Hip Hop Discussion/Album Review Thread.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I got the new Trick Daddy today.. Sounds pretty good from what I've heard..

:yes:

[Cubed-Sphere]

I guess Hip-Hop is limited to one thread, while there can be a shitload of grunge, metal and rock threads. It's the first prejudiced forums I've seen....

Anyways, Tupac is dead... his last album should have came out some time ago. Let the man die, PLEASE. The novelty of an album after death is wearing off.
The man has sold, and released, more records after death than pre-death, i think that's an amazing feat. It's not just a novelty, bro, these albums are packed with amazing tracks and messages. So as long as there are more than studio scraps lying around, and as long as the albums keep selling, why not keep releasing them?

It looks like the final 2Pac album will be released in 5 years... they have enough material for 4 more discs (probably broken up into two single-disc albums and one double-disc album).

[Simon]

I guess Hip-Hop is limited to one thread, while there can be a shitload of grunge, metal and rock threads. It's the first prejudiced forums I've seen....

Anyways, Tupac is dead... his last album should have came out some time ago. Let the man die, PLEASE. The novelty of an album after death is wearing off.
Well of course this place is likely to be biased towards metal threads, me being a huge rock fa and all.

[Seanny One Ball]

I like Kano :$

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I guess Hip-Hop is limited to one thread, while there can be a shitload of grunge, metal and rock threads. It's the first prejudiced forums I've seen....

Learn to count.

7 Threads not one.
2 Metal Threads
A few Grunge Ones
And about 20-odd general / specific ones with no genre but other small things.

So you kids can't really complain with about 15% of the forum threads while metal is lucky to make up 5%. Grunge/rock doesn't even get as many as you. It's just alot of general threads.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Well, back in the day, any Hip Hop thread would get littered with "rap sux" and "all rappers should die", etc.. This thread has really been a safe haven for Hip Hop fans..

Remember this :

I hate rap.. (http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=65365)

[Kris P. Lettus]

A_O, check out page nine..

:cool:

[Dan The Man]

Was at a spoken word show tonight and the introduction for one of the performers said he had performed with dead prez and Immortal Technique... so of course my eyebrows perked up, and this guy spits these three pieces that sound a lot like raps that he has changed the tempo to do a capella. But the point is, they were sick. Sick, powerful, Technique type stuff. You could immediately tell why Technique would like him, because their style is similar and content is just as somewhat-controversial political stuff, though this guy's stuff was more interpersonal than international.

I believe his name was Majestic, or maybe Majesty. Any of you more Technique-knowledgable guys heard (of) him?

PS: Krispy, Thug Matrimony thoughts/review? Other than that post atop the page... or ability to hook me up? :angelic:

[The Champagne]

The man has sold, and released, more records after death than pre-death, i think that's an amazing feat. It's not just a novelty, bro, these albums are packed with amazing tracks and messages. So as long as there are more than studio scraps lying around, and as long as the albums keep selling, why not keep releasing them?

It looks like the final 2Pac album will be released in 5 years... they have enough material for 4 more discs (probably broken up into two single-disc albums and one double-disc album).

Suge should just release the OG versions and call it The Vault. That will sell like crazy :eek:

[QuietStorm]

Suge should just....die or something. That would be a fun night for all.

[BoSox Rule]

From the end of Runnin' question.

Does anyone know where I can get a full text or audio of the interview that included this:

just like now im in power,everybody that love Biggie,they all like i cant wait for Biggie to come back,thats why they root for them,they rootin' for they people,and when i was gone,thats why all my niggas was like,we can't wait for him to come,they wanted a new regime,and my regime includes the East coast,it includes the West coast

[Kris P. Lettus]

PS: Krispy, Thug Matrimony thoughts/review? Other than that post atop the page... or ability to hook me up? :angelic:

It's good.. I preffer Trick Daddy's more "thuggish" songs as opposed to his "uplifting" ones.. This album only has like 4 "thug" songs..

:(

They all kick ass though..

Hit me up on AIM sometime and I'll hook you up..

[Cubed-Sphere]

"Loyal 2 The Game" Review:

1. "Soldier Like Me (Return Of The Soulja)" featuring Eminem
-Ems beat is simple. but powerful, and his sfx really help tell Pac's story like when he produced "Ghost" for the Ressurection Soundtrack. Pac's lyrics are from '92 but are advance and solid. He also has great flow/delivery and a strong message... he sounds so venomous on this track, it really helps the "solid" beat sound "great". Eminem is okay on the hook, would have been better w/o him, though.
-3.75/5 mics

2. "The Uppercut" featuring E.D.I. and Young Noble of the Outlawz
-Em's beat is str8 fire, no complaints on this beat... nice little guitar sample every 30 seconds really makes a difference. Pac's lyrics are lackluster, but once again his flow/delivery make you not give a fuck. Catchy hook by Pac and the Outlawz give an eerie verse, one of their best since the Makaveli Album, they held on their own and actually outperformed Pac in pure lyricism.
-4/5 mics

3. "Out On Bail"
-What the hell? Did 'Em just make his tightest beat ever? Okay, maybe not, but it's still f'n hott. The intro gets me psyched like a mofo and Pac's lyrics are fire... no need to say what i think of his delivery anymore :eek: Catchy hook that's sounds very 2Pac-ish, though performed by some no-name guys.
-4/5 mics

4. "Ghetto Gospel" featuring Elton John
-The beat is cool, soft and sorrow-ful, and Elton's sample fits perfectly with the song, and Pac's lyrics are once again advanced for being recorded in '91... unfortunately Pac's vocals have been slowed down to fit Em's beat instead of the other way around. Does this kill the song? Hello no, Pac's words and Elton's soul-ful voice make this a keeper, but his slow-rapping will take a few listens to get use to. Good work on the beat and special-guest Em, bad work on the most important part: Pac's flow.
-4/5 mics (Elton, the beat, and Pac's lyrics would make this a 5/5, but you know why that didn't happen)

5. "Black Cotton" featuring Eminem and Kastro and Young Noble of the Outlawz
-Dang Em is growing as a producer, this complex beat complete with acoustic and electric guitars and heavy violins fit Pac's best flow of the album perfectly. 2Pac shows that he can rap with the best of them lyrically on his single verse for this track. Em is game-tight on this hook as opposed to his one for Soldier Like Me, as he sings, not raps but really sings, beautifully in such a way that it's hard to tell it's even him. Em's hook and the Young Noble's verse are great, but Kastro's verse is lackluster.
-4.25/5 mics

6. "Loyal To The Game" featuring G-Unit
-This beat takes a nose-dive from the previous bangers and is a little bit of a letdown. Pac's flow is fast and solid, Buck's is great and Lloyd's is passable, but overall, not a "good" track when coupled with a boring, yet still kinda catchy, hook from 50 and lackluster beat. Still, Pac's and Buck's verses, and a tight bass line regardles of the rest of the beat, make it worth a listen
-3/5 mics

7. "Thugs Get Lonely Too" featuring Nate Dogg
-Club banger personified, but also something you can chill too. Nate is perfection, Pac's words are perfection, the beat is solid, but Pac's flow is a little slow again, but not as bad as on "Ghetto Gospel". Overall, though, great track.
-4/5 mics

8. "N.I.G.G.A (Never Ignorant About Getting Goals Accomplished)" featuring Jadakiss
-Another letdown of a beat, not that it's bad, but it just seems a little "empty", it basically is just a tight bass line with the samples word "Niggas" being placed every 10 seconds. Still, once again Pac's words of wisdom and flawless flow take it up a notch, Jadakiss makes for an interesting contrast in styles when his laid-back vocals are with Pac's hyped-ones, but Jada is good on this. The message of the track keeps it above water from being a dud.
-3/5 mics

9. "Who Do You Love?"
-Em redeems himself again with a tight-ass beat that really embodies Pac's lyrics. Pac's lyrics fall down a little to "The Uppercut" standards, but some nice off-rhyming and creative lines make it worthy of this great Slim Shady-produced beat.
-3.75/5 mics

10. "A Crooked Nigga Too"
-Definately not Eminem's style, but that's a good thing, he creates a beat that really fits with Pac's early-90's flow and lyrics and you wouldn't believe the beat was from him unless someone told you. Pac is raw as ever on this 3-verse banger and Em's beat couldn't be better.
-3.75/5 mics

11. "Don't You Trust Me?"
-Very Eminem-style beat, and it even features Dido, but man is this a great tracks. Beat: Awesome, Lyrics/Flow: Deep and tight, Hook: Catchy and fitting. Very sincere song from Pac, basically the "sad" version of "Thugs Get Lonely Too". One small complaint, you can tell the accapella Em had to work with wasn't in perfect quality as is all the others on this album, but Pac's voice isn't distorted or anyting to the point where it detrcts from the message and feel of the song.
-4/5 mics

12. "Hennessey" featuring Obie Trice
-Give this beat a try, i hated it at first too, but it quickly become a head-banger. 2pac's verse is okay, but it's the catchy hook and great guest flow of Obie (yes, trust me, he's tight on this) that make this track good.
-3/5 mics

13. "Thug 4 Life"
-Oriental-flavor beat by Marshall, one that surprisingly goes perfectly with 2pac's pissed-off rhymes. Not much to say, just a good solid last effore by Eminem for his production of this album.
-3.5/5 mics

BONUS TRACKS

14. "Po Nigga Blues (Scott Storch Remix)" featuring Ron Isley
-Beat starts out like it's gunna be a party track by Mr. Storch (ie Lean Back), but quickly becomes softer with pianos and strings. Isley's singing in the background help set the mood as 2Pac describes the youth's downfall around him. Beautiful song, a perfect way to end the "LP" (yes, even though it's labeled as a Bonus Track, it's the last real song before the remixes come in, so in essence, it's the end of the album).
-4/5 mics

15. "Hennessey (Red Spyda Remix)" featuring E.D.I. of the Outlawz and Sleepy Brown
-About as good as the Em version. This has a better, more 2pac-style, beat but Edi's performance isn't nearly as good as Obie's and there's a few less 2Pac lines in this version.
-3/5 mics

16. "A Crooked Nigga Too (Raphael Saadiq Remix)"
-A little bit better than Em's version, but by a small nudge. I love Em's version and this version, the onyl reason i score this one better is because i have this one stuck in my head. Great song all around.
-4/5 mics

17. "Loyal To The Game (DJ Quik Remix)" featuring Big Syke
-Better than Em's version, imo. Beat starts out weird, but get good, Syke probably delivers his best guest appearance ever on a Pac track and DJ Quick drops a HOTT verse at the end. Great way to end the entire album. Slower 2Pac verse, though.
-3.5/5 mics

OVERALL: 4/5 mics -My score isn't an average, as doing this album track by track doesn't do it justice, the whole album has a very cohesive, "album-like" feel, as i'm sure comes from 13 out of 17 tracks being done by one producer. The songs are so consistently good that the album as a whole gets a better score than if you just averaged the tracks together. Trust me, this album is great, i only have 2 complaints about the whole album: Ghetto Gospel's flow is a little slow and the beat for "Loyal 2 The Game feat. G-Unit" is a letdown, besides those two things, i think Em did a great job on the beats and some of 2Pac's best Pre-Deathrow flows/lyrics are on this album.

[QuietStorm]

Some white rapper named Stock lives fairly close to me, though he went to high school at one of my school's rivals and is probably a loser. Apparently he was on the White Girls soundtrack and was over in Britain doing shows for quite a while. From all sounds of it he probably sucks. But he does have his own website. And that is an essential quality to becoming a net thug.

[CollegeGraduate]

QuietStorm, Have you heard the new pac album?



By the way, Where did u guys get the Pac album? I cant find it on irc or limewire..

[CollegeGraduate]

double post..

[BoSox Rule]

You can get it on Limewire

[QuietStorm]

Why would I ever want to listen to Tupac? He bores me to death.

[DGAF]

Why would I ever want to listen to Tupac? He bores me to death.

Don't ever go outside when it's raining, you'll get strike saying something like that

you've been warned.

[CollegeGraduate]

Why would I ever want to listen to Tupac? He bores me to death.


You cannot be serious?




Even if you are not a fan of his, you cannot tell me that 2pac is boring?
Thats abit much. He was without a shadow of a doubt, one of the most charasimatic, exciting, and gifted rappers of all time. He helped launch hip hop to the masses. He was controversial and outspoken.

[QuietStorm]

I like things. Science and hyperliterate nonsense. Tupac talked about being opressed and a thug life. Boring.

[diggy]

do u like eazy e?

[QuietStorm]

No, but I love to hear old Bucky Fuller raps. :nerd:

[BoSox Rule]

Yeah, it was all The Hate U Gave Little Infants Fuck Everybody with Pac.

No songs ever came out named Keep Ya Head Up, Brenda's Got A Baby, Life Goes On, or anything like that.

Tupac was anything but boring. Try say, the best there was.

[Simon]

He was never anywhere near the best there was. He was a mediocre rapper who came across as a good rapper because of his sheer passion for his music...but even taking that into account he was never one of the best.

Also, this new album of his is absolute fucking garbage. Pathetic, terrible beats by Eminem (just when I thought he was beginning to step up his game :no:...), and the lyrics are just embarassingly disjointed. The only half-decent track is Po Nigga Blues, the beat is nice (not an Eminem cut) and it's one of the only tracks where it actually sounds like 2pac wrote it all as a track rather than a load of lines patched together to sell another shoddy, half-arsed album. And even then you have to ignore the re-re-use (It's already appeared on two songs before this one) of "So why must I sock a fella, just to live large like Rockefeller".

Terrible. I liked the guy and was a huge fan of the albums he released before his death, but these albums are simply destroying his memory.

[Mr. Boombastic]

Agreed, a rap song is not a mix of verses and the new flavor of the week artist added on to create a song . I would say that new 2Pac albums may be cool as a novelty just for the nostalgia, but it isnt very representative of who he once was as a rapper before his death. I would say his legacy is somewhat tarnished because he just has so many wannabe 2Pacs taking a dump on all of his old work to try and establish half the credibility as he did.

[CollegeGraduate]

I thought the Tupac album was ok. Nothing Special. The guys is dead. It is safe to say his best days are behind him. :)

[QuietStorm]

Bronx, NY 11/23/04 (AP Wire) --- In an historical press conference, the Game went public for the first time to make a heartfelt appeal to rapper Jay-Z. The message was clear: please leave. "I think I've waited more than long enough for the man to get out of my life," said a visibly shaken Game. "He keeps getting me all excited for his final bow, but this is starting to look like it will never end, duke."

Reporters stood dumbfounded as the Game launched into a potent tirade: "It was bad enough that he bowed out with a mediocre album, but I don't think I need to be dealing with a big comeback less than a month after he leaves. And if his idea of a comeback is doing an album with an R&B pedophile, then showing up on a white-owned cable channel with one of the weakest rock bands in the industry, I think we're better off without him."

"If you're listening, Jay, if you care about me at all," concluded the Game, "please, please leave. Now."

Although Jay-Z could not be reached for comment, the Game's statement has sent shockwaves through a divided industry. Damon Dash, co-founder of Roc-a-fella Records, fired off a press release claiming the Game was "behind the times and out of date. The Game needs to let a hustler hustle."

[Simon]

Hahahaha...who the hell is Game, really? Part of one of the least interesting hip-hop groups ever, and basically just riding Jay Z to see if he can get some exposure from beefing with an icon. Fuck The Game.

[QuietStorm]

Not the rapper. The actual Game, metaphorically.

[Simon]

Oh.

:$

[Chris Scott]

Apparently some shit went down at the VIBE awards tonite. Suge Knight came out and shouted to the crowd, "FUCK G-UNIT". This of course started chaos which lead to a couple members of the Gunit entourage getting stabbed by some death row members.

Here we go. Looks like Suge is going to start some shit with G-Unit now. Fuck I hate Suge, but man, that fucker sureee is gangsta!

Any updates on this in the U.S? No news here in the UK, or any links to stories about this?

[CollegeGraduate]

Any updates on this in the U.S? No news here in the UK, or any links to stories about this?


Well the story, the correct one that is, was all over the news last week. You can prolly find it on mtv.com or shadyaftermath.com. Anyhow, to sum it up..

Dre got bitched slapped..
Gunit members attack the guy who slapped dre...
Young Buc of Gunit stabs the guy in the liver.
Warrant is issued for Young Buck.
Buck surrenders and eventually posts bail.



Afterwards, 50 cent is seen outside the awards screaming at the top of his lungs, GGGGGGGGGUNNNNITTTTTTT...He then was bitchslapped by ashanti.

[Chris Scott]

Well the story, the correct one that is, was all over the news last week. You can prolly find it on mtv.com or shadyaftermath.com. Anyhow, to sum it up..

Dre got bitched slapped..
Gunit members attack the guy who slapped dre...
Young Buc of Gunit stabs the guy in the liver.
Warrant is issued for Young Buck.
Buck surrenders and eventually posts bail.



Afterwards, 50 cent is seen outside the awards screaming at the top of his lungs, GGGGGGGGGUNNNNITTTTTTT...He then was bitchslapped by ashanti.

Ok thanks for the info

[Raw Is Jonathan]

So, "Round & Round" by Hi-Tek featuring Jonell, want more songs like that please, come on now, chop chop and all that!

:yes:

[Kris P. Lettus]

I bought Lil Wayne "The Carter" and Devin the Dude "Just Trying 2 Live" last night..

Just throwing that out there..

[Seanny One Ball]

I aint bought an album for ages, someone inspire me.

[Simon]

Nas' out tomorrow.

[QuietStorm]

I am just waiting for 2005. Immortal Technique, Chino XL, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock (EP), Canibus, ?Tonedeff?, Jus Allah all out in the first quarter.

Quantum Leap is sick. Bis/Jynxt actually worked.

[CollegeGraduate]

I am just waiting for 2005. Immortal Technique, Chino XL, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock (EP), Canibus, ?Tonedeff?, Jus Allah all out in the first quarter.

Quantum Leap is sick. Bis/Jynxt actually worked.





I might get shit for this, but I am actually looking forward to both 50 cents new cd and The GAMEs debut cd. I know both have little fan support in this thread but I actually thought Get rich or die tryin was a decent album. Rumor has it that his 2nd will be better. I heard his supposed first single DIsco Inferno and it is horrible however. As far as the Game goes, even though the gangsta days may be over, I think he may be the savior of westcoast rap. We will see..

P.S what do you guys thinks of Game by the way?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Yo QS, give me some of your personal favourites over the last few months.

[QuietStorm]

Lately, the only hip hop that has been in my ears is Virtuoso's World War II: Evolution of the Torturer.

The new Apathy mixtape disappointed me, but he is still a top MC. Try and download his "Immortal" track.

Also, check out The Odd Couple's (Louis Logic/J-Love) project, Alcoholism. Quality tunes.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I will certainly look into those albums!

:yes:

Not been disappointed with anything you've recommended thus far, apart from perhaps Aesop Rock, not properly got into him yet...

[Fro]

New Nas album is straight fire!!!!! Street's Disciple passes College Dropout on my album of the year list. I've only listened to it once, but I'm thinking it could be the best double rap album of all time. Sorry All Eyez On Me.... Cop this shit immediately.

[Simon]

Wouldn't take much to beat all Eyez On Me, to be fair. Take the best of both discs and put it on one CD, and you have a decent album, but not even one of 2pac's best.

[QuietStorm]

I think you could almost say the same about Street's Disciple, though if you took all the best tracks and put it on one it would be his second best album.

[Simon]

I haven't heard it yet other than a few tracks leaked ages ago...coming on Wednesday or Thursday, looking forward to it.

[Fro]

What do u think is Pac's best album?

[Simon]

Me Against The World, probably. I have a soft spot for 7 Day Theory as well because it has a couple of underrated gems, but overall Me Against The World is probably the best album he's done, IMO.

[BoSox Rule]

I'm going with the 7 Day Theory with Me Against the World right behind it. Very, very close.

BTW I thought All Eyez on Me was awesome, it had so many hits Ambitionz Az A Ridah, All Bout U, 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted, I Aint Mad At Cha, Life Goes On, Picture Me Rollin', and some underrated hits: Holla At Me, All Eyez On Me, Can't C Me, Shorty Wana Be A Thug, and some others.

What was wrong with All Eyez on Me?

[Simon]

The problem with it was that most of it sucke,d IMO. Basically all of the second disc bar a couple of tracks, and most of the first disc wasn't all that great either. A couple of great tracks save it from being a relatively poor album (Shorty Wanna Be A Thug and Life Goes On are among his best work, I think).

[QuietStorm]

The problem with All Eyez on Me is too many :zzz:'s....

[Simon]

Can I Get Ya Phone #

[BoSox Rule]

I think How Do U Want It was the best song on All Eyez on Me, followed by Life Goes On.

Now that I think of it, All Eyez on Me was very underrated. It had a ton of classics.

Ambitionz Az A Ridah
All Bout U
How Do U Want It
2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
Heartz of Men
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin' War Stories (especially)
I Ain't Mad At Cha
Picture Me Rollin'

I'd include California Love, but it was a remix. And I really liked Can't C Me, Holla At Me, When We Ride, Thug Passion, and pretty much all of them except maybe Whatz Ya Phone #

Everybody has their own opinion. Best is subjective. I just happened to like it, a lot.

[Fro]

Can't C Me is the bomb digity. That's definetly my favorite off All Eyez and one of my favorite Pac songs ever. Pac + Dre = classic.

[Simon]

I think How Do U Want It was the best song on All Eyez on Me, followed by Life Goes On.

Now that I think of it, All Eyez on Me was very underrated. It had a ton of classics.

Ambitionz Az A Ridah
All Bout U
How Do U Want It
2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
Heartz of Men
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin' War Stories (especially)
I Ain't Mad At Cha
Picture Me Rollin'

I'd include California Love, but it was a remix. And I really liked Can't C Me, Holla At Me, When We Ride, Thug Passion, and pretty much all of them except maybe Whatz Ya Phone #

Everybody has their own opinion. Best is subjective. I just happened to like it, a lot.I never liked How Do U Want It. It's of those tracks like In Da Club that is crap unless you're in a club listening to it. Picture Me Rollin' is garbage, can't believe that got on his Greatest Hits while classics like Tradin' War Stories (as you mentioned, a classic) got left off. All About You is a great track.

[jesus sucks]

i think all of that albums amazing. especially picture me rollin.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Lately, the only hip hop that has been in my ears is Virtuoso's World War II: Evolution of the Torturer.

The new Apathy mixtape disappointed me, but he is still a top MC. Try and download his "Immortal" track.

Also, check out The Odd Couple's (Louis Logic/J-Love) project, Alcoholism. Quality tunes.

How much would you recommend these two albums?

As in what are they most like and what are they better than?

I don't have anything on my comp to download songs and have to buy albums blind so to speak...

[QuietStorm]

I would say get Louis Logic's Sin-O-Matic album before either of those two. Can't go wrong with that one. The dude is what Eminem used to be.

I was actually kind of scared recommending Virtuoso to you. His voice is, well, different. He isn't for everyone. I'd just skip that one for now. I like him, but I know plenty of people around here that hate him.

And there isn't anything wrong with purchasing the new Nas.

[The Champagne]

I think How Do U Want It was the best song on All Eyez on Me, followed by Life Goes On.

Now that I think of it, All Eyez on Me was very underrated. It had a ton of classics.

Ambitionz Az A Ridah
All Bout U
How Do U Want It
2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
Heartz of Men
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin' War Stories (especially)
I Ain't Mad At Cha
Picture Me Rollin'

I'd include California Love, but it was a remix. And I really liked Can't C Me, Holla At Me, When We Ride, Thug Passion, and pretty much all of them except maybe Whatz Ya Phone #

Everybody has their own opinion. Best is subjective. I just happened to like it, a lot.

Word, it was a masterpiece without a doubt. Especially Makaveli's 7 Day Theory...Suge was a brilliant man lol :zzz:

[BoSox Rule]

I'm guessing you think it was the exact oppisite, because of the :zzz: and :no:

Right?

[The Champagne]

^^ No, I liked it, I own both copies (OG and re-mastered) of the double album...I was just being sarcastic about big Suge back then compared to now...But without a doubt, album is a classic and a must have for any Tupac fan. It's alot better than these bullshit remixes they are coming out with now. I have alot of fav. songs off of that album.

Big news tho: Simon signed Scarface to Death Row Records!! It's going yall.
2005 Tha Row Roster:
Scarface,
Petey Pablo,
Kurupt,
Danny Boy,
Eastwood,
Tupac

[Mr. Boombastic]

First off, I bought the new Nas cd Street Disciple earlier today and have listened to it only twice, but I believe it is VERY GOOD. Its hard to say because its so fresh in my head, but I would say this cd may be one of Nas' best ever, behind Illmatic, but right up there with It Was Written and Stillmatic.

Lyrically and subject matter the disc is very refreshing from 99% of rappers who constantly rap over and over about money, smoking, and hoes. One thing I love about Nas is that each cd seems to reallly have a different feel to it and he seems to grow artisticallly with each new album.

Off the initial listen, I am really feeling: A Message to the feds, sincerely, we the people, American Way, These are our Heroes, Live Now, Suicide Bounce, UBR, The Making of a Perfect Bitch, Bridging the Gap, and Theifs Theme

UBR(unauthorized biography of Rakim) is an interesting tribute to the great Rakim. I only wish that Rakim could have spit a few verses in there though, I have been waiting for a collaboration between those two for years.

On the subject of 2Pac "All Eyez on Me" I cant believe everybody is trashing it. I wouldnt say its a great club cd, just because when I think of club cds I think of garbage like Ludicris, Lil Jon, etc, but I would call it a great party or cd to drink to. Besides the 6 singles of the cd(I think thats about right, it came out so long ago its hard to remember), which are all quality, songs like Only God Can Judge Me, Got my Mind made up, all bout u, cant c me, picture me rollin, rather be ya nigga, and all eyez on me are great tracks.

I would say Me Against the World is his best cd, but All Eyez on Me is just a fun cd to listen to. I guess people like Quietstorm would not like it because its really not that ground-breaking or have anything truly profound or great messages, but I just think this is one off those cds that you can just enjoy if you dont worry about it being just a party cd and accept it for what it is. Not every cd has to be brilliant to be great.

[The Champagne]

^^ word up, i remember rockin parties with that cd bangin'....great party cd

[QuietStorm]

On the subject of 2Pac "All Eyez on Me" I cant believe everybody is trashing it. I wouldnt say its a great club cd, just because when I think of club cds I think of garbage like Ludicris, Lil Jon, etc, but I would call it a great party or cd to drink to.I don't drink. Anymore. At the moment at least.


And I am REALLY not that pretentious to only look for music that has deeper meaning. I listen to power metal for fuck's sake.

[Mr. Boombastic]

I didnt mean to insult you and call you pretentious Quietstorm

Maybe you should drink to it though, you might like it. 25 tracks, 24 beers in a case, sounds like a great time to listen to All Eyez on Me, and a fun drinking game.

[The Champagne]

^^ lol u gave me ideas man

[CollegeGraduate]

So, yeah, what do you guys think of the Game??


Dont ignore me fuckers! :(

[Simon]

He's shite. All of G-Unit and their affiliates are shite. Boring, dull, derivative and shite.

[Kris P. Lettus]

I'm once again addicted to Devin the Dude..

Just letting yall know..

p.s.anyone heard the new T.I. that came out yesterday??

I'll be picking it up this after noon..

[The Champagne]

The Game is dope, I'm lovin' how he's representing NWA/Eazy-E. His raps are decent, and with Dre producing the beats, his album is gonna be bangin'. His debut video came out called Fresh 83 featuring 50 Cent, produced by Dr.Dre.

[CollegeGraduate]

He's shite. All of G-Unit and their affiliates are shite. Boring, dull, derivative and shite.



They may be derivative and shit, but boring they are not.



And I believe the Game is more talented then 90% of mainstream rappers right now ( yes i know, that doesnt say much). I'll take game over chingy, lil flip, akon, juvenile, and so on. Yes, he is affiliated with g-unit, but so is 50 cent? Are you saying 50 is shite too? did you not like Get rich or die tryin?

[Mr. Boombastic]

Yes, 50 cent is shit. You can thank Dr Dre for 50 cent's success. I will give credit to the album for one thing, great beats-all thanks to Dre. Lyrically 50 cent is trash.

[CollegeGraduate]

Yes, 50 cent is shit. You can thank Dr Dre for 50 cent's success. I will give credit to the album for one thing, great beats-all thanks to Dre. Lyrically 50 cent is trash.



No offense, and I love pac just like everyone else, if you are bashing 50 to the degree that you are, claiming he is trash, and yet you seem to worship pac, then something doesn't make sense. They both have similar styles and rap about similar material. They often times have been compared to each other. Now, in no way shape or form am I saying Pac in 50 belong in the same category. Pac is a legend. 50 is an up and comer with potential. You are judging him by 1 album. As far as dre's beats go, yeah it made his album better. DRE's beats MAKE everyones albums better. There are far far worse then 50, and to call him trash is rather absurd.



P.S Can we thank Dre for Eminem's success too? Of course, we can. However, that does not mean Eminem is garbage. ( Although Encore was)

[Mr. Boombastic]

Exactly college graduate, 50 cent and 2Pac are quite similar and rap about similar topics, there is a reason why Pac is a legend and 50 is trash. Its because Pac did it first, 50 cent is just taking his ideas and recycling them into his new stuff. 2pac was all about thug life and that stuff, but it was still fresh when he did it. Now, so many rappers have followed in Pac's footsteps and overdone the thug life shit, that it is really boring to hear about still.

In the arts, originality counts for a lot. I could take all of the Beatles songs and change chords here and there with the 60s pop rock lyrics and imitate them, but I would not be a legend because its been done before. \

[TRO]

I remember listening to 50 Cent before he hooked up with Dre, and I thought he was shit. He seemed to have this gimmick of dissing as many established rappers as possible, and that could only get him so far. The influence of Dre and Eminem definitely helped him improve immensely...

[QuietStorm]

Virtuoso - Man of the Hour

http://s21.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=63909E1253B4316D3715F7A593F6BCBA

[Simon]

They may be derivative and shit, but boring they are not.



And I believe the Game is more talented then 90% of mainstream rappers right now ( yes i know, that doesnt say much). I'll take game over chingy, lil flip, akon, juvenile, and so on. Yes, he is affiliated with g-unit, but so is 50 cent? Are you saying 50 is shite too? did you not like Get rich or die tryin?No, they are definitely boring. The fact that they are derivative is what makes them boring - they're doing exactly what past rappers did, but nowhere near as well.

50 Cent is shite. Power Of The Dollar has a few nice tracks, that's it really. I have Get Rich Or Dye Tryin', it's pretty weak. Two good tracks, by my count - Many Men and Life's On The Line (which was released before anyway). A couple of decent tracks like What Up Gangsta, the rest is terrible. Eminem shows him up with by far the best verse on the whole album in Patiently Waiting, and it's not even one of his best guest appearances by any means.

[Simon]

I remember listening to 50 Cent before he hooked up with Dre, and I thought he was shit. He seemed to have this gimmick of dissing as many established rappers as possible, and that could only get him so far. The influence of Dre and Eminem definitely helped him improve immensely...That was only one track (How To Rob) to be fair, and it was tongue-in-cheek really.

[Fro]

This is old news but its something thats been bugging me. Why does Em edit out Suge's name in Like Toy Soldiers? He is a rapper who names names all the time (see: Ass Like That). I guess I know the answer to my own question... him and Dre didn't wanna piss off a guy who is known for having rapper murdered. But its so obvious that Suge's name is the word that is edited. Is Suge gonna be like "Ok, here's the plan: pull up along Em's car and when he stops.... wait a sec, he edited out my name. Send him a thank you card instead."?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Virtuoso - Man of the Hour

http://s21.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=63909E1253B4316D3715F7A593F6BCBA

Oh, I like that one.

:yes:

[CollegeGraduate]

This is old news but its something thats been bugging me. Why does Em edit out Suge's name in Like Toy Soldiers? He is a rapper who names names all the time (see: Ass Like That). I guess I know the answer to my own question... him and Dre didn't wanna piss off a guy who is known for having rapper murdered. But its so obvious that Suge's name is the word that is edited. Is Suge gonna be like "Ok, here's the plan: pull up along Em's car and when he stops.... wait a sec, he edited out my name. Send him a thank you card instead."?



If you havent noticed, eminem is looking to squash all his beefs. These include those with Ja rule and benzino. I don't think he would want to ignite something with suge and deathrow, the talentless bunch of thugs they are would indeed have him murdered. Suge is a thug, and an ass, so I think Em did the smart thing. I have a feeling however, that when DETOX gets released, that Dre will not hold back. *crosses fingers*

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Didn't DETOX get discontinued?

Oh, and please, the talk about 50 Cent, G-Unit, and all the other shit, never listened to it, never will, so can't comment, but I'm pretty sure that it is pretty much blasphemy to compare 50 to 2-Pac!

I mean the only thing they have in common is having numbers in their names! My god, Dre gives someone a hot beat and everyone jumps on the cock... :nono:

Dre is the only one from that crowd that I'm even remotely interested in anymore.

Oh, and QS, got any more of Virtuoso? Only got Nas, Royce, Louis Logic and The Odd Couple on my Xmas list, and I do like new c.d's on christmas day!

[QuietStorm]

Virtuoso - Devilish (http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=9F553AF1F21472899D342D2C3DACF76A)

Virtuoso ft. Del the Funky Homosapien - War of the Masses (http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=F2A528E06DC0D5DF5F4D5B09E80AEE38)

Virtuoso ft. Del the Funky Homosapien & Casual - All We Know (http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=97E5F33290890AEF928C9C11A58A8D8A)

Virtuoso ft. Slaine - Fahrenheit 911 (http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=AD5018FF6F2473109E845E6F2FEA7AFD)

Virtuoso - The Reaper (http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=C2BA74B33CC812671703F03C6632CD39)

All these tracks are on World War II except "All We Know", which is on World War I: The Voice of Reason.

[CollegeGraduate]

Didn't DETOX get discontinued?

Oh, and please, the talk about 50 Cent, G-Unit, and all the other shit, never listened to it, never will, so can't comment, but I'm pretty sure that it is pretty much blasphemy to compare 50 to 2-Pac!

I mean the only thing they have in common is having numbers in their names! My god, Dre gives someone a hot beat and everyone jumps on the cock... :nono:

Dre is the only one from that crowd that I'm even remotely interested in anymore.

Oh, and QS, got any more of Virtuoso? Only got Nas, Royce, Louis Logic and The Odd Couple on my Xmas list, and I do like new c.d's on christmas day!


hello there,


Please re-read my post.

Best wishes,

You're friend,

Eye Glasses

[Simon]

1) It's 'your', not 'you're'.

2) Raw Is Jonathan is right.


Yours faithfully,

man who knows not to throw stones when in a glass house.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

hello there,


Please re-read my post.

Best wishes,

You're friend,

Eye Glasses

The only part of my post that was completely aimed at you was the Detox question.

Thanking you.

Oh, and QS, you fucking own! About to download them songs!

[Raw Is Jonathan]

I'm a fan.

:hyper:

QS :heart:

[QuietStorm]

A face to go with the words. Might be a couple years old.


http://www.nehiphop.com/artist-virtuoso.jpg

[CollegeGraduate]

The only part of my post that was completely aimed at you was the Detox question.

Thanking you.

Oh, and QS, you fucking own! About to download them songs!




Ah I c.


Well, to answer the question for you, Detox has been shelved for the mean time. HOWEVER, Eminem has hinted that dre will release it. Also, at the VIBE awards, after all hell broke loose, and Dre was accepting his award, He promised that Detox would be released. I seriously cannot wait.

[Simon]

Hopefully he's been saving his best beats for Detox, because his rwork on the 50 Cent album and Encore was fucking terrible.

[CollegeGraduate]

The beats on the album were indeed subpar. If he uses half as good as the beats on the Chronic 2001, Detox will own.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

2001 was the revision for my GCSE's... as in I did no revision and just listened to Dre whilst getting pissed!

WOOO.

Those were the days...

[jesus sucks]

same here. :yes:

[TapOut]

I just got Urban Mystic's Ghetto Revelations CD.... very dissapointed. His first single, Where Were You, was an awesome RnB/rap song, and I thought that it would sort of be the blueprint for the rest of the album. Nope. He tries to linger between rapper/RnB artist/Hip-Hop artist, and it just doesn't work. Where Were You is the best song on the album. As soon as I saw the name of one of his cuts was "Fuck Song", I knew most of the album would blow, which it did.
It's not worth the purchase. But I will give him credit, because he released a single good enough to make me go out and buy the album. If he sticks to the songs that work for him on his next album, he might last a while.

[Simon]

Anyone heard Luda's album? No development from Chicken N Beer, which itself was no development from Word Of Mouf...same old funny, juvenile shit, but it's just great fun. Luda's kind of seen as a novelty rapper by most people, but IMO he's one of the best around right now - fantastic flow, punches like no other and while his content isn't exactly social conscious in the Common mould, he does what he wants to do and does it brilliantly. The beats are more of the same as well, but if it ain't broke don't fix it, it's all good. The beat for Large Amounts is fucking hilarious, had me giggling like a retard.

[TapOut]

Anyone heard Luda's album? No development from Chicken N Beer, which itself was no development from Word Of Mouf...same old funny, juvenile shit, but it's just great fun. Luda's kind of seen as a novelty rapper by most people, but IMO he's one of the best around right now - fantastic flow, punches like no other and while his content isn't exactly social conscious in the Common mould, he does what he wants to do and does it brilliantly. The beats are more of the same as well, but if it ain't broke don't fix it, it's all good. The beat for Large Amounts is fucking hilarious, had me giggling like a retard.
Agreed. Luda is right in the middle. He's got enough fan base, has no petty beefs with anyone in the industry, and borderlines gangster rap/goofy Eminem shit. Luda is the bomb, and I always love his albums. I'm glad he put Hopeless on the new album: it's a cut that reminds me of Hard Times from Chicken and Beer.
I'd give the album a solid 7.5 out of 10.

[Morrison]

Just went on a little hip hop spree this week. Been listening to Black Star a lot, and it inspired me to go out and get some other stuff. Bought Illmatic by Nas, The New Danger and Black On Both Sides by Mos Def, and after searching three stores, finally found Amplified by Q-Tip. Enjoying them all. Plan on picking up some Tribe Called Quest when I got some money to spare, and probably Talib's new album.

:yes:

[TapOut]

Just listened to Tupac's "new" album, Loyal To The Game. It's produced by Eminem.
What a dissapointing album. All it really seems to me is a Eminem/G-Unit/Obie Trice party. Eminem's voice is everywhere, and he lets his crew collab with Pac on all the songs. The three best songs on the album are Soldier Like Me with Eminem, Ghetto Gospel with Elton John, and Po Nigga Blues with Ron Isley.
The thing about this album is, you can tell that Pac must not have very many solid unreleased vocal tracks left. All the sound on this album sounds stretched and digitized as much as it can be. Some of Tupac's vocals sound so bad, it sounds like the lyrics were made from scratch on a computer. Some of it doesn't even sound like Tupac at all.
Some of the beats are ok, and the album is not bad by any means, but I just think that it's time for Pac's music career to be laid to rest, before it starts to become a joke.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Yeah, noticed a new Luda album in HMV today which surprised me, sure that Chicken N Beer only came out this year...

Unsure if I'll pick it up though. Dunno, hardly listened to CnB apart from Hard Times.

Hmm.

Decisions, decisions.

Might get it after chrimbo when its bound to be on sale.

[Fro]

Big news out of the hip-hop world: Roc-A-Fella Records sold to Island Def Jam and Jigga becomes the new president (of Def Jam). Probably won't really change much, but its pretty cool I guess.

[QuietStorm]

I am going to try and remix Sage Francis' Slow Down Gandhi on Propellerhead Reason this weekend and early next week. If it turns out well I'll put it up for you all to download if you wish.


Nothing else to say. :$

[DGAF]

Anyone here know the name of the female in the new Guerilla Black music video?

she's something else. :wtf:

[Stringer Bell]

Red Light Disctrict >>> Chicken & Beer

[Fro]

"Although I'm surprised by the fact Eminem seems to have done this entire album, it at least seems that his production skills are not only vastly improved over his other beats to date, but that he specifically laced beats appropriate to the songs and the way Shakur is flowing. "
-rapreviews.com on Loyal to the Game.

Thought that was interesting, though I have not heard the album yet. Anyone heard it? What you think of Em's production? I know most posters on here usually criticize his beats, so whatchu think?

On an unrelated note, I've recently downloaded the entire Gang Starr collection and I think it could be the most impressive string of albums ever by hip-hop artists.

[spanish announce table]

Immortal Technique/Scram Jones - "Silence" and RZA - "Neva" are damn good.

I have Gangstarr's Full Clip, Moment of Truth and The Ownerz, and it makes no sense how these guys still get little recognition.

[Adamy]

Detox has been shelved for the mean time.

Heh. Detox. Or, as I call it, "Smile, Motherfucker!"

I really hope someone gets that joke.

[QuietStorm]

Immortal Technique/Scram Jones - "Silence" and RZA - "Neva" are damn good.

I have Gangstarr's Full Clip, Moment of Truth and The Ownerz, and it makes no sense how these guys still get little recognition. I never could get into The Ownerz, but those first two are classic.

[Seanny One Ball]

Operation Stackola is great.

That is all.

[CollegeGraduate]

"Although I'm surprised by the fact Eminem seems to have done this entire album, it at least seems that his production skills are not only vastly improved over his other beats to date, but that he specifically laced beats appropriate to the songs and the way Shakur is flowing. "
-rapreviews.com on Loyal to the Game.

Thought that was interesting, though I have not heard the album yet. Anyone heard it? What you think of Em's production? I know most posters on here usually criticize his beats, so whatchu think?

On an unrelated note, I've recently downloaded the entire Gang Starr collection and I think it could be the most impressive string of albums ever by hip-hop artists.

I agree with rapreviews.com


I thought the album was the best showing to date for Em as a producer. Its sad that he couldnt have done that for his own album, encore. While some of shakur's flow were old and the sound on his lyrics was not the most clear, the beats went well with the lyrics. I honestly liked loyal to the game. It was a solid cd. The song GHETTO GOSPEL is fantastic in my opinion.

[Cubed-Sphere]

^^ I have a LLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG review of the album on page 101, check that out Frofiles.

[BoSox Rule]

I love Loyal to the Game. A lot better than I expected, and I enjoy it more with every listen.

[Stringer Bell]

I love Loyal to the Game. A lot better than I expected, and I enjoy it more with every listen.

Loyal to the Game is weak compared to his mixtape work though. For some reason he dumbed up his rhymes, and tried to harmonize on every track like 50. I mean, I like the album, it has good production and a lot of catchy songs/lines, but it's not on par with his mixtape work.

Let's hope his sophomore effort is even better :yes:

[Stringer Bell]

I never could get into The Ownerz, but those first two are classic.

I guess Full Clip is classic, it's really just a greatest hits comp so I don't consider it when thinking of their albums..

But yeah, Momenet of Truth is dope

Suprised you dont like The Ownerz

[Stringer Bell]

I have Gangstarr's Full Clip, Moment of Truth and The Ownerz, and it makes no sense how these guys still get little recognition.

Gangstarr is pretty much recognized as hip-hop's top duo by most. And anyone who knows their rap loves Primo, he's easily one of rap's best producers..

Check out more of their catalog www.amazon.com

[Stringer Bell]

I know this is the review thread, but people always bitch if you post about rap in the main music forum..

So I figured maybe we can start some ill mini-threads in here, for instance Name some dope tracks that feature 3 (only 3) MC's

Alchemist f/ Prodigy and Illa G - Hold You Down
Beatnuts f/ Big Pun - Off The Books
Big L f/ Notorious BIG and 2pac - Deadly Combination
Big Pun f/ Prodigy and Inspectah Dech - Tres Leches

I'll let ya'll post some

[QuietStorm]

While my tastes have evolved away from the likes I must give credit to one sick, sick track....


Mobb Deep ft. Cormega - Killaz Theme

The Royce/Canibus/Chino XL collabo SUCKED. Royce was awful. Canibus was ok. The beat was pathetic. Chino was the only thing that saved the track. He killed his verse and threw a little hilarious subliminal in there, believed to be aimed at Eminem but it is probably all bullshit speculation.







What, you expected about 50 combinations of a nerd triumvirate from me? Nah, I don't feel like thinking anymore.

[Jay]

Just watched Em's "Like Toy Soliders" video for the first time...very, very nice work. It completes it as one of his best tracks, I think.

[Stringer Bell]

Word QS, I don't think I've even heard the Royce/Bus/Chino track.. is it a freestyle or is it on one of their albums?

Here's some more for me

Big Boi f/ Killer Mike and Jay-Z - Flip Flop Rock
Lloyd Banks, Fabolous, and Busta Rhymes - Fall Back
GZA f/ Ghostface and Streetlife - Silent
Kanye West f/ Jay-Z and J. Ivy - Never Let Me Down
M.O.P. f/ Jay-Z - 4 Alarm Blaze
Mobb Deep f/ Method Man - Extortion

[QuietStorm]

It's called Wish You Would and as of now it has only been released on the internet by King Tech. It is going on the Sway & Tech album out next month.

[Dan The Man]

Clearly this doesn't count, but if we can pretend for a second that the question is songs with five MCs, I recently came upon a Kanye West mixtape with a "Get By" remix with Mos, Jay-Z, Kanye, Kweli, and Busta Rhymes... surprisingly, Kanye probably gets the best of it... then again, I'm sure he's got his own lines for every beat he ever made, so maybe it shouldn't be that surprising... but yeah, it's not better than the original, but it's pretty good for trying to fit those five on one track...

PS: Black Star featuring Common - Respiration
Kweli featuring Black Thought and Pharoah Monch - Guerrilla Monsoon Rap

[TapOut]

"Although I'm surprised by the fact Eminem seems to have done this entire album, it at least seems that his production skills are not only vastly improved over his other beats to date, but that he specifically laced beats appropriate to the songs and the way Shakur is flowing. "
-rapreviews.com on Loyal to the Game.

Thought that was interesting, though I have not heard the album yet. Anyone heard it? What you think of Em's production? I know most posters on here usually criticize his beats, so whatchu think?

On an unrelated note, I've recently downloaded the entire Gang Starr collection and I think it could be the most impressive string of albums ever by hip-hop artists.
I have it, and as far as rap albums go, it's a decent album, and the beats are good, but it's just another Tupac album where they are spreading his talents even thinner. Some of the tracks sound muffled, almost like Tupac's voice isn't really Tupac at all, but like they used his voice to get a sample and came up with a digital robot that sounds like Tupac. I mean, the beats are ok, and had this been released 5 years ago, it might be more noteworthy, but.......

Don't get me wrong, it has some great songs, but like I said, the sound is off, and for some reason, it just sounds hokey to hear Tupac say "Drop that shit, Em!".....

[TapOut]

Yay, if you like his past three albums. It's more of the same. But in a good way.

[Stringer Bell]

Clearly this doesn't count, but if we can pretend for a second that the question is songs with five MCs, I recently came upon a Kanye West mixtape with a "Get By" remix with Mos, Jay-Z, Kanye, Kweli, and Busta Rhymes... surprisingly, Kanye probably gets the best of it... then again, I'm sure he's got his own lines for every beat he ever made, so maybe it shouldn't be that surprising... but yeah, it's not better than the original, but it's pretty good for trying to fit those five on one track...

PS: Black Star featuring Common - Respiration
Kweli featuring Black Thought and Pharoah Monch - Guerrilla Monsoon Rap

Damn, I totally forgot about Respiration. A proven classic. And GMR is hot too.

Wasn't 50 on that Get By Remix as well? Kanye was definitely nice, but I perfer Jay's verse.

[Stringer Bell]

I have it, and as far as rap albums go, it's a decent album, and the beats are good, but it's just another Tupac album where they are spreading his talents even thinner. Some of the tracks sound muffled, almost like Tupac's voice isn't really Tupac at all, but like they used his voice to get a sample and came up with a digital robot that sounds like Tupac. I mean, the beats are ok, and had this been released 5 years ago, it might be more noteworthy, but.......

Don't get me wrong, it has some great songs, but like I said, the sound is off, and for some reason, it just sounds hokey to hear Tupac say "Drop that shit, Em!".....


The beats are horrible if you ask me. That's what brings the album down, Eminem's god-awful production. Then you hear the beats from Scott Storch and DJ Quik, and you wonder how Eminem got the go to do the whole thing :wtf:

And the reason Pac's voice sounds muffled on some tracks is because all of the lyrics used on this album are really old. Some dating back to early as '93 I believe.

[TapOut]

The beats are horrible if you ask me. That's what brings the album down, Eminem's god-awful production. Then you hear the beats from Scott Storch and DJ Quik, and you wonder how Eminem got the go to do the whole thing :wtf:

And the reason Pac's voice sounds muffled on some tracks is because all of the lyrics used on this album are really old. Some dating back to early as '93 I believe.
If the lyrics are that old, to the point where it takes the entire quality of the album down, it's time to let Tupac die. The sad part is, there's probably more on the way.
And if Eminem does the next album, I hope he can resist the urge to have Tupac reffer to him or any of his cronies by name. He sure as fuck better not have Pac saying "Hey Dre..." given those two's past.

[Cubed-Sphere]

^ To the two gentlemen before me:

Some of vocals even date back to early '92 (Ghetto Gospel, Don't U Trust Me?)
But to show some light at the end of tunnel, there's only about one more album worth of material from the early 90's, then they will release more deathrow-era tracks, so i wouldn't worry about the quality of future albums.
That being said, i heard it rumoured that the next album will again be pre-deathrow-era lyrics and will be released as soon as next September. I estimate another double-disc Deathrow-era album after that and then that seems likely to be all the remaining material.

[The Champagne]

^^^ Suge should release the OG versions, they all would get leaked anyways. Eminem production is ok at times, but I much prefer a solid and credible producers like Dj Quik, Johnny J, etc.

[BoSox Rule]

^^^ Suge should release the OG versions, they all would get leaked anyways. Eminem production is ok at times, but I much prefer a solid and credible producers like Dj Quik, Johnny J, etc.
:yes:

[Cubed-Sphere]

2Pac's 'Loyal 2 The Game' debuted at no. 1 this week on the Billboard.

Amazing. That's all I have to say.

[Simon]

Amazing how fucking stupid people are. That album is garbage. Badly thought-out, badly produced, lyrically inept (due to the editing, the lyrics are nice in patches but they don't flow because the executive producer has just collated a mish-mash of random bars that usually don't even relate at all) and basically just a barrel of shit exploiting the fact that people are still loyal to the Pac name. This is not 2pac's music.

[penguinman]

i loved the album. i thought it was great. in my opinion the beats are good, and they really fit tupac's voice and what he is saying. i think eminem did a good job on this album, and i wouldn't mind hearing another pac album produced by em, but thats just my opinion.

[BoSox Rule]

The two best songs were Ghetto Gospel and Po Nigga Blues (which was, surprising, not produced by Eminem.

I liked the album, but it wasn't Pac.

[DGAF]

How is Crunk Juice doing on the billboard? that album is hype as fuck.

[Jonny D]

Ludacris new album?

[Cubed-Sphere]

Amazing how fucking stupid people are. That album is garbage. Badly thought-out, badly produced, lyrically inept (due to the editing, the lyrics are nice in patches but they don't flow because the executive producer has just collated a mish-mash of random bars that usually don't even relate at all) and basically just a barrel of shit exploiting the fact that people are still loyal to the Pac name. This is not 2pac's music.
::sigh::

I have 90% of the original 2Pac recordings from this "new" album and no random bars are thrown together for verses, these are 2Pac's true verses. The only exceptions being the trading verses with Obie, mentioning of names of people Pac never knew, and the hook to Em's version of "A Crooked Nigga Too", which is just parts of his lyrics mixed into a possible hook.
These aren't random bars placed together, they're simply verses that aren't good representations of Pac's writing/storytelling style, which is probably why he left them unreleased. So if you hate the beats for tracks 1-13 blame Em, but if the lyrics aren't pleasing you then that's Pac's fault, or rather his estate's fault for releasing material he didn't want put out.

On this subject however, Ghetto Gospel, Black Cotton, Out On Bail, Po' Nigga Blues, Don't You Trust Me, and A Crooked NIgga Too are some of Pac's best words... but i do agree on the whole this is probably Pac's weakest lyrical album, which is why i'm pleasantly surprised that Em's beats work well for them, in my opinion, and make the album solid, though still not great.

[QuietStorm]

You ever able to carry a conversation that doesn't involve Tupac?


Or do you just kinda go........


Blank.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Got Royce, Nas and Louise Logic for Xmas.

Now, thinking there's gonna be mad crazy sales on this year, so I'm looking at picking up some cd's that I wouldn't necessarily really want otherwise. So, give me your opinions on the following's latest albums, and add some of your own:

Mos Def
Ludacris
Devin The Dude
The Odd Couple – Alcohl-Ism
Virtuoso - World War II: Evolution of the Torturer

Yeah so I can't really think of anything else that strikes me at the moment... someone strike me with something please.

[TapOut]

Ludacris' new album is identical to his last three albums. It's good, but don't expect anything new. 7.5 out of 10. Not great, but far from bad.

[Seanny One Ball]

Murda Muzik :heart:

The Life Is Mine, it is indeed :beer:
I could start getting into Nas because of his Mobb Deep collab's.

[CollegeGraduate]

I am awaiting Game's album....




50 cents cd has been pushed back to march I hear? Wtf? I thought the title was going to be saint valentines day massacre?

[Simon]

Murda Muzik :heart:

The Life Is Mine, it is indeed :beer:
I could start getting into Nas because of his Mobb Deep collab's.Wouldn't be easier to get into Nas because he's the best rapper out in the mainstream, and just about the only mainstream rapper who hasn't sold out his roots to some extent?

[Raw Is Jonathan]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Check Simone out.

Get you girlfriend.

I'm not that blown away by Nas' album thus far, haven't had a proper listen to it yet though...

[QuietStorm]

"Bis, you don't understand man. The fans that showed up @ SOB's use to worship the ground that you walked on. NYC is probably your biggest fan base, no it is your biggest fan base. From looking at the sales, there are a lot of fans over there. I personally don't know what your plans are for your career, but doing shows are required at some point in time if you are looking to be up there with the big shots. When you don't show up to events it projects the image that you don't care about your fans. Show the same love that the fans have showed you, and rock a dope show. That is all we ask."

"Canibus likes to be mysterious. He likes it when nobody knows where he is, or what he's working on. I've gotten used to that. But he CANNOT be both unreachable AND irresponsible. At least put on some shows, or provide an explanation for why you can't. You know there's a problem when an artist's CLOSEST fans are beginning to doubt him, after the rest of the hip hop world hates him. Bis better be careful or he'll have NOBODY."


Yep, you guessed it. Canibus no-showed another one. That makes three now, and still no shows in the States since 2000. Fucking lucky London and Paris bastards. And to think, I almost drove 8 hours for this. At least Immortal Technique was in the building and saved the show. Plus Jean Grae was quality as usual I hear.

[QuietStorm]

I feel like I do all the work around here.


http://www.corvusproduction.com/


Download this dude's Bazooka Tooth remixes. This just made BT my favorite Aesop Rock album when it was stuck in a distant third. Despite the change in style from Aesop, the beats on the album were too weird (yes, i said TOO weird) and El-P....ish for my liking. The production on these remixes just hits almost every track perfectly. Especially for an album that is obviously a very hard one to remix. He adds a whole new dimension to an Aesop Rock masterpiece.

Complaints: I don't quite like the remix of "No Jumper Cables" as much as the original, which despite having a better overall beat doesn't really work for this impossible track to remix. And "Super Fluke" is cool but I like the original better as well, he should have done something more for the chorus because it just sounds monotone and out place while on the original it sounds perfect. Also, he didn't do "Frijoles" which was one of the best tracks on BT. And where is the second verse of "Mars Attacks", quite possibly the best verse on the album. I realize it is another impossible one to remix and would have required a serious beat change but c'mon now.

And other than that it is perfection. I'll probably listen to this every day for a very long time. Check it out.



I also have Sage Francis' new album A Healthy Distrust and it is awesome. Can't wait til I can buy it in February and go to his show on the 15th of that month. Let me know if you want me to put it on yousendit.com and I will. But probably not until really late tonight or tomorrow (my birthday:)), because I have to go to work soon.

[Fro]

Anyone know where I can find the video of the brawl at the Vibe Awards online?

[CollegeGraduate]

Anyone know if the NEW Game Cd has been leaked yet? Quietstorm, you're the brother with all the hookups it seems and knowledge. Have you heard anything about it?


Oh and frofiles, go to google and type Vibe award 2004 brawl. You should have it then.

[CollegeGraduate]

I also have Sage Francis' new album A Healthy Distrust and it is awesome. Can't wait til I can buy it in February and go to his show on the 15th of that month. Let me know if you want me to put it on yousendit.com and I will. But probably not until really late tonight or tomorrow (my birthday:)), because I have to go to work soon.


Happy Birthday!!

[spanish announce table]

I read Bis's reply on CC to the fans saying that we all suck and that he doesnt need us. I agree with some of his points, but why all the anger over a bunch of comments on the internet? He said he has cancer, which is very fucked up.

I got Q-Unique, Nas, ODB's "Return to the 36 Chambers" and Bob Marley's "Legend" (6 bucks!). Awesome shit all around.

Necro, Juju and Q both have some sick beats on "Vengeance is Mine", and Q is the best guy in the Psychological/Uncle Howie crew, next to Immortal Technique.

[Cubed-Sphere]

You ever able to carry a conversation that doesn't involve Tupac?


Or do you just kinda go........


Blank.
yes, i also discuss Shawn Michaels and The Simpsons... then i go blank.

[QuietStorm]

I read Bis's reply on CC to the fans saying that we all suck and that he doesnt need us. I agree with some of his points, but why all the anger over a bunch of comments on the internet? He said he has cancer, which is very fucked up.
Yeah, I didn't see this until yesterday when I got home from East Lansing. Crazy, but everyone who it was directed at had it coming. C-C is 85 percent assholes. Here it is for those who are interested....



Sappy New Year Bitches!

Pay no attention to the screen name. I have many aliases. Enlarge my avatar.

I could count the amount of times I've posted on one hand. Mainly due to my schedule and low tolerence for stupidity. This is for those of you who already know who you are and why you consistenly come here to an extention of something born out of my mind and nurtured by others in the name of HIP HOP. You can't have a cure w/o the poison so I'll get right to the point.


I have reached point break w/ you all. So much so that I will discontinue to watch you throw negative vibes my way. Get a fuckin' life already. Damn, THINK! What business man/promoter would pay me a first half for a show and not inform me about it? I don't benefit from being a no-show. Accountability is one of my priorities. I stay away from interacting w/ the sites because of these reasons entirely.

No matter what I do, most of you seem interested in being unreasonable. Your intentions are clear. I see those that express how thru they are w/ supporting me. If you call this support then you are in need of a sort of help that I can't give you. My intention is to make music. Not good music....Not bad music.....just music. Rap Music. I have sacrificed more than you know.

In order to see things as they are you must be objective. Universal fired me in 2000 because I was unwilling to compromise. I did whatever it took as I saw fit to continue to create and complete albums. I joined the service and did two bricks for a country that I call my own. 900K soldiers have rotated back to the USA from all over the world. Many of them have returned to broken homes and some to homelessness. I am grateful for my situation because it could have been worse. I played my part and I am proud of it. I provided my email as an open channel to me. Some of you have been genuinely thankful while others interpet my token of gratitude as weakness. Listen up troopers. I have never needed anyone to fight my battles for me. Here or abroad.

It puzzles me to see how people clamor for information about details of my life that are irrelevent to the music and the message. I understand that some of you are just frustated w/ the inconsistency. It's more complicated than it seems.

What if I told you that I don't have a record deal because no one wants to sign me? What if I told you that people like Hood Rev and others like him/her deliberately say things that are counterproductive to my goals only to infuriate me and confuse you. CBA is such a turncoat. Jon Dough thinks he knows sooo much. So many other names but I decided not to get carried away like many of you b/c indirectly I can empower you by naming you. I'd rather let you know this way. Got sum uther shyt4u2

Finally I'm putting it all on the table for you all to see. There is no movement. You are all divided. This Site serves as the Macrocosm to a Microcosm I created. None of you were around when I decided to take the Rap Industry by storm and force w/ CAN-I-BUS and Canibus.com. I did it all by my lonesome w/ Brent Whitings help. I have come to respect my own work more by seeing the reaction to it from you all. After much thought I see that possibly you have hindered my developement b/c you don't want to see me grow. Pls realize that your energy is compounded by your intentions. I don't see posts or replies to posts. I see INTENTIONS.

That is why I have written this essay for you. I am recording. I am preparing for a new release. I am rejoicing my life and my loved ones. I am alive and well but I have cancer. I have no reason to cause turmoil and discontent among you. Do YOU treat the site and all who visit w/ mutual respect? NO

You nag and brag and the shit is sooo sad.

You win.

Canibus is dead.

He doesn't want your support.

He doesn't need it.

He doesn't even care what you think anymore.

Shit.....You happy now?

Canibus just said himself that he's wack!

Canibus is Nobody.

Great.....Everybody go home now. If you're already home then turn off your computer and get a life.

I realize that this will only ignite more horse shit but I have reached my peak of sorrow at what the site has become because of the people that come here. Not just this site but all of them. Only the secret rooms at RTJ.NET provide cover for the king.

I never had a problem w/ CC, CW, RTJ, or any fuckin' canibus site for that matter but this shit is too much.

You call yourselves fans?

I never needed fans to be who I am.

I'm still the nicest on the mic muthafucker.

Most of you listen so closely to what I do because your biters anyway. And your beats is wack too!

I never took your money. I gave you dreams. It's your fault if they didn't come true. I made mine come true. I've decided to jump ship because your captain doesn't work for me. What other Rapper let's his fans make up their own mixtapes and fuckin' coffe mugs w/ a trademarked logo and all the other shit that I don't know about? Not sure who but I know I'm one of them. I don't even blink an eye at it b/c I thought the sites to be a haven away from the cold world. I give you the freedom to think and say whatever you choose. Choosing not to choose is still a choice and I give you that too. What is the point of signing out there in your own world only to bring your bullshit to my macrocosm. The world is one big house. Some of you are disgusted by what you've expirienced in one room so you flee to another to be w/ others who are more like yourselves. Look around this new room. Everyone in here is family by default because we all ended up here by accident. There are no accidents or are there? Why would you make it uncomfortable everywhere you go? If it gives you solace....great. I feel that I've gotten all that is good for me out of you.

Everything negative that is posted and discussed is at a price. That price is undoubtedly connected to my peace and harmony.

You've made this site a mockery of intelligent exchange. What you fail to understand is that your mocking yourselves because I don't participate. This site is for you. My likeness is only a disguise for something uglier within.

I'm glad someone decided to throw my name on a bill just so that I'd be a no show and cause damage to something that is dead already so I could see you for what you really are. It's '05 and I've changed. So you go ahead and stay the same and act as if some stupid fuckin' show matters. I didn't even know about it. Shows you how much you know. Where's the contract that I signed? How much did I get paid? Who was the promoter? Some of you are so fucked up to deliberately type false information in order to make me look bad. God Damn! Is it THAT serious? Who's paying YOU?

Man.....

It's the new year and I feel good. Ya'll niggaz need to shave ya' pubic hair and get that funk off cause it's fuckin' w/ ya' brain. Plus don't listen to ya' girl, They love that porno dick no matter what they say. Clean Shaven is always amazin'

Peace Niggaz!

GONE,
BUS

P.S. This is living art. Keep watchin'


And sorry CG, I don't know anything about The Game album. I don't keep track of him at all.

[Kris P. Lettus]

ODB's "Return to the 36 Chambers"

That album was discontinued and will be worth money one day..

[Kris P. Lettus]

OMf'nG there's a new Ghetto Boys album out..

:hyper:OMG:hyper:

I need a washcloth..

[Hardcore Holly Fan]

Just download some Young Mc if you like old school hip hop check out these tunes their quality.

Roll With The punches
Principal's Office

Arrested Development are ace too check out these

Mr Wendal
People Everyday

And last but not least Dj Format

Vicious Battle Raps

Enjoy

[Kris P. Lettus]

http://www.dango727.com/eric_b_and_rakim.jpg

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Anything new and good out ladies?

Still finding it extremely hard to get into Nas' and Royce's new albums... definitely need a proper listen to 'em both! What's everyone's opinions on those two?

[Flow (Ice Cold) 3000]

I liked Street's Desciple, haven't really played it though since the day I bought it :\

[Kris P. Lettus]

Anything new and good out ladies?

I'll just suggest what I've been playing alot:

-Mos Def: The New Danger
-Devin the Dude: Just Tryin 2 Live
-Lil Wayne: The Carter
-Trick Daddy: Thug Matramony
-Masta Killa: No Said Date

:dunno:

[QuietStorm]

J.U.I.C.E - Tip of the Iceberg

J.U.I.C.E - All Bets Are Off


The Masta Killa album is alright, though I preferred the Masta Ace album. Heh. Also, if you check out rapreviews.com's Best of 2004 it was almost unanimous that the MF Doom/Madlib album was in everybody's top three. Amazingly I have yet to hear all of it.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

OOO I'll have to check rapreviews out then... was a good little read last year.

:yes:

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Also, if you check out rapreviews.com's Best of 2004 it was almost unanimous that the MF Doom/Madlib album was in everybody's top three. Amazingly I have yet to hear all of it.

Anyone got this?

Would reccommend getting?

Thinking it's time to get a few albums again... this, maybe Masta Ace, maybe Mos Def...

[CollegeGraduate]

The Game Cd has been Leaked!


I am off to find it...

[QuietStorm]

....and thanks for the birthday wishes. Forgot about that.


Happy late birthday also to Spanish AT, whose birthday was a day before mine. Something about the end of the year and Canibus fans. Interesting weirdness.

[The Champagne]

The Game Cd has been Leaked!


I am off to find it...

just tracks off of the documentary...they're easy enough to find :cool:

[CollegeGraduate]

OK. I got the Game album. The Cd is straight Fire. I am not saying this because I am a fan of westcoast rap, but this is perhaps one of the best debut albums for a rapper.

Go download it, ( buy it when it comes out too!) and let me know what you think. The track Produced by eminem and featuring Em is incredible.

For those of you who havent heard of game or listened to him, give him a chance. Quietstorm, I am looking at you.. :) If you dont like him after hearing the track with Em, then I respect that.

[QuietStorm]

I officially like one track. The title track is hot. Most of the production is nice. I like the Timbo beat, surprised the shit out of me. I usually think he sucks and is overrated.


Not a fan of Game. Sorry. He is kind of gangster though, at least studiowise.


Edit: Does he have to give props to his homies in every line?

[CollegeGraduate]

I officially like one track. The title track is hot. Most of the production is nice. I like the Timbo beat, surprised the shit out of me. I usually think he sucks and is overrated.


Not a fan of Game. Sorry. He is kind of gangster though, at least studiowise.


Edit: Does he have to give props to his homies in every line?


I respect that man. Atleast you gave him a listen. I do agree, that he did get repetitive with the props. However, the Cd is solid all around, lyric wise, production wise, and quality wise. And yes indeed, Game is Gangsteeer. Not studio wise. *Remembers when Easy M'Fuckin E called Dre and Snoop Studio Gangstas*

[Seanny One Ball]

I got the new Snoop Album yesterday, I was just in the shop looking around and I thought I'd see how he was doing nowadays.

I am pleasantly surprised, it's got signs of growing on me and it's still in my cd player.

He's more or less an r&b artist now, maybe that's a bit hasty but either way it works. :beer:

[CollegeGraduate]

I got the new Snoop Album yesterday, I was just in the shop looking around and I thought I'd see how he was doing nowadays.

I am pleasantly surprised, it's got signs of growing on me and it's still in my cd player.

He's more or less an r&b artist now, maybe that's a bit hasty but either way it works. :beer:



The New snoop album is garbage. Snoop has deteroriated into a lovey dubey non-pot smoking pussy. Bring Back the OG Snoop!

[jesus sucks]

not sure if im likin' the new nas album all that much. it's solid, and it's all listenable. but it sounds just like the stuff he was doing 6 years ago.

[Seanny One Ball]

The New snoop album is garbage. Snoop has deteroriated into a lovey dubey non-pot smoking pussy. Bring Back the OG Snoop!


Snoop breathes the same air he did back in the day so if he was ever a gangsta then he must be an OG.
Not that it really bothers me how his music changes, if it sounds good I'll listen to it.

It's good to see you've bought into the mainstream's version of selling out though.

[jesus sucks]

it's weird with snoop, he;s more of a personality now. but as a rapper he's average, even his voice isn't a cool sounding.

i still say that for that one album doggystyle just for that cd he was the best rapper of all time. lyrically it's immense. his voice, dr dre's beats, the guest artists the way he flows, fucking classic.

[CollegeGraduate]

Snoop breathes the same air he did back in the day so if he was ever a gangsta then he must be an OG.
Not that it really bothers me how his music changes, if it sounds good I'll listen to it.

It's good to see you've bought into the mainstream's version of selling out though.



Mainstream my ass.


Snoop changed completely from what made him initially succesful which was of course, gangsta rap. His voice may have not changed, and his rap style may not have changed but the substance and the material behind his ryhmes his changed considerable. He has evolved and imo, its not for the better. I havent bought into shit other than the fact that Snoop has changed.

[Simon]

Snoop sucks now. He was never anything particularly amazing but when you coupled his lazy-sounding vocals with Dre's funk it just sounded great. Now you have him doing the same lazy-sounding vocals which are just plain lazy, over beats that 1) don't suit him and 2) wouldn't suit anyone because they suck. Fucking Neptunes rubbish. His last album had a couple of nice tracks (Batman And Robin and that R&B track with Latoiya Williams...I Believe In You, I think it was called [?]), this latest one is terrible. And that Drop It Like It's Hot song is horrific. Annoying as hell.

Nas' album was the only CD I've really enjoyed in a long, long time. Luda's was nice but at the end of the day he hasn't improved from Chicken And Beer, and while it's decent it is inferior to that album with less stand-out tracks (:heart: Large Amounts for having one of the most random, infectious beats ever though). Nothing else really stood out. The coming year should be better though...Immortal Technique, Fat Joe (never the best rapper around, but always comes with a solid album and Armageddon has to be one of the most underrated producers around, always comes with a nice hard beat. Also, Joe's been working in ever-expanding circles and we can look forward to Jadakiss, Nas, Eminem, Ma$e and others appearing on the new album), Lauryn Hill (and possibly a new Fugees album...:drool:?), the possibility of Dre's never-ending Detox project finally coming to fruition and 184 new Tupac albums...come onnnnnn.

That last paragraph seemed to go on for years and years.

[jesus sucks]

nah snoop used to be quality listen to his rhyme pattern on "tha shiznit" and they say he was never anything special. some of his stuff on doggystyle is rapped as well as nas raps on illmatic if not better. it's just not as serious.

[Simon]

I love Doggystyle but it's all about the beats and to an extent the flow that Snoop has because it suits the relaxed music, but it's not great lyricism or flow really.

[Seanny One Ball]

some of his stuff on doggystyle is rapped as well as nas raps on illmatic if not better. it's just not as serious.


You've opened up a whole new line of thinking with this "not as serious" comment.

I bet a lot of people get confused and assume there's a difference in quality of a rap song that's done with seriousness and one that's done more relaxed.
To take this a little bit further - Snoop can still spit with head and skill even though he's got nothing to be serious about right now.

Rhythm & Gangsta is good stuff, I aint liking the Nelly track too much, but I really like the track he does with the beegee sample.
And I do enjoy a bit of crip walking to "Drop it Like it's Hot".

[Mr. Boombastic]

Sure, Snoop's never going to make another classic like Doggystyle, why does he? When he made Doggystyle, he could either bring the most intense, gangsta, party album ever or else he would be a failed rapper. Musicians often go down in quality overtime and its not really very rare for one simple reason, desire. The belief that great art needs inspiration from times of hardship and suffering is somewhat true. Back in the day, Snoop was just a gang member trying to make a better life for himself. Now he has so much money, his perspective has certainly changed from 1994.

Snoop used to be raw, angry, gangsta, now hes just rich and famous enjoying his life. He still makes some decent music, its just not nearly up to par to Doggystyle.

I agree that I wish he had another classic like Doggystyle, but can you really blame the guy for changing his style? No, it naturally occurred as he went from a bum to a music superstar. It happens in music.

If you are looking for a more oldschool Snoop sound, listen to 213-The Hard Way, theres some fun tracks and a good album for nostalgia.

[jesus sucks]

i still say he used to be the best rapper for a year or two, not just going by some of the doggystyle songs but from some radio 1 freestyles he did. i used to have them on tape about 10 years ago, it was insane, they went on forever.

i've had arguments with people before when i've said doggystyle is as good as illmatic. i've listened to both at least a couple of thousand times and the only difference is one rapper is coming from a new york ghetto environment and the other is coming from an LA ghetto. the rhyme patterns, storytelling and flow is equal on both, but i'd give it to snoop since his album came out a year earlier and didn't take him 3 years to make it like it did for nas. nas was more insightful but he wasn't funny, snoop had an insightful track (murder was the case) which is lyrically classic and the rest of the album was hilarious. the rapping on tha shiznit is better than all but about 2 songs on illmatic, lyrics and flow.

[jesus sucks]

i did something the other day i swore i'd never do, buy a cam'ron album.

there's something about his raps i like, his flow is weird and his lyrics are so simple and shit that he's good. it's nothing groundbreakin' like but it's good music to chill to. it's rocafella so it's the usual rocafella style beats. the 2 kanye west tracks are great, dipset forever produced by kanye is a monster of a tune. there's about 6 or 7 monsters on it. i also like the way he says KILLA and CAM quietly overlapping the hooks.

[QuietStorm]

You have just gone from someone I don't know to a brother. It's that easy because I see the intent of your message to me. THANK YOU NATE.

I will continue to inspire you to inspire me.


GONE,
BIS

[Seanny One Ball]

i did something the other day i swore i'd never do, buy a cam'ron album.

there's something about his raps i like, his flow is weird and his lyrics are so simple and shit that he's good. it's nothing groundbreakin'


I've found myself starting to feel the same way about Fabolous. It's that new song "Breath", it's quality. People say he has multi's coming out of his ass,and if I knew what the fuck a multi was I'd probably agree with them.
I might even buy this album at some point, I'll have to get past that lumidee atrocity first though.

[Seanny One Ball]

You have just gone from someone I don't know to a brother. It's that easy because I see the intent of your message to me. THANK YOU NATE.

I will continue to inspire you to inspire me.


GONE,
BIS


If this is real, what did you say to him?

[QuietStorm]

Of course it is real. He left his email in the guestbook at ripthejacker.net back in May, I just felt the need to leave him a note after his long essay in response to the December 26th incident.


I can't remember exactly what I said, I didn't even save it and he erased it in the reply. But it involved wishing him luck beating cancer, how most of his fans are pricks who look too far into his personal life and jump to baseless conclusions, and to make music that satisfies himself and not others. Also, to make sure I am on his street team for the new album. Ha. There were a few other things and it turned into a rambled mess cuz it was in the morning and I was tired, but evidently it got through.




Cam'ron is shit. I have said before that he is the worst rapper to ever hold the mic.

Fabolous is decent. Breathe is cool.

[jesus sucks]

he is shit like.... his mixtape rhymes were good years ago but now his lyrics are horrible. i bought the purple haze cd for the beats and flow and i like it. you either dig that rocafella style or you don't, i just do.

[QuietStorm]

DJ Shadow will be producing a track on Hell'z Winter, Cage's debut on Definitive Jux. Thought Simon might be interested in what that pussy, RJD2-inferior producer is up to these days.

[Raw Is Jonathan]

DJ Shadow will be producing a track on Hell'z Winter, Cage's debut on Definitive Jux. Thought Simon might be interested in what that pussy, RJD2-inferior producer is up to these days.

:mad:

DJ Shadow owns.

Well Endtroducing did anyway...

[son_of_foley]

if i wanted to gety into mos-def where is a good place to start? new album? Stupid as it sounds i just like his voice and the some of his rhymes are on another level.

[Seanny One Ball]

Listen to the track "Two Words" by Mos Def and Kanye West.

Good track.

[son_of_foley]

thats what is interesting me the most actually mate. I liked that. Liked the pahroe (sp) munch song years ago and like the new one doing the rounds over here at the minute. sex lies and videotape. Just would kind of like to extend my tastes buyt dont know if there is any albums by him more accesible than others.

That is a hot song though i love that album. I went off it for a while and now its on constantly

[Morrison]

If you want to get into Mos, I'd suggest picking up Black Star. It's him and Talib Kweli's debut album. Solid, solid stuff. Then as far as his solo stuff, either of his two albums are great. The New Danger seems to be where he experiements a bit more, as he has some very hard sounding beats which remind me more of rock then rap(Freaky Black and The Rape Over, which includes a Doors' sample).

[son_of_foley]

sweet thanks very much you knowledgable thing you !!!!

[QuietStorm]

Mos Def is another prime example of why Krispy hates me. :(


Love Kweli though.

[QuietStorm]

Try to act like you dont know who it is //
Around the globe there is kids that play the Canibus Quotable Quiz//



The Vitruvian Man. New Canibus mixtape. 14 tracks, 10 of which are new. It is spectacular. Especially track 8. The bagpipes are immense. Not to mention he kills Jin and Kanye West in 2 lines.

[Simon]

Yeah that freestyle over the bagpipes is fucking hilarious :D

[Raw Is Jonathan]

Send.

[spanish announce table]

I was looking at a bunch of sites in search of these tracks, but all the links were dead. I NEED to hear these.

[QuietStorm]

I'll upload it to yousendit.com and PM you the link. Just a sec. I have it at 320 kpbs. Perfect quality.


Edit: It's taking forever. And I have to be off. I'll PM you the link when I get home. But that could be about 12 hours from now. :$

[QuietStorm]

The greatest album that you would undoubtedly hate:


Reviews:
Drowned in Sound Review
Selling Live Water
by sole on anticon
Release date: 20th January 2003


There is a big picture, but the paint is running. ‘Selling Live Water’ is a vivid corner of the canvas; an exhausting 90 BPM ride through the eyes of Tim Holland, head of the Californian hip hop collective anticon - one which deftly juxtaposes the personal and universal, barrelling past old friends, the 'war on terror' and sole himself – there is no persona here. Just Tim and a paper-thin alias. Hell, this isn’t even paper thin - he could be thinking into the microphone.

And he thinks like someone who understands that they'll only ever grasp corners of anything. In the liner notes, sole refers to his attempts to break down the propaganda he is surrounded by, and political commentary serves as a vital facet of the album, to the extent that the bile with which he regards his government rises to drown the individual who even begins to accept a life within the country’s urban veins. Which is where the self-revulsion begins, tied inextricably to the world at large; to the culture gulfs that exist in every city, to the materialism inherent in even putting out a record; sole raps "you make songs on CDs that vanish in a vacuum of money made and things piled on shelves" – he sounds tired of his own voice.

The constant vitriol here doesn’t make for easy listening, and sole isn’t in any way mysterious. He’s honest, and as such his music comes with all the baggage we associate with such backhanded compliments. After about the fourth cracked moan of "my poor aging face" on 'Slow Cold Drops', it’s spelt out fairly clear that this isn’t a party album. Nevertheless - if you can face up to someone else’s soul bearing without wincing - 'Selling Live Water' is one of the most engaging pieces of music to drop in 2003. Holland’s gruff rap moves between conversational drawl and an arrhythmic bark that torpedoes over the understated mix of samples and live instrumentation that acts as a backdrop more than an accompaniment; a swirling mixture of head-nodding beats (try listening to ‘Pawn in the Game Pt.1’ without at least tapping your foot) lounge-jazz and rock guitars.

The production is progressive, but not difficult; the mixture of sampled melodies and live instrumentation gives the whole record a submarine clarity and (as with many anticon releases) the more listens the listener gives, the more content the album returns - the subtleties of the production, another spat out line that failed to register last time you heard it. You grow to know sole, and yet, of course, you don’t – but the impression that you do is an aim achieved. By creating a connection between artist and listener (however real), ‘Selling Live Water’ genuinely feels like a trip through someone else’s psyche, and if that psyche only constitutes a corner of a great big picture that we’re all a part of, it’s a trip to see how that corner connects to the rest.

------------------------------------------------------------

The sound of this, Sole's second proper, full-length album, is as straight-up as the core Anticon collective are likely to produce. Although with those guys, you never know when they might drop a jiggy r'n'b album for pure irony's sake (and we can only hope!). It might follow the hiphop formula quite closely, but Selling Live Water is as likely to surprise those that are unfamiliar with Anticon's makeshift armada, as any DoseOne record. However, as their acting 'frontman', and in the wake of his Martyr Theme Song, Sole is on a mission perusing the anthemic.****

For those of you who don't know, Sole is an angry young man. 'Always wanted to be a rapper, but when I finally made it there , no-one wanted me', raps Sole on album opener Da Baddest Poet. And with that in mind, he pours out some of his frustration at people, himself, the industry, politics, the world, in fifteen tracks. Sole doesn't have the prettiest rap voice, and he's certainly not singing the blues - his is the barren, angular signature of discontent. And you know what, it's surprisingly catchy!

Actually, Selling Live Water might have been pretty depressing, if weren't for some excellent instrumentals from Anticon's finest. Odd Nosdam donates two productions to the album, in the form of the sparse, grinding Salt On Everything, and the melodic guitar electro of the title track. Jel rocks another two tracks, with some typically, brilliantly mismatched Portishead scratches on Respect pt 3, stapled roughly to his otherwise precise hi-fi drums. Alias is the real silent star of Selling Live Water though, having produced the majority of the tracks, every one of them memorable and brilliantly executed. However, Jim Jesus' diet-dnb on Da Baddest Poet I'm distinctly unsure about.

Sole's quest for anthems is fruitful - there are enough ironic chorus hooks on his album to get dumbfuck Eminem fans waving their arms and chanting along. It also seems that Sole's not prepared to run the risk of being misunderstood, with a whole song apologetically and defensively directed at his myriad critics.

The record comes with a printed booklet of lyrics, with long-winded explanations to each track. His general, post-adolescent vitriol of Bottle Of Humans has matured into something altogether more thoughtful and reflective. On Plutonium, he delivers the line, 'I know nothing but at least I know', which, in a time of casual repetition of media-induced bullshit, is a sentiment I have a lot of respect for.

It may be very personal, but Selling Live Water can't really be accused of narcissism. If anything, it's a self-confessed naivety, coupled with a social consciousness that drive Sole on this record. It's the feeling of outrage and despair that everyone knows McDonalds are cutting down rainforests, but nobody is running through the streets with anger about it, nobody is smashing their stores, boycotting their food. Sole's is a kind of pop-tastic hopelessness, yet fueled with all the energy of youth and intelligence. He's maturing, and as a result, Selling Live Water is great from start to finish.******

-XvScott



Greatest hip hop album ever. (Note that I say this quite a bit)


Live from Rome comes out next month and despite not sounding quite as good from the advance copy, it's still noiseworthy.

[Dan The Man]

Well it certainly sounds intriguing, to say the least... I shall be on the lookout...

Bonus points for seemingly being similarly recommended by Ken/strange famous/sinsix (http://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=7193)

:dead:dead to the world, bury me now:dead:

sin six: oldschool like a motherfucker.

[QuietStorm]

I just bought the Dead to this World t-shirt that says 1968-2005 on the back. :cool:


And yes, I admit that sin six had a LOT of influence in getting me into Anticon/Definitive Jux.

[spanish announce table]

Thanks for the link for the Canibus mixtape. Almost all of the verses he spits have been posted on canibus-world, or he's used them on radio freestyles over the summer. A lot of them didnt sound so great when they were just posted as text, but his delivery is INTENSE. Makes any rhyme sound good.

The track about Tariq is awesome. One of Bis's best yet. The Mario parody track became much funnier when I heard Mario's version for the first time today. Overall, there isn't a weak track on here, and Bis sounds sick over Nottz beats. He needs to get on that Pitch Black/Busta Rhymes/Nottz track. It would match him perfectly.

How was this released? Did he have to break a bootlegger's leg for leaking his shit?

[Morrison]

Just got Quality Control by J5 and Blazing arrow by Blackalicious. Loving them both.

However, I picked up a few tracks, as there were only a few to begin with, from Lateef the Truth Speaker. Has anybody else heard him? I was blown away by one track, specifically, called The Wreckoning, but the 2 others and the duet with Lyrics Born are just as great.

[penguinman]

3 questions:

1) has anyone heard the game's album? is it good?

2) has anyone heard of the "best of eminem" album? what songs are on there

3) has anyone heard of the "straight from the lab lp" what is it?

[monkeywrench]

Best HipHop albums I've got are Grits - "Art of Translation", Grits - "Dichotomy A", and Ill Harmonics - "Take Two"

I wanna grab DJ Maj's "Full Plates" mixtape, get exposed to some other artists

[Fro]

1) has anyone heard the game's album? is it good?

Yea, I copped it a few days ago and it definetly doesn't dissapoint. The production is really well done (Dre, Timbaland, Hi-Tek, Kanye, Just Blaze, Havoc, Em). In fact, there probably isn't a beat I don't like on it. Game holds his own lyrically, and the result is a damn good album. If you like Aftermath's musical style, you will definetly like this. It matches and arguably surpasses 50's Get Rich or Die Tryin.

[QuietStorm]

Best HipHop albums I've got are Grits - "Art of Translation", Grits - "Dichotomy A", and Ill Harmonics - "Take Two"

I wanna grab DJ Maj's "Full Plates" mixtape, get exposed to some other artists
LMAO.


Praise the Lord.

[CollegeGraduate]

Yea, I copped it a few days ago and it definetly doesn't dissapoint. The production is really well done (Dre, Timbaland, Hi-Tek, Kanye, Just Blaze, Havoc, Em). In fact, there probably isn't a beat I don't like on it. Game holds his own lyrically, and the result is a damn good album. If you like Aftermath's musical style, you will definetly like this. It matches and arguably surpasses 50's Get Rich or Die Tryin.


It was a good album. At first, I jocked the shit out of it but after giving it a full listen over weeks span, I have concluded that It is not as solid as I initial thought. Some tracks do not belong on the album. It does not fit his style. I am talking the r&b songs. As far as it being better than Get Rich and Die tryin, its close. I feel though that 50's first album was more solid then the documentary. Still though, the documentary is a great album and I look forward to more of the game in the future.

[Fro]

Anyone get the Wu-Tang Manual? I'm gonna pick it up as soon as I can get to a bookstore, it sounds like its pretty sweet.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Ner, but I'll pick it up.. I did get Diciples of the 36th Chamber, their Live album.. Good track list but they cut all song down to like 2 verses.. The longest song on the whole thing is like 3 minutes..

:mad:

Anyway, I just went and rebought Outkast ATLiens and southerplayalisticaddilacmusik because some stold them..

[jesus sucks]

i'll pick it up too. :yes:

wu tang lah.

[Deka]

Anybody cop that Barrio Fino album?

[QuietStorm]

I'll cop it for a coaster. Or a frisbee.

[ichi]

Anyone going to be catching Sage Francis or Dalek on tour?

[QuietStorm]

Yeah, I am going to see Sage on February 15th in Detroit.

[ichi]

awesome, I'll be seeing him in Tampa.
can't wait to for the new LP.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Anyone heard of Saul Williams?? This chick I've been hanging out with is in love with him.. He's pretty good..

[Simon]

Yeah he's cool, not a huge fan but he's ok

What the hell is this about Havoc dissing Prodigy :wtf:

[TapOut]

I just got John Legend's new album, Get Lifted.

Meh. It's definetely worth listening to, and worth the purchase, but people are acting like he's the second coming of Ron Isley or Stevie Wonder, and he's far from it. He's merely a a decent RnB singer with a cool name.

Also bought Ruben Studdard's new album. Very good gospel album, on par with Smokey Norful or Yolanda Adams. Good stuff. 7.5 out of 10.

[Simon]

I liked that 'Sorry for 2004' track Studdard did...is he that fat oaf that won American Idol?

[TapOut]

Yes. And it seems he's getting bigger by the day.
Stomach wise, not career wise.

[Kris P. Lettus]

R'n'B isn't Hip Hop..

[ichi]

Just picked up Beans latest today, only gave it one listen so far but so far so good. Much more bass heavy than Tomorrow Right Now.
Eagerly waiting for Airborn Audio's debut, you can get a mixtape on iTunes right now.

[Seanny One Ball]

What the hell is this about Havoc dissing Prodigy :wtf:


???

I take it nobody saw this - but I'm pretty interested.

I always liked Havoc more :chin:

[QuietStorm]

My Control. New Canibus.



"If a mic was a gun I'd be Bis Eastwood/ damagin' MC's with oxygen they can't breathe...."



I even got a mask and gloves to bust slugs.



That is not part of the track.

[jesus sucks]

found a lil gem the other day while rooting through my cd's. i got it off amazon a couple of years ago but i've just never gotten around to listening to it. LOST BOYZ "legal drug money", 1996. i used to really like that renee track back at the time, so that's why i bought it, but just about every track is a classic. grimey nineties new york rap with production from easy mo Bee, pete rock and the lost boyz. dunno what ever happened to easy mo bee, he's one of the best ever. got in on as hype up music as im going out tonight :headbang:

[The Champagne]

suuup,

The Game is coming to my city next month, so I think ill probably buy tickets...not really excited to see him tho lol

hey, yall see danny boy on american idol? he going by his real name, he's still young too, only 26 years old...i hope he wins

[QuietStorm]

found a lil gem the other day while rooting through my cd's. i got it off amazon a couple of years ago but i've just never gotten around to listening to it. LOST BOYZ "legal drug money", 1996. i used to really like that renee track back at the time, so that's why i bought it, but just about every track is a classic. grimey nineties new york rap with production from easy mo Bee, pete rock and the lost boyz. dunno what ever happened to easy mo bee, he's one of the best ever. got in on as hype up music as im going out tonight :headbang:
:yes:

Definitely a classic, as was their album after that. Back when Mr. Cheeks was decent.

I wonder whatever happened to A+, he was affiliated with them for a bit and had that one hit on Hempstead High. Then he fell off the map. I heard a rumor he died, but I think he just quit rapping. I liked the dude's voice and flow, even if Canibus was on a lot of the writing credits.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Renee

p.s. there was much better out around that time period..

[Cubed-Sphere]

:yes:

Definitely a classic, as was their album after that. Back when Mr. Cheeks was decent.

I wonder whatever happened to A+, he was affiliated with them for a bit and had that one hit on Hempstead High. Then he fell off the map. I heard a rumor he died, but I think he just quit rapping. I liked the dude's voice and flow, even if Canibus was on a lot of the writing credits.
The follow-up album, "Love, Peace, and Nappiness", was definately a classic as well. Their 3rd album is the weakest lyrically but still solid because of the great beats. I've been waiting like 5 years for a new one from these guys.

[QuietStorm]

www.babygrande.com


After close to nearly three years apart, Jus Allah, Vinnie Paz and Stoupe have reconciled and committed to making music together again. Babygrande and Jus Allah reached an agreement early this morning for the release of Jus Allah's solo record in May. Jus Allah will also appear on The Army of the Pharoahs' forthcoming album, The Torture Papers, set to be released later this year.

Jedi Mind Tricks was the first artist signed to Babygrande. Jus Allah's sudden departure shocked and saddened us all. We've missed him and his creativity. Welcome home.

www.jus-allah.com (coming soon).

[Dan The Man]

"mc, one more thing: how'd you get to be such a big star?"
"Well I'm pretty good fucking rapper."

I sound like a ten year old, or so I've been told
But you don't need a voice that's low to make the microphone gold
Others claim that they be Midas but they got laryngitis
So why't you kick it with the MC with the voice that's the highest?

mc chris - Life's a Bitch, And I'm Her Pimp (http://67.18.79.2/lab) <-- full album (if you want to call four songs and four skits an album... but that's why it's free)

Non-LAB songs to get: "ten year old", "white kids love hip-hop", "hijack", "Number One With The Ladies"

"Um, mc, I got one more question for you"
"Ugh, what is it kid, I gotta get on stage"
"Um, will you be my daddy?"
"Yeah, I'll be your daddy; get in the van."

[Simon]

Terrible. Downloaded, listened, deleted. The opening of the beat for DQ Blizzard is nice, until that fucking little retard starts rapping over it.

[Dan The Man]

"DQ Blizzard" is junk though. The non-LAB songs are far better, but I can't exactly link to them. But really, "DQ Blizzard" is clearly the worst of the four songs on LAB, so if you're going to put that up as your favorite part of the album then there's not much point in trying to convince you of anything.

[Simon]

It's the song where his voice is most blurred out. I think he's using the 'people don't like my voice' line to cover up the fact that he's garbage. The lyrics on that Christmas song were embarassing. I assume it's a joke, but the fact that a bit of work has been put into the beats suggest not. I hope it's a joke.

[Dan The Man]

Well you're a mod; I wouldn't expect you to grasp concepts like "humor" and "comedy"...

And yes, I was torn over whether to go with "mod" or "British"... I'm reasonably sure I made the right choice.

[Simon]

Going along with the stereotypes, perhaps I should you as an American to find his music funny, seeing as the humour is crude, stupid and ultimately unfunny. Seriously...show me a single funny line in all of that. Those ones you posted were terrible, and I didn't hear anything better in what I listened to. With literally thousands of humourous rappers out there, how come you've chosen the blatantly unfunny gimmick rapper.

[Dan The Man]

Here's the part where I say "Agree to disagree then" so as to not waste time going back and forth on a subjective issue, while still maintaining that I'm right and you're wrong.

[Simon]

OK, cool.

I'm right, though.

[QuietStorm]

Fucking going on tonight.

Fucking FRANCIS going on tomorrow.


Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Dan The Man]

Fucking Aesop Rock going on the day after.

Edit: Scratch that. A week from the day after. Calendars are dumb.

[QuietStorm]

I bought the Fast Cars, Danger, Fire and Knives t-shirt and would like to see him live since the EP is fairly awesome. But I'm not sure if he is coming to Michigan. I only see an Illinois, Ohio, and Indiana show at the beginning of April. Oh well. At least he tours, unlike Canibus. :(


(though he did do a freestyle last night at The Roots Grammy All Star Jam and apparently pissed Questlove off by telling him not to play the drums while he performed)


Ah yes, it helps to do research....

04/07/05
Detroit, MI
St. Andrews Hall


I'm there.

[QuietStorm]

It was an entertaining show, as if Sage could ever do anything less. But a lot of stupid shit happened and it makes me even more embarrassed for the entire city of Detroit. They are on their last thread. Glad to see he is playing the Blind Pig the next time through. Such a better venue.



From Sage Francis:


Over 300 "boys" came to kill me in detroit


Not my best show.
Not my worst show.
Maybe the worst show of this tour, but still not bad.


Fuck a Clear Channel....my belief is even more affirmed.

Here's a big reason, and one that I have never articulated well before: There is no accountability in a beaurocracy. No one seems to know how to fix a problem, or why something happened, and they don't generally care. No accountability. Beaurocracy. There's always someone else to blame.

Two openers popped up out of nowhere. Clear Channel booked them without telling us. I almost disallowed their performance based on principle alone but after talking to them I felt bad because they were really nice guys.

The guy who was doing lights refused to work because we had a non smoking policy. So he was like "peace." they got another fucker to do the lights. Such an important job. Couldn't have done the show without him.

The sound kept cutting out. My mic kept cutting out. The power kept cutting out on stage. The music kept cutting out. We worked through it, but it really affected the momentum of our performance.

On top of that bullshit, I could hardly hear my voice again so I spent yet another evening straining to the point of exhaustion.


Some dude came up on stage and battled me during "Spaceman." His name is WHITE TRASH. he is serious. I played along. I told him the number on his shirt is how many times I fucked his mom. WHOOPEEDOOOOooooo. hahaha, god battling is so fucking stupid but it was fun. probably one of the better parts of the night. Or not.

They filmed part of my show for 8 Mile prt two, but I'm not sure if we're going to go through with that. Seems like a bad move.

At the end of the night, a top heavy woman was pressing up against me telling me how much she loves poetry. Poetry is like breathing. Poetry poetry poetry. Sign my...shirt? "I love everything you say".....and then she starts crying. Like...shaking crying. But this is not because I am the Beatles. She's just fucked up on something awful.

"I love your Personal Diaries album so fucking much, dude. You don't even know. Angel with Broken Wings.....that song is about me. I swear."

word for word.

10 seconds after signing her CD some crazy melee breaks out and this girl is throwing VISCIOUS shots to anyone around her. She BIT a chunk out of a security's guy's arm and he bashed her for it. Meanwhile, all of the security and a bunch of different girls are just WILIN out. It looked like some rabid animals were let loose on one another. I couldn't make sense of it at all...I just stood there (3 feet away) and continued to sign someone's poster or whatever they had.

Later on the security guy told me, "Fuck the dumb shit. That bitch wants to throw down like a man, she can go down like a man." Then he told me how much he liked my part of the show where I talked about the "one inch punch."

"That's my shit right there, boy"

Ahhhh...Detroit. A dude got shot in this club a week earlier. And tonight, the mother to one of the opening acts got shot. Everyone seemed on edge or just...weird.

Impervious to any harm, I walked all the way back to the hotel in my sweat drenched clothes and watched the snow drift in front of street lights. It was beautiful. Detroit looks a lot better than I thought it would. I'll be playing the Blind Pig the next time through.

[Fro]

Checkout this new track by Rakim on hiphopdx.com:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/audio/hottraxx/rakim-welcome_to_the_hood.ram

Dude's still got it, can't wait for him to release a new album.

[QuietStorm]

Oh come on. Rakim is a legend. But that was weak. The production was better than the vocals.

[Simon]

This new LL Cool J song 'Hush' is hilarious. What a big pussy he's turned into, I'd probably take him in a fight nowadays.

[jesus sucks]

i've just put on brand nubian "one for all" for the 1st propper time. been going through my cd collection over the last month or so and digging out some classics that i could do with listening to. got it a few years ago, :heart: sadat X. what a flow. only a couple songs in, sounding class already.

[Seanny One Ball]

Sadat X did some shit with Big L didn't he?

[jesus sucks]

i listening to that album i was on about, it was ok like. not really my kind of beats but the rapping was quality.

not sure who sadat x has worked with, i'd have to look on the back of the big L albums next time i play em. Big L is better than him, though.

[Kris P. Lettus]

Big L would have been the greatest MC of all time had it not been for his untimely death..

On a more positive note, I picked up the Wu Tang Manual today.. Seems pretty decent, if you're into the Wu..

KPL: Microphone Checker