This Band Sucks! (Artists not worthy of having a record contract)

[WizoOzz]

This is where you get to tell everybody why you hate that one irritating band. Everyone else loves 'em, but you just can't see it. Tell them why here. Make sure you get your views across...just don't get out of hand. This ain't the Asylum, and you can be banned for what you say here.

[SideburnZ]

Limp Bizkit:

Fred Durst is so obviously a dickhead. You can almost see the $ $ in his eyes whenever he makes a new video, signs a new band or anything.

He insults other bands fans. Now insulting a band, fine. Insulting their fans (especially from his position as a well known, well heard guy) is lame.

The music itself went down down down. First album was reasonable...second album was crap...third album was pathetic.

I hate them.

[DeMoN]

Any group consisting of more than three little pretty boys running around singing "Oh baby baby"

[Sabu]

Tool.

Sorry The Australian Crippler, Paul, (forget your current user name), but I cannot stand them. I dunno if it's that I hate the riffs, that I hate the way Maynard either screams or whispers, or that I hate the way every Tool fan beats over them so much and just automatically claims they're the most awesome band ever, or the way their film clips are just weird, or the way everyone overrates them so much, or what, it may even be a combination of them all, or it may be that I have very different music taste to the people of today.

Or, it might be that when they weren't as popular, the Tool fan's excuse was "they don't want to be popular". Now that they're popular, and I ask a Tool fan if they're unhappy because of that, they deny they ever said it.

But, please Tool fans don't attack me, I've heard it all before (about a hundred times) so please just ignore me if that's your intent.

Oh, and Lifehouse, Creed, Punk, 3 Doors Down (remember them) and all that soft rock and nu-metal stuff.

[Smiddy]

I can think of two in particular.

The Vines.

I'll admit, I've only heard their debut single, but that, along with everything else I've heard surrounding them, I can't believe it. I've heard that the Vines are 'the future of rock music,' and are 'the perfect synthesis of Nirvana and the Beatles.' Whilst I can understand how they made the comparison, their music sounds awful, especially the vocalist.
Speaking of their frontman, In a short interview about their hairstyles (basically the same as the Strokes and other newcomers) he said he cuts it himself because he doesn't want to go out and pay money for others to cut his hair, and interact with other people. He also said the group didn't want to make a music video, but only did because it's a standard among artists in the mainstream. This guy is obviously trying to be some kind of tragic 'artist,' and individual and rebelling type. I'm not buying.

I'm not particuarly a fan of the newcomers to rock music, Phantom Planet and such. They just seem to be copying the Strokes act.

Silverchair.
If you're Australian, you're probably familiar with Silverchair being shoved down your throat. They fit the word 'overrated' to a T. On Australia's music video channel, Channel [V], Silverchair are pushed to the moon, as the best musical act in Australia. Truth of the matter is, Daniel Johns is an anhorexic cripple, with two of his friends from high school along for the ride. When they came on out on the scene as a few kids in their early teens, their music was good, and they acted like stoned teenagers. Now, Johns tries to push 'serious issues' in his songs, and protrays himself as an 'artist' also. He's a vegitarian, hence his 'anhorexic cripple' situation. He talks in this pathetic soft voice too, :mad: and of course I can't stand their music. Simply view Silverchair as the general consensus here view Triple-H.

I'm a fan of most genres of music, and whilst of course I don't like every single bit of material put out there, there are very few occurances where I'll actually dislike an artist. I guess in the above two cases, it's where the frontman pretends he's Kurt Cobain.

[Headwires]

Linkin Park - There just a boy band who play music that is slighty louder and this Music is dreadful. I Really cant stand them.

[maxx powerz]

Why was this made important. Its just a thread to insult bands that other people might like.

[WizoOzz]

Originally posted by maxx powerz
Why was this made important. Its just a thread to insult bands that other people might like.

Aha...but it also eliminates threads being made directly about a certain band...and allows for a little bit of venting, as well as eliminating the ruining of other perfectly good threads. The main purpose, though, is for kind of a warning so that people who dislike such and such a band could tell people why their album sucks...so, yeah...go ahead and continue on. Any more questions, just PM me...

[Jonathan]

Eminem, Staind, Linkin Park, Puddle Of Mudd, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Nelly, Tool, Lifehouse, matchbox twenty, POD, Adema, Ashanti, Beyonce Knowles, Nirvana, and Pink.

*Adds those people to the "People I need to kill" list.*

[Cass]

You want to kill Dave Grohl, Jonathan?

Quick! Tether him down!

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by Cass
You want to kill Dave Grohl, Jonathan?

Quick! Tether him down! I do like Queens of the Stone Age. And the Foo Fighters, but not Nirvana.

[Smiddy]

But that does sort of cancel things out, since the other surviving member is out of the celebrity spotlight, I believe.

[Cass]

Dave Grohl is involved with QotSA?

Didn't know that.

And don't kill him. :mad:

[MMH]

The White Stripes

there is a fine line between being a bit different and being all out crap. These fall into the latter catagory (albiet with a couple of half decent songs)

No Doubt

I just dont see why a lot of people like them. They aint completly terrible or anything but are so generic.

Nelly Furtado

Seems to be a bit of an idiot. Tries to hard to be "kerazy"

[Ms. Morningstar]

Dave Matthews Band...

The only band I don't like enough to talk about it. I mean they really suck. Really Badly. They're songs are just so annoying. I won't say anything about them personally, I mean they are people, but as for their music... TERRIBLE!!! :dead:

[Zen]

......

I'll say some groups and people I normally don't even talk about.
Most of these get really popular down south, and I don't see why:

Dixie chicks
John Meyer(crap)
Dave Matthews
Destiny's Child(all replaceable...which means they aren't vital)

..

I'll make another listing shortly.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by mighty molly holly

No Doubt

I just dont see why a lot of people like them. They aint completly terrible or anything but are so generic.

Nelly Furtado

Seems to be a bit of an idiot. Tries to hard to be "kerazy"

At last a brutha .. I thought I was the only one who could see thru the Gwen Stefani sex symbol thing and that what lies behind it is just a very poor average band,As for Furtado i can sum her up in 3 words... Tori Amos Lite.

[Headwires]

Originally posted by mighty molly holly

No Doubt

I just dont see why a lot of people like them. They aint completly terrible or anything but are so generic.

Nelly Furtado

Seems to be a bit of an idiot. Tries to hard to be "kerazy"

:yes: :yes: :yes:

No Doubt Are Terrible. Why did anyone like that song 'Hey baby' It was complete shite, the rest of them are crap aswell.

Nelly Retarded, well i just cant stand her.

[Matt E]

Kelly Osbourne. Not a band but still.

[Jonathan]

Nelly Furtado rules.

[CHS_Punk]

Any band that I don't like.

[Hobbit]

Any boy band or girl band involved with pop music. I just cannot stand the continuous 'happiness' of it.

But I am a miserable sod, so.

[Nemesis]

I'll second Limp Bizkit. Aside from obvious lack of talent, their little circus involving Wes Borland leaving the band has been pretty sickening, to say the least. They technically own all the riffs that the tryouts performed for them when they had a contest to find a new guitarist and (surprise!) they haven't recruited a new one yet. What a scam.

After that, Fred basically begged Wes to come back and Wes refused. And if this doesn't make you cringe, I don't know what will: the band has been quoted as saying that they're learning to play the guitar. Their next CD will be a colossal crap monster, but that isn't hard to forsee in the first place, guitarist or not.

[Matt E]

Limp Bizkit is a curious one for me.. I happened to really like chocolate starfish, but the rest of the albums I've heard are shite.. as for No Doubt.. were they the ones who released "My favourite game"? I think it was a while ago in like '98

[Zen]

...

I don't like this new No Doubt music now either..can't stand the reggae and all that..but I will admit to having a soft spot for her new song "underneath it all". Every time that video comes on tv, I find myself mesmerized by it..and I repeat to nobody but myself that yes, she really is "beautiful underneath it all".

Gwen is a babe of epic proportions. I can't bring myself to bash her..but I will bash this new album.

[Hobbit]

Oh I forgot that band that did that 'Crossroads' song, Trail Squad or something? Man they are shit, that song is like the only song (and anything by S Club Juniors) that really makes me want to through the radio out of the window. Pure shite to me.

But what makes me hate it so much is that a lot of people I know love it, and are always singing it 'See you at the crossroads, crossroads' etc and it drives me mad. I really hate it.

[Nemesis]

On second thought, there are a lot of bands/artists that I cannot stand:

Nelly
Jay-Z
Poop Daddy (or whatever the hell he wants us to call him nowadays)
Destiny's Child (especially Beyonce...I wish for a really fat woman to fall on her)
(Insert Boy Band's name here)
Shuvel
Society 1
Eminem (the guy's talented, but he's an annoying little penis)
Kid Rock
Linkin Park
Ludacris
Creed
Oasis (the band name "Shitty Beatles" must have already been taken by someone else)
Kiss
Madonna (well...I don't really think it's her music...I think it's just her)
Lifehouse
Godsmack
Nickelback
I like SOAD, but if I hear the Toxicity album one more time, I'm gonna set my grandma's hair on fire...:mad:

ICP's starting to wear on me, too...they release about a dozen different CDs each month, all with songs that have already been released at one point or another.

[Kris]

*burns all members of Puddle of Mudd*

[Sadistic SOB 4 life]

Nelly

Limp Bizkit

Korn

Puff Daddy

No Dought

Jennifer Lopez

Backstreet Boys

N sync

98 degrees

Britney Spears

Christina A.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Sadistic SOB 4 life
Nelly

Limp Bizkit

Korn

Puff Daddy

No Dought

Jennifer Lopez

Backstreet Boys

N sync

98 degrees

Britney Spears

Christina A.

It has to be said...why waste time hating this lot ?
I wouldn`t even give them the satisfaction of my attention for a single minute

[Crabby]

Silverchair.
If you're Australian, you're probably familiar with Silverchair being shoved down your throat. They fit the word 'overrated' to a T. On Australia's music video channel, Channel [V], Silverchair are pushed to the moon, as the best musical act in Australia. Truth of the matter is, Daniel Johns is an anhorexic cripple, with two of his friends from high school along for the ride. When they came on out on the scene as a few kids in their early teens, their music was good, and they acted like stoned teenagers. Now, Johns tries to push 'serious issues' in his songs, and protrays himself as an 'artist' also. He's a vegitarian, hence his 'anhorexic cripple' situation. He talks in this pathetic soft voice too, :mad: and of course I can't stand their music. Simply view Silverchair as the general consensus here view Triple-H.

I'm a fan of most genres of music, and whilst of course I don't like every single bit of material put out there, there are very few occurances where I'll actually dislike an artist. I guess in the above two cases, it's where the frontman pretends he's Kurt Cobain. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yep, I agree with you , Smid. I've never liked Silverchair, and never understood the way they are continually hyped as the greatest rock band in Australia. The Mark Of Cain are a band that don't get even a miniscule fraction of the attention afforded Silverchair, yet they are infinitely more talented and produce more consistent music. Same with Shihad (techinically NZ, but you get the point), Bodyjar, Segression and others.

Daniel Johns has always come across as a wanker to me. Every interview I've seen or read of his since the band went mega has re-inforced my opinion. He just comes across as an insincere, stuck-up, rude, I'm-too-cool-for-school- and-my-fans-as-well type. I saw an interview with hi after the band had a few hits, and they asked him about how they got started. They asked him about getting a record contract, and he said something like "So they rang us up and said, "Do you want a record contract", and we were like Awwww, yeah, I guess so then". He just said it with this pretentious little voice that made me want to punch my TV, and he's always seemed that way to me since.

I wouldn't wish his recent injuries on anyone, but I've never understood the fuss surrounding Silverchair.

Sure, they have talent, but the neverending press juggernaut that surrounds everything Silverchair does gets very annoying.

[Psycho]

Originally posted by Kris
*burns all members of Puddle of Mudd*

*owes you a favour*

[pulpintro]

Originally posted by Matt E
as for No Doubt.. were they the ones who released "My favourite game"? I think it was a while ago in like '98 No, that was The Cardigans, and they are an awesome band. I :heart: Nina Persson.

No Doubt is allright. They're fun to listen to and all, but they're not that great. Just good.

[Sweet Stan]

Y`know i`ve always kinda found it funny that it`s perfectly acceptable to slag off the likes of Blink 182 , Linkin Park , That Avril chick,and all those sort of bands.

Yet as soon as you start pissing on the Sacred Cows of net chat rooms & MB`s like Weezer , Nirvana , Foo Fighters , Manic street preachers & the like you`re suddenly branded an arrogant opininated arsehole who doesn`t like anything.

[Jonathan]

Nirvana suck.

[SideburnZ]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
Y`know i`ve always kinda found it funny that it`s perfectly acceptable to slag off the likes of Blink 182 , Linkin Park , That Avril chick,and all those sort of bands.

Yet as soon as you start pissing on the Sacred Cows of net chat rooms & MB`s like Weezer , Nirvana , Foo Fighters , Manic street preachers & the like you`re suddenly branded an arrogant opininated arsehole who doesn`t like anything.


I think it has to do with band age.

If someone is like "omg i luv linkin park they totaly rawk"then that persons set of favorite bands also include Avril, Blink and so on...they come off as someone that only likes new stuff that MTV feeds them...

Dont let it get to you. Like what you wanna like for whatever reasons you choose.

[Ringo]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Nirvana suck.

Well done Jonathan!!!!, Once again you have taken the time to back up your case in full.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by Nemesis
Oasis (the band name "Shitty Beatles" must have already been taken by someone else)

From Wayne's World . . .

Wayne: 'Who's playing tonight?'
Bouncer: 'The Shitty Beatles.'
Wayne: 'Are they any good?'
Bouncer: 'They suck.'


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[Kris]

*scalps P Diddy*

[Crabby]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
From Wayne's World . . .

Wayne: 'Who's playing tonight?'
Bouncer: 'The Shitty Beatles.'
Wayne: 'Are they any good?'
Bouncer: 'They suck.'


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I absolutely love that movie. It's on TV right now.

"It certainly does suck".

[Smiddy]

:beer: Cheers for that! *switches to TV1*

[Crabby]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
:beer: Cheers for that! *switches to TV1*

"Oh, so it's not just a clever name, then".

"And it's the choice of a new generation".

[SharpShooter]

Originally posted by Nemesis
Oasis (the band name "Shitty Beatles" must have already been taken by someone else):rolleyes:

The name 'Unfair and Inaccurate Cliche' must have been taken when you signed up as well, then.

All pop = shite.

[SideburnZ]

I dont see how the Beatles are like Oasis.

They both suck, but in entirely different ways. :yes:

[kickofdeath]

I fuckin fuckin hate the foo fighters, if i EVER saw them i would fucken KILL THEM ALL. Im sorry but their crap, boring, shit music is continuously played on the radio where i live and i just hate em so fucken much.

I hate Pink. Jesus if that little bitch who is a good looking famous millionaire wants to change places with someone she can change places with me the retarded slut. Far out could any song be more pathetic than dont let me get me, jeeeeeezus.

Limp Bizkit's Chocolate Starfish CD was good admittedly. But jesus their other shit sucked. Durst just runs around creating new bands for the fuckin $$$$$. He thinks of himself as the Dr Dre of rock or something...

Avril Lavigne or anyone like her who is simply an average singer with a gimmick annoys the shit out of me. Would she ever have sold records if she didnt look like she was 12 and didnt wear a tie? I doubt it. She is just manufactured shit.

But could someone please explain the anti Puddle of Mudd sentiment?

[spanish announce table]

big tymers
lil wayne
nelly
ja rule
ashanti
irv gotti
ying yang twins

[Kris]

Originally posted by SharpShooter
:rolleyes:

The name 'Unfair and Inaccurate Cliche' must have been taken when you signed up as well, then.

All pop = shite.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA taking your Irony Pills?

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by SharpShooter
:rolleyes:

The name 'Unfair and Inaccurate Cliche' must have been taken when you signed up as well, then.



:eyebrow:

Yeah, whatever.

They were the ones who compared themselves to the Beatles, not me.

[Kane's Lady]

I like a lot of the ones you all are are bashing but anyway....

I dislike Pink. I brought her CD and everything and after I read the liner notes and found out she didn't write her own stuff (I thought I heard somewhere that she did. I'm such a dip...). I just wanna throw it away :mad:

I mostly dislike the mini boy and girl bands, like the suck ass Dreamstreet and those tramps from Play. If boy/girl bands appeal to 14 year olds then these mini ones appeal to 8 and 9 years olds. Maybe younger...:barf:

It's sad the way Pop is going these days...

[Pauly]

Eric Clapton

-he really just sucks

The Rolling Stones

-Awfull.... pathetic... no talent... all these come to mind

The Beatles

-Simple... so stupid. Lyrics are crap. Overrated band of the century

Nirvana

-That whole grunge thing was just... noise. I'm glad that fool is dead.

Led Zepplin

-Worst. band. ever.

















Ok, I am joking.

[s-pac]

Oasis

The Strokes

Paul Weller

Suede

The Vines

White Stripes

The Doves

Electric Soft Parade


Any of that kinda stuff...

[SharpShooter]

All of the bands you just mentioned are well deserving of a record contract. Anyone who can write and/or play their own music deserves a recording contract a lot more than any of the manufactured crap currently doing the rounds. It takes talent to be a musician; all it takes to be a vocalist is a gimmick.

The likes of Britney Spears deserve to disappear years before bands like Electric Soft Parade.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by SharpShooter
All of the bands you just mentioned are well deserving of a record contract. Anyone who can write and/or play their own music deserves a recording contract a lot more than any of the manufactured crap currently doing the rounds. It takes talent to be a musician; all it takes to be a vocalist is a gimmick.

The likes of Britney Spears deserve to disappear years before bands like Electric Soft Parade.

I`ve never really understood this aguement.
Just because you write & play your own material does not mean that you are any good at it.

Why shouldn`t somebody with a good voice have someone else write material for them?

Plus a lot of these 'manufactured' bands have Ex pop stars write songs for them anyway.For example Atomic Kitten`s songs are written by the guy who formed OMD. Kylie Minogue`s has had songs written for her by Cathy Dennis & The bloke who used to be the guitarist in Mud. These artists wrote their own songs in their day and had hits with them so why do they lose their validity getting someone else to sing them?
Loads of so called 'real' bands use outside writers & collaberate with other artists too.

Now I don`t like any of the people i`ve mentioned above personally but they do have an audience otherwise they wouldn`t make money. And I don`t deny people the right to listen to them no matter what my personal opinion is.

There is no such thing as 'real' or 'fake' music it`s just what you like & what you don`t like.

[SharpShooter]

If you wrote a song, would you feel happy if somebody else was getting the plaudits just by having a decent voice?

[Crabby]

Keep in mind the fact that the songwriter would be making the vast majority of the profits that the song or album made. They receive a lot more than the person who performs it. Some people are just content to be songwriters, hell, you can make a damn good living that way if you're any good. Some songwriters are former recording artists themselves, often ones that don't produce much of their own material anymore. Someone like Dionne Wawick is a pretty good example of this. (Mind you, I reckon there's some Alice Cooper and Aerosmith fans who'd probably like to have her killed).

[The Myth]

Originally posted by Shane'O Mac
Eric Clapton

-he really just sucks

The Rolling Stones

-Awfull.... pathetic... no talent... all these come to mind

The Beatles

-Simple... so stupid. Lyrics are crap. Overrated band of the century

Nirvana

-That whole grunge thing was just... noise. I'm glad that fool is dead.

Led Zepplin

-Worst. band. ever.

















Ok, I am joking.

:rant:
:lol:
:blah:

I was about to kill you. Yes.

The ONLY real thing is music I hate:

Erikah Badu.

She's just a no-talent hack with a blanket on her head.

Oh and Hobbit: Bone Thugs & Harmony sang "Tha Crossroads" and that song is tight! SHEESH no one cares for the vintage stuff anymore. That was like 5th grade and shit!

[s-pac]

All of the bands you just mentioned are well deserving of a record contract. Anyone who can write and/or play their own music deserves a recording contract a lot more than any of the manufactured crap currently doing the rounds. It takes talent to be a musician; all it takes to be a vocalist is a gimmick.

The likes of Britney Spears deserve to disappear years before bands like Electric Soft Parade.

All of the bands I mentioned make me wanna puke when I hear thier music, so who gives a fuck who writes the music? I've argued this point with my friends, if you like it....Fair enough. If you don't...Fair Enough. In My Opinion none of the bands I mentioned deserve a record deal. Is that OK with you? Or do you wanna argue my opinion? Your call.

Give me Britney over The Electric Soft Parade anyday. (And NO! I'm just saying that to be awkward its my opinion.)

And dont give me any bullshit that the likes of Hear'say(I don't like Hear'say, just an example) aren't talented. They can sing. Just because there there manufactured doesn't make them crap. I see more talent in a manufactured pop band than I do Oasis and whether you agree or not..........thats my opinion.

Besides why did you pick on 'manufactured crap' did I mention that I liked that?


all it takes to be a vocalist is a gimmick.

The Guy who defends Oasis says that:rolleyes:

[Wedge]

Originally posted by SharpShooter
If you wrote a song, would you feel happy if somebody else was getting the plaudits just by having a decent voice?

Elton John doesn't write any of his own songs, and look at the success he has had over the years, him AND his songwriter. Of course, he is the most famous exception to that rule, but it does prove that you can have the best of both worlds (so to speak) when it comes to being a musician.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Crabby
Someone like Dionne Wawick is a pretty good example of this. (Mind you, I reckon there's some Alice Cooper and Aerosmith fans who'd probably like to have her killed).

I think you mean Diane Warren & yes I would like to kill her

[Headwires]

Originally posted by s-pac

Give me Britney over The Electric Soft Parade anyday. (And NO! I'm just saying that to be awkward its my opinion.)

And dont give me any bullshit that the likes of Hear'say(I don't like Hear'say, just an example) aren't talented. They can sing. Just because there there manufactured doesn't make them crap. I see more talent in a manufactured pop band than I do Oasis and whether you agree or not..........thats my opinion.

Besides why did you pick on 'manufactured crap' did I mention that I liked that?


Ah but u see the thing about Britney and Hear'say is that i know at least 10 girls who could do the same thing they do (maybe better then they do) Nowadays there are so many people that can sing well that i'd hardly call it a talent. However there arnt many people who can do what Oasis do, i'm talking write lyrics like Noel does, play the music as well as they do and sing the way Liam does (it might not be great but it fits well with the music) because that takes a hell of a lot of talent.

Oh yeah who ever said that Foo Fighters are crap on the other page needs shooting.

[Last Rider]

Music is an industry. Surely anyone who is selling records is deserving of a record contract simply because they're making money for the record company. That record company can then go out and sign lots of smaller bands that deserve exposure. Britney makes the money, thats all. We should be greatful to the likes of her. :yes:

I say close the thread now. Or am I joking (I'm not actually sure...)

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by lastrider2k1
Music is an industry. Surely anyone who is selling records is deserving of a record contract simply because they're making money for the record company. That record company can then go out and sign lots of smaller bands that deserve exposure. Britney makes the money, thats all. We should be greatful to the likes of her. :yes:

I say close the thread now. Or am I joking (I'm not actually sure...)

It`s true you know...

Did you know that the punk bands signed to EMI (Pistols , Stranglers, Wire ect) were partly due to the revinue created by Shirley Bassey`s record sales.

[Kendo_Nagasaki]

Kendos cent:

There are two types of muscisians. Sombodies sig mentions it, but I'll just expand a wee bit:

Britney et al are Entertainers. They produce a certain sound, nd if you like that, go ahead, I'll try not to hold it against you.

Other bands are artists, ones that carefully craft music for the sheer love of doing it.


The moment when you cross the boarder is where you betray your own artistic integrity with the motivation to sell more records.

Don't get me wrong, I like some Entertainment type muscicians. But I have a helluva lot more respect for a Music Artist.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by SharpShooter
All of the bands you just mentioned are well deserving of a record contract. Anyone who can write and/or play their own music deserves a recording contract a lot more than any of the manufactured crap currently doing the rounds. It takes talent to be a musician; all it takes to be a vocalist is a gimmick.

The likes of Britney Spears deserve to disappear years before bands like Electric Soft Parade.

Surely you're not referring to the Vines. Their music is catchy, but it's just a guy screaming into a microphone whilst he and his band try to ride the Strokes coatails.


Originally posted by the_right_ANGLE
Ah but u see the thing about Britney and Hear'say is that i know at least 10 girls who could do the same thing they do (maybe better then they do) Nowadays there are so many people that can sing well that i'd hardly call it a talent.

That's exactly it. It's just come down to marketting a new sex symbol or role model for younger and teenage girls. Nothing more, despite what they'll tell you.

[Last Rider]

Originally posted by Kendo_Nagasaki
Kendos cent:

There are two types of muscisians. Sombodies sig mentions it, but I'll just expand a wee bit:

His name is Zen.

[The Raven]

Blazin Squad, no question.

I may have even liked them at some point, I'm into Garage and a couple are fairly talented. BUT they made a fatal error. They covered Crossroad. Do not, I will repeat, DO NOT fuck with the classics. And if you do, don't fill it with lyrics like:

'Who's that? Get off the train,
Avirex jacket, with the poor man, with the rain
Why take that man's chain?
No more trouble made'

That was a whole verse.

Classic material, I think not.

[Bre]

Why all the hate with all the mainstream artists, Jonathon? Let me guess, all the bands you like no one's ever heard of, right?

This really doesn't fit the entire topic, because I like this band's music (some of it) but it's the lead singer and her bad attitude and lack of good live vocals that irritate me. I'm of course referring to:

Avril Lavigne. Miss "I hate Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera because they are pop artists, but I'm a ROCK STAR!" :rolleyes: Bull crap. You are everybit as poppy as Britney. "Complicated" is a pop song, or at the most a very, VERY light rock tune. And "Sk8er Boi" is in no way, shape, or form a punk/rock song. Also, it's kind of funny how she hates Britney Spears, but yet she uses numbers and internet slang in her songs like her. (Sk8er Boi, Slave 4 U) Also, she's definately not as punkish as she acts/looks. She's from freaking suberban Canada, I highly doubt she wore stained cammo pants and a tie with a tank to school. Plus, her eyeliner looks crap, and her without makeup on is SCARY...

At least with Christina, she can sing live well. Avril? She sounds like a scratchy cat. Plus, hopping around like an idiot on stage isn't that entertaining to watch.

"Oh, boo-hoo...Christina won a grammy her 1st year, yet Led Zepplin had to wait 20-blah blah years. That's bullsh*t" Hello...Christina won Best NEW Artist...keyword being "NEW"! Someone had to win the first year, and if crap like Macy Gray would've won it would've sucked more. Christina has vocal talent, get over it.

If she'd quit acting like she's the sh*t and pop artists are below her even though she at their level or below them, then I'd probably like her a whole lot more.

[Ms. Morningstar]

Britney Queers, uh Spears, and Her "Nails On A Chalkboard" Voice. Not to Metion her Dancing *CoughStrippingcough* Thing She does, What a load of Talent! :rolleyes: Some one encase her feet in a concrete block, tie her up and throw her off a Bridge. The least she could do is learn how to Act/Sing/Dance seeing how that's her career. Too bad she ain't good at it! :dead: Her clones suck too e.i.~ Christina, Mandy, Jessica, Willa, Kylie, etc.... Kill them All Shakira, I'm begging you!

[Matt E]

Atomic Kitten. Aside from making shitty covers lately, their videos are awful too.

[Headwires]

Originally posted by JerichoMania
Britney Queers, uh Spears, and Her "Nails On A Chalkboard" Voice. Not to Metion her Dancing *CoughStrippingcough* Thing She does, What a load of Talent! :rolleyes: Some one encase her feet in a concrete block, tie her up and throw her off a Bridge. The least she could do is learn how to Act/Sing/Dance seeing how that's her career. Too bad she ain't good at it! :dead: Her clones suck too e.i.~ Christina, Mandy, Jessica, Willa, Kylie, etc.... Kill them All Shakira, I'm begging you!

And there was i thinkin Shakira was just a clone of Britney. :rolleyes:

Miss F*ckin Dynamite. God she's crap, her latest song really makes me want to commit suicide. Its Dreadful. The fact that she won the Mercury award thing shows what are Music Business is coming to. Hell Idlewild and Oasis wern't even Nominated :wtf:

[Ms. Morningstar]

Shakira Has way more talent than Britney and is competely different style of Music.

[Gangers]

Hey while Avril is up, I just wanted to know what the fuck is up with this sudden surge of pop pretending to be rock?

I'm talking about The Calling, Lavigne, Busted, Natural and Nickelback :D among others

Makes you wonder, were Busted a band before a record company executive came to them and told them to sing about wanting to bang their teacher, and if so did they play that shite before they were signed? If so they would be the laughing stock of their school. Arseholes.

[Bre]

Originally posted by JerichoMania
Britney Queers, uh Spears, and Her "Nails On A Chalkboard" Voice. Not to Metion her Dancing *CoughStrippingcough* Thing She does, What a load of Talent! :rolleyes: Some one encase her feet in a concrete block, tie her up and throw her off a Bridge. The least she could do is learn how to Act/Sing/Dance seeing how that's her career. Too bad she ain't good at it! :dead: Her clones suck too e.i.~ Christina, Mandy, Jessica, Willa, Kylie, etc.... Kill them All Shakira, I'm begging you!

That's really not fair to say those girls are "clones" of her. Christina has been singing just as long as Britney...except Spears' album and single came out before her's. Kylie has been a star in the UK and Australia for a while now; she's just crossed over to the US. Willa Ford I agree is just trying to ride the single female pop trend but failed miserably, and Jessica and Mandy are now mostly acting.

Britney can really belt it out, but just doesn't. I don't know why, but she doesn't. I've heard her sing her heart out, and she's quite good. And sorry, but doing choreographed dance moves are harder than they look, and she pulls it off.

If you want to talk "nails on a chalk board", Shakira has that voice more than Britney. The whole crackley voice Shakira does in her songs is annoying. If you're going to compare Britney's voice to something bad, then say "she sings through her nose", because that's a better comparison.

And NEVER diss Christina's talent. Sure, a lot of her clothing & hair styles are crappy, but she can SING.

[InfernoKid]

Originally posted by clawz
That's really not fair to say those girls are "clones" of her. Christina has been singing just as long as Britney...except Spears' album and single came out before her's. Kylie has been a star in the UK and Australia for a while now; she's just crossed over to the US. Willa Ford I agree is just trying to ride the single female pop trend but failed miserably, and Jessica and Mandy are now mostly acting.

Britney can really belt it out, but just doesn't. I don't know why, but she doesn't. I've heard her sing her heart out, and she's quite good. And sorry, but doing choreographed dance moves are harder than they look, and she pulls it off.

If you want to talk "nails on a chalk board", Shakira has that voice more than Britney. The whole crackley voice Shakira does in her songs is annoying. If you're going to compare Britney's voice to something bad, then say "she sings through her nose", because that's a better comparison.

And NEVER diss Christina's talent. Sure, a lot of her clothing & hair styles are crappy, but she can SING.

Yeah, but they all suck. You wanna' get yourself some King Crimson.

[Bre]

Whoever that is...

and you may think they suck, but I happen to like Christina's voice and Britney has a few catchy songs. I don't listen to deep and bruding music, or people screaming into a microphone w/ a guitar schreeching out crap in the backgroud & playing it off as music, I don't search trying to find "underground" artists just so I can be "different"...

I like the music I like. I like listening to pop songs with a good beat and songs with good singers. I'm a mainstream kind of gal. I may be a "sheep" or "no taste teeny popper lover", but I don't care.

[/endrant] :)

[InfernoKid]

I like rock music with a good tune and rock songs with good singers. I'd rather they did it themselves than they went to some annoying twat of a DJ who gets paid ridiculous amounts of money to programme some sounds into a machine. I don't have anything against pop, although it's not my kind of music. What I do hate is some talentless goon getting famous just because he/she looks good doing an embarassing dance while miming to a shallow song in an incredibly cheesy pop video.

YOU SUCK! *runs away*

[Zen]

....

Yeah yeah..fact is though, these so called pop-divas are just entertainers..that's all.
Until they have control over their careers they can never be called artists of any sort.
Therefore, when it comes to music, which has always been a bastion of freedom in it's own way, these girls will always suck the biggest fat one you could possibly ever suck.
They may have some singing talent..some dancing talent..but they have no minds..they're puppets doing whatever it is their managemtn tells them to do.
How can one respect that?
Well I can't therefore they suck.
If they would all just admit to what they truly are and why they do it, I wouldn't feel the need to slag them off..cuz they'd be honest. But they actually would like the world to believe they are true artists. And that I can't take.

Some more purely sucky bands:

3 doors down
sugar ray
matchbox 20
goo goo dolls


more later..

[Bre]

:wtf: You now presume that they are all puppets with management doing everything??

Christina wrote or co-wrote every single song on her new album, she handpicked people to help her, etc. Management never handed her a song and forced her to sing it. Her management wanted her to be really wholesome and poppy at first, but look how long that lasted...about 2 months. Then the piercings, barely-there outfits, crazy hairstyles, and controversy came into play.

[InfernoKid]

And look at her now, she's still writing pointless pop with no substance whatsoever. So fuck if she writes her own songs.

Gary Barlow used to write his own songs.

[cactusmaac]

I really don't mind pop bands, even boy bands.

90% of us may hate it now but we were all listening to this kid-freindly, commercial crap when we were five or eight or whatever, not Hendrix or Metallica.

One band I wouldn;t mind see diappearing is Raging Speedhorn .

I saw them open for Rammstein a while back when they played in London and thought that while their music was toneless and mostly awful, with mindless screaming substituting for lyrical content they weren't a bad band to have on as a warmup.

Unfortunately instead of appreciating the mild applause from the part of the audience which was not a) in the bathrooms, b) getting a beer c) still to arrive, the lead singer started getting abusive and kept on ragging on the audience for not giving the band the reception they felt they warranted.

WTF?

They weren't even the main support act and by the time they finished their set had been roundly booed and pissed off a lot of potential fans.

Apparently the lead singer is a real dick off-stage too and refused to give an autograph to a fan at the Kerrang Awards for no good reason.

The sooner they disappear back from the talentless void whence they came, the better.

[Ms. Morningstar]

Originally posted by clawz
That's really not fair to say those girls are "clones" of her. Christina has been singing just as long as Britney...except Spears' album and single came out before her's. Kylie has been a star in the UK and Australia for a while now; she's just crossed over to the US. Willa Ford I agree is just trying to ride the single female pop trend but failed miserably, and Jessica and Mandy are now mostly acting.

Well when I said they were Clones I didn't actually mean they were all following Britney and trying to immitate her. I meant that They All sound a like, and have similar sounding songs and Looks. And either way I really don't like any of their Material.


Britney can really belt it out, but just doesn't. I don't know why, but she doesn't. I've heard her sing her heart out, and she's quite good. And sorry, but doing choreographed dance moves are harder than they look, and she pulls it off.

Sorry, but I Can't stand her Voice, Her Dances, or any of her songs. At all. I heard her Debut CD and every song on it annoyed the Hell out of me. IMO it was just really, really terrible. I wouldn't wnat to hear anymore of her Music. Ever. Some of her Dances probably are Hard. But alot of times shes just running her hands up and down her Body and Shaking her Ass.


If you want to talk "nails on a chalk board", Shakira has that voice more than Britney. The whole crackley voice Shakira does in her songs is annoying. If you're going to compare Britney's voice to something bad, then say "she sings through her nose", because that's a better comparison.

To me Shakira has an Ok voice and besides that I like her. Britney's Voice To me just sound really Enhanced and Unreal. and It's like she's Talking, not singing.:\


And NEVER diss Christina's talent. Sure, a lot of her clothing & hair styles are crappy, but she can SING.

Ok I'll admit that Christina can sing And does have an excellent voice. But either way Bubblegum Pop is not my kind of music. All the Songs about Boys, love, and Joy, I mean I just can't really relate to that sort of thing. And I always say "If you don't like something then you just don't understand it". So I'll be the first to Admit that I don't understand Britney or any of the Pop princesses. I don't like their voices or the Music itself.

[Zen]

Originally posted by clawz
:wtf: You now presume that they are all puppets with management doing everything??

Christina wrote or co-wrote every single song on her new album, she handpicked people to help her, etc. Management never handed her a song and forced her to sing it. Her management wanted her to be really wholesome and poppy at first, but look how long that lasted...about 2 months. Then the piercings, barely-there outfits, crazy hairstyles, and controversy came into play.


....

Look, so she may co-write some of her songs(wow), but she's still a puppet for the simple reason that yes, she may write some of her own material, but she cannot write about anything she wants. No, the label is striving for a certain demographic right now..and therefore, christina is forced to sell to that demo. She has to write songs that could potentially do that..her lable will not accpet an album if they do not like it, and will actually make certain demands upon her in order for them to hopefully reach the audience they feel chrissy should be reaching.
She really has no say in what she writes..so if she writes her own material..whatever, it doesn't matter..she's stagnated into one kind of topic..

You think if aguilera wanted to go a little more raunchy or rock or whatever..that they would allow her to? They being her label execs.
I seriously doubt it.
Once you let somebody co-credit everything you do, you're essentially not an artist in their eyes, and they will be able to force their own demands on to you. Hell it's probably in her contract too.
Whereas if a band or whatever writes everything on his own..worked up from an indie or something, he essentially now has the power to say "fuck off" to his label..they'll need that certain artist more then the artist will need the label.


So yes, aguilera would still be considered a puppet IMO.

[Bre]

Her album hasn't even come out yet, Inferno...how do you know it's pointless pop until you've heard it?

[InfernoKid]

I've heard everything else she's done, and I wasn't talking soulely about her.

[Bre]

:yes:

Her new album is different than the really kiddy pop she did on her first album. I've heard a few songs off it. It's still pop music, but it's not "oh boy I love you, baby baby" crap.

[Gangers]

Whoever said Kylie was a clone of Britney, I would say that's shite. Total crap.

Let's begin by clarifying that Kylie has been around since the mid 80s. She is certainly also more dance music than Britney. She is pop obviously, but I wouldn't call it bubblegum.

Also, Kylie has a better ass despite being about 15 years Britney's elder. :cool:

[Sabu]

Originally posted by Gangrel
Whoever said Kylie was a clone of Britney, I would say that's shite. Total crap.

Let's begin by clarifying that Kylie has been around since the mid 80s. She is certainly also more dance music than Britney. She is pop obviously, but I wouldn't call it bubblegum.

Also, Kylie has a better ass despite being about 15 years Britney's elder. :cool:
Kylie's Australian too. *hugs*

And yeah, Zen, I also hate those bands.

And anything punk. Please stop signing punk bands, punk is over and is just littered with shit. It's like, a sub-par band may write 100 songs, take the best parts out of these songs to make a pretty good song. But all's punk is 1000 songs about shit. 3 notes, non-sense making lyrics, and crap clothes.

Yeah...I just live in a place where everyone still loves punk.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by Gangrel
Whoever said Kylie was a clone of Britney, I would say that's shite. Total crap.

Let's begin by clarifying that Kylie has been around since the mid 80s. She is certainly also more dance music than Britney. She is pop obviously, but I wouldn't call it bubblegum.

Also, Kylie has a better ass despite being about 15 years Britney's elder. :cool:

Kylie's music has also changed over time from album to album. Despite being the original pop-princess, her colaborations and releases through her career actually portray her as a 'real' artist. The younger girls are pushed in a completely different manner, obviously.


Originally posted by JerichoMania
Shakira Has way more talent than Britney and is competely different style of Music.

She also parallel's Britney's image of teen sex with wild sex, which I'd prefer. ;)

[Ms. Morningstar]

They all suck.

[Vinny's Cafe]

you hate nirvana now? I remember a few months ago you jocking territoral pissing and asking what nirvana albums to buy.or are you just trying to get ATTENTION?

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Vinny's Cafe
you hate nirvana now? I remember a few months ago you jocking territoral pissing and asking what nirvana albums to buy.or are you just trying to get ATTENTION?

Maybe he checked out some of their stuff & didn`t like it.

Not everyone in the world thinks Nirvana were the greatest thing since sliced bread you know.

[SideburnZ]

Originally posted by clawz


Avril Lavigne. Miss "I hate Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera because they are pop artists, but I'm a ROCK STAR!" :rolleyes: Bull crap. You are everybit as poppy as Britney. "Complicated" is a pop song, And "Sk8er Boi" is in no way, shape, or form a punk/rock song. Also, it's kind of funny how she hates Britney Spears, but yet she uses numbers and internet slang in her songs like her. (Sk8er Boi, Slave 4 U) Also, she's definately not as punkish as she acts/looks. She's from freaking suberban Canada, I highly doubt she wore stained cammo pants and a tie with a tank to school. Plus, her eyeliner looks crap, and her without makeup on is SCARY...



All true. Plus she is a TRL whore like Britney and the others. She will forever be a TRL whore, a VMA whore and so on.

Her music sucks. Its pathetic. I cant wait to hear her new song "OMG I liek <3 u 4eva lol"

Might I add that having little boys with colored hair standing behind you playing instruments DOES NOT make you a real fucking band.

:) I'm such a bitter bastard.

[SideburnZ]

Coldplay suck ass.

In their own words "we're the Nsync its cool to like" and "Nsync fans stop being Nsync fans when they turn 16, then they're probably gonna like us...or someone else"

First of all...cool nsync? :lol:. Losers.

Second of all, "they'll like us...or someone else". Ya think?

Plus they play crap music that makes my ears cry.

Die, Coldplay, die.

[SideburnZ]

THE BEATLES!!

I cant believe I forgot to mention them.

The original boy band. Horrible music. Undeserving of all the ass kissing they recieve.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by SideburnZ
THE BEATLES!!

I cant believe I forgot to mention them.

The original boy band. Horrible music. Undeserving of all the ass kissing they recieve.

Pity that their work is the basic base for every form of rock music that can be found today, eh?. Hell, when Ozzy got started, he wanted to be a Beatle.

Oh yeah, and to my memory, most of the earlier rock 'n' roll acts where basically boy-bands, but with far more depth.

[SideburnZ]

And none of what you said changes the fact that I find their music to be horrible (as previously stated).

;)

[Smiddy]

To each man his own then, since I don't really have any fanfare for that 'Tool' band. :)

[SideburnZ]

People seem to get offended when I show my disliking of Beatles (not saying you were). I've noticed that a lot of times they'll mention something I do like and say how they dont like it. As if to battle me with disliking of bands.

"I dont like the beatles"
Them: "Yeah, well I dont like Korn!"

O_o

Anyways, I love Tool. :yes:

[the mexican]

Tool = (Y)

[Headwires]

I F*cking hate Gareth Gay and Will Young. They've took a classic song and made is sound so f*cking horrible its unbelivable. Little by Little should be at no.1, not that crap fest.

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I hate anyone who I don't have respect for or don't like.

Can't get much more definite than that.

[Matt E]

Originally posted by the_right_ANGLE
I F*cking hate Gareth Gay and Will Young. They've took a classic song and made is sound so f*cking horrible its unbelivable. Little by Little should be at no.1, not that crap fest.


The charts are so full of shit it's depressing.. wasn't long ago where all the top 3 songs were covers. Don't they have better things to do than take good songs and make shite covers of them?

[Kris]

Gareth Gates covered Suspicious Minds :rant:

[Moz]

YES - Hear'Say split up!

I hope this is the demise of tv manufactured bands.

And the Gates cover of Suspicious Minds is exceedingly bad, and his Elvis impression is even worse.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Mo
YES - Hear'Say split up!

I hope this is the demise of tv manufactured bands.

And the Gates cover of Suspicious Minds is exceedingly bad, and his Elvis impression is even worse.

Those pop bands never demise ... they just get replaced by a younger model.

I found it funny that hearsay are not splitting mearly 'keeping a low profile' as if they can get it any lower.

I think the last straw was when they were booed offstage supporting the Tweenies. Can you really get any lower than that?

[Kendo_Nagasaki]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
I think the last straw was when they were booed offstage supporting the Tweenies. Can you really get any lower than that?

Not without the use of some paint on latex, a sheep and a helluva lot of lubricant.

[TheSheik]

I would give a year of my life to throw a flaming brick at DAVE MATTHEW's face. Ever since I first hear that piece of crap single 'Crash' I have despised him in the worst of ways. His music, to me of course, is painful to my ears and unentertaining in every way. And what makes it worse are is 'it's cool to like dave matthews fans'. No, not all of them, just the fake ones. The 'Yeah, I'm going to the Dave concert this Saturday' because it's 'cool' to go see dave. Drives me bananas. :barf:

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by TheSheik
I would give a year of my life to throw a flaming brick at DAVE MATTHEW's face. Ever since I first hear that piece of crap single 'Crash' I have despised him in the worst of ways. His music, to me of course, is painful to my ears and unentertaining in every way. And what makes it worse are is 'it's cool to like dave matthews fans'. No, not all of them, just the fake ones. The 'Yeah, I'm going to the Dave concert this Saturday' because it's 'cool' to go see dave. Drives me bananas. :barf:

Change Dave Matthews to the bloke in Weezer & change the single to Buddy Holly & i agree with every word. :p

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
The Vines.

I'll admit, I've only heard their debut single, but that, along with everything else I've heard surrounding them, I can't believe it. I've heard that the Vines are 'the future of rock music,' and are 'the perfect synthesis of Nirvana and the Beatles.' Whilst I can understand how they made the comparison, their music sounds awful, especially the vocalist.
Speaking of their frontman, In a short interview about their hairstyles (basically the same as the Strokes and other newcomers) he said he cuts it himself because he doesn't want to go out and pay money for others to cut his hair, and interact with other people. He also said the group didn't want to make a music video, but only did because it's a standard among artists in the mainstream. This guy is obviously trying to be some kind of tragic 'artist,' and individual and rebelling type. I'm not buying.

Okay, here's something to add. Last week, the Foo Fighters did a live performance at Channel [V] Headquarters, a venue you'll know of if you're from Australia. They drew a huge crowd for the very small amount of people the place is supposed to hold, and pulled off a great set.
Anyway, in between songs, Dave Grohl and the group were playing a bit that mixed one of their songs into the other. Out of thin air, Grohl broke into the chorus of Hot in Herre, by Nelly. It was extremely cool.

The next week, the Vines performed at the same venue. What did they do? They performed a cover of Ms. Jackson by Outkast. A full cover, of a relatively recent pop hip-hop/ rap track, whilst the last week, the Foo Fighters only played out the hook of the track they used. :mad: Now is the point where we all read between the lines, and dislike this new wave of rock music.

[Benpas]

dude the worst of all is Avril Lavigne

she thinks shes original

[Adamy]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
Okay, here's something to add. Last week, the Foo Fighters did a live performance at Channel [V] Headquarters, a venue you'll know of if you're from Australia. They drew a huge crowd for the very small amount of people the place is supposed to hold, and pulled off a great set.
Anyway, in between songs, Dave Grohl and the group were playing a bit that mixed one of their songs into the other. Out of thin air, Grohl broke into the chorus of Hot in Herre, by Nelly. It was extremely cool.

The next week, the Vines performed at the same venue. What did they do? They performed a cover of Ms. Jackson by Outkast. A full cover, of a relatively recent pop hip-hop/ rap track, whilst the last week, the Foo Fighters only played out the hook of the track they used. :mad: Now is the point where we all read between the lines, and dislike this new wave of rock music.

A) Before passing judgement, you should probably know that the "Ms. Jackson" cover has been part of their set for a long time.

B) What, exactly, is your point here? I honestly can't discern one...

[Reech]

I think his point is that the Vines have tried to copy the Foo's in that set.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by Adamy
A) Before passing judgement, you should probably know that the "Ms. Jackson" cover has been part of their set for a long time.

B) What, exactly, is your point here? I honestly can't discern one...

a) I wasn't sure, but I did consider that. I just felt it was questionable, a week after the Foo Figthers did the same thing.

b) Read the post above mine, and below yours. I was reading between the lines, with what knowledge of the situation I have.

[Crabby]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
Change Dave Matthews to the bloke in Weezer & change the single to Buddy Holly & i agree with every word. :p

Ha, your Weezer hating is always interesting, man.


Originally posted by smiddy3:16
Okay, here's something to add. Last week, the Foo Fighters did a live performance at Channel [V] Headquarters, a venue you'll know of if you're from Australia. They drew a huge crowd for the very small amount of people the place is supposed to hold, and pulled off a great set.
Anyway, in between songs, Dave Grohl and the group were playing a bit that mixed one of their songs into the other. Out of thin air, Grohl broke into the chorus of Hot in Herre, by Nelly. It was extremely cool.

The next week, the Vines performed at the same venue. What did they do? They performed a cover of Ms. Jackson by Outkast. A full cover, of a relatively recent pop hip-hop/ rap track, whilst the last week, the Foo Fighters only played out the hook of the track they used. :mad: Now is the point where we all read between the lines, and dislike this new wave of rock music.

I was at that show. Pretty cool for a free gig, I must say. It was pretty amusing when Dave asked for his thousand bucks.

When it comes to bands that I can't stand, two automtically spring to mind- Silverchair and The Vines. I've explained my hatred for Silverchair numerous times before, so I won't go there again anyway.

I don't know what it is exactly, but The Vines really, really grate on me. This whole "greatest band in the world" and "the saviours of rock" schtick really annoys me. The whole image pisses me off, and I can't stand their music, it is boring, repetitive, unimaginative, wannabe classic, supposed "garage" rock from a band with a vocalist who thinks he's Kurt Cobain, and just seems like a real tool and isn't particularly talented vocally. Their lyrics are often stupid, and are not doing anything new, yet have this massive PR machine pushing their supposed originality,greatest band image, when they aren't a patch on some of the legendary bands that they are compared to. Grrrrrrr, they irritate me.

[Smiddy]

Crabby, ever noticed that we both have pretty much the exact same likes and dislikes in music? We both seem to like and dislike the same stuff . . .

[GameOver!]

Avril and her shit band. They make the foo fighters sound good..


..THE FOO FIGHTERS for fuck's sake!

[Adamy]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
a) I wasn't sure, but I did consider that. I just felt it was questionable, a week after the Foo Figthers did the same thing.

b) Read the post above mine, and below yours. I was reading between the lines, with what knowledge of the situation I have.

I guess it was just a weird coincidence.

No offense or anything, you just weren't stating it directly and I was too tired to read into things.

[Smiddy]

I understand, I just thought your were stemming from our bad blood over the greatest one-hit wonder of all time, which was why I went for a blunt approach there.

[Crabby]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
Crabby, ever noticed that we both have pretty much the exact same likes and dislikes in music? We both seem to like and dislike the same stuff . . .

We do seem to have fairly similar tastes (particularly our mutual hate of Silverchair), yep, though I'm not a Linkin Park fan. You do like Faith No More, and others, and they fucking rule. You should check out bands like Alice In Chains, Jerry Cantrell, White Zombie and Pantera, if you haven't already.

[Smiddy]

Just so you know, I already own La Sexorcisto and Astro-Creep: 2000. http://www.rajahwwf.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Kendo_Nagasaki]

Originally posted by Crabby
Pantera

*marks out*

[BrocksDaddy]

I can't think of a bigger waste of record store space than Jay-Z.

[BuhBuh]

Papa Roach
Nelly

[Crabby]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
Just so you know, I already own La Sexorcisto and Astro-Creep: 2000. http://www.rajahwwf.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

I never thought much of La Sexorcisto, but I own Astrocreep:2000, it is quality.

[Ronald McDonald]

Ludacris = Worst rapper ever.

[Romford Pele]

Celine Dion - Oh, if murder was legal.

[Sweet Stan]

Rather than start a new thread on this i`ll post it in here.(Plus it wasn`t worth one)

GMTV have just described the boyband Blue as ......

"Cutting edge street sounds"

:rolleyes: :wtf: :confused:

[Warlock]

I can't stand Eddie Vedders voice. Pearl Jam = :yes: music, :no::no: vocals. Theres about one or two songs (Better Man in particular) that I do enjoy, but for the most part, I cannot fucking listen to him..... yeah, it supposed to be depressing an shit, but damn. DAYMN. oh, and he's an arrogant prick too.

Also, every single band that has two words in their name, the first being 'THE' *insert vines, strokes, white stripes, beatles etc*

[Adamy]

Originally posted by Warlock
Also, every single band that has two words in their name, the first being 'THE' *insert vines, strokes, white stripes, beatles etc*

The Beatles haven't had a record contract since 1970.

And the White Stripes have three words in their name.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Adamy
The Beatles haven't had a record contract since 1970.



Who`s been putting out all those compilations & Reissues then?

[Adamy]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
Who`s been putting out all those compilations & Reissues then?

The group doesn't have a contract binding them to record new material.

You knew what I meant.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Adamy
The Beatles haven't had a record contract since 1970.

And the White Stripes have three words in their name.

That has absolutely no relevance to the fact that I dont like them (The Beatles that is) I know the thread title says record contract blah blah, but really...

And Shush, no-one likes a nit-picker :)

[Adamy]

Originally posted by Warlock
That has absolutely no relevance to the fact that I dont like them (The Beatles that is) I know the thread title says record contract blah blah, but really...

Out of curiosity, how much of the Beatles' material have you heard?

[Warlock]

Out of curiosity, how much of the Beatles' material have you heard?

Far from everything they've ever put out, but enough to come to the conclusion that I don't like them. :p

That may not mean alot to you or anyone else, but I do take my music pretty seriously, I'm not just drawing conclusions from hearing one or two songs.

[Adamy]

Originally posted by Warlock
Far from everything they've ever put out, but enough to come to the conclusion that I don't like them. :p

That may not mean alot to you or anyone else, but I do take my music pretty seriously, I'm not just drawing conclusions from hearing one or two songs.

I only ask because there are some pretty dodgy Beatles songs out there... like, if I all I had ever heard was songs like "A Taste Of Honey," "Mr. Moonlight," and "Revolution 9," I'd hate the Beatles with a passion. But I would highly encourage you to just sit and listen to the entirety of Sgt. Pepper's before you pass judgement.

Or maybe you have, and so long as you're opinion is informed, I'll respect it.

[Zen]

Originally posted by Adamy
I only ask because there are some pretty dodgy Beatles songs out there... like, if I all I had ever heard was songs like "A Taste Of Honey," "Mr. Moonlight," and "Revolution 9," I'd hate the Beatles with a passion. But I would highly encourage you to just sit and listen to the entirety of Sgt. Pepper's before you pass judgement.

Or maybe you have, and so long as you're opinion is informed, I'll respect it.

...

Not to mention the god-awful "yellow submarine".

[Bre]

Originally posted by NatureBoy
Celine Dion - Oh, if murder was legal.

:lol:

She's not worthy of a contract...why?

[Adamy]

Originally posted by Zen
...

Not to mention the god-awful "yellow submarine".

Yeah... Revolver would be just about the best album ever if that song wasn't on it.

[Zen]

Originally posted by Adamy
Yeah... Revolver would be just about the best album ever if that song wasn't on it.


....

I agree.

[Kris]

Theory of a Deadman make me want to flay my body and roll in salt.

[y2jayjk]

Eminem, Avril Lavigne, and Pink...

They are all fake...its sickening

[Tranny]

Originally posted by y2jayjk
Eminem

They are all fake...its sickening

Eminem isn't fake..he's just a pussy

[Smiddy]

Personally, I just find Eminem to be either too childish or too self-centred in most of his music. Yes, I get the point, you hate your mother, you don't have to mention it every second song, okay Marshall?

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
Personally, I just find Eminem to be either too childish or too self-centred in most of his music. Yes, I get the point, you hate your mother, you don't have to mention it every second song, okay Marshall? The guy is a year older than me & everytime i hear him whining about his mummy I just shake my head & think 'For god sake grow up'

The guy is a 15 year old trapped in a man who`s twice his age

[Kendo_Nagasaki]

He knows the demographic he's going for and he lays up to it.

So in fact, he has no artistic integrity either. What a guy...

[nirvana420]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Eminem, Staind, Linkin Park, Puddle Of Mudd, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Nelly, Tool, Lifehouse, matchbox twenty, POD, Adema, Ashanti, Beyonce Knowles, Nirvana, and Pink.

*Adds those people to the "People I need to kill" list.*

whats wrong with korn,nirvana,pod, puudle of mudd,tool,?

[nirvana420]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Nirvana suck.


you sucks!

[Gangers]

Originally posted by Adamy
The Beatles haven't had a record contract since 1970.

And the White Stripes have three words in their name.

ZING!

Anyway, Theory Of A Deadman....don't you mean Nickelback? Same band.

[Black Eagle]

Theory of a Deadman is a match to Scott Strapps voice, mixed in with the music of Nickelback.

[Zen]

.....

Right and watch theory of a deadman's video..he also ACTS and has the exact same mannerisms of chad kroeger. Like I said chad signed the band up to his own label..I guess being just like chad is a requirement.

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
Rather than start a new thread on this i`ll post it in here.(Plus it wasn`t worth one)

GMTV have just described the boyband Blue as ......

"Cutting edge street sounds"

:rolleyes: :wtf: :confused:


:lol:, Oh man. I'm never generally up that early to see but...:lol: anyway.

Here's my list. (I won't include any self-admitting pop acts as it's obvious, and I still get to rant about avril)


Limp Bizkit-Well....they just suck, they got worse and worse, and Fred didn't help.
Slipknot-Pft, just really, really awful
Papa Roach-see above
Korn-see above
*Insert all nu metal bands here and add see above*
Corpse Vomit-They just.....suck


I'll edit later.

[NiMMERS]

Anal Cunt :D

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by NiMMERS
Anal Cunt :D

They dont' exist no more so:p

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Gangrel
ZING!

:ashamed:

:cry:

[nirvana420]

Originally posted by y2jayjk
Eminem, Avril Lavigne, and Pink...

They are all fake...its sickening


JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST I FUCKING LOATHE EMINEM I WISH HE WOULD JUST DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

oh, pink and avaril too....:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Adamy]

Originally posted by nirvana420
JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST

You should find an animated .gif of Jesus tapdancing, and post it whenever you say that.

[Ms. Morningstar]

TapDancing Jesus = Ratings! :yes:

[Necrostar]

kelly Osbourne :blah:

[bobster]

It's weird how most of you put people like Eminem, Pink and Avril Lavigne down, but there all top selling artists and very successful - so surely they deserve a record contract?

I know if I was a record company exec, I wouldnt hesitate to sign any of them 3.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital
It's weird how most of you put people like Eminem, Pink and Avril Lavigne down, but there all top selling artists and very successful - so surely they deserve a record contract?

I know if I was a record company exec, I wouldnt hesitate to sign any of them 3.

I agree when it comes to Eminem, but in the cases of Pink and Avril Lavigne, you could most likely dress up any girl and hand them their gimmicks and it would still work. It is pop after all.

[Tranny]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital
It's weird how most of you put people like Eminem, Pink and Avril Lavigne down, but there all top selling artists and very successful - so surely they deserve a record contract?

I know if I was a record company exec, I wouldnt hesitate to sign any of them 3.


I'd sign them too. They sell records.

Avril doesn't have to be talented to sell records. There are plenty of pre-pubescent boys out there willing to buy her records based on her "sex appeal", or lack there of.

As for pink, see above. Although I believe she may have more talent than Avril, but don't quote me on that.

Eminem puts on an image, of being baddass, of not caring what people think, and of being the ultimate rebel. He does have talent. Unfortunately, he also writes extremely cheesy rap..pop..err,songs, as well.

[SideburnZ]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital
It's weird how most of you put people like Eminem, Pink and Avril Lavigne down, but there all top selling artists and very successful - so surely they deserve a record contract?

I know if I was a record company exec, I wouldnt hesitate to sign any of them 3.

Being popular with teens does not = good.

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital
It's weird how most of you put people like Eminem, Pink and Avril Lavigne down, but there all top selling artists and very successful - so surely they deserve a record contract?

I know if I was a record company exec, I wouldnt hesitate to sign any of them 3.

Bobby, I am going to reveal a truth to you

....they had their record deals before they were top selling artists.

DUN DUN DUN!

[bobster]

Originally posted by SideburnZ
Being popular with teens does not = good.


No but it does = much profitability for record companies, therefore worthy of having a record contract.

As for them having a record deal before they were top selling artists, then surely they must have some talent.

[Tranny]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital
No but it does = much profitability for record companies, therefore worthy of having a record contract.

As for them having a record deal before they were top selling artists, then surely they must have some talent.

They are worthy, yes, but deserving is a different story.

And yeah, I know what you're saying. You'd think it'd mean that they'd have some talent. But then came Avril.

[SideburnZ]

Then came Avril?

Lets not forget Britney Spears, Nsync, Backstreet Boys, O-Town, 98 degrees all the way back to New Kids on the Block.

[Tranny]

Yeah, but avril was the first name to come to mind.

and she sucks.

:mad:

[Ms. Morningstar]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
I agree when it comes to Eminem, but in the cases of Pink and Avril Lavigne, you could most likely dress up any girl and hand them their gimmicks and it would still work. It is pop after all.

Not all their fans like or care about the kind of person they are or whatever gimmicks they have, though. Who really cares how they act All that matters to me is whether or not I like their songs/albums, what's wrong with liking their music?

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by JerichoMania
what's wrong with liking their music?

Nothing in particular, but remember their music is as big a part of their gimmick as their image is.

[SideburnZ]

And also it usually sucks.

[Tranny]

Yeah, the sucks part is a pretty big part of it. :yes:


But hey, listen to what you want..nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with me saying that avril sucks, either. :\

[Idioteque]

avril is decent looking enough.


god knows i'd do her.

but the fact is, she is a product. she is the new "backlash" to pop.. it's pop with a heart.... like.. self-conscious pop..

but the thing is... it's still not art... there is no art when consumerism plays that big a role.. the fact is, even my favorite "artists" are not artists in the truest sense of the word... they are postmodern artists.. art married with consumerism..

it's not art on mtv anymore.. it's artificiality.

i don't know if art can exist in this country at the level of capitalism we've come to practice... that's one of the great debates i've been mulling over in my head for awhile now.

so, in conclusion.. the kid writes decent pop hooks.. she's a product, but i don't fault her for it... that's all you really can be in mainstream music anymore.. and no one has come along to change that yet... so if you don't expect your music to be art, i'd rather you listen to her than say christina aguillera...

*shrug*

just devil's advocate, i guess...

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Idioteque



avril is decent looking enough.


god knows i'd do her.

but the fact is, she is a product. she is the new "backlash" to pop.. it's pop with a heart.... like.. self-conscious pop..

but the thing is... it's still not art... there is no art when consumerism plays that big a role.. the fact is, even my favorite "artists" are not artists in the truest sense of the word... they are postmodern artists.. art married with consumerism..

it's not art on mtv anymore.. it's artificiality.

i don't know if art can exist in this country at the level of capitalism we've come to practice... that's one of the great debates i've been mulling over in my head for awhile now.

so, in conclusion.. the kid writes decent pop hooks.. she's a product, but i don't fault her for it... that's all you really can be in mainstream music anymore.. and no one has come along to change that yet... so if you don't expect your music to be art, i'd rather you listen to her than say christina aguillera...

*shrug*

just devil's advocate, i guess... That has to be one of the most eloquently written pieces of fence sitting I have ever read

[Ms. Morningstar]

Originally posted by SideburnZ
And also it usually sucks.

In your opinion...

[Tranny]

Originally posted by JerichoMania
In your opinion...


haha, you aren't going to win this one ;). BurnZy is as stubborn about his taste in music as anyone you'll meet.

Me, on the other hand, I used to like her, don't anymore. Just my taste in music that changed, nothing else.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

No one can deny that Complicated had a cracking chorus hook. Catchiest ever.

[SideburnZ]

It sucked though. It wasnt an enjoyable song at all. The artist who made the song is steaming pile of fake shit.

Getting suck in your head doesnt make for a good song.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Good pop song.

[Idioteque]

i'd rather hear her talking about something that she seams halfway sincere about than listen to xtina or whatever she goes by these days talk about how her new album is "more honest" just b/c she's taking off more clothes..

i swear, the girl starts fucking minorities and she thinks she's found some sort of enlightenment.

either way, it's catchy, and that's all pop ever claimed to be... it's improving... i think some people just like to have something to complain about.. it gives them a feeling of integrity for "hating" the bad pop and "liking" what they feel is a better type of music.

a) that's just your insecurity showing through in your musical tastes.
b) most people don't have the musical knowledge to distinguish what is really completely fake from what tries very hard not to be.

if you like incubus and hate avril, there's no difference.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Idioteque




a) that's just your insecurity showing through in your musical tastes.
b) most people don't have the musical knowledge to distinguish what is really completely fake from what tries very hard not to be.



a. People are allowed to like whatever they choose and hate whatever they like for whatever reason they like ... there`s no rules to liking music. Peoples music tastes is just that THEIR taste in music .. not yours.

b. I`d say on the whole nobody cares, A band could be in it for the money or be in it to change the world I couldn`t give a flying fuck either way , if I like the song i`ll buy it. Fake music is a myth, All songs have to be written , produced & sung no matter who it`s by & it`s just personal taste as to wether it`s any good or not

[Idioteque]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
a. People are allowed to like whatever they choose and hate whatever they like for whatever reason they like ... there`s no rules to liking music. Peoples music tastes is just that THEIR taste in music .. not yours.

b. I`d say on the whole nobody cares, A band could be in it for the money or be in it to change the world I couldn`t give a flying fuck either way , if I like the song i`ll buy it. Fake music is a myth, All songs have to be written , produced & sung no matter who it`s by & it`s just personal taste as to wether it`s any good or not




a) you missed the point of A. i was talking about the way people convey their musical tastes, attempting to give them integrity they really don't have. i wasn't talking about rules to liking music. i was talking about ignorant people attempting to appear knowledgable so that no one finds out how little they really know.
therefore - insecurity defines musical tastes.

b) you're generalizing far too much, probably you haven't a clue what you're talking about. if you think you can actually hang, then we can talk music. but i severely doubt you can, so i'm not going to waste a whole lot of my time with it just yet.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Idioteque



a) you missed the point of A. i was talking about the way people convey their musical tastes, attempting to give them integrity they really don't have. i wasn't talking about rules to liking music. i was talking about ignorant people attempting to appear knowledgable so that no one finds out how little they really know.
therefore - insecurity defines musical tastes.

b) you're generalizing far too much, probably you haven't a clue what you're talking about. if you think you can actually hang, then we can talk music. but i severely doubt you can, so i'm not going to waste a whole lot of my time with it just yet.

a You don`t need knowledge to like a tune . You may describe people as ignorant but how do you know they are. If I was to for example say that I hate Radiohead (I don`t but for sake of arguement I do now) How would you know if I decided i disliked them by listening to their music & deciding that they are not for me or if I were to just blindly slag of everything they did as crap.You couldn`t because no matter what reason I have at the end of it I still find them crap.

b. well done on totally ignoring every point I made & just start slagging me off. I`m not here to justify myself to you, if your just going to come out with insults & put down then why bother.Some of us are here to talk music wether it`s to your tastes or not.

[Idioteque]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
a You don`t need knowledge to like a tune . You may describe people as ignorant but how do you know they are. If I was to for example say that I hate Radiohead (I don`t but for sake of arguement I do now) How would you know if I decided i disliked them by listening to their music & deciding that they are not for me or if I were to just blindly slag of everything they did as crap.You couldn`t because no matter what reason I have at the end of it I still find them crap.

b. well done on totally ignoring every point I made & just start slagging me off. I`m not here to justify myself to you, if your just going to come out with insults & put down then why bother.Some of us are here to talk music wether it`s to your tastes or not.




i've seen you post... i know how have at least above average knowledge on musical subjects... so i'd rather not go back and forth on generalizations here when we might actually have an interesting debate...

and i'll probably tick you off in the debate... but not every argument has to make nice, know? not like i'm calling you a dick..

if you're going to talk musical taste, as opposed to musical quality and whether or not a band is actually striving to achieve something near "art" in this consumer-driven music industry, or if they are just attempting to sell records and run their band as a business establishment... well then that's an old argument and it only leads to impasse...

b/c yes, musical taste is subjective... but people attempt to make the case that music is subjective, and honestly, i don't think that's true... i don't think art is subjective.. i think there are certain things, certain ideals and talents and passions, that make art truer or better or whatever you'd like to call it...

the idea of art being a totally subjective form is a very new and postmodern idea... and i always tend to severely doubt and question anything postmodern in origin...

ah well.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Idioteque



b/c yes, musical taste is subjective... but people attempt to make the case that music is subjective, and honestly, i don't think that's true... i don't think art is subjective.. i think there are certain things, certain ideals and talents and passions, that make art truer or better or whatever you'd like to call it...

ah well.

I see what you`re saying but I beleive there is a place for everything. To appreciate what is good there has to be bad to compare it with. Plus i`ve always thought of my own tastes as a progression. Back when I was younger I listened to some really horrible records,however once I got into that artist i`d find out their influences & check those bands out & then after that i`d find other bands influenced by those artists & then i`d check out their other influences & so on & so forth.
Doing that I gradually got an idea of what was good & what was bad & found myself going back & forth through the musical spectrum.
My point is you need the so called corporate artists to get people hooked into music in the first place. 7 year old kids don`t listen to Miles Davis or Radiohead(well none I know of) they listen to S club 7 & Gareth Gates,simple music they can sing & dance to.After that the ones who like music will gradually go through what I did & the whole chain starts again

[Deathcow]

I absolutely cant STAND Nelly.
I hate Limp Bizkit.
I hate Radiohead.
Coldplay should just be executed.
Justified should be thrown off a cliff onto pointy rocks, or as my brother said, they should stab a red hot poker down his throat to stop the noise.

I hate Justin Timberlake so much....
Not To mention every boy band known to man...

[Ringo]

Why do you hate Radiohead and Coldplay, Deathcow ? You Should Say Why You Know....

[Ms. Morningstar]

I`d say on the whole nobody cares, A band could be in it for the money or be in it to change the world I couldn`t give a flying fuck either way , if I like the song i`ll buy it. Fake music is a myth, All songs have to be written , produced & sung no matter who it`s by & it`s just personal taste as to wether it`s any good or not

He said it right there everything I've ever been saying in this forum. :heart:

[Unbodied]

Liking music and appreciating music are different things. Most people confuse them. Don't. Thank you.

[Simon]

Cut the pretentious, arrogant and patronising crap. Thank you.

Liking music and appreciating music are not necessarily different things. I suppose I must be 'ignorant' or something, eh? :nono:

[Unbodied]

Originally posted by HB2K3
Cut the pretentious, arrogant and patronising crap. Thank you.

Liking music and appreciating music are not necessarily different things. I suppose I must be 'ignorant' or something, eh? :nono: Heh. Too much coffee man?

[Croc]

Music isn't subjective. There's a fine line between abstract art and complete crap, and just because you see sitcoms and cartoons with people bringing in paintings that their dog did and having it praised as a work of art doesn't mean that any of it's good. It just means a lot of times people can't tell the difference because they're ignorant to what makes art (and music) actually good. Granted for each person this reason is different in its own way, but in the end there are certain facets such as talent (both with the instrument and with words) and emotion that seperate the truely great work from the crap. Some bands have it, and some don't, and that is why we can say that some groups just plain... suck ;)

[Ms. Morningstar]

It'll still be that person's opinion whether or not the Artist sucks, not a fact.

[maxx powerz]

Ask someone who likes classical music and thinks all rock music is just noise what they think of Tool. A classical composer might tell you that Queens of the Stone Age is crap, and how are you going to argue with someone using classical as a measuring stick. To some people, the music that you so define as "art" is just noise. Face it, good music is an opinion, not a fact.

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by maxx powerz
good music is an opinion, not a fact.

No.

[Croc]

Good music = opinion.

Bad music = opinion & fact

That's the point I was making. Sure everyone has their own opinions, but there's a point where music stops being "an aquired taste" and starts just plain sucking. Most people can determine this quite easily.

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Wouldn't you agree good music is part opinion too?
Like, I'm not all that into classical or anything, but if I hear any. I could say "Oh, that's good" without liking it or wanting to hear it again.

[man_on_a_mission]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan

My point is you need the so called corporate artists to get people hooked into music in the first place. 7 year old kids don`t listen to Miles Davis or Radiohead(well none I know of) they listen to S club 7 & Gareth Gates,simple music they can sing & dance to.After that the ones who like music will gradually go through what I did & the whole chain starts again

Really?

Last time I took a check the kids on our strange little island were listening to Linkin Park, Slipknot and all the other fairies in boiler suits prancing around and playing at being rock bands! We've turned into a nation of psuedo mini-moshers! :D

Seriously. You are right though, its the record labels that get the kids into music and its only the ones that appreciate music as an art form that move on to genuine bands and recording artists. You can't expect a 7 year old to have any grasp of subjects like commercialisation and exploitation???

But music is subjective, what is gobbledegook to one person can be deeply soulful and say something genuinely profound to someone else. No-one is high and mighty enough to definitevely decide that everyone should view a piece of music or a band/artist as being rubbish

Personally I think that all rap and r&b is garbage and I think that Sum 41 are the worst band I have ever had the misfortune to listen to in my 19 years on this planet.

My favourite band is Green Day, who I was under the impression were the most popular punk/ punk-influenced band on earth, but the majority of people I encounter on these boards think their crap. Its subjective like I say. One person might hate something and another can have a deep emotional tie to it.

But then thats just my opinion.

Bands I "personally" (emphasis) think are a heap of stinking turd are as follows...


Sum 41
Limp Bizkit
Linkin Park
Slipknot
Radiohead (pretentious)
Tool (even more pretentious)
Any manufactured pop act (Will Young etc)
Any Rap (especially white people rapping such as Eminem)
Gwar (profoundly stupid)
Insane Clown Posse (for there input to the wrestling business)


But as I say thats my opinion and I would never be self important enough to say that someone should stop/start listening to any music just because of my viewpoint in relation to it.

[Justin-Credible]

Only person i hate in the music buissness ism Eminem because his talent is ryming faggot 90% of the time.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Justin-Credible
Only person i hate in the music buissness ism Eminem because his talent is ryming faggot 90% of the time. Now had you written that using the proper grammar & had not resorted to using homosexuality as an insult I would have agreed with you.
You`re giving us Eminem haters a bad name with crap comments like that.

I shan`t even ask what you think he is the other 10% of the time

[Unbodied]

Originally posted by man_on_a_mission
Really?

Last time I took a check the kids on our strange little island were listening to Linkin Park, Slipknot and all the other fairies in boiler suits prancing around and playing at being rock bands! We've turned into a nation of psuedo mini-moshers! :D

Seriously. You are right though, its the record labels that get the kids into music and its only the ones that appreciate music as an art form that move on to genuine bands and recording artists. You can't expect a 7 year old to have any grasp of subjects like commercialisation and exploitation???

But music is subjective, what is gobbledegook to one person can be deeply soulful and say something genuinely profound to someone else. No-one is high and mighty enough to definitevely decide that everyone should view a piece of music or a band/artist as being rubbish

Personally I think that all rap and r&b is garbage and I think that Sum 41 are the worst band I have ever had the misfortune to listen to in my 19 years on this planet.

My favourite band is Green Day, who I was under the impression were the most popular punk/ punk-influenced band on earth, but the majority of people I encounter on these boards think their crap. Its subjective like I say. One person might hate something and another can have a deep emotional tie to it.

But then thats just my opinion.

Bands I "personally" (emphasis) think are a heap of stinking turd are as follows...


Radiohead (pretentious)
Tool (even more pretentious)



But as I say thats my opinion and I would never be self important enough to say that someone should stop/start listening to any music just because of my viewpoint in relation to it. I love this.

Have you ever stopped to think that it's POSSIBLE that these bands really DO make profound music and that you just don't understand it?

[Simon]

Originally posted by man_on_a_mission

Bands I "personally" (emphasis) think are a heap of stinking turd are as follows...

Any Rap (especially white people rapping such as Eminem)


Ignorant in so many ways, and on so many levels.

Strange how ignorance of this level can bring together fans of different genres of music in a way that intelligence could never do...for once, I agree with Imaged & Words...

[Kris]

However, surely ignorance is not an issue in this thread as it is merely a place to rant about people who are, in the opinion of the individual, not very good.

[Simon]

Dismissal of an artist you've actually heard is fair enough, dismissing an entire genre and claiming all it's inhabitants as 'a heap of stinking turd' is totally invalid, because he hasn't heard a lot of it...in general, I don't like metal, but I'll hear the odd song that I like. I don't like country music at all, but I like some old Kenny Rogers song. His comments are literally ignorant, as he has no knowledge of what he speaks...he is claiming some music to be crap without having ever heard of it.

[Kris]

You just contradicted yourself twice by saying that you don't like metal, but you like the odd song, and the same with country. Why bother with genres, split yo shit into stuff you like, and stuff you don't. Don't make judgements on what you haven't heard, never close horizons, remember, this thread isn't aimed at whole sections of music, but at artists.

By the way Simon, that mismash rant was aimed at everyone, I think, depending on whether it made sense or not, if not, it does not exist, never did, and never will.

[Simon]

Isn't that what I just said Kris? That while I don't like the metal genre in general, I don't dismiss it because I know there are some songs I like...this guy just dismisses the entire genre and all those who are a part of it, when he hasn't heard them. And I'm not even going to start on the second part of what he says on rap music.

[Kris]

Yeah, but shush :p

[man_on_a_mission]

Originally posted by HB2K3
Ignorant in so many ways, and on so many levels.

Strange how ignorance of this level can bring together fans of different genres of music in a way that intelligence could never do...for once, I agree with Imaged & Words...

I stated an opinion I didn't make a defining statement.

In my opinion all rap music is garbage, its not what I like, its not what i'm into and I don't have a faintest hint of respect for any of the rap music I have had the distinct misfortune to have listened to.

Added to that I am firmly of the belief that within the genre there exists certain "artists", to coin the phrase very loosely who's ambition is not to bring pleasure or make a sincere statement to their audience but to undermine and degrade western culture by promoting the very worst aspects of urban violence and inciting hatred towards others. (Watch me get criticized now)

I think that this genre is idiotic, stupid and in some ways repulsive and I am totally convinced that if tomorrow these acts were dropped by their record labels the world would have cause to rejoice.

This is my opinion and I stand by it. I don't wish to enforce my opinion onto anyone else or present my view as the gospel truth.

I was asked what bands I thought were not worthy f recording contracts, and I gave an honest answer...

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by man_on_a_mission
I stated an opinion I didn't make a defining statement.

In my opinion all rap music is garbage, its not what I like, its not what i'm into and I don't have a faintest hint of respect for any of the rap music I have had the distinct misfortune to have listened to.



I believe...mr mod's point was you haven't heard enough to say it's all shit. When you're not into a genre, you generally only hear what is readily available (which is more often than not the worst of it...often, not always) so therefore you can't pass judgement when the only artists you've heard are the radio-friendly ones.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by SpiritualBlackDimensions
I believe...mr mod's point was you haven't heard enough to say it's all shit. When you're not into a genre, you generally only hear what is readily available (which is more often than not the worst of it...often, not always) so therefore you can't pass judgement when the only artists you've heard are the radio-friendly ones. I`m actually going to suprise myself & say that it is possible to hate the rap genre without having heard all of whats around.
What you have to remember is rap is primarily a vocal style , not nessasarily a type of music. If someone doesn`t like the vocal style of rapping logic says that person would not like rap as a genre no matter which artist they are listening to.

Yes it is a narrow minded opinion to have but you can`t make people like everything no matter how good you may think it to be.
If someone doesn`t like rapping they ain`t going to like rap

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
I`m actually going to suprise myself & say that it is possible to hate the rap genre without having heard all of whats around.
What you have to remember is rap is primarily a vocal style , not nessasarily a type of music. If someone doesn`t like the vocal style of rapping logic says that person would not like rap as a genre no matter which artist they are listening to.


Oh yeah, i can understand that...I was more referring to the "rappers only talk about urban violence and glorify it, have stupid simplistic lyrics" la-de-da.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by SpiritualBlackDimensions
Oh yeah, i can understand that...I was more referring to the "rappers only talk about urban violence and glorify it, have stupid simplistic lyrics" la-de-da. Oh yeah thats bollocks. Besides Rap isn`t the only music guilty of bad lyrics

[Kris]

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die Johnny Cash

[Simon]

Where hip-hop is concerned, the uneducated need to be shown the truth about a misconception: Rap is NOT the same as gangsta rap. So many people say 'rap is all "bang bang bitch bitch fuck fuck ho ho nigga nigga'"...where gangsta rap is concerned, that's somewhat true - not entirely, there's a hell of a lot more in it, but that is a big part of it, saying how big you are and effectively that you are 'better' than the other guy. But that's not true for all forms of rap. Gangsta rap is a tiny percentage of rap total, and most of non-gangsta rap has nothing do with all that stuff...and the lyrics are better for it.

[Kris]

Yeah dawg, dope fo-realz G. :p

[Simon]

Ach, not in here as well. I wouldn't mind, but the stuff I'm listening to recently is about as far away from BurnZy's inbred ignorant understanding of hip-hop as you could possibly hope to get...acoustic stuff, just a guitar and a voice....great stuff.

[Webbicho]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
.
What you have to remember is rap is primarily a vocal style , not nessasarily a type of music.

BULLSHIT

For starts for thousands of years vocal style was the only music. EDIT: This is even before they was banging sticks together.

emceeing is an art. Split into 2 parts. Writitng and rapping.

Continually finding meaningful and original content takes work wisdom and percerverence(sp?) Being able to spit it and deliver the words well with speed and timing, putting the lil gaps in ya raps and all that is another skill to learn

DJing is an art too and the contrustion and production of a beat then preparing for certain lyrics to go over it in a certain formation is a long process where all the regular musicical theroys apply. Timing ? beats to a bar little riffs, choruses, bridges all present in rap.

You can have a musically simple beat with simple lyrics(eg murder raps) the equivelent to your power chord punk music, and you can have intricrekly designed beats with different sounds for every finishing bar made to fit EXACTLY 500 words in 25 bars of deep powerful inspiring lyrics.

Thats sounds like a very MUSICAL process.

Rap is a music.

BUT not all rap is hip hop

[Sweet Stan]

I didn`t say rap ISN`T a type of music.What I said was the art of Rapping itself is a distitctive vocal style and if you do not like that then it doesn`t matter how great the music is you are not going to like Rap.

I don`t doubt that emceeing is an art for one minute , however not everybody likes that type of delivery. There`s nothing wrong with that it`s their personal choice

[Webbicho]

You said: "What you have to remember is rap is primarily a vocal style , not nessasarily a type of music. "

I agree with the whole deal about not everybody liking it. But nobody can dispute it is music.

[Sweet Stan]

Originally posted by Webbicho
You said: "What you have to remember is rap is primarily a vocal style , not nessasarily a type of music. "

I agree with the whole deal about not everybody liking it. But nobody can dispute it is music. I did say that but you`ve kind of taken it in the wrong context.

What I was saying is that rapping itself is more vocally based rather than musically.I didn`t mean to imply that Rap isn`t a valid form of music

[Webbicho]

Cool bro.

[Peelio]

HB2K3 doesn't like metal.

I don't like rap.

However, I will acknowledge that there are certain songs of that particular style that I do like, including Whats The Difference by Dr Dre and some Cypress Hill stuff.

On topic, I think Busted shouldn't even be alive, let alone making songs. Hardcore punks should go to a Busted concert and start up a pit :yes:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[Croc]

Why the hell can't you say you don't like a certain style of music without hearing everything it has to offer? If I said I don't like country even though I hardly ever hear it, does that make my arguement totally invalid? Because you don't neccisarily have to hate the artists making the music to hate the style... maybe I just don't go for the style itself.

Same with rap. Why is it when someone says they hate rap people feel the need to tell them how ignorant they are for putting down something they haven't given the chance?

(Yes I'm looking at you Simon ;))

[man_on_a_mission]

Can't I just not like rap in peace?

:confused:

[Zen]

....

If I can say something..if a guy hates everything about rap he's ever heard, it's very likely he will hate all of it, even if he started hearing some new shit from the genre.

Rap is like that..I haven't heard everything there is in this genre, but I wont ever like any of it.
It's just the way it is..rapping is not singing..I like singing or at least carrying a tune..rapping to me is like spoken word..fast-talking..with a big emphasis on certain words, and a certain tone to convey feeling.
I dont dig that.

The only time I ever hear singing in rap songs is when the chorus kicks in, and some collaborator dubbed in a sample from someother artists song..like with tupac's "changes" for instance.
BTW, who was the dweeb who sang that part..talk about an irritating nuisance.

So I firmly think someone, just on his opinion, can say rap is crap, and he doesnt like it. Sure he wont deny their talents, but those talents do nothing for him personally.

And if Tupac is the best you got from that genre, well I've heard him, and he doesn't impress me that much, so it doesnt bode well for the rest of the genre.

[Webbicho]

Guitar music is shit then.

And You've been schooled about Tupac being the best in the genre before. He's far from it.

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by Webbicho
Guitar music is shit then.


:lol:

Guitar music...never heard of that one before. Next time I'm in the record shop I'll ask someone to point me out the 'guitar music section'. Oh, wait....You mean music featuring guitars, right? Considering guitars feature in a shit load of different genres, it's rather hypocritical of you to be telling everybody else how they can't make a judgement on rap from what they heard.

[Webbicho]

You dont read much do you.

He said someone should be able to make a judgement based on what they had heard and say the entire rap genre is crap. I was turning it around.

The thing is there's not just one type of rap, there's political rap, religous rap, pop rap, gangsta rap, they got some weird people out there with some really far out styles, some people have heavy metal guitars in all their songs but they and thier fanbase still consider themselves Hip-hop.

[SpiritualBlackDimensions]

Originally posted by Webbicho
You dont read much do you.

He said someone should be able to make a judgement based on what they had heard and say the entire rap genre is crap. I was turning it around.

The thing is there's not just one type of rap, there's political rap, religous rap, pop rap, gangsta rap, they got some weird people out there with some really far out styles, some people have heavy metal guitars in all their songs but they and thier fanbase still consider themselves Hip-hop.

I understood what he meant, somebody (their name escapes me) expanded on it too. For people who don't really get into rap, it just sounds like a guy speaking over a beat and emphasising certain words. If you don't like people 'half-talking' over a beat, you probably won't like rap, at all. However, this doesn't mean that they can't appreciate some forms. As you say some rappers have more deep messages in their songs, rather the ones that are allover the radio.

[Smiddy]

Originally posted by Webbicho
Guitar music is shit then.

I understand what you mean and all, but aren't guitars used in plenty of rap and hip-hop tracks? Not to mention samples?

Most widely used musical instrument too, no?

[Webbicho]

Originally posted by smiddy3:16
I understand what you mean and all, but aren't guitars used in plenty of rap and hip-hop tracks? Not to mention samples?

Most widely used musical instrument too, no?

I just liked the way it sounded, uneducated.

[Smiddy]

Gotcha.

[Seanny One Ball]

Tool - That cunt of a lead singer whispers like a little bastard so that you cant hear a word, the music itself it boring even for prog and the band seems to be invisible behind these shitty videos and bad music.

[skiddelz]

fred durst, Nsync, Backstreet Boyz, and Justin Timberlake do not deserve having a contract at alll:barf:

[Sweet Stan]

I REALLY fucking hate that Good Charlotte song Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous.Everytime i hear it on the radio this happens...

Song starts with the drums & Bass....

My thoughts .... ' Oh cool Lust for Life by Iggy Pop'(it`s a bit noisy where i work but thats what it always sounds like to me)

Whiney vocals kick in

'Oh Fuck it`s that useless pile of dross Good Charlotte'

[Unbodied]

Originally posted by Government Mule
Tool - That cunt of a lead singer whispers like a little bastard so that you cant hear a word, the music itself it boring even for prog and the band seems to be invisible behind these shitty videos and bad music. I am very close to swallowing your face.

[BKJG]

Originally posted by Unbodied
I am very close to swallowing your face.

:lol:

Leave the poor Green Day fan alone :)

[StoneColdSlugger]

Originally posted by BKJG
:lol:

Leave the poor Green Day fan alone :)
:rofl:

[Sweet Stan]

Green Day have fans?
I thought they sold out or something

[man_on_a_mission]

No there are no Green Day fans left... the 10,000 people who turn up to each UK concert are a mirage!

The sell-out accusations are merely propaganda banded around by Lookout Records and so called "Hardcore" punk fans (ie: mutants who don't know what music is in the first place to have an opinion).

Green Day became the top "punk" act because they were superior in musical ability and soingwriting to their peers. Even in the Lookout Record years they were the band who stood out from the scene, it wasn't Operation Ivy or any band like that, it was Green Day.

Selling 15 million copies of an album doesn't make a band "sell-outs".

The people who make me laugh are the dumb Offspring fans who call Green Day sell-outs when The Offspring are the most two-faced band on earth. Touting themselves as hardcore punk when really their music is just goofy idiot pop (Why Dont You Get A Job, etc)

And Sweet Stan.... that Good Charlotte song IS rubbish :no:

Its not my fault though if people are so ignorant they lump a band who have sold been around for above 14 years and still show the zest and enthusiasm they did in their infancy in with no-talents like Sum 41, New Fag Glory etc...

Anyway, say what you want, Green Day are legends and will still be rocking long after certain childish people have finished bleating about "punk values".

AND THAT AS THEY SAY IS THAT

[Unbodied]

Originally posted by man_on_a_mission
No there are no Green Day fans left... the 10,000 people who turn up to each UK concert are a mirage!

The sell-out accusations are merely propaganda banded around by Lookout Records and so called "Hardcore" punk fans (ie: mutants who don't know what music is in the first place to have an opinion).

Green Day became the top "punk" act because they were superior in musical ability and soingwriting to their peers. Even in the Lookout Record years they were the band who stood out from the scene, it wasn't Operation Ivy or any band like that, it was Green Day.

Selling 15 million copies of an album doesn't make a band "sell-outs".

The people who make me laugh are the dumb Offspring fans who call Green Day sell-outs when The Offspring are the most two-faced band on earth. Touting themselves as hardcore punk when really their music is just goofy idiot pop (Why Dont You Get A Job, etc)

And Sweet Stan.... that Good Charlotte song IS rubbish :no:

Its not my fault though if people are so ignorant they lump a band who have sold been around for above 14 years and still show the zest and enthusiasm they did in their infancy in with no-talents like Sum 41, New Fag Glory etc...

Anyway, say what you want, Green Day are legends and will still be rocking long after certain childish people have finished bleating about "punk values".

AND THAT AS THEY SAY IS THAT Actually, they fucking suck, you retard. They are only legends to people who don't appreciate music.

[them69]

Green Day is great.

I dunno about legends though, but they epitomize 1994. Or was it '93? Then everyone hated them after that, then people finally started appreciating them again.

[Seanny One Ball]

Greenday = Shitty fake punk
Tool = Shitty full stop

Me = Not a fan of any so-called *new* rock/punk/metal

I like hip hop, and some older rock or indie.

That means, in my opinion, the only good bands left are:

REM, Coldplay, Travis and probably some other people that I can't be arsed listing.

Dont ever judge me, for you will be wrong every time you do.

[aenima]

Green Day make me wet myself. In a bad way.

Pop-punk sucks. A cancer on the world. Only a select few pop-punk bands deserve to be making music.

Also, indie is balls. Indie needs to die, too.

[Sweet Stan]

Let`s get one thing straight.
I love UNKLE
I love Queens of the Stone Age

However I have to be honest & say that UNKLE`s new remix of No One Knows is fucking atrocious. :(

[Crabby]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
I REALLY fucking hate that Good Charlotte song Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous.Everytime i hear it on the radio this happens...

Song starts with the drums & Bass....

My thoughts .... ' Oh cool Lust for Life by Iggy Pop'(it`s a bit noisy where i work but thats what it always sounds like to me)

Whiney vocals kick in

'Oh Fuck it`s that useless pile of dross Good Charlotte'

Man, I am tired of that band telling everyone who will listen at every available opportunity how "punk" they are. If you're so punk guys, why the need to continually remind us all?

[them69]

I guess "punk" means looking like complete knobs.

[Spacemanrocks]

Green Day, Blink 182, Sum 41 and every other "punk" band around these days....

For the simple reason that IT IS NOT PUNK, AND NEVER F'N WILL BE! Sex Pistols, Ramones, The Clash, Buzzcocks, Sham 69....THAT'S punk, and THAT is boss. All these other dumbass little bands with their lack of talent and lack of ability to write a decent song should be shot into space, put on the moon in their crumby little space suits, and left there. To die, very, VERY slowly. AARRGGHH!!!

Also, Oasis should be banned from ever making "cough Music cough" ever again!

[Spacemanrocks]

Originally posted by aenima
Green Day make me wet myself. In a bad way.

I would also just like to point out....the above statement did not leave a very nice mental image in my head!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[The Myth]

Originally posted by Adamy
Yeah... Revolver would be just about the best album ever if that song [Yellow Submarine] wasn't on it.

Yeah I know I pulled up a five page old topic, but I somehow stumbled upon this statement. :p

Making the Case for "Yellow Submarine"

Revolver needs the submarine in the middle of its collection; for without it, there is no "Hey Bulldog", no "It's All Too Much", no "All Together Now", no "Only A Northern Song". There is no amazing cartoon movie that so unbelievably depicts psychedelia at its very craziness. There is no unreal contrast to "Eleanor Rigby" as a B-Side single. There is no such wrestler as "The Blue Meanie". Simply put- "Yellow Submarine" is the most commercially successful song on the album. It is also the first Beatle childrens' song. It has great sound effects that no band sans Beach Boys were even dreaming of in 1966, and really is a nice track if you take it musically and not as a kiddy tune. It is NEEDED as a light nudge in between the rather serious tracks in front of and behind it on the greatest album of all time: Revovler.

Now then, someone mentioned "A Taste of Honey." Not a favorite of mine either, but hey it's early Beatle stuff and not everything COULD be awesome.

Every time I hear it, though, I get this "Three Musketeer/French war-cry" type thing.

All (Valiantly): A TASTE OF HONEY!!!

Paul: Tasting...much sweeter...

I mean, I can imagine three guys on horses screaming "A taste of honey!" and then one of the guys getting off the horse and bowing as he says "tasting much sweeter..."

[Adamy]

Originally posted by Sweet Stan
I REALLY fucking hate that Good Charlotte song Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous.Everytime i hear it on the radio this happens...

Song starts with the drums & Bass....

My thoughts .... ' Oh cool Lust for Life by Iggy Pop'(it`s a bit noisy where i work but thats what it always sounds like to me)

Whiney vocals kick in

'Oh Fuck it`s that useless pile of dross Good Charlotte'

I get that too.

Except I think, "Oh, it's 'This Charming Man' by the Smiths," and change the station anyway.