Metal Discussion Thread

[Hero!]

I just got goatwhore's album "A haunting curse" and i'm listening to it now. I also just got The Red Chord's "Clients" album and they're both really awesome albums. :D

Hooray for death metal!

[Second City Saint]

I'd go for all the bands Lem listed, well except the last two.

and GNR are known for running hot and cold live.

And I can't stand people who think MOP is a fantastic album, let alone their best album (which it isn't)Ride the Lightning fan? Same here.


Yeah so, I'm seeing Mastodon in May. Have any of you guys seen them before?

[Ringo]

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Yeah, seen them three times. They're ridiculous. I'm sure you'll fucking love it.

[King101]

Slayer are insane live. I've seen them six times, and haven't got on complaint about them. Even people I know who aren't into Slayer have agreed that live they're most definetly an experience.

They played Reading and Leeds because they where doing the Unholy Alliance tour in America at the time of Download. I considered getting a day ticket for the sunday, but £70 was far to much to shell out.

I've always though Slayer were very average live, the first time they seemd good but the two tiems since have been the exactl same show - they just seem to go through the motions and play the exact same show
every year.


I think Download's line-up looks fantastic this year; Maiden are obviously the highlight but it just look like a far more solid line-up than the last two years. The quality of the lower half of the line-up obiously dipped quite a lot when it switched to 3 days from 2 but this year just seems full of strong bands.

On another note, anybody going to Metallica at Wembley Stadium in july? Got my tivkets in the presale on monday and already cant stop thinking about it.

EDIT: I've seen Mastodon 3 times and never been greatly impressed, they've all been support slots so its not really fair to judge them on that but their sound has always been really muddy and doesn't do the songs justice.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Ride the Lightning fan? Same here.


No, Trapped, Scape are blank filler.

[Second City Saint]

No, Trapped, Scape are blank filler.Then what is your favorite/'the best' Metallica album?



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Yeah, seen them three times. They're ridiculous. I'm sure you'll fucking love it. Sweetness. Have you seen them recently? I'd like to know about how much Levithan and Remission they play.

[Ringo]

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I'm pretty sure A_O rates Kill 'Em All highest.

I haven't seen them since the release of Blood Mountain, but I'm guessing they'll play a good deal of Leviathan (Tusk, Thunder, Megalodon for sure) and probably a couple from Remission (They've played Workhorse, MOTFA, Crusher, Nessie and Behemoth at least twice when I've seen them, if my memory serves me correctly).

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Mastodon are sooooo out of date, they're dinosaurs almost.

You know its true.

[Cactus Lem]

I've always though Slayer were very average live, the first time they seemd good but the two tiems since have been the exactl same show - they just seem to go through the motions and play the exact same show
every year.

I think Download's line-up looks fantastic this year; Maiden are obviously the highlight but it just look like a far more solid line-up than the last two years. The quality of the lower half of the line-up obiously dipped quite a lot when it switched to 3 days from 2 but this year just seems full of strong bands.

On another note, anybody going to Metallica at Wembley Stadium in july? Got my tivkets in the presale on monday and already cant stop thinking about it.

EDIT: I've seen Mastodon 3 times and never been greatly impressed, they've all been support slots so its not really fair to judge them on that but their sound has always been really muddy and doesn't do the songs justice.

Really? Everytime I've seen them they've changed the set up just a little, but still got the majority of crowd favourites in. They changed it up big time at Downlaod in 2005, shocked everyone with some of the choices they made. Opening with South of Heaven and then going straight into Silent Scream wasn't something anyone expected.

I got my Metallica tickets last night. So far only me and my brother are going, but I'm hoping a few of my mates decide to get tickets as well. It looks like it's going to be an all day thing as wel, says things start at 2:30, so I can see them having four or five bands in support which should be cool.

[Ringo]

Mastodon are sooooo out of date, they're dinosaurs almost.

You know its true.



:squint:

Mastodon are GROUNDBREAKING.

I got my Metallica tickets last night. So far only me and my brother are going, but I'm hoping a few of my mates decide to get tickets as well. It looks like it's going to be an all day thing as wel, says things start at 2:30, so I can see them having four or five bands in support which should be cool.


I thought about it, but decided not to in the end. I probably would have got a ticket if I hadn't been able to get the Reading Day ticket. I've seen them three times anyway and I'm not particularly into them at the moment. Will probably be pretty immense though, being at Wembley and all.

[Cactus Lem]

Yep, Wembley is part of the inscentive for going.

Was hoping Sints where gonna make it to the Play Off Final as I'd have gone to that, but looks like we've blown that, Metallica makes up for that though.

Will be my fith and my brothers first time of seeing them. Can't wait.

[Second City Saint]

Anyone know who's gonna be at Ozzfest other than Ozzy, Lamb of God, Lordi and Hatebreed? I'm gonna try to go if I can get time off work (considering it's free). It's on a fucking Monday. :irked:

[Nemesis]

:squint:

Mastodon are GROUNDBREAKING.




He was making a pun.


Anyone know who's gonna be at Ozzfest other than Ozzy, Lamb of God, Lordi and Hatebreed? I'm gonna try to go if I can get time off work (considering it's free). It's on a fucking Monday. :irked:


Other than what you just mentioned, nothing great. I think I'll pass this year, free or not. :\

...though it would be kind of interesting to see Lordi.

EDIT: Damn, I just checked the lineup to make sure, and they have Nile and 3 Inches of Blood playing, too? I thought I saw the lineup sucking ass some time before, but it looks like it's split between bands I like and bands I haven't heard yet. I'm eating my shoe here.

I can't go anyway. My two weeks vacation (which I'll see Immortal during) is too close. Damn.

[darkhorse]

Anyone know who's gonna be at Ozzfest other than Ozzy, Lamb of God, Lordi and Hatebreed? I'm gonna try to go if I can get time off work (considering it's free). It's on a fucking Monday. :irked:


Nile, Circus Diablo, The Showdown, Daath, 3 Inches Of Blood, Ankla, Mondo Generator, and a few other bands to be named (one of which I'm almost certain will be Black Label Society).

[blackening]

Thoughts on Amon Amarth anyone?

I'm downloading 'Versus the World' right now.

Also, what do you guys think of Arch Enemy?

I like them, Angela Gossow is pretty hot as well. Does anyone know if she's actually sang before, not growled?

I always wondered if/how good well death/metal vocalists can actually sing, not scream or growl.

[Alex E]

I loooove Arch Enemy. It's like Children of Bodom in that it's really "fun" death metal. If you switched around the vocals, it could definitely lean more towards power metal at points, with catchy songs like Nemesis and Dead Eyes.

I've seen their live show, Angela is a great frontwoman and very charismatic. So if you haven't listened to them, get on it.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I get the feeling I'd catch a disease if I touched Angela.

Kinda like Christina.

[blackening]

I have 'Anthems of Rebellion' and 'Doomsday Machine' and both are solid. I love that I can actually understand the vocals as well. :yes:

[aBBy]

Thoughts on Amon Amarth anyone?

I'm downloading 'Versus the World' right now.

Also, what do you guys think of Arch Enemy?

I like them, Angela Gossow is pretty hot as well. Does anyone know if she's actually sang before, not growled?

I always wondered if/how good well death/metal vocalists can actually sing, not scream or growl.


I love Arch Enemy! Doomsday Machine is a top album but you must also get Wages Of Sin, Thats even more awesome.

Angela's voice is just sick. I honest to god thought it was a guys voice at first and was shocked when I found out it was actually a girl. Crazy.

[Nemesis]

Thoughts on Amon Amarth anyone?

I'm downloading 'Versus the World' right now.

Also, what do you guys think of Arch Enemy?

I like them, Angela Gossow is pretty hot as well. Does anyone know if she's actually sang before, not growled?

I always wondered if/how good well death/metal vocalists can actually sing, not scream or growl.


I like what I've heard of Amon Amarth. The only one I own is The Crusher (Mexican Thor on the cover, ZOMG). Not much from that really, really excites me though, except for Sound of Eight Hooves. That song fucking rules. Sounds like a total war song, but it must be about Odin, so go figure.

I like what I've heard of Arch Enemy. The few songs from Wages of Sin that I've heard are awesome. I have Anthems of Rebellion, and it's not too bad. I need to get Doomsday Machine, though. Nemesis fucking shreds like nothing else (the double bass drums are catchy as hell, too). Their Aces High cover is excellent.

As far as good clean vocals, check out Acid Bath (one of the most underrated bands in the world, IMO). Chthonic also has some good female backing vocals (that chick is as smoking hot as Angela Gossow is, too).

[Ringo]

He was making a pun.




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So was I. :cool:

[blackening]

aBBy, I thought it was a guy singing as well at first.

It sucks that their Aces High cover features their singer before Gossow.

I think the Amott brothers are pretty damn good guitar players.

[aBBy]

Anyone here a fan of My Dying Bride? They're pretty immense. The songs are pretty epic and depressing but I can get really into them depending the mood I'm in.

[Pete Cash]

yeh i love them... at least the older stuff, might listen to it now cause i am depressed :)

[Cactus Lem]

Anyone a fan of Dio era Sabbath?

The coupla songs I've heard are pretty cool, so I was wondering if anyone was able to recommend the best full length Sabbath album from his time with the band?

[Pete Cash]

heaven and hell.

Heaven and Hell might well be the best Sabbath album, and it is certainly the best Dio sabbath album.

[Eggbert Spam]

Best Dio Sabbath album, 9th best Sabbath album overall.

Pete Cash is a queer.

[Bad Obsession]

I have to agree that although Dio is 1000x better than Ozzy as a singer, Ozzy's Sabbath stuff is by far the best.

Are you familiar with Dio's solo stuff, Cactus? Holy Diver and Magica are my personal favourites if you want to check some stuff out. Fantastic albums.

[Tempest]

I fucking LOVE the new song they've done for 'The Dio Years' CD - Ear In The Wall. Bloody awesomeness.

Considering going to see them actually, partly because Iced Earth are supporting, partly because Dio is lord.

[aBBy]

I finally got my hands on Machine Head's latest album - The Blackening.

Its totally awesome. I love it and Im actually not a big Machine Head fan, but I heard good stuff about this and I was not let down.

Epic stuff. I love it! :headbang:

[Alex E]

I think that the reason people aren't into metal is that they haven't heard the new Therion album. Amazing stuff. Every song is solid and has a great vibe. Clear album of 2007. I've been listening to it straight for months and I'm not tired.

[blackening]

I finally got my hands on Machine Head's latest album - The Blackening.

Its totally awesome. I love it and Im actually not a big Machine Head fan, but I heard good stuff about this and I was not let down.

Epic stuff. I love it! :headbang:

told you so :)

I've been listening to Amon Amarth's 'Versus the World' and been really enjoying it. Of course I can't understand all the words, but there's some really good stuff on the album and some awesome drumming.

[Nemesis]

Dont know if anyone here is a fan of Naglfar but I brought there new album today 'Harvest'

Pretty good so far and it comes with a bonus DVD :D

I just heard The Darkest Road on their Myspace page, and it sounds excellent. I still haven't bought one of their albums yet, though I've been meaning to. Where's a good place to start?



Also, the new Dimmu Borgir video is up on Youtube. The Serpentine Offering. Good god, I love this song. I'm really excited to buy this CD now, especially since the song is a step up from Death Cult Armageddon (which wasn't a bad CD, it's just not my personal favorite). And Hellhammer's drumming! I guess this makes up for the new Mayhem song being so boring. At least Attila doesn't sound drunk anymore.

And, I'm a little ashamed to admit that I absolutely love Bullet For My Valentine now. And I heard an Atreyu song the other day that I actually liked. What the hell is happening to me?!? :scared:

[aBBy]

I just heard The Darkest Road on their Myspace page, and it sounds excellent. I still haven't bought one of their albums yet, though I've been meaning to. Where's a good place to start?



Also, the new Dimmu Borgir video is up on Youtube. The Serpentine Offering. Good god, I love this song. I'm really excited to buy this CD now, especially since the song is a step up from Death Cult Armageddon (which wasn't a bad CD, it's just not my personal favorite). And Hellhammer's drumming! I guess this makes up for the new Mayhem song being so boring. At least Attila doesn't sound drunk anymore.

And, I'm a little ashamed to admit that I absolutely love Bullet For My Valentine now. And I heard an Atreyu song the other day that I actually liked. What the hell is happening to me?!? :scared:

I have Bullet For My Valentine's 'The Poison' and Im abit of a fan myself...:ashamed:

NAGLFAR! You must get Pariah. Thats a kick ass album. I love 'And The World Shall Be Your Grave' Never get tired of hearing that song. There latest album is great too but I like Pariah slightly more.

[C-Dic]

I'm going to give the new Shadows Fall album a whirl in a minute here, but I've been listening to Dimmu Borgir's "Death Cult Armageddon" so often..it'll be hard to take out of the player.

[blackening]

I downloaded Amon Amarth's new album, 'With Oden on Our Side.' I've listened to it about three full times through.

It's not quite as heavy as 'Versus the World.' It's more melodic and there's some solos as well. I do however love that vocals aren't as "harsh" and I can make out all the words. It's not as good as 'Versus the World' but still a good album.

[Pete Cash]

I quite liked Amon Amarth back in the day so I might download it myself

[Nemesis]

Dammit, my department at work all got a $100 bonus per person, and I just blew $40 of it at the record store. Should've put it toward my credit card bill instead. I was looking for that used signed copy of Mayhem that I spotted last time (which they don't have anymore) to give to my sister, and I got carried away. :grumpy:

Four albums:
Trivium - The Crusade (they had all 3, so I chose the cheapest one)
In Flames - Soundtrack to Your Escape (I've been coming around to their newer stuff)
Bullet For My Valentine - Hand of Blood (now I have both of their CDs)
Marduk - La Grande Danse Macabre (parentheses)

That new Dimmu Borgir will have to wait a while...

[blackening]

Didn't really like 'The Crusade' at all, do you have In Flames - Come Clarity?

I could upload it Pete.

Anyone listen to Into Eternity? I heard one of their songs on Headbanger's Ball and thought it was good. Are they worth checking out?

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Opeth suck. Boring long prog songs which aren't progressive but just slow and should be put to death. They're certainly no dream theater.

And Black Metal is for pansies. It's all shouty nonsense with pointless guitars going like Dragonforce. And the lack of melody is because they're all to insecure to show it since they think it would be unmanly.


Death metal sucks. It's just bland one dimensional stuff.


Music should have melody and harmony. No wonder you guys can't get girlfriends (yes that means you too Tempest & aBBy).

[Pete Cash]

oh come on... that is like going fishing with a baked ham on the end of your hook. ;)

although what you say about opeth is true :D (cept i dont like dream theater either)

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Well explain to me why the darker bands do have bits in songs with just constant hitting/riffing without the melody and harmony? It's just noise rather than music. It's annoying and just shouty.

[Bad Obsession]

Opeth are amazing you fools. Very few metal bands have had the impact on me that they have. Sure, the newer stuff is a bit eh, but the older material is cracking. They're awesome because they don't just stick with the black metal, there's hints of all kinds of different genres in there. They define what a good metal band is for me: The know how to make loud and bad ass music, but they're not afraid to try something a bit different. Very few metal vocalists switch between screaming and clean like Mikael does.

It's just too much for you. Stick with the camp power metal. ;)

I'm listening to the new Novembers Doom album at the moment. Not sure what to make of it. Think it will be a grower.
Edit: Also, had a taster of the new Woods of Ypres album the other day, it sounds MINDBLOWING. When that thing finally comes out it will be album of the year contender for sure. :yes:

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Opeth are no better than Exodus or any other 2nd tier metal act.

I'm not all power metal you do realise? I prolly haven't posted a legitimate opinion on my metal taste in about a year.

fucking stupid dave, that was meant to be a neg-rep.... ah poop.

[Bad Obsession]

Do so now. :p I've seldom seen you post about anything that wasn't powerish at the very least.

Not that I don't like a bit of power metal now and again. :)

[Pete Cash]

opeth is a bad death metal album put into a blender with a copy of master of puppets.

Opeth are shitty because they dont have good riffs, there are better progressive bands out there and there are certainly harder rocking groups. I mean if the riff sucks in the first place then why do I want to hear it dragged out for 10 minutes.

Also the vocal style isn't all that difficult.

[Bad Obsession]

I didn't say it was difficult, I just said it was a nice touch. Variation is always good with metal.

There's some damn good guitar work in there, come on. I'm not saying they're king of the classic riff makers, but I can certainly rock out to them.

And Aussie I appreciate that, because I'd probably be on like 10 rep power now if you got it right. :p

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Recently I've moved into more of a 80's Rock mindset with Zep, Boston, Cheap Trick dominating my playlist.

I still like Power and find Blind Guardian overrated ;)
I love 80's glam with Crue, Cinderella, Ratt, Dokken, Def Lep
I like the main thrash acts
Melo-death is absolutely fine with me
Most prog acts from Spock's Beard to Symphony X to Dream Theater to Porcupine Tree get a fair bit of play.
And of course you can't have metal with Irons and Priest and Sabbath.

hah calling me power. It's just that black/death seem to be the main topics which arent my weapons of choice and that I find myself listening to a bit of non-metal as well as a plethora of talkback/OTR which isn't even music.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

There's some damn good guitar work in there, come on. I'm not saying they're king of the classic riff makers, but I can certainly rock out to them.

I can't because it takes 5 minutes to get to the good riff and then they play it twice, have another 5 minutes of filler and finally play it a third time. It's annoying. It's like dragging a 4 minute song over 12 minutes. It's worse filler than the Blaze era Maiden albums.

[Pete Cash]

he only likes power metal that is REALLY FUCKING HAPPY.

I like agalloch

[Aussie_Outlaw]

he only likes power metal that is REALLY FUCKING HAPPY.

I like agalloch

And you only like music that has fantasy elements because that's the only place you can score with girls.... IN YOUR FANTASIES.

[Bad Obsession]

Gah! Glam. That's even worse. :p

Yeah you have a pretty varied taste like me. Glad to see you like thrash. :yes: Can't say I see the appeal of melodic death though, it just seems boring compared to proper death metal. You need melody, so I understand it for you, I just don't have any problem whatsoever with the normal stuff.

Also folk metal destroys every metal genre you can think of. Just throwing that out there. >_>

[Bad Obsession]

I like agalloch
Then I like you. :heart:

[Aussie_Outlaw]

What the fuck is folk metal? Do they play a piccolo and a ukulele and sing about the middle ages and how to cross-hatch your hut?

Real music has melody and harmony. Death Metal has neither. It's just rah rah rah, thrash thrash thrash. Repetitive nonsense :p

Glam is fine if you take it as fun nonsense which it is.

[Pete Cash]

And you only like music that has fantasy elements because that's the only place you can score with girls.... IN YOUR FANTASIES.

If I am listening to metal I want good fast riffs or stuff like agalloch or orphaned land. (that is good folk metal)

What I don't want is stuff like edguy, i would probably catch homosexuality from those albums.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

If I am listening to metal I want good fast riffs or stuff like agalloch or orphaned land. (that is good folk metal)

What I don't want is stuff like edguy, i would probably catch homosexuality from those albums.

Bah, half my problem is I'm still yet to hear anything I like from scenes I'm barely exposed to. I'm sure there's something I like, but I'll play in my ignorance and rubbish you since I'm yet to hear anything. Well except the straight death/black bands which I know I don't like.

[Bad Obsession]

Folk metal is awesome. It's such a varied and open genre, mixing various elements of metal (mostly black, death and just general heavy) with traditional folk music. Check out some bands like Agalloch, Ulver, Windir and Isengard. :yes:

Black and Death are just different concepts of music. It's not for everyone, certainly, but if you can find the right stuff then it's awesome. If you don't like it then I don't think anything I can say can convince you otherwise, it's a love/hate thing, it just appeals to me. And no, that's not because I just want to like elite and think I'm a bad motherfucker. ;)

I used to dig Crue when I was like 11. Good times. Would rather listen to pure pop than glam these days, though.

[Bad Obsession]

Aussie if you want me to zip a collection of shit for you I'll happily do it. :) Maybe I can convert you into folk or something.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I don't mind 80's pop either. :p It's fun at parties and such.

I'll go listen to Pete's myspace.

I'll only take your zip if its lightish rather than heavy death. But rocky if you know what i mean.

[Pete Cash]

i think i have the crooked fiddle band up on my myspace and they are sorta a gypsy group not a folk metal group.

[Bad Obsession]

Aye, I won't shove any black/death stuff on there. Give us a bit. :yes:

[Aussie_Outlaw]

You had orphaned land last time i checked. :(

I'm going to bed soon anyway so I'll most likely get it tomorrow.

[Pete Cash]

Yeah I did... it was a pretty song too. I change a fair bit ;)

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Opeth still suck. Well they were good but they then released Orchid and everything from then was downhil. (they were only good before Orchid)

he does need to learn to cut the fat from his songs though. If he stops trying to write epics and actually just wrote 4-7min songs it'd be fine.

[Bad Obsession]

Orchid is my favourite album. You know nothing!

Uploading now. 120mb though so that'll be a good 30mins at least methinks.

[Bad Obsession]

Woops. Forgot I was uploading it. Here it is:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NJSZO1G3

Very mixed bag. Bit of everything. Tried to pick bands I didn't think you would've heard before, but if you have then :yes: anyway. I'm suspecting you may know a few as they're not that obscure. If you don't like one, odds are the next will be the complete opposite so give them all a listen.

Winds - What Is Beauty
Frantic Bleep - The Expulsion
Novembers Doom - Autumn Reflection
Destroyer 666 - Phoenix Rising
Borknagar - Oceans Rise
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - 1997
Neurosis - The Last You'll Know
Woods of Ypres - Summer's Envy
Agalloch - In The Shadow of Our Pale Companion
Isis - Carry
Sculptured - Above the 60th Parallel
Ulver - It Is Not Sound
Voivod - Dognation

:)

[blackening]

Opeth suck. Boring long prog songs which aren't progressive but just slow and should be put to death. They're certainly no dream theater.

And Black Metal is for pansies. It's all shouty nonsense with pointless guitars going like Dragonforce. And the lack of melody is because they're all to insecure to show it since they think it would be unmanly.


Death metal sucks. It's just bland one dimensional stuff.


Music should have melody and harmony. No wonder you guys can't get girlfriends (yes that means you too Tempest & aBBy).
Didn't really like Opeth from the few songs I heard of them.

I agree with you about black and death metal.

I love melodic death metal - Amon Amarth, In Flames, Arch Enemy...

I really like Blind Guardian, but that's the only power metal I've really listened to a lot.

[aBBy]

Opeth suck. Boring long prog songs which aren't progressive but just slow and should be put to death. They're certainly no dream theater.

And Black Metal is for pansies. It's all shouty nonsense with pointless guitars going like Dragonforce. And the lack of melody is because they're all to insecure to show it since they think it would be unmanly.


Death metal sucks. It's just bland one dimensional stuff.


Music should have melody and harmony. No wonder you guys can't get girlfriends (yes that means you too Tempest & aBBy).

But Black/Death metal is the shit! Hey I dont care what anyone says, this along with Thrash and Melodic Metal is my favourite. I dont really like Power metal much at all. Ive had friends trying to get me into Opeth but I couldnt really get into them. Nevermore however Im a big fan of.

Ive gotten the verbal slagging by everyone for the music I listen to, but this is the music that makes me happy and excited so nothing anyone says will make me change my mind, however crap they think it is.

At the moment Im listening to some old school Metallica (Ride The Lightning) This is the band that got me into the music I love today. Oh yeh! :headbang:

[Nemesis]

Didn't really like 'The Crusade' at all, do you have In Flames - Come Clarity?

I could upload it Pete.



Yeah, the new Trivium had to kind of grow on me. I have Come Clarity, but I only like Take This Life, Pacing Death's Trail, and Vaccum. Maybe another song, too. Sometimes new In Flames sounds really good. I just have to be in the right mood or something.

[Nemesis]

Also, black and death both rule, so suck it, Outlaw. :p

I admit, I just like the sheer chaos of death metal. Especially the really great technical bands, like Decapitated (Organic Hallucinosis has some brilliant songs), Nile, and Necrophagist.

But...no melody in black metal? Bands like Nokturnal Mortum, Dissection (especially Where Dead Angels Lie), newer Immortal (especially At the Heart of Winter...that is the melodic Immortal album), Enslaved, Burzum, etc., have some decent melodies. And yeah, there are other bands that are pretty much devoid of melody, like Marduk and Maniac Butcher. :\ The thing I don't like about black metal is how some bands just try to outdo everyone else in terms of blasphemy, notoriety, etc. I'm glad nobody burns churches or kills each other anymore. :p

I don't mind the vocals of both genres too much...it's more a matter of tolerating them than liking them at first. I'm not much of a lyrics guy, anyway.

But yeah, I never liked Opeth.

[aBBy]

Yeah, the new Trivium had to kind of grow on me. I have Come Clarity, but I only like Take This Life, Pacing Death's Trail, and Vaccum. Maybe another song, too. Sometimes new In Flames sounds really good. I just have to be in the right mood or something.

The Crusade was an okay album, but there best stuff was definetly from Ascendancy and Ember To Inferno. I like how they keep changing there style. They have been ripped for copying Metallica but screw the critics, these guys are awesome.

I really like Come Clarity especially 'Take This Life' and 'Versus Terminus'. I could listen to In Flames all day and not get sick of it. There early stuff is still there best.


Also, black and death both rule, so suck it, Outlaw. :p

I admit, I just like the sheer chaos of death metal. Especially the really great technical bands, like Decapitated (Organic Hallucinosis has some brilliant songs), Nile, and Necrophagist.

But...no melody in black metal? Bands like Nokturnal Mortum, Dissection (especially Where Dead Angels Lie), newer Immortal (especially At the Heart of Winter...that is the melodic Immortal album), Enslaved, Burzum, etc., have some decent melodies. And yeah, there are other bands that are pretty much devoid of melody, like Marduk and Maniac Butcher. :\ The thing I don't like about black metal is how some bands just try to outdo everyone else in terms of blasphemy, notoriety, etc. I'm glad nobody burns churches or kills each other anymore. :p

I don't mind the vocals of both genres too much...it's more a matter of tolerating them than liking them at first. I'm not much of a lyrics guy, anyway.

But yeah, I never liked Opeth.

DISSECTION! :hyper: I love these guys. Another band I can listen to all day and never tire from it. Storm Of The Lights Bane and The Somberlain rank high on my favourite albums of all tme.

[blackening]

Yeah, the new Trivium had to kind of grow on me. I have Come Clarity, but I only like Take This Life, Pacing Death's Trail, and Vaccum. Maybe another song, too. Sometimes new In Flames sounds really good. I just have to be in the right mood or something.
I gave up on the new Trivium album and tossed the CD I burned.

I really like Come Clarity. I asked if you had it since you mentioned buying Soundtrack to Your Escape. So do you think Soundtrack to Your Escape is better than Come Clarity?

I've heard a few songs from STYE and Reroute to Remain, and The Quiet Place got me hooked on In Flames, but they have nothing on the old stuff and Come Clarity.

What do you think of the song the Quiet Place from STYE?

[aBBy]

Come Clarity in my opinion is much better than STYE.

I dont dislike STYE, but this is probably one of there weaker albums but I like this much more than Reroute To Remain.

The Quiet Place is a decent song. Catchy and it grew on me pretty quick along with My Sweet Shadow but these songs dont compare to there other earlier stuff which I hope you have heard aswell.

If you havent, then I suggest you try and grab 'Jester Race', 'Whoracle' and 'Colony' This is there best stuff!

[Adamy]

Mystic Forest is a good band.

[Nemesis]

DISSECTION! :hyper: I love these guys. Another band I can listen to all day and never tire from it. Storm Of The Lights Bane and The Somberlain rank high on my favourite albums of all tme.

So how does The Somberlain compare to Storm of the Light's Bane? I saw it on sale once, but I think I picked something else up instead. :\



I really like Come Clarity. I asked if you had it since you mentioned buying Soundtrack to Your Escape. So do you think Soundtrack to Your Escape is better than Come Clarity?

I've heard a few songs from STYE and Reroute to Remain, and The Quiet Place got me hooked on In Flames, but they have nothing on the old stuff and Come Clarity.

What do you think of the song the Quiet Place from STYE?

I'd say I personally like Sountrack better, surprisingly. I thought the songs would be written more like the Reroute to Remain album (and I hated that one at first). I think there are more standout songs from Come Clarity, but Soundtrack has better consistency.

I do love Quiet Place. I was hooked the first time I heard it. Absolutely love that one.

But yeah, I agree with aBBy's idea of checking out their older stuff, too. The Jester Race at the very least. It has Moonshield on there, and to me that's the greatest song they've ever made.

[aBBy]

So how does The Somberlain compare to Storm of the Light's Bane? I saw it on sale once, but I think I picked something else up instead. :\

The Somberlain is awesome from start to finish. I even love the little guitar solo songs, especially Crimson Towers.

Its pretty similar to Storm of The Lights Bane, but the songs arent as long.

Nights Blood (Which is from Storm) is my favourite song of theres. Godly - I love it! :hyper:

[Alex E]

"ProgPower USA has announced a surprise headline set for this year’s sold-out edition of the internationally renowned festival. Saturday night will now finish with an all-star cover set featuring vocalists from both the showcase and the festival. Each vocalist will be given the opportunity to perform 1-2 cover songs of their choice with the music being provided by the members of Pagan’s Mind. Additional guests will join them throughout the set.

“The fans have made this festival a success and it’s time to give something back to them. I wanted to announce this after the sell-out as a reward instead of in advance as an incentive. It’s going to be one hell of a party on stage” said Promoter Glenn Harveston"
---------------------------
"Those who have followed FIREWIND's career since the early days, know that
our first singer was Stephen Fredrick. I actually never met him during
recording or writing sessions and we never did a show with him. Yet our
first 2 albums are very special and Stephen's performances on "Between
Heaven & Hell" and "Burning Earth" now have a legendary reputation.

Stephen also happens to live in Atlanta. That's where our last stop on our
US tour will be at the famous (and now sold out!) ProgPower festival.

We thought we'd put something special together for ProgPower and I can
confirm to you here and now that Stephen will join us on stage on October
6th for the first time ever to perform some FIREWIND tunes from the first 2
albums!!

We're all very excited about this as this is a "once in a lifetime" reunion
with our former singer.

See u all soon!
Gus."

:hyper:

So we have Freak Kitchen, Vanden Plas, Cellador, Communic, Raintime, Firewind, Virgin Steele, Redemption, Threshold, Primal Fear, Pagan's Mind, After Forever and Sonata Arctica this year. Not the fest's best lineup ever, but all this stuff is damn good.

[Tempest]

Wow, that's fucking awesome about Fredrick. He was my favourite Firewind singer n' all :yes:

[blackening]

But yeah, I agree with aBBy's idea of checking out their older stuff, too. The Jester Race at the very least. It has Moonshield on there, and to me that's the greatest song they've ever made.
I know, I have Jester Race, Whoracle, Colony, Clayman, and Come Clarity, I was just asking what you thought of Come Clarity and STYE.

I agree, I think The Jester Race is the best. Moonsheild is probably the best song.

[Alex E]

Matt Barlow, formerly of Iced Earth, is back into metal. He'll be singing for Pyramaze. Such random awesomeness.

[Tempest]

Isn't he the one who became a copper?

[Ringo]

..

Indeed he is. Guess he got tired of that.

Good to hear though.

[discipline of revenge]

Pestilence was a damn good band . Shame they stopped making music .

[Nemesis]

Saw Type O Negative this past weekend. Awesome show, on their part anyway. I missed Brand New Sin, and Celtic Frost sucked balls. Good times.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

All Blind Guardian songs are too samey if they're after Imaginations. They're like Creed and Nickleback in that they only have one song which they continually rewrite.

[Pete Cash]

pfft back under the bridge with you

[Alex E]

All Blind Guardian songs are too samey if they're after Imaginations. They're like Creed and Nickleback in that they only have one song which they continually rewrite.

Find similarities between battlefield, fly, and nightfall. I DARE YOU

[Ringo]

I've decided that Battlefield is effectively the greatest song of all time. It's absolutely ridiculous and I struggle to understand how it is possible.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Find similarities between battlefield, fly, and nightfall. I DARE YOU

They're all played by Blind Guardian.


I WIN!


I like this game.

[Pete Cash]

just ignore outlaw he is just trolling trolling trolling me

[Tempest]

Bzzt for those of you who like it, the new ALLEN/LANDE album has been leaked.

The last one could be a touch bland, but I really got into it over time. I am downloading AS WE SPEAK

And I thought i'd have to wait for Symph X for NEW RUSSELL ALLEN.

...I am quite excited.

[Ringo]

..

Talking of Symphony X, they're supposed to have posted the tracklist and album artwork on the site by now. Oh well, at least we FINALLY have a release date..

Paradise Lost the next Chinese Democracy? :chin:

[Tempest]

Oooh new Candlemass leaked, too.

T'is a good day metally.

This Allen/Lande thing is rather weak so far, hoping it's going to pick up (4 tracks in)

Editz:
Very samey (With bits in songs exactly the same as the last), which would be fine if it was nearly as catchy as the last album and it's a bit of a lame use of Allen. It may grow on me some, but it's a let down

Aw, poo, I didn't realise Messiah Marcolin had left again :(

[Cactus Lem]

I have a strange love for Allen and Lande's 'The Battle', catchy and really cheesy stuff.

[Tempest]

Well it's the same kind of style, so you might like the new one. But i'm not sure that it's got the nice catchiness of the last one

...Okay, so it's really growing on me

[Ms. Morningstar]

Pestilence was a damn good band . Shame they stopped making music .

Oh yes, Consuming Impulse is probably my favorite death metal album, and one of my favorite albums ever overall.

[Nemesis]

Wow, I've never actually heard of Pestilence. I'll have to check them out.

I still need to check out that Gorguts CD that was given to me. Everyone seems to love them, but I haven't really wanted to listen to it so far.

[Adamy]

I admit, I just like the sheer chaos of death metal. Especially the really great technical bands, like Decapitated (Organic Hallucinosis has some brilliant songs), Nile, and Necrophagist.

I'm the same way about grindcore. I used to love how Orchid would name-check Nietzsche in their lyrics, because I feel that he might've appreciated the Dionysian effect of the music.

[Cactus Lem]

I saw Hatebreed last night for the sixth time at the Camden Barfly. 200 capacity venue and it was rammed to the max, just an insane show.

I don't think I've ever felt so scared at a show before though, there where fights all over the place. One guy got completley battered right in front of my face, was fucking horrible, and the guys in the pit just didn't give a damn about anyone around them. I was stood on the edge of the pit for about 30 seconds, and I got kicked in the gut and winded a little, the guy just ranodmly spun his leg around and connected with me for no reason whatsoever. I then moved back a bit, and some other guy just dived from the pit into everyone stood around the pit, and I got an elbow to the head for my troubles.

They opened the show by playing the whole of their first album, Satisfaction is the Death of Desire, all the way through, and it seemed that it was the old skool Hardcore fans that where causing all the mayhem. Once they finished playing the album, things settled down a bit, and the old skool guys seemed to settle down and not get so violent. I felt safer by this point, and for the last few songs, I was basically on the stage. St one point I was pushed so far towards the stage with people launcing themselves at Jamey Jasta, that I ended up actually on-stage in front of the Bassist. He didn't seem to happy, and gave me a push, with me falling into one of the amps. I didn't wanna stage dive, so I eneded up just sat on the amp for the last part of I will Be Heard.

Awesome, but totally freaky show.

[aBBy]

I was going to go to a Hatebreed conccert when they came to Australia not that long ago, but Im not that big of a fan.

They're abit too hardcore for me and there songs are just abit too short.

Stonesour are coming down in a couple of weeks and I was meant to go but I have other plans that night. Its a shame :(

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Did you go and see Lamb of God on Friday night aBBy?

[aBBy]

Nooooo but that was another concert I wanted to go too but noone wanted to go with me :(

[Pete Cash]

I would go with you chum but i live so far away :)

[Bad Obsession]

I saw Hatebreed last night for the sixth time at the Camden Barfly. 200 capacity venue and it was rammed to the max, just an insane show.

I don't think I've ever felt so scared at a show before though, there where fights all over the place. One guy got completley battered right in front of my face, was fucking horrible, and the guys in the pit just didn't give a damn about anyone around them. I was stood on the edge of the pit for about 30 seconds, and I got kicked in the gut and winded a little, the guy just ranodmly spun his leg around and connected with me for no reason whatsoever. I then moved back a bit, and some other guy just dived from the pit into everyone stood around the pit, and I got an elbow to the head for my troubles.

They opened the show by playing the whole of their first album, Satisfaction is the Death of Desire, all the way through, and it seemed that it was the old skool Hardcore fans that where causing all the mayhem. Once they finished playing the album, things settled down a bit, and the old skool guys seemed to settle down and not get so violent. I felt safer by this point, and for the last few songs, I was basically on the stage. St one point I was pushed so far towards the stage with people launcing themselves at Jamey Jasta, that I ended up actually on-stage in front of the Bassist. He didn't seem to happy, and gave me a push, with me falling into one of the amps. I didn't wanna stage dive, so I eneded up just sat on the amp for the last part of I will Be Heard.

Awesome, but totally freaky show.
:lol: Sounds just like the Cardiff Barfly. I get battered everytime I go to a gig there. Fantastic fun though. :)

I've just been watching the video for a song off the upcoming Woods of Ypres album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mhutqumIH8
Not sure what to make of it thus far. It's quite different from their last album, which was very folk/black orientated.

Still can't wait for the album though. I've had it pre-ordered for months now.

[Tempest]

Woo, new Iced Earth and Iron Savior leaked - Anyone heard yet

Also Jorn Lande is going to be singing on the new Avantasia

[Pete Cash]

you have to send me both

not avantasia though what a stinker that will be ;)

[Tempest]

I hope Hansi signs up and then we will see the tables turn oh yes, then we will see them turn.

Hopefully into a giant sword that slices your head off

[Pete Cash]

hehe nah avantasia is cool i was listening to part 1 yesterday and im about to put part 2 on

[Ringo]

When you say Iced Earth do you mean the entire album or just 'Ten Thousand Strong'?

[Tempest]

Overture Of The Wicked EP, so yeah that's one of the four.

[Tempest]

ALSO, the new Blind Guardian single for Another Stranger Me is fantastic

Guardian camp over!!! Dream A Little Dream Of Me - It's Mr Sandman good, too

[Aussie_Outlaw]

ALSO, the new Blind Guardian single for Another Stranger Me is fantastic

Guardian camp over!!! Dream A Little Dream Of Me - It's Mr Sandman good, too

May be because it's a cover.

[Pete Cash]

troll troll troll troll troll

[aBBy]

Anyone heard Dimmu Borger's new album, and if so is it worth getting?

I need some new music people :)

[Pete Cash]

new symphony x has been leaked... i discovered it dont let tempest tell you otherwise.

:D

[Tempest]

:lol: Fuck you mate

I discovered Shadow Gallery

[Pete Cash]

i quite like this album so far.

its quite heavy for symphony x

[Tempest]

I really like it. But it is taking some getting used to...

[Nemesis]

Anyone heard Dimmu Borger's new album, and if so is it worth getting?

I need some new music people :)

I bought it last Friday. Besides The Serpentine Offering, the songs can be kind of boring or something. I don't know, maybe it just needs to grow on me.

[aBBy]

Yeh I know, its not one of there best I must say. I do however love the bonuses you get with it. Is that a mirror inside aswell? Looks awesome :)

[Ringo]

I'm loving Paradise Lost, and I'm only up to 'The Serpent's Kiss'.

Fucking hell I've missed the Russell.

[Tempest]

Tell me about it.

It's different, but it's a beast of an album. Eyes Of Seduction is what i've listened to most I think

GROWLY Allen is lovely. I think I prefered it when it was GROWL for his solo and CLEAR for the band, but this is such a natural progression for them. I do find myself begging for a good soaring Allen line here and there though

[cactusmaac]

Good album although it will need a few listens to really sink in and I've yet to play it really LOUD and driving VERY fast.

The remake of A Tout Le Monde seems a bit pointless though. Washington Is Next is f*****g awesome.

[blackening]

What do you think of 'The System Has Failed'? I think it's pretty good, I quite like Die Dead Enough, The Scorpion, and Of Mice and Men.

[Ringo]

Look I'm sure it's great and all blackening, but can we PLEASE keep discussion to Paradise Lost and only Paradise Lost.

It's a bit good you know.

[Alex E]

haven't listened to the new SX yet, but I doubt anything will overtake Therion for album of 2007...

[Tempest]

Oh I don't know, Symphony X is really, really good.

Granted, you could say i'm slightly biased, but given that they've gone darker once again I think it's brilliant.

[Ringo]

I'd agree. Gothic Kabbalah is fucking brilliant, but I honestly prefer Paradise Lost at the moment. It's just glorious.

[cactusmaac]

What do you think of 'The System Has Failed'? I think it's pretty good, I quite like Die Dead Enough, The Scorpion, and Of Mice and Men.

I liked it. Much better than Cryptic Writings, Risk and The World Needs A Hero. Favourite track was Back In The Day.

[Cactus Lem]

What do you think of 'The System Has Failed'? I think it's pretty good, I quite like Die Dead Enough, The Scorpion, and Of Mice and Men.

I think it's a great album, probably my third favourite Megadeth album after Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.

I think some of Mustaine's personal lyrical content reflecting on his life is bloody awesome, and his guitar work takes a return to form.

I dunno what to make of the new Symphony X, I've had a couple of listens, but just can't get into it.

I think my tastes may be changing a little if I'm honest, as over the last few months I've not listened to anywhere near as much metal as I have done in previous years. I've also found myself really not digging any newly discovered metal/prog/power bands I've been told to listen to in recent months :(

[blackening]

I liked it. Much better than Cryptic Writings, Risk and The World Needs A Hero. Favourite track was Back In The Day.
I have a burned copy of Risk and about the only song I liked was Crush 'Em.

I downloading Paradise Lost to see what all the hype is about. Don't remember even hearing a Symphony X song before though I've heard of them.

Thoughts on the new Ozzy's 'Black Rain' album released yesterday?

From Wikipedia:

Ozzy has stated that this is the first album he has recorded sober.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Risk is a wonderful album. It's not a metal album though.

TSHF falls apart at the back end and gets progressively worse as it goes along.


And Cryptic Writings is a wonderful album although it is a commercial metal/rock album and does it well.


TWINE is beautiful.


I'm downloading the new one and I'll rate Dave and friends soon enough placing it where it should be. He always seems to release albums around my birthday.

[blackening]

I've downloaded and listened to Symphony X's Paradise Lost a few times and think it's very good. Still have to listen to it a few times though to decide what I really think of it, but really good so far. I like the vocal style, there's some awesome guitar work and I really like 'Set the World on Fire'.

[Tempest]

Russell Allen is freakishly good. I still think I prefer his cleaner vocals, but that's not to make out it's by a huge margin. The way he's been singing the last couple of years is fantastic aswell, i'll take either way he wants to sing really - This'll probably preserve his voice longer too i'd imagine so even better.

Paradise Lost took me a few listens to really get into. I'd expected darker from them, but even so it's an adjustment. But a good one - They've shown their ability to grow and progress and stay brilliant. Now i'm completely in love with it, it's a very good album..i'd put it up there with their best

[blackening]

I have to say I really like songs Oculus ex Inferni, Eve of Seduction, and Seven.

What do you think of the song Paradise Lost, Tempest?

That's kinda weird that they have three guys named 'Michael' in the band.

Do their previous albums sound similar to this?

[Tempest]

I love the title track - The raw emotion you hear in Allens voice towards the end has the hair on my arms standing on end. I honestly don't think there's a song on there I dislike. I've not gotten THAT into Revelation yet though.

Well, they do and they don't. They've gotten progressively darker sounding over the years to where they are now (Has a lot to do with a former band mates leaving and their moving away from the neoclassical elements more and more). But they've got a pretty distinct sound anyway so it's not this was a complete shift or anything - I'd probably recommend working your way back through the catalogue if you like the new album. But I love The Divine Wings so much that I can't not plug it :p

Just heard the new Nightwish song (properly) - The new singers a decent choice, sounds like a couple of other women really. But a ballad for their re-debut may not have been the best choice I think.

[cactusmaac]

Could somebody recommend a good Isis album to start off with?

I like Red Sparowes a lot and the tracks on Isis's Myspace page are allright so I figure I'll spend a few £ on them.

[aBBy]

*bump*

I need some new melodic/death metal so any recommendations would be great!

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Bon Jovi or Poison.

[aBBy]

Dave you didnt answer my question! :mad: Oh but you hate that kind of metal so fair enough...

Never was a Poison fan to be honest, so definetly Bon Jovi!

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I don't actually, I just like being a spoilsport.

umm all the normal ones like IF, AE, Soilw, ATG, CoB etc :p

[aBBy]

In Flames..Arch Enemy..Soilwork..At The Gates..Children of Bodom.

All those bands are high up there for me so I'm impressed :)

Now I want some more to murder my ears...

[Cactus Lem]

Anyone heard the new Dream Theater album yet?

[Tempest]

Yeah, one of the songs made me think I was listening to Linkin Park. But I really don't like them so my views on it are bound to be tainted with mehity.

Sounds like all the prog bands are trying to sound a little harder this time round, but Dream Theaters attempt is definately behind Symphony X and Thresholds in my view.

[Cactus Lem]

Hmmm, I'll give it a listen, not getting my hopes up though.

[blackening]

*bump*

I need some new melodic/death metal so any recommendations would be great!
Amon Amarth - Versus the World

Love the album and I've listened to it a ridiculous amount of times as I play it everytime I'm driving.

:yes:

[aBBy]

Who here from the UK is going to the Black Crusade concert?

Lineup: TRIVIUM, MACHINE HEAD, ARCH ENEMY & DRAGONFORCE

I dont care much for Dragonforce but that is a really good lineup! Ive already seen Trivium but I wouldnt mind seeing them again :) and Ive always wanted to hear Arch Enemy live and damn Machine Head will be awesome live I'm sure.

Dammit..Why couldnt this come to Oz? :(

[aBBy]

I think Unearth are coming back to Australia. I wouldnt mind going to there concert so I might try and check them out.

Anyone else going to any upcoming gigs?

[Cactus Lem]

Who here from the UK is going to the Black Crusade concert?

Lineup: TRIVIUM, MACHINE HEAD, ARCH ENEMY & DRAGONFORCE

I dont care much for Dragonforce but that is a really good lineup! Ive already seen Trivium but I wouldnt mind seeing them again :) and Ive always wanted to hear Arch Enemy live and damn Machine Head will be awesome live I'm sure.

Dammit..Why couldnt this come to Oz? :(

I think I'll probably go to that. I've seen all four of the bands before, the two times I've seen Machine Head they where absolutley amazing fun, Trivium are always a bit hit and miss, seem to live up to the big time (Donnington especially), Arch Enemy where immense when I saw that at Download, and Dragonforce where alright. Should be a good night.

[cactusmaac]

I think Unearth are coming back to Australia. I wouldnt mind going to there concert so I might try and check them out.

Anyone else going to any upcoming gigs?

Be seeing Megadeth on Sat.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Wtf.

Corey Taylor is the rumour for the new Anthrax singer. Ok that's just weird.


"It's been banded about. I'm not saying anything right now because all it's been is just talked about. Obviously, I'm really good friends with those guys. It kind of started as a joke. And then the more we talked about it, the more serious it got. I'm gonna at least help them out. It's kind of a dream come true — ANTHRAX is one of my favorite bands. We're just kind of taking baby steps right now. I know that we worked on about eight or nine songs together that I've written lyrics for, and there was a song that I had actually written for them that I was just gonna give them the music for, and once this kind of happened, I had to turn around and write lyrics for it myself. But there's nothing definite right now. It's one of those things where it's like we're just gonna kind of play it by ear and just see what happens. So there's nothing definite. It's something that we're talking about — it's something that we kind of wanna do. But I'm in two huge bands right now. So it's like I barely get enough time to sleep, let alone do another band. . . I'm gonna be busy, period. I'm just kind of honored that they would even consider me. These are people that I grew up listening to, these are guys that I had the privilege of getting to know on a real basis. To have them look at me and go, 'You know what? We would love to work with you,' it's such a huge compliment. It kind of makes me feel like I've come a long way in my life."

[Tempest]

Corey Taylor is a guilty pleasure. It'll be interesting to see how that works out

[Cactus Lem]

That would be a bit shit.

Why doesn't John Bush wanna return?

Also, just listening to the new Dream Theater album, and it's kind of bland.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

He doesn't feel it's "right" for him to return to Anthrax. He's moved on.

[aBBy]

Corey Taylor? Does that mean there will be no more Stone Sour too? Not happy!

[King101]

Stone Sour is done come august/september anyway, new Slipnkot album starts recording around december I believe.

Corey is a top frontman in my eyes but not really Anthrax material, you never know though if he can find a mid-point between Slipknot's nu-metal screaming and Stone Sour's balladry it could work.

[Bad Obsession]

Anyone watch the Maiden stream from this years Download? It's on basically every torrent tracker if not. It's not their best show ever but pretty damn good nevertheless.
There was one GLORIOUS moment from it that I had to shove on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtVn1noYdEw

:rofl: If ever more proof was needed that Bruce is one of greatest guys in metal ever, there you have it. Love it.

[blackening]

Corey Taylor? Does that mean there will be no more Stone Sour too? Not happy!
They put on a good show when I saw them play on the Music As a Weapon Tour. The new album is a shit, but I used to the love the first album a few years back.

I've downloaded Dream Theater's 'Train of Thought' and 'Octavarium'. Haven't really listened to 'Octavarium' yet but I'm really liking 'Train of Thought'.

[Nemesis]

Corey Taylor? How many kicks to the balls are they going to give John Bush?

Eh, I'm just still pissed that he's not singing for them. He's easily one of my favorite vocalists, and I thought he worked well for them. Just love the guy's voice. Maybe we'll hear some more Armored Saint stuff? :hic:

Man, I love the new Hatebreed. I'm not even really a fan of them. Just love this one. And I thought all of their songs sounded the same. :p

I'm also hooked on that Fire it Up song by Black Label Society. I hate Zakk Wylde as a human being, but damn, he can put out some good songs every once in a while. I blame Guitar Hero this time. :mad:

[Cactus Lem]

Man, I love the new Hatebreed. I'm not even really a fan of them. Just love this one. And I thought all of their songs sounded the same. :p


I don't think the lastest effort is a patch on Perserverance or Rise of Brutality lyrically.

[blackening]

I changed my mind, I love Dream Theater's 'Train of Thought'.

I was bored yesterday and was looking up some bands on Wikipedia. I was on the Children of Bodom page and found this. Even though it sucks he got hurt, I find it kind of funny as it's an odd way to be injured and they don't seem like the kind of guys to go bowling.

On January 31st, 2007, Alexi Laiho slid down the lane at a bowling alley after accidentally stepping over the foul line. He slammed hard into the wall, breaking his left shoulder. This rendered him unable to play guitar for 6 weeks. Due to this incident, Children of Bodom was forced to cancel their first 2007 tours and a festival that they were slated to headline.

On March 31st, 2007, the Children of Bodom website was updated with information on Alexi's condition. Though his shoulder will never be the same, it has healed tremendously. His guitar playing should not suffer because of the incident. As a bonus, it was stated that the band has already written some songs for a new album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Bodom%27s_6th_Studio_Album), and hope to hit the recording studios sometime later in 2007.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_bodom#_note-2)

Children of Bodom, Arch Enemy, and In Flames are all working on new albums. :yes:

[House of Pancakes]

I would like to add that, essentially, any band that calls themselves "metal" automatically sucks.

[Nemesis]

Don't you have anything better to do?

[aBBy]

Turns out we are getting the Black Crusade Tour here! Only thing is we dont get Dragonforce but Im cool with that.

This isnt until October, but Im still very excited for some reason!

[Pete Cash]

I would like to add that, essentially, any band that calls themselves "metal" automatically sucks.

ahaha you used to like dream theater ahahaha

[Pete Cash]

also the melvins are on metal-archives which means they are rather metal, must be sad news hearing that they suck :(

[King101]

Turns out we are getting the Black Crusade Tour here! Only thing is we dont get Dragonforce but Im cool with that.

This isnt until October, but Im still very excited for some reason!

Who do you get in their place? Shadow's Fall have been added as the opening act for the UK shows, so you might just get them.

[House of Pancakes]

also the melvins are on metal-archives which means they are rather metal, must be sad news hearing that they suck :(

They're not a metal band, they have influences and certain sounds of heaviness related to metal. But they are mainly a punk/sludge band with influences all over the place.

[aBBy]

Who do you get in their place? Shadow's Fall have been added as the opening act for the UK shows, so you might just get them.

Yeh I just heard that its Shadows Fall. Im so excited about this show! :headbang:

[Pete Cash]

They're not a metal band, they have influences and certain sounds of heaviness related to metal. But they are mainly a punk/sludge band with influences all over the place.

Sludge is a sub-genre of Doom Metal

[Cactus Lem]

I went and saw Metallica at Wembley over the weekend. Damn good show, just ashame about the organisation regulations Wembley has in place, as the 'Gold Circle' bollocks really takes away from the overall enjoyment to en extent.

Good to see Machine Head take the place of Bullet For My Valentine, they put in a solid set, just a real shame they only got a half hour :(

Metallica weren't at their very best, I'd say I've seen them on three better occasions, but I still really loved the set they gave us.

Was awesome to hear Whiplash for the first time, and thry threw out a few surprises playing And Justice For All (the track not the album) The Memory Remains (which was surprisingly really cool) and No Leaf Clover, which really was the shit.

They mixed up the set incredibly well, playing a far more varied set than I'd seen them play before, throwing in Disposable Heroes, Four Horsemen, Fade to Black and The Orion (simply amazing with the light show on stage) along with the expected tracks.

I'd be put of ever going to a show at Wembley again, but Metallica managed to cheer me up after starting the day incredibly pissed off.

[Tempest]

No Leaf Clover was good eh?
I've only heard a live version of it once since S&M (I fucking ADORE it on there) and it was rather bad

[Ringo]

Didn't Mastodon open? Amazing I imagine?

Tell me what I want to hear.

[Cactus Lem]

No Leaf Clover was good eh?
I've only heard a live version of it once since S&M (I fucking ADORE it on there) and it was rather bad

Well obviously there may be some live bias, what with getting caught up in the moment and all, but I thought it came off really well. I was wondering how the really heavy double bass section would come off without the orchestra, and fuck me did they pull the section off.



Didn't Mastodon open? Amazing I imagine?

Tell me what I want to hear


Yeah, they where alright, I'd say they where more impressive when I saw them on the Unholly Alliance Tour in 2004, solid set nontheless. They got better as they went on really, sound was a bit dodgy at first, which was understandable considering they aren't exactly used to playing in venues the size of Wembley, but about three songs in they seemed to sort it out and got it all together.

[King101]

I thought Metallica were incredible at Wembley, they're just a fantastic live act and the setlist was insanely good - never thought I would hear AJFA, No Leaf Clover or Whiplash in person. The 2 minutes or so of "la la la la..." after Memory Remains was a special moment, I didn't expect a Reload track to be so well received.

Mastodon were very average really, i've seen them 4 times in the last year and despite loving them on record they never deliver live in my eyes.

Machine Head were great and got the crowd going really well, 5 songs was a bit short and I though Take My Scars and Halo rather than Old, Block, The Blood, The Sweat, The Tears or even Aesthetics of Hate was a mistake.

Can't say much about HIM, but at least the crowd were fairly original with their hatred, never seen swaying middle fingers or conga lines before.

[Cactus Lem]

I thought Metallica were incredible at Wembley, they're just a fantastic live act and the setlist was insanely good - never thought I would hear AJFA, No Leaf Clover or Whiplash in person. The 2 minutes or so of "la la la la..." after Memory Remains was a special moment, I didn't expect a Reload track to be so well received.

Mastodon were very average really, i've seen them 4 times in the last year and despite loving them on record they never deliver live in my eyes.

Machine Head were great and got the crowd going really well, 5 songs was a bit short and I though Take My Scars and Halo rather than Old, Block, The Blood, The Sweat, The Tears or even Aesthetics of Hate was a mistake.

Can't say much about HIM, but at least the crowd were fairly original with their hatred, never seen swaying middle fingers or conga lines before.

Was this your first time of seeing them? Did you manage to get Gold Circle?

Did you notice Lars fuck up during AJFA? He seemed like he was having a little trouble keeping up.

Whiplash was the shit, it certainly didn't have the pace it would have had 20 years ago, but I heard that opening riff and started going mad. They ussually encore with Seek and Destory last and either Am I Evil or another Kill Em All track just before, and I always seem to go batshit crazy for whatever track they choose.

Memory Remains along with Fuel are about the only two tracks on Reload I like, and both have come off really well live whenever I've seen them played.

I was shocked at how short Machine Head's set was, I thought they'd get at least 45 minutes. Was surprised they didn't play Old actually, but I was looking foward too seeing a whole bunch of stuff from the new album, I'll just have to wait till November. They always seem to play Take My Scars no matter the length of their set, and I've never understood why, it's a decent track, but is it worth playing it instead of an anthem like The Blood, The Sweat, The Tears?

I didn't see any of HIM thank god. Was completley fucked after being against the second tier barrier for Machine Head and in desperate need of food, the food line lasted the length of HIM's set, and me and my brother where quite happy :D

[Bad Obsession]

I second the hatred for the golden circles. They're a terrible. It's a good idea on paper, I was chuffed I managed to get into them when I went to see Muse, but it was a pretty crappy experience. I was far forward and I had a great view, and once the gig got going properly the moshing was ace, but security were strict as fuck. I don't know how many people I saw getting escorted out. They had something big stuck in their ass that day for sure.

I do love the new Wembley though. It's a great place for gigs. Apparently sound was a bit shitty at the back but that didn't affect me. I just want someone like Maiden to play there soon. 'Tallica was a wet dream for most metal fans, but not me.. :(

[Tempest]

Can someone humour me and elaborate on this golden circle thing?

[Bad Obsession]

They're two big circles at the very front of the stage. I think you can get about 1500 people into each. It's first come, first serve so if you're a die hard and get there early your chances of being rewarded with a better view is increased greatly. They give you these wristbands so you can go and please as you like too, which is kinda cool.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa211/bronxmonkey/DSC00179.jpg

That's from the Muse gig I went to. Not sure if it was exactly the same for the other gigs. I assume so.

Honestly it was only the cuntish security that ruined it for me. I hope next time I go there it'll be better.

[King101]

It was my second time seeing Metallica but I didn't make the golden circle unfotunately, but thanks to not leaving the crowd all day I was right on the 2nd barrier from the last couple of Machine Head songs until the end of the night.

I can't say I noticed Lars fuck up AJFA, can't say I blame him though it would be hard enough to play a track like that at his age if he'd practiced it every night, considering they havnt played it in 18 years or so I thought they pulled it off brilliantly.

I did notice James fuck up the 1st vese of Whiplash though, but didnt really care - I was just so impressed they were playing it at all. I expected a cover and when they said they only had 10 mins left I assumed theyd go for something short like Last Caress or So What, never expected they would play 3 songs of Kill Em All.

I was mostly impressed with how consistent the set was and how there were no points that dragged at all despite throwing in more obscure songs, I saw Muse at Wembley a few weeks ago and they only played 2 hours and seemed at their limits doing that, with the quality dropping off at a few points near the end. Seeing Metallica go 2 hours 30 or so without all the glitz that Muse had and blow them away just shows to me how great of a live act they are - I think a lot of it might be down to Rob bringing some new fire to the band, the guy was inceedible all night.

Machine Head left out The Blood, The Sweat, The Tears at Download too but played Old and Aesthetics of Hate which both went over great and would have fit in well in a support slot (AOH for the easy Dimebag cheer and Old since its one of their most recognised songs).

Edit: Metallica's Golden Circle was just one D barrier and probably only went about half as far back as Muse's.
Here's a picture I just found that shows it pretty well
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/andygt/P1000596.jpg

[Cactus Lem]

They're two big circles at the very front of the stage. I think you can get about 1500 people into each. It's first come, first serve so if you're a die hard and get there early your chances of being rewarded with a better view is increased greatly. They give you these wristbands so you can go and please as you like too, which is kinda cool.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa211/bronxmonkey/DSC00179.jpg

That's from the Muse gig I went to. Not sure if it was exactly the same for the other gigs. I assume so.

Honestly it was only the cuntish security that ruined it for me. I hope next time I go there it'll be better.

The Gold Circle for Metallica was litteraly a semi-circle at the front. The other thing that pissed me right off about it was the amount of room. It looked like at last 500-1000 more people could've fit in there.

Thing that pissed me off was I had no idea they'd emply the Gold Circle crap, if I had I'd have turned up a couple of hours earlier, but oh well.

King, where did you previously see Metallica? I thought last year at Download was much better, I don't think I've ever had so much adrenaline flowing through me, and the space, the pit, just everything about the set at Download last year was perfect. I'd probably rate their Reading 2003 and Earls Court performances over Wembley as well I think, but I'd put it ahead of Download 2004, which while unique, wasn't great.

[James Colorado]

Any Aussie metal heads here?

Saw Sodom and Celtic Frost last month in Melbourne: fucking killer gigs.

Nile earlier on was brilliant- much better than their 2005 show (decapitated's set was good too).

Anyone caught Vader when they toured? Saw them at the Corner Hotel and it was so not packed. Everyone who didn't go missed out on seeing one of the best bands going around today.

Hoping to go see Black Sabbath (the Dio years), the Cure (not really apt for a metal discussion thread) next month.

[Kev]

Tempest, Davelaw, anyone else know why Edguy don't have Australia, more specifically Melbourne itself on their Rocket Ride World Tour? :mad:

[Aussie_Outlaw]

They hit us in the last two tours but have barely touched the Asia/Australia region this tour. They briefly did Japan/China in March 06 but they haven't seen us this time around.

[James Colorado]

Which sucks, because I have missed them the last two times. Problem is it's expensive to tour here- when mayhem came down they said they will never come back. Of course I only heard of that show after it was over, so I was royally pissed. Saw Arcturus at the Espy a coupla months back, later found out it was their final ever show (hopefully they'll start touring again), so at least i've seen one of hellhammer's bands.

[Cactus Lem]

the Cure (not really apt for a metal discussion thread) next month.

Nothing wrong with that mate, I'm a Metal fan before any other genre, and I love The Cure, would probably make my all time top 10.

[James Colorado]

Nice to see that I'm not the only one in here who is a fan.

[Nemesis]

I just flew in from Hollywood last night, where I saw Immortal in concert. Hands down, best show I've ever seen. I was a little disappointed that they didn't play more Damned in Black material, but they still kicked ass. Much to my suprise (and delight), the crowd cheered immensly when Abbath brought out the Norwegian flag and laid it out on the drumset. The crowd was in a frenzy the entire time, which was no surprise; everyone came to see them (I hadn't even heard of the two opening bands), and that was only the second of two US dates they played. I can't do an adequate job of describing how fucking cool the show was. They played each song perfectly, with some added solos and crowd interaction between a few of the stops. It was hard to understand Abbath (since he's one of those guys who talks to the crowd in his singing voice), but he was actually funny with some of the stuff he said. Excellent show.

Oh, and Abbath didn't breathe fire, because the venue wouldn't allow him. :\

[blackening]

The Marilyn Manson/Slayer tour sounds pretty interesting.

I want to see the Slayer fans react when Manson headlines playing his gay shit from his new album.

[Tempest]

I believe you MEGAAWESOMEDRAGONZORDALEX

[Alex E]

:P

Check out the first few tracks from the new Epica. Simone's voice has never been the best, but the songwriting and epicness of it is a definite step up over Consign to Oblivion.

I've been trying to get into the new SX since everyone seems to love it, but it really doesn't do it for me. The songs don't make me want to come back.

[Cactus Lem]

The Marilyn Manson/Slayer tour sounds pretty interesting.

I want to see the Slayer fans react when Manson headlines playing his gay shit from his new album.


I hope Manson gets pelted off stage night after night.

[Tempest]

:P

Check out the first few tracks from the new Epica. Simone's voice has never been the best, but the songwriting and epicness of it is a definite step up over Consign to Oblivion.

I've been trying to get into the new SX since everyone seems to love it, but it really doesn't do it for me. The songs don't make me want to come back.


:eek: It's hard really because it's kinda not what you expect from Symph X, but at the same time you could see where they were headed.

I do still bloody love it. EVE OF SEDUCTION

Also, has anyone seen the new Ryche DVD? It's actually a really good showing. Tate sounds pretty good and the story they tell on the stage is pretty cool. Fun to see Tate SQUEEZE himself into his old BASTARD jacket too :D

[James Colorado]

Looks some slayer fans will have an excuse to rock up late.

[Kev]

Which sucks, because I have missed them the last two times. Problem is it's expensive to tour here- when mayhem came down they said they will never come back. Of course I only heard of that show after it was over, so I was royally pissed. Saw Arcturus at the Espy a coupla months back, later found out it was their final ever show (hopefully they'll start touring again), so at least i've seen one of hellhammer's bands.

Why is it expensive to tour down here?

[Kev]

Also I don't give a toss about other "hellhammer bands" unless they're Edguy or Dragonforce, a majority of power metal is shite and it's not fair.

Also all these blokes really need to stop with the whole tight pants, dressed in black type thing because every group looks the same. It's embarassing and makes me want to swear at them. And I don't really like swearing all that much lately.

[James Colorado]

It's expensive to tour down here because of the extra flying costs- or so these bands say (you may be right calling it bullshit).

When I said hellhammer I was referring to the bands that the drummer from mayhem (stage name hellhammer) is in. I missed mayhem when they toured in '02, but caught his band Arcturus here- they're a very different, avant garde black metal band- black metal may not be the correct label, though, that is how different they are.

Good point in much of power metal being shit, and again, I really don't want to see a bunch of dudes in tight pants.

[Nemesis]

Hey, power metal is awesome. :irked:

I may prefer black (which would be why I just went across the country to see Immortal in concert), death and thrash over power metal, but it still can be awesome. I actually have the title track from Rocket Ride on my myspace page. :happysad:

Speaking of which, can anyone recommend some really good Blind Guardian songs? I like Nightfall and especially Valhalla, but that's about all I've heard.

And is anyone into Masterplan? I heard their song Spirit Never Die, and I think I have a love/hate relationship with it. The guitars are great, especially the opening part, but I HATE the cheesy lyrics in the chorus. Not that I automatically hate positive lyrics, but it's just really corny in this one. Great song, though.

I also checked out a black metal documentary about the lead singer of Gorgoroth last night. What a weird, creepy bastard.

[blackening]

Speaking of which, can anyone recommend some really good Blind Guardian songs? I like Nightfall and especially Valhalla, but that's about all I've heard.

I really like both of those songs too. Here are some of my other favorites:

The Bard's Song (Somewhere Far Beyond - acoustic)
Mirror Mirror (Nightfall in Middle-Earth)
Imaginations from the Other Side (" ")
Mordred's Song (Imaginations from the Other Side - probably my favorite BG song)
Bright Eyes (Imaginations from the Other Side)
Lost in the Twilight Hall (Tales from the Twilight World)
This Will Never (A Twist in the Myth)
Otherland (A Twist in the Myth)
Turn the Page (A Twist in the Myth)
Fly (A Twist in the Myth)
Skalds and Shadows (A Twist in the Myth)

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I'd look at your myspace page Nem, but it's a wanky private one :p

[James Colorado]

Saw Blind Guardian at the Forum twice earlier this year. That's actually a pretty good venue for them, as it has a real "theatric" look to it, replete with faux-classical statues and such, really fit in with the image.

As for the lead singer of Gorgoroth...Someone from that band just got locked up for rape I heard, not sure if it's the singer though.

[James Colorado]

It wasn't the singer, it was infernus, one of the musicians. He wasn't actually charged with rape, but rather with doing nothing to stop it, as she was raped by a friend of his (he then claimed that his intercourse with ehr afterwards was consensual).

In a black metal vein, i'm kind of behind the times. I only just heard marduk's new song (cold mouth prayer) and am wondering as to the qualit yof the rest of the album (really dug this song). Going back to quite possibly the greatest band to ever come out of Norway, I'm yet to hear the new mayhem record!

[Cactus Lem]

Can I just ask, what do you guys see in Black Metal? I've just never found anything enjoyable about the genre, and always fidn it to come off as a real joke in that I can't really make out anything that's going on, and then with the whole scene that seemingly surrounds the genre, it just puts me right off.

[Nemesis]

I really like both of those songs too. Here are some of my other favorites:

The Bard's Song (Somewhere Far Beyond - acoustic)
Mirror Mirror (Nightfall in Middle-Earth)
Imaginations from the Other Side (" ")
Mordred's Song (Imaginations from the Other Side - probably my favorite BG song)
Bright Eyes (Imaginations from the Other Side)
Lost in the Twilight Hall (Tales from the Twilight World)
This Will Never (A Twist in the Myth)
Otherland (A Twist in the Myth)
Turn the Page (A Twist in the Myth)
Fly (A Twist in the Myth)
Skalds and Shadows (A Twist in the Myth)




Awesome! Thanks :beer:


Can I just ask, what do you guys see in Black Metal? I've just never found anything enjoyable about the genre, and always fidn it to come off as a real joke in that I can't really make out anything that's going on, and then with the whole scene that seemingly surrounds the genre, it just puts me right off.

I'm not gonna lie to you, for me the church burnings, murders, etc. are what drew me into it at the start. But the music itself has kept me there. A lot of it has a great sense of atmosphere, and is nearly as heavy, but more melodic, than death metal. The more epic stuff, like Emperor, is pretty awesome, too.

It's one of those things that really goes beyone just the music for some people. Some get wrapped up in the outrageous things that happened with the churches, Euronymous' death, etc. Some people agree with the ideologies of some of the musicians. Some just like the image.

I pretty much just like the music.

[Tempest]

If you're going to listen to Guardian you MUST listen to and love Banish From Sanctuary. I believe there is a law in some countries about this.

[blackening]

I've never heard that song.

[James Colorado]

Thank you Nemesis for a very intelligent post. I personally was attracted to black metal out of curiosity (I don't agree with any of the actions of the inner circle, as I am actually a practising Catholic), but I find the music to be very interesting. Even though much of it goes against my own beliefs, I don't believe in only exposing yourself to that which conforms to your own worldview- otherwise I wouldn't have the wonderful Protestant, Muslim, Jewish and Atheist friends that I have. And that would be a real shame.

Now you can say that there is a huge difference between exposing yourself (and don't take that out of context!) to people from a wide variety of backgrounds, and listening to music that the guy from Sentenced described as like "someone burping over a vacuum cleaner" (it.s from an interview in an old Terrorizer- let me know if you want the reference anyone), but at the end of the day, I simply like the music, and despite disagreeing with the excesses of the scene, find it intriguing.

[Tempest]

I've never heard that song.


:eek:!! Get your hands on it. It's speedy like Welcome To Dying - It's the song that really got me into them i'd say (It's on Follow The Blind)

[Axewhipe]

It wasn't the singer, it was infernus, one of the musicians. He wasn't actually charged with rape, but rather with doing nothing to stop it, as she was raped by a friend of his (he then claimed that his intercourse with ehr afterwards was consensual).


Wow, that is something else, never heard of half-rape, or kinda-rape...

Are those words even proper grammar?

[James Colorado]

There must be some kind of Good Samaritan legislation in Norway, that's the only explanation I can think of.

[Axewhipe]

Like...

He meant good while raping her?

Like he thought that if he raped her that she would no longer be scared of the monster in her closet???

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Finally bothered to pick up Stuck Mojo's Southern Born Killers.


At least I can't complain it's a rip off if I don't like it.

[James Colorado]

No, Good Samaritan legislation criminalises failure to stop a crime by someone who had the opportunity and capacity to do so. In this case, infernus could have attempted to physically prevent the rape, or dissuade his friend from performing the act, etc. Either way, the culpability of someone charged under such laws is lower than the primary perpetrator. Such laws are generally controversial and are not widespread- I think the last episode of Seinfeld involved such laws.

Alternatively, he may have been charged with aiding or abetting, or a lesser degree of accessory liability; from the length of the sentence (but without knowing all the facts) I would guess as accessory after the fact in not reporting the crime, although the circumstances may have made his accessorial liability be contemporary with the act. I really hesitate to guess at what level his involvement would be assessed based on the sentence though (even though I have made such a guess!) as the Norwegian penal system can be notoriously lax in imposing appropriate penalties for serious cases (Varg nearing release? How is Bard Eithun out of prison? WTF man!).

[Tempest]

Just listening to the new Nightwish (Only a promo copy) - Just sounds like Once with a new singer to be fair...

But I like Once, so it's cool.

[JonnyPlops]

I've gone off metal recently, but some of my favourite bands are Slayer, Lamb of God, Bury Your Dead, Black Dahlia Murder, and Lordi.

[Alex E]

Just listening to the new Nightwish (Only a promo copy) - Just sounds like Once with a new singer to be fair...

But I like Once, so it's cool.


Once will be hard to live up to, minus Higher than Hope, which was a horrible choice to end the cd over ghost love score. The new stuff sounds mostly great...the first minute of Last of the Winds could be their best opening ever imo. Also, poet and the pendulum could've been in their top 3 songs if they had shaved some excess junk off. 1:15 to the part with the kid singer is awesome, as is the second half.

[blackening]

:eek:!! Get your hands on it. It's speedy like Welcome To Dying - It's the song that really got me into them i'd say (It's on Follow The Blind)
I'll have to download it some time.

Nightwish, huh? The only song I've ever heard of their's is 'Wish I Had An Angel' and that was a long time ago.

A song from Arch Enemy's new album is on this site:

http://www2.centurymedia.com/index.aspx?page=detailed_artist&id_artist=6&default_id_country=3

[Axewhipe]

No, Good Samaritan legislation criminalises failure to stop a crime by someone who had the opportunity and capacity to do so. In this case, infernus could have attempted to physically prevent the rape, or dissuade his friend from performing the act, etc. Either way, the culpability of someone charged under such laws is lower than the primary perpetrator. Such laws are generally controversial and are not widespread- I think the last episode of Seinfeld involved such laws.

Alternatively, he may have been charged with aiding or abetting, or a lesser degree of accessory liability; from the length of the sentence (but without knowing all the facts) I would guess as accessory after the fact in not reporting the crime, although the circumstances may have made his accessorial liability be contemporary with the act. I really hesitate to guess at what level his involvement would be assessed based on the sentence though (even though I have made such a guess!) as the Norwegian penal system can be notoriously lax in imposing appropriate penalties for serious cases (Varg nearing release? How is Bard Eithun out of prison? WTF man!).

I am gonna have to take a guess and say you are a criminal bhy your extensive knowledge in law...

Or a lawyer, I like the idea of criminal though...

[James Colorado]

Well law student actually. But lawyers are a type of criminal...

[Axewhipe]

Doesn't it kinda hurt that I am kinda right though?

Anyway, does anybody know any melodic metal bands that are coherent. I like Children of Bodom, but I can't understand any of the words that aren't in the chorus. It kinda gets repetitive just waiting for them to say Are You Dead Yet?

[James Colorado]

Doesn't it kinda hurt that I am kinda right though?

Not at all, I figured out a long time ago that the only reason lawyers exist is because of the greed and stupidity of others- so really, it's all your own damned fault!

[Axewhipe]

What I meant is that I was able to guess your profession, kinda...

[James Colorado]

I love that you guessed criminal before lawyer though. That made my day.

[Axewhipe]

I was kidding....

[James Colorado]

No you weren't.

[Nemesis]

Anyway, does anybody know any melodic metal bands that are coherent. I like Children of Bodom, but I can't understand any of the words that aren't in the chorus. It kinda gets repetitive just waiting for them to say Are You Dead Yet?

You could just look at the lyrics in the booklets. Or, power metal might be your thing.

Also, if you're looking for something in the vein of CoB, I'd suggest Norther. They're a little easier to understand, vocally.

And, I enthusiastically endorse I - Between Two Worlds. It's got Abbath from Immortal, Ice Dale from Enslaved, the ex-bassist from Gorgoroth, and an ex-Immortal drummer. Good melodies, and it's easy to understand the lyrics (which are Bathory-inspired). Haha, it's a gateway album to black metal. It's basically a "lite" version of Immortal, but it kicks so much ass that it's impossible to describe.

[Axewhipe]

First off thanks Nemesis I will look up those bands...

Second James, I am trying my best to be non-offensive here, but if you believe that I meant that, then I am going to apologize. Sorry for making you think that I believed you were a criminal...

[blackening]

Doesn't it kinda hurt that I am kinda right though?

Anyway, does anybody know any melodic metal bands that are coherent. I like Children of Bodom, but I can't understand any of the words that aren't in the chorus. It kinda gets repetitive just waiting for them to say Are You Dead Yet?
I know what you mean and that's why I look up the lyrics. I think probably Amon Amarth and Arch Enemy are both easier to understand and you could also try any In Flames album besides, Jester Race, Reroute to Remain, and Soundtrack to Your Escape.

[Axewhipe]

I don't like to look up lyrics often, I try to get the words from listening an insane number of times. The only band I have ever looked up lyrics for was Mastodon for obvious reasons. I think that if you look up the lyrics, you loose a certain amount of connection with the song...

[aBBy]

*Edit*

Anyone listened to Devildriver's new album? I quite like it.

[Tempest]

New names for Avantasia: Kiske (SHOCK HORROR), Alice Cooper and Rudolf Schenker

That makes the current line up so far: Sascha Paeth, Henjo Richter, Eric Singer, Miro, Michael Kiske, Jorn Lande, Bob Catley, Amanda Somerville, Alice Cooper, Rudolf Schenker & Tobias himself

Also, Avantasia are headling Wacken! I want to go :mad:

Credit: Tobias the rascal Sammet.com

[darkhorse]

Anyone listened to Devildriver's new album? I quite like it.

I've had it for a while. Excellent stuff.

[cactusmaac]

I'll probably be seeing High On Fire when they play Manchester.

[James Colorado]

Saw devildriver when they opened for Fear Factory last year. Wasn't a fan before, saw nothing to convince me otherwise live. But if you guys like em, then go ahead (at least they're still a million times better than the singer's old band).

[James Colorado]

Second James, I am trying my best to be non-offensive here, but if you believe that I meant that, then I am going to apologize. Sorry for making you think that I believed you were a criminal...

Dude, you did not offend me in the slightest! I freely admit to lawyers being scum- that's why I fit in! I took everything you said in the light-hearted manner in which it was given, you have absolutely nothing to apologise for.

Seriously Axe, you have done nothing wrong, and I always appreciate any good lawyer jokes (anyone wanna start a new thread?). In short, you're cool with me buddy.

[James Colorado]

marduk are playing Melbourne Saturday week. I dig their recorded shit, but Terrorizer did a gig review where they mentioned that they've really bought them as a live act- anyone wanna tell me how good marduk are live?

Also the killer NAPALM DEATH are coming soon! Never seen them before, don't know if they've ever toured Australia, but I can't wait.

Not posted in upcoming gigs thread, because almost everything put there revolves around rubbish bands and crappy gigs.

[Tempest]

http://www.tobiassammet.com/images/TobiasAT.jpg
:lol: What the hell does he look like

He could've at least wore the cowskin cowboy hat

[Axewhipe]

Dude, you did not offend me in the slightest! I freely admit to lawyers being scum- that's why I fit in! I took everything you said in the light-hearted manner in which it was given, you have absolutely nothing to apologise for.

Seriously Axe, you have done nothing wrong, and I always appreciate any good lawyer jokes (anyone wanna start a new thread?). In short, you're cool with me buddy.

Cool, I don't like making enemies...

BTW Nemesis, thanks for the info about Arch Enemy, I like that band, but In Flames is not coherant. I think I might listen to them anyway though. I guess I might have to break my vow thingy about not looking up lyrics if I want to get into Black Metal...

[James Colorado]

You should try In Flames earlier stuff, anything they've done lately is sell-out rubbish, even if it is more coherent.

[blackening]

I'll give you RtR and StYE, but I don't agree that Come Clarity was "sell-out rubbish". That was some pretty good shit.

Axewipe, I believe I was the one to mention Arch Enemy. Pretty pumped for their new CD coming out next month.

[Axewhipe]

Sorry bout that, I'll give you the credit then. They sound pretty good. I like their song Nemesis...

[James Colorado]

Blackening, I gotta politely disagree, I didn't like Come Clarity at all. It's got nothing on their earlier stuff.

Axewhipe, you may enjoy Synergy if you haven't already heard of them.

[blackening]

I liked it - yeah, it has nothing on their old stuff, but was better than their previous two albums by a lot and better than most of the shit out there.

[Cactus Lem]

Also the killer NAPALM DEATH are coming soon! Never seen them before, don't know if they've ever toured Australia, but I can't wait.


People actually like Napalm Death? :wtf:

Sorry to have a go, because you seem to like some good stuff, but what is there about Napalm that is even slightly likeable? Listening to them is like listening to a wall of noise.

I watched about 10 minutes of them at Download in 2005, thought they where terrible, and couldn't decipher what was different one tracj to another. I walked out and ended up watching Feeder, which was much more chilled.

I went to see Municipal Waste the other night, was a fun show, not as insane as some of the live video's I've seen, but the venue and the crowd in general just wasn't big enough to generate that sort of atmosphere. Hilarious live band though, that I'd recommend to anyone if they ever come round your way.

[Axewhipe]

Axewhipe, you may enjoy Synergy if you haven't already heard of them.


I haven't heard of most metal bands, I am just getting into metal, any band you give me I probably don't know...

[James Colorado]

Cactus Lem- you're not having a go at me, you're just expressing an opinion, which is always welcome- as you know, there is nobody more opinionated than a metal head, and we're not afraid to show it!

If you don't like them, that's cool, but I personally love grindcore/death metal, and think Napalm are at the top of the tree. As for Municipal Waste, I've been hearing some good things about them in Terrorizer- haven't actually heard their music, don't know their style, but what I have heard of them accords with what you just said- a good, fun live band. I think they're on Terrorizer's Fear Candy disc with the last ish that I actually found in this colonial backwater, so I'll be sure to give them a spin.

Axewhipe, it's actually spelt Sinergy- I hate to think I've sent you off on a wildgoose chase because I spelt it wrong. They're a power/speed metal group from Finland, with Kimberley Goss (ex-Dimmu Borgir keyboardist), Alexi Laiho (Children of Bodom), and people who have been in a few other bands in the North European scene. Jesper Stromblad (In Flames) used to be there. I mention them because you've already mentioned some of those other bands in your posts. Sinergy are different to the members day jobs, and I recommend you listen to them to find out why- a lot more technical, quite fast-paced. Sometimes they remind me of Dragonforce, but with a female vocalist.

[James Colorado]

Axewhipe, if you're just getting into metal, and you're already going into the death/black/power/speed scenes, I gotta recommend that yeah, that stuff is awesome, but just take a step back for a minute and go for some of the foundation work. I like that you're checking out the European scene, as I think the American stuff is unfortunately stagnant at the moment, but when I say foundation work I'm of course referring to German thrash. A lot of what's been done today wouldn't be possible without the big 3 of Teutonic thrash and it's no coincidence that Destruction (Espy, 2002), Sodom (Hi-Fi Bar, 2007) are my equal second favourite gigs of all time, with Kreator (Hi-Fi Bar, 2006- saw them twice!) coming a close third. This is the real shit, and I can't think of a better place for a newcomer to cut their teeth.

If anyone's wondering, Megadeth (Palace, 2001) is my all time favourite gig. Speaking of which, anyone want to mention their number one gig of all time?

[Cactus Lem]

My favourite Gig of all time has gotta be seeing Slayer, Killswitch Engage and Mastodon at the Universal Ampthitheatre in LA back in December 2004. Amazing performance by Slayer, easily the best of the six times I've seen them, and KSE ripped through an awesome set.

Biggest high I've ever got from seeing a band though has got to be Metallica performing the Master of Puppets album in it's entirity at Donnington last year though.

[James Colorado]

As much as metallica have sucked for 17 years now, seeing them do MoP in full will always be worth the price of admission.

While we're on the topic of best gigs, seeing the classic Anthrax line-up a couple of years back was awesome.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Pity the classic lineup caused Anthrax and John Bush to essentially part ways :(