Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[Seanny One Ball]

The first Big L track I ever heard was '98 Freestyle and I didn't know if it really was a freestyle such was the greatness....

Simon quotes the odd line here and there :yes:

[Simon]

Favourite track for me has to be MVP, just perfect lyricism. The Premo remix is even nicer.

Favourite verse is his first off All Black

[Kris P. Lettus]

Ebonics

"speak wit criminal slang,

That's just the way that I talk yo,

Vacabullary skills are ill.."

[Fro]

Have you guys heard Harlem's Finest: A Freestyle History?? It blew my mind. Definetly my favorite Big L album to listen to, even though its not really an album. And for the record, his "freestyles" are not really freestyles. It just means he did them live (usually on the radio) and in one take. Also, they weren't verses from any of his songs, just shit he wrote down.

"What I resite be taking hours to write/So if you bite just tell your man what kind of flowers you like"

"I'm known for rockin tours/picture me moppin floors/only fuck with ki's and not the kind that be lockin doors"

[Kris P. Lettus]

Frofiles, did you get the Wu Tang Manual yet?? I thought you were the one that first mentioned it a while back.. It's pretty f'n pimp.. And it was only $17.00..

:yes:

[Fro]

No! I went to Barnes and Noble on saturday but they didn't fuckin have it in stock. It's ok though because I really just need it by a week from sunday, when I'm going on a trip to Jamaica. I probably wouldn't get around to reading it until then anyway.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I went to Barnes and Noble yesterday and they had like 10 copies..

Well, it's well worth buying..

:yes:

[Seanny One Ball]

Ebonics

"speak wit criminal slang,

That's just the way that I talk yo,

Vacabullary skills are ill.."


Don't tell me you don't love the Nas and Jay samples from one track.

"Y'all 'bout to witness"

"the game is called rap..."

[DaRocTric]

I got 50's Massacre today. My friend hook'd me up with a pre-released copy. Two Words:

Complete Trash

He only has like 4 good songs. The production is hot though, if any want the tracklist, I will post it. Or if you want to listen to the cd, give me a PM.

[Kris P. Lettus]

You expected it to be good??

[DaRocTric]

On the accounts of Get Rich or Die, Yes.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Meh..

He's aiight I guess but the hype of the album lead to much dissapointment..

:\

On a completly different note, anyone heard a song by Mellow D and the Radios??

Good uplifting Hip Hop..

[CollegeGraduate]

I got 50's Massacre today. My friend hook'd me up with a pre-released copy. Two Words:

Complete Trash

He only has like 4 good songs. The production is hot though, if any want the tracklist, I will post it. Or if you want to listen to the cd, give me a PM.


I guess its a matter of preference, But I really liked it. I also got the prereleased copy and I think the production is superb.


If anything, everyone must listen to the track PIGGY BANK. I give 50 cent 2 years before someone kills him.

[DaRocTric]

The production is superb. Piggy Bank was one of the only tracks I liked though along with Toy Soldier. He tells Fat Joe: " That Fat Ass N*gga thought Lean Back was in the club/ My shit sold 11 mill, his shit was a dud. " Right now Fiddy is untouchable but a beef with LOX/D-Block could mess him up. Even though, I feel the best lyricist in G-Unit is Tony Yayo.

Anyway, Anyone hearing Dre wants to sign Killa Cam. Since Cam dont got a deal no more, since he left Roc.

[spanish announce table]

The Wu Tang Manual is awesome. A lot of interesting information about how Wu formed, and what Wu-Tang actually means to them. The break down of kung fu, Gods & Earths and Supreme Mathematics makes it a lot easier to decipher and understand the rhymes. The explanation of the technology he used makes 36 Chambers seem even more awesome.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I've read about half of it.. Pretty f'n pimp..

Like the Shaolin were always the "good" guys and the Wu Tang were always the "bad" guy..

So they are the Wu Tang from Shaolin, etc..

Pretty fly..

[CollegeGraduate]

50 cent may have lost his mind.


In his new album, scheduled for release march 3, he disses Nas, Jadakiss, and FatJoe. A response from FatJoe was already released and shit is about to escalate as Jadakiss has already mentioned that he has a retilation record in the works. Why on earth would he diss Nas, a rap legend, and Jadakiss who has more street cred then 50 ?


Is this a coincidence? 50 cent starting new beef around the time of his new record being released?


LoL, its funny though Fat Joe dissed 50 cent saying No one could be in that great of shape with out steroids. Yes, Fat Joe it is possible. Especially if you put down that big mac.

[Matthew]

Coincidence has nothing to do with it, since the new beef is on the album.

:wtf:

[DGAF]

On friday morning here in New York during the Kay Slay show, out of nowhere 50 Cent calls up the show and started blasting Fat Joe, couple seconds after that joe calls in and start blasting 50 :rofl:

50 basically said that if he ever see Joe in the streets he'll punch him in the face

Joe then when on to say that 50 is on steroids, and that he goes nowhere without punk ass security.

[CollegeGraduate]

Coincidence has nothing to do with it, since the new beef is on the album.

:wtf:



Well why didnt 50 cent come out and say he had a problem with Nas, fat joe, or jadakiss months ago? All of sudden, ( yes I know of the track piggy bank, which is my point) he wants to call those guys out during this record? Its all a ploy to sell more records I believe. Its working well too.


Edit: Oh and a little sidenote, 50 cent dissed the song lean back yet does he remember that Eminem himself was on the remix track with fatjoe?

[QuietStorm]

Who cares. It is so lame.

[The Champagne]

Fat Joe is wack as hell...

And 50's album was really disappointing, didn't live up to the hype and it had too many fillers...Damn

[Kris P. Lettus]

His beef with Fat Joe, Jada, and R. Kelly come fromn their calaborations with Ja Rule..

His beef with Nas comes for Nas opening talking shit about how Fitty is pop and not "real" New York..

Truthfully, they can all eat a dick (minus Nas cause he's the man)..

[Seanny One Ball]

50 Cent...fuck sake, the man can barely rap let alone settle a beef with Jada or Nas.

I like how someone said Jada has more street cred than 50 though, guy takes 9 shells and people will never be happy as long as he's rapping about clubs and magic sticks. :lol:

It's tragic that people can even get excited about shit like this, it's not a battle it's just a fake beef. 50 might be all hyped up but what's he really gonna do?
This isn't going to result in anything other than wasted headlines and a couple of really bad records.

[Simon]

If Nas gets involved, then it'll be worthwhile. But he won't, because he's a lazy fucker. Same with Jada. So we'll have two no-flows like 50 and Fat Joe bringing out shitty diss tracks, plus inevitably Banks Buck, Game, Prospect, Armageddon and maybe even Tony Sunshine :heart::heart::heart: trying to get involved like little fucknuggets.

[jesus sucks]

get rich or die tryin was better than nas' last 2 albums. i hope 50 cent wins, nas has been shit for 3 years now. 50 cent was a monster on "guess who's back", he goes back to that style and he'll beat Nas. Dunno if he can rap as fast as that now since he's been shot in the face.

[Fro]

get rich or die tryin was better than nas' last 2 albums. i hope 50 cent wins, nas has been shit for 3 years now. 50 cent was a monster on "guess who's back", he goes back to that style and he'll beat Nas. Dunno if he can rap as fast as that now since he's been shot in the face.
:lol:
Get Rich or Die Tryin better than God's Son and Streets Disciple???? If you don't like Nas at all then just say so, but those two albums were, in my opinion, his best work since It Was Written (or Illmatic for all you It Was Written bashers). Nothing 50 Cent has ever done comes close to those two albums lyrically. I did like Get Rich but 50 is already played out after 2 years on top. Without Dre's production, he wouldn't even be listenable anymore. His new album is gonna suck, and I pray to god that Fat Joe, Jada and Nas put him in his place and expose him as a poor rapper who has a good producer.

[CollegeGraduate]

Haha, and the drama continues.


50 cent dropped Game from G-unit claiming Game is "disloyal" because Game said he would not be involved in any beefs that 50 cent is starting from his new record Piggy Bank. Interesting read at Mtvnews.com about this whole thing if anyone interested.

If Nas took 50 seriously, we could have a good battle on our hands. But like somoene pointed out, Nas is to lazy and probably more worried about kelis' milkshake.

[QuietStorm]

And 50 Cent's bodyguard got shot in the leg tonight.


I hope everyone murders everyone.

[Dan The Man]

I just hope I don't get caught in the crossfire, what with hanging out with Fiddy and Joe all the time.

What the fuck Dan... that's not even remotely humorous... um, +1?

[CollegeGraduate]

And 50 Cent's bodyguard got shot in the leg tonight.


I hope everyone murders everyone.


lol...

U silly

[jesus sucks]

:lol:
Get Rich or Die Tryin better than God's Son and Streets Disciple???? If you don't like Nas at all then just say so, but those two albums were, in my opinion, his best work since It Was Written (or Illmatic for all you It Was Written bashers). Nothing 50 Cent has ever done comes close to those two albums lyrically. I did like Get Rich but 50 is already played out after 2 years on top. Without Dre's production, he wouldn't even be listenable anymore. His new album is gonna suck, and I pray to god that Fat Joe, Jada and Nas put him in his place and expose him as a poor rapper who has a good producer.

i've got all nas' albums and the last 2 he has released are certified garbage. 2pac puts down the best verse on gods son. that's the only good thing about it. and streets desciple, there's not one song i like on there. 100% gay faggot shit for fat faggots is what that album is.

get rich was quality for the type of hiphop it was. good beats good mixing and good rapping. he put on a fucking amazing show when i went to see him hin oct 2003, i prefer Nas but nas doesn't make good albums anymore. he hit his best work on stillmatic. i hope 50 wins the battle.

[DaRocTric]

Its preference. I love every CD Nas puts ouyt becuase its lethal. Imagine if he puts out an Ether pt.2 on 50. 50 Dead.

Plus, Jada saying he is gonna get 50. He said half-a-dollar aint nuthin.

[QuietStorm]

I hope Jadakiss gets killed first for making such an awful, pathetic, bubble gum political track.


Definitely ready for a rapper bloodbath.

[CollegeGraduate]

I hope Jadakiss gets killed first for making such an awful, pathetic, bubble gum political track.


Definitely ready for a rapper bloodbath.


"Why"?? lol




What I am wondering is how dr. dre feels about all this childish bullshit in his own camp? He should drop detox and diss everyone including 50, game, and all of gunit. I like 50, dont get me wrong, but this is absurd shit. He is trying to hype up his album way to much. His new album is good however and I recommend it over Nas Street Disciple which in my opinion was absolute trash. I guess its preference. I liked God's son and Nas works before but damn, street disciple was horrendus. I gave that cd away because I could not stand one track on their.

[jesus sucks]

i'm thinking about ebaying my street's disciple aswell. i hate every song on it. the only thing stopping me is that it's miss one of of my nas collection, but i'm never buying another nas album again he's shit. so i may aswell just sell it.

[Reality_Threatens_ALL]

Today, during an interview on (local) 94 HJY, 50 Cent was conducting an interview, and began to badmouth......Dr Dre. Basically the jist of it was that 50 didn't like the direction Dre was going in; it was the wrong way to go. 50 also expressed his interest in getting out of Aftermath records and starting his own new label, not under Dre or anyone else.

Something tells me we are seeing the beginning of the end of 50 Cent.

[Tom Bombadil]

thank god, 50 is a big piece of commerical crap, his new album stinks, his creating beef with everyone, fueding with jada and nas (there is no way 50 can win against him, even Jay Z couldn't beat him).

It may be a blessing that game ain't in g-unit.

[Simon]

Apparently one of 50's bodyguards got shot the other day while 50 was in the same building :\

[Tom Bombadil]

i listening to that album i was on about, it was ok like. not really my kind of beats but the rapping was quality.

not sure who sadat x has worked with, i'd have to look on the back of the big L albums next time i play em. Big L is better than him, though.

Big L was better than alot of rappers defo all time top 5

[Mr. Boombastic]

Nobody defends Nas more than I, but if you want to say Jay-Z, 2Pac, Bone Thugz, BIG, Big L, or just about any credible rapper is better than that is certainly a fine opinion to have. However, nobody in their right mind should think that 50 Cent is anywhere close to being one of the greatest rappers ever. I also think that if he were shot for all the bullshit he has been talking that would be the worst thing that ever happened to those that dont buy into the G-Unit/50 cent bullshit. We dont need another rap martyr. For how much I love 2pac, just because he was shot everybody and their mom kisses his ass, because he died. Imagine how horrible that would be if 50 was shot.

I guess really I just look at it like this. Anyway you look at it their is no better definition of Pop Rap than 50 Cent. Its got great production, but no substance.

[CollegeGraduate]

Nobody defends Nas more than I, but if you want to say Jay-Z, 2Pac, Bone Thugz, BIG, Big L, or just about any credible rapper is better than that is certainly a fine opinion to have. However, nobody in their right mind should think that 50 Cent is anywhere close to being one of the greatest rappers ever. I also think that if he were shot for all the bullshit he has been talking that would be the worst thing that ever happened to those that dont buy into the G-Unit/50 cent bullshit. We dont need another rap martyr. For how much I love 2pac, just because he was shot everybody and their mom kisses his ass, because he died. Imagine how horrible that would be if 50 was shot.

I guess really I just look at it like this. Anyway you look at it their is no better definition of Pop Rap than 50 Cent. Its got great production, but no substance.


Amen to that.

I like 50. I know his music isnt this most enlightening in hip hop and often times lacks substance. However, I still find it entertaining and enjoyable. 50 himself admits that he is simply " a good song writer" and claims he isnt even the best rapper in his own group of g-unit. ( he states that lloyd banks is, which I disagree with but this is besides the point). 50 knows what sells and he is learning the rap game quiet well. You have to give him credit for that whether you like him or not. Frankly though, with all the bullshit from the last week and all the animosity that 50 has created, I have lost feelings towards. He simply is trying to hard to stir up friction so he can push his record. He needs to simply shut the fuck up, and let people listen to his record. It actually is good, ( yes, especially production wise). 50 and Em are actually similar. Eminem in my honest opinion, is the most talented mc in the market today. Thats right, thats what I believe. However, he has become this pop "i love my daughter" shithead who needs to take his head out of his ass and realize the skills he has and re-utilize them. The man has imense rapping ability. Go back and listen to SSLP or even MMLP. Even earlier mixtapes and unreleased shit from him them. He had a hunger, a desire to spit ryhmes that was phenomenal. But now he has deteroriated into a soft poser. Still, I like em too. Even though his latest cd was garbage. I am rambling, but my point is that often times a rapper loses his edge when he loses his hunger. Em had his hunger when he was coming up. He was intense. 50 had it too, mainly before Get rich or die tryin. After words, its all beeen a well produced parade of songs for both em and 50. No more substance. The death of substance has emerged.

[Tom Bombadil]

Does Westwood know anything about rap.

First he gave eminem's encore 5/5
now he's given 50's massacre 5/5

Dumb shite

[CollegeGraduate]

Eminems encore deserves at most, a 2/5.

50's deserves a 4/5. It was a good album.

[big lol]

Hey I have just started getting into Hip Hop rap, got a few albums cheap for after liking the soundtrack to Def Jam: Fight For NY.

Is there any albums/artists you guys would recomend?

Can somebody also please tell me which rappers/labels are fueding as I am getting a bit confused and I'm betting that I am missing a heap of witty references.

Cheers lads.

[Reality_Threatens_ALL]

Hey I have just started getting into Hip Hop rap, got a few albums cheap for after liking the soundtrack to Def Jam: Fight For NY.

Is there any albums/artists you guys would recomend?

Can somebody also please tell me which rappers/labels are fueding as I am getting a bit confused and I'm betting that I am missing a heap of witty references.

Cheers lads.

- depends on what style of rap you prefer. Freestyle, beat based, lyric based, sound based.....East Coast, West Coast, Southern rap......it goes on. Your best bet would prolly be to start out with mixtapes to see who's style you prefer.

- 50 right now "has" a beef with Nas, Jada and Fat Joe. He used to have one with JA Rule, but 50 (along with others) murdered R.U.L.E

- Also, speaking of Nas, he was in a fued with Jay-Z, but Nas pretty much killed Z and all of Roc-A-Fella records in one song.

[QuietStorm]

- Don't listen to Reality_Threatens_All

- turn off the radio


On a sidenote, I am all in favor of the martyrdom of rappers. Entirely sick of these Phallic Symbol Games.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

i'm thinking about ebaying my street's disciple aswell. i hate every song on it. the only thing stopping me is that it's miss one of of my nas collection, but i'm never buying another nas album again he's shit. so i may aswell just sell it.

You know, I'd have slapped you across your nig-nog face had you said that about Nas in the past, but I agree wholeheartedly with you!

I've not even tried to listening to the album more than twice because it's shit!

QS, new Masta Ace coming out? :hyper: loved Long Hot Summer yo!

BTW, who else here has a signed Immortal Technique poster?

:cool:

[QuietStorm]

You know, I'd have slapped you across your nig-nog face had you said that about Nas in the past, but I agree wholeheartedly with you!

I've not even tried to listening to the album more than twice because it's shit!

QS, new Masta Ace coming out? :hyper: loved Long Hot Summer yo!

BTW, who else here has a signed Immortal Technique poster?

:cool:
1. I don't know. He might be on temporary retirement. Get his album before Long Hot Summer. It is better.

2. Everyone in the five boroughs of New York City.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

:(

I'm on about in the UK... YEAH!

Album before Long Hot Summer he says... yeah thought he'd gone on retirement after LHS, and yet I see that he's got an album on the horizion...

:wtf:

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, get Disposable Arts.

And I haven't heard anything about a new one, but it could be he is lining up a greatest hits album and putting a couple new tracks on that. If I hear anything I'll let you know.

[spanish announce table]

Street's Disciple could have been cut down to 14-15 tracks, but its still a good album. If you guys really do own every Nas album, then how can you hate tracks like Thief's Theme, Suicide Bounce, Disciple & Just a Moment? These songs are classic Nas.


"Hip-hop isnt dead; its just the mind of the MC" - K-os from 'Emcee Murdah

Basically sums up almost all of rap music these days.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Hmm.

Play.com are gay. It IS Disposable Arts that is being released on 07/03/05, how strange...

[QuietStorm]

Probably just tweaked the sound a bit to make it a bit more crisssssthp.

[Morrison]

Speaking of Immortal Technique...

Bought Revolutionary, Vol. 2 a few weeks ago. Holy fuck. One of the few albums, out of any genre, that just kicked my ass. Completely vulgar and intellectual at the same time, and I love it. Went and downloaded Revolutionary, Vol. 1, and ass kicking proceeded. God damn, the guy is amazing.

[Tom Bombadil]

Eminems encore deserves at most, a 2/5.

50's deserves a 4/5. It was a good album.

agree about m&m's

but 50's is just as shit,

[Dan The Man]

Used one of those Pepsi iTunes free song things to check out Common's new single "The Corner." It's a bit overly Kanye'd for my taste, but I think it's going to be what the kids call "hot." Whether or not that's what Common should be aiming for is a different question entirely...

[Mr. Boombastic]

i just recently got the new Fabolous cd from a friend. Solid cd, nothing special but better than alot of whats out there. It wasnt quite as good as his first two cds though.

[Simon]

Speaking of Immortal Technique...

Bought Revolutionary, Vol. 2 a few weeks ago. Holy fuck. One of the few albums, out of any genre, that just kicked my ass. Completely vulgar and intellectual at the same time, and I love it. Went and downloaded Revolutionary, Vol. 1, and ass kicking proceeded. God damn, the guy is amazing.Yup, Tech is my favourite artist out right now. Can rap in any style, about any topic, over any beat, and still sound brilliant. He's got everything.

[Big]

Whatcha think are the best battle raps???

[QuietStorm]

Mac Lethal, Chino XL, Canibus, Immortal Technique, Eyedea, Wordsmith....


(battle rapping is so fucking silly)

[Adamy]

Not that it really has anything to do with anything, but Mike Jones is totally awesome.

[Seanny One Ball]

Whatcha think are the best battle raps???


Piggy Bank :wired:

[QuietStorm]

Jadakiss' Response (http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2TTEKSNF4B9NA2KTVQU86TKCBU)


Chino XL - Messiah (http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2MHFB90882VM906FBG0U97KAMW)


Chino XL - Wordsmith (%20%20%20%20%20http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1084IMX1CZ7R81IRUWMQM3GITS)


Cage - Hell's Winter (http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39HXLBK41GZVE3JYIZ0BGXC6WY)


Canibus - Mic-Nificent (Omnious Remix) (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DI6HAPN6POG20C0VK54HKN0R6)


Canibus - Chaos (Omnious Remix) (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1IIV9K8QVIK733RWMPZ3QR9510)


Canibus - The Ballad (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1GDJBQJX8W7AY0VN0RBS1CNFA8)


Canibus - My Control (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0L591VPHBFI16011AX0PZL4T2J)


Canibus - Yale University Freestyle
(http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08G0Z00ADK1OC0R0D98ZILC0LL)

Canibus ft. Pakman - Oh No Freestyle (http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1W9FHG8QU9CAN07GCDY5I59UGX)




Although his career began in 1990 as one half of rap group, The Art Of Origin, who signed to an early Def Jam and released two 12 inch singles, New Jersey lyricist Chino XL rose to critical acclaim in 1996 with his debut release, Here to Save You All. He has since had plenty of underground success with his follow up album, 2001’s I Told You So, as well as various guest appearances and spots on DJ Sway and Tech's morning radio show, The Wakeup Show.

Chino XL sat down with StreetHop.com to discuss his career and future releases, as well as the prospect of a mainstream album.

Can you tell us about your upcoming album, Poison Pen?

Poison Pen floats around the concept of a kid that writes things and it happens. There’s a lot of material on there talking about trying to escape different childhood things that could stop you from getting where you need to go. And of course there’s a lot of bangers on there, all kinds of lyrics, metaphors, similes.

Is the childhood aspect autobiographical or just something you strongly believe in?

A little bit of both; I believe in the whole Engram philosophy, that there’s things moving around you that you just don’t notice. Like you may have an aversion to something as small as when it rains it freaks you out, because you may have some sort of trauma that happened to you when you were a child, and now you cant function when it rains. So to me its kind of working through all of that, stuff that I’ve been through, or things that I know that people have been through to come full circle, and keep it moving; be able to identify when something is dragging you down and just work through it.

A lot of fans don’t realize that you are a member of Mensa, what made you join such an organization and what do you think you can give to it, and get from it?

I got involved because my SHC was so high, I didn’t even know what it was. From where I’m from, I thought that I would go to one of the meetings. I was the only one of my type there, so when they would do a discussion about something like a part of history or whatever it was, I always thought that I was speaking for people like me. So when I was in a room with a 100 people that are supposed to be like the top 99.9 intellectual percentile of the world or whatever, that they know when they saw someone walk with a kind of a bop or might be this kind of person, it doesn’t mean that you’re not dealing with a person that has complexity and intellect and all of that, their just from a different place.

Did you ever face any sort of discrimination from those types of people?

Oh yeah, oh yeah. But you know its funny; it works for me. Because somebody goes into a situation with you and they think you’re going to be one way, and they find you’re a complete other way. Which is an insult into itself; like when somebody says, “You know you’re very articulate,” and you say “What am I supposed to be dumb? Why am I supposed to be dumb?” It’s that kind of round-about thing. Peoples guards get dropped a lot quicker once they work out they’re dealing with a person that’s just like them on certain levels.

Artists that are regarded as the top lyricists in the underground have a really hard time breaking out into commercial success, is this something that worries you or something you think about?

Well actually the situation that I’m in now, and this has nothing to do with Poison Pen, I’m actually making your quintessential commercial release. I’m working on an album that will be out in the Fall of next year, on a major label, big producers the whole shebang. And what I’ve realized is it really is two different things. They’re almost two different forms of music even thought they are the same art form. Coming from the MC realm, it’s all about the verses, and then the commercial aspect is all about the hooks; I mean how different could it be? One is about a song that will stand the test of time. The other is about being disposable music that you can get rid of each season and just make a new one, people can get rid of the artists old album, because they don’t really tell you what they think or what they’ve been through and its just about that moment. So its really really different and it takes an honest person to say, “you know what Im doing caters to a certain market, and if I want that other market to gravitate towards me, I’m going to have to take two steps towards them.” There’s really no other way around it, I mean anything else is going to be like a one hit success. You have to cater to what they are doing in a sense, they have to at least be able to catch the smell.

Which process do you prefer, “the verses” or “the hooks?” Do you have to force yourself to be commercial?

Fortunately, there’s a lot of, for lack of a better term, underground MCs or purists that say “I could do that,” or “that’s easy to do,” and all of that. It really is a different part of the brain. Because if you hear what some purist’s idea of a commercial song is, it sounds like a train wreck. It doesn’t have the right structure, the lyrics aren’t right, it could be too over their head and doesn’t stick to the theme. But for me as a lyricist, I can write just about anything, I mean BB King could call me to write a blues record and I could do it. My problem with it to tell you the truth, was which direction thematically to go in. How do I fit into this picture? How do I fit the honesty of my life into this? So for me finding the truth in it was the hardest thing, but once you find it you’re just riding that wave.

[QuietStorm]

Added some more tracks above. Enjoy.

[B_Khaira]

agree about m&m's

but 50's is just as shit,


IMO Em's Marshal Mathers album was him at his best, its slowly gone down from that, but "cleaning out my closet" was probably the best song he's ever come out with thus far.

i like 50's new album better then his last one.

[Tom Bombadil]

IMO Em's Marshal Mathers album was him at his best, its slowly gone down from that, but "cleaning out my closet" was probably the best song he's ever come out with thus far.

i like 50's new album better then his last one.

That was em at his best, to be honest i'm not a huge fan of the dude, i think he's pretty overrated. Just my opinion.

50's new album, no not better than his old one.

oh shit graveyard just came on, now that was a rapper, and jay z is good on that track, surprisingly. (not a jay z fan either)

[P Dandy]

Finally heard Piggy Bank.
I don't care if 50 considers it "warning shots" or whatever he likes to call it, Piggy Bank is weak. He called Jadakiss "loco." OMG. Yeah, warning shots, right. I'm sorry but I think that's the best 50's got.

Jadakiss already killed him on Checkmate. Leave it be 50. Don't embarass yourself.

[Chris Scott]

Anyone know the UK release date for canibus new album? can't wait for it.

[Chris Scott]

- depends on what style of rap you prefer. Freestyle, beat based, lyric based, sound based.....East Coast, West Coast, Southern rap......it goes on. Your best bet would prolly be to start out with mixtapes to see who's style you prefer.

- 50 right now "has" a beef with Nas, Jada and Fat Joe. He used to have one with JA Rule, but 50 (along with others) murdered R.U.L.E

- Also, speaking of Nas, he was in a fued with Jay-Z, but Nas pretty much killed Z and all of Roc-A-Fella records in one song.

What one song was that?

[QuietStorm]

Anyone know the UK release date for canibus new album? can't wait for it.
His "new" album Mind Control will be released in the States on June 21st, which will actually be the old album never released on Gladiator Records.

And....

Babygrande Records is pleased to announce that it has reunited with Canibus and Mic Club Music to release Canibus' next album entitled, Hip-Hop for Sale, which was produced entirely by Virginia's own super-producer Nottz.

'Canibus is one of the greatest MC's in hip-hop history and he'll always have a home at Babygrande. It is an honor to be able to make another record with him. I've been a fan of Nottz production since we worked together on the Training Day Soundtrack back when I was A&R at Priority. Canibus and Nottz have made an incredible record together,' says Babygrande CEO Chuck Wilson.

Hip-Hop for Sale will hit the streets on May 10th. Stay tuned to www.canibus.ws (coming soon) for more info.

Also on May 10th, Babygrande will release All Fates Have Changed, the debut album from Jus Allah. Some time this week, Babygrande and WBFS Pirate Radio will premiere Jus Allah's first single and an exclusive interview right here at www.babygrande.com




He may also have another album released in 2005 under Shaq's Deja34 label.

[Seanny One Ball]

I just listened to that Jada mp3 (cheers Nate) and at least he rips 50 in it.
The tune is pretty banging as well like, but I dunno how bothered about this Jada really is.

[jesus sucks]

oh shit graveyard just came on, )

i love that, classic.

[Fro]

Anyone have Resurrection by Common and wanna send it to me? All I have right now is Like Water For Chocolate and Electric Circus. Also, word on the street is that his new album is gonna be the shit...can't wait.

Edit: I bought it yesterday so never mind. And this thread is dead.

[Mr. Boombastic]

Just curious, I was wondering if anybody heard when the next Kanye West cd will be out. The first was a totally different type of rap cd and cant wait for the next.

Also, how is Resurrection/like water for chocolate from Common, Frofiles. I am a fan of alot of tracks i have burned from Common, but the only cd I have of his "One Day it'll all make Sense" is a bit of a disappointment.

[Tom Bombadil]

it's quality.

[Fro]

Like Water For Chocolate is mad dope. Mostly Roots-esque beats, in fact I think they produce a lot of it. Theres also a doooope DJ Premier track. If you wanna get into Common, it is the album to get. Well, it and Resurrection supposedly. I haven't listened to it yet, but from what I've read these are his two best albums. I'll give my 2 cents about it in a few days.

[QuietStorm]

Jon Dough's (off Canibus-Central) new mixtape, The Re-Awakening. It is very nice.


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/2manmilitiamusic.htm

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Picked up The New Danger today, been meaning to get it for a while. Just about to listen...

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Know what you're saying about Aesop Rock, JS. Didn't like the album I got that much to be honest. Liked one song about a bird going through life and that...

QS was a bit of fanny for suggesting that.

What you into these days QS?

JS, you're into?

Everyone, what are you into these days?

[Dan The Man]

Aesop > most.

I've been revisiting Madvillainy and Tha Carter (though mostly just "This Is The Carter," "Bring It Back," and "Earthquake")...

Most of my listening, however, has been dominated by one William Shatner... I hadn't heard it in time, but (and I know this has nothing to do with this thread) Has Been definitely would have made my 2004 Top 5...

[QuietStorm]

"Aesop Rock is afflicted with a unique problem: Everyone thinks he’s a genius. It’s probably similar to being a child prodigy. Critics and fans are so taken with his particular talent, gushing about his brilliance, looking up to him as a groundbreaker, someone who is going to change hip hop and maybe the world. When all he wants to do is play video games, write lyrics, and smoke cigarettes."



Rob Sonic - Telicatessen

Gym Class Heroes - The Papercut Chronicles

Blockhead - Music By Cavelight (probably not your thing)


Tonedeff's Archetype is apparently coming out April 5th. And Jus Allah, Canibus, and John Cena are all out May 10. :)

[jesus sucks]

Know what you're saying about Aesop Rock, JS. Didn't like the album I got that much to be honest. Liked one song about a bird going through life and that...

QS was a bit of fanny for suggesting that.

What you into these days QS?

JS, you're into?

Everyone, what are you into these days?

exactly i really like some of the nerd hiphop but most of it sounds awful to me. the best album of that kind is deltron 3030 imo, i always listen to that. good beats and amazing lyrics, i heard that del is ice cube's brother but i'm not sure if that's just my mate making it up. would explain alot though.

i'm not sure what i'm into at the moment really, none of the newer stuff. in the last year i've probably only bought about 20 cds. i've got just about everything i want. been into three-6-mafia over the summer and got into epmd and slick rick and big daddy kane. most times i end a session by throwing 2pac on or some death row or wu tang. some of the more regular stuff.

i've realised 100% i'm not a big fan of white rap. i gave it a chance for years but just think white rap is shit with the exception of eminem who is good for what he is (like 50 cent). the beastie boys are terrible and only popular because the rock magazines say they are good. i just wish they'd fuck off and die. i would rather listen to german traditional flute playing than the beatie boys

[QuietStorm]

Deltron 3030 is awesome, especially the title track. And if I remember correctly they are cousins.

[Seanny One Ball]

Everyone, what are you into these days?I'm big into Modd Deep, loving everything I've bought.

I can't get Operation Stackola out of my cd player either.

Sat down today and spent hours sticking 400 odd songs on my ipod, Redman, Meth etc.
Worth it.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I keep going through phases of listening to all my Wu shit, in fact I've got the Wu Manual in my Amazon basket waiting to be purchased...

Seem to just keep listening to Atmosphere's Go Loves Ugly though, and a bit of DJ Shadow's Endtroducing.

[Tom Bombadil]

i'm currently feeling talib kweli and mos def. Just can't stop playing their albums.

[QuietStorm]

Got the new Zion I album. Del, Gift of Gab, Talib Kweli, and Aesop Rock all have guest appearances. It is solid from top to bottom.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Zion I?

I think that you QS, should attempt to educate us on these 'underground' rappers you're into, so that we don't just see a name! Dammit, I may like it... I do like a bit of nerdy-rap with good production. :yes:

[QuietStorm]

Well shit. He isn't a nerd like Aesop. He has a conscious side, but he is able to be accessible to a fairly wide audience.

The dude is from Oakland, California. This will be his third solo album. He has a smooth voice and a natural flow. His production isn't over the top, it just compliments him very well. Jazzy at times and I'd say it sounds more east coast than west coast. Along with Rob Sonic, this should dominate my player until Tonedeff gets out there.


I honestly think you'd like him. Problem is I don't know the exact release date for the album, so I'll just PM you the damn album in a ZIP after I upload it to yousendit.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

That sounds pretty damn acceptable to me!

QS, I think everytime you post about someone you know I'll have never heard of, then you should do that little bio thingy, it does help an awful lot.

:yes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

QS, thanking you for that PM... didn't work though. :\

Got a couple of songs of his that I could download instead of the whole thing that isn't working?

:heart:

[QuietStorm]

Do you have WinRAR? Should have unzipped with that, but oh well. Sorry.


http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2V89F9WFPU5WQ3L3KCVEVI5UTK


http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2RF03XPF441EA3270T6CVFEAC0


http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1B8BU3M8RDZ031Q6TJPLOWR797


http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2MQD8KAU7S1TF07CQB7ZKBZFGT


http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JG4AWFF4KPVI1I9BTLB6MXIET

[Raw Is Jonathan]

:yes: :yes: :yes:

Very, very nice.

Think I may look into picking that up properly at some point...

[spanish announce table]

Picked up Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet" and "Apocalypse '91" yesterday for $6 each. Yeah, I'm REALLY late with these, but I was only 4-5 years old when these came out. I've only listened to half of FOBP so far, and its amazing. Terminator X is so sick with the beats. Chuck D has the most powerful voice of any MC I've ever heard, and Flav just rules.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Got the new Zion I album. Del, Gift of Gab, Talib Kweli, and Aesop Rock all have guest appearances. It is solid from top to bottom.

I've pre-ordered it on Amazon.

:yes:

The few songs I've already listened to are nice, definitely something I'll like, no doubt.

Good recommendation.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I just got ODB-Osirus: The Official Mixtape.. Give a good review once I've given it a decent listen..

RIP

:(

[spanish announce table]

I just got ODB-Osirus: The Official Mixtape.. Give a good review once I've given it a decent listen..

RIP

:(

I bought it last month, and I thought it was OK. The tracks produced by Chops just suck. Putting ODB on a 7 minute track with lames like Jae Millz and Cardan wasn't a good idea. There are also a couple of tracks where ODB only does the hook (Caked Up) while some no-name does all the rest. I also hate the Clinton Sparks remix of Pop Shots. Also, no RZA/4th Disciple/True Master/Mathematics.

However, the remaining 12 tracks are pretty good. Hearing Ol' Dirty and Premo is just awesome. ODB sounds better than ever on this one. Hearing Cappadonna make an apperance on a Wu album (first time since The W?) wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, though Ghostface should have done more than just the hook.

Overall, ODB does a great job, but his producers let him down.

7/10

[jesus sucks]

Picked up Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet" and "Apocalypse '91" yesterday for $6 each. Yeah, I'm REALLY late with these, but I was only 4-5 years old when these came out. I've only listened to half of FOBP so far, and its amazing. Terminator X is so sick with the beats. Chuck D has the most powerful voice of any MC I've ever heard, and Flav just rules.

those are two very good albums. fear of a black planet is a favourite nightime chillout cd of mine.

get it takes a nation of millions to hold us back. it's unbelievably brilliant, a perfect 100% album. the remaster is probably the best remaster i've heard aswell, i got the original 10 years ago then bought the remaster a couple of years ago and there is a huge difference.

[QuietStorm]

Archetype is brilliant. The wait has been worth it. I plan on uploading it after work or in the morning/early afternoon tomorrow at the very latest if I have it in me to go out tonight. So get your requests in now.


(I got you Simon)

[Raw Is Jonathan]

You're gonna have to do your explanation first!

[QuietStorm]

Of course you have heard some Tonedeff before?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

AH!

Tis Tonedeff... his new album is out then?

[QuietStorm]

I would really love to hear Tone rip it over the intro and outro instrumentals.

Overall a great album, the only tracks I find myself skipping are "Let's Go" and "Disappointed" (mainly because it has been out a while). "Masochist", "Porcelain", and "Children" are getting the most plays at the moment. And how fucking hilarious and awesome is "Pervert"?

But I would not doubt that the Kno/Tonedeff collab album is even better though. The greatness of Kno producing a whole album for him is hard to fathom. QN5 has the best group of producers of any hip hop label, it's not even close.

[Mr. Boombastic]

I just picked up Redman-Malpractice bout a week ago. I have always been a fan of Redman, hes not the greatest rapper but he has great flow and has countless number of hiliarious one liners. It'd be great if he had songs with more content, but I suppose it doesnt really matter cuz Redman is more about lyricism than being very serious. Always a fun, original rapper to listen to, I would suggest any Redman fan to pick it up. This is just a fun piece of hip hop.

[QuietStorm]

Canibus worked with Kanye West for one of his two new albums, according to Pakman. Weird news though, since common knowledge was that Nottz produced all of Hip Hop for Sale and Mark Sparks produced Mind Control. So I really don't fucking care. Just bring on May 10 please.

[QuietStorm]

www.gladiatormusic.com (http://www.gladiatormusic.com)


The dude has so many projects planned. News is coming in from everywhere. Hard to filter out the bullshit.

[Kev]

Hopefully this is good place to ask. I'm pretty much a fan of whatever Bone Thugs song I've heard, that's War, Crossroads, Thug Music Plays On, Home and Thug Luv. Just wondering if there's any other fans out there that could recommend me some other songs by them.. be greatly appreciated and all that...

[spanish announce table]

Some of my favorite Bone Thugs tracks

First of the Month
All the Way
Notorious Thugs (with Biggie)
Wasteland Warriors
If I Could teach the World
You Aint Bone
Look into my Eyes

[Dan The Man]

It's time for another round of PR vs. Truth... in today's edition: Why is Benzino Leaving The Source?


Blaming irreconcilable differences with both The Source magazine and its investor, Black Enterprise, co-founder Raymond "Benzino" Scott stepped down as chief brand manager on Friday (April 8).

"I want to step down from the magazine and sell my stock effective immediately," he said in a statement.

Claiming he's also tired of court battles with his enemy Eminem (see "Eminem 'Never Wanted To Squash The Beef,' Benzino Says; Fires Back In New Video"), Benzino said the magazine is too stiff for his taste.

"I've been consumed too much with the whole conflict thing ... the Eminem suit, and I am sick of it," Benzino said (see "Eminem's Lawsuit Against The Source Going To Trial"). "I don't want to take away from what The Source has built up, but I got issues with The Source and magazines like that. Everyone is too politically correct. They're not thinking about the little guy who can't afford to pay for high-priced ads. It's like a monopoly."

The feelings were apparently mutual as, according to a spokesperson for The Source, Black Enterprise disliked Scott's practices.

"Our other partner, Black Enterprise, is another reason why I've decided to leave," Benzino said. "I don't like how they perceive me. There are too many things that I don't agree with, so I am moving on."

Though his tenure at The Source has been rocky, Scott said he's looking forward to new publishing opportunities.

"I plan on creating another magazine that has my voice, which represents the little guy. It's because of the manipulation of SoundScan and radio that hip-hop is losing its edge. I want to come out with a magazine that will reflect that. I want to start from the ground up and speak for the artists," he said.

So, it's gotten too politically correct and you want to start anew to represent the little guy... very, very admirable... but just for the heck of it, let's see what else is going on in the news...


NEW YORK – April 11, 2005 – Earlier today, two of the highest-ranking former female executives of The Source magazine, the self-proclaimed “Bible of Hip Hop,” filed charges of discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission accusing co-owners David Mays, the Chief Executive Officer, and Raymond “Benzino” Scott, the Chief Brand Executive, of committing gender discrimination, sexual harassment, and unlawful retaliation against women at the Company.

The charges were filed by Kimberly Osorio, who was the first female Editor-in-Chief of The Source, and Michelle Joyce, who was the Vice President of Marketing. According to the charges, female employees were consistently discriminated against on the basis of their gender in favor of male employees, particularly with respect to hiring, promotions, compensation and benefits, working hours and discipline.

The charges also allege that:

Raymond “Benzino” Scott has taken virtually complete control over The Source from David Mays, and has placed many of his male associates from Boston on the payroll who performed no meaningful work and/or did not adhere to the same rules, policies and procedures that all female employees were required to follow.
Scott and Mays have fired or forced out of the Company without cause many competent, dedicated, and hardworking female employees and replaced them with men.
David Mays yelled and cursed at female executives at The Source, whereas he would not treat or talk to comparable male employees in such a manner.
Scott and Mays allowed another male employee to openly utter profanities at Ms. Osorio, degrade her, and threaten her with physical violence without being punished for his actions.
Women at The Source were repeatedly subjected to degrading acts of sexual harassment.
The sexual harassment was so severe and pervasive that the former Managing Editor at The Source would often hide in her office and avoid walking through the corridors out of fear of being sexually harassed.
The Source engaged in a gender-based smear campaign against Hot 97 radio personality and recording artist Angie Martinez.


“After dedicating five years to the Source, I could no longer endure the blatant gender discrimination and harassment so I spoke up. But it only hurt the situation, because I was fired shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, discrimination and/or harassment in the workplace is very common. And now, I must speak out for all women who have been victims of this same type of treatment,” said Ms. Osorio. “I chose to take a stand for women of the Hip Hop generation and for all women who quietly endure such treatment for fear of retaliation and for those women who have suffered in silence and quietly surrendered,” said Ms. Joyce.

“Ms. Osorio and Ms. Joyce have shown extraordinary courage in coming forward, and we will fully vindicate their rights at trial, said Kenneth P. Thompson, their attorney and a former Federal Prosecutor who prosecuted the Abner Louima federal civil rights case.

“All women should be treated fairly and with the utmost respect whether they are in the world of Hip Hop or not and we will prove that in this case,” said Thompson.

According to the charges, both Ms. Osorio and Ms. Joyce complained about the discriminatory treatment against women at The Source, all to no avail. Instead of taking prompt action to end the discrimination, they allege that Messrs. Scott and Mays unlawfully terminated them despite their outstanding work performance. In fact, Ms. Osorio alleges that she was fired shortly after she refused to give in to Scott’s and Mays’ repeated demands that she rescind an email that she sent to Human Resources complaining about the unlawful conduct.

I'll be honest... I've never read The Source, never cared about the various Benzino feuds, and really, still couldn't give a shit about this... I just enjoy story-behind-the-story stuff...

[Tom Bombadil]

Hopefully this is good place to ask. I'm pretty much a fan of whatever Bone Thugs song I've heard, that's War, Crossroads, Thug Music Plays On, Home and Thug Luv. Just wondering if there's any other fans out there that could recommend me some other songs by them.. be greatly appreciated and all that...

i recommend E - 1999, The Art of War, Creepin on ah Come Up. These are albums though. Great place too start. Most songs on these albums are class so i reccommend you get them, if you don't you ain't bone. :p

[doyoulikepie]

yeah E 1999 is great, definitely there best, art of war and coacu are good, faces of death is ok as well.

All of Krayzies solos are worth getting, thug mentality, thug on da line, tha legends underground and Gemini.

Bizzys first two are good, starts getting a bit weird after that.

Steer clear of Lay's and mo thugs albums, some good songs on them but not worth your money.

Check out BTNHBoard.com, loads of unreleased songs on there.

Listening to Bone Brothres at the moment, pretty solid album.

[Kris P. Lettus]

E. 1999 and Creep on a Come Up are great..

Everything after that is shit.. Pretty bad when a cameo outshines the entire album (Pac on Art of War)..

[Tom Bombadil]

I thought the Art of war was pretty good...Thug world order on the other hand is not, average at best.

Bad weed blues...i love that song

[Mr. Boombastic]

I dont think that anybody would contend that bone is one of the greatest rap groups/artists ever but also I do say that all of us can agree that bone certainly is a classic rap act that will stand the test of time. Only one or two truly great cds, but certainly dozens of memorable singles. For how much bone is above and beyond many modern rap artists, its a shame they were brought down a bit because they were trapped in the "golden age of rap" (93-96) below icon artists such as Nas, 2pac, BIG, Wu Tang Clan,

[Kris P. Lettus]

Bone isn't near the top of the list in my eyes simply because their whole style was biten..

If you go back to their unknown first album "Faces of Death" you'll see they sounded more like Caribean Chipmonks than the horror-movies style thugs.. This was recorded before they meet Easy E.. Easy E had spent alot of time in Memphis just before "finding" BONE (who until recently were know as The Band Aid Boys).. In Memphis he came across a group with a horrific, hardcore style called SPV (South Park Vets).. This group later became known as Three 6 Mafia..

Pretty much, Easy took the style of underground Memphis, went to Clevland, and gave it to some young, talented MC's..

Nothing against Bone really, cause I can't knock the hustle.. But at the same time, I grew up on Three 6 and have meet them several times.. I felt bad because they only hit mediocre status while some young punks went platinum off their style..

All this is hearsay cause it never went public, minus mentions in songs.. But, I have a demo tape from 1993 by SPV and I have Faces of Death by Bone from around the same time period.. Try to get that and the proof is right there on who had that style first..

[The Champagne]

^^ Yeah, I agree, but Bone shits on them during the ruthless era. Too bad Bone aren't the same anymore, that new Bizzy/Layzie collabo album is garbage. It's only worth downloading. At least they're getting beats from Dr.Dre and Swizz Beatz for their new group album. Bone is headed in the right direction

[jesus sucks]

^ i didn't know that about bone thugs.

i've got E 1999 eternal, that's brilliant. i prefer three six though. better beats.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I am a fountain of knowledge..

3-6 is better..

[Mike Skillz]

on that whole Benzino shit, you need to read this shit! Zino is one delusional mother fucker...

http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1049

[Tom Bombadil]

Benzino is a turd.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Got Beans' new album..

From what I've heard, it's greatness..

[Tom Bombadil]

I am a fountain of knowledge..

3-6 is better..

So i never heard of 3-6 so i downloaded a couple of albums, What i heard of there album they sounded good, i ain't going to make no judgements now...I'll make it tommorrow :D

[QuietStorm]

Since nobody here would buy this anyways, here is the new Living Legends album....


http://s21.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AYE3392JDANF3SU0G5TLWX022

[Tom Bombadil]

John Legends Album should i buy?

[QuietStorm]

The new Kanye single is balls. The production is ok I guess, would just be better if he wasn't rapping. And like Alias of Anticon said, that "eva eva" shit is Black Eyed Peas annoying.

[Stringer Bell]

I dunno Quiet, I'm feeling "Diamonds are Forever". The beat is nuts, and Kanye's stepped his game up a bit. He's never gonna be a top-notch lyricist though.

I know it's been covered, but Common's album is fantastic. I'll be suprised if anyone tops that this year. In my eyes, the only real contender is Raekwon and Ghostface's "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2".

Any word on Cena's album? Should be leaking pretty soon, shouldn't it?

[Stringer Bell]

Kris, nothing against you, but Three Six is not good rap. They have good beats, and some of the underground stuff is interesting, but they're not talented. They've got some of the corniest lyrics in the game, and are really only good for laughs. Lil Wyte especially is a clown.

I do like DJ Paul and Juicy J's production, though.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Buck, nothing against you but I never claimed they were awesome MC's.. I actually agree with you though, thier production is excellent..

Don't assume things..

[jesus sucks]

yeah i don't think three 6 are great rappers either since they mainly go on about ho's and dick sucking but they still make some of the best beats. been into them a few years now. Chapter 2: World Domination sounds terrible from the title but it's a southern classic.

[QuietStorm]

I can see why people would like Common due to his image as real hip hop, but I think he is very overrated.

[Simon]

Can't fuck with Resurrection though. Generally speaking I think almost everything of that style pales in comparison to Illmatic, but Resurrection is as good if not better.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I need some new music, give me some recommendations this instant!

[Stringer Bell]

I can see why people would like Common due to his image as real hip hop, but I think he is very overrated.

Common -- very overrated? Have you heard Resurrection or Can I Borrow a Dollar? Common is a hip-hop legend..

Check out the new album Be.. if you still think he's underrated, I question your taste in hip-hop. You like a lot of good stuff, but Common is one of a kind..

Ever heard his verse on Black Star's "Respiration"?

[QuietStorm]

Uh yeah, I've heard the new album. And all that other shit. He doesn't do much for me. Resurrection is alright.

[Suno]

Triple 6 Mafia own bitches!

[Kris P. Lettus]

Triple 6 Mafia own bitches!

:cool:

Where the fuck have you been??

[TapOut]

Kris, nothing against you, but Three Six is not good rap. They have good beats, and some of the underground stuff is interesting, but they're not talented. They've got some of the corniest lyrics in the game, and are really only good for laughs. Lil Wyte especially is a clown.

I do like DJ Paul and Juicy J's production, though.

Yeah, that's crap. They can have some funny stuff, but most of their songs aren't. Have you even listened to them? Or are you just basing them off of one or two songs you may have heard?

They are some of the best non-commercially played rappers around. They even made me like a song with ICP in it.

[Suno]

:cool:

Where the fuck have you been??


Dunno mate, its all been a daze, but i got the urge to come see what a gwarn round these here ends, who still about? garunteed to see that fassi ole RiJ tho init?

[Suno]

Yeah, that's crap. They can have some funny stuff, but most of their songs aren't. Have you even listened to them? Or are you just basing them off of one or two songs you may have heard?

They are some of the best non-commercially played rappers around. They even made me like a song with ICP in it.

Hell Yeh, problem is most of 3-6's best ish aint easily accessable, fortunatly I got a fat grip on alot of the best material, The End, Mystic Styles, Underground vol 1, chapter 2: world domination, that one with ICP from sixty 6 sixty 1 is a fuckin riddem, 'Just Another Crazy Click', juicy comes raw as fook mate, 'if u see me on the dope train then Im the dope man........'

funny thing is lil john is blowing up beyong belief, bringing crunk hip hop to the masses, but three 6 are one of the godfathers in that style and do it best been holding it down scince fucking way back but still I see some haters, end of the day for what it is, its great shit imo, something to move yo ass too.

[TapOut]

funny thing is lil john is blowing up beyong belief, bringing crunk hip hop to the masses, but three 6 are one of the godfathers in that style and do it best been holding it down scince fucking way back but still I see some haters, end of the day for what it is, its great shit imo, something to move yo ass too.

EXACTLY.

Funny thing is, I was going to post that. I was going to say that Three Six were one of, if not the inventors and innovators of the style many people call "crunk", but I thought someone would just jump my ass and challenge me by naming some unknown joe who had a similar style, so I didn't post it. But since you had the same idea as me, I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

Yeah, 3-6 kick ass. Lil' Jon is brining it to the masses, but Three Six have been doing it non-stop for years now.

[QuietStorm]

Hip hop doesn't get much better than what Sage Francis and Tonedeff created this year. Aesop Rock gets a mention as well, but that is more for "The Living Human Curiosity Sideshow" than the actual EP.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Dunno mate, its all been a daze, but i got the urge to come see what a gwarn round these here ends, who still about? garunteed to see that fassi ole RiJ tho init?

you knows this!

:heart:

what you listening to these days blud?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Hip hop doesn't get much better than what Sage Francis and Tonedeff created this year.

Do elaborate and point me in the right direction...

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, that's crap. They can have some funny stuff, but most of their songs aren't. Have you even listened to them? Or are you just basing them off of one or two songs you may have heard?

They are some of the best non-commercially played rappers around. They even made me like a song with ICP in it.

Have I ever listened to them? I own a lot of their work. They're good party music, but they have NO talent lyrically. Why would I bash an artist based off of one or two songs? :wtf:

Non-commercially played? Their last CD did have a very heavily played MTV single and video (which was a junk song, I might add).

And "crunk" sucks... so it doesn't really matter who started it.

Back to my original point, Three Six have good production but horrible lyrics. Hip-hop is my thing, and any head (QuietStorm?) can vouch that Three Six is junk.

[Stringer Bell]

that one with ICP from sixty 6 sixty 1 is a fuckin riddem, 'Just Another Crazy Click', juicy comes raw as fook mate, 'if u see me on the dope train then Im the dope man........'


:rofl:

Some people should not be allowed to listen to rap.

[Simon]

Some people won't be posting here again for a few days if they don't lose the attitude.

[Stringer Bell]

Some people won't be posting here again for a few days if they don't lose the attitude.

Huh? What attitude? I simply disagree that "if u see me on the dope train then Im the dope man........" is "raw as fook mate", and I find it humorous someone actually thinks so..

Seriously, how does what I posted justify a ban?

[Simon]

Laughing at someone and saying they shouldn't listen to rap, that's inappropriate. If you're so knowledgeable, by all means make the man look a fool by actually arguing your point and showing him where he's going wrong. I didn't say what you did was bannable, but the general attitude won't be tolerated for long.

In any case, Suno would most probably school you on hip-hop in general, so your laughing is at best misguided, at worst just plain foolish.

[Stringer Bell]

Laughing at someone and saying they shouldn't listen to rap, that's inappropriate. If you're so knowledgeable, by all means make the man look a fool by actually arguing your point and showing him where he's going wrong. I didn't say what you did was bannable, but the general attitude won't be tolerated for long.

In any case, Suno would most probably school you on hip-hop in general, so your laughing is at best misguided, at worst just plain foolish.

I was using sarcasm. Obviously, everyone's gonna like different styles. I still don't see what was inappropriate about my post though, as any hip-hop head would find that dope man/dope train couplet laughable.

There's really no point to argue. Go to ohhla.com or any other site with a large collection of hip-hop lyrics. Compare the lyrics of Three Six to those of more talented artists, like GZA, Talib Kweli, Common, J Live, Nas, Ghostface.. the list goes on. Even a majority of mainstream acts, from well respected ones like Jay-Z to the weaker acts like The Game, have better lyrics than Three Six. They're just not good at writing raps, unless of course you're into simple, corny, "funny" lyrics. I've heard plenty of Three Six, from Mystic Styles to the newest effort, Choice Pt. 2. I don't hate them, but anyone who thinks they have good lyrics would be flat-out amazed by what else is out there.

I'm not gonna argue that I'm a bigger hip-hop head than Suno, cause I could very well be wrong. But he seems to be quite the Three Six fan... :D

[Dan The Man]

They're not going for lyrics though. It would be like trashing Kweli because you can't get down to his stuff in a dance club.

Styles work within genres. To say that any one is more important to, or more indicative of, the genre than another is tempting, but ultimately impossible.

[hed]

Mike Jones says his own name alot in his album :\

[Stringer Bell]

Mike Jones says his own name alot in his album :\

Yeah, that's his lame ass gimmick..

Dan, I know they aren't going for lyrics. The fact is, most true hip-hop heads appreciate quality lyrics and elements of true hip-hop. Three Six doesn't hold either of those qualities, so they're not one of my favorites. Like I said, I don't hate them, but praising their lyrics is nonsense.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Buck, you're such a f'n hypocritical asshole.. You make broad generalistion about different styles of Hip Hop and think you're special cause you own some Sage Francis and Aesop Rock.. You have no right to judge people's tastes because they differ from yours.. I'm from the South and like alot of Dirty South shit.. I've known David Banner for years and used to watch him rap over folks beatboxing.. Sorry I dig folks rapping about crack and "bussin heads" because that's what I grew up around.. This doesn't mean I "don't know the true elements of Hip Hop" and I "should not be allowed to listen to rap".. Maybe us as Hip Hop fans should stop internally hating each other, when there's plenty of that coming from the outside..

p.s. I like everything from Eghtball & MJG to UGK to J5 to Sage Francis.. With that in mind and as I already said, you might not want to make broad assumtion cause they tend to be wrong..

:yes:

p.p.s. Whacha niggas know about the Dirty South??

[Seanny One Ball]

p.p.s. Whacha niggas know about the Dirty South??



Very little...I recall you telling me to buy David Banner's first album and then when I was in Canada I found it and bought something else instead :\

I do have a Juvenile album though, heh, used to love that song "ha" and all of it's 6,000 incarnations.

How about you reccommend a couple of Dirty Southern classics so that I know what's good?

[Kris P. Lettus]

Goodie Mob-Soul Food
Eightball & MJG-On Top of the World, On the Outside Looking In
UGK-Ridin Dirty
Three 6 Mafia-Ch. 1 The End, Ch. 2 World Domination
P.A.- My Life, Your Entertainment
Mystical-Mind of Mystical
OutKast-southernplayalisticaddilacmusik, ATLiens


Yeah, that's a good start..

[TapOut]

Have I ever listened to them? I own a lot of their work. They're good party music, but they have NO talent lyrically. Why would I bash an artist based off of one or two songs? :wtf:

Non-commercially played? Their last CD did have a very heavily played MTV single and video (which was a junk song, I might add).

And "crunk" sucks... so it doesn't really matter who started it.

Back to my original point, Three Six have good production but horrible lyrics. Hip-hop is my thing, and any head (QuietStorm?) can vouch that Three Six is junk.

One song and one video isn't commercial in the sense of people like Lil' Jon, Master P, and others who made southern classics yet get MASSIVE air-play and media coverage.

And "crunk" sucks so it doesn't matter who started it? Yeah, that makes a LOT of sense... I guess "Pop" sucks too so it doesn't really mattered who started that either.....

[TapOut]

Yeah, that's his lame ass gimmick..

Dan, I know they aren't going for lyrics. The fact is, most true hip-hop heads appreciate quality lyrics and elements of true hip-hop.

....Which is why many people who enjoy hip-hop enjoy three six......

If you personally don't like the lyrics, that's fine, but they are highly respected in the rap business.

Take a look at what some people think...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004S80U/qid=1114739137/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-4135880-1843017?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009MGQS/qid=1114739137/sr=8-5/ref=pd_ka_1/103-4135880-1843017?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

And by the way, When The Smoke Clears was one of the best rap albums of the last 8 years or so, in my opinion.

[Stringer Bell]

Amazon.com music reviews are credible? Since when? Hell, even you could submit a review :(

Three Six do not have quality lyrics. Fifteen year olds could come up with more clever lines.

Sorry, but if you think When The Smoke Clears is one of the best rap albums in the last 8 years, you haven't heard nearly enough rap. Tapout, you're obviously not a big rap fan, so why bother arguing?

Kris.. calm down bud. I've said numerous times I'm not dogging Three Six, I don't even hate them. I've also made I clear that I recognize everyone has their own taste.. so where do you come off with that nonsense? I'm simply pointing out that Three Six are horrid lyricists and untalented. Did I trash talk Banner? I respect the hell out of Banner's work behind the boards. Also, where'd I mention Aesop or Sage Francis? Not a fan of either. Oh, and..."Sorry I dig folks rapping about crack and "bussin heads" because that's what I grew up around." :rofl: :D I've seen your pics, not to mention 80% of junk mainstream rap today contains the exact same subject matter. Coincidence? I think not.

Everyone knows Goodie Mobb and Outkast are trendsetters, they have been from day one. UGK aren't bad at all either, definitely southern pioneers (along with 8ball and MJG). But Mystikal? Are you kidding?

Also Kris, where's the Geto Boys? Surely for such a southern enthusiast you'd be into Texas pioneers..

Anyway, ya'll enjoy whatever you like. I'm still :rofl: at the Amazon reviews and best rap album in the last eight years comments.

On the other hand, to see how southern rap should be done, check out stuff from Outkast, Geto Boys, Cunninlynguists, etc. Hell, Ludacris is ten times as talented and creative as any member of Three Six.

Let me guess, big Master P fans too?

Peace and love buddies :cool:

[QuietStorm]

Cunninlynguists are fucking class. Can't wait for A Piece of Strange.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Sorry, but if you think When The Smoke Clears is one of the best rap albums in the last 8 years, you haven't heard nearly enough rap. Tapout, you're obviously not a big rap fan, so why bother arguing?

so where do you come off with that nonsense?

You keep saying how you respect other's opinions yet costantly talk shit about other's opinions.. That might be where I'm getting this "nonsense"..

And sup with the comment about my pics?? Cause I'm white?? 70% of pictures of me online are from the past year.. In that time I've moved to a completly new city, hang out with completly different people than I grew up with, and am doing well for myself.. You don't know me well enough to judge, home boy.. I've had more guns pulled on me and been locked up more times than I'd like to mention.. Fuck sake, I've even been shot by my own people..

Again, you don't know me well enough to judge..

Your major mistake is these assumptions..which you keep making and continue to look like asshole..

p.s.Mind of Mystical is a great album both lyrically and production-wise.. Give it a listen before you speak on it..

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, the pics comment exposes you as a racist cunt Buck. Uncalled for.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, the pics comment exposes you as a racist cunt Buck. Uncalled for.

A racist cunt? Haha, what?! I'm white, but I don't put on some act like I live a hard life -- I have no idea how that comment makes me a "racist cunt". This kid is acting like he's lived some hard life in the ghetto, yet he looks like a chubby Abercrombie model. This is the internet, so naturally we judge with whatever factors we're presented with. I'm sorry, but you can cut the fucking act, "home boy". Go buss some heads.

I mean, really, who has to come on the internet and spout off that they've been locked up, shot up, etc.? Are you really that desperate for some street cred? If your life was as hard as you make it out to be, you wouldn't be talking about it like it's cool on the fucking internet.

http://l00071.myspace.com/00071/46/42/71842464_l.jpg

Anyway, I'm done. Save the shit about your hood life son, I won't be reading it. End.

[Stringer Bell]

You keep saying how you respect other's opinions yet costantly talk shit about other's opinions.. That might be where I'm getting this "nonsense"..

p.s.Mind of Mystical is a great album both lyrically and production-wise.. Give it a listen before you speak on it..


One more thing, I wasn't trashing his comments. I said he hadn't heard much rap in the last 8 years, which is clearly true.

I've heard Mind of Mystical, the shit before he joined No Limit. There's nothing great about it. Come on, how can you dig Southernplayalistic, but then listen to that garbage?

[Seanny One Ball]

Goodie Mob-Soul Food
Eightball & MJG-On Top of the World, On the Outside Looking In
UGK-Ridin Dirty
Three 6 Mafia-Ch. 1 The End, Ch. 2 World Domination
P.A.- My Life, Your Entertainment
Mystical-Mind of Mystical
OutKast-southernplayalisticaddilacmusik, ATLiens


Yeah, that's a good start..



I have ATliens :yes: I love that album, stuck the title track on the moment I read your post :cool:

I used to be a Mystikal fan but then I stalled over buying Tarantula after the replay value of Lets Get Ready failed on me. What's the album content in Mind Of Mystikal and when was it released?

Also - would you reccommend Banner's shit over any of the ones you listed?

[Stringer Bell]

I have ATliens :yes: I love that album, stuck the title track on the moment I read your post :cool:

I used to be a Mystikal fan but then I stalled over buying Tarantula after the replay value of Lets Get Ready failed on me. What's the album content in Mind Of Mystikal and when was it released?

Also - would you reccommend Banner's shit over any of the ones you listed?

I'm not Kris, but I'd love to get back on topic

ATLiens and Southernplayalistic are phenominal records. If you want to further your Outkast listening, check out their third album, Aquemini. It's damn good, their last flawless work in my opinion.

Mind of Mystikal was released in October of 1995. Personally, he doesn't impress me, so I'll let Kris handle the content side for you.

Personally, Banner's a hell of a producer, but his album's aren't that great. He's not a very good rapper, which detracts from a lot of his songs. But if you want some insane modern southern beats, definitely check out any of Banner's stuff. He's a genuis producer.

I'd say Goodie, Eightball & MJG (for historic purposes at least), UGK, PA (especially earlier stuff than My Life), and Outkast are all better than Banner. But I'd recommend some Banner over Three Six or Mystikal anyday.

If you're really into southern rap, you gotta peep the Geto Boys. Their early albums were especially ground-breaking, and Anti-Rap groups at the time were going crazy trying to get them to tone down the lyrics. Check out the albums We Can't Be Stopped and Grip it On Another Level. Grip It was later re-mixed by famous rap pioneer Rick Rubin, as a self-titled album. That one's quite good too.

Hope that helps.

[Dan The Man]

This kid is acting like he's lived some hard life in the ghetto, yet he looks like a chubby Abercrombie model.

Yeah, nobody's ever made it out of the ghetto... what an insane concept, going from growing up in the worst neighborhoods of this country to becoming successful and escaping that life... and in a hip-hop thread of all places... just ludicrous, Krispy...

Why don't you go bump more of your shitty "artwork" before you drown in false assumptions...

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, nobody's ever made it out of the ghetto... what an insane concept, going from growing up in the worst neighborhoods of this country to becoming successful and escaping that life... and in a hip-hop thread of all places... just ludicrous, Krispy...

Why don't you go bump more of your shitty "artwork" before you drown in false assumptions...

Surely people have made it out of the ghetto. Sorry, it's just not believable to me that some dude taking pictures with Paris Hilton has led a rough life. Also, like I said.. if your life was really that tough, would you have to brag about it on the 'net?

I bumped one picture, and you're still bitching about it. I guess I really know how to push your buttons, huh? :)

[Dan The Man]

Yeah, if I have one button it's overly-smug dipshits who continually make false assumptions.

And man, you're not even pushing it anymore; you've got that thing held down like there's no tomorrow...

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, if I have one button it's overly-smug dipshits who continually make false assumptions.

And man, you're not even pushing it anymore; you've got that thing held down like there's no tomorrow...

Good fucking deal :)

Mind cleaning up these last four posts so we can stay on-topic? I know I'm part to blame, but really, before the thread gets ruined..

[Dan The Man]

I kind of like leaving them up, as a testament to how little knowledge you base your opinions on... so if someone comes in here and sees you recommend something, they'll also see all the things you've said about Krispy based on some pictures which you apparently don't even know the context of and hopefully they'll come to the conclusion the rest of us have: "He doesn't know shit about shit."

It's for the good of the thread, really...

[Stringer Bell]

I kind of like leaving them up, as a testament to how little knowledge you base your opinions on... so if someone comes in here and sees you recommend something, they'll also see all the things you've said about Krispy based on some pictures which you apparently don't even know the context of and hopefully they'll come to the conclusion the rest of us have: "He doesn't know shit about shit."

It's for the good of the thread, really...

Riight..

If there's one thing I do know about, it's hip-hop. But whatever you wish, good sir :)

[Kris P. Lettus]

Yeah the simple fact I've met celebrities, am chubby and look modelesque makes it in no way possible, that I've had a rough life..

I guess having pics with other celebs makes someone like Tupac's past all a lie too, right??

Good logic there, chief..

Oh, and it's not really bragging when I am mearly defending myself once you attempted to flame me about the "bussin heads" comment..

You want to see pictures??

Click (http://forums.rajah.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=586&stc=1)

The light skinned black dude, throwing up the G.D. sign in the front is Sleepy Willow.. He's a rapper/producer I grew up with and considered a good friend.. About two monthes after that picture was taken, he, on a drinking and coke binge, shot me, after a drunken fist fight..

Again, you should prolly stop making assumptions, cause you're the one coming out looking like an asshole..

ON TOPIC

SB@, Mind of Mystical is great.. Mystical was one of the first "gangsta" rappers that used the fast style.. (I know about Twista old shit, when he was called "Tounge Twista" but meh..) Download "Beware" to get a nice feel for his old shit.. That album is far suprieor to the No Limit shit.. If you want, I'll go into the OLDSKOOL Mystical/Cash Money (then known as UNLV) feud.. A member of UNLV killed his sister.. All pretty fucked up..

:yes:

p.s.And both Banner's albums are worth buying, but then again, I am slight;y biased..

[Cubed-Sphere]

Samples of 6 songs from John Cena's album found here:
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/john_cena/index.jsp

That's only 6 songs out of 17, sounds pretty decent so far.

[TapOut]

Surely people have made it out of the ghetto. Sorry, it's just not believable to me that some dude taking pictures with Paris Hilton has led a rough life. Also, like I said.. if your life was really that tough, would you have to brag about it on the 'net?

I bumped one picture, and you're still bitching about it. I guess I really know how to push your buttons, huh? :)

Don't you see Kanye West dancing with Anna Nicole Smith in a music video? Don't you see some ghetto-ass people audition for American Idol? (hell, some of them make it on the show). I know plenty of hardcore gangsters, although it's not a lifestyle (obviously) that I live, and they would probably jump at a chance to have their pic taken with any celebrity.

Tupac did a movie with Janet Jackson, for fucks sake...

[TapOut]

Samples of 6 songs from John Cena's album found here:
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/john_cena/index.jsp

That's only 6 songs out of 17, sounds pretty decent so far.

Thank you for this.... I've been waiting for them to put up some samples.

I downloaded "Hustler Remix" with Murs in which John Cena features, and I was impressed.

These, too, are quite impressive.

Thanks bro.

Edit* Oh yeah, Buck..... as for the sarcastic "big Master P fans too, huh?" remark... yea, I am. He single-handedly brought the big-time rap group craze back to the forefront. Once No Limit started dropping albums, you had Cash Money basically repeat the success and many of the songs were even in the same style.

And Master P IS a huge souther talent, whether you would like to admit it or not. He wasn't discovered overnight by Eminem like so many other new "rappers" are today: he built his reputation hard and heavy down there before hitting it big. Like him or not, denying his contributions to hip-hop in the late 90's would be absolutely retarded.

[Kris P. Lettus]

And he's now worth like 837 billion dollars..

[.invurzion.]

Master P, although I'm not a big fan of his music, did bring some much needed "dirty south" into the main stream...for me anyway. I never really paid any attention to rap from down south - I was more of the main stream type of listener.

[Kris P. Lettus]

P brought the Dirty Dirty into the mainstream.. Before him you had acts like Arested Development, alittle OutKast, etc but nothing major.. Anyone who denies what Percy Miller did for the rap industry is a f'n moron..

KPL: Bout it, Bout it

[Cubed-Sphere]

Though I don't like Master P, he really laid the foundation for Luda and Lil' Jon's style. Not that I like those artists, either, but many people do and that's cool with me.

[TapOut]

When you look at 1998 and 1999, Master P and the No Limit Soldiers almost had a monopoly on the rap game..... Master P, Mystikal, Kane and Abel, Mr. Servon, C-Murder, Silk The Shocker, Lil' Soldiers (where the lil' soldiers at?), Mercedes, and tons of other affiliates. Even Snoop joined up with the No Limit Soldiers.

Hell, look at the album covers: No Limit started using that iced-out tank, and then how many people did you see use basically exactly the same thing on thier labels? Cash Money used an iced-out cash symbol.

Hell, for Buck to laugh down at Master P.. he had so many cuts...these were ALL popular rap songs:

Crazy About Ya
Black and White
I Always Feel Like
Mr. Ice Cream Man
Call Me When You Need Some
No Limit Soldiers
I Miss My Homies
RIP Kevin
Hoody Hoo
Bout Dat
Bourbans and Lacs
OoohWeee
If
I Don't Want You No More
Tru Homies

And those are only the ones I can think of at the top of my head......

[Fro]

Make em say uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

[Kris P. Lettus]

When you look at 1998 and 1999, Master P and the No Limit Soldiers almost had a monopoly on the rap game.....

They we huge round here way before that..


"Bout it, Bout it" (I have to mention that in that video P's wearing an Archie Manning jersey :heart: )was like a ghetto anthem in like '95 when TRU-True came out.. Soon to be followed by P's solo shit Ice Cream Man in '96.. By the time Ghetto Dope came out in '97 it was over.. No Limit brought the Dirty South to the world..

The thing about Master P is, he had a plan and executed it to perfection.. Get noticed on the underground enough to get your foot in the door of the "mainsteam".. Then flood the fuck outta the market until people get tired of your shit, all the while making yourself a millionaire.. And it took less than five years.. How can you hate on that?? Can't knock the man's hustle..

p.s. Fiend, Mystical, C Murder, and Snoop are all excellent MC's..

[Kris P. Lettus]

On a completly different note, I'm addicted to that Yin Yang Twins' track "whisper song"..

I have no idea why..

:ashamed:

[Stringer Bell]

I know Master P had popular rap songs. Just because stuff is popular doesn't mean it's quality though, look at J-Kwon's "Tipsy"... Master P was always wack as hell in my opinion. A lot of those songs weren't even popular singles though, just random tracks you picked :wtf: "Black and White"? "RIP Kevin"?

That "Wait" song is horrid... I can't believe it's so popular :( Wait til you see my dick, hey bitch, I'm gonna beat that pussy up..

[Stringer Bell]

p.s. Fiend, Mystical, C Murder, and Snoop are all excellent MC's..


Come on now man...

I'll let Mystikal slide. But Fiend and C Murder? I've heard plenty of their work, hell, I even own C's Life or Death and Bossalinie (or whatever it was called). They're straight garbage. No Limit didn't have good lyricists, period. And Snoop? Snoop hasn't been excellent since '94...

[Seanny One Ball]

ON TOPIC

SB@, Mind of Mystical is great.. Mystical was one of the first "gangsta" rappers that used the fast style.. (I know about Twista old shit, when he was called "Tounge Twista" but meh..) Download "Beware" to get a nice feel for his old shit.. That album is far suprieor to the No Limit shit.. If you want, I'll go into the OLDSKOOL Mystical/Cash Money (then known as UNLV) feud.. A member of UNLV killed his sister.. All pretty fucked up..

:yes:

p.s.And both Banner's albums are worth buying, but then again, I am slight;y biased..


I get my dole money soon, I'll probably buy Mind of Mystikal if I like Beware :beer:

I would like to hear more about this feud though, sounds pretty fucked up.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Liking the new Zion I.

:yes:

[TapOut]

I know Master P had popular rap songs. Just because stuff is popular doesn't mean it's quality though, look at J-Kwon's "Tipsy"... Master P was always wack as hell in my opinion. A lot of those songs weren't even popular singles though, just random tracks you picked :wtf: "Black and White"? "RIP Kevin"?

That "Wait" song is horrid... I can't believe it's so popular :( Wait til you see my dick, hey bitch, I'm gonna beat that pussy up..

No... in ANY Ghetto, people are going to know the songs Black and White and RIP Kevin....... ask someone who listens to a fair amount of rap if they don't know the lyrics "I'm just a black man trapped in a white world! And this goes to every woman, man, boy and girl!"..... it was a popular song.

[THE jANK]

This thread makes me laugh. 95% of you mutha fuckas posting in here are about as hip hop as a Star Wars convention in Idaho.

Went to see Scarface this past Thursday night and it was a blazin show. What else would you expect from Face? If I can remember it went something like:

Came out, thanked the crowd to about a 3 minute pop
Said he was doing a Geto Boys finale tour and that's it but he's is gonna stop here for a date. WOOOO
Mr. Scarface
Look Into My Eyes
Tupac shout-out and dropped "Smile"
Let Me Roll
Mind Playin Tricks
He dissed mutha fuckas who claimed their shit was "chopped & screwed" but it aint cuz DJ Screw is not among the living. RIP Screw :cry: He said they need to say their shit was "slowed down" :lol:
Hold Em Down
Never Seen A Man Die
Intrumental of a few jams that the crowd sang along to
It's Going Down Tonight
Fuck Faces
Mary Jane (Blew up the stage)
Jesse James (Blew up the fuckin spot)
Money and the Power (Blew the roof off)
Then he hollered at that bitch fool 50 and dropped "G-Code"
Groupie freaks were pulled onsatge left and right by his homeboys onstage and that's it.

I really wanted to hear "I'm Black" and verse from G.E.T.O. Dude has awesome, chilling stage presence.

My boy Mr. Mike got a shout-out from Face but didn't perform. Opening acts were Partners in Crime who just signed to Rap-A-Lot/UTP, some bitch from Beamont and some local jabronies.

What's really bumpin in Texas right now is that "G-Code" by Geto Boys, Paul Wall is the realest white boy; "Sideways" gets mad play. Mike Jones going national is overkill now. Slim Thugga is king (gonna move 200 plus first week), Chamillionaire, Swisha House alum basically. Weebie bumps, Louisiana cats get mad love. T.I. is real, Bun B. is everyfuckinwhere cuz he is a legend. We don't claim Lil Flip anymore. Dirty South reppin everyone, Luda, Trick Daddy, etc.

Memphis Bleek and Young Gunz will be here on Tuesday. Never really liked em even when I was living in NYC. But for $3, I'll be their mayin.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Just because stuff is popular doesn't mean it's quality though

A lot of those songs weren't even popular singles though, just random tracks you picked :wtf: "Black and White"? "RIP Kevin"?

First you bitch about popular singles only to come right back in the same post and state how they're not popular singles??

O_o

And we know you don't like most Southern rap so why do you continue to bitch about it?? We've been on Dirty South shit for like 3 pages and you've done nothing but complain and claim you're a "true Hip Hop head" all the while disrespecting fan of the South..

p.s. jANKy, you saw Face, you lucky motherfucker??

:mad:

:jealous:

He needs to come down here..

p.p.s.You got the new Geto Boys cd?? Haven't heard any of it or reviews but ev erything they've ever put out is quality.. Willie D is mad underrated..

[Stringer Bell]

First you bitch about popular singles only to come right back in the same post and state how they're not popular singles??

O_o

And we know you don't like most Southern rap so why do you continue to bitch about it?? We've been on Dirty South shit for like 3 pages and you've done nothing but complain and claim you're a "true Hip Hop head" all the while disrespecting fan of the South..

p.s. jANKy, you saw Face, you lucky motherfucker??

:mad:

:jealous:

He needs to come down here..

p.p.s.You got the new Geto Boys cd?? Haven't heard any of it or reviews but ev erything they've ever put out is quality.. Willie D is mad underrated..


I disrespect the bad music of the south. The south has plenty of good acts.

The new Geto Boys CD is average. Not up to par with their past work. You'd probably love it.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The new Geto Boys CD is average. Not up to par with their past work. You'd probably love it.

It's comments like that that make you an asshole..

Eat a dick..

:yes:

[Stringer Bell]

It's comments like that that make you an asshole..

Eat a dick..

:yes:

Comments like that are so true though. Truthfully, they haven't necessarily changed their style, but are definitely trying to appeal to a broader audience. I think you'd enjoy it, but I don't. How's that asshole? And "eat a dick"? Aren't we above that by now, Kris?

[Simon]

We're all above the bickering. Come on lads, drop it.

[Stringer Bell]

I've tried to a few times now HBK.

Anyway, what's everyone most hyped for this year?

I'm still awaiting the retail of Common's LP. Supposedly it's gonna have a few more tracks, and of course much better sound quality. Raekwon and Ghost are supposed to be putting out Only Built For Cuban Linx 2 sometime this year, shit should be great if they stick to the classic blueprint. Sway and Tech droppin Back to Basics, looks good. Then Guru got Version 7.0. Beyond that, I dunno what to get hyped for...

[Seanny One Ball]

I've tried to a few times now HBK.




Hahahaha

[TapOut]

I've tried to a few times now HBK.

Anyway, what's everyone most hyped for this year?

I'm still awaiting the retail of Common's LP. Supposedly it's gonna have a few more tracks, and of course much better sound quality. Raekwon and Ghost are supposed to be putting out Only Built For Cuban Linx 2 sometime this year, shit should be great if they stick to the classic blueprint. Sway and Tech droppin Back to Basics, looks good. Then Guru got Version 7.0. Beyond that, I dunno what to get hyped for...

I'm looking foward to Fat Joe's new album. Not exactly the most hardcore or underground stuff, but don't try to deny Joe Crack's credibility....

I'm looking foward to Kanye's new one too, no doubt.

[RockOverBoston]

This thread makes me laugh. 95% of you mutha fuckas posting in here are about as hip hop as a Star Wars convention in Idaho.

And just like that, a Quote of the Year candidate emerges.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I :heart: Beanie's new shit..

Looking forward to ODB's actual Roc release and the possible M.O.P. Roc release..

[Adamy]

Mike Jones going national is overkill now.

The MTV cross-promotion is getting old, but Mike Jones is the best. All he does is just say his name.

[Seanny One Ball]

Hey, Snoop made a career out of it :beer:

[spanish announce table]

ODB's next album "Ason Unique" has guest spots from Lil Fame, Nore, Meth, Ghost, Rae, RZA, Clipse and a few others, and production by RZA, Neptunes, Dame Grease and some others I cant remember. Should be dope.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Anyone else reckon The W is under-rated? Blasted it out this morning, and love that album! Okay, there's a lot of big guests on their, and there are better Wu songs, but that album is still fresh to me.

Also, any fans of the Wu must but the manual, MUST!

Can I get a suuuuue!

[Stringer Bell]

Nah, can't say I fucked with The W too much, and I'm a hardcore Wu fan. Iron Flag was much better.

Beanie's shit is definitely good, Kris. Lots of real talk from Beanie, even if he's not the illest on the mic. And that production? It's nuts. Hot ass album.

Tap.. Fat Joe's record will be good, if only for the beats alone. The man's got Scott Storch and Cool & Dre as home team producers, it's gonna be dope.

Same for Kanye.. can't wait to see what crazy shit he's come with now. "Diamonds are Forever" is a good track.

[Adamy]

Hey, Snoop made a career out of it :beer:

I guess, but having lines like "Mike Jones new album be coming out soon" and then rhyming it with "Mike Jones new album be coming out soon" is just genius.

[Stringer Bell]

Mike Jones is just lame, period. I respect all the Texas shit, Swishahouse and all. Mike has never impressed me too much though. He can be fun to listen to, but he doesn't have skills.

Another thing about Cena's album... he's got some suprisingly fresh beats. Anyone know who produced this shit?

[Adamy]

Mike Jones is my friend on the Facebook. I will not stand for you talking bad about him.

Mike Jones! Hit me up at 281-330-8004!

All the Screw stuff coming out the Third Coast is gloriously weird.

[Cubed-Sphere]

On a completly different note, I'm addicted to that Yin Yang Twins' track "whisper song"..

I have no idea why..

:ashamed:
Oh man, I really don't wanna knock on ya, but that's a horrible song. The lyrics are pure trash.

[Adamy]

Just wait 'tll you see my dick
Just wait 'tll you see my dick

:rofl:

The beat sucks too. Everything about that song is so terrible, and that makes it totally awesome.

[Dan The Man]

Maybe now you can answer my Questions thread, uh, question (http://forums.rajah.com/showpost.php?p=3324206&postcount=249).

[Adamy]

Oh yeah. Best chorus ever.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Yin Yang twins are garbage but that song rules.. Beat is tight as fuck and I :heart: the whole concept.. It's like, what going on in your head when you're about to get laid..

I'ma beat that pussy up!!1!

p.s. Screwed shit use to be better, you know, when Screw was still alive..

[Cubed-Sphere]

Yin Yang twins are garbage but that song rules.. Beat is tight as fuck and I :heart: the whole concept.. It's like, what going on in your head when you're about to get laid..

I'ma beat that pussy up!!1!

p.s. Screwed shit use to be better, you know, when Screw was still alive..
My man from Houston said the exact same thing.

[Adamy]

Some of the Chopped 'n' Screwed remixes I hear seem like they'd only make sense if you drink a lot of cough syrup, but a lot of it is just so out there that I respect it. Screw was definitely awesome, though.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The only Screwed shit I own is UGK's greatest hit's Chopped and Screwed by DJ Screw..

Quality..

[Adamy]

The hip thing to do now is just release a whole remix album of Chopped 'n' Screwed versions of each song from the real album. Mike Jones did it, I think David Banner did it to.

[Kris P. Lettus]

That's been the "in" thing to do in the South for some time..

Banner di do it, twice..

I'll say again, Screwed shit was better when Screw was still alive..

On a different note, my boy from Chicago burned me a shit-ton of cd's.. Mostly underground shit.. Some Kool Keith, Z-Trip (dunno is that's right), and some other shit.. I'll give better discussion on it, when I haven't been at work for 14 hours..

:yes:

[Adamy]

Z-Trip is fantastic. Uneasy Listening is a classic album.

[Tom Bombadil]

Just wait 'tll you see my dick
Just wait 'tll you see my dick

:rofl:

The beat sucks too. Everything about that song is so terrible, and that makes it totally awesome.

:$ I like it, i dunno why. :happysad:

[Stringer Bell]

Mike Jones has been screwing his shit.. he's a part of Swishahouse.

Gotta agree with you, Kris. Guys like Michael 5000 Watts are decent, but no one can compare to the original Screw. His Diary of an Originator mixtapes are fucking great.

Anyone heard the new Jay-Z song, "Dear Summer", from Memphis Bleek's album? It's hot, great beat..

[McBain]

My mate is a big hip-hop fan and he's just given me a selection of stuff he's been listening to recently:

DJ Nu-Mark
DJ Format
The Herbaliser
Blackalicious
DJ Fase
MC Abdominal

Any of you guys aware of, or fans of the above? It sounds like really good stuff to me, funky with great productions and good voices, and not all of this "ho's" and cliché gang bollocks.

[Stringer Bell]

The only one of that group I've heard is Blackalicious, who is incredible. That alphabet song is like no other..

[.invurzion.]

Anyone heard the new Jay-Z song, "Dear Summer", from Memphis Bleek's album? It's hot, great beat..


Jay-Z's verse is just that freestyle he did with Flex from Hot 97 - little disappointed that it isn't anything new...

And on that note also disappointed on the entire Bleek album except for a couple of bright spots.

[Kris P. Lettus]

The original Swisha House is no more.. Only wanna be lables trying to live off Screw's legacy..

DJ Nu-Mark makes the beats for J5.. Cut Chemist is the fucking man, though..


That alphabet song is like no other..

Which one??

"A to G" or "A to Z"??

p.s. call me "krispy" not "kris".. Calling me "kris" makes you seem all formal and shit..

[Kris P. Lettus]

Jay-Z's verse is just that freestyle he did with Flex from Hot 97 - little disappointed that it isn't anything new...

99.5% of radio "freestyles" are simply verses from upcoming albums.. Listen to any of the Sway and King Tech Freestyle Mixtapes and you'll see what I mean..

[Seanny One Ball]

Krisp you're developing some sort of thing about your name, t'is weird.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Ner..

It just irks me because it's like he's trying to be personal with me but but calling me out of my name at the same time..

:dunno:

Everyone who "knows" me calls me either Krispy, Krisp, or Mason.. You know, my real and nick name..

:\

p.s. I gedt the occational Big Boy too..

:$

[.invurzion.]

99.5% of radio "freestyles" are simply verses from upcoming albums.. Listen to any of the Sway and King Tech Freestyle Mixtapes and you'll see what I mean..


I know....just like the "Drop it like it's hot" Remix. His whole verse was the "freestyle" that he did on 106 & Park that everyone was raving over...

[QuietStorm]

This thread blows.

[Stringer Bell]

I know the Jay verse is the shit from Funk Flex, but it's obviously re-recorded and mastered (sounds 10x better), and I love the beat.

Dude, I call you Kris because of the way your username is spaced. I get that it's 'Crispy Lettuce', and I don't see how I'm trying to be formal. Does it really bother you that much?

[Adamy]

This thread blows.

We can talk about Busdriver if you want. Here, I'll start.

I saw that Th' Corn Gangg got a review on Pitchfork the other day. It makes me want to fly to L.A. and watch them be awesome.

[Seanny One Ball]

Dude, I call you Kris because of the way your username is spaced.


Done this argument to death, lads.


This thread does not suck.

[Kris P. Lettus]

New shit I'm "on":

-Handsome Boy Modeling School
-DJ Z-Trip
-DJ Shadow

Not really "new" but I've been on them hardcore for the past week..

:yes:

p.s. Who all makes apperances on the new Gorillaz?? I know the single has dude from De La Soul, bhut who eles is on it?? Del??

[Stringer Bell]

DJ Shadow is phenominal. Endtroducing has some of the best sampling I've ever heard..

Isn't Del in Gorillaz? If not, my mistake..

[Kris P. Lettus]

Ner..

He does alot of shit with them but supposedly they have alot of cameos.. Like, he's not on the new single.. It's the big dude from De La Soul..

[Matthew]

Technicall, if you want to get that way, Del is part of the Gorillaz, I remember them saying the rapping comes from the soul of the drummer or something and it comes out during song and shit.

P.S. HSMS is the shiiiiit, I have liked just chiliin to that in the concrete quad lately before finals.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I thought they had a few guys that rapped for them.. All being part of the group cause it never says "Gorillaz featuring ______".. It's always just "Gorillaz"..

:dunno:

[Matthew]

Exactly, Del is part of the band

[Kris P. Lettus]

Is the dude from De La Soul part of the band??

[Matthew]

I'd take it as a yes.

they are cartoons and don't follow any real pattern, so they can just incorporate anyone into the band really I guess.

From Amazon:

With producer Dan "the Automator" Nakamura gone, Albarn, a.k.a. 2D, has paired up with DJ Danger Mouse (responsible for the infamous Grey Album that illegally mixed the Beatles and Jay-Z) to steer the musical ship, while a whole new slew of guests enlivens the proceedings. Albarn has described Demon Days as being darker, but there's a real kooky dance-party vibe coursing through the CD. Despite its somber tone, "Kids with Guns" is lifted by a killer bass line, for instance, while the catchy first single, "Feel Good Inc," is augmented by an appealing contribution from De La Soul. Other noteworthy guests include Roots Manuva and Tricky collaborator Martina Topley-Bird on the dubby "All Alone" and Happy Mondays singer Shaun Ryder on the bouncy "DARE." And yet it's a 69-year-old actor who gets to deliver the most baffling contribution--just listen to Dennis Hopper's spoken-word narrative on "Fire Coming Out of the Monkey's Head." Elisabeth

I didn't know Dan the Automator was gone. DJ Danger Mous I wouldn't expect either. But it seems as if two members from De La Soul appear on Feel Good Inc.

[Croc]

Dan says:

Del, Automater, and Kid Koala (ie. DELTRON) came up with the concept for Gorillaz, but Automater is the only one of those three who actually has a hand in everything... Automater would be "in" Gorillaz, as are the musicians like that guy from Blur (and the artist too, I suppose), but not Del or the other rappers

edit: Apparently I can't spell 'Automator' nor was I aware of his leaving, but the point is: appearing on a track doesn't make you a part of the band, no matter what the concept behind it is

[Matthew]

Well I call his bluff.

[Adamy]

DJ Shadow is phenominal. Endtroducing has some of the best sampling I've ever heard..

You should definitely check out Z-Trip.

[Dan The Man]

Dan says:

Del, Automater, and Kid Koala (ie. DELTRON) came up with the concept for Gorillaz, but Automater is the only one of those three who actually has a hand in everything... Automater would be "in" Gorillaz, as are the musicians like that guy from Blur (and the artist too, I suppose), but not Del or the other rappers

edit: Apparently I can't spell 'Automator' nor was I aware of his leaving, but the point is: appearing on a track doesn't make you a part of the band, no matter what the concept behind it is

That was me, posting very poorly through Croc from beyond the ban, in case there was any confusion.

But yeah, it would be like saying Del or Biz or like a billion other people are part of Handsome Boy... it's just Automator and Prince Paul, everyone else is guesting/collaborating... and don't give me the stupid "they live in the drummer" story again...

PS: On a somewhat similar note actually, are Busdriver, Subtitle, and/or Vic Booze working with Th' Corn Gangg full-time, or is it going to be a rotating-based-on-location thing or what? And despite having not heard what it actually sounds like, is it wrong to still wish The Unicorns were together?

[Adamy]

They've only been playing shows since March and as far as I know only in L.A., so I guess no one really knows.

[Matthew]

That was me, posting very poorly through Croc from beyond the ban, in case there was any confusion.

But yeah, it would be like saying Del or Biz or like a billion other people are part of Handsome Boy... it's just Automator and Prince Paul, everyone else is guesting/collaborating... and don't give me the stupid "they live in the drummer" story again...

PS: On a somewhat similar note actually, are Busdriver, Subtitle, and/or Vic Booze working with Th' Corn Gangg full-time, or is it going to be a rotating-based-on-location thing or what? And despite having not heard what it actually sounds like, is it wrong to still wish The Unicorns were together?:cry:

I was just going through what I heard mang.

[QuietStorm]

A couple intros Canibus did for "Black Kobra" Dewey Cooper. He led Cooper out to the ring this past weekend, even the announcers said it was a hell of an intro.


Canibus - Black Kobra Drop 1 (http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IRW0U3NF97YS0WAXR2D5IIIYS)

Canibus - Black Kobra Drop 2 (http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=334WHSN9E5SP70L24Q50ICH5A7)

[Seanny One Ball]

Canibus is fuckin great, love Black Kobra 2. It's almost like he's gettin harder, love the style.

Black Kobra 1 is cool but not fast enough for me.

Good to see he's rapping well.


edit: 3,000 posts :beer:

Nice thread lads.

[QuietStorm]

Too bad there are those lame IM sounds in the 2nd one, kinda ruins it's mixtape appeal. Hopefully an edited version makes its way out.


And as some of you may know, his "new" album Mind Control is set for release June 21. Unfortunately, at least 9 (and possibly 10) of the 11 tracks on the list CDUniverse has appear to be old. But I am sure there has been major tweaking done in some of the tracks, which has already been apparent with the loop in "33 3's". Hopefully they can put together an entire new beat for Last Laugh. And as of now Kurupt appears to be the only guest on the album, apearing on "Not 4 Play" (Scrolls) and possibly on the hook of "Talk the Talk" if it the same as Talkin' the Talk, but I have heard a lot of heresay that it is an entirely different track. And the fact that it is the song they are making the video for I'd say that might be true.


As for Hip Hop for Sale, no new release date is set. Apparently Babygrande ordered him to make new tracks after TVM was leaked so hopefully Bis didn't burn his bridges with Nottz.

After that, I just hope he does a studio follow-up with Stoupe. That would be bananas....