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TRO

September 14th, 2004, 5:30 PM

^^ The one with Nate Dogg is "Till I Collapse". Best track on the album, IMO.

EDIT: Well, the little "^^" thing doesn't work since this post started a new page, but that was in response to the previous post...

Kris P. Lettus

September 14th, 2004, 5:36 PM

Slim Shady is his best work.. He was a punch-line machine.. Then he tried (too hard) to be "thug"..

Now he's shit..

My boy told me about Game (from G-Unit) and Joe Buddens battle.. Despite Joe Buddens being utter garbage, it's supoosedly super pimp..

Anyone heard/have it??

sethmuhane

September 14th, 2004, 5:45 PM

I disagree. I think Slim Shady's CD's have gotten better each time. SSLP was an experiement that could have been better. MMLP was a work of art that was about ten steps up from the first CD. And The Eminem Show was the best so far. It kept selling and growing in popularity, that's why between video and radio play seven tracks played regularly on rotation and people went apeshit whenever his music was played in the clubs. The question is: can his latest piece of work to his last?

Kris P. Lettus

September 14th, 2004, 5:50 PM

Yeah cause selling alot of albums and being popular means someone is good..

Simon

September 14th, 2004, 5:51 PM

The reason he had 7 tracks getting played in clubs is because that's what he went for. I'm not going to call him a sellout, because I don't think that's what it is, but he DID abandon the style that made him great on SSLP, the don't-give-a-fuck comedian with an acid tongue and brilliant, brilliant rhymes. By TES, he just sounds like a whiny cunt crying about the down side of fame.

Simon

September 14th, 2004, 5:52 PM

Yeah cause selling alot of albums and being popular means someone is good..Dropping a platinum album ain't got shit to do with luck, it just means a million people is stupid as fuck :cool:

Kris P. Lettus

September 14th, 2004, 5:53 PM

OMG

Simon is right!!1!

:hyper:

Simon

September 14th, 2004, 5:55 PM

Na, Immortal Technique was right :D

Kris P. Lettus

September 14th, 2004, 6:06 PM

Na, Immortal Technique was right :D

I didn't know he made that post about Eminem up this page...

:roll:

;)

sethmuhane

September 14th, 2004, 6:11 PM

It is impossible for a hip hop artist to stick with their original sound and go mainstream. They have to sellout at some point. I remember when Ice Cube use to dis white people on The Predetor and Amerikkka's Most Wanted and now he's having dinner parties with said crowd. He used to hang with Public Enemy and did Burn Hollywood Burn but now he's making mainstream movies with the best of them.

Most mainstream hip hop artists sellout and abandon their original style because it brings them one thing: more dollars. And that's all anyone in the fucking United States cares about. If you say you don't, you're lyin'. The artists who don't sellout, keep the small faithful audience that they started with, fade into oblivion, or end up strung up on crack cocaine or in prison as some other gangsta's hoe.

Kris P. Lettus

September 14th, 2004, 6:19 PM

QuietStorm

September 14th, 2004, 7:44 PM

First off, the best track on TES is by far Say Goodbye Hollywood.

Chino XL has changed his style a few times now and is still dope as fuck and considering the one thing that has always stayed the same for him is his constant dissing of mainstream personalities he should be mainstream in his own right, since the people seem to love that.

And Jay-z is so overrated, one decent album and eight bores. He is so bland it makes my head want to explode. The only album that entertained me a bit since Reasonable Doubt was Blueprint 2 and that was mainly because of the production, the rhymes for the most part were still laughable and with it being a double album there was a bunch of album filler. Nas is superior in every aspect, I could care less what he says in interviews as long as he continues to get the job done in the studio. And personally, I thought God's Son was better than Stillmatic. I think I may be the only fan of Nas who doesn't view One Mic as a classic of his. :\
-------------------------------------------------

And for all you fools who think I don't know good hip hop........

I see that rapreviews has my back.

Wordsworth :: Mirror Music :: Halftooth Records
as reviewed by William Ketchum III

Wordsworth knows about paying dues. Earning his stripes in the Lyricist Lounge circuit, he has a resume that boasts numerous acting stints working with heads such as Black Star and Q-Tip. But his EP with partner-in-crime Punchline disappointed fans, and while he kept the street laced with blazing singles, he never had an album to show for it. With his solo debut Mirror Music (which also acts as the first solo album from fledging label Halftooth Records), the Brooklyn-bred lyricist puts together an impressive collection of street bangers and narratives that'd make his underground hip-hop brethren proud.

Words makes it clear that he's still got the goods that earned him his reputation. Ayatollah and Sebb supply him with certified bangers—"Right Now" and "Point Blank," respectively—that compliment his syncopated, science teacher delivery and punchline prowess. The Punch ‘N' Words reunion "Not Fair" doesn't disappoint, and he spits fire with Masta Ace and cousin Justyn Time for "EVOL." "Head High" does an exceptional job of highlighting the Halftooth roster, with verses by Words, Kenn Starr, and Oddisee , and the latter doubling behind the boards to contribute a delicious gumbo of soulful woodwinds and piano keys.

But the pleasant surprise is that Words brings more than just witty one-liners for the album. The majority of Mirror Music is made of vivid storytelling and introspective journal entires. Words describes his daily hip-hop grind on the Oddisee banger "Gonna Be," speaks on everything from CNN headlines to neighborhood activity on "What We Gon' Do," and uses "Be A Man" to give single parent props that'll prompt listeners to reevaluate their grown and sexy status. While "Unity" drags on with Words' reserved vocals and a sluggish beat, "Shoulder" has crossover potential with inspirational lyrics and Frequency's uplifting backdrop. Still, the album's shining moment comes in "Trust." Over a melodic, melancholy production by Dox 1, Words regretfully reflects on how he treated women in the past, and warns his daughter to avoid "dudes like me" in an especially touching third verse.

"Ladies and gentlemen, glad y'all waited, thanks, but I need your attention (right now)," Words says on the album's opener, "Right Now." With Mirror Music, listeners will be glad that they waited too.

Music Vibes: 8.5 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 10 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 9 of 10

sethmuhane

September 14th, 2004, 7:46 PM

U definitely know your hip-hop. Good call.

CollegeGraduate

September 14th, 2004, 9:31 PM

Yeah the kid knows his stuff. If only he would get over that cannibus thing.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 15th, 2004, 1:56 PM

By the way I ordered that Wordsworth.

:yes:

Oh, and fuck off! One Mic IS a classic. Go shag Cannibus or something!

:D

Seanny One Ball

September 15th, 2004, 2:22 PM

Canibus....his name is Canibus...

Simon

September 15th, 2004, 2:28 PM

Uh it's cannabis you idiot.

Also, Canibus still sucks. I'm sorry, but he sucks. Rubbish.

Kris P. Lettus

September 15th, 2004, 3:57 PM

Uh it's cannabis you idiot.

Can I Bus

Rip the Jacker had it's moments..

p.s.Anyone got/heard Gif of Gab's solo shit?? I got it and it's good but that's pretty much expected..

QuietStorm

September 15th, 2004, 4:03 PM

I didn't like the production, not one bit. Too bland. But Gift of Gab is still a beast.

And screw you HBK24! No new Royce for you. :cool:

AIDS is Gold, HIV is Platinum. Such an underrated Canibus classic.

The new Royce album/mixtape is badass btw.

Seanny One Ball

September 15th, 2004, 4:08 PM

Uh it's cannabis you idiot.

Also, Canibus still sucks. I'm sorry, but he sucks. Rubbish.

With posts like this, Simon's re-affirming our old stereotypes of the retarded :yes:

And, Uh, it's Canibus.

Simon

September 15th, 2004, 4:35 PM

I know it is you cretinous mongrel.

Seriously though, Canibus is shite. No flow, irritating voice, lyrics are nothing special...he's the only person I can think of who can freestyle over Victory and Guerrilla Monsoon Rap and make it sound boring, and that INCLUDES Shaq.

He's just dull.

That said, C Section was nice.

doyoulikepie

September 15th, 2004, 6:48 PM

whats gift of gabs solo album called, love blackalicious and gift of gab is one of my favourite MC's.

Has anyone bothered with Nellys CD's, my brother asked my to download em which i have done, but dont know if i can be assed to listen to them, are there any tracks on either of them that are worth listening to.

LOCONUT

September 15th, 2004, 7:31 PM

Don't diss Shaq. He is hard.

See:

You can't stop it block it when I drop it
anytime I go rhyme for rhyme on a topic
You ain't even fit to step in Shaq's arena
I look into your mind and I see your shook demeanor
In your eyes why are you suprised
no matter how you try I'm fly as eliquie
The new edition is this the end of your last night
in the day time you couldn't see me with a flashlight,
I crash flights on sights of my enemies,
I'm comin through, and then I bomb your whole vicinity,
why they actin fakin jacks, you're not a friend of me,
I peeped your card, you're not as hard as you pretend to be,
who wanna spark it, with the chocolate macademian,
hand clean to the cranium,
you know the name, Shaq aim to maintain,
money on the brain, can't stop the reign

:nono:

Kris P. Lettus

September 15th, 2004, 8:34 PM

whats gift of gabs solo album called, love blackalicious and gift of gab is one of my favourite MC's.

4th Dementional Rocketships Going Up

QuietStorm

September 15th, 2004, 9:14 PM

Jedi Mind Tricks snippets are ungodly. This album is going to be amazing. Paz stepped it up bigtime and Stoupe the Enemy of Mankind is a fucking genius on the boards. Just hearing the snippets make me want to punch a dude. "The Philosophy of Honor" is pure Violent By Design 2004. Full album should leak tonight or tomorrow. But I already pre-ordered it off sandboxautomatic, as should you.

The person being burned on the cover is supposed to represent one of those people in the car bombings in Iraq. The man dying in the picture represents the casualties as a result of the Legacy of Blood in the wars of the Middle East, spurned on by the Bush family....

Jedi Mind Tricks - Legacy of Blood (Babygrande)

01: Intro
02: The Age of Sacred Terror
03: Scars of the Crucifix
04: Death Falls Silent (Interlude)
05: Saviorself (ft. Killah Priest)
06: On the Eve of War (Julio Caesar Chavez mix) (ft. Gza)
07: The Darkest Throne (Interlude)
08: The Worst
09: Verses of the Bleeding (ft. Des Devious)
10: Beyond the Gates of Pain (ft. Sean Price)
11: Farewell to the Flesh (Interlude)
12: And So it Burns
13: The Spirit of Hate (interlude)
14: Me ne Shatto
15: On the Eve of War (Meldrick Taylor mix) (ft. Gza)
16: Winds Devouring Men (Interlude)
17: The Philosophy of Honor
18: Of the Spirit & the Sun
19: Before the Great Collapse

Shut Up, Mooney!

September 16th, 2004, 3:49 AM

I can smell the Jay-Z biase in your post, Shut up mooney. Sure, Nas has been a bit inconsistent, when you rap about more than money and hoes without the same basic format on every cd, your sound evolves and does not just stick to the winning formula.

I am curious in you pointing out all the falacies in "Ether" since "half" of the song is lies. Also, that song didnt kill Jay-Z's career, if anything it helped Jay-Z's career(hell the beef helped both of them out really), but I would say that Ether was a million times better than The Takeover.

Finally, all musical artists sell out to mainstream some degree or else we would likely never have heard of them, but if you believe that Nas is a sellout and Jay-Z is not only a sellout but much more of one, than you sir are crazy.

My post about Nas has nothing to do with bias at all. It was more about him being somewhat of a bullshitter in terms of the things he does and says. I have no problem with people making mainstream moves to make money- in fact I think it's great. After all, artists don't get into the industry for their health. But if you want to make the Jay-Z comparison, I'll go there...

Nas' career has been one contradiction after another. He made so-called "commercial" moves in his career, but I don't think they totally worked for him the way he thought they would. A quote from Nas in 1999- "fans don't understand when we get in this, we got in it to be stars, not to walk around with backpacks on talkin' about we 'hip-hop' and all that". But he's the same one who will now dis everyone else for "going commercial" as he's done exactly the same. He (and his fans) acts as if he's always been strictly for the streets and not trying to "go pop". It'd be one thing if he came in the game seeming as if he cared about being a star, or if he wasn't as judgemental of other artists. One minute he's making songs like "You Owe Me", then he's swearing off all things "commercial", then he's aligning himself with Murder Inc. I mean, most artists contradict themselves at one point or another, but ALL the time?

If Jay-Z "sold" out, he must've done it before he debuted. The Jay-Z seen in his first video (not the Hawaiian shit, he only APPEARED in that)- "In My Lifetime" was of him having money, broads, champagne, etc. He didn't come out trying to be the number one rep for the hood, or the "street disciple". He was doing this even before it was the big fashionable thing to do in hip-hop. Even on his first album, he had songs aimed at radio. As the years went on and hip-hop changed, his goal remained the same, which was to make music that was going to be viable and sell records, meanwhile not losing the street side as well. Throughout his career he's done this. He came in aiming for widespread appeal- and he did it. His career has been far more consistent, and for that he's accomplished a lot.

I'm not saying everything Jay's ever done has been absolutely great. But Nas fans are very biased, because they (much like Nas) are much quicker to point at everyone else before they point to him for the same thing. It's kind of like 50 Cent when he came out dissing Ja for singing girly shit, and now he's got all types of girly songs, sitting on the bed oiled up and shit. How is one different than the next?

For the record

Jay-Z- has made songs obviously aimed at radio and clubs
Nas- has made songs obviously aimed at radio and clubs

Jay-Z- has done a song with Mariah Carey
Nas- has done a song with Mariah Carey

Jay-Z- has made references to money and material possessions in songs
Nas- has made references to money and material possessions in songs

Those are just three examples.

Cubed-Sphere

September 16th, 2004, 12:46 PM

It's not what they both have done, it's what Nas has done that Jay-Z hasn't:

Nas has talked about REAL struggles in the ghetto
Jay-Z hasn't except on maybe one song.

Nas tells "poverty-stories" about children in an attempt to educate
Jay-Z hasn't.

I like Nas more than Jay-Z, much more, so i may be biased, but Jay-Z still isn't "bad", i loved Reasonable Doubt and the Black Album. I just think Nas is much more varied in the topics he raps about and is more conscious about what rap was originally for, poetry that educates about struggle.

Seanny One Ball

September 16th, 2004, 1:02 PM

Raw Is Jonathan

September 16th, 2004, 2:57 PM

*listens to god loves ugly*

*nods head*

:yes:

QuietStorm

September 16th, 2004, 7:11 PM

Sweet.

Legacy of Blood is a straight up banger, get that next.

Edit: Just so I don't have two posts in a row.....

It looks like Chino XL has had the Poison Pen album pushed back to NEXT YEAR. :mad: Lazy bastard. His flow is perfect now. I honestly think he might be the perfect rapper. His Wake Up Show freestyle over the American Psycho II beat and Messiah were both illness.

He is my new favorite rapper. He is going to outshine Canibus on all of their upcoming collaborations. I guarantee it.

HEEL TURN.

Cubed-Sphere

September 17th, 2004, 12:26 AM

I really don't see the fuss about Chino XL. He isn't as good as Canibus in his prime and is only a nudge better than Royce the 5'9''s previous albums, but Royce's new one is gunna smoke anything Chino does this year.

QuietStorm

September 17th, 2004, 5:12 AM

The two new Canibus interviews. The top one, actually the second of the two he did with CW, is by far the best interview Canibus has ever done even if he did email the answers and had time to think them out. So much information, he finally gives a straight answer about CTHS.........

1. Any truth behind the Exobus Scripts? If so, please
explain it.

The Exo-Bus Scripts means "Outer Canibus" as in "Outer
Space". It was a cool figure of speech in the 80's
during the "Space is the place" vibe from the Nucleus
album. I adapted the Exo-Bus Scipts as a title and
made some songs thru 93-94 that were written but never
recorded around the same time as "THEM". I haven't
talked about that in years. Your interests as fans in
obscure things intrigue me.

2. Ever heard of Immortal Technique? If so, would you
do a collab with him?

Immortal Technique is gifted. I would "collab" w/ him
in a heartbeat. Obviously you know where to reach me.

3. What was the reasoning/meaning behind CTHS?

Ironically, I take pleasure in seeing what it means to
you all. I sometimes picture that there is a gauntlet
of "pissed off people" that I have to run through
about CTHS. In the songs that were recorded around
that time I mildly remember quotes here and there
about my mentalmusicalemotional state. Statements that
came from me, of course. I was disillusioned w/ the
relationship between what I wanted and what I already
had. I wanted Eminem to know that I took Stan
personally because of what transpired between us both. I
will come clean and tell you that I played the
"asshole role" and hurt him deeply. If it's of any
consolation to you I was crushed 10 fold when I heard
STAN. Yes. Besides the fact that I heard the record
maybe a couple hundred short of 1 million times. Even
then I knew that my opportunity to make things right
w/ Em was nil. I was off of universal. EMI had lapsed
my publishing deal and I had recorded material to seek
another deal. @ the time it seemed lucrative to
release an LP independently as I had seen w/ Ca$h
Money, Master Percy, and Daz (who was eating like a mad
dog off that shit) as per my conversation w/ Wendy
Day. She was encouraging and helpful to me. I was
later introduced to Louis Lombard who released the
"Priesthood" album which happened to be a name that
we (me&KP) coined drunk off some Gramarne (I don't
drink anymore). Louis had explained some things to me
I had never heard before and thus CTHS was born. CTHS
was my 3rd release. My 4th and 5th were lyrical
beasts. The CTHS-MicClub-RTJ trilogy is undeliberate.
They are independent of each other. The only link
between them is me.

I wonder if what happened at the video shoot and some
of the following events(the tourbus meeting @ the
Syracuse NY show, the show at the Long Island
Coliseum, the cold face off at Cheung King) were just
buttons being snapped up on a shirt I was destined to
wear. I was still entangled in the backlash of
Battling "L". The Beef II DVD shows that my music
career was more of an unplanned publicity stunt for
"L" than it was for what I came in the fuckin' game to
do in the first place. I was like the "wrestler of the
week" or something. I have been unable to make amends
w/ L because he acts like he hates me. Even my mother
thinks he's sexy (like he says) but she don't feel him
cause she knows the effect that 2nd Round KO shit had
on my life. One-Hit-Blunder. I was a champ in Hip Hop
for a hot sec. I respected L enough to get tatted up
and give him a run for his skully. I revere him
enough now to say he changed my life for the better
because I found purpose. Maybe my effect on Hip Hop
helped others find purpose also.

Canibus ain't a lifestyle//
Canibus is the 9th mile//
Sike
I'm just playin' but I bet I made ya' smile/

Read: It was all in the Name of Hip Hop. Nobody really
got hurt. Honest to God. If I can look back and say
that I had a good time, how can LL or Eminem say they
had a bad one?

4. Any regrets in your career?

Yes. I regret that my style of Rap (Rhythm&Poetry) is
so intense that the line between the music and the intent
of it is blurred forcing the listener to concentrate
in order to hear the brilliance of it. Imagine the
rhythm of your favorite rappers accapellas. Imagine
trading vocals to qualified Beat Masters and changing
the background around the voice to augment the
listeners experience all together. I know most modern
rap is beat dominant but the accapellas will remain
and they will be judged. Even if there is a global
catastrophe and we are all wiped out. Something will
remain. I am an optimist/realist, but I suppose it's
possible that the name Canibus could be uplugged from
the program all together and cease to exist. My image
from the public is gone. Most high profile media(even
websites dedicated to me) make me out to be some sort
of fallen off rapper when I have blatantly
demonstrated "HOW TO RHYME" in ways that have yet to
be surpassed.

I put my accapellas up against many and the Master
Lists are some of the only good things that I can be
proud of as Modern Poetry in Hip Hop Form. It was
Canibus' contribution to Hip Hop. According to my
perspective there are only 18 emcees that have come,
stayed, and/or have gone but have given back to Hip
Hop w/ their FLOW. They planted a seed that every
youngin that raps now can trace back to what made them
wanna' rap. This is beginning to feel like a research
paper so I will summarize my influences but when I
heard RUN DMC for the first time and saw the influence
they had and I became a Hip Hop Slave who went out to
work in the fields and paid dues in the form of Raps
Served.

5. Anything unexpected happen in your career? (Good
for you)

I would like to see something good happen. Yes.

6. Will MicClub get any new merchandise?

A patron from CW is collecting all the info on missing
orders and any questions/concerns should be re-routed
there. He/She knows what to do.

7. Any tentative release dates for your solo project,
Jeymes Samuel, HRSMN, and BlackMILC albums?

During the 3rd and 4th quarter of '03 I had taken the
opportunity to record some material (16tracks) w/ BM
while I was on leave from duty. Shortly after the New
Year of '04 I also recorded some music w/ Jeymes and
Mr. Dan (3tracks) for a compilation album. The release
of the HRSMN album is long overdue and the novelty has
worn off. I have always shown interest in forming or
joining an MC supergroup. I'm sure it will happen.
King Tech & Sway suggested that a new supergroup w/
the added members(Chino, Pharaoh, Royce, and Crooked
I) would garner some hype and boost the possibility of
a full-out release in '05. I am at the ready for the
supergroup. I am currently recording my 6th album
which is as yet untitled. Nottz and the Teamsta's has
provided me w/ most of the production that in my
opinion are the biggest tracks I've ever touched.
THANX NOTTZ!!!!

I wholeheartedly believe that the public will be
pleased to hear Canibus over some hard hittin' beats.
This album will drop in '05 but I am toying w/ the
idea of making a mixtape w/ unreleased freestyles that
no one has and allow you guys to wet your beaks a
little. If the mixtape route is too tedious this year
I will probably just have the freestyles uploaded to
several sites. The material is becoming vast enough to
convince anyone of the skill.

8. If given the opportunity to speak to a college
class for about 45-60 minutes about anything on your
mind, would you take it? What would you talk about?

I'm not sure how plausible this would be but I would
prefer to listen to someone else speak for an hour. I
enjoy receiving enlightenment more than giving it. The
ideas and rhymes presented on "The Curriculum" were
only symbolic in nature and might not sound the same
in a open forum where my speech does not rhyme. Haiku
writing is boring sometimes. Some find it hard to pay
attention to Professors in college (I know I did) and I
thought it would be different to make songs that
rediscover the age old questions and theories in the
form of Poetry Over Hip Hop Beats.

9. Any plans for a tour? If so, what city?

I am currently negotiating w/ a booking agent @ APA
for placement on the leg of some ongoing tours set to
start this 4th quarter and possibly next spring. I
would love to open up 4 some acts if possible. I miss
touring but the music comes first.

10. If you could work with one person, dead or alive,
who would it be? Why?

I am in the realm of the living. Working w/ post humus
talent is pointless. We couldn't perform the songs
together and the intent of the record becomes
confusing. In a perfect world I wouldn't hesitate to
record w/ LL again, Eminem, State Property, and some
of the up and coming rap artists to show that it's all
about the music. My love for Hip Hop has involuntarily
made us brothers. No quarrel should stop the music.
Different perspectives from each of us can only make
the music better.

11. Who do you consider a TRUE friend in the industry?

Not many. Mainly due to the Enigma Stigma that Canibus
has. I accept part of the responsibility but the
remainder of the burden rests squarely on the
shoulders of those that listen and others who don't
even take the time to find out what makes Canibus
stand out. Some feel that my ability to rhyme is a
gift. I think the ability to understand it is a gift.
The ones who understand are my brothers/sisters while
those that don't and follow anyway are my fans. Those
that understand and still fight against me are STANS.

For the brothers that have gone so far as to make an
animated video of CURRICULUM 101, I say thank you, but
do not accept donations on my behalf. The technology
to display the visual of my poetry will be available
soon. To the fans that have supported until they heard
of the True Hollywood Story and then abhorred it. I
paid you back for it by producing more spit. To the
STANS: My will to fight against you is gone. Hip Hop
was founded on the concept of UNITY. Rivalry came
about to keep your skills sharp, not to sell records.
Let's work together and we can accomplish both.
RIGHT????

12. Why's the ripper so ill?

That would be an unpardonable breach of confidence for
me to reveal.

But I will give you one clue:
"My style is centuries old"

Thanks again Bis. Take your time on your response..

Thank You Kyle. Please pass on this Q&A to the other
brother-sites

Peace,
BIS

Let me start by saying thank you for your patience. It
is daytime and I am beachside. I go in and out of
phases when I speak intelligently, philosophically,
and sometimes street. I will spare you the latter
because of my mood.

1. What inspired you to pick up a mic?

To me a microphone is only symbolic as a device for
speech. It spreads my speech. The rush I have felt on
stage w/ a mic in my hand in something I will never
forget. I was inspired to take up the practice of
poetry by those that came before me. "The Greats." We
all know who they are.

2. Have you ever been interested in writing a novel,
Also what is your favorite book, What have you been reading lately?

I have written material that if sequenced properly
could maybe be broken down into a series of Sci-Fi
thrillers. The literature that is available today is
so expansive it's hard to keep up and our ideas are
somewhat mirrored by what we see and hear. In a
perfect world I would be eager to write/co-write if
given the opportunity.

It would take much more thought than I care to give
about what my favorite books are but the last book I
enjoyed from cover to cover was Angels & Demons by Dan
Brown. I also read Digital Fortress and The Da Vinci
Code and found them to be a pleasurable read. Books
are the handle on the key to language. Speech,
practice and other attributes are the teeth on the key
itself. Keep Reading.

3. Please clear up the rumors about the ROC and Kay
Slay signing.

I have not heard all the rumors to confirm or deny
accurately but I am currently unsigned to any Major
Labels or affiliates. I rep Mic Club which reps me to
the world as a "Premier MC for sale." Kay Slay has
been showin' me love along w/ Money $$$ Mark and
BIG(Shaq's alias). BIG was extremely generous to me
and I am grateful.

4. What religious beliefs do you have, if any?

w/o spending too much time on the subject. I believe
there is or are a God/Gods/Goddess/Goddesses. The
gender is undetermined. Somewhere down the line we
were given doctrines inspired by them and others to
help explain the purpose of life. Even the modernest
of men have fallen out of touch w/ the customs of the
past that were created by those doctrines. Which
explains the transformation that is happening now.
These days it's become Religion VS. Necessity and
necessity is winning because people justify their
faith by what they feel a need to do. I feel the need
to rock the mic. "Nuff said"

5. Who are you all time top 10 emcees?

I can think of 13 now

Kool G Rap, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane
Ras Kass, Nas, SC(Hov), Cool J, Pun,
K. Priest, Big L, Biggie, Pac, and Eminem.

Some of the names were mentioned off clear merit of
influence on Hip Hop. Others are based on respect as Hip Hop Pioneers and
predecessors to my development. Others I have witnessed myself.

My knowledge on every MC that's out now is limited but
right now I do like Corey Gunz and Papoose. They are
both Mack 11's on the mic.

6. Any news on the HRSMN, such as Chino XL joining, etc.?

Chino has since been inducted since we last spoke. I
look forward to playing my position in releasing an
album w/ the original HRSMN and/or others who continue
to cut from the cloth of creativity.

7. How did you enjoy your military experience? Was it what you expected?

So many other things to talk about, wouldn't you
agree?

8. Also, some random comments from you...

Sway is a friend of mine as all of you who have
positively aided me to continue rhyming. I could
rhyme till I pass out to defend the hope all Canibus
fans have but as I have said before "I walk among you,
draw energy from you." Please continue to keep Hip Hop
alive CW.

Peace,
Kyle

doyoulikepie

September 18th, 2004, 4:26 PM

Kris P. Lettus

September 19th, 2004, 2:29 AM

jesus sucks

September 19th, 2004, 3:46 AM

spanish announce table

September 19th, 2004, 12:33 PM

Rapreviews gave Nelly a 9 for for Sweat Suit. By that logic, his rhymes on this album are better than Talib Kweli on Quality and Canibus on MiClub & 2000 BC. Bullshit.

I got Liquid Swords (had it burned before), Legend of the Liquid Sword, The Low End Theory, and Full Clip last week. All are awesome. "Luminal" is friggin eerie.

Seanny One Ball

September 19th, 2004, 4:44 PM

Look out for "Dreams" by Dizzee Rascal and "Throw your hands up" by Mobb Deep on their respective new albums.

Fucking quality.

Cubed-Sphere

September 19th, 2004, 7:44 PM

The Fugees have reportedly reunited after an eight-year hiatus, group
member Wyclef Jean said. He said the group, which includes Lauryn Hill and
Pras, are on speaking terms. Jean said a new album is quite a ways off,
possibly a year and a half. The Fugees' 1996 sophomore album "The Score"
sold over 17 million copies and won the group a Grammy for Best Album.

credit -allhiphop.com
To keep in the theme of "smileys" : :rolleyes:
I don't care how great Wyclef is and how good Pras is, Hill is a racist and i don't support her music. That's not to say she doesn't have a great singin voice, though. Anything from the guys i enjoy, and as a member of the "Fugees" Hill is tolerable, but i'll pass smiling about this news.

Seanny One Ball

September 20th, 2004, 9:13 AM

I hope her kids bloody do starve.

Simon

September 20th, 2004, 2:00 PM

Well sure, if you're going to listen to bullshit rumours, she's a huge racist.

In other news, Kel (of Kenan and Kel fame) died in a car crash recently.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 20th, 2004, 2:42 PM

Damn, all the brothers die young!

sethmuhane

September 20th, 2004, 3:25 PM

...and only the good die young.

http://www.cs.odu.edu/~jbollen/CS312/darth_maul.jpg

Kris P. Lettus

September 20th, 2004, 3:43 PM

Goodie Mob

Good die mostly over bullshit...

sethmuhane

September 20th, 2004, 3:57 PM

True dat. Look at Rick James. I can't belive the cause of death was an OD. May God rest his soul.....bitch.

http://www.starwarssource.net/GGOC/Images/TS_DM_DS.GIF

QuietStorm

September 20th, 2004, 5:34 PM

Apparently Mos Def has an Andre 3000 vibe going on according to the people that have heard the album.....

So it'll probably be a lot better than that crap Andre produced.

Cubed-Sphere

September 20th, 2004, 5:55 PM

Kel Mitchell's not dead.

sethmuhane

September 20th, 2004, 6:48 PM

I hear Outkast is in the process of making a film called Speakerboxx which is supposed to be a sing-a-long musical.

Mike Skillz

September 20th, 2004, 7:33 PM

Cubed-Sphere

September 21st, 2004, 4:17 AM

Son, there isnt an MC in your cd collection than Chino couldnt kill in a battle...
What a confident post. However, unless you're God, you just looked more ignorant than Lauryn Hill.

Chino is overrated for one, but two, his freestyles ain't shit. He's only a threat, lyrically, when he writes, which is fine, but your bullshit post just makes no sense... the man's a good freestyle battler, but not the best. I gaurantee Royce would rip him, and Em wouldn't fall far behind.

Get off his dick.

Simon

September 21st, 2004, 7:06 AM

Chino would eat Eminem's babies in a battle. Only Big L could take him, Big L was a monster.

Simon

September 21st, 2004, 7:06 AM

Kel Mitchell's not dead.That was the point. Don't listen to bullshit rumours.

Mike Skillz

September 21st, 2004, 8:42 AM

What a confident post. However, unless you're God, you just looked more ignorant than Lauryn Hill.

Chino is overrated for one, but two, his freestyles ain't shit. He's only a threat, lyrically, when he writes, which is fine, but your bullshit post just makes no sense... the man's a good freestyle battler, but not the best. I gaurantee Royce would rip him, and Em wouldn't fall far behind.

Get off his dick.

i will as soon as you stop attempting to be Royce's third testicle.

QuietStorm

September 21st, 2004, 12:11 PM

Haha, Royce even says on the M.I.C mixtape that he doesn't battle.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 21st, 2004, 2:09 PM

I know yeah, haha.

Cubed-Sphere

September 21st, 2004, 5:57 PM

Chino would eat Eminem's babies in a battle. Only Big L could take him, Big L was a monster.
Big L could not beat Chino in a freestyle. Big L was tight, but Em owns him.

Cubed-Sphere

September 21st, 2004, 5:59 PM

i will as soon as you stop attempting to be Royce's third testicle.
Dude, your only dick-rider here. I don't care about Royce, and i didn't hop in your space announcing my opinion as fact like you did to me. Keep to yourself.

doyoulikepie

September 21st, 2004, 7:03 PM

goddamn im luvin cunninlynguists at the moments, some of the beats on there tunes are amazing.

As far as im aware they have only two albums, both of which i have, are there any more.

favourites are:

half animal, half man
thugged out since cub scouts
love aint
dying nation

i think it was quiet storm that said kno is the best producer in the business and i got to agree.

at the beginning of dying nation, theres a quote that bush said that he got wrong and fucked up, what was he supposed to say in that quote?

QuietStorm

September 21st, 2004, 7:30 PM

Yeah, Kno and Stoupe are about equal for me as my favorite producers. And Cunninlynguists are about the only hip hop from the South that I enjoy. They have a mixtape with about 32 tracks on it, some album cuts (original and remixed) and some non-album material. You could probably find it on Soulseek or IRC.

The Bush quote:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."

First place he screws up is by saying Tennessee. He had to cover himself there. And then he got so flustered by that he just stumbled over the quote. It probably should be "....fool me again -- shame on me."

Edit: The Kno/Tonedeff album should come out eventually, late this year or early next. And Kno's was one of the only solid remixes of the Black album, basically because no one really wants to listen to Jay-z no matter how splendid the production.

Simon

September 22nd, 2004, 2:41 AM

Big L could not beat Chino in a freestyle. Big L was tight, but Em owns him.Seriously, no. Most of Eminem's freestyles are CLEARLY writtens anyway, and Big L's genuine freestyles are still better. King of the punchline, Big L.

"Just ask Beavis, I get nothing but head."

Cubed-Sphere

September 22nd, 2004, 2:56 AM

Seriously, no. Most of Eminem's freestyles are CLEARLY writtens anyway, and Big L's genuine freestyles are still better. King of the punchline, Big L.

"Just ask Beavis, I get nothing but head."
Em's "written freestyles" can be subject of another debate. When looking at Big L's freestyles, while creative, they dont' have the feminine rhyme complexity and obvious well-rounded knowledge that Chino has (Chino raps about people and events most have never even heard of and tie them in beautifully, whereas Big L has a tight and creative freestyle flow, but stays pretty basic in what he says).

It's all opinion dawg, I'd say Big L is in the top 3 best freestylers of all time, but not the best.

EDIT: One of my favorite Big L freestyle rhymes is actually pretty simple, but delivered flawlessly:
I got mo' riches than you, fuck mo' bitches than you/
The only thing i don't got is mo' stitches than you (fuckin' PUNK!)/

Cubed-Sphere

September 22nd, 2004, 3:14 AM

That was the point. Don't listen to bullshit rumours.
Dude she literally said she would never be friends or lovers with a white man in The Source in like '98/'99 (maybe it was Vibe). Regardless of her reasons that's a racist comment, so i don't support her as a solo artist. And yo, I'm not saying she's a bitch or should burn in hell, it's not my place to say it and besides, everyone's opinion is different and i'm cool with that, but that's why I have MY opinion that i don't wanna buy her stuff. As i said, i still enjoy her voice and i KNOW she has great musical talent, so i'm not downing anyone in this post, so from the get-go i wanna ask people not to twist my shit around and tell me what i'm saying.

Simon

September 22nd, 2004, 7:53 AM

I heard the absolute BEST freestyle punch EVER today...from 'Bash', I think his name was:

I steal your girl easy, cos I'm sly like foxes/Then nickname her Don King cos she's ripping off my boxers//

:bowdown:

Kris P. Lettus

September 22nd, 2004, 11:02 AM

Big L >*

Mike Skillz

September 22nd, 2004, 5:10 PM

Dude, your only dick-rider here. I don't care about Royce, and i didn't hop in your space announcing my opinion as fact like you did to me. Keep to yourself.

Contradictions are a Motherfucker huh?

Cubed-Sphere

September 22nd, 2004, 8:27 PM

Contradictions are a Motherfucker huh?
Not sure how i was contradictory, but if i was... oh well, sorry. :$
Seriously i'd rather not beef over the 'net, i don't even remember what we were talking about. :)

That was a tight punchline HB2K4, i didn't think Bash would be that tight... maybe i'll give his album a listen.

QuietStorm

September 26th, 2004, 7:03 AM

If you want to make The Beautiful Struggle better....

Burn it like this, adding some of the advance tracks.

1. Sickstrumental
2. Going Hard
3. Back Up Offa Me
4. Broken Glass
5. We Know
6. A Game
7. I Try (though it has been out all year it will still be a hot single since most idiots aren't internet-heads)
8. Around My Way
9. Rock On
10. We Got the Beat
11. My History
12. Work It Out (haha, this track is cheesy and intoxicating....should be the next single)
13. Ghetto Show
14. Black Girl Pain
15. Lonely People
16. We Pullin Out
17. Never Been In Love
18. The Beautiful Struggle ("This is a tear-jerker"....goddamn this track is PERFECT, I played it at LEAST 8 times in a row)

75 minutes. Should have left a few of the tracks from the advance on there and definitely should have changed the sample for Lonely People so he could put it on the album. Either way, top three hip hop album of the year. Waaaaay better than quality and MY version puts it close to Reflection Eternal but the retail leaves it a couple steps behind due to no Lonely People/We Pullin Out/My History/Rock On/Sickstrumental.

Cubed-Sphere

September 26th, 2004, 6:31 PM

Dan The Man

September 26th, 2004, 10:39 PM

Kweli doing an in-store performance in NYC on Tuesday for the album...

:wiggle:

Or should I say...

http://www.smileygbook.de/grafik/smilies/breakdance.gif

QuietStorm

September 28th, 2004, 12:49 AM

Got the new Necro, so you Non-Phixion losers have the right to remain jealous now....

Dan The Man

September 28th, 2004, 12:42 PM

"Around My Way" is a fucking anthem that should always be playing somewhere at any point in time. Blows my mind.

"Ghetto Show" "Beautiful Struggle" "Black Girl Pain" "I Try" "We Know"... fuck, the whole thing... love it.

I am a bit confused, after looking through the liner notes/lyrics why "The Game" doesn't have a third verse... especially because the second verse has some of my favorite lines off the album...

Live show tonight... so fucking hyped for that...

Dan The Man

September 28th, 2004, 12:46 PM

Oh, and the other thing from the liner notes... a thank you to Good Charlotte? :wtf:

Raw Is Jonathan

September 28th, 2004, 3:10 PM

Hmm, wonder if Talib is out over here yet... got paid today... down HMV tomorrow methinks!

Mr. Boombastic

September 28th, 2004, 10:47 PM

Does repeated push back of release dates really piss off anybody else?

It seems like artists do this constantly and I wouldnt mind if it took longer to record and finish the album to make it much better, but why put out a release date if that date is likely to change.

In my case, I have been really looking forward to Nas' double cd coming out Street Disciple for the last year or so. Originally it was supposed to hit the stores this Spring in April and then today September 28th, but without even realizing it I went to pick up the cd today after months of anticipation only to find out later that now it will not be out until November 28th, another two months away.

I guess now I can get some other cd for now, I have not listened to any of Talib Kweli's first cd, but I have only heard good things, maybe I will get his new one. If anyone has it, please tell me your impressions.

Raw Is Jonathan

September 29th, 2004, 12:45 PM

*listens to The Beautiful Struggle*

Only £9.99, bargain!

Raw Is Jonathan

September 29th, 2004, 1:58 PM

Loving it... LOVING IT!

:yes:

'Supreme, Supreme' with Mos Def is a Bonus UK Track, never understood why they do bonus tracks just because we live in the UK, do they feel sorry for us or something...

Anyone picked up Jedi Mind Tricks new shit?

Looking forward to Royce's new shit coming out next year, after reading the rapreviews interview...

QuietStorm

September 29th, 2004, 3:50 PM

Yeah, but my 75-minute burned version means I will never buy it.... :\

Appears Kweli isn't on Mos Def's album either, according to the tracklisting.

I have the new JMT on my computer, haven't gotten around to ordering it yet. Kinda wish I would have though, could have had it with a signed poster and AOTP mixtape. It obviously isn't another Violent by Design (never will be unless Jus Allah apologizes for being a dick) and overall the beats are more complex and unique on Visions of Gandhi. That said, Stoupe is still a genius on the boards and creates sounds from samples that no one else could possibly think of using. Example being the DeBeer's "Diamond is Forever" sample. And some people criticize him for all his Latin beats. Well the dude is Puerto Rican so it has to expected and "Me Ne Sballo" is one of the better tracks on the album, unfortunately being the only Latin beat on the album. If you have heard VoG or RtJ then you know how many sick Latin beats he done.

Vinnie is better on LoB than VoG and is rawer than ever. When he shows some diversity on tracks like "Saviorself", "The Philosophy of Honor", and "Before the Great Collapse" he proves he is a quality MC. But he isn't for everyone. I still cringe at every homophobic or anti-Christian remark he makes. And he needs to stop calling people "fucking crumbs". Though when he brings out the "noodle" insult I have to admit I laughed.

Overall, in production it is a WAY better album than it was given credit for on Rapreviews but I also realize that if they are going by the "Nelly Philosophy" for Stoupe it is probably right. As for the lyrics, Vinnie deserves credit for being way more creative than he was on VoG.

IMO, Music Vibes = 8.5 Lyric Vibes = 7.5

doyoulikepie

September 29th, 2004, 4:39 PM

i cant remember what talib kweli album ive listened, i think it was quality, the one with put it in the air? i love that tune, they should start playing it in clubs or something.

quietstorm, you said you liked bizzy bone, your hip hop knowledge seems to be pretty good, what the hell is he talking about on"when thugs cry". heard that song a million times, i know all the lyrics but i got no idea what its about, or is it just bizzy chatting shit?

you heard any of krayzies stuff? thug on da line is a great album, talk to myself is a tune that ive found that anyone, no matter what music they like, will always ask me to play again when i have it on in my car.

what do people think off coo coo cal, i think he had an album come out this year, anyone hear it. i had his other one, the only song i listen to on there is "in my projects", beat on that is pretty cool.

i was watching p.diddy behind the music on base today, that guy is such a prick, made me laugh when the manager of uptowen records? fired him for being too big headed. he used to go to EMT meetings and just stick his feet up on the table and walk around the offices with no top on. sort of guy you just want to punch in the face as you walk past him!

QuietStorm

September 29th, 2004, 7:52 PM

1. Put It In the Air....is that the track with DJ Quik? If so, it is by far the worst track on Quality. They didn't mesh at all and the beat/subject matter isn't typical for Kweli. And both The Beautiful Struggle and the CLASSIC Reflection Eternal album are better. If you haven't heard, RE is one of my top-five hip hop albums ever.

2. Ummmm.... he is probably talking about something different in every line. All that matters is the chorus. And that is about thugs crying, so just go with that. The Gift is a much better album though, as I said before it was my car music the better part of my senior year of high school.

3. Yes, I have HEARD it. I hate Krayzie Bone though. Bizzy Bone is more talented than the rest of them combined, too bad he has to be the one who is a dick/alcoholic.

4. No. I think if I hear it I will want to kill myself.

5. I had Oprah on today, while the Cubs game was on commercial :$. Puff Diddy/Drew Barrymore/Cameron Diaz/other celebs were telling people to vote and who to vote for. It ruled because I get all my voting strategies from people like Puff Diddy!

6. Check out Tonedeff, Immortal Technique, Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, Chino XL....

Dan The Man

September 29th, 2004, 10:43 PM

Kweli in-store was a much too short three songs ("I Try" "Around My Way" and "Get By") followed by a much too long autograph line. Non-musical highlight was Mos Def just there to watch. Had clearly done some shopping beforehand, and in the bag included none other than Beautiful Struggle... every little unit counts, I guess.

I still can't get over how much I love "Around My Way" "Ghetto Show" and "Black Girl Pain"... just absolutely stellar stuff...

Raw Is Jonathan

September 30th, 2004, 3:39 PM

Indeed!

I can't believe I like the Neptunes track as well... usually not too keen on the bloody Neptunes, but I do like that one.

Whole album is cracking for me.

Around My Way is fucking class, I wish Lonely People would have been on there with it though as well. ALthough I keep screaming out "EVERY LITTLE THING SHE DOES IS MAGIC!"...

:$

This is a tear jerker.

CollegeGraduate

October 2nd, 2004, 9:21 PM

I cant seem to find the New Talib Album anywhere. 1 version i recieved was a corrupt version with a virus. I am gonna buy it on payday, just want something to keep me excited till then. Any suggestions where i could get online? A link? Thanks people

P.S Why didnt the song Lonely People make the Cd? That song was touching.

QuietStorm

October 3rd, 2004, 1:50 AM

Use IRC or Soulseek. Just remember it has 13 tracks, not 16 like the advance.

http://www.wakeupshow.com/media/wakeupshow...0U%20WOULD_.mp3

Royce Five Nine, Canibus , Chino XL - I Wish You Would

The beat is kind of cool, my only real problem is that it seems like a tough beat to flow over and I think the combination of these three (though just the first of many to come) deserves better production.

Chino outshines the other two easily.

CollegeGraduate

October 4th, 2004, 10:34 PM

Soulseek needs credit card or membership apparently. Havent had luck on irc. Hey QuietStorm why not be a buddy and send it to me ? :)

P.S I love Canibus

KeyloBrown

October 7th, 2004, 1:46 PM

QuietStorm

October 8th, 2004, 3:35 PM

Four Sage Francis interviews, all done while he was in Australia last month. That dude can be so funny, I think I'm gonna start posting at the Non-Prophets forum just to interact with him.

Interview with Australia's Sonia Sharma for 3D World and CAT (street press)

The first time I came across your music was after breaking up with a dude who I had an incredibly intense relationship with. His way of telling me that it was over was to present me with a tape full of Sage Francis tracks as if that was some kind of adequate explanation for the self combustion of our relationship. How do you feel about your music being so intimately embedded in the every day lives of complete strangers?

"Woah. That is incredible. He used me like a hallmark card. I feel all purpose now. As far as being intimately embedded in the lives of strangers, it is just something I can giggle about but I don't think about it much. I put myself out on the chopping block almost every single time I open my mouth. I am honored that people use it as a tool of some sort. That almost has nothing to do with me personally, and if it does then I don't care to know how. Heh."

I used to listen to the tape on repeat and would fluctuate between wanting to slit my wrists to feeling content just knowing that other people were analyzing their lives to the same annoying degree as me. Is that the range of emotion you experience when you were writing your first album?

"That wasn't really my first album. It was my first album that was commercially available, but I had an incredible amount of songs, poems, tapes, CDs and singles that were recorded and released to the public before Personal Journals. I definitely wrote that album during a desperate time in my life. It is a documentation of my insides. It should never make someone want to slit their wrists though. haha. It should make them appreciate the human condition more or assist them in laughing at themselves. It is meant to serve as some sort of solace."

Has the process of penning tracks become more clinical for you over time?

"By definition, no. Definitely not. At times it is invigorating, other times it is pure therapy, sometimes I write to keep my skills up, but never is it clinical."

I've always been fascinated by your track Narcissist. I use it as evidence that you must be an insomniac. Are you?

"I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion just by listening to Narcissist. Maybe because you think it took a long time for the pieces to all fit together? Heh. In that case, thank you. But it was a simple song to arrange. I thought of the last line and then all I had to do was figure out what should come before it. I am not an insomniac. I am a narcissist who keeps strange hours."

When you are trying to get to sleep at night, what sort of things consume your thought?

"I could go one way or another with my answer. My mind races when I lie down in bed. It flashes words and pictures and I usually stay up for an hour before falling asleep. I think about everything I have done, haven't done, and what I should do as soon as I wake up."

Do you ever get up in the middle of the night and write down lyrics that have just come to you?

"I used to do that. I used to write on paper in the pitch black. I got pretty good at it. Then I decided to just write on my arms, and then I would wake up with scrawling all over my skin. Nowadays, I just leave it up to chance. If I don't remember what I was thinking in the morning then it must not be all that important. My mind is on continuous loop though, so those ideas keep coming back anyway. Whether they are good or bad ideas."

Because your lyrics appear to be so intensely personal, it is difficult to image a separation between Sage the artist and Sage the person. Is there an alter ego at play, or is your music a public confession box for who you genuinely are?

"I would like to think there is a big separation, because when I look back on videos of myself from a few years ago I want to beat the shit out of myself. And I know I was a better person than I was showing through my art."

It has been well documented that you used the Internet to market yourself as an artist and even now the web seems like an important tool for you. Are you ever concerned that this limits the demographic (as opposed to the size) of your audience?

"If an artist only uses the Internet as a way to get their music heard, then they are definitely limiting themselves. I have toured this world many times over, and I have made my way into an incredible amount of publications. I don't have to worry about only Internet kids knowing my name. In fact, the young kids online can't attend many of my shows due to age limits and I am still selling out venues when I tour, so that's a great sign. I do think that many independent artists rely a little too much on the Internet these days, but I am not one of them. I was lucky enough to know what it took before the Internet existed. And then when the Internet hit I used it for all I could."

A lot of my friends pay me out for being a Sage Francis fan, they say things like "Oh Sage is white boy, rich kid hip-hop." And even though I'm a second generation Indian chick, it is hard position to defend. In Australia Id say the majority of your fans are middle class, territory-educated students. Does that bother you?

"You're friends don't know much about me, apparently. Who exactly do they listen to? I am not the one rapping about rich boy shit...mainstream artists are. I come from a humble back ground. A broken family full of state workers. I built my career out of skills and ZERO financial backing. ZERO nepotism. There was no crew putting me on. Show me someone else with a similar back ground who can boast the same success. There are very few. It takes discipline and sacrifice, and neither of those virtues were learned from being rich or privileged. My parents busted their ass to make sure I had opportunities and I honored those opportunities by using my brain and talent."

Can you bust my sage Francis stereotype? Describe a show where your audience didn't fit the above description?

"That's a really shitty thing to 'prove.' I have played in places that were still recovering from war, like Croatia and Slovenia. I have played on a rooftop in the projects of Brooklyn. I mean, when I first started performing, hiphop was only performed in the inner city. It's not like I was throwing shows in the woods of my back yard. I ventured out and cut my teeth in some crazy places."

I guess the style of music you represent has not evolved in isolation. Do you think you represent a new movement in the hip-hop time line along with artists like the Anticon boys and Atmosphere.

"I do not represent them nor are they represented by me. We are loose affiliates and sometimes we connect enough to inspire one another."

Do obvious comparisons with the aforementioned company frustrate you?

"Not at all, I just need people to get things straight. I can see how people may get confused. Our backgrounds had nothing to do with one another. We came upon each other after our path had already been chosen. We do share similarities, but I'd hate to think that some off-the-wall decision anticon or atmosphere would have any bearing on me or my stance in hiphop. And vice versa. We have separate philosophies and we are not bound by anything except loose affiliation."

It seems you are quite fond of the side project, more recently you have done the Sleep no More record and Non-Prophets, is that because working as a solo artists can drive you crazy?

"Side projects give me a chance to explore different material and allow other people to share the burden of expectation and responsibility. My solo projects drain me."

Two years ago you were in Australia for the Sound Summit, what did you think of the whole experience?

"It was like a yard sale of music."

Do you have different expectations coming out this time round?

"None whatsoever. Australia is a unique place with unique people. I would never go into something like that with expectations. All I know is I want to perform my new material and hope the crowd enjoys my show as much as they did last time."

Supporting you on your tour is Macromantics. Even though she is an amazing artist in her own right, her material is easily referenced to yours. How does it feel knowing that musically you are inspiring other people?

"If I am in fact an inspiration of hers, then I am honored. And it makes me feel like I am following through on my end of the deal, because obviously I was inspired by others. Some people just take the inspiration and do nothing with it. They are disposable sponges."

On a different note, I think you were one of the first artists to pen a track about September 11. The setting of Makeshift Patriot was in the media hype immediately after the event yet the track is still so relevant. Did you have any idea just how significant that song would be when you wrote it?

"By my account, I was absolutely the first musician to address the issue. And I am not talking about addressing it in a comprehensive manner, I mean...I was the first to address it at all. People were shell shocked. I was highly disturbed, but not shell shocked. I documented the social and political climate, shook my finger at the media, and made my unfortunate predictions."

Does the accuracy of that song frighten you? It is as if you really predicted the anti Muslim sentiments and the fear mongering that has occurredŠor has the system become so predicable that to you the outcome was evident from the onset?

"It doesn't frighten me at all. I understood the situation through and through. While everyone was sticking their head in the hole I was trying to explain the atmosphere and the POSSIBLE impending doom. The nation's blind 'patriotism' is what allowed the Bush administration to abuse its privileges and our trust. Unfortunately, my message didn't reach enough people in enough time. I was still trying to be heard. Meanwhile, all the mainstream acts were rehashing nationalist classics."

I actually used lines from Makeshift Patriot as apart of a law thesis I wrote about the ³war against terrorism². Aside from the artistic merit of your work, do you consider it to have an academic merit?

"Absolutely. Many of the phrases of that song are actual quotes that I was hearing on TV and the radio 3 days following 9/11. I strung them all together in a new way to show people exactly what the fuck we were going through. I listen to that song now and I remember those 3 days in such detail. The crowd that you hear cheering is an actual recording I took at Ground Zero. It was people cheering on the rescue workers."

My thesis was 10, 000, yet you seemed to make a more powerful statement in a 3 minute songŠhave you ever written 10,000 word song?

"I could, but that would be about as interesting as a 10,000 word thesis."

When you write a track like Makeshift Patriot do you consider yourself to be actively engaging yourself in politically activism?

"Just like anything else, I reckon."

You are such a strong story teller, have you every considered branching off into journalism, writing a novel or perhaps even a musical? The Sage Francis musical, now there is an idea!

"I got my degree in journalism, but I don't really feel a desire to go into journalism. I will put together a book though. And I have some other ideas, but I don't feel like speaking on them. I'd rather just let them happen and catch people off guard."

Can you make some predictions...What do you think will happen to the world if Bush gets reelected?

"I had a horrible dream the other night about this. A nightmare rather. In it, Bush got reelected and all my friends and I were just in shambles over it. It was an emotional dream. Not much happened, but it was one of those dreams where it feels so damn real and disgusting. I thought about how bad things were going to get and felt upset about how we weren't able to kick Bush out of office. Then I wrote a message on a brick and so did my friends and we were about to mail them to the White House before I woke up. What do I think will happen? Well...I can't even begin to imagine what will happen with him in office for 4 more years especially if he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected. He is going to be scoffed at in the history books. I hope I live long enough to tell my grandkids how scary it all was."
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what's your earliest memory of hip-hop?

"Watching my parents break up when I was three."

when you were a kid growing up, what did you want to be when you grew
up?

"A ninja, lawyer or rapper."

when did you first start making any sort of musical sound?

"Literally, in the womb. I don't know how deep you are getting with me here. I have always been interested in music. I don't know many people who were able to reject the power and influence of music."

was music the first medium through which you could express yourself?

"No, like most people I started expressing myself through grunts and physical gestures. Then through speech. Then through writing. Then through song. Then through sex."

were you always confident and communicative, as human-being, or did this
only grow with the growth of your stage persona?

"No, the only time I'm really good at those things is on stage. I am not a great verbal communicator. Confidence depends on the situation I guess. I am confident in general, but I first had to prove many things to myself. Like...how right I am."

were you fond of mc battles when you were young?

"Definitely. Young people are usually fond of stuff like that. It is competitive, silly, and it allows people to brag about things that just aren't true. It is a fantasy-fest."

do you still, now, feel connected to hip-hop culture in any way?

"I do feel connected to the hiphop community although I have spent many years of my life questioning and challenging it. I am not interested in bowing down to the conventions."

at this point in time, what're your main artistic goals?

"I just want to write the perfect combination of words some day and then have the perfect melody and/or rhythm to go along with them. Either that or be able to walk and chew gum and represent at the same time. I want to learn instruments. I want to sit at a piano and make the room melt."

what do you hope for in your future?

"I hope for less gangster mentality world wide."

what do you hope for popular-music in the future?

"I hope that the music becomes more edgier and original, which won't happen until the radio stations grow a pair of nuts or the major labels start funding more original and edgier music. I am holding my breath."

recent years have found you operating well outside the regular rock-biz
channels; self-releasing mostly tour-centric cds et al; did you make a
didactic decision to travel down this path?

"I'm not quite sure if didactic works in that way. I just looked it up. Haha. Ummm...I did what was necessary to get my music heard. Every time someone else poked their nose into my business they would try to fuck with my music or image somehow. I couldn't have that. So I did what I wanted when I wanted how I wanted, and that, ladies and gentleman, is what being an independent artist is all about. I traveled the ONLY path which was one of integrity and good conscience."

where did the initial motivation/inspiration for 'makeshift patriot'
come from?

"Well, I was just so sick of all the big time rappers subliminally dissing me in their radio songs. If they want to dis me all the time, they might as well say my name so I can get some exposure. Be brave like an American patriot, or act cowardly like a terrorist. Either way...don't fake jacks on the makeshift shit."

how much extra attention/publicity --be it positive or negative-- did
making such a statement at such a time attract?

"Oh, so you do know what that song was in response to. OK. Well, I wish you would have incorporated this knowledge in the first question. The attention was surprisingly positive. People were scared to speak their mind and question their surroundings and then that song came along and gave them some solace. I expected a big back lash, but instead I got tons of support for it. It renewed my faith in people and art."

did you find more sympathy to the content and intention of this song
overseas?

"Of course people overseas liked it. They were glad to see that an American had their head screwed on straight. All they were seeing up until that point was crazed flag wavers and cowboy talk."

where in the world have you been able to travel to through making music?

"Many corners of this earth. I am lucky to have a job that allows me to go almost anywhere I want and get paid for it."

what's the most exotic locale you've ever played in?

"Well, Hawaii was the most exotic I guess. Australia and Iceland run a close second."

what's the strangest circumstance you've ever played in?

"Man. I could give you a million stories. There is no winner for THE strangest circumstance. One kid in New Hampshire booked me for his senior class project, but I didn't know it was a senior class project until I got there. It was at a HIGH SCHOOL in some secluded hick town in the forest of New Hampshire. The kid's mom approached me before I hit the stage and said, "Hey, you're not going to swear, right? You know...if my son fails due to this then he won't graduate. So please....do your best." Well...once I stepped out on stage the entire ALL-WHITE class (and their parents) were sitting in their chairs looking rather horrified. It was dead silent. And then I heard some girl's voice say "ewww." Haha. And that rejection threw me back to my own horrible high school experience and I felt like I was transported back to my bullshit high school talent show or something. I went way overboard on the vulgarity and disturbing imagery and I rocked the fuck out of that show. At the end everyone was all wide eyed and big smiles which really caught me off guard. I was expecting to get reported to the principal's office or something. And the soccer moms were on my TIP. Straight up...the soccer mom's though I was their age and they were all trying to talk to me in a way I am not used to. Not from soccer mom's at least. That ranks up there with some of the strangest circumstances."

where do you dream of one day performing?

"I don't have dreams like that. ha. Absolutely no ambition to play any show or venue in particular. I would like to play Neil Young's Bridge Concert, but I like to play anywhere that can offer me a unique experience."

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How important is it for you to use the voice you have, and the audience
that hears it to express opinions on issues that concern you?

"Interviews are so weird. I am just realizing this right now. This is the strangest concept. I am not really interviewing for a job or anything. I am getting interviewed ABOUT my job/hobby. That's so strange. To answer your question, I have no idea. Obviously I feel there is some sort of importance or else I wouldn't dedicate as much of my life to it, but I am not sure I really know the exact reason why I say what I say to those who hear it. I follow my gut instincts and if something feels wrong I usually don't do it. Other times I do the wrong thing just to understand it. It's human, eh? Fuck it."

What is on your mind at the moment and what will you be talking about
to the Australian audiences you are soon to encounter?

"It is rare that I preconceive what it is I will do at a show or say to a crowd until a day or two before that show. Or...until I hit the stage. I have that convenience now. Whatever is most consuming at the moment is what will be addressed in whatever manner I find is the most entertaining or thought provoking. If I feel like making cliche Crocodile Dundee jokes I will...just because that makes me look like a dumb American. And sometimes...that helps set the right mood to kill. That's not a knife!!! Ah, I am sure you love it."

What other voices in hip hop do you admire and respect, because of what
they have got to say?

"Currently, Saul Williams."

What is your opinion on the state of hip hop at the moment, where do
you feel it is heading?

"Hiphop is all over the place without a single bit of focus. There is no unifying element. Not one. So I have as little opinion about it as I would on anything that has no sense of identity. Which, in reality, is a good thing. Hiphop has no real definition and I think it's foolish for people to talk about it as if it is anything more than a feel. Hiphop is wack. Hiphop is dope. Hiphop is dead. Hiphop is alive. Hiphop is NYC. Hiphop is Idaho. Give it up."

What things outside of music do you find influencing your work?

"Interpersonal relationships, comedians, poetry, books, politics, film. I mean...it is rare for my influences to come from within music. I live life outside of music and I try to capture those real life experiences with music."

Do you feel emotionally lighter for having got some of the topics
covered on 'Personal Journals' off your chest, so to speak?

"Absolutely. It was a confessional album, and I worked out an incredible amount of demons on that one. But those buggers are always waiting on deck. As the good book says...you may be through with the past, but the past is not through with you. Haha. I'm gonna stomp those fuckers in their scaly little necks. They're nothing to me."

You've been to Australia before and you're about to return, what is it
about the country that you enjoy or dislike, how do Australian
audiences respond to your shows, are people receptive to your message?

"On my first trip, when my plane landed I vowed to myself that I would never return due to spending 22 hours in the air. I was thinking, 'No matter how much I like this place, it isn't worth the flight.' But here I am...about to do my second tour there. haha. The way I always describe Australia is that it is like Hawaii but it doesn't feel as fake. There is a realness to it, but it is still paradise-like. The people are blue collar and the atmosphere is interesting. The women are gorgeous and the mullets are un-ironic."

What's the next big challenge for Sage Francis?

"To release an album in a proper manner, which is where Epitaph Records steps in. I have never had an album released in a proper manner, where all the publicity, promotion and distribution is straight. This new album, A Healthy Distrust, might be the very first, and considering the amount of time I spent on this bad boy I really hope that it reaches the people who want/need to hear it. Epitaph Records has their business in order and I do expect big things. But beyond that, I plan on transforming my whole method of expression. Maybe even my lifestyle. The change of my music is inevitable. My next big musical challenge is to get all my fans to change with me and accept the new forms of expression rather than abandoning my music with the typical 'Oh, he was so much better when I was the only person who knew him' talk. haha. The core will never change. The peel will get pulled back though."

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will you ever battle again?

"I battle many times a day with many things. I even battle with Scribble Jam on a random basis. As far as battle rap goes, it is not something I keep in my consciousness. There are a few rappers I would like to humiliate in front of their core fan base, but other than that I have no desire to enter a contrived battle."

whos the best in the US battle circuit now?

"There is no best. There is no ringer. If Eyedea had kept up his chops I would say him, but he has taken a wise step out of that arena to focus on music. Battles are mainly for up and coming emcees with little recognition. The hungriest of cats go for the throat in the lyrical octagon and they take no prisoners. Illmaculate was a classic case of that this year at Scribble Jam."

who was your toughest competitor?

"I think Alius from Boston was my toughest competitor because we went head up against each other in a high profile battle while both of us were virtual unknowns. Neither of us knew much about each other, and by that point in the night we had both lost some steam. Since that battle we have actually become pretty good friends."

freestyling -

it seems your freestyle concepts are on extreme, and your written
content is at the other end of the spectrum, is there any crossover?

"There is a lot of cross over. In fact, a lot of songs evolve from freestyling. Most freestyling happens when i am by myself and just letting the thoughts roll off of my tongue in all different patterns of word combinations. I am very neurotic...I just keep doing and saying the same thing over and over, with little changes here and there until I know it is exactly how it should be. I don't think i could have developed this style of expression or writing if I wasn't given so much time to be by myself. I grew up as an only child in a fairly secluded area, so I never had to worry about people telling me how wack my rhyme was in its fetal stage. Most ideas are wack in their fetal stage....let it change and develop without interuption and it can blossom into something beautiful. And of course anything you write or think about is logged somewhere in your brain, so those items inevitably surface during freestyles."

do you ever write battle raps anymore?

"None whatsoever."

or, do you ever find yourself freestyling about emotional issues?

"I don't really do that either. I FEEL emotions. And sometimes I may think them through. And if I freestyle sometimes I might delve into some personal issues, but that's a road I don't often feel like traveling while flowing. I save that for pen and pad."

australia -

was it strange performing a lot of songs from personal journals in
melbourne after a testosterone bursting emcee battle?

"I am all about balance. I would feel stranger doing a bunch of personal songs after a group session with alcoholics. I was happy to provide some balance to the evening."

what was your opinion of that battle?

"It was much better than what I witnessed in Brisbane. Hahaa...oh, man. Brisbane's battle was so horrible that it was highly entertaining and historic. It resulted in a big fight. Melbourne was alright but not bad enough to be very memorable."

general -

what are you working on right now?

"I just finished my new solo album entitled "A Healthy Distrust" and it will be released on Epitaph Records in Feb. A song, "Slow Down Gandhi," will be released as a white label right around the same time I tour your country. Reanimator produced it. It's an attack on the current administration of the USA as well as the fly-by-night activists."

QuietStorm

October 12th, 2004, 12:55 PM

www.micclub.net

Four new Canibus tracks, plus the Victory freestyle available for listen.

Kris P. Lettus

October 13th, 2004, 6:55 PM

Mos Def-New Danger is God..

Better review after futher listen..

QuietStorm

October 14th, 2004, 1:18 AM

Sage Francis owning a girl:

Hey, I was a bit nervous to email u considering on the non-prophets forum there are some emails posted to be ridiculed and I didnt really want to be one of them.. so be cool wit me please.. :-P Anyways, my names Katie, I'm compiling a demo, and this probably isnt a good thing to ask but I figure u know slug, and I really wanted to talk to him about my demo, dont have his email/was wondering if you have it. Id also like to give it to you when im done, I think u'll find a white girl rapping interesting at the very least.
Hit me back,
Katie
http://hometown.aol.com/vestaanjel/home.html

URBaN SLuG LuV: already posted my email, ur cool.
URBaN SLuG LuV: kind of like a slap in the face when u look up to someone and their music.
SAGEkillz: yeah, that's how it is with me I guess. Look at your name.
URBaN SLuG LuV: yeah.. ive had this name, for about 4 years.
SAGEkillz: come back at me with "rural sage hate" and you may have my respect.
URBaN SLuG LuV: im assuming that means u arent on good terms with him, but sorry there is no possible way i could know that.
SAGEkillz: He is one of my only friends. But all you girlies who want me to "holla at slug" for you need to go awayyyyy
SAGEkillz: I know, I know...you are an emcee.
rolls eyes.
peace
URBaN SLuG LuV: no.. im trying to holler too. i wanna hit that shit. who can blame me. at least im honest
SAGEkillz: you are honest and so am I. you're a fraudulent person. Good luck with your rap career. Hurry before Britney Spears learns how to rap. uh oh...too late. bye bye
URBaN SLuG LuV: wow your quick to judge, sorry im not that type of a person.. looks can be decieving. But thanks, for all of this, it really lets me down
SAGEkillz: hahaa shut up. bye
URBaN SLuG LuV: u need a hug
URBaN SLuG LuV: *hugs*
URBaN SLuG LuV: i even put u on my artists i love page, DARN :(!
SAGEkillz: take me off. this is the last time I respond
URBaN SLuG LuV: http://hometown.aol.com/vestaanjel/hiphop.html check it FOOL
URBaN SLuG LuV: alright.. listen if u ever want to be cool with a cool girl, hit me up.
URBaN SLuG LuV is away at 5:19 PM

Seanny One Ball

October 14th, 2004, 10:16 AM

Jesus Christ, I didn't think people actually did that shit.

"Sage, Sage can you put me on...well, can you put me onto Slug so he can put me on"

Fuck

strange famous

October 14th, 2004, 4:48 PM

hella long time no post....

quietstorm, good to see your still a sage fan. don't know how many people have checked this out yet but click on the mp3 under the sage francis section(hopefully that link works). http://media-02.epitaph.com/ecards/cmj2004/ . 'slow down ghandi'. dope, dope, dope song, 'a healthy distrust' is going to be amazing...to bad we have to wait another 4 months for it.

sin six

sin six: rare lurker appearance......peace, y'all

Seanny One Ball

October 14th, 2004, 6:19 PM

"Friendly fire...that's a funny term, like civil war"

That's a dope line, really like that :yes:

What's up with the start of the song, he says "yelling into megaphones" right?
It sounds like something else through inebriation....

KeyloBrown

October 15th, 2004, 4:22 PM

Mos Def-New Danger is God..

Better review after futher listen..

Mos Def's CD is great, but GODDAMN, Talib's new one is fucking amazing...

Mos Def's CD has some heavy metal hooks, I kinda like it.:yes:

Talib's is more weed smoking, laid back shit...

Dan The Man

October 15th, 2004, 5:31 PM

I enjoy The New Danger immensely, but I don't know how good it is... it's definitely refreshing, and a great listen... really makes me want to hear an actual Mos Def & Black Jack Johnson full length album, but I doubt that will happen...

PS: Man, that new Trick Daddy single is pretty fucking heavy... I guess Lil John doing Ozzy will have that effect...

MIA motherfuckers. SoFla represent.

Kris P. Lettus

October 16th, 2004, 7:30 AM

Mos Def's CD is great, but GODDAMN, Talib's new one is fucking amazing...

Mos Def's CD has some heavy metal hooks, I kinda like it.:yes:

Talib's is more weed smoking, laid back shit...

*has both*

Fro

October 16th, 2004, 2:00 PM

Anyone got that new De La Soul album? RapReviews gave it a 10, so I am thinkin of coppin it. Also, I picked up the Kweli and Alchemist last week. I am definetly disapointed by The Beautiful Struggle. Lyrically, I can vibe to it just as much as Talib's past albums, but the musical production is sub-par, in my opinion. There's only a couple beats I really like. The Alchemist is damn good. Most of the beats don't match up to his older cuts, but they are still very good. And he's got a lot of good rappers doin their thang. The Game's verse in the first song is dope; I am definetly psyched to hear him over Dre beats on his upcoming album. Also, Eminem and Nas next month!!! Gonna be a good November.

Kris P. Lettus

October 16th, 2004, 4:02 PM

I might see De La Soul tonight, along with Cypress Hill, Beastie Boys, and a Tribe Called Quest..

:cool:

QuietStorm

October 16th, 2004, 6:08 PM

I'll be honest, I don't think the De La Soul album was quite worth perfect 10's. Then again, I have only listened all the way through once and I think Steve Juon said it might take a few listens to realize how great it is. It is a very solid release from the legends though. I don't know if it would sneak into my top 5 this year but it is worth purchasing.

Is MF Doom not the man though? The song he produced and is featured on is by far the best track in my lonely opinion.

Suno

October 18th, 2004, 10:00 PM

yo, wots cracking peeps, anyone, especially uk cats heard Trouble by Rodney P, sick tings ya know!

CollegeGraduate

October 18th, 2004, 10:52 PM

This November will be one to Remember for Hip Hop.

Em and & Nas both in 1 month! I am almost orgasming thinking about it. :)

Seanny One Ball

October 19th, 2004, 10:33 AM

This November will be one to Remember for Hip Hop.

Em and & Nas both in 1 month! I am almost orgasming thinking about it. :)

Getting excited about the new Em album? Fuck, didn't the last couple teach you any lessons about expectations?

As for Nas, what I've heard of his new stuff is decent - but those platinum teeth have to go.

Simon

October 19th, 2004, 10:37 AM

As for Nas, what I've heard of his new stuff is decent - but those platinum teeth have to go.Thanks for that, Heat magazine :wtf:

TapOut

October 19th, 2004, 6:16 PM

This November will be one to Remember for Hip Hop.

Em and & Nas both in 1 month! I am almost orgasming thinking about it. :)

Chingy as well. Hardly a legend, but his last album wasn't bad. It would have been even better were it not for radios.

QuietStorm

October 19th, 2004, 8:12 PM

Chingy is awful, radio had nothing to do with it.

"Mosh" is awful, I really hope it isn't on Encore.

Nas' teeth are beyond awful. Repulsive.

Courtesy of ripthejacker.net:

October 17, 2004- News from Micclub Music: Canibus signs to World's premier entertainment Law Firm Loeb & Loeb www.Loeb.com in Los Angeles for all entertainment representation. Please keep in mind that Canibus will not release any future material on Babygrande Records. The new 12" record will drop before 2005 produced by Nottz with new material off of the album. Mic Club Music will release the new material in partnership with a major label (now in negotiation) that will be revealed at a future time. Expect more than 1 Canibus project to drop in 2005 during the 1st and 3rd quarters. Expect a new Canibus Mixtape coming soon. Make sure you listen to Hot 97's Dj. Kay Slay Drama Hour show Thursday nights weekly for new Canibus freestyles. Be on the lookout for new music on Sway & Tech's Wake Up Show, Weekends on the West Coast. Check for D.M.P on Koch ( early 2005) Produced by Nottz, first single will be "Burning Down the House" featuring Canibus. Canibus has also completed recording for the Sway and Tech Album due out early 2005 including Royce 5'9, Crooked I, Chino XL, Kam and more. Canibus will also be featured on Kay Slay's album dropping early 2005. Other new Canibus features to look out for: FamLay (Startrak), Busta Rhymes (Aftermath), Kobe (Interscope), Jeymes Samuel, DMP (Teamsta/Koch), Pity Patron (RedMonkey/FatBeats/MicClub), Crooked I , K.O.Z. Knockouts (Lethal Dose/Mic Club)

TapOut

October 19th, 2004, 8:30 PM

Have you ever even heard Chingy's album, or are you basing the whole CD off of "Right Thurr"?

QuietStorm

October 19th, 2004, 8:41 PM

Have you ever even heard Chingy's album, or are you basing the whole CD off of "Right Thurr"?I have developed a solid reputation around here as a hip hop head because I stay away from commercialized bullshit.

Edit: But I still have a soft spot in my heart for Fabolous. Multi's upon multi's like no one else in the mainstream....

Simon

October 20th, 2004, 8:03 AM

Mosh is so shit. Encore will lick balls, I guarantee.

Seanny One Ball

October 20th, 2004, 9:46 AM

Thanks for that, Heat magazine

I don't read music magazines :no:

Obviously they mean a lot to you as do Nas' shiny new plat teeth.

You big rim riding stud you.

Simon

October 20th, 2004, 9:57 AM

I don't read music magazines :no:

Obviously they mean a lot to you as do Nas' shiny new plat teeth.

You big rim riding stud you.It was the wording of your statement, his teeth 'have to go' as much as your fashion tip that made it seem like something hot off the press from the 3am girls.

And Mosh still blows. Em can stick his album up his bumbum.

Seanny One Ball

October 20th, 2004, 1:06 PM

I stand by my statement.

You big rim riding stud you.

jesus sucks

October 20th, 2004, 2:21 PM

im sure eminems album will be better than nas', though. gods son was as weak as carling.

Simon

October 20th, 2004, 2:23 PM

What. God's Son wasn't amazing but it had it's moments...it's a million times better than The Eminem Show! And having heard a few tracks off each of the upcoming albums, I'd say that Street's Disciple will be much better than God's Son, while Encore will somehow manage to be even WORSE than The Eminem Show.

Nas rulz

Seanny One Ball

October 20th, 2004, 2:47 PM

im sure eminems album will be better than nas', though. gods son was as weak as carling.

If "just lose it" is anything to go by, I think you're standing alone on this one.

If the theory that he releases one genuine piece of shit before dropping something fairly decent is true, then yeah, I'd agree.
I'm not a Nas fan though, Stillmatic is the only album I have of his and it's good even though I hardly listen to it.

Seanny One Ball

October 20th, 2004, 3:02 PM

I am watching Kano on Channel U for about the 3rd time today.

I'm slowly beginning to fall into the trap of his speedy flows.

Goodness :yes:

TapOut

October 20th, 2004, 9:03 PM

Eminem's albums have been good so far. His first single is always goofy and shitty: I'm sure he'll have some good cuts on it. As far as Nas' new album.... I just lost love for Nas a while ago. Bring back old-school dirty Mase.... that's what I want...

Mr. Boombastic

October 20th, 2004, 10:32 PM

To Jessfan84 regarding Chingy, Chingy does totally blow. He embodies just about all of the characteristics of the genre of "crap rap" which is all style, no substance. I try to avoid this shit at all chances but my roommate has about the worst taste in music in the world, so i have listened to Chingy's "Jackpot" many times. Crap rap is just all tired lines and cliched song topics(women, money, weed) its popular cuz its got a catchy beat that clubs can use.

As far as Eminem goes, it makes me want to vomit that he is the most popular rapper in the world right now, because songs like "just lose it" are total garbage. Its really laughable that Eminem acts like he is just being an artist and resents all the attention that he gets, and yet releases songs like just lose it, without me, my band, the real slim shady, etc, which are all songs made to sell records to the masses of idiots that buy whatever mtv plays.

I cant wait for Nas' new cd. I am waitin patiently for NY State of Mind Pt 3 to be made, pt one is one of the greatest rap songs EVER.

TapOut

October 20th, 2004, 10:40 PM

I liked Nas until he got into a war of words with Jay Z, when Jay Z just totally eats Nas alive.

Mr. Boombastic

October 20th, 2004, 11:12 PM

Listen to "Ether" jessfan, it totally blows "The Takeover" out of the water. Jay-Z won the record selling battle, Nas won the rap battle.

CollegeGraduate

October 20th, 2004, 11:47 PM

Getting excited about the new Em album? Fuck, didn't the last couple teach you any lessons about expectations?

As for Nas, what I've heard of his new stuff is decent - but those platinum teeth have to go.

He has platinum teeth? :(

By the way, is Nas still on murder inc? If so, I hope to christ he doesnt have ja-rule on his cd. If he does, I will boycott his cd.

And honestly, I thought the marshall mathers lp was a tremendous album. I was slighly disappointed by his last album however. SO far however, I am not impressed with Em's new stuff, that new GAY SONG he has all over the radio, and Mosh. Hopefully he doesnt include either songs on the album. But no matter what, I know em's album, even if it is shit, will be better than 90% of the crap I am hearing nowadays. Chingy? Lil flip? Nelly? And I swear to god if someone else sings that " IF I GOT LOCKED UP" song, i will kill someone and really get locked up.

CollegeGraduate

October 20th, 2004, 11:51 PM

I have developed a solid reputation around here as a hip hop head because I stay away from commercialized bullshit.

Edit: But I still have a soft spot in my heart for Fabolous. Multi's upon multi's like no one else in the mainstream....

Hey! I like Faboulous too.

Wanna go make babies?

TapOut

October 21st, 2004, 12:16 AM

Listen to "Ether" jessfan, it totally blows "The Takeover" out of the water. Jay-Z won the record selling battle, Nas won the rap battle.

I'll take Reasonable Doubt over any of Nas' albums. Just my preference though.

QuietStorm

October 21st, 2004, 12:21 AM

Hey! I like Faboulous too.

Wanna go make babies?Sure, right after I am done with Derek Lowe.

Seanny One Ball

October 21st, 2004, 5:41 AM

Listen to "Ether" jessfan, it totally blows "The Takeover" out of the water. Jay-Z won the record selling battle, Nas won the rap battle.

Jay ripped him on "Takeover", that won it for me.

Ether was a relentless diss for the duration of the track, which is cool.
I just don't think Nas got enough from the battle to call it a victory, and he turned Jay down for a televised battle :no:

Simon

October 21st, 2004, 6:01 AM

I cant wait for Nas' new cd. I am waitin patiently for NY State of Mind Pt 3 to be made, pt one is one of the greatest rap songs EVER.Pt. 3 already exists, it has Alicia Keys and Rakim on it. It's a decent track and would probably be considered great if the first one didn't exist, but just like Pt. 2 it's an inferior version of the original.

Also, Nas took Jay Z. Takeover had only a couple of nice lines, Ether was 4 minutes of heat.

Seanny One Ball

October 21st, 2004, 8:01 AM

Nas taking Jay Z is popular belief, but then you'd also say that Nelly took KRS without hearing any of KRS' disses eh Simon?

You're slippin boi

Simon

October 21st, 2004, 8:08 AM

I heard the KRS disses you mong. They weren't good.

If KRS had delivered Nelly's lyrics and Nelly spat KRS' lyrics, everyone would be saying KRS murdered Nelly. Simple fact is, KRS took the battle in the eyes of the public simply because he's KRS, and Nelly lost because he's Nelly. The actual lyricism wasn't even relevant.

Seanny One Ball

October 21st, 2004, 10:06 AM

KRS didn't take the battle in the eyes of the public - Nelly did because the public don't even know who KRS is.

The lyricism is relevant you fool, KRS murdered Nelly.
Nelly spat about 4 lines on the man and KRS was writing whole songs.

Sure it was a pointless attack and could be percieved as sad, but KRS killed Nelly - end of.

Simon

October 21st, 2004, 10:12 AM

KRS didn't take the battle in the eyes of the public - Nelly did because the public don't even know who KRS is.The eyes of the listening public, you imbecile - i.e. hip-hop fans. KRS won on name value alone.

Seanny One Ball

October 21st, 2004, 11:35 AM

No he didn't, he wins because he's better than Nelly at battling, you retardation of what once was possibly a human.

QuietStorm

October 21st, 2004, 12:45 PM

KRS won the battle with the track he did with Tonedeff.

Man, is he ever crazy these days. Telling Nas to speak at NASA has got to be the funniest thing he has ever said.

TapOut

October 21st, 2004, 3:20 PM

I can totally understand why people like Nas better than Jay-Z...they are both friggin awesome. But I just like Jay-Z a shitload better. He can make a beat and go to the studio and record a song without even writing any words. And I'm sorry, I still say he killed Nas in the rap battles.
The only thing I will never forgive Jay-Z for is taking Tupac's "Me and My Girlfriend" and ruining it when he made "03 Bonnie and Clyde"..... he mixed it with a Prince sample and sung it with Beyonce...... ughhhh.
But other than that, Jay-Z is probably the only rapper to appeal to the pop/mainstream crowd and hardcore hip-hop fans alke.

Fro

October 21st, 2004, 3:47 PM

I am seeing The Roots this saturday at UConn, it should be off the heezy fo sheezy. Their new album is dope as hell (don't deny) and they are the bomb live. This will be my 3rd time seeing them. I can't wait.

jesus sucks

October 21st, 2004, 6:06 PM

The takeover's underrated. ether is probably a bit better but people just say "ah, the takeovers shit". it fucking isnt, go and listen to it properly. quality lines start to finish. imo Jay-z was alot closer to winning that battle than people give him credit for.

Mr. Boombastic

October 22nd, 2004, 1:59 AM

wow, thanks HB2K4 for lettin me know that there is a NY State of Mind Pt 3. I gotta get that, especially if Rakim is on it too.

I never said that The Takeover was a great battle rap, its just that I think Nas is on fire for Ether and its just much superior.

I got a question for people out there

What does everybody think about Outkast? Their last album was half funk, but Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik and Aquemini are classics. They are two of my favorite rap artists of all time. What do you think (I am especially interested in Quietstorms opinion)?

Simon

October 22nd, 2004, 2:41 AM

Basically everything up til Stankonia is gold IMO...Stankonia is still nice but not as good as the previous albums, and The Love Below just wasn't really for me.

Seanny One Ball

October 22nd, 2004, 5:01 AM

Speaker Boxx was alright, The Love Below is shite.

Aquimeni is classic, a really brilliant album but weird as hell if you're on something at the time of listening.
Stankonia was the album that brought Outkast to my personal attention, so I have to say it's quality and I'll regret not buying it for dirt cheap when I had the chance.

I've always preferred Big Boi to Andre 3000 :yes:

jesus sucks

October 22nd, 2004, 6:42 AM

Aquemini was my favourite album of that year, it doesnt sound quite as good now as it did then but its still brilliant. I think Andre 3000 raps best on ATLiens though, dead smooth.

Simon

October 22nd, 2004, 6:54 AM

Throw yo hands in tha ayurrrrrr

Seanny One Ball

October 22nd, 2004, 9:19 AM

I'm cooler than a Polar Bear's toenails...

QuietStorm

October 22nd, 2004, 1:44 PM

(I am especially interested in Quietstorms opinion)? I don't understand why you would care about my opinion but whatever.

It is fairly well-documented in this thread that I am not a fan of Outkast. Never have been, never will be. Not to say that I don't like anything they have done but the overall product doesn't appeal to me. Add to that the fact that I am not too fond of Mos Def and I actually feel kind of bad because Krispy probably thinks I have something against him. :(

Raw Is Jonathan

October 22nd, 2004, 4:01 PM

Wish that blinking andre 3000 hadn't started thinking he was a singer... and why they had to do two single albums... they best get a killer album out together without the singing monkey! cee-lo is better.

BTW, Wordsworth, :yes: loving Mirror Music.

spanish announce table

October 23rd, 2004, 8:28 PM

Just checked out Artofrhyme.com, and some of the new tracks they have there are awesome. Mos Def's "Sunshine", Immortal Technique's "Bin Laden", Cheif Kamachi's "Angel Feathers" and Q-Unique's "Nature of the Beast" are all quality. Nas' "Bridging the Gap" is dope just for the beat alone.

Simon

October 24th, 2004, 4:24 AM

Bin Laden is a great track, the sampling on it is quality. And yeah, Bridging the Gap is brilliant...

defjeff

October 24th, 2004, 10:53 PM

Who's heard Mos Def's new CD? Totally disappointing.......

QuietStorm

October 24th, 2004, 10:55 PM

Yeah, it is awful.

CollegeGraduate

October 25th, 2004, 12:09 AM

Mos Def blows. He is a better actor than rapper and thats not saying much. He is way overrated and it seems all the hip hop "heads" jock him for some reason. Heard the Nas track Bridging the gap. Awesome flow. I am not much for the beat however.

Trick daddy has a new cd coming out too apparently. :)

Richard

October 25th, 2004, 12:55 AM

I bet this one's been discussed before, but I just can't bother to look back all that many pages:

I bought Nelly's "Sweat", based on 'Over and Over' and 'Tilt ya' head back'. Now I liked it, and I give it a 3 1/2 starts. As for Suit, I really need you guy's opinion on it. It's totally selling out Sweat on the US charts, but there really isn't a song that stick out for me.

So, "Sweat" or "Suit"? Which one is BETTER???? Thanks! :cool:

Dan The Man

October 25th, 2004, 1:03 AM

Whoa whoa whoa, people.

First of all, his work on Black Star is phenomenal (better than Kweli's), and Black on Both Sides is pretty damn good.

As for The New Danger, I think the problem most people have is that it's getting out of the realm of hip-hop. And not in that pretentious Andre 3000 kind of way. In the genuine way of branching out into other forms of music and doing them right. It's amazing to me how a metal band can have their singer rap and it always turns out shitty, but you take Mos and add Black Jack Johnson and he makes it work. It seems to me like the whole album is rooted in the track "Rock N Roll" off Black on Both Sides; it's Mos saying "There's a lot more to black music than hip-hop" and showing those styles off. Thankfully the rock tracks are much better than the end of "Rock N Roll," to the point that I'd say they're better than most bands passing themselves off as Rock nowadays.

But of course the aesthetic of black music neither starts nor ends with rock. So you've got the blues (in both Delta and Rhythm forms), crooning, soul, the flat-out emotion of "The Beggar" which reminds me a lot of Lenny Williams, and a few downright haunting tracks ("Boogie Man Song" and the almost heart-breaking first half of "Modern Marvel").

It's tough because you can't really say it's a great album because it changes genres so often. But that doesn't mean that the songs aren't good. There are good hip-hop songs, good blues songs, good soul songs... so you may fault Mos' decision to do them all on one album, but the fact that he switches them up and does them so well (I'm pretty much amazed how good his rock songs are... not for a hip-hop artist doing rock, but for rock in itself. I'd definitely buy a Mos Def & Black Jack Johnson full length rock album) is nothing short of amazing. It's a tough album to rate because on the one hand, the different genres make you want to rate the album itself lower than the sum of the songs, but on the other hand, you want to rate it higher than the sum as well. So I'll try to split the difference and just say that it is a good album, and an extremely satisfying listening experience if you're not looking for a hip-hop album.

Seanny One Ball

October 25th, 2004, 5:18 AM

Don't be a dick. - HB2K4

Cheers for the edit Simon, that was nice of you :yes:

QuietStorm

October 26th, 2004, 3:10 PM

Wyclef Jean confirmed on Hot 97 the other day that Canibus has signed to Clef Records.

Angie - "So he (Bis) is back with Clef records?"

Wyclef - "Yeah yeah and the good thing about it is he isn't just coming back as an artist though. Canibus is a genious in what he does when it comes to business."

Kris P. Lettus

October 26th, 2004, 8:52 PM

I :heart: Mos Def's new shit.. For all the reason's DTM already stated..

Nice change of pace from the usual "Hip Hop" of today..

Tracks 6 and 7 are outstanding, musically, and his flow on "close edge" is some of his best ever, IMO...

TapOut

October 26th, 2004, 11:50 PM

I'm not a huge fan of Nelly, but I thoroughly enjoyed both Suit and Sweat equally. Suit is more of a RnBish type album.... which isn't much for Nelly, but I really enjoyed the songs. None seem to stick out as mindblowing, but just listen to it on a long cardrive and when the CD stops, you'll think "Hmmm, that was pretty good."

Richard

October 27th, 2004, 7:59 PM

Hmm...thanks for replying, Jess. :) I was just about to buy "Suit" last night at Target, but Kayne West's "The College Dropout" was on sale, so I got that instead.

That album is easily my second favorite Hip-Hop/Rap album of 2004. "Through the Wire", "All Falls Down", "Jesus Walks", and every other song on there delivered. Great album. :yes:

Seanny One Ball

October 27th, 2004, 9:50 PM

I agree, all the singles that get released are great.

Richard

October 28th, 2004, 7:44 PM

Sarcasm?

Seanny One Ball

October 29th, 2004, 6:43 AM

No, I bought three copies of Nellyville because I was afraid my constant playing of it would scratch it away to nothing.

Richard

October 29th, 2004, 2:25 PM

Three copies of...:shocked:

*slowly backs out of thread*

Kris P. Lettus

October 29th, 2004, 4:09 PM

Nelly??

*slowly backhands SB@*

Seanny One Ball

October 30th, 2004, 12:49 PM

Nelly??

*slowly backhands SB@*

Tell me Kris...did it hurt when you swallowed the hook, then the line and then the sinker?

Kris P. Lettus

October 30th, 2004, 6:25 PM

:ashamed:

Luca Brassiere

October 30th, 2004, 7:15 PM

Nelly is an elephant, not a rapper.

Kris P. Lettus

November 1st, 2004, 1:07 PM

Anyone heard about The Game??

Aftermath/G-Unit mix tape up and comer...

http://www.thegame.aftermathmusic.com/

Only thing I don't get is the NWA relation.. I mean dude's like my age, which means he was like 8 when NWA was popular..

:dunno:

DGAF

November 1st, 2004, 2:39 PM

Game is 24...

Richard

November 1st, 2004, 3:10 PM

Anyone heard about that rapper Jin? His release last week, "The Rest Is History", debuted at No. 54 on the Billboard charts this week. I haven't heard or read any reviews about him yet, so just wondering if you lot have checked this dude out.

But...back to my rock stations now. :p

Kris P. Lettus

November 1st, 2004, 3:14 PM

Game is 24...

I am 23..

NWA were hella popular in '89..

So, sorry.. He was 9..

Simon

November 1st, 2004, 4:44 PM

Richard

November 1st, 2004, 5:02 PM

Hmm...maybe not worth the $9. :\ But I guess I'll support my fellow asian anyways.

*runs off to Best Buy*

QuietStorm

November 1st, 2004, 5:10 PM

Like I was saying Simon....

I have a jaded opinion of Fabolous because I keep saying how great he is in the mainstream, better than most. Then this album leaks and 2/3rds of it is shite. But the other third of it, including the best single of the year in "Breathe", is nice.

He is still isn't saying much, but the flow and rhymes are intoxicating.

Fro

November 2nd, 2004, 1:35 AM

I don't think The Game has any direct connection to NWA, he is just also from Compton. But the album title has been changed anyway, I forget what it is now.

Kris P. Lettus

November 2nd, 2004, 1:51 AM

I don't think The Game has any direct connection to NWA, he is just also from Compton. But the album title has been changed anyway, I forget what it is now.

I figured as much...

p.s.got the Disciples of the 36th Chambers CD/DVD yet??

spanish announce table

November 2nd, 2004, 10:26 AM

I went to the K-os concert at my sister's college last night, and it was friggin incredible.

Both opening acts got about half an hour each. Shawn Hewitt (the first guy) is a very good singer, and was much better than Peter Elkas (the guy after him).

Took over half an hour between Elkas and K-os, but when he finally opened with "B-Boy Stance" the place went nuts for the whole 2 hour set. He sounds just as good live as he does on a CD, whether its rapping or singing. What made the show even better was that he played with a live band and a DJ. He played keyboard an guitar too.

He went into a rendition of "Liquid Swords", and a couple of Bob Marley songs. Liquid Swords sounds better with a live guitar than it does on a record. Through out the whole show, he kicked 5 or 6 freestyles which was pretty cool.

Even more impressive than K-os was his band. All 5 members got at least a 5 minute solo. Russel Kline is absolutely amazing on guitar. You seriously need to hear this guy play. The drummer went into a cool solo with the other drummer playing a tabla (!!), with the DJ scratching in the background.

They ended with a heavy metal song where K-os played the guitar too. The place went nuts.

When they left the stage, we called them back out for an encore. They did 25 minutes more, where Kline did a solo for at least 7 minutes. Afterwards, Kline seemed genuinely surprised at how the crowd responded to him and hung around to shake hands and sign autographs. I shook his hand twice.

Bought a ridiculously overpriced $20 Joyful Rebellion shirt.

If any of you have a chance to check K-os out live, I suggest you do it. Just awesome. He's performing at my university tonight, but it's $13. Plus I have a math test.

Simon

November 2nd, 2004, 10:29 AM

Did they play Heaven Only Knows? That would be immense.

spanish announce table

November 2nd, 2004, 12:29 PM

He played an extended 12 minute version with guitar breaks in between. We all wents nuts for Crabbucket.

QuietStorm

November 3rd, 2004, 4:58 AM

I have Encore. :wiggle:

Yet to listen, but I hear it is hotttt. And Simon, you were right. Big Weenie was part of the real tracklisting. But it is produced by Dre, so who knows.

Yep, hot album. It is great to see him take the piss out of himself. Many of the tracks are so awful they are good. "Like Toy Soldiers", "Mockingbird" and "Rain Man" are the only obvious :yes: tracks.

Can't wait until the next Obie Trie album....

Wait. Yeah I can. Shady Records is wizzack.

The thing is, I picture a lot of these tracks with the Slim Shady flow/voice and they WOULD be great. It is what makes "Mockingbird" so great. Just the laid back flow of the old days.

I am undecided as of yet. :dunno:

Simon

November 3rd, 2004, 10:38 AM

Sendies tonight? :)

Cubed-Sphere

November 3rd, 2004, 5:49 PM

Simon

November 3rd, 2004, 6:49 PM

Jay

November 3rd, 2004, 7:31 PM

I've got Encore too, and I have to say that I like it. I wasn't too impressed with "Just Lose It", although the beat soon became so catchy that it ended up being quite good in a strange way. That, and I ended up liking the "HA HA HA HA HA". :$

Anyway, I'd heard Mosh a few days ago and I wasn't taken in by that straight away either, and D12's last album was pretty awful too, so I'd gone from being really excited about Eminem's latest offering to wondering how bad it was going to be. But, having given it a once over, it's pretty good. A few very good tracks that hit you straight away, such as "Like Toy Soldiers" and "Mockingbird", and a few more that'd catch on the more you listen to them, I think.

In my opinion, Em could never do anything like the Slim Shady LP again (well, he probably could, I think it's that he just doesn't want to), or Marshall Mathers LP for that matter, but I'd say this is just behind The Eminem Show in terms of quality. I may end up liking it more than The Eminem Show, I might not, but it hasn't hit me as much as Eminem Show did first time round. They're both quite similar, I think, in the topics of songs, quality, etc. Other that that, a pretty good album, nicely presented and it met my expectations...just.

By the way, it's all over suprnova.org, Simon.

CollegeGraduate

November 3rd, 2004, 8:27 PM

QuietStorm

November 3rd, 2004, 9:23 PM

QuietStorm

November 3rd, 2004, 9:32 PM

Anyone heard anything about the new Pac album of unreleased material coming Dec. 14th?

So far, here's the details i've read:

-12 to 13 track album, with 2 or 3 remixes being added at the end as Bonus tracks
-All 12 or 13 tracks off the actual album have beats produced by Eminem, but dont' worry, he said Dre had a hand in them as well. With the remixes being done by DJ-Quik and Red Spyda
-The album is called Loyal 2 The Game and has G-Unit, Nate Dogg, Jadakiss, Sleepy Brown, Obie Trice, and the Outlawz as special guests.

The only announced tracks so far are:
1. Ghetto Gospel
2. Hennessey feat. Obie Trice
3. Out On Bail
4. Po' Nigga Blues
5. Don't You Trust Me?
6. Loyal 2 the Game feat. G-Unit
7. Thugz Get Lonely Too feat. Nate Dogg
8. Thug 4 Life
9. Loyal 2 tha Game RMX
10. Hennessey RMX feat. Sleepy Brown
Pomona CA- A young male was shot multiple times in the abdomen just outside Pomona California in the early hours of Sunday morning. The victim, who is said to be in critical condition was shot several times around 3:30 AM on Valley BLVD near Devry University.

Though details are a bit sketchy, Police detective Byron Jenkins says they are looking into an odd connection between the victim, who is an underground rapper from New Jersey and the late Tupac Shakur. Witnesses told detectives the suspect, an African American male dressed in all black, approached the man and yelled “Thug Life” (an overt reference to Tupac’s slogan) and opened fire hitting the man three times. The victim apparently had a personal feud with the late rapper and was said to be disliked in the Southern California area, where Tupac Shakur lived until his death in 1996.

The detective said they are seeking the assistance of the public in capturing the suspect.

To contact the Pomona Police please call (909) 620-2131

Inland Valley Daily Bulletin

Copyright © 2004 Inland Valley Daily

I swear to fucking God if that is Chino XL (as the rumor is floating) I will hate you, every groupie like you, and the memory of Tupac Shakur forever.

QuietStorm

November 3rd, 2004, 9:40 PM

Joe Grande on Power 106 a few minutes ago said the man who was shot several times in Pomona California was New Jersey rapper CHINO XL.

The twisted part was apparently it was by a diehard Tupac fan who said he did it in retaliation for Tupac.

The suspect was a 19 year old kid from Los Angeles.

No details were given out on his condition, where he got shot, how many times he got shot, they said Chino was in L.A. in a movie set to shoot a movie of some sort.

So this kid was......eleven......when Tupac died? What a tool.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

Get better Chino. :cry:

CollegeGraduate

November 4th, 2004, 1:19 AM

I liked three tracks. Now I like two. "Mockingbird" and "Like Toy Soldiers" rivals some of the best stuff he has ever done. "Rain Man" made me laugh the first couple listens, plus the Dr. Dre beat bumps hard. The rest of the album is borderline garbage.

I am uploading it in ZIP format to yousendit.com right now. I'll PM you the link when it is done.

thanks alot man.

u can email it to ifiruledthew0rld@yahoo.com if it is easier. thanks again.

P.S Thats some fucked up shit about Chino. Some people take music way too seriously. It is sad when shit like this happens. :(

Richard

November 4th, 2004, 1:57 AM

When is Tupac really gonna die?

QuietStorm

November 4th, 2004, 6:02 AM

I'm still not entirely sure yet, but it might have been a false rumor. It is nowhere on the net other than the usual message boards and that original article did appear fake. The only reason I put any credence into it was that they reported it on Power 106, one of the two biggest hip hop radio stations in New York. I definitely wasn't the only one conned if it was a false rumor. Plus it is like the fourth time he has been reported dead or wounded in the past couple years. Allhiphop.com is infamous for spreading false rumors about him.

CG, were you able to get the Eminem album through the link in the PM?

Simon

November 4th, 2004, 12:43 PM

QS, when you were talking about the *SHOCK HORROR* good production by Emine, you omitted Spend Some Time...that beat is nice. Which makes it three good tracks out of 20+...yeah, good work Eminem.

What's the bets crushednutz still spunks his load over the album even though it's 90% terrible.

gypsyjackson

November 4th, 2004, 6:01 PM

Though details are a bit sketchy, Police detective Byron Jenkins says they are looking into an odd connection between the victim, who is an underground rapper from New Jersey and the late Tupac Shakur.
The above sentence demonstrates admirably the importance of the comma in modern English.

CollegeGraduate

November 4th, 2004, 7:31 PM

QS, thanks alot for the em album.

Boy oh boy, WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT. The whole fucking album seems situated around 3 things, HIS WIFE, HIS DAUGHTER, HIS "FUCKED UP" life growing up, and sprinkle in some messages about the president. I heard a rumor that Em released this cd as a joke, and leaked it on purpose, so people would think its the real thing. I doubt it, but this album is garbage.

By the way, the song, We as americans, I swear 2 god i heard that shit like a year ago. Yet, its on this cd? wtf? Yeah, Disappointed to say the least..

QuietStorm

November 4th, 2004, 8:04 PM

We As Americans, Love Me, and Ricky Ticky Toc are on the bonus CD. The first two leaked last year and were polished up. We As Americans, though nothing special still, sounds a lot better now.

Also, the Chino thing was just another fast-spreading web falsity.

http://www.rapnewsdirect.com/News/2004/11/04/Chino.XL.never.hap/

Thank fuck it was a rumor. I was about to go on a Tupac-fan killing spree.

Zarius

November 4th, 2004, 11:12 PM

Encore was what it was....a complete re-hash of "Eminem Show", except less humerous.

Download this only for "Mocking Bird", "Like Toy Soilders", and "Mosh" (well...ok, only download that if you think Bush is a wanker...)

CollegeGraduate

November 4th, 2004, 11:46 PM

I did like Rainman though.

Why would anyone re-hash Eminem Show? It wasnt even that good to begin with.

Damn, I still am having a hard time believing this album is this much of a letdown. I have been looking forward to it for months.

Cubed-Sphere

November 5th, 2004, 1:26 AM

The track info has changed on the Pac album, right now the only confirmed tracks are:

Ghetto Gospel
Stay A Crooked Nigga
Po' Nigga Blues feat. Ron Isley
Out On Bail feat. Nate Dogg
Uppercut feat. Outlawz (EDI and Young Noble)
Hennessey feat. Sleepy Brown
Thugz Get Lonely Too feat. Nate Dogg
Don't You Trust Me
Loyal 2 The Game feat. G-Unit (50 Cent, Young Buck, Lloyd Banks)
Thug 4 Life

All the other previously mentioned tracks are either gunna be dropped or changed if they aren't on my above list.

New Producers: Johnny J (Pac's main producer when on DR), Red Spyda, Scott Storch, DJ Quik, and Eminem.

Zarius

November 6th, 2004, 6:57 PM

I think I'll add "Yellow Brick Road" to the list of good tracks on Encore, as I had yet to listen to it when I first heard the album.

Raw Is Jonathan

November 7th, 2004, 5:29 AM

New Royce out?

Any good?

Anything worthwhile coming out between now and christmas? (Please don't say Eminem)

Fro

November 7th, 2004, 2:56 PM

Nas - Streets Disciple

Simon

November 7th, 2004, 3:13 PM

Yer Street's Disciple is set to be brilliant. Heard a few tracks and it's all good.

Raw Is Jonathan

November 7th, 2004, 4:44 PM

:yes:

Should have said Nas goes without saying...

Whats peoples opinions on Wordsworth? Whereas I'm not blown away completely by him, I do like his style and he's got a nice album there in Mirror Music.

QuietStorm

November 7th, 2004, 6:17 PM

Canibus, Jus Allah, Chino XL will all be out early next year. Those are the ones I am looking forward too.

And you know I :heart: Wordsworth. He isn't Eyedea when it comes to off-the-dome freestyling but he is definitely in the top few.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000

November 8th, 2004, 1:12 PM

Ja Rule - R.U.L.E :derr:

Dunno how much you like Xzibit, Jonno, his new one's gonna be called Weapons of Mass Destruction... and obviously Nas. Bridging the Gap = :drool:

My manager gave me a copy of Encore last night, some of it's alright, some of it's painful, haven't really had a good listen, just had it on the minidisc as I went to buy my tickets for the Luton game on Friday night.

My favourite track is probably Encore, I'm a suckah for D.R.E

Raw Is Jonathan

November 8th, 2004, 4:27 PM

I'm not interested in Eminem's album unless it got raving reviews, which it won't.

Xzibit's okay, got none of his albums though... :\

Anything of Tonedeff's out before Xmas remember QS going on about a couple of his projects coming out soon...

Simon

November 8th, 2004, 4:30 PM

Get At The Speed Of Life by Xzibit...greatness

QuietStorm

November 8th, 2004, 8:36 PM

Anything of Tonedeff's out before Xmas remember QS going on about a couple of his projects coming out soon...Considering Archetype has been pushed back more times than Chino XL I wouldn't count on it. But that and his project with Kno WILL eventually come out and I'll just be happy when they do. I am done with anticipating.

Cubed-Sphere

November 8th, 2004, 9:44 PM

Elton John turned out to be the special guest on the song Ghetto Gospel, which will be the 2nd single from the "new" Pac album. There's a 35 second clip of their collabo on westcoastaftershock.com... check it out, it's actually a very natural combination to my ears.

CollegeGraduate

November 9th, 2004, 12:13 AM

Still waiting to hear what u guys think about the New Royce Cd!

Lenny_and_Carl

November 9th, 2004, 9:04 AM

Is "like toy soldiers" based entirely on Eminem's fued with Ja Rule/Benzino or is there something else I'm missing. I just dont get this bit:

"I went through my whole career without ever mentionin' (?)
Now it's just out of respect for not runnin' my mouth
And talkin' about something that I knew nothing about
Plus Dre told me stay out, this just wasn't my beef
So I did, I just fell back, watched and gritted my teeth
While he's all over t.v. down talkin' a man who literally saved my life"

Not entirely sure why I care so much either, but its been bothering me since I first heard the song.

Simon

November 9th, 2004, 9:07 AM

I meant to ask that before, think it MIGHT be something to do with Eazy, the way it references someone talking shit about Dre, but realistically it's more likely Dupri, who was more recently shooting his mouth off about Dre. But Eminem didn't stay out of that beef, so I dunno.

QuietStorm

November 9th, 2004, 1:40 PM

Suge.

CollegeGraduate

November 10th, 2004, 12:11 AM

Suge.

That makes sense. Could u elaborate more however? Why would Em have a problem with suge?

Maybe because Suge dissed Dre several times and Eminem feels Dre is like his Dad? Hmm.. But Snoop did diss Suge several times in response. Man oh man, I would love Em to step to Suge instead of Christopher reeve.

QuietStorm

November 10th, 2004, 12:55 AM

Eminem has no real problem with Suge. Suge is just jealous of everyone else that makes money, plus he is racist and only sees white when he looks at Eminem. He has gone on record many times taking shots at Eminem, has had his artists take shots at him on tracks, and "supported" Ja Rule and Irv Gotti more out of spite for Eminem and Dr. Dre than any connection he cared to have with Murder Inc.

Suge Knight epitomizes everything that is wrong with hip hop. But damn, the man is gangsta.

The Champagne

November 10th, 2004, 1:19 AM

Eminem is wack! All of his new singles suck, the man has lost it. Did u guys hear those Source Magazine tapes they released on eminem (taking shots at black women, saying blacks are porch monkeys, etc), he a racist in my books. Em could only sell to alot of rich, little kids, which is sad...

Big Simon's label will be back in 2005... : D

QuietStorm

November 10th, 2004, 1:53 AM

I think I'll take the opinion of Juice way before yours....

You briefly touched on Eminem. What are your thoughts these days on "Just Lose It" and the controversy surrounding that?

I think that Eminem is someone who is gonna do what he wants to do regardless of what you think about it. I think that the timing of the song might be bad for Michael Jackson, but it's a hilarious song and it's even more hilarious visually. So, is it Eminem's fault that Michael Jackson's in trouble? Nah. Is it bad for Mike? For sure. Do I stand behind Eminem? Of course. Do I think he's a racist? No. I think that the way you know that he's not is that there are dozens and dozens of minority's who are millionaires from Eminem and if he didn't want it that way; it didn't have to be that way. I don't think that him not liking any particular group of people is necessarily a true statement. I think we all say stuff in the privacy of our own homes that we don't expect to be taken. I think in his instance, it happened to be taped when he was kind of young and it's coming back to bite him. Do I think it's gonna have some effect on his celebrity? It could. I doubt it. I think that the powers that be support him. I consider him a friend of mine... I'm as cool with him as I could be with somebody who has a hundred million dollars. I mean we can't really kick it in the same places; I'm not as rich as that. But I'm sure if I was in the industry with a successful album, I'd probably be hangin' 'round him a lot. As a fellow artist and a future rap star; I got his back. I know a lot of people who feel that way.

And how exactly is Death Row going to come back? When is the last time they actually released a solo album? Kurupt has gotten by spitting nonsense his entire career and nobody really cares about him. And Crooked I was poised to become a huge star and they pushed his album back all the way to the point of him leaving the label. Death Row has been dead since 1998.

Simon

November 10th, 2004, 8:38 AM

The Eminem album is growing on me a little. Never Enough, Rain Man and Curtains Down are all good tracks, as well as the three I liked before. I'd now perhaps call it a good album, although being an Eminem album it's still a huge disappointment. A good CD, but simply not an Eminem CD

jesus sucks

November 10th, 2004, 8:44 AM

:lol:

you always do that, si.

Simon

November 10th, 2004, 8:56 AM

Na not really, I usually don't give an album a second listen if I hate it at first. I think this album is slightly worse than TES, which is terrible compared to SSLP and MMLP, but it's still better than the majority of commercial hip-hop albums that have come out recently

Raw Is Jonathan

November 10th, 2004, 9:44 AM

worse than the enimem show?!?

my god... i onyl gave thata three listens at the most!

dispicable!

The Champagne

November 10th, 2004, 1:26 PM

Quiet Storm...

Kurupt is actually doing it big (way better than Daz Dillinger BTW), he has The Riflemen coming out with Jayo, Prodigy, 40 Glocc...He's doing the Y.A. project with his lil brother Roscoe, and Kurupt has his own label as well Kustapo, and being the VP at DR. Kurupt is still doing this thing. And lil jon produced some tracks over that tha row, and Petey Pablo is rollin' with DR, Danny Boy is still around...so Suge is in the process of re-building his label...just watch...

PS: I think Suge should handle all 2PAC projects...that new 2pac cd sounds like crap with GUnit and Eminem all over it, I ain't getting it. His mom is messing up her son's dynasty. I'll download it for 2pac's raps thats it.

On Eminem, i respect your opinion, but I cant stand Eminem, too bad Dre had to side with the white boy. But its cool, just what i think...

Kris P. Lettus

November 10th, 2004, 5:24 PM

On Eminem, i respect your opinion, but I cant stand Eminem, too bad Dre had to side with the white boy. But its cool, just what i think...

:wtf:

It's actually not cool, you know, being racist and all...

The Champagne

November 11th, 2004, 12:48 PM

^^ im being racist??

Kris P. Lettus

November 11th, 2004, 4:16 PM

If the color of his skin effects who you think it's right for Dre to "side with", then yes, you're being racist..

Now just saying he's a garbage rapper, because he just plain sucks, is aiight..

QuietStorm

November 11th, 2004, 4:29 PM

Sorry Champagne, I didn't read past "Kurupt is actually....". I swear though, dissecting a Kurupt rhyme is like trying to read Bob Dobbs. It would take months before you think you have made any progress. At least Canibus sticks with real words. Kurupt just makes them up as he goes along.

And everyone knows Doc Dre is colorblind. He only sees green. Heh.

QuietStorm

November 11th, 2004, 4:38 PM

This is my impression of Kurupt rhyming. Yes ok, maybe he did look in a dictionary. But the dude NEVER, EVER makes any sense.

scientific alien exteresstrials with supersonic ultramagnetic tentacles flammable animals annihilate obliterated cuticles with minimal despicable rifles upon dinosaur thesaurus transmentally physically spiritually emotionally predominating the condemnation.......

And now, here is a REAL Kurupt rhyme. Can you please explain any single line for me. Thank a bunch! The fact that there are so many errors and question marks there only makes it funnier.

Nigga you want war? Yeah right, I'm mic sky like stiletto
Holocaust to high school, roscoe to Vasco
Impossible lives the hospitalized
franchise strip niggas is broke for ranches mansions avalanches
Alarms ring cause harm in court
like platinum and gold
I've sold a whole, explosions hit explode implode
Popped out bodies dropped off on Rider's road
I've seen and foreseen the unseen
and able hardly able to separate the myths from fables
I'ma buy a Baltic while you purchase fireplaces
Poisonous supply and occupy in space
The midnight I could hide the dark until the spark
Light up the night nothing everything in sight
I'ma cross the finish line with both legs broken
Flow coke broken both toke smokin' (wha?)
Daz dilly machine dean two shottie
The life of a party is a live scene
Gastra.. neo kung-fu niastra
Monsoons swarm en route like harpoons
Young black Sinatra analytical ANTRA
a million percent proof bound to found the youth
uncrude uncoil bubble and boil turmoil
Don't specialize and ill crack your bones
Now fuck with that (automatic cardiac attack)
Forced to front in your chest back, (?)no raptor arab(?)
Kuruption! Yeah that's me!
New word to the dome, cyclone stallone
stainless steel momomamamarron(?)
get done cloned and choke in stone

Raw Is Jonathan

November 11th, 2004, 4:43 PM

He's talking about being a spastic?

Simon

November 11th, 2004, 4:54 PM

Probably another fucking anti-Bush track

The Champagne

November 11th, 2004, 7:45 PM

And everyone knows Doc Dre is colorblind. He only sees green. Heh.

Couldnt have said it better myself!

As for my statement about Eminem's skin colour, I didnt mean for it to be racist...Kurupt is decent, listen to his Riflemen shit...He's for sure beating his old DPG homie Daz.

What were we talking about again? C'mon guys Im having a bad day here lol :(

Cubed-Sphere

November 11th, 2004, 8:24 PM

The Champagne

November 12th, 2004, 2:22 AM

^^ Ghetto Gospel with Elton John is a piece of crap IMO. His mama should just release the OG versions to the songs with a little bit of tweaking instead of trying to break out into other artists fanbase like g units, shady, etc. & I believe its wack to see eminem producing the songs, they shoulda let people who actually knew tupac like johnny j, qd3, devante, daz...but whatever lol

Jay

November 12th, 2004, 11:52 AM

Westwood has said Encore is "Eminem's best album to date", and that it's "one of the greatest hip-hop records of all time." o_O

Although, I can't say that I'm surprised to hear him say that, since he's a complete and utter dickhead, but that's an unbelievable statement he's made.

Encore has grown on me even more, though. I've found myself listening to it a lot more than I thought I would, and it's a lot better than my first impressions. I thought it was a pretty good album at first, but it's definitely a good album now...especially at this moment in time, where I feel there's not a lot of good stuff coming out. I'd say it's a bit better than The Eminem show, but it's still not close to what he's truly capable of (Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, etc.)

jesus sucks

November 13th, 2004, 2:26 PM

i think i'll like it. eminem is the man. word is that its out already here, so im gonna go and get it tomorrow morning.

Friday

November 13th, 2004, 2:28 PM

It came out on Friday.

Simon

November 13th, 2004, 3:23 PM

Although, I can't say that I'm surprised to hear him say that, since he's a complete and utter dickhead, but that's an unbelievable statement he's made.On what grounds is he a dickhead? Unless 'being a pioneer for British hip-hop and basically being solely responsible for bringing hip-hop into British culture' is your reason.

Nicky

November 13th, 2004, 4:03 PM

That'd be my main reason to call him a dickhead.

QuietStorm

November 13th, 2004, 9:35 PM

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102104_popular_culture.shtml

Popular Culture vs. Bush

By
Michael Kane

[The hundred million Americans who don't vote may not be active citizens, but they certainly are active consumers. And what they consume is mass culture. When a gigantic Hip-Hop star like Eminem releases a video in which he impersonates George W. Bush's demented zone-out in the Booker Elementary classroom, that's a very good thing for the 911 Truth Movement. Perhaps more importantly, it may remind millions of young Americans that this President (i.e., this administration and its corporate allies) watches while they die. Even if they don't notice the active complicity of the administration in the events of 9/11, they'll be reminded that Bush did nothing to help. Eminem is not the first performer to step forward with criticism of Bush regarding 9/11. But he may be the most important one to do so yet: his immense popularity as a crossover artist extends across demographics of ethnicity, region, and to some extent, even age. People from the ghetto and the trailer park alike burned in the WTC; as for class, both the investment bankers and the custodial staff were pulverized to the same powder. About twenty million people who were minors in 2001 have since become eligible to vote, and that's not all they're eligible for: some are in those boxes we're not supposed to photograph as they're unloaded at Dover Air Force Base.

Here Mike Kane of FTW and noted political Hip-Hop outfit Clarity, keeps us abreast of developments in what should be a crucial population at the polls. Editor's Note: the positions espoused in lyrics quoted within this article are not necessarily representative of the positions of FTW personnel. From The Wilderness does not advocate violence. -JAH]

October 25, 2004 0800 PDT (FTW) - The Entertainment Industry was a visible force in election 2004 during the summer, but the final weeks of the campaign are seeing a more aggressive push against the incumbent and all he represents. Now Eminem has marshaled his prodigious stardom for the anti-Bush cause with his latest single, "Mosh."

"F--k Bush, until they bring them troops home!"

The video opens with the World Trade Center being struck by UA Flight 175, sending tremors throughout a nearby building. As the camera swoops in through the window, we see Eminem in a classroom reading to schoolchildren. This is, of course, a reenactment of what happened on 9/11, when Bush continued to read about goats in Booker Elementary School after he was told, "America is under attack." While the "Grand Old Party" would prefer to remember this as the moment when the Commander was first informed of the attacks, in reality Dubya knew all about the first WTC impact before he made the trip from the hotel to Booker Elementary. Either way, the goats in the book had little to offer in the way of life-saving advice.

The footage of Bush at Booker was first used by the NYC Video Production Crew Shadow Government Television in their documentary Osama is a Bush, but was seen worldwide when Michael Moore used the same footage in Fahrenheit 9/11. Eminem's decision to reenact the scene brings a vast new audience to the unanswered questions:

Why didn't the president react? How could the Secret Service have been so sure another plane wasn't headed for the elementary school to kill Bush? Who was America's Commander in Chief while Bush read about goats?

The answer to each of those questions is Dick Cheney, but that's another story.

In 2003, Eminem was investigated by the Secret Service for his lyrics in the song We as Americans, featured on his latest release titled Encore.

F--k money. I don't rap for dead presidents.
I'd rather see the president dead. It's never been said,
but I set precedents and the standards and they can't stand it. ... We as Americans. Us as a citizen. We've got to protect ourselves..."

This reminds me of a song by Dead Prez called Assassination, from their first CD Let's Get Free:

You ain't even safe with a full clip,
I swear on the president's grave, I'm sick of livin' in this bullsh-t
We gotta take it to the full lift,
Meet us up on Capitol Hill, and we can get up on some real sh-t

In the midst of a very clear, though at times un-stated, presidential endorsement from the entertainment industry, will Eminem's "Mosh" be played on MTV before the election? Will it be in regular rotation? It can be seen now at GNN.tv.

Many hip-hop artists have been extremely vocal about their politics long before this election year and are still going strong.

After 9/11, Paris came out of retirement with Sonic Jihad, openly attacking the Bush Administration and sporting the most controversial album cover of the year. Immortal Technique followed suit when he released the lyrically eloquent Revolutionary Vol. 2. And Dead Prez continued to do what they have done for many years with their latest release RBG (Revolutionary but Gangsta).

They have been so successful shaking the underground that their tremors were felt on the Billboard charts when Jadakiss included the line, "Why did Bush take down the Towers?" in his #1 hit single "Why?" Now their message has reached new levels of audience exposure. Eminem's turn toward politics is bound to bring attention to those who have been doing this much longer.

Throughout the Industry, what is largely seen as the pinnacle of mainstream dissent against Bush in America is Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, but it wasn't his only controversial piece in 2004. Mike directed the anti-war video BOOM!, a song by Armenian Metal band System of a Down which was banned from MTV just as the U.S. was invading Iraq.

Recently Chronic Future's Time and Time Again played on MTV despite its left-leaning portrayal of war. Maybe the surreal animation somehow made this video less threatening to the network and its advertisers? Maybe times are changing.

If so, they haven't changed much for Maynard and A Perfect Circle. The band's latest single, a remake of John Lennon's Imagine, can only be seen online at their website. The video uses stock footage showing the atrocities of war. The video opens with an interview of Maynard saying how ironic it is that the controversial footage was broadcast live across network TV, yet no one will play their new video because of that very footage. [to see the video, go to www.aperfectcircle.com and click on the news section]

Howard Stern declared war on Bush when the FCC declared yet another war on the First Amendment (in the person of, for instance, Howard Stern). The Dixie Chicks spoke out against Bush in Europe and came home to see their songs wiped off of Clear Channel radio affiliates. Even Bruce Springsteen got in the mix recently with the Vote for Change tour.

Eminem's agenda with his release of "Mosh" seems almost identical to Springsteen's, but with a different target audience. Getting a major showing of young voters at the polls is the obvious message by the end of "Mosh."

With voices of dissent being shut out of the mainstream media, we see Howard Stern signing with Sirius Satellite Radio and leaving the FM dial in 2006. Howard recently told Billboard magazine that he believes, "There is going to be a rebirth of protest music" via satellite radio. He will be running three new radio stations on Sirius.

Meanwhile Dead Prez, A Perfect Circle, and Eminem are all using the Internet to debut controversial videos which, in some cases, will remain limited to the Internet. But the growing censorship of national TV and radio in America can only add strength to the new media paradigm these artists are promulgating.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Kane is an activist, journalist, and musician who fronts Clarity. He is a frequent FTW contributor, who contributed a full chapter to Mike Ruppert's new book, Crossing the Rubicon. Kane is one of the founding members of NY 9/11 Truth.

Cubed-Sphere

November 16th, 2004, 1:32 AM

My thoughts on Encore.
Soundes horrible from the clips i heard, but i went ahead and bought it. After my 1st listen i concluded that it's okay, but only slightly better than SSLP (which i think is his weakest album). Then i forced myself to listen to it 2 more full times and it's grown on me alot.

Overall, i think it's his 2nd best album now. In my mind, his albums go in this order:
1. Marshall Mathers LP
2. Encore
3. Eminem Show
4. Slim Shady LP

The tracks i like on the album, i consider osme of his best work, but by the same token, the bad tracks on Encore are some of his worst tracks ever.

Tracks worth hearing:
-Evil Deeds
-Never Enough
-Yellowbrick Road
-Toy Soldiers
-Mosh
-Ass Like That (sorry, i actually like it)
-Just Lose It
-Spend Some Time
-Mockingbird
-Encore
-We As Americans
-Love You More
-Ricky Ticky Toc

Tracks worth skipping:
-My 1st Single
-Puke
-Big Weenie
-One Shot 2 Shot

Indifferent:
-Crazy In Love
-Rain Man

I think the best version of this album is to burn it just like i did:

1. ‘Curtains Up - Encore version’
2. ‘Evil Deeds’
3. ‘Never Enough’
4. ‘Yellow Brick Road’
5. ‘Like Toy Soldiers’
6. ‘Mosh’
7. 'We As Americans'
8. 'Love You More'
9. ‘Paul’ (skit)
10. 'Ricky Ticky Toc'
11. ‘Em Calls Paul’ (skit)
12. ‘Just Lose It’
13. ‘Ass Like That’
14. ‘Spend Some Time’
15. ‘Mockingbird’
16. ‘Crazy In Love’
17. ‘Final Thought’ (skit)
18. ‘Encore/Curtains Down’

Now, on to more news about the Tupac album. Here's the confirmed tracks so far:

1. Thugs Get Lonely Too feat. Nate Dogg [3 verse solo]
2. Out On Bail feat. Nate Dogg [3 verse solo]
3. Stay A Crooked Nigga [3 verse solo]
4. Thug 4 Life [2 verse solo]
5. Po' Nigga Blues feat. Ron Isley [2 verse solo]
6. Hennessey feat. Obie Trice [1 2Pac verse]
7. Hennessey RMX feat. EDI and Sleep Brown [1 2Pac verse]
8. Loyal 2 The Game feat. 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, and Young Buck [1 2Pac verse]
9. Uppercut feat. EDI and Young Noble [2 2pac verses)
10. Follow The Leader feat. Jadakiss [1 2Pac verse]
11. Don't You Trust Me? [?]
12. Ghetto Gospel feat. Elton John [4 verse solo]

CollegeGraduate

November 16th, 2004, 3:31 AM

Apparently some shit went down at the VIBE awards tonite. Suge Knight came out and shouted to the crowd, "FUCK G-UNIT". This of course started chaos which lead to a couple members of the Gunit entourage getting stabbed by some death row members.

Here we go. Looks like Suge is going to start some shit with G-Unit now. Fuck I hate Suge, but man, that fucker sureee is gangsta!

CollegeGraduate

November 16th, 2004, 3:35 AM

Overall, i think it's his 2nd best album now. In my mind, his albums go in this order:
1. Marshall Mathers LP
2. Encore
3. Eminem Show
4. Slim Shady LP

You are insane.

Encore>SSLP? I am sorry but you need some ex-lax because you are full of crap

correct list:
1.SSLP
2.MMLP
3. Eminem Show
4. encore

Simon

November 16th, 2004, 6:53 AM

Overall, i think it's his 2nd best album now. In my mind, his albums go in this order:
1. Marshall Mathers LP
2. Encore
3. Eminem Show
4. Slim Shady LP
Hahahahaha...you have to be kidding. Slim Shady LP is easily his best CD, to say that either Encore or TES is better is an absolute joke.

Flow (Ice Cold) 3000

November 16th, 2004, 7:07 AM

College Graduate got it right.

Westwood calls himself "The Big Dawg," how can he not be a complete cunt? I'd heard plenty of hip hop before I even knew who Westwood was, and I hate all British hip hop. I think he was down here last weekend, probably promoting another compilation album of all the commercial pop-hop singles we're sick to death of already.

QuietStorm

November 16th, 2004, 10:16 AM

I like Jehst and Lowkey. :yes:

Simon

November 16th, 2004, 10:26 AM

Klashnekoff is best

QuietStorm

November 16th, 2004, 6:58 PM

I have Street's Disciple. This is primed to be one of the year's best. Just let me know if you want me to upload it to yousendit.com.

Jay

November 16th, 2004, 7:46 PM

Westwood calls himself "The Big Dawg," how can he not be a complete cunt?ahahaha

I'd heard plenty of hip hop before I even knew who Westwood was, and I hate all British hip hop. I think he was down here last weekend, probably promoting another compilation album of all the commercial pop-hop singles we're sick to death of already.:yes:

On what grounds is he a dickhead? Unless 'being a pioneer for British hip-hop and basically being solely responsible for bringing hip-hop into British culture' is your reason.Sorry Simon, I tend to agree with you a lot, but this I strongly disagree with. I think you're giving Westwood far, far too much credit. I think hip-hop was always going to find its place in British culture, Westwood or not, and in effect it'd see Britian itself breaking into the hip-hop scene, which is what's happened/happening. I think he's a dickhead basically because I feel he's very overrated, he seems to have bought A LOT into his own hype, I find him to be extremely annoying as a person and he comes out with comments such as "Encore is Eminem's finest work" (probably because he's always been up Eminem's ass), which you laughed at Cubed-Sphere for.

Simon

November 16th, 2004, 8:15 PM

That's a very rare comment to hear from him. In general, he knows his shit - don't confuse the Westwood CDs with what Westwood is really about. Seriously, Westwood was basically the only hip-hop pioneer in this country of his time, bar John Peel bumping a few obscure tracks as was his way.

And yeah...Street's Disciple is fucking incredible, or at least the first CD is. Album of the year without doubt, I'd say it eclipses Stillmatic and God's Son by far...maybe too early to say, but possibly his best since Illmatic.

CollegeGraduate

November 16th, 2004, 11:40 PM

I have Street's Disciple. This is primed to be one of the year's best. Just let me know if you want me to upload it to yousendit.com.

Please upload it for me! I already owe u for encore.

I'll suck u off, i promise.

CollegeGraduate

November 16th, 2004, 11:41 PM

Cubed-Sphere

November 16th, 2004, 11:49 PM

Hahahahaha...you have to be kidding. Slim Shady LP is easily his best CD, to say that either Encore or TES is better is an absolute joke.
We've been through this argument before and you're boring me. It's all opinion and you can't say what's right or wrong.
Once again: I DON'T LIKE THE BEATS ON SSLP... AT ALL. If i can't stand the beats, why would i listen to the lyrics? Besides i don't like his younger sounding voice, too screechy and i also enjoy deeper tracks, not the bullshit he was on early in his career. I'd rather hear about his daughter and inner demons than drugs and how he wants to kill women. :rolleyes:

No onto what i always care about in Hip-Hop cuz the rest of it stale with the exception of Nas: Tupac.

Complete tracklist to Loyal 2 The Game:

1. "Soldier Like Me (Return Of The Soulja)" featuring Eminem

2. "The Uppercut" featuring E.D.I. and Young Noble of the Outlawz

3. "Out On Bail"

4. "Ghetto Gospel" featuring Elton John

5. "Black Cotton" featuring Eminem and Kastro and Young Noble of the Outlawz

6. "Loyal To The Game" featuring G-Unit

7. "Thugs Get Lonely Too" featuring Nate Dogg

8. "N.I.G.G.A (Never Ignorant About Getting Goals Accomplished)" featuring Jadakiss

9. "Who Do You Love?"

10. "A Crooked Nigga Too"

11. "Don't You Trust Me?"

12. "Hennessey" featuring Obie Trice

13. "Thug 4 Life"

BONUS TRACKS

14. "Po Nigga Blues (Scott Storch Remix)" featuring Ron Isley

15. "Hennessey (Red Spyda Remix)" featuring E.D.I. of the Outlawz and Sleepy Brown

16. "A Crooked Nigga Too (Raphael Saadiq Remix)"

17. "Loyal To The Game (DJ Quik Remix)" featuring Big Syke

BoSox Rule

November 16th, 2004, 11:53 PM

When is Loyal 2 the Game supposed to be released?

Cubed-Sphere

November 17th, 2004, 2:05 AM

When is Loyal 2 the Game supposed to be released?
December 14th

Here's the cover
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006IGGLS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

REMisCool

November 17th, 2004, 5:41 AM

No one is talking about what happend last night at the source awards?

MTV just reported Young Buc has a warrant out for his arrest after he stabbed some guy last night that Punched Dr. Dre in the face several times.

Well, it should have had it's own thread, but that got locked even though it's MUSIC news and not just hip hop. Should be interesting to see what comes out of it though.

TapOut

November 17th, 2004, 7:20 PM

Well, it should have had it's own thread, but that got locked even though it's MUSIC news and not just hip hop. Should be interesting to see what comes out of it though.

I guess Hip-Hop is limited to one thread, while there can be a shitload of grunge, metal and rock threads. It's the first prejudiced forums I've seen....

Anyways, Tupac is dead... his last album should have came out some time ago. Let the man die, PLEASE. The novelty of an album after death is wearing off.

TapOut

November 17th, 2004, 7:24 PM

You are insane.

Encore>SSLP? I am sorry but you need some ex-lax because you are full of crap

correct list:
1.SSLP
2.MMLP
3. Eminem Show
4. encore

The Slim Shady LP was about 3/4 goofy and ignorant songs, and the serious songs were not as in-depth as the ones on MMLP and Eminem show, with the exception of Rock Bottom and If I Had.

BoSox Rule

November 17th, 2004, 7:44 PM

December 14th

Here's the cover
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006IGGLS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
That is a NICE cover. Probably my fourth favorite behind UTEOT, Better Dayz, and AEOM.