure in that middle class. My personal taste evolved from my surroundings, same as you guys. I never once argued I was as "hip hop" as Krispy or Jank or certainly not KRS-One.

I have learned a lot from 19 to 22. And I am not a hip hop expert nor have I ever tried to be. I comment on what I know. Stay away from what I don't. I guess people started looking at me differently based on how many posts I had in this thread or artists I enjoy listening to that they aren't familiar with. Just because I recommended shit to people or liked a white boy who raps it makes me pretentious? Or because I playfully have knocked the South just to get after Krispy a bit. Bullshit. And I appreciate what the South has done for hip hop. And I enjoy a bit of it. But as a whole it just doesn't fit me.


I'm sorry for trying to be anything more than an overzealous fan of Canibus.



And as recently as a couple months ago, I said that 50 Cent's "Guess Who's Back" was my shit a few years ago. Just as I still enjoy listening to The Slim Shady LP every few months or so. That is all I have to say about that list, which I'm sure changed in some form the next day.


The Dogg Pound at #4. Hahahahahahahaha....

Kris P. Lettus
May 15th, 2005, 11:30 PM
You put me on alot of shit a while back.. Never really saw you as pretentious..

Specially compared to people like BuckMarley..

:yes:

p.s. Do you have the Sage Francis "Mullet" slam poetry MP3??

QuietStorm
May 15th, 2005, 11:33 PM
My music folder was gutted when my computer crashed in the summer, but I don't think I've ever had that file. If I can locate it I'll yousendit.

THE jANK
May 15th, 2005, 11:54 PM
Quietstorm, I aint reading all that shit.

Go back and read some of your posts. You say pretentious shit quite often. You might not think so, but from my perspective it seems a bit ridiculous. The "I'm joking" line should be retired from this place forever because it is more played out than wearing polka dots.

You're the one who tries to come across as "king all shit" when your experience doesn't merit it, hence the card pulling.

I don't think you're complete shit. Canibus is pretty dope and his verse from Beasts from the East is quite possibly the greatest verse in history.

Kris P. Lettus
May 15th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Nah..

Andre's "Stopped at the mall the other day..." verse from Elavators is the greatest verse ever..

Followed closely by Sticky Fingaz "I'm B-boy, standing in a B-boy stance.." verse from Slam..

:heart:

THE jANK
May 16th, 2005, 12:04 AM
Nah..

Andre's "Stopped at the mall the other day..." verse from Elavators is the greatest verse ever..

Followed closely by Sticky Fingaz "I'm B-boy, standing in a B-boy stance.." verse from Slam..

:heart:

So many to choose from...

Didn't hear that bit about Pimp C. I haven't had time to get his album but from what I heard, it's mostly older out-dated tracks, which would be a pity considering he deserves a phat album.

THE jANK
May 16th, 2005, 12:12 AM
Rass Kass is free and I hope he comes to eats mcs. Any word on his album or the golden state warriors album?

Kris P. Lettus
May 16th, 2005, 12:27 AM
So many to choose from...

Didn't hear that bit about Pimp C. I haven't had time to get his album but from what I heard, it's mostly older out-dated tracks, which would be a pity considering he deserves a phat album.

From what I heard the album was decent.. He talks alot of shit about Master P, though.. Which is awesome..

Simon
May 16th, 2005, 5:14 AM
Followed closely by Sticky Fingaz "I'm B-boy, standing in a B-boy stance.." verse from Slam..

:heart:Sounds like he has a gun to his head on that verse, AMAZING.

Best verse though...so many to choose from, lads...


Street's disciple, my raps are trifle
I shoot slugs from my brain just like a rifle
Stampede the stage, I leave the microphone split
Play Mr. Tuffy while I'm on some Pretty Tone shit
Verbal assassin, my architect pleases
When I was twelve, I went to hell for snuffin Jesus
Nasty Nas is a rebel to America
Police murderer, I'm causin hysteria
My troops roll up with a strange force
I was trapped in a cage and let out by the Main Source
Swimmin in women like a lifeguard
Put on a bulletproof nigga I strike hard
Kidnap the President's wife without a plan
And hangin niggaz like the Ku Klux Klan
I melt mics till the sound waves over
Before steppin to me you'd rather step to Jehovah
Slammin MC's on cement
Cause verbally, I'm iller than a AIDS patient
I move swift and uplift
your mind shoot the gift when I riff in rhyme
Rappin sniper, speakin real words
My thoughts react, like Steven Spielberg's
Poetry attacks, paragraphs punch hard
My brain is insane, I'm out to lunch God
Science is dropped, my raps are toxic
My voicebox locks and excels like a rocket

Obviously it's quality just reading it, but when you take into account the context of it, it just gets more incredible. Nas' first ever 'official' performance, written when he was SIXTEEN. That is fucking incredible.



In The Commision, you ask for permission to hit 'em
He don't like me, hit him while wifey was with him
You heard of us, the murderous, most shady
Been on the low lately, the feds hate me
The son of (*Satan*), they say my killing's too blatant
You hesitatin, I'm in your mama crib waitin
Duct tapin, your fam' destiny
lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist
Francis, M to the iz-H phenominal
Gun rest under your vest by the abdominal
Rhyme a few bars so I can buy a few cars
And I kick a few flows so I can pimp a few hoes
Excellence is my presence, never tense
Never hesitant, leave a nigga bent real quick
Real sick, brawl nights, I perform like Mike
Anyone -- Tyson, Jordan, Jackson
action, pack guns, ridiculous
And I'm, quick to bust, if my ends you touch
Kids or girl you touch, in this world I clutch
Two auto-matoes, used to call me fatso
Now you call me Castro, my rap flows
militant, y'all faggots ain't killin shit
Ooops Cristal keep spillin shit; you overdid it homes
You in the danger zone, you shouldn't be alone
Hold hands and say it like me
The most shady, Frankie baby, fantastic
Graphic, tryin to make dough, like +Jurassic+
+Park+ did quick to spark kids who start shit
See me, only me
The Underboss of this holocaust
Truly yours, Frank White


Delivery on that is what really makes it, but lyrically it's awesome too. Maybe not a classic in the normal sense, but all things considered it's one of those verses you can just listen to again, and again, and again, and again...



Yo, dwellin in the past, flashbacks when I was young
Whoever thought that I'd have a baby girl and three sons
I'm goin through this difficult stage I find it hard to believe
Why my old Earth had so many seeds
But she's an old woman, and due to me I respect that
I saw life for what it's really worth and took a step back
Family ain't family no more, we used to play ball
Eggs after school, eat grits cause we was poor
Grab the pliers for the channel, fix the hanger on the TV
Rockin each others pants to school wasn't easy
We survived winters, snotty nosed with no coats
We kept it real, but the older brother still had jokes
Sadly, daddy left me at the age of six
I didn't know nuttin but mommy neatly packed his shit
She cried, and grandma held the family down
I guess mommy wasn't strong enough, she just went down
Check it, fifteen of us in a three bedroom apartment
Roaches everywhere, cousins and aunts was there
Four in the bed, two at the foot, two at the head
I didn't like to sleep with Jon-Jon he peed the bed
Seven o'clock, pluckin roaches out the cereal box
Some shared the same spoon, watchin saturday cartoons
Sugar water was our thing, every meal was no thrill
In the summer, free lunch held us down like steel
And there was days I had to go to Tex house with a note
Stating "Gloria can I borrow some food I'm dead broke"
So embarrasin I couldn't stand to knock on they door
My friends might be laughin, I spent stamps in stores
Mommy where's the toilet paper, use the newspaper
Look Ms. Rose gave us a couch, she's the neighbor
Things was deep, my whole youth was sharper than cleats
Two brothers with muscular dystrophy, it killed me
But I remember this, mom's would lick her finger tips
To wipe the cold out my eye before school wit her spit
Case worker had her runnin back to face to face
I caught a case, housin tried to throw us out of our place
Sometimes I look up at the stars and analyze the sky
And ask myself was I meant to be here... why?

The ultimate in storytelling...deep without being boring, emotional without being sickly sweet...Ghost is the maaaaaaaaaan. Verse just takes you right into the song, like you're there.


Can't really be arsed to find any more verses but the other ones that are 'right up there'...

-Big Pun's The Dream Shatterer, verse starts with "I shatter dreams like Jordan, assault and batter your team..."
-Nas' NY State Of Mind, verse starts with "Rappers, I monkeyflip 'em `with the funky rhythm I be kickin'..."
-Common's Retrospect For Life, verse starts with "Knowing you're the best part of life, do I have the right to take yours?..."
-Mos Def's Thieves In The Night, verse starts with "I'm sure that everybody out listening agree..."
-Nas' It Ain't Hard To Tell, verse starts with "I excel, then prevail..."

Too much Nas :$

Oh and best Outkast verse = Dre on Git Up Git Out :D

Seanny One Ball
May 17th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Who's everyone listening to right now?

I'm still firmly on Mobb Deep's dick, getting back into my Canibus records and my Jay Z.

For some reason I've started listening to my old DMX stuff too...not as worrying as it is good. Glad.

TapOut
May 17th, 2005, 11:33 AM
-Eightball
-Big Boi
-Andre 3000
-Cee Lo
-Mellow Capone
-Luda
-T.I.
-Pimp C
-Bun B
-SCAR(MOTHERFUCKING)FACE

Come on..

Cee Lo is an extremely underated and amazing talent. I picked up Soul Machine about two or three months ago, after I saw him perform "The One" on Night at the Appollo. That album mixes Soul, RnB, Hip-Hop and hard rap lyrics with meaningful and deep messages seemlessly. It is one of the most slick, well produced albums I've heard in a long time. It's a shame The One didn't make it to mainstream radio, as it could and should have easily been a top ten single.

spanish announce table
May 17th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Nah..

Andre's "Stopped at the mall the other day..." verse from Elavators is the greatest verse ever..

Followed closely by Sticky Fingaz "I'm B-boy, standing in a B-boy stance.." verse from Slam..

:heart:

- Masta Killa's "Homicide's illegal and death is the penalty..." verse from Chessboxin' is one my favorites.

- Inspectah Deck's "It's been 22 long hard years, and still struggling..." from CREAM

- Cappadonna's "You heard other raps before..." verse from Winter Warz

- Andre 3000's "Suzy Screw had a partner named Sasha..." verse from Storytellin' Pt. 2

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 1:20 PM
There's millions to chose from, those are just two that have always stuck with me..

:dunno:

QuietStorm
May 17th, 2005, 1:31 PM
Who's everyone listening to right now?

I'm still firmly on Mobb Deep's dick, getting back into my Canibus records and my Jay Z.

For some reason I've started listening to my old DMX stuff too...not as worrying as it is good. Glad.
41 Minutes of Canibus Freesytles (http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1SD6M9KIMT03A0UH5EMDS27NQC)


I've been listening to the new C-Rayz Walz album the last couple days. Somewhat disappointing and definitely not up to par for him. His best work is still Limelight: The Outroduction in my opinion.

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 1:40 PM
Loving some Kool Keith(mix cd's), ATLiens, and UGK's Greatest Hits right now..

Is Cena's album worth buying?? I've kinda dug what I've heard of it..

:\

Morrison
May 17th, 2005, 4:44 PM
Who's everyone listening to right now?

I'm still firmly on Mobb Deep's dick, getting back into my Canibus records and my Jay Z.

For some reason I've started listening to my old DMX stuff too...not as worrying as it is good. Glad.
Gangstarr and Guru's Jazzmatazz albums have been in heavy rotation with me. House of Pain's self-titled and Jeru the Damaja's The Sun Rises in the East keep getting play too.

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 4:54 PM
House of Pain-Self Titled??

I always called it Fine Malt Lyrics..

:\

Morrison
May 17th, 2005, 4:59 PM
Any place I've seen it mentioned, it's been called House of Pain. Though it's understandable how the name would be confused with Fine Malt Lyrics...

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 5:34 PM
But on the album it says House of Pain-Fine Malt Lyrics in the little logo..

I use to have a shirt that said the same thing..

:dunno:

Morrison
May 17th, 2005, 5:37 PM
That's where the confusion comes in. Not saying you're wrong, it's just that I've never heard it refered to by the name by anybody.

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 5:53 PM
As I have never heard it called House of Pain-House of Pain..

Whatever floats your boat or finds your lost remote..

:beer:

p.s.That album has the greatest intro of all time...

Stringer Bell
May 17th, 2005, 9:55 PM
I dunno if I'd say Cena's worth buying, but it's good. Worth downloading.

You really think Eightball would destroy Game? Eightball hasn't been nice on the mic for awhile.. I agree with everyone else on the list though, especially against Young Buck.

Tap.. suprised you don't like that Kanye single. The beat is bananas.

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Eightball would destroy The Game..

TapOut
May 17th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Tap.. suprised you don't like that Kanye single. The beat is bananas.

I can't stand it...no rhythm at all. That's what I loved about the singles from College Dropout: knee-slapping beats with catchy choruses. This song has none of that, at least in my opinion. Horrible, horrible first single for such an anticipated sophomore release.

TapOut
May 17th, 2005, 10:37 PM
Eightball would destroy The Game..

More than likely, but if Game could have all of his songs match the quality of "Dreams" from The Documentary.. damn.

Kris P. Lettus
May 17th, 2005, 10:37 PM
And you know who mellow Capone is??

:eek:

Stringer Bell
May 17th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Eightball is just not hot. He hasn't been for years. I respect his contributions, but come on.. I've got Almost Famous and the stuff after that, and it's all below average..

By the way, Cee Lo wouldn't destroy anybody. If we're talking about talent, sure, he's 10x the artist that anyone in G-Unit is. But battle rapping? When has Cee Lo ever came hard on some battle shit? Everyone knows he's the smooth, funky member of Goodie (or once was... they ain't shit without him), who would just break down into some straight singing.. lyrical battles aren't his forte'

Nah, don't know Mellow Capone.. everyone else on the list, that is.

TapOut
May 17th, 2005, 11:41 PM
Eightball is just not hot. He hasn't been for years. I respect his contributions, but come on.. I've got Almost Famous and the stuff after that, and it's all below average..

By the way, Cee Lo wouldn't destroy anybody. If we're talking about talent, sure, he's 10x the artist that anyone in G-Unit is. But battle rapping? When has Cee Lo ever came hard on some battle shit? Everyone knows he's the smooth, funky member of Goodie (or once was... they ain't shit without him), who would just break down into some straight singing.. lyrical battles aren't his forte'

Nah, don't know Mellow Capone.. everyone else on the list, that is.

I get what you're saying about Cee-Lo, but his rhymes actually have meaning and depth to them. I've never heard him on any mixtapes or underground stuff, so I don't know if he can freestyle or what, but he does more than just sing: he can flow and put some awesome words together. So if we're talking about who can rap better, well, a lot of people would go over him, but if we're talking about who can put lyrics together or flow better, I'm gonna say Cee-Lo.

Kris P. Lettus
May 18th, 2005, 12:12 AM
The Soul Machine>track 13>glockapella

QuietStorm
May 18th, 2005, 1:29 AM
www.jus-allah.com (http://www.jus-allah.com)


Three album tracks. All Fates Have Changed, June 7th.




C-Rayz Walz Limelight: The Outroduction (http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0YFZPK2IO2RNH0UBGUM7HCGJ8N)

Seanny One Ball
May 18th, 2005, 7:57 AM
Downloading Canibus Freestyles right now, cheers for that Nate :beer:

Stringer Bell
May 18th, 2005, 7:57 AM
Oh, I know Cee can rap, I never said he couldn't. I'm simply saying battle rapping isn't his forte', making it kinda hard to "kill" someone lyrically..

"Evening News" is still the jam.. Primo laced it. "Die Trying" and "My Kind of People" are favorites too.

Seanny One Ball
May 18th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Can someone name a few heavy instrumentals I could find easily on some sort of p2p programme like Kazaa?

I don't want too much dark rap but some heavy beats by Alchemist or Rza would do :yes:


Anything you can recommend really.

QuietStorm
May 18th, 2005, 4:16 PM
Anyone else listen to mcenroe or anything else from Peanuts & Corn? I've been getting way into the label lately. Disenfranchised 2 and Gruf's album will probably be my next two purchases.


www.peanutsandcorn.com (http://www.peanutsandcorn.com)


mcenroe has produced about 20 albums in the past few years btw. Tough to find another producer as skilled or hard-working as him.

TapOut
May 18th, 2005, 4:34 PM
Can someone name a few heavy instrumentals I could find easily on some sort of p2p programme like Kazaa?

I don't want too much dark rap but some heavy beats by Alchemist or Rza would do :yes:


Anything you can recommend really.

I love Timbaland instrumentals. They are pretty easily available. I especially enjoy the "Luv 2 Luv U" instrumental. If you can get that, get it.

Seanny One Ball
May 18th, 2005, 4:57 PM
Timbaland is wack yo

TapOut
May 18th, 2005, 5:35 PM
Timbaland is wack yo

:eek:

:mad:

He's the funky beat maker, when it's cold outside he eats popcicles.... what can I say? Tim ain't wack, he's the man yo...

Kris P. Lettus
May 19th, 2005, 1:58 AM
Oh, I know Cee can rap, I never said he couldn't. I'm simply saying battle rapping isn't his forte', making it kinda hard to "kill" someone lyrically..

See, it's funny cause he made that track as an "open" battle rap.. He even says it, several times..

It's kinda what that song is...

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Seanny One Ball
May 19th, 2005, 8:40 AM
:eek:

:mad:

He's the funky beat maker, when it's cold outside he eats popcicles.... what can I say? Tim ain't wack, he's the man yo...


He aint my man...

Fro
May 19th, 2005, 9:06 PM
I think no one can deny Timbaland's beat making abilities. First look at the hundred-some singles he's produced, most of which are dope as shit and popular for a damn good reason. Then listen to some of the albums he produced: the only one I have is Welcome to our World with Magoo. It's a very weak album lyrically, but musically I love it. I can definetly just play that shit and vibe to its beats. I can see his style not being for everyone as its real clubby and radio friendly, but don't playa hate the man. He's got skills.

TapOut
May 19th, 2005, 9:59 PM
I think no one can deny Timbaland's beat making abilities. First look at the hundred-some singles he's produced, most of which are dope as shit and popular for a damn good reason. Then listen to some of the albums he produced: the only one I have is Welcome to our World with Magoo. It's a very weak album lyrically, but musically I love it. I can definetly just play that shit and vibe to its beats. I can see his style not being for everyone as its real clubby and radio friendly, but don't playa hate the man. He's got skills.

I own Welcome To Our World and Tim's Bio. Both are awesome. I don't think the albums are lyrically weak either: Tim isn't really hip-hop, he's more rap/rNb. He raps over his beats as opposed to being a lyricist.

Stringer Bell
May 19th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Tap man, Tim's stuff is beyond weak lyrically. His boy Magoo has spit some of the corniest shit of the 90's (how about that "Bird bird bird" line?). Tim himself has never spit anything above average..

On the other hand, his beats are ridiculous. I can't believe you're hating on his production Seanny. He might not make a banger everytime like Just Blaze, but he's still one of the most consistently dope producers in the game.

Simon
May 20th, 2005, 5:58 AM
I didn't used to like Timbaland aparticularly, but that was when I judged all hip-hop by the same criteria - and lyrically, Timbaland's music was nowhere, so I didn't really like his tracks. Now that I've broadened my horizons a little and just take his music for what it is, I fucking love it...fantastic producer, every track he makes you can imagine going mad for in a club. That track he produced for Justin Timberlake for the Shark Tale movie (Good Foot) was brilliant, the bass was astonishing.

TapOut
May 20th, 2005, 6:51 AM
Tap man, Tim's stuff is beyond weak lyrically. His boy Magoo has spit some of the corniest shit of the 90's (how about that "Bird bird bird" line?). Tim himself has never spit anything above average..

On the other hand, his beats are ridiculous. I can't believe you're hating on his production Seanny. He might not make a banger everytime like Just Blaze, but he's still one of the most consistently dope producers in the game.

Bird's the word? Yeah, somewhat corny, but extremely catchy and he had everyone singing it.

His stuff is only weak if you're looking for deep rap lyrics. That's like calling Elton John a weak lyricist: he's not a hardcore hip-hop poet. Timbaland makes rap music, a big difference from hip-hop. His lyrics fit the context of the beat he's making.

Seanny One Ball
May 20th, 2005, 10:16 AM
On the other hand, his beats are ridiculous. I can't believe you're hating on his production Seanny. He might not make a banger everytime like Just Blaze, but he's still one of the most consistently dope producers in the game.



I aint hatin, I just said he was wack.

That means I don't listen, I don't buy and I don't go out of my way to find out about him.

That means I don't play Missy, Magoo, Timb or fuckin Bubba "I got tired halfway so can someone else finish this verse?" Sparxx.

I'm sure he's a very good producer for that style, but then the SpiceGirl's were quite well produced and I didn't buy their shite either.

Stringer Bell
May 20th, 2005, 11:14 AM
I aint hatin, I just said he was wack.

That means I don't listen, I don't buy and I don't go out of my way to find out about him.

That means I don't play Missy, Magoo, Timb or fuckin Bubba "I got tired halfway so can someone else finish this verse?" Sparxx.

I'm sure he's a very good producer for that style, but then the SpiceGirl's were quite well produced and I didn't buy their shite either.

Missy, Magoo, Timb, and Bubba are all horrible rappers, I didn't say anything about them.

I highly doubt you've even looked into Tim's beat catalouge. You're on some ignorant shit with that Spice Girls line :rofl:

Seanny One Ball
May 20th, 2005, 11:28 AM
Missy, Magoo, Timb, and Bubba are all horrible rappers, I didn't say anything about them.

I highly doubt you've even looked into Tim's beat catalouge. You're on some ignorant shit with that Spice Girls line :rofl:



I'd cut that shit out if I was you, son.
Looks to me like you're going out of your way to antagonise people. For example, I was just responding to your post aimed at me when I said that I disliked what I had heard of Timb and anyone I've seen him work with regularly.

Put it this way, without being a prick I basically said I didn't like the music - you know, the exact opposite of what you did a couple of pages back.

The most confusing thing is that you agreed with me about Magoo, Missy and Bubba then went on as if you were disagreeing.
You're a fucking weird cunt, and you can't spell catalogue.

Stringer Bell
May 20th, 2005, 6:01 PM
I'd cut that shit out if I was you, son.
Looks to me like you're going out of your way to antagonise people. For example, I was just responding to your post aimed at me when I said that I disliked what I had heard of Timb and anyone I've seen him work with regularly.

Put it this way, without being a prick I basically said I didn't like the music - you know, the exact opposite of what you did a couple of pages back.

The most confusing thing is that you agreed with me about Magoo, Missy and Bubba then went on as if you were disagreeing.
You're a fucking weird cunt, and you can't spell catalogue.

Obviously you didn't read my post very carfully.

Tim, Bubba, and co. are all HORRIBLE rappers.. there hasn't been impressive verse out of that whole camp, ever... calling them average is being nice.

On the other hand, Tim's one of the most talented and respected producers in hip-hop, which has absolutely nothing to do with lyrics. To not even recognize his skills on the boards (fan or not), is ignorance. I seriously gotta question how much hip-hop you listen to, man.

Who really cares if I mispelled catalogue?

QuietStorm
May 20th, 2005, 6:58 PM
Do you act this ridiculous in person?

Stringer Bell
May 21st, 2005, 1:04 AM
I'm guessing that's directed towards me... how am I acting ridiculous? Everything I said is true..

What's everyone been bumping? I'm still stuck on Common's LP, the Gorillaz stuff is pretty damn chill too. Eagerly awaiting that Joe Budden.. he's gonna suprise a lot of people with The Growth.

Raekwon and Ghost are gonna tear shit up with Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II. MF Doom on some cuts? Oh shit :eek:

Seanny One Ball
May 21st, 2005, 5:49 AM
Obviously you didn't read my post very carfully.

Tim, Bubba, and co. are all HORRIBLE rappers.. there hasn't been impressive verse out of that whole camp, ever... calling them average is being nice.


Why do you keep telling me that as if it's something completely new and unheard of?
If you remember I have alkready told you how much I dislike them. Twice.



On the other hand, Tim's one of the most talented and respected producers in hip-hop, which has absolutely nothing to do with lyrics. To not even recognize his skills on the boards (fan or not), is ignorance. I seriously gotta question how much hip-hop you listen to, man.

Who really cares if I mispelled catalogue?


He may have made some impressive tunes I'm yet to hear, but as I already fucking said - I don't go out of my way to find out about him or listen to him.

Regardless of how hip hop you think I am, I can tell you're a fucking gimp just through how little attention you pay.

TapOut
May 21st, 2005, 6:32 AM
I'm not too sure what your taste of hip-hop is Seanny, but maybe try Aaliyah's "Try Again" or Missy Elliot's "Bussa Rhyme", which features Eminem and Timbaland. That's Timbaland at his best, so if you fail to like either or both of those songs, it's almost a given you won't like any of his stuff.

Seanny One Ball
May 21st, 2005, 9:21 AM
Try Again is alright - who produced that Aaliyah and DMX track though?
I forget the name but that beat was good, if Timb was responsible for that then fair play.

I'd rather listen to good music and good vocals though, to be honest.

Stringer Bell
May 21st, 2005, 12:53 PM
Tim at his illest..

Ludacris - The Potion
Timbaland and Magoo - Cop That Shit
Mostly all Genuwine shit, especially his debut
Justin Timberlake - Cry Me a River (don't front, Tim killed it)

so many more, those are just some of my favorites lately..

TapOut
May 21st, 2005, 6:23 PM
I think the song with Aaliyah and DMX is called "Come Back In One Piece" and it indeed was produced by Timbaland, but I think Aaliyah aided in the production.

Also, how could I forget? If you like a beat AND singing, definitely listen to "Same Ol' G" by Ginuwine.. awesome laid back beat with Ginuwine and Tim singing why fame and money hasn't changed them.

Also, he produced Jay-Z's "Big Pimpin", need I say more?

Simon
May 21st, 2005, 6:41 PM
Same Ol' G was so laid back it fell off it's chair...love it.

Timbaland has some astonishing tracks under his belt. Are You That Somebody is quality. We Need A Resolution.

Seanny One Ball
May 22nd, 2005, 1:56 PM
I didn't realise he was responsible for Big Pimpin'.
That's one to be proud of.

I don't listen to Ginuwine though, and I'm certainly not downloading any Magoo shite.

Stringer Bell
May 22nd, 2005, 2:22 PM
The only upside to the albums with Magoo are the beats, but I assure you Seanny that a few of the beats would catch you right away, especially if you liked "Big Pimpin'".

jesus sucks
May 22nd, 2005, 7:09 PM
timbaland at his best is the best out there probably. but half his stuff is reasonably average, you gotta find the monster beats :yes:


another good timbaland song. "hey papi". Jay Z. ridiculous.

TapOut
May 22nd, 2005, 7:45 PM
I don't necessarily care for Petey Pablo, but "I" and "Raise Up" both have massive sick beats. Those are insane.

Some more notable mentions:

"Feel It"
"I Get It On"
"Final Warning" by Ginuwine
"Roll Out" by Ludacris
"All N My Grill" by Missy Elliot
"Nigga What, Nigga Who" by Jay-Z
"Headsprung" by LL Cool J
Up Jumps The Boogie

Kris P. Lettus
May 22nd, 2005, 8:15 PM
"Call Me" By Cee lo

Seanny One Ball
May 23rd, 2005, 8:14 AM
"Headsprung" by LL Cool J




:lol:


If that was the song I think it is then you'd better be a complete LL mark as well as a Timb mark...

TapOut
May 23rd, 2005, 12:12 PM
:lol:


If that was the song I think it is then you'd better be a complete LL mark as well as a Timb mark...

Either that or you personally just don't care for the song. That song got plenty of play in the clubs and it was one of his better songs in the last 10 years.

Seanny One Ball
May 23rd, 2005, 2:22 PM
I wish someone would tell LL that he fell off so he could finally fuck off.

Benzino
May 23rd, 2005, 2:49 PM
I know that most people slept on Bubba Sparxxx's album, but the beat on "Deliverance" was just so perfect for teh song. Not the traditional club banger beat by Timmy, but quality nonetheless

Seanny One Ball
May 23rd, 2005, 3:48 PM
Even Bubba slept on his album man

TapOut
May 23rd, 2005, 4:26 PM
Yeah, LL is definitely past his time, almost 20 years, in fact, but the only thing I can think of is that someone is still buying his albums, because he refuses to leave. I don't really like him anymore, but I did find Headsprung enjoyable.

Same thing with Bubba. I thought Deliverance was good. I haven't heard any of the other tracks from his album. Dark Days Bright Nights was shit, so I didn't care for that one either. But hey, at least he had a respectable single.

QuietStorm
May 25th, 2005, 4:57 AM
New Ras Kass, a Sole track, and the new Classified album.


Ras Kass - The Seance (http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1IFIHQE7WJ8NU09IV5NMKCAXQW)

Sole - Teepee on a Highway Blues (http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0HUQG0IUAR8BX3UW2NFX161SNY)

Classified - Boycott in the Industry (http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2GKWMHOEHK1840JHUGBG85VV3K)

Fro
May 25th, 2005, 3:22 PM
Picked up that new Common album, its dope as shit. I wouldn't call it a classic cuz its only 11 tracks and the Kanye beats get a little redundant, but its still one of his best works to date (close behind Like Water and Resurrection). That track "Testify" is my shit. I been blastin it all day. Cop this, I don't think any Common fan will be dissapointed.

QuietStorm
May 26th, 2005, 3:25 AM
One.Be.Lo's S.O.N.O.G.R.A.M is great. Some might know him as One Man Army, formerly of Binary Star. The new album contains 22 tracks, which makes it twice as good as Common's.

Stringer Bell
May 28th, 2005, 9:33 PM
Quiet.. The One.Be.Lo shit is dope, but iller than BE?

LL's past his prime, sure.. but he's a certified legend. He doesn't have a single thing to prove.

Seanny One Ball
May 29th, 2005, 9:16 AM
He should prove he knows when to stop so that he can salvage a little tiny bit of credibility.

Stringer Bell
May 29th, 2005, 11:01 AM
He should prove he knows when to stop so that he can salvage a little tiny bit of credibility.

Hey, if he wants to make catchy party joints and corny love songs, who's to say he can't? He's got the longevity factor locked, moreso than just about anyone else in the game. He's been doing it so long, he doesn't have to prove anything... he can get away with fun records. Don't front on some old LL..

Saying LL has a "little tiny bit of credibility" is insane. Peep "Jack The Ripper", son..

Stringer Bell
May 29th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Quiet.. how you like that Sway and Tech album? Some dope from Royce, Chino, Canibus, Common, Crooked I, etc..

Kris P. Lettus
May 29th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Which one??

I used to have Volum 4 but don't know what happened to it..

Phingaprint (David Banner's DJ) put me on it when he used to work at the record store in Jacktown..

:cool:

TapOut
May 30th, 2005, 12:14 AM
Where the hell has FunkMaster Flex been? Besides that silly ass tv show. I bought 60 Minutes of Funk: The Mixtape back in 2001... that album was off the chain. Where the hell is he?

Dan The Man
May 30th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Hot 97.

Stringer Bell
May 30th, 2005, 10:06 AM
Funk has 3 other 60 Minutes you should check out.. and like Dan said, he's a full-time DJ on Hot 97

Kris, it's Sway and Tech - Back 2 Basics

The Champagne
May 30th, 2005, 10:57 AM
^^ Yeah, Crooked I has some very dope tracks on there...

QuietStorm
May 30th, 2005, 4:28 PM
I haven't heard it all, but I have listened to everything Chino is on. All of his verses are great, which makes me sad to hear that even under Sway & Tech's direction Poison Pen is still getting pushed back AGAIN to the first quarter of 2006. I probably will be dead by the time it actually gets leaked.

Stringer Bell
May 30th, 2005, 6:23 PM
No doubt.. Chino came nice on every track, but that's what we've come to expect. How did his acting role on that soap turn out, I never heard much about it :D

"Enough Beef" and "I Wish U Would" are both bananas... and I'm all over that DJ Revolution track for some reason, just dope ass mixing..

Stringer Bell
June 1st, 2005, 9:47 PM
Anyone else hyped as fuck for Raekwon and Ghost's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II? I'm a die-hard Wu fan, and the original is probably my favorite disc in the entire Wu catalog. With production from RZA (obviously), MF Doom, and some other unnamed cats I'm guessing.. we could have the album of the year. Let's hope they don't tarnish the reputation they built with the first one.. if it's not gonna be that classic shit, then call it something else...

spanish announce table
June 2nd, 2005, 10:38 AM
I bought Pretty Toney this week, and though its very good, every beat sounds like Rae should be on it. I dont think Ghost will let OB4CL2 fail, and Rae's latest stuff has been damn good (Baggage Handlers, Guerilla Shit). It comes down to production, because thats where Immobilarity & Lex Diamond Story were kind of weak. As long as RZA, True Master, Mathematics & 4th Disciple are there, it should be good. They have to get all the Clan on it as well.

Did anyone get Mathematics album "The Problem"? The whole Wu (including Ol Dirty) is on it. Sean P's "Monkey Barz" dropped Tuesday as well.

Sheik Mohammed al-Dub
June 2nd, 2005, 11:18 AM
My post that was deleted was a serious one.

Stringer Bell
June 2nd, 2005, 1:07 PM
Pretty Toney's dope man... one of 2004's best hip-hop releases, if not the best in my eyes. "Holla" is still my jam..

Yea, Immobilarity was such a wack follow-up to OB4CL..

How's that Mathematics, have you heard it?

spanish announce table
June 2nd, 2005, 9:47 PM
Immobilarity wasnt that bad, it just should have been shorter.

Yae Yo
Real Life
100 Rounds
Casablanca
Friday
The Table
Jury
Fuck Them
Friday
My Favorite Dred
Sneakers
Forecast

That should have been the final tracklist.

I havent heard any of Allah Math's album, but it got a good score on rapreviews.com.

Have you heard the Theodore Unit album? Trife's verse on Biscuits wasn't anything special, so I dont know how the rest of them sound.

What the fuck is this chocolate shit?

Stringer Bell
June 2nd, 2005, 9:52 PM
I just think Immobilarity was really disappointing in comparison to OB4CL. By the time Lex Diamond rolled around, I knew I couldn't expect another Cuban Linx, so it wasn't as much of a let-down. That tracklist is pretty much on point.

I have the Theodore Unit album, I can send it to you on AIM if you want.. I'm StringerBeli

Trife comes off as very generic, but he's alright..

TapOut
June 2nd, 2005, 11:11 PM
Anyone heard that Fat Joe track dissing 50? Hilarious, truthful, brilliant. Catchy too.

"Curtis, Curtis Jackson. How come he can never ever be seen?"
It's gonna be families grieving every sunday service
End up with your head popped off thanks to Curtis
But he dont care, he's still locked up in his house and shit
Steroid up and he wont come about that bitch
Is it me or does candy shop sound like magic stick?
In the video, this nigga fifty bout to strip
Shaking his ass, what the fuck is wrong with this nigga
Fifty don't make me
Oh yeah, you got sixty-five niggaz on your team
And they're not from Southside Jamaica, Queens
They're the boys in blue, and I'm just speaking the truth
Yeah we all see the bitch in you
Follow me

QuietStorm
June 2nd, 2005, 11:32 PM
Yeah, that is kind of pathetic.

TapOut
June 2nd, 2005, 11:34 PM
Yeah, that is kind of pathetic.

50, Crack, or both?

Either way, the song's a cut-up.

Stringer Bell
June 3rd, 2005, 12:16 AM
Well, you can't say all of that's the truth, cause some of that the general public wouldn't know the first thing about.

The Fat Joe diss is alright... but Jada's diss over the 50 "I'm An Animal" was much better, you heard that? Straight murder..

jesus sucks
June 3rd, 2005, 9:03 AM
i got the new Common (kanye west produced) album today. seems really good from 1 quick listen, can tell it'll be a grower.

Stringer Bell
June 3rd, 2005, 11:32 AM
Well, Kanye only produced about half of it, with Jay Dee on the other half..

It's great if you ask me, 2005's best album yet.

After 8,000 posts.. haven't you learned to not post your sig with such a short response? :p

QuietStorm
June 3rd, 2005, 3:35 PM
New Ras Kass....

No Love (http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1BU3GSZSJFLSN1V6VYACL1LG64)

Kris P. Lettus
June 3rd, 2005, 6:48 PM
Got Mathmatics' cd..

Went to get that newest Liks cd and MOP Warriorz but they didn't have either..

:irked:

jesus sucks
June 3rd, 2005, 9:08 PM
Well, Kanye only produced about half of it, with Jay Dee on the other half..



ner, 9 out of 11 songs produced by kanye west. and yes i agree it is great, got it on my sony player up loud now. executive producer aswell.


After 8,000 posts.. haven't you learned to not post your sig with such a short response? :p

i am sorry your majesty.

Seanny One Ball
June 4th, 2005, 6:27 AM
The Fat Joe diss is alright... but Jada's diss over the 50 "I'm An Animal" was much better, you heard that? Straight murder..


Fat Joe's was pathetically bad and the only thing that sticks is the Magic Stick/Candy Shop comparison all the rest is just insults interspersed with the word "nigga" tbh.

You're absolutely right about Jada's record though, he taked 50 down with that one.

Didn't even know Jada could battle.

TapOut
June 4th, 2005, 7:14 AM
Fat Joe's was pathetically bad and the only thing that sticks is the Magic Stick/Candy Shop comparison all the rest is just insults interspersed with the word "nigga" tbh.



I disagree. I like the part where he talked about all of them rushing the stage at the vibe awards and not doing shit. Not to mention, it was rather funny dissed the Candy Shop video, imo. And hanging with the boys in blue and staying locked up in his house all the time. Just a matter of taste I guess, but everyone I know thought the Fat Joe diss was pretty good.

Seanny One Ball
June 4th, 2005, 7:28 AM
Yeah but Joe is hardly a gangster type rapper, he comes off worse than 50 does with that shit.

Battle raps are supposed to cut deep like when Jada said "I rap my ass off fighting a champ with a glass jaw" or "See me couple hood niggaz behind stars, I heard you put a couple good niggaz behind bars"

Best line was "pitch with Kiss and I'll come out swingin it's like going to see 50 at a show and he gon' come out singin"

It's just a much better diss song - he even gets in a line that rips 50 about the shot 9 times thing "since when was it cool to get shot at and not shoot back"
Then he starts comparing his new cd to a weed plate,
just something to break up buds on...

Jada owned 50 and Joe in 2minutes 30 and he wasn't even mad he felt marvellous.

spanish announce table
June 4th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Prodigal Sunn featuring CCF Division (Shacronz & Free Murda) - Brutality (Grindz)

Produced by RZA

http://media.chambermusik.com/prodigalsunn-brutality.mp3

THE jANK
June 5th, 2005, 6:44 PM
Yeah but Joe is hardly a gangster type rapper, he comes off worse than 50 does with that shit.

Battle raps are supposed to cut deep like when Jada said "I rap my ass off fighting a champ with a glass jaw" or "See me couple hood niggaz behind stars, I heard you put a couple good niggaz behind bars"

Best line was "pitch with Kiss and I'll come out swingin it's like going to see 50 at a show and he gon' come out singin"

It's just a much better diss song - he even gets in a line that rips 50 about the shot 9 times thing "since when was it cool to get shot at and not shoot back"
Then he starts comparing his new cd to a weed plate,
just something to break up buds on...

Jada owned 50 and Joe in 2minutes 30 and he wasn't even mad he felt marvellous.

Yer lyrically, there is no contest becasue Jada is jada and joe is joe. Jada flow's effortlessly and that was like a warm-up for him. I guess he's saving the real fire for Style P's shit. That being said, I like Joe's better cuz of the beat and it being a more complete song. Also, Joe has mad real cred in New York so doesn't have to battle on record.

Good lookin on the Ras Kass QS. I'll probably have to wait a lifetime for a golden state warriors album.

TapOut
June 5th, 2005, 6:51 PM
I thought when Joe released that 50 Diss it was just an underground release to get play across the country. You know, to get publicity and his word out there. But on his upcoming album, there's a song called My Fo Fo being listed, and I'm assuming that's the diss. Kinda crazy he's releasing such an obvious verbal assault on a commercial album. Usually, diss songs that appear on albums are usually watered down or kind of have hidden messages. I'm actually looking foward to this album, even though So Much More is absolute shit.

It kills me becuase Joe can come out with some (at least in my opinion) pretty good songs, but his first singles usually suck.

I'm also digging that "New York" with The Game, Fat Joe and Jada. I like that version better than the Ja Rule version, and that one wasn't bad. Both are pretty similar with the exception of The Game replacing Ja, but the alternate version is a little longer.

THE jANK
June 5th, 2005, 6:53 PM
Also, what does everyone think about having a freestyle tournament? I mean a real one with no bullshitters just some creativity, dope rhymes and punchlines. I'll be one judge and we'll need two others. Judges can't enter. :( We'll need eight entrants minimum, two rounds per battle until the finals which will be three rounds.

C'mon, I know some of you suckas flow. Who's rajah's illest?

Simon
June 5th, 2005, 7:09 PM
I'd do it. Bit of a laugh like.

THE jANK
June 5th, 2005, 8:03 PM
Indeed. Should be a good laugh if everyone gets in the spirit.

High freestyle to get in the spirit?


*this is how we do beat*

HB2K5
you're like a new wave guy
with your cool fade and your blue-grey tie
you up in here equals a finish of five
er make that fifth, son take that shit
I make phat riffs but don't need a guitar
I'm weeded at the bar, launch a barrage
head nigga in charge of all that is yours
grab yer freak's ass while i tap it on the floor


hehe

QuietStorm
June 5th, 2005, 8:06 PM
I'll give 16 bars of death.


I'm not a writer, I'm a biter....

THE jANK
June 5th, 2005, 8:08 PM
So are you in or what?


So far?

HB2K5
Quietstorm

Seeding will be random.

Seanny One Ball
June 6th, 2005, 5:12 AM
I'm in.

Tom Bombadil
June 6th, 2005, 6:55 AM
I would do it, but my skills are weak, and flow like shit. :(

Seanny One Ball
June 6th, 2005, 9:56 AM
I've delivered quality punchlines in the past, I will win this tournament.

Stringer Bell
June 6th, 2005, 10:56 AM
I'm in for sure, but we should make a new thread for it... save this thread for other discussion

Tap.. check out Jada's diss, you'll see why we think Fat Joe's is so weak in comparison. I think you'll be able to find it titled "Checkmate". The problem with Joe is he's really inconsistent. Yeah, that Roy Jones line in "New York" was tight, but how often do we hear something like that from him? That new shit out with Nelly right now is ass minus the Storch beat.

Here's some shit, just messin' around.. 10:50 in the mornin, pounding headache.. but I just wanted to throw some shit down for fun. Let's make a thread for that tourney.

Ayo jank, where the fuck you yank that flow from?
Oh, I know son, that hoe from that Diddy show son
You don't wanna flow dunn, my bars is harder than jail cells
And you don't wanna throw son, my arms is bigger than whale's tails
I'm from Virginia, where it's only winners, we don't lose
We say FUCK spinners, FUCK dubs, and FUCK twenty-two's
I'm in a class of my own, at times I become foul
You live in your parents home, with the mind of a young child
Don't bring your beef to me or even try to spark some leaf with me
Cause frequently, I be layin' out MC's who speak to me with no decency

spanish announce table
June 6th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Count me in.

Stringer Bell
June 6th, 2005, 11:12 AM
ner, 9 out of 11 songs produced by kanye west. and yes i agree it is great, got it on my sony player up loud now. executive producer aswell.


Yeah, you're right, my apologies. "It's Your World" and "Love Is"... I keep thinking the CD's longer than eleven tracks. Isn't "Be" co-produced by both of them? And even though Jay Dee's name may only be on the credits for two or three tracks, it's my understanding he played a big role in the album. That's Com's man.

Seanny One Ball
June 6th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Ayo jank, where the fuck you yank that flow from?
Oh, I know son, that hoe from that Diddy show son
You don't wanna flow dunn, my bars is harder than jail cells
And you don't wanna throw son, my arms is bigger than whale's tails
I'm from Virginia, where it's only winners, we don't lose
We say FUCK spinners, FUCK dubs, and FUCK twenty-two's
I'm in a class of my own, at times I become foul
You live in your parents home, with the mind of a young child
Don't bring your beef to me or even try to spark some leaf with me
Cause frequently, I be layin' out MC's who speak to me with no decency



I'm stoned as fuck so I'm gonna lay one down too.

Yo I step up to the mic and smack the face of BuckMarley,
I smack him extra hard cuz I'm the type that rocks the party,
Lets get it started,
Black eyed pleads when I skin your knees,
People walking round with torn shirts and ripped jeans,
I'm the type that wants an audience when I make a victim bleed,
Insinuating metaphors and fucked up fantasies,
It's final, no more Buck - Marley's my idol,
If my sword was a book then I'd stab you with the title,
No more gats man I fuck with air rifles,
Don't look me in the face because I'll perforate your eyeballs,
I'll bury you in the beach cuz you've got sand in your vagina,
lyrically torn a new one by the pantomiming rhymer,
Seanny Fontaine kills another one....

THE jANK
June 6th, 2005, 2:01 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Good lookin out on the participation fellas. This should be pretty fun. So far we have:

HB2K5
Quietstorm
Seanny One Ball
BuckMarley
spanish announce table

Ok, a few days for a couple of more.

Also, it would be a good idea to keep it in this thread because I think a new thread would attract idiots

PS: save your best shit :D

Kris P. Lettus
June 6th, 2005, 2:03 PM
I'll judge..

THE jANK
June 6th, 2005, 2:08 PM
This aint a Aria pussy eating contest Krispy...

Cool, we be judgin.

Smell It?
June 6th, 2005, 2:27 PM
I'll be in.

jANK, he ai'nt no motherfuckin MC
I know all the shit hes got to say against me
I am white, I am a fucking bum
I do live in a trailor with my mum.

Tom Bombadil
June 6th, 2005, 3:07 PM
This aint a Aria pussy eating contest Krispy...

Cool, we be judgin.

:drool: Now i would enter that....... :D

Oh er yeah carry on, my skills are are crap like the mad cow disease. :(

THE jANK
June 6th, 2005, 4:52 PM
Ayo jank, where the fuck you yank that flow from?
Oh, I know son, that hoe from that Diddy show son
You don't wanna flow dunn, my bars is harder than jail cells
And you don't wanna throw son, my arms is bigger than whale's tails
I'm from Virginia, where it's only winners, we don't lose
We say FUCK spinners, FUCK dubs, and FUCK twenty-two's
I'm in a class of my own, at times I become foul
You live in your parents home, with the mind of a young child
Don't bring your beef to me or even try to spark some leaf with me
Cause frequently, I be layin' out MC's who speak to me with no decency

Yus

Last flow, judges battle not.


My flows yanked? ner this aint your mothers hair
there goes jank spankin another competitor
buck marley marley buck you've always sucked
cornier than young buck starring in moonstruck
I hulk up and cut up a dozen mutha fuckas
stuck yer mutha no rubber yo little brother cometh
rain thunder there is no other that can hang with me
drive hummer range rover diablo lamborghini
crushin anyone billy gun spits words between my teeth
last flow I stole the show bow down and clean my feet

THE jANK
June 6th, 2005, 4:57 PM
:drool: Now i would enter that....... :D

Oh er yeah carry on, my skills are are crap like the mad cow disease. :(

You'd definitley lose that contest to me and Krispy.

http://www.billsuniverse.com/lady_of_the_week/Aria_Giovanni5.jpg



So now we have:

HB2K5
Quietstorm
Seanny One Ball
BuckMarley
spanish announce table
Smell It?

two more...

THE jANK
June 6th, 2005, 5:01 PM
jANK, he ai'nt no motherfuckin MC
I know all the shit hes got to say against me
I am white, I am a fucking bum
I do live in a trailor with my mum.

OK I lied last one...

Ayo Smell It you don't deserve a couplet
I'll keep it terse and say you're the worse
sucka that I've ever thunk to fucked with

:D

Tom Bombadil
June 7th, 2005, 4:29 AM
You'd definitley lose that contest to me and Krispy.

http://www.billsuniverse.com/lady_of_the_week/Aria_Giovanni5.jpg




:nono: I'd ravage that...Like i haven't eaten all my life...I'd imagine myself as an african having my first dinner. :D

THE jANK
June 8th, 2005, 7:33 PM
Entries close on Friday June 10th 11:59 PM.

Get in where you fit in.

residue
June 10th, 2005, 1:47 PM
It's what life is all about :yesyes:

Raw Is Jonathan
June 11th, 2005, 4:52 PM
Mathematics worth getting?

Anything good come out lately?

TapOut
June 11th, 2005, 7:11 PM
Anything good come out lately?

Common's "Be"

The Food and The Corner are top-notch tracks.

Chris Scott
June 11th, 2005, 7:17 PM
I finally got hold off Nas: The Lost Tapes for a cheap price £5.98 to be exact. Anyway it's good but thought it might of have been better as my mates said it was really great. All i need for my Nas collection is: Nastradamus and It Was Written.

By the way any news of a UK release for Canibus new album?

Kris P. Lettus
June 11th, 2005, 7:25 PM
Mathematics worth getting?

Anything good come out lately?

Decent..

Still have yet to give it a thorough listen..

Alot of rehashed and oversampled shit from what I've heard..

It's aiight but it's not near the best shit out..

QuietStorm
June 11th, 2005, 7:52 PM
By the way any news of a UK release for Canibus new album?
The new album will be Hip Hop For Sale, released on Babygrande. It is coming out at the end of July as of now.

Mind Control is being released on Gladiator/Tommy Boy on June 21, but at least 10 of the 11 tracks have already been released and are only going have production improvements. It looks like it is just a contract fulfillment and an attempt to get a new buzz going. Rumor is the Source gave it 1.5 mics. Hahaha.

My Control is a splendid mainstream appeal track though. They should have made a video for that instead of Talk the Talk, which will probably never get made anyhow.

Stringer Bell
June 14th, 2005, 9:42 PM
I finally got hold off Nas: The Lost Tapes for a cheap price £5.98 to be exact. Anyway it's good but thought it might of have been better as my mates said it was really great. All i need for my Nas collection is: Nastradamus and It Was Written.

By the way any news of a UK release for Canibus new album?

I'd pass on Nastradamus if I were you, it's trash. Download and burn it if you must.

It Was Written, on the other hand... you should own that already.

THE jANK
June 16th, 2005, 2:10 PM
Is everyone still down for the Rajah Freestyle Challenge? Should we make a new thread? Sorry, been busy the past week but this will be aewsome.

Discuss.

Tom Bombadil
June 17th, 2005, 6:52 AM
I think a new thread should be made :yes:

jesus sucks
June 17th, 2005, 7:47 AM
it was written has aged quite badly. it's really "1996". and not in the good way.

loved it at the time though.

Tom Bombadil
June 17th, 2005, 8:51 AM
Still got some classics on there though.

I don't mind old school music...takes you back.

Moz
June 17th, 2005, 8:13 PM
I'm liking 'Diamonds'. Really looking forward to the album

TapOut
June 17th, 2005, 9:50 PM
I'm liking 'Diamonds'. Really looking forward to the album

I hate it.

It lacks the catchy hooks/verses from his singles off College Dropout. I was really dissapointed.

I'm still looking foward to the album though.

What's everyone's opinion on Guerilla Black. On one hand, I think he's pretty good, but on the other, he freaks me the hell out. He looks way too much like Biggie, and his voice is basically identical. I just feel like I enjoy him because I enjoy Biggie.

It's eerie, really.

Seanny One Ball
June 18th, 2005, 10:28 AM
I think Diamonds is shit hot, many of my non-rap listening friends have told me they like that track :beer:

jesus sucks
June 18th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Still got some classics on there though.

I don't mind old school music...takes you back.

wouldn't exatly call a song from 1996 old school.


know what you're saying though.

but that is really gimmicky. alot of albums like it was written came out back then, i wouldn't say it was written is one of the better ones either.

Stringer Bell
June 19th, 2005, 9:45 PM
I hate it.

It lacks the catchy hooks/verses from his singles off College Dropout. I was really dissapointed.

I'm still looking foward to the album though.

What's everyone's opinion on Guerilla Black. On one hand, I think he's pretty good, but on the other, he freaks me the hell out. He looks way too much like Biggie, and his voice is basically identical. I just feel like I enjoy him because I enjoy Biggie.

It's eerie, really.


Catchy hooks and verses? I don't know about you, but the hook is pretty damn catchy to me. Kanye stepped his game up on that single, and really came impressive lyrically. I don't know what catchy lyrics you were looking for, but they're of better quality than most stuff on College Droupout. Plus, addressing all his critics and naysayers on his first single? Balls.

Guerilla Black is horrible, and is nothing like Biggie minus the look and voice. The difference is Biggie had lyrical skills, while is severely lacking with Black and makes all the difference. You might confuse them at first listen, but paying some attention will make it clear who's who. But yeah, Black is all gimmick and was exposed months ago, since then he seems to have completely fallen off. People found an older album of his where he rapped in an entirely different voice/style, more similar to DMX or even Mystikal at times. He's more gimmicky than the Battle Royal at WM17.

Stringer Bell
June 19th, 2005, 9:49 PM
wouldn't exatly call a song from 1996 old school.


know what you're saying though.

but that is really gimmicky. alot of albums like it was written came out back then, i wouldn't say it was written is one of the better ones either.

What exactly do you mean? The whole mafiaso persona? Yeah, it had been done before and done better, and Nas was basically ripping off the popular style in rap at the time.. but that's not to say it was a weak album. Lyrically, he hardly lost his touch. It Was Written gets a lot of flack because it was the follow-up to one of rap's finest recordings ever, Illmatic. The perfect hip-hop CD. My point being, yeah.. IWW was no Illmatic, but don't deny its hotness. Nas didn't really fall off til Nastradamus in my mind, and he recovered from that nicely..

TapOut
June 19th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Catchy hooks and verses? I don't know about you, but the hook is pretty damn catchy to me. Kanye stepped his game up on that single, and really came impressive lyrically. I don't know what catchy lyrics you were looking for, but they're of better quality than most stuff on College Droupout. Plus, addressing all his critics and naysayers on his first single? Balls.




Most of the hardcore hip-hop heads I know don't like the song either. I told them I had Kanye's new single and of course, they were anxious to hear it. I played it, and they're pretty much like "What the fuck was Kanye thinking?"

To me, this just sounds cheap, generic and unpolished. Sounds like filler material to me. The only thing that "catches" me about the song is the blatant rip-off from Outkast's "Ms. Jackson".

Stringer Bell
June 20th, 2005, 9:52 AM
Most of the hardcore hip-hop heads I know don't like the song either. I told them I had Kanye's new single and of course, they were anxious to hear it. I played it, and they're pretty much like "What the fuck was Kanye thinking?"

To me, this just sounds cheap, generic and unpolished. Sounds like filler material to me. The only thing that "catches" me about the song is the blatant rip-off from Outkast's "Ms. Jackson".

Hardcore hip-hop heads? Kanye isn't exactly the most respected amongst real hip-hop heads, a lot of people hate on him and his ego.. his production is the only thing that's really consistently praised.

Lyrically, it's unquestionably some of his best stuff. Focused, well-written.. much better than some of the stuff on C.D., or guest appearances (how about that dumbass astrology/Uranus line from Jada's song?)

I just don't know where you're coming from... at all. Cheap, generic, and unpolished? Kanye used a beautiful Shirley Bassey sample over a hard-hitting and energetic beat... to me, it sounds like the exact opposite of cheap, generic, and unpolished.

Yeah, that "forever-ever?" thing is dumb.. but like you said, it's blatant. It's not like he's trying to pass it off as his own.

But... whatever floats your boat :)

Simon
June 20th, 2005, 9:55 AM
That song is garbage. Every track on College Dropout is better, even Through ?The Wire which was crap.

Stringer Bell
June 20th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Nah.. Kanye's stepped his flow up a hell of a lot, who can't see that? Some of that stuff on College Droupout was ridiculously bad, being completely off-beat with his flow and going off on random tangents on almost every track... Now, stuff like "Two Words" and "Never Let Me Down" blow "Diamonds" away.. but "Diamonds" is realer than all of CD's singles..


How anyone who likes Kanye can hate on "Diamonds" is beyond me.... you're telling me "The Workout Plan" is better? :rofl:

Simon
June 20th, 2005, 10:10 AM
Kanye's album wasn't about his flow, it was about production first, and humorous lyrics second. The production is unquestionable and the lyrics, while not earth-shatteringly brilliant, were great for what they were - simple, humorous lines talking about everyday life without taking anything too seriously. Flow isn't everything. Immortal Technique can't flow for shit but that doesn't stop him being the best rapper around nowadays.

The production on Diamonds is just dull. The Workout Plan, like the majority of College Dropout, was just catchy production and fun, jokey lyrics. If you're going to compare it to the most-respected artists then for sure it'll fall short, but there's no real comparison - by the same token you could say Illmatic or Ready To Die are shitty records if all you're looking for is catchy beats and a bit of funny lyricism.

The New Workout Plan was good for what it was, Diamonds tries to be something more and fails.

Stringer Bell
June 20th, 2005, 10:18 AM
:wtf: Rap is about your flow, among many other qualities, whether Kanye wanted to acknowledge that or not. The fact that Kanye makes all of his beats should work like hell in his favor, as he knows them in and out. Sadly, on C.D., that wasn't apparent at all. Some of the stuff on C.D. flowed so bad, it was laughable. Immortal's problem is he doesn't sound natural enough on tracks, while Kanye on C.D. was just all over the place, on his OWN beats!! On "Diamonds", he's clearly stepped his game up a lot...

Humorous lyrics? Actually, Kanye was praised most for his real and conscious lyrics, like on "Jesus Walks", "Through The Wire", "Two Words", "All Falls Down", etc. He brought real topics, real issues to the mainstream, and made being a conscious rapper "cool"... I don't know anyone who thought Kanye's album was about humorous lyrics.. sure, there were tracks like "Workout Plan", but the seriousness outweighs the humor.

If you want funny lyrics, listen to some gimmick joke rappers.. Kanye shines most when he gets serious.

You're saying Ready To Die and Illmatic didn't have catchy beats? Those are two of the best produced hip-hop albums, ever...

Simon
June 20th, 2005, 10:45 AM
:wtf: Rap is about your flow, among many other qualities, whether Kanye wanted to acknowledge that or not.No, that's what YOU think hip-hop is about. Many would disagree, and that's their right. Hip-hop is about different things for different people.
outweighs the humor.


If you want funny lyrics, listen to some gimmick joke rappers.. Kanye shines most when he gets serious.More arrogance to suggest that your opinion of what hip-hop is means that funny lyrics are for gimmick rappers. Ludacris? Eminem? Redman?


You're saying Ready To Die and Illmatic didn't have catchy beats? Those are two of the best produced hip-hop albums, ever...No doubt they are good, that's not being doubted, but they aren't infectious and catchy the way commercially-intended tracks are. That's not a bad thing.

spanish announce table
June 20th, 2005, 2:12 PM
I picked up Gravediggaz "6 Feet Deep" last week. Dope album that nobody ever talks about. I havent heard a lot of De La Soul, but if Prince Paul is making beats for them like the ones on 6FD, I gotta check them out. Best song on here is probably 'Blood Brothers'.

TapOut
June 20th, 2005, 7:20 PM
Nah.. Kanye's stepped his flow up a hell of a lot, who can't see that? Some of that stuff on College Droupout was ridiculously bad, being completely off-beat with his flow and going off on random tangents on almost every track... Now, stuff like "Two Words" and "Never Let Me Down" blow "Diamonds" away.. but "Diamonds" is realer than all of CD's singles..


How anyone who likes Kanye can hate on "Diamonds" is beyond me.... you're telling me "The Workout Plan" is better? :rofl:

Personally, I agree with you about the lyrics on "Diamonds". They aren't bad. But to me, I care more about the beat, and I just wasn't feeling it on Diamonds.

Now, I don't necessarily like Workout Plan, but if I had to choose, I'd pick that over Diamonds.

I'd have to agree with Simon. I like pretty much every track on College Dropout better than Diamonds.

I understand where you're coming from though. There's been times I've thought a song was brilliant and can't figure out why anyone would diss it, but music (especially hip-hop) can mean so many different things to different people that disagreements are bound to happen.

Morrison
June 20th, 2005, 9:08 PM
I picked up Gravediggaz "6 Feet Deep" last week. Dope album that nobody ever talks about. I havent heard a lot of De La Soul, but if Prince Paul is making beats for them like the ones on 6FD, I gotta check them out. Best song on here is probably 'Blood Brothers'.
Heh, just bought the same album on Saturday night. It was highly recommended by a co-worker of mine. Listening to it in full right now. Loving it. Stand-out tracks so far are "Defective Trip" and "1-800-Suicide."

QS, you get Jus Allah's album yet?

QuietStorm
June 21st, 2005, 12:32 AM
QS, you get Jus Allah's album yet?
Not worth buying. It is borderline awful, mostly due to the production.

Morrison
June 21st, 2005, 12:50 AM
Really...

I've given a few of the songs a listen, and they don't seem too bad... Guess I'll have to give the whole thing a coouple listens.

QuietStorm
June 21st, 2005, 1:35 AM
Babygrande rushed it and left off Omnipotent tracks that should have certainly been on there. Funny how the old bonus tracks were better than almost anything else on there.


I heard the promo version of Cage's "Hell's Winter" album today. Gonna pick that one up in September for sure.

Bandit
June 21st, 2005, 1:46 AM
So I keep listening to Necro.

I've been introduced into other underground acts such as Mf Doom, Ghostface Killah(Only one song) and Aesop Rock, but nothing has really jumped out at me.

I think I may take another look at Ghostface, because what I heard with him was MF Doom feat. Ghostface.

Any recommendations?

Simon
June 22nd, 2005, 7:01 AM
I doubt you would like Ghostface, if you're into Necro style rappers. Go get Ill Bill, Necro's brother (half brother) who is twice as talented and twice as funny. His group, Non Phixion, are awesome too

Raw Is Jonathan
June 22nd, 2005, 2:55 PM
We need more album reviews in here to help out the ignorant (i.e. me)

Bandit
June 23rd, 2005, 5:11 PM
I'm currently listening to the album "Ironman" from Ghostface, and I'm loving it...

Any recommendations are welcome.

Simon: I've heard one song from Ill Bill, I'll definitely be checking out more in the near future.

CollegeGraduate
June 24th, 2005, 2:59 AM
Anyone Hear games 15 min diss at gunit/50cent?

QuietStorm
June 24th, 2005, 3:45 AM
I'm currently listening to the album "Ironman" from Ghostface, and I'm loving it...

Any recommendations are welcome.

Simon: I've heard one song from Ill Bill, I'll definitely be checking out more in the near future.
Cage. Movies For the Blind.

QuietStorm
June 24th, 2005, 3:46 AM
Anyone Hear games 15 min diss at gunit/50cent?
Yes.

jesus sucks
June 24th, 2005, 5:41 AM
diamonds- top tune. :yes:

spanish announce table
June 24th, 2005, 8:44 AM
I'm currently listening to the album "Ironman" from Ghostface, and I'm loving it...

Any recommendations are welcome.

Simon: I've heard one song from Ill Bill, I'll definitely be checking out more in the near future.

If you're digging Ironman, check out Supreme Clientele & The Pretty Toney Album. And Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, if you dont already have that.

'What's Wrong with Bill?' is Ill Bill's solo album that came out last year. Good stuff for the most part.

Simon
June 24th, 2005, 11:55 AM
I didn't like Pretty Toney. Bulletproof Wallets isn't too bad once you get over the fury at the track listing

TapOut
June 24th, 2005, 6:58 PM
Anyone Hear games 15 min diss at gunit/50cent?

No, but I saw Fat Joe crack up about it on Carson....

Carson asked him if 50 and Game were feuding again, and Joe said "Apparently...", and then just busted up laughing. Funny shit.

50 is fucking retarded. I'm all for the occasional spat, but 50 is just dogging everyone all the time. The Game is hot shit, I guess he can't take it. Retarded. I wonder how long it is before Ja, Game, Jada and Joe all show up on the same track together. New York was close, but I'm wating for an original song.

Stringer Bell
June 24th, 2005, 7:09 PM
Supreme Clientele is damn flawless, even better than Ironman. Definitely peep that. I've never heard of anyone liking Bulletproof over Pretty Toney, though. If you're liking Ghostface, you gotta check out Raekwon's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx like SAT recommended. One of the best rap CD's, ever, period. Then, move on to other Wu stuff.. be fore-warned though, their earlier stuff (94-96) is where the true quality is.

Game has been unloading all sorts of shit on 50, even a full length mixtape of disses. 50 hasn't said shit since the initial incident, so he's not exactly the aggressor in this situation. They're both shitty though, so who cares?

As for Joe... I was very disappointed in his album. "Safe 2 Say" is so damn good, but everything else is watered down garbage.

TapOut
June 24th, 2005, 9:21 PM
Game has been unloading all sorts of shit on 50, even a full length mixtape of disses. 50 hasn't said shit since the initial incident, so he's not exactly the aggressor in this situation. They're both shitty though, so who cares?

As for Joe... I was very disappointed in his album. "Safe 2 Say" is so damn good, but everything else is watered down garbage.

The Game's "Dreams" is probably on par with just about anything you can possibly imagine. Shitty? No way. Overated sometimes? Maybe.

Stringer Bell
June 25th, 2005, 12:10 AM
The Game's "Dreams" is probably on par with just about anything you can possibly imagine. Shitty? No way. Overated sometimes? Maybe.

Are you fucking kidding me? "Dreams" is a damn good song.. but on par with anything I can possibly imagine? He had some good lines on there, and it's deep... but good god, that kind of statement is ridiculous. You really don't think hip-hop can get better than that? :eek:

The Game is just not a great MC. Maybe shitty wasn't the word, but he's nothing special at all. He relies heavily on his production. "Dreams" wouldn't have been half as good without that insane Kanye beat.

However, I'm digging the remixed version of "Never Be Friends" blended with Aerosmith's "Dream On". Deep shit...

jesus sucks
June 25th, 2005, 9:20 AM
only built 4 cuban linx is amazing, it's my favourite album ever.

supreme clientele is great too, when it came out everyone was saying wu tang are back and i agreed. remember picking it up the 1st day of sale. was just a flash in the pan in the end because it's been almost 6 years and they haven't released another good cd. but that was a classic. kanye west based his style on it.

TapOut
June 25th, 2005, 10:48 AM
Are you fucking kidding me? "Dreams" is a damn good song.. but on par with anything I can possibly imagine? He had some good lines on there, and it's deep... but good god, that kind of statement is ridiculous. You really don't think hip-hop can get better than that? :eek:

The Game is just not a great MC. Maybe shitty wasn't the word, but he's nothing special at all. He relies heavily on his production. "Dreams" wouldn't have been half as good without that insane Kanye beat.

However, I'm digging the remixed version of "Never Be Friends" blended with Aerosmith's "Dream On". Deep shit...

I never said Game was a great MC or one of the best rappers ever. I was just crediting the song "Dreams". It's one of the best rap songs I've ever heard. Trust me, I've listened to plenty of hip-hop for a long time, and that song, in my book, ranks right up there with some of my other favorites of all time.

You seem to occasionally think that not everyone has your style of tastes. I guess I should have said that "Dreams" is on par with anything I can come up with instead of genralizing the statement.

But to answer your question, no, I don't think hip-hop gets any better than that. As I said, I've listened to a lot of hip-hop over the years (I've listened to blaring hip-hop in the middle of the night while I'm trying to get sleep for school. I've spent hours riding in 500 dollar chevys with 2,000 dollar sound systems with all types of rap blaring out. Simply put, you could say "you don't think hip-hop gets any better than that?" about ANY song.

We all have different tastes, and "Dreams" just had all the ingredients that I like about hip-hop. A sample from an old-school jam, awesome beat, and some fairly deep lyrics. Maybe you think hip-hop gets better, but I don't. To say that "Dreams" wouldn't have been half as good without Kanye is kinda beyond the point because..... well, Kanye DID do the beat and it turned out great. That's like saying Tupac wouldn't have been half as good if he didn't rap about real issues. He did, so it doesn't matter.

Anyways, I fucking love that song and it ranks right up there with some of my favorites of all time.

Stringer Bell
June 25th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Well, that's you. I guarentee you, if you researched hip-hop a little more, you'd change your mind. Is it supposed to be impressive that rap has woken you up at night, or that you've heard it out of nice stereos? I really don't understand that statement.

Saying "Dreams" wouldn't have been half as good without Kanye has everything to do with my point, actually. Game relies on production, and The Documentary wouldn't have been shit without guys like Dre, Storch, Kanye, and Just Blaze. Just look at Game's material before signing with Aftermath, there's nothing redeeming about it.

Jesus.. definitely. Kanye even admitted to ripping off Supreme Clientele. They definitely haven't reached that pinnacle since, but they've put out some good stuff..

Tap, that'd be a great starting point... Ghost's Supreme Clientele.

Stringer Bell
June 25th, 2005, 12:53 PM
New Kanye material out... "About an Angel" and "Gold Digger". Personally, I think "Diamonds" is still the best song from the new LP leaked so far. Although, Tap, "Gold Digger" might be more of the stuff you were looking for.. more fun and upbeat than "Diamonds".

Kris P. Lettus
June 25th, 2005, 1:01 PM
There's a Brother Lynch Hung double disk "best of" thing, I'm prolly gonna pick up today..

Just letting yall know..

TapOut
June 25th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Well, that's you. I guarentee you, if you researched hip-hop a little more, you'd change your mind. Is it supposed to be impressive that rap has woken you up at night, or that you've heard it out of nice stereos? I really don't understand that statement.

I don't want to research hip-hop. My point about being woke up at night by rap and listening to it in cheap cars was that I've heard A LOT of rap over the years. I'm talking A LOT. I may not gobble up mixtapes and underground material, but I have heard a lot of rap (and own it as well). Researching isn't necessary. I've heard thousands of songs, I continue to listen to thousands of songs, and "Dreams" is fucking quality. In my eyes, it's about as good as a rap song gets. That's all. Like you said, it's just me. But that's what I meant about being woke up and stuff....


Saying "Dreams" wouldn't have been half as good without Kanye has everything to do with my point, actually. Game relies on production, and The Documentary wouldn't have been shit without guys like Dre, Storch, Kanye, and Just Blaze. Just look at Game's material before signing with Aftermath, there's nothing redeeming about it.


Yeah, I'm totally with you. I have both "Untold Story" and "West Coast Resurrection", and they are both pretty shitty. But I'm not really saying The Game is great. I'm not saying Kanye isn't great. All I'm saying is I like the song "Dreams" and that it's fucking awesome. What does it matter who made it? I have mad respect for Kanye for making such a quality track. But my whole point saying I love the song is just that... I'm not arguing for or against anybody on the track. Doesn't matter to me if The Game made it, if Kanye made it, or if John Doe at the end of the block made it. Point is, it turned out how it turned out, and I love the song and respect whomever made it.

Stringer Bell
June 26th, 2005, 3:51 PM
I don't want to research hip-hop. My point about being woke up at night by rap and listening to it in cheap cars was that I've heard A LOT of rap over the years. I'm talking A LOT. I may not gobble up mixtapes and underground material, but I have heard a lot of rap (and own it as well). Researching isn't necessary. I've heard thousands of songs, I continue to listen to thousands of songs, and "Dreams" is fucking quality. In my eyes, it's about as good as a rap song gets. That's all. Like you said, it's just me. But that's what I meant about being woke up and stuff....



Yeah, I'm totally with you. I have both "Untold Story" and "West Coast Resurrection", and they are both pretty shitty. But I'm not really saying The Game is great. I'm not saying Kanye isn't great. All I'm saying is I like the song "Dreams" and that it's fucking awesome. What does it matter who made it? I have mad respect for Kanye for making such a quality track. But my whole point saying I love the song is just that... I'm not arguing for or against anybody on the track. Doesn't matter to me if The Game made it, if Kanye made it, or if John Doe at the end of the block made it. Point is, it turned out how it turned out, and I love the song and respect whomever made it.


No doubt, I just thought your initial statement was waaay too much of a stretch.

You heard any of the new Kanye material? New songs/snippets are leaking by the day... so far I've got "About an Angel", "Gold Digger" (f/ Jamie Fox), "Ay Ay Ay", and "Gone" (f/ Cam'ron)... hit me up on AIM if you wanna hear any of 'em.

And seriously man.. if you haven't heard Ghostface Killah's Supreme Clientele, check that shit out.

TapOut
June 26th, 2005, 6:25 PM
I heard Kanye's "Gold Digger". It's for sure more what I thought he would come out with first. I quite like it and find it suitable for a video, moreso than "Diamonds". I found the others you mentioned on Ares and will listen to them later on. Thanks for letting us know they're floating around.

Also downloading Supreme Clientele as we speak.....

QuietStorm
June 29th, 2005, 3:42 AM
Cage's new album is great. I got it playing on repeat.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
June 29th, 2005, 11:20 AM
You Know What It Is vol. III is tight, shame Game n' G-Unit made up

QuietStorm
June 29th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Have you heard 300 bars by Game yet? They haven't made up in the least.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
June 29th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah it's on the Mixtape... I didn't really pay much attention to the "beef", I just saw it reported that they'd reconciled.

QuietStorm
June 29th, 2005, 11:44 AM
They made up once, but Game divorced the bitch again since then.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000
June 29th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Ahhhhh... don't pay much attention

QuietStorm
June 30th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Form One ft. Chino XL - At It Again (http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1DE8JV1M3E7V00H9MYAU2N6H86)


Chino killing it again.

Stringer Bell
June 30th, 2005, 12:44 AM
You heard that new Royce yet, Quiet?

QuietStorm
June 30th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Yeah, have you? If not I can upload it for you.


I'll probably buy it eventually since it a nice one to have for the car, same as Death is Certain was. His flow is different on each of the 14 tracks, simply amazing. "Yeah" is one of the best tracks this year.

Stringer Bell
June 30th, 2005, 12:55 AM
Nah man thanks, I have it.. I was just wondering what you thought.

I'm really impressed too, but Royce has never been one to let people down.. well, everything after Rock City at least :p

You heard that track from the mixtape, "You Can't Hide" with Ras Kass, right? I love that shit.

QuietStorm
June 30th, 2005, 1:01 AM
Ras Kass has been killing it since his prison release.




Also, now that the unspeakable Mind Control is out of the way we can get to the real Canibus news.


"Canibus has teamed up with Mic Club Music Partner Louis Lombard and is currently recording all new material for "Mic Club - Volume II" an album inspired by MiClub The Curriculum. Canibus is also completing a feature DVD for release in the coming months. Click here for further discussion.

MicClub is also calling all graphic artists to design something good for the new Mixtape CD titled "Mic Club Master Volume I" coming in 2005. They are looking for the CD Cover art and actual b/w CD Graphic for the disc including tracklisting. Please send your images via jpeg with your address to micclub@hotmail.com. Contest expires July 20, 2005. The Top three winners will be announced on micclub.net and the cover art which is used will win a personalized gift from Canibus himself along with the first CD pressed and shipped, signed by Bis! The top three finalists will win free mixtapes and T-Shirts. Click here for the tracklist of "Mic Club Master - Volume I" and further discussion."


Source: MicClub.net


Keep in mind that Hip Hop For Sale is still expected to come out this year and Rip the Jacker II has been talked about.

Loving it.

Stringer Bell
June 30th, 2005, 1:09 AM
I'm dying for some new Canibus/Stoupe shit. Those two were made to work together.

Do they still fuck with each other? I haven't been keeping up with 'Bus much..

QuietStorm
June 30th, 2005, 1:11 AM
I'm dying for some new Canibus/Stoupe shit. Those two were made to work together.

Do they still fuck with each other? I haven't been keeping up with 'Bus much..
They haven't worked together since Tibetan Black Magicians, but there has been talk on both sides of a reunion album where they are both in the studio.

In fact, since Babygrande is distributing Hip Hop For Sale they may have a collab or two on there.

Stringer Bell
June 30th, 2005, 1:13 AM
Yeah, they definitely need to hook back up..

Rip The Jacker is easily his finest work, wouldn't you agree?

QuietStorm
June 30th, 2005, 1:15 AM
Production-wise, definitely. I play MiClub just as much these days. MiClub has sicker rhymes, but Rip the Jacker has more meaning behind the words.

Seanny One Ball
July 6th, 2005, 12:54 PM
I've listened to Can-I-Bus and Rip The Jacker twice as many times as I've listened to MiClub and 2000 BC.

I'd say his best album was his debut, nothing is tighter than Buckingham Palace or 2nd Round K.O :beer:

QuietStorm
July 6th, 2005, 1:10 PM
The Game - 300 Bars (http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JQEWXOHR8EYW2O4CVWISSRCEF)


Seanny, there is some new news on Micclub.net confirming that Hip Hop For Sale is indeed coming out this year, but on Nottz' label and not Babygrande. He is still producing the entire album. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be The Vitruvian Man mastered.

Seanny One Ball
July 6th, 2005, 1:13 PM
Sweet, cheers for uploading that.

I'll get anything new of Canibus' I can get my hands on :\

Seanny One Ball
July 6th, 2005, 1:33 PM
I'm liking the beat switch in 300 Bars, this is good stuff.

Fuck he's good on the Diamonds beat by Kanye...

Seanny One Ball
July 7th, 2005, 9:49 AM
I need someone to help me find an instrumental of Kanye's "Diamonds".

I love that tune.

Stringer Bell
July 7th, 2005, 2:29 PM
I've never known anyone to say Can-I-Bus is his best work, but hey, each to their own.

Missy's new album has some dope beats, but not enough Timbo.

Can't wait for Saigon's LP.. shit needs to stop getting delayed.

Chris Scott
July 7th, 2005, 3:07 PM
Big Canibus fan me, to me I loved his firts album and think it's his best, his last one is not far behind. Buckingham Palace and 2nd Round K.O are two of the best songs I have ever heard from a rapper.

DaRocTric
July 7th, 2005, 5:16 PM
Can't wait for Saigon's LP.. shit needs to stop getting delayed.

Agreed, Saigon is nasty along with Papoose. I think The NACIREMA Dream is gonna be tight. Have you heard A-Z Slaughter. :eek:

Has anyone heard Jadakiss spitting at 50 and G-unit again. This time with Styles P its called Problem Child...Straight Heat. Ill upp it if ya want, its off the New Big Mike mixtape. Some quoteables:

Jada:
"Whenever we bump heads
Since you like havin people wit you, we'll get you a hospital with bunk beds"

"Hov don't really respect you, get in your place
If Big was alive he'd have prolly spit in your face
Nas been doin just fine without you
And Pac prolly would of made an album about you
So I guess that just leaves me here to get rid of you
And Rakim and them, they don't even consider you"

"It's 2005, nobody fights fair
I just know an instrumental is your worst nightmare
But you tough, and you bad, too bad, you mad
Prolly been in your old hood more than you have"

"Yeah you sold more records than me
But in the streets you gon always be second to me
We was damn near feelin ya
Even though your career is based off somebody damn near killin ya
Shit you be doin ain't even considered rappin to us
This is prolly the best thing to happen to us
The best wanksta, internet gangsta, magazine mobster, shit on your whole roster
Get ready to say your hail marys and our fathers
Get out your black suits and hard bottoms
And dont worry I got em
You ain't a problem child, you just a child with a problem"

Styles P:

"D-Block, don't think it nigga
Take a piss in your Formula 50, drink it nigga"

QuietStorm
July 7th, 2005, 5:43 PM
Papoose is awful. Gift of Gab did the whole A-Z thing much better and I'm not even that big of a fan of him.



BuckMarley, you obviously have never been to Canibus-Central if you've never heard anyone say Can-I-Bus is his best album.

TapOut
July 7th, 2005, 6:50 PM
I need someone to help me find an instrumental of Kanye's "Diamonds".

I love that tune.

I got the instrumental and the album version when I first heard the song came out. I really don't like the song, but oddly, it's starting to grow on me.

Anyways, here ya go, assuming you don't already have it.


http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=053A015VOEYGC1XE7FLWBP6329

Seanny One Ball
July 7th, 2005, 6:52 PM
Thanks a lot TO - that's great stuff.

I'll be recording a track over that real soon.

Stringer Bell
July 7th, 2005, 8:18 PM
BuckMarley, you obviously have never been to Canibus-Central if you've never heard anyone say Can-I-Bus is his best album.

Nah, I haven't. Seems a little ridiculous to me. Wyclef fucked up what could've been an amazing album. It's not bad, but his best? You can vouch..

Seanny One Ball
July 7th, 2005, 8:51 PM
I can vouch it's his best album.

Nate got me into Canibus when I hated him. Can-I-Bus has more lyrical content than any album I own. It's arguable anyway.
I love that album, I mean when you compare 2000 B.C, MiClub or RTJ then it's all about beat and rhyme.

On RTJ my favourite tracks are No Return, Levitibus, Spartibus and Genibus - also Poet Laureat 2 which is more or less 200 bars....

I'd say that the first Poet Laureat on MiClub was dope as fuck but it doesn't touch RTJ. On MiClub itself Bis Vs Rip has to be the best track. It's such a convincing battle too...like Canibus has the vocabulary of 10 rappers and even then he's stretched to get his message across.

In short the man is my rap idol, if I was ever to be a rapper I'd credit him on every album I dropped.
Can-I-Bus is the legend, the original scripture. I'd never give the man credit without mentioning Wyclef - nothing fucked up, the only thing that scuppered it was the expectation of straight battle heat from a man who didn't want to come out swinging like that.


When LL tested him it was cool but after that there was nobody. He might have made Em look like a bitch on apparently the worst rap album released in years but that proved nothing other than how fucking shite Em had become.

QuietStorm
July 7th, 2005, 9:08 PM
CTHS is honestly not that terrible of an album. It just has parts that aren't very good.


Remember 2002 and 2003? I really had Bis' cock in my throat....

Seanny One Ball
July 7th, 2005, 9:23 PM
You've had Bis cock in your throat for a lot longer than that tbh.

I just never understood why.

CTHS isn't good, it isn't awful, it's just one of those things that wou,d be better left unspoken.

Stringer Bell
July 7th, 2005, 10:37 PM
True Hollywood Stories is just corny, it would've been okay if it was from some other rapper with less potential. Canibus had no business doing that shit..

I just think RTJ is phenominal. Canibus had been trying to find his groove, and it seemed like he found it on there to me. Mic Club's good, but those Stoupe beats match 'Bus perfectly.

The beats on Can-I-Bus are ass for the most part.. that "Rip Rock" shit :rofl: But yeah, lyrically, it's outstanding.

Stringer Bell
July 7th, 2005, 11:04 PM
Aha, one of the Ying Yang Twins said this in XXL...

"You telling them wait until you see my dick. Then you let her see your dick, get her into the room to pull her hair, and now it's time for the bedroom boom. It's a trilogy, man. Ying Yang, we think outside of the normal thought process. That's what brings about these types of songs, 'cause we use our brains to think more then we use the bullshit"

How dumb are these cats? "Whisper" is a fun song, but god.. they are everything wrong with hip-hop.

QuietStorm
July 8th, 2005, 5:03 PM
SAT inspired me....

Looks like Ras Kass is coming out with a 19-track album in a very short time, ACCORDING TO RUMORS. Some dude is trying to sell it on Ebay at least. And the tracklist doesn't look like it has The Seance on it, unfortunately. That track was flawless.

Here is what the shady Ebay guy has on his page....

----------------------------



Available for Shipment in 2 weeks. Brand New Ras Kass CD. Institutionalized Vol. 1. 19 Brand New Tracks never before heard. Production By Dr. Dre, Ric Roc, Vyente, XL, Da Riffs, & More.

Artwork not yet available. These are the REAL cd's that will be sold in stores. Real manufactured not copies. This is the 1st place you can order anywhere. After payment is recieved cd will be shipped in 2 weeks as soon as the boxes are opened. This will be 2 weeks before they come out in stores. Track listing below.

Institutionalized Vol. 1

01. Intro: MTV News Brief feat. Sway
02. Air Em Out
03. Slap Season feat. Jelly Roll
04. Flood
05. Expect Me feat. Xzibit
06. Put Ya Glass Out
07. Write Where I Left Off
08. Shine (Vis-a-Vis)
09. Clayton Bixby Skit 1
10. No Love feat. Xaive
11. More feat. Maria
12. My Apology
13. U Aint Me feat. C!
14. Look Alive feat. Strong Arm Steady & Young Buck
15. Life & Bullshit
16. Clayton Bixby Skit 2
17. Unconditional feat. Mystic
18. We Run The Streets feat. Crooked I, El Dog, Spider Loc, 40 Glocc
19. Welcome Home

Stringer Bell
July 8th, 2005, 5:18 PM
Interesting.. always up for some Kass, hope it's hot.

QuietStorm
July 9th, 2005, 2:59 AM
Krispy, get Capone's new album. It's got Scarface, Devin the Dude, and Raekwon on there. And it's pretty darn good.

Stringer Bell
July 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM
That Capone's good, you say? I was thinking about checkin it out for the guest spots alone..

I haven't been impressed by him since The War Report.. Nore especially fell off, Capone just hasn't dropped much material. Definitely interested in that new one though, I'm gonna go look for it now.

TapOut
July 9th, 2005, 10:03 PM
A shitload of Kanye's new stuff has hit the web.

I won't be dissapointed. I didn't care too much for Diamonds (although as mentioned, it's growing on me) but several of these new tracks sound awesome, such as About An Angel .

The remix to "Diamonds" is expected to be on the album as well. It features Jay-Z and keeps the same beat, but of course, has different lyrics. Here it is, if you'd like to listen, as many of you rave about the song....

http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2157SVCPYIO563ODQPMHBA2HQC

Stringer Bell
July 9th, 2005, 11:00 PM
What else has leaked besides the stuff we talked about, Tap? I haven't been keeping up. Jay made Kanye look like a clown on that remix, but that's pretty much expected. "Gold Digger" keeps my head nodding, but I still think "Diamonds" is a more quality track.

By the way, how'd you like Supreme Clientele?

Quiet.. do you have that Buckshot/9th Wonder LP yet?

QuietStorm
July 10th, 2005, 2:04 AM
Quiet.. do you have that Buckshot/9th Wonder LP yet?
It furthered my undying hatred for 9th Wonder.

Stringer Bell
July 10th, 2005, 2:30 AM
Really? I love 9th.. how did Buckshot come though? Think you could hook me up with it? :dunno:

Bandit
July 10th, 2005, 3:02 AM
but god.. they are everything wrong with hip-hop.
:yes:

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 9:20 AM
What else has leaked besides the stuff we talked about, Tap? I haven't been keeping up. Jay made Kanye look like a clown on that remix, but that's pretty much expected. "Gold Digger" keeps my head nodding, but I still think "Diamonds" is a more quality track.

By the way, how'd you like Supreme Clientele?

Quiet.. do you have that Buckshot/9th Wonder LP yet?

I haven't found a confirmed tracklisting, so I pretty much downloaded anything by Kanye that I haven't seen/heard of yet. Those songs are:

Diamonds (Sierra Leone)
Diamonds (Sierra Leone) Remix
Gold Digger
The Last Registration
Good Ass Job
Dream Killers
Wack Niggas
My Baby (this song was on Janet Jackson's Damita Joe album, which he appeared on, so I can't see him using over a year later, but who knows.)
Brand New
Soulful w/ John Legend
Higher
Wow
Where You At
Philly Niggas
Peace
Out The Game
Out of Your Mind
Niggas Gossip
My Whole Life
I Need To Know w/ John Legend
About An Angel (this track is fucking awesome)
Apologize
Arguements
Can't Nobody Love Me Like You
Ghetto
Gorgeous
Hey Mama
Home w/ Jay-Z
Improvise
Is That Your Car
Livin' A Movie


Obviously, all these songs aren't going to make the cut, and some may simply be mixtape material. You know how file sharing programs are: they always misname files and such. But many songs, like Soulful, Diamonds remix and About An Angel are pretty much givens.

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Right I want people to start reccommending some songs with heavy bass and cold flows.

The sort of thing Tupac laid out in Troublesome '96 :beer:

I'm in a hard rap mood for some reason. One thing, don't reccomend anything by Mobb Deep or Canibus. I'll probably have it.

Stringer Bell
July 10th, 2005, 12:36 PM
Tap.. most of those songs have been out since College Dropout, man. You have a version of "Home" with Jay-Z, though?!

Hard rap? Wu-Tang's pretty hard, and some of the best hip-hop out.

QuietStorm
July 10th, 2005, 4:31 PM
Really? I love 9th.. how did Buckshot come though? Think you could hook me up with it? :dunno:
No, but I could hook you up with some Asian porn.

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 4:40 PM
Tap.. most of those songs have been out since College Dropout, man. You have a version of "Home" with Jay-Z, though?!



You're probably right. I just typed in "Late registration" in Ares and downloaded whatever I didn't have.

Funny thing about bass is, many songs that have EXTREMELY loud bass in them aren't even rap songs.

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 4:51 PM
Someone reccommend me some songs you fucking wankers.

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 5:06 PM
When We Ride On Our Enemies - Tupac.

Lean Back Remix feat. Biggie.... (one of the best fucking remixes ever)

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 6:42 PM
I know I said Wu Tang Disciples of the 36th Chambers II was weak but the DVD is f'n awesome...

Little inteviews and the whole concert.. Must buy for any Wu fan simply because it's gonna be the last concert ever and ODB is there..

:heart:

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 7:05 PM
Drama Setter- Tony Yayo, Eminem and Obie "Slept On" Trice...that track is fuckin sick.

TapOut
July 10th, 2005, 7:35 PM
I need a site to download the 2005 BET awards. I need to rewatch that Fugee and "No Way" performance.... I can't wait until Tuesday.

Anyone know of any good torrent site where I can get it?

Seanny One Ball
July 10th, 2005, 7:37 PM
I need someone trustworthy to name some heavy tracks I aint heard.

I mean like Krispy, Nate or jANK.

TapOut too or Simon :beer:

Kris P. Lettus
July 10th, 2005, 7:42 PM
What do you mean by "heavy"??

Like metal-ish??

DaRocTric
July 10th, 2005, 7:51 PM
Im trustworthy too, I just havent been here long enough...Trust me that song is crazy.

Drama Setter (s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IYFGMY59VS1J2W2JRF55MIJOD)