2020 NFL Thread

[BGMaverick]

Hmm not sure what you mean. He seems like a roster lock to me, and no matter how many passing weapons a team has the starting RB will always have a big role. Fantasy-wise, these moves should increase his value I'd say.

Gronk is arguably a better blocker than pass catcher at this point.

They need a pass catching back and he's not fully ideal in that role and they've already made it clear they're looking to upgrade at that position. He couldn't fully win the job against randos over the course of the season so the draft and random trade possibilities are there to undercut him.

They'll run plenty of 12 and I still imagine Brate is going to be better than Howard if Howard stays on.

[Chris Scott]

When was a WR class as good as this one?

[BGMaverick]

When was a WR class as good as this one?

'14 and '15 weren't too shabby.

[Fro]

Interesting tweet from Schefty showing what the Lions would have traded for Gronk in 2018.

2018 Rob Gronkowski trade:
Lions receive Gronkowski and a second-round pick (No. 43.)
Patriots receive a first-round pick (No. 20) and a second-round pic (No. 51)

2020 Gronkowski trade:
Buccaneers receive Gronkowski and a seventh-round pick.
Patriots receive a fourth-round pick.

So the Lions would have given up a 1st for him if Gronk hadn't vetoed it by saying he would retire. Gronk ended up helping the Pats win a 6th Super Bowl in 2018 so I'm not complaining but getting a 1st would have been a good return since Gronk was seemingly past his prime as a pass catcher in 2018. I would put this in the negative column when it comes to Matt Patricia (granted, he's not the GM).

[BGMaverick]

The Lions got saved from themselves.

[Grimario]

Thoughts on the chargers uniforms?

https://twitter.com/Chargers/status/1252595439716556800

[Fro]

They look good :yes:

[BGMaverick]

Thoughts on the chargers uniforms?

https://twitter.com/Chargers/status/1252595439716556800

They're sex, in the scheme of a uniform.

[Grimario]

More eloquently put than I could muster.

Does it suck that they are team nobody really gives a shit about though? Does anyone here actually support them?

[Bandit]

when I lived in San Diego I had a few co-workers who did. But it was rare. lol

[Matthew]

numbers on helmets are where it's at

[Chris Scott]

'14 and '15 weren't too shabby.

14 was boss

Mike Evans
Matthews
Robinson
Landry
Benjamin
Richardson
Cooks

15 wasn’t as good I’d say

Cooper
Parker
Lockett
Agholor

[BGMaverick]

Diggs was also in '15. Perriman might be rounding out into form. Not great but not bad, especially if Parker found his way.

[Chris Scott]

Oh dam forgot about Diggs. I don’t remember much about him around the time or what is prospect was?

Meh Perriman on his 4th or 5th team he’s just about as good as Justin Hardy haha.

[BGMaverick]

Perriman was pretty damn strong the last few games of the season when Evans and Godwin were hurt. If he's able to wade through the mess of the Jets, then he'll make good and be a solid guy from that class.

[Chris Scott]

:lol: is that where he’s ended up? He’s got no chance then.

[Matthew]

better than the dolphins

[Pablo Diablo]

Is it though?

[TimeSplitter]

Dolphins are looking to trend upwards. They got some solid defensive free agents, but they do need to hit on each of their three picks tomorrow.

[MMH]

Meh Perriman on his 4th or 5th team he’s just about as good as Justin Hardy haha.

That's fighting talk where I am from...

(actually most things are to be fair...)

[Matthew]

Is it though?

yes

[Bandit]

14 was boss

Mike Evans
Matthews
Robinson
Landry
Benjamin
Richardson
Cooks

15 wasn’t as good I’d say

Cooper
Parker
Lockett
Agholor

This post was disrespectful to Davante Adams! Who might have the best career from that WR class when it's all said and done /angry

[Chris Scott]

That's fighting talk where I am from...

(actually most things are to be fair...)

Haha. You like him then.

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better than the dolphins

Let’s not be daft now.

[Chris Scott]

This post was disrespectful to Davante Adams! Who might have the best career from that WR class when it's all said and done /angry

Might have hmmm possibly? He’s done brilliant for a 2nd round pick.

[Bandit]

Might have hmmm possibly? He’s done brilliant for a 2nd round pick.

Statistically, I'd argue he's second best from that list at this point in their careers. Evans is head and shoulders above the rest currently. But I'd put money (albeit not a lot...) that Adams maintains his production later into his career than Evans based on their styles of play and physical make up.

[Grimario]

Just went to sign up for NFL GamePass... and it's free till July? Woop. Draft should help the work day go quickly.

[Percussion]

So effin excited y'all..

[Rancid_Planet]

So effin excited y'all..

It's the most magical day of the year.

Its DRAFT NIGHT!

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6575158528/hDFFE95E0/zip-a-dee-doo-dah

Got my KFC and im ready to go.

[Percussion]

Football christmas bro..

[Pablo Diablo]

Normally I'm only moderately excited for the draft.

This year with this being the closest thing to actual sports AND the Dolphins having so many picks makes it extra hype.

[Grimario]

#BooTheCommish ad was great.

Also, getting American commercials for food is making me hungry.

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Normally I'm only moderately excited for the draft.

This year with this being the closest thing to actual sports AND the Dolphins having so many picks makes it extra hype.

Who do you want?

[Rancid_Planet]

Football christmas bro..

This year feels like 10 Christmases rolled into one.

[Pablo Diablo]

Tua. It's a gamble but I think it's worth it.

[Grimario]

Tua. It's a gamble but I think it's worth it.

Reckon you will trade up to #3 to get him?


And we really need to get to #3. The first two picks aren't that interesting, surely?

[Pablo Diablo]

I'd say no. Just because we need to fill so many gaps in the roster I'd hate to lose the picks.

[Grimario]

Also, getting American commercials for food is making me hungry.

And laxative ads make me less hungry.

[Rancid_Planet]

Cincin taking way too long to say "Joe."

[Tim]

I would jizz in my pants if the Lions were able to trade up and get Young.

[Rancid_Planet]

Ok there we go. Now the draft really starts.

Poor Joe. Has to wait 5 years to play somewhere decent.

[TimeSplitter]

Having this many analysts on the tv is exhausting. Just go to the picks.

[Rancid_Planet]

Wash gotta take Simmons out of Clemson right?

[Rancid_Planet]

Well you cant go wrong with Young. Dude seems to be a monster waiting to happen.

[Grimario]

Now the draft really starts

[Tim]

Id be more excited for Okudah if the Lions hadn't traded Slay.

[Rancid_Planet]

Ok the Giants have to pick Simmons here. They need to strengthen that line.

[Rancid_Planet]

Id be more excited for Okudah if the Lions hadn't traded Slay.

I get that. Okudah is a bad bad man tho. That story when dude asked him if he got tired of the Lion King jokes his whole life. He asked him "are you more like Muphasa?" and my man said

"No. I'm Scar."

Too cool.

[Percussion]

Okudah is crazy high floor but pretty meh ceiling from what I've watched..

[Grimario]

Mel Kiper has weird shaped hair.

[Rancid_Planet]

Tua Time.

God I hope Miami is intent on protecting him.

[Rancid_Planet]

Simmons still there but can Carolina resist Brown?

[Percussion]

No surprise whatsoever to see Herbert have a better career than Burrow..

[Rancid_Planet]

No surprise whatsoever to see Herbert have a better career than Burrow..

Herbert has a shot to have the best career here for sure. Time will tell but look at what he did with so much less than Joe or Tua.

Carolina takes Brown. God he's gonna eat guys heads for breakfast there.

[Rancid_Planet]

Arizona probably needs Jeudy more but Simmons still right there. Can't go wrong with either guy.

[Randolph]

Lions should have traded down. That is all.

[Rancid_Planet]

No fucking clue where the Jags go here. They need help ev-er-y-where. Browns may still have Jeudy on the board next up. They gotta like that. Get Judge Jeudy and trade ODB.

[Percussion]

Arizona just snagged Deandre Hopkins for a bologna sandwich and Isaiah Simmons out of nowhere..

Heck of an off-season..

[Grimario]

https://twitter.com/CalaisCampbell/status/1253480217458376704


Hey, @Joe_Burrow10, congrats on being the number 1 overall pick! Can’t wait for us to be properly acquainted

[Rancid_Planet]

Arizona just snagged Deandre Hopkins for a bologna sandwich and Isaiah Simmons out of nowhere..

Heck of an off-season..

AFC west is a monster. Damn.

[Randolph]

This hasn't been bad for a draft that feels like an epic fantasy draft. A couple awkward moments of people accidentally interrupting each other, but it feels like a normal draft.

[Rancid_Planet]

The Browns went with their heads. Surprising.

[Percussion]

The Browns went with their heads. Surprising.

No doubt.. excellent pick..

[Rancid_Planet]

Jets also being smart. Protect those QBs.

[Rancid_Planet]

Oakland gotta take Jeudy.

[Grimario]

I did not expect Ruggs to go ahead of Lamb or Jeudy.

[Rancid_Planet]

Wow. Ok. Well hes great too.

[Rancid_Planet]

Smart move by SF.

[Grimario]

49ers trading back for TB to get a tackle... meaning both WR's are there and they get some extra picks?

[Rancid_Planet]

49ers trading back for TB to get a tackle... meaning both WR's are there and they get some extra picks?

They move back one spot and pick up a 4th (lose a 7th). Good move. Tampa putting it all together. Man.

[Fro]

I love the Wirfs pick

Because I love the name Wirfs

[Grimario]

They move back one spot and pick up a 4th (lose a 7th). Good move. Tampa putting it all together. Man.

Are they trading out of this one too? Clock coming down real low... or undecided on Lamb or Jeudy? Please not Kinlaw.

Oop, there we go.

[Grimario]

Damn it.

[Rancid_Planet]

Damn it.

Going DT isn't the worst move for them I don't think.

Jeudy goes to Denver at 15. That must be the biggest surprise of the night so far for me.

[Rancid_Planet]

Falcons need de AND olb. Gotta go with Chaisson out of LSU. Dude seems legit.

[Grimario]

Going DT isn't the worst move for them I don't think.

Jeudy goes to Denver at 15. That must be the biggest surprise of the night so far for me.

Oh, he's good... just a a bit disappointing to trade Buckner for a pick and replace him. Guess it's a cheaper option so maybe opens other options but would have loved Jeudy or Lamb.

[Rancid_Planet]

Oh yeah that's right Atlanta needed a DB super bad. Still feels like a reach.

[Rancid_Planet]

Dallas needs a saftey and the Bama kid is still on the board.

[Fro]

not that I'm a big draft guy but I do think the NFL made the right decision to go forward with the draft. I mean you can totally do it from home, why delay it? not sure why that was even controversial. a rare good decision by goodell

[Rancid_Planet]

What the fuck Dallas?

[Grimario]

Eagles with such a WR need and Lamb almost close enough to taste... of course the Cowboys rub it in their face with the pick.

[Rancid_Planet]

Jerry picks the oddest times to go for value.

[Rancid_Planet]

Miami picks smart.

Lets see if Raiders go WR just because Gruden is nuts.

[Rancid_Planet]

Oh I bet that was who the Jags were going for at the next pick. He's overrated by many accounts though.

[Rancid_Planet]

Eagles will take Jefferson.

[Kdestiny]

Eagles will take Jefferson.

Oops

[Rancid_Planet]

Eagles will take Jefferson.

Or not...

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Oops

God people think Joe really did all that on his own at LSU don't they?

[Kdestiny]

Massive reach

[Rancid_Planet]

Jesus how does Bill pull of these trades? Lol

[Rancid_Planet]

The Vikings = lucky af.

[Rancid_Planet]

Does SD take the first rb?

[Rancid_Planet]

They gave up a 3 for Murray?

[Rancid_Planet]

I know NO is probably going WR. I'd bet on Higgins. Arizona State kid is supposed.to be great though.

Or they could take the center Dallas shouldve taken lol

[Rancid_Planet]

MN picks up a 4 and a 5 on this trade.

[Rancid_Planet]

Who does Herm know in MN?

[Rancid_Planet]

Dolphins trading out to GB.

Too bad. Miami only needed one more lion to form Voltron.

[Rancid_Planet]

Ooooh. Rodgers just got Favred.

[Randolph]

Green Bay going QB. Rodgers will be demanding a trade to Minnesota in two years.

[lotjx]

The Packers didn't pick up a future QB, they also got an all season distraction. Go Pack Go...

[Rancid_Planet]

Green Bay going QB. Rodgers will be demanding a trade to Minnesota in two years.

Has to play for the Jets for one year first.

And show his dick (amd crocs) to a female reporter.

Rules.

[Fro]

Jesus how does Bill pull of these trades? Lol

What you mean? There’s a trade value chart they all use, it’s pretty basic

[Rancid_Planet]

I want Wilson out of GA or Lewis out of Bama for my Titans.

[Rancid_Planet]

What you mean? There’s a trade value chart they all use, it’s pretty basic

Oh I dont mean just the value. It just seems like it's always Bill making the trades every year. He's so patient. No coach could make themselves trade out year after year like he does.

[lotjx]

I hate these four day drafts. I stop caring by the 14th pick and don't bother to watch Saturday.

[Randolph]

Goes to show how much SEC schools, Clemon, Ohio State and Clemson dominate the scene nowadays. One mid major first rounder so far. Of course, it's not as bad as that year Miami had 11 guys go in the first round.

[Rancid_Planet]

Our pass rush sucks but if they take Cleveland I won't blame them.

[Fro]

The packers pick doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, surely rodgers has 3 years left in him. When the pats picked Jimmy G it was after a season in which Brady posted a passer rating of 87 so you could at least see a case that he was in decline. Rodgers still seems on his game. Similar timing though, I think Brady was also 36 at the time. Hopefully for the packers Rodgers will respond to it as Brady did

(Jimmy was also about 30 picks later)

[lotjx]

Ohio State got a massive recruiting uptick from this draft. Ravens got another beast.

[Rancid_Planet]

Wilson!

[Rancid_Planet]

Ohio State got a massive recruiting uptick from this draft. Ravens got another beast.

A beast that needs to gain some weight or else get flattened by Henry.

[Fro]

Oh I dont mean just the value. It just seems like it's always Bill making the trades every year. He's so patient. No coach could make themselves trade out year after year like he does.

Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. His results are pretty average for the league I’d say (taking into consideration they always start with late picks). Usually the logic is the guy (or guys) they want will still be there at the lower spot.

They dropped to 37 here so that’s still a high pick, they dropped like 14 spots I think.

And to be fair they stuck at 32 last year and stuck at both their 1st rounders the year before. But certainly you’re right he loves to move around (more often down). He’ll make at least 2 trades tomorrow, easy.

[Pablo Diablo]

If Tua ends up getting injured this will be a horrendous draft for the Dolphins.

Tua can salvage it, but the other picks I can't convince myself. You have 3 first round picks and end up drafting 2 second rounders.

[Rancid_Planet]

If Tua ends up getting injured this will be a horrendous draft for the Dolphins.

Tua can salvage it, but the other picks I can't convince myself. You have 3 first round picks and end up drafting 2 second rounders.

Oh he's gonna get injured.

But if he doesn't...

[BGMaverick]

Lots of interesting stories off of the first night but I have to imagine Green Bay's pick is going to get the most steam over the next few days.

Not a very logical pick.

[Kdestiny]

I love it

[Rancid_Planet]

Green Bay is the only NFC team I've ever cared for and I love Rodgers but he's def gotten to that point where he wants to throw it away way too much and his playoff performances have gone to shit the last several appearances. I can see why they'd want to start slowly grooming the next guy.

[Kdestiny]

The slower the better.

I am ready for the drama especially considering Chicago won't do shit this year, I need something to take pleasure in

[Chris Scott]

If Tua ends up getting injured this will be a horrendous draft for the Dolphins.

Tua can salvage it, but the other picks I can't convince myself. You have 3 first round picks and end up drafting 2 second rounders.

Miami played is there thinking we won’t mind those other 2 picks cos we drafted Tua.

[Chris Scott]

Oh he's gonna get injured.

But if he doesn't...

He’s got AJ watching him now :D

[3puppies]

Oh I dont mean just the value. It just seems like it's always Bill making the trades every year. He's so patient. No coach could make themselves trade out year after year like he does.

Belichek's strength hasn't been with the draft, though they've done pretty well considering they've generally started toward the end of each round because they've been so good at what counts, the actual games. And they've lost several picks over the years, which impacts their overall draft class.

But where Bill really shines is his nerve to get rid of top players before a sharp decline sets in, and especially his ability to pick up players that get released from other teams, and he finds a way to get the most out of them.



Overall, I enjoyed what I watched of the draft. When you see the sharp distinction in the homes of the execs/owners vs. the shack I live in, it's clear that the rich lead a completely different life.

[TimeSplitter]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/24/mike-vrabel-on-draft-night-scene-at-his-house-its-been-a-long-quarantine-man/

Pretty fun response by Mike Vrabel about what was going on in his home during the draft. He seems like a pretty cool guy.

[Percussion]

For Texans fans..

..it's finally draft day.. woot woot.

I say that and we'll now take a Div II TE no one's ever heard of who practices really really hard..

[Percussion]

Speaking of which there's an embarrassment of riches available for a potential 40th pick..

Jaylon Johnson - CB - Utah
Kristian Fulton - CB - LSU
Yetur Gross-Matos - ED - PSU
AJ Epenesa - ED - Iowa
Ross Blacklock - DL - TCU
Neville Gallimore - DL - Oklahoma
Terrell Lewis - ED - Albama
Zack Baun - LB - Wisconsin
Antoine Winfield Jr - S - Minnesota
Jordan Elliott - DL - Missouri

[Rancid_Planet]

Baun still on the board. Wow.

[Rancid_Planet]

Speaking of which there's an embarrassment of riches available for a potential 40th pick..

Jaylon Johnson - CB - Utah
Kristian Fulton - CB - LSU
Yetur Gross-Matos - ED - PSU
AJ Epenesa - ED - Iowa
Ross Blacklock - DL - TCU
Neville Gallimore - DL - Oklahoma
Terrell Lewis - ED - Albama
Zack Baun - LB - Wisconsin
Antoine Winfield Jr - S - Minnesota
Jordan Elliott - DL - Missouri

You got Blacklock. You like?

[Rancid_Planet]

If the jets dont take Baun we got him

[Rancid_Planet]

Pats jumping up. Hope its for a TE or a WR

[Rancid_Planet]

Fuck. Bill mustve thought thats who we wanted.

[Rancid_Planet]

Amd we take a corner. I disagree.

[Percussion]

You got Blacklock. You like?

I do. He's versatile in a multiple front and can be schemed up with a lot of experience playing de/dt games at tcu. Super competitive and downhill.

Bit of an injury concern with an acl in 2018, but his 2019 performance has done lots to offset that.

No disappointment at all here.

[Kdestiny]

Bears now got 10 TEs on their current roster including Kmet

Plus they're still paying Burton.

[lotjx]

Kmet is a stud. As a Notre Dame fan, I'm quite pleased with the Steelers WR pick. Now if they can pull off that Fortane trade from the Jags and the offense will be massively better.

[Chris Scott]

After 3 rounds

Tua A+++
Jackson C+
Igbinoghene A-
Robert Hunt B+
Raekwon Davis B+
Brandon Jones C+

Overall B+

[Kdestiny]

Indy getting Eason in the 4th is an incredible value pick in my opinion.

Win-win there

[Fro]

Where will cam newton land?

[BGMaverick]

Where will cam newton land?

My guess: Pittsburgh or nowhere for the year.

[PurePlayer]

Where will cam newton land?

why not the Pats?

[Fro]

No cap room. We’d need to trade Thuney

[BGMaverick]

So I read that Jameis is now slotted to be around 52 for contract money for QBs at $1.1m with his deal with the Saints.

That's less than the likes of Beathard, Daniel, Sudfeld, Peterman, Rush, Keenum, Mariota and many, many more.

[Percussion]

A terribly erratic qb who's still young and arguably talented enough to reestablish himself as a starter in the league getting paid a mill to take a one year qb course from Sean Payton, Pete Carmichael, and Drew Brees..

sounds like a sign of maturity..

good for him..

[MMH]

A terribly erratic qb who's still young and arguably talented enough to reestablish himself as a starter in the league getting paid a mill to take a one year qb course from Sean Payton, Pete Carmichael, and Drew Brees..

sounds like a sign of maturity..

good for him..

Also enables Taysom Hill to carry on doing Taysom Hill things.

[Fanny Batter]

Value in Winston if there's 3 seconds on the clock and you're 50-60 yards from the end zone too, particularly if Brees' arm strength is getting weaker.

[3puppies]

why not the Pats?



No cap room. We’d need to trade Thuney

Belichek has reportedly been yelling at Brady for years that "I can get Joe Foxboro from down the street to play quarterback", so we don't need Cam.

God, I cannot imagine how many Pats haters across the country will want to die even more when Jarrett Stidham leads us to a 12 win season, another division title, a first round bye, and another Super Bowl.

[BigAl]

God, I cannot imagine how many Pats haters across the country will want to die even more when Jarrett Stidham leads us to a 12 win season, another division title, a first round bye, and another Super Bowl.

Careful with that day drinking, my dude. It'll get away from you real quick.

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Indy getting Eason in the 4th is an incredible value pick in my opinion.

Win-win there

Agreed. I'm very happy the Colts got him in the 4th. They had a pretty good draft.

[Chris Scott]

Where will cam newton land?

I’m thinking Chargers.

The guy is to talented not to end up on a team even if it’s a back up.

[Chris Scott]

Also enables Taysom Hill to carry on doing Taysom Hill things.

$10M a year to carry on doing Taysom Hill things is pretty good, the lads done well there.

[Fro]

Belichek has reportedly been yelling at Brady for years that "I can get Joe Foxboro from down the street to play quarterback", so we don't need Cam.

Uhhh, what's your source on this? Sounds like something Tony Massarotti said hyperbolically while filling 25 hours of radio air each week.

[Matthew]

God, I cannot imagine how many Pats haters across the country will want to die even more when Jarrett Stidham leads us to a 12 win season, another division title, a first round bye, and another Super Bowl.
i read that as jason statham, which would be way better

[BGMaverick]

I’m thinking Chargers.

The guy is to talented not to end up on a team even if it’s a back up.

Unless the Chargers GM was full of crap on Monday, they're not looking at Cam.

[Fanny Batter]

I think Cam's best bet is to stay a free agent and wait on the first QB injury. The Titans, for example, don't really have an able deputy behind Tannehill. Do the Lions have anybody behind Stafford?

[BGMaverick]

I think Cam's best bet is to stay a free agent and wait on the first QB injury. The Titans, for example, don't really have an able deputy behind Tannehill. Do the Lions have anybody behind Stafford?

Which do you think is more cost-effective for a team in that situation: whatever it costs to sign Cam or a 2nd/3rd?
If it's the money, you pick Cam.
If it's the pick, you probably pick someone like Dalton.

[Fro]

I think Cam's best bet is to stay a free agent and wait on the first QB injury. The Titans, for example, don't really have an able deputy behind Tannehill. Do the Lions have anybody behind Stafford?

easier said than done. if that opportunity doesn't come then sitting out his 31 year old season is tough, who knows what he'll get offered next year. and if it does come, it's tough to get up to speed with a team if the season has already started. very tough.

[3puppies]

Uhhh, what's your source on this? Sounds like something Tony Massarotti said hyperbolically while filling 25 hours of radio air each week.


My mistake. Belichek wanted Johnny Foxboro, the local high school quarterback, not Joe Foxboro.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/18/nfl-tom-brady-bill-belichick-new-england-patriots

Stuff like this is why I don't think Brady will be as successful without Bill. It remains to be seen whether Tom will perform well without him.

[Percussion]

Johnny Foxboro the local high school quarterback huh..

[Chris Scott]

Unless the Chargers GM was full of crap on Monday, they're not looking at Cam.

Oh not seen anything he’s said.

[Fro]

My mistake. Belichek wanted Johnny Foxboro, the local high school quarterback, not Joe Foxboro.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/18/nfl-tom-brady-bill-belichick-new-england-patriots

Stuff like this is why I don't think Brady will be as successful without Bill. It remains to be seen whether Tom will perform well without him.

Good shout on the Belichick quote. Brady has always been tough enough to be treated as just another one of the guys by Belichick and that’s why they lasted so long together. Most other QBs if they reached the pinnacle of the sport wouldn't have stuck around as long with that kind of treatment, I reckon.

Brady certainly doesn't need that anymore though, he's extremely self motivated and dedicated. It's probably unfair to use his age 43 and older seasons as a judgment of whether he can be successful without Bill but were it not for this damn Covid I'd full expect him to come out firing this year and be an almost certain Pro Bowler (I'd say All Pro but Mahomes and Jackson make that a tall task). I still expect that, but the likely cancellation of OTAs and shortened training camp could cause a slower start.

[Randolph]

Brady succeeds without New England, he is the greatest ever confirmed. He sucks and he can blame it on age. It's foolproof!

[Bandit]

I think neither TB or NE makes the playoffs. If I had to bet on one, it'd be NE

[BGMaverick]

I think neither TB or NE makes the playoffs. If I had to bet on one, it'd be NE

I would think if only one makes it, it's Tampa. I think there's a relatively decent chance that both can, though.

[Rancid_Planet]

TB is loading up. I can easily see them making the playoffs now.

[BGMaverick]

They were 7-9 and had a DPOY candidate as the QB. As long as Brady hasn't hit the fan with his talent, they should be right in the thick of it for a playoff spot.

[3puppies]

RIP Don Shula. I hated him for many years, the way the rest of the AFC East teams must hate Belichek now. 'Cuz he always beat us. Heckuva coach.

[Bandit]

They were 7-9 and had a DPOY candidate as the QB. As long as Brady hasn't hit the fan with his talent, they should be right in the thick of it for a playoff spot.
Jameis threw A TON of picks, don't get me wrong.

But he also led the league in pass attempts, passing yards, and came in 2nd in passing TDs in order to keep them competitive. It's basically a wash when you consider all the INTs I guess. But while Brady won't throw those picks, I don't think he'll match the attempts/yards/TDs either.

More concerning to me though is the poor OL and invisible running game in TB that will likely be huge obstacles for an aging QB (only three teams averaged fewer rushing yards per carry, and only four QBs were sacked more than Winston). They spent their first pick on a top OT prospect, and then their 3rd selection on a RB, but it will be interesting to see if those two players make immediate improvements to their respective positions from a year ago.

[BGMaverick]

Jameis threw A TON of picks, don't get me wrong.

But he also led the league in pass attempts, passing yards, and came in 2nd in passing TDs in order to keep them competitive. It's basically a wash when you consider all the INTs I guess. But while Brady won't throw those picks, I don't think he'll match the attempts/yards/TDs either.

More concerning to me though is the poor OL and invisible running game in TB that will likely be huge obstacles for an aging QB (only three teams averaged fewer rushing yards per carry, and only four QBs were sacked more than Winston). They spent their first pick on a top OT prospect, and then their 3rd selection on a RB, but it will be interesting to see if those two players make immediate improvements to their respective positions from a year ago.

I mean, he doesn't need to make wholesale changes to match the yardage and everything in order to make it a wash. He just needs to be competent and not cripple both sides of their team. Gronk is probably some form of insurance as a blocker, also helping with the first-round lineman.

[Bandit]

That's assuming Gronk is the same TE he was before retiring, losing a bunch of weight and getting a taste of post-NFL life without the discipline that made him what he was. Maybe he will be as good (or even better in the new environment). But I just see a lot of variables and have very meager expectations is all.

[BGMaverick]

That's assuming Gronk is the same TE he was before retiring, losing a bunch of weight and getting a taste of post-NFL life without the discipline that made him what he was. Maybe he will be as good (or even better in the new environment). But I just see a lot of variables and have very meager expectations is all.

He was a better blocker than pass catcher down the stretch in New England so even a drop-off in that department (and working as a decoy) should be a welcomed addition to Tampa.

[Fro]

I think a year off will have done Gronk a lot of good physically and I expect him to be more effective in 2020 than he was in 2018. Having Godwin and Evans pulling secondaries away from him won’t hurt either.

[Mazer]

Gronk should still be a capable blocker, and help Brady as a known entity in a year where prep will be down. Nobody would still want to lay too much money on him playing 16 games.

New England should be able to make the playoffs. I'm not sure Buffalo replicates last season, so they've got a reasonable shot at their division, and the expansion to 7 teams in each conference helps their odds.

I also like Tampa to make the play-offs. New Orleans will win the division, but TB should get better as the season progresses.

[BGMaverick]

Gronk should still be a capable blocker, and help Brady as a known entity in a year where prep will be down. Nobody would still want to lay too much money on him playing 16 games.

New England should be able to make the playoffs. I'm not sure Buffalo replicates last season, so they've got a reasonable shot at their division, and the expansion to 7 teams in each conference helps their odds.

I also like Tampa to make the play-offs. New Orleans will win the division, but TB should get better as the season progresses.

Buffalo hinges Allen's development, to me. Feels like even with a year-to-year turnover that they're still pretty skilled defensively and hoping for some general growth on offense.
It feels like they were built rather well and Diggs is a move you make if you're feeling you're on the right track to make a move.

[Fro]

Pass interference replay is dead. They changed the rule for one year because of a bad call in the NFCCG and then realized it was dumb and are not bringing it back. Maybe if that call goes the other way the saints beat the pats in the super bowl so I’m not complaining. But as for the rule, yes it was a bad idea from the start.

[Percussion]

So word on the street is the Thurs night season opener is Sept. 10 - Texans @ Chiefs

I'm good with this..

[Jordo]

Pass interference replay is dead. They changed the rule for one year because of a bad call in the NFCCG and then realized it was dumb and are not bringing it back. Maybe if that call goes the other way the saints beat the pats in the super bowl so I’m not complaining. But as for the rule, yes it was a bad idea from the start.

It was so fucking weird because they had the ability to challenge it but it had to be so egregious that challenging it was almost always a waste.

[Kdestiny]

Bears could maybe win their first 3 so that's fun

[3puppies]

It was so fucking weird because they had the ability to challenge it but it had to be so egregious that challenging it was almost always a waste.

This.

When they weren't upholding challenges, that according to the language of the rule, that they should have, it became clear that this was a one-year experiment doomed from the start.

Guess we have to wait for another egregious non-call, in a highly visible spot with dramatic implications, for this to get brought up again and maybe done right.

[Fro]

Well see I preferred the challenge of PI being used only on egregious mis-calls not normal mis-calls because like holding, if you called it by the book on review then there could be countless overturns each game. If you guys are saying you would like them to keep the rule in place and overturn more calls by the letter of the law, I disagree. That hurts the game more than it helps it in my opinion.

[Jordo]

Well see I preferred the challenge of PI being used only on egregious mis-calls not normal mis-calls because like holding, if you called it by the book on review then there could be countless overturns each game. If you guys are saying you would like them to keep the rule in place and overturn more calls by the letter of the law, I disagree. That hurts the game more than it helps it in my opinion.

I think you're right, letter of the law would of hurt the game. I do think the bar was a bit too high though.

I guess in my head I thought there was a better way you could do it. Overturn a few more calls but still let the guys play.

Would of been a delicate balance and you risk setting a precedent with every overturbed call. Probably best they got rid of it.

[Percussion]

PFF50: The NFL's 50 best players entering the 2020 season (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-50-best-players-entering-the-2020-season)


1. DI AARON DONALD, LOS ANGELES RAMS

No matter how good you think Aaron Donald is, you’re underselling it. He is the best player in the NFL by a distance, and only the fact that his position doesn’t impact a game as heavily as quarterback or even receiver makes that in any way a debate. Since entering the league, Donald owns the best pressure rate, the best pass-rush win rate (factoring in wins at the line that don’t result in pressures), the best PFF pass-rushing grade and the most total pressures. He has done all this from an interior alignment on the defensive line, where pressure is harder to come by than on the edge. The gap between Donald and the next-best interior player is bigger than it is between any other player and the rest of his peers, and he remains atop this list for the fourth-straight year.

2. QB PATRICK MAHOMES, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

If there’s a player who has a hope of rivaling Donald as the best in the league regardless of position, it’s likely Mahomes. What we’re seeing from the young quarterback has never been done before — not necessarily statistically, but stylistically. His feel for the game and ability to make special plays as a passer is absurd. Since Mahomes entered the league, his PFF passing grade on third-and-long alone is 91.4, and his passer rating is 125.3 — comfortably the best in the league. Nobody can do what Mahomes can right now, and 2020 should bring about an even better version than last year if he stays healthy.

3. WR JULIO JONES, ATLANTA FALCONS

Julio Jones is the most productive pass-catcher in football at a time when that skill has never been more valuable. Over the past three seasons, Jones leads all receivers in yards per route run, a statistic he led the NFL in for four straight years. Over almost any time span you choose, he is the league’s leader in receiving yards gained and has now had five straight years with a PFF grade above 90.0, with the three seasons preceding those above 80.0. Jones is the best receiver in the NFL, and he climbs further up the all-time lists with each passing season.

4. G QUENTON NELSON, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

Quenton Nelson is the rare player who brings everybody together. Whether you study tape exclusively, data exclusively, dots exclusively or any combination thereof, everybody agrees Nelson is a superstar. In just his second season in the league, he earned a 91.2 overall PFF grade, didn’t surrender a sack and was a dominant force as a run-blocker. Nelson was a bona fide star early in his college career, and there’s a good chance he could get even better in 2020 and beyond.

5. TE GEORGE KITTLE, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

Over the past decade, five of the top seven single-season PFF grades at tight end belong to Rob Gronkowski, but the grade George Kittle racked up last season tops any of them. Kittle, like Gronk, is an elite receiver at the position while also a rare blocker who becomes a matchup problem because he can dominate smaller players in that facet just as easily as he can win in the passing game. Last season was his first truly dominant year, but it was so good that it’s tough not to rank him this highly based on what the future could hold.

6. WR MICHAEL THOMAS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

Michael Thomas sometimes gets dismissed as a top receiver because he doesn’t get deployed or utilized the same way some of the other top players do, but that shouldn’t detract from his dominance. Since Thomas entered the league, nobody else comes close to the number of first-down catches he has, and only Julio Jones has generated more yards per route run. Thomas is the NFL’s ultimate chain-mover, and even though teams know exactly what he’s going to do, almost none come close to stopping him.

7. QB RUSSELL WILSON, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

Russell Wilson made it only to No. 33 in PFF’s All-Decade 101 list, but he has taken his game to another level over the past couple of seasons. In 2019, it was Wilson — not Lamar Jackson — who led all players in PFF WAR (wins above replacement) and had the second-best overall PFF grade. Over the past three years, Wilson has 27 more big-time throws (PFF’s highest-graded passes) than any other passer, while 12 quarterbacks have more turnover-worthy plays than him. Wilson is held back only by how little his own team puts the ball in his hands.

8. QB LAMAR JACKSON, BALTIMORE RAVENS

Though Russell Wilson had a higher PFF WAR figure than Lamar Jackson in 2019, Jackson was a very worthy NFL MVP. He is a unique talent who gives defenses nightmares as they work to contain both his passing threat and rushing ability, and he is the cornerstone that allows the Ravens to build a custom offense tailored to his talents. Jackson may well reinvent the quarterback position and, at the very minimum, will be one of the hardest players to limit as long as he continues to play at this level.

9. WR DEANDRE HOPKINS, ARIZONA CARDINALS

What DeAndre Hopkins has been able to do in his NFL career with the quarterbacks he’s worked with, outside of Deshaun Watson, has been remarkable. He should be able to maintain strong quarterback play heading into 2020 with a new team and Kyler Murray under center. Over the past three years, no receiver has a higher PFF receiving grade than Hopkins’ 93.7 mark, and he has the fourth-most contested catches — all while dropping just 11 passes on 469 targets.

10. RB CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY, CAROLINA PANTHERS

Christian McCaffrey is the perfect running back for today’s NFL. One of the few players with the skills to line up as a wide receiver but also repeatedly carry the ball between the tackles, he has been the Panthers’ offense for the past couple of seasons. In 2019, he touched the ball 403 times from scrimmage, racking up over 2,000 yards and breaking 65 tackles along the way. It marked the second consecutive year he had more than 100 receptions, and his 116 catches were the most by a running back in NFL history.

full list in the link up top..

[CWE]

9th best player for spare change. Fire Bill O Brien

[Randolph]

Drew Brees joins a long list of celebrities that can't stop themselves from saying something that's going to piss off their fanbase. Even teammate Michael Thomas and Lebron James were on his ass.

[3puppies]

Drew Brees joins a long list of celebrities that can't stop themselves from saying something that's going to piss off their fanbase. Even teammate Michael Thomas and Lebron James were on his ass.

Check out teammate Malcolm Jenkins' response to Brees. "I can't let this slide" and "You're part of the problem". Jenkins and the other players around the league would be hypocrites if they ignored Brees' comments here.

I don't think Brees is a bad guy, but he's just wrong on this. And he's attempted to walk part of it back, but since there's nothing else going on in football, this is getting a lot of attention.

[3puppies]

Brees has issued a pretty heartfelt apology. He's listening now. I wonder if he will take a knee now along with other players, and encourage the whole team - and perhaps the few fans they allow in a mostly empty stadium, to join in taking a knee during the national anthem. Because this isn't about the Flag and the Anthem.

[Percussion]

It feels like, symbolically at least, Brees taking a knee during the anthem now would be pretty huge..

[3puppies]

All of this makes me wonder if Kaepernick may get signed.

[Percussion]

Kaepernick doesn't want to get signed..

[Fro]

It feels like, symbolically at least, Brees taking a knee during the anthem now would be pretty huge..

I doubt he will given his stance on the matter (pun intended), but it would be a nice gesture.


Kaepernick doesn't want to get signed..

Is that really what you have gleaned from the white media?

[Percussion]

Does the 'white media' have black members?

Just wanna make sure I've racially categorized my sports media appropriately..

Is espn 'white media', particularly given their designation as 'liberal media'..

[Rancid_Planet]

Percs right. Colin doesn't want to get signed. And I'm not slighting him. He just doesn't want that role. And good for him. I think he can do a lot more in other areas of life.

But you don't show up to a "workout" for the NFL wearing what he wore because you're SO interested in coming back and playing football for the league that turned it's back on you and your cause.

You do it because you want to make a statement and get some eyeballs on you to further a message. Which again, is fine. I happen to agree with that message for the most part and I'm happy to see Colin continue to be a voice on these issues.

[Percussion]

Right.. i meant zero disrespect toward Kaep or his message, just in terms of him really really wanting to be a full time nfl qb again.. and the likelihood of him beginning that career again as a backup..

Given all the previous reports it didn't exactly add up to that being the case..

[Pablo Diablo]

Initially he was 100% blackballed from any position which he would have accepted at the time.

These days I don't think he'd take anything but a starting position which is not a realistic expectation anymore.

[Fro]

Does the 'white media' have black members?

Just wanna make sure I've racially categorized my sports media appropriately..

Is espn 'white media', particularly given their designation as 'liberal media'..

haha my phrasing probably distorted my question.

you guys really believe kaep doesnt want to be an NFL QB? I mean at this point after being blackballed for so many years he might be past it but that seems like a pretty false or presumptive thing to say. the workout was complicated, I won't claim to know what was going on there except to say I don't think it proves he doesn't want to be signed. that's for sure what the NFL wants you to think, and what the NFL wants you to think is usually far from the truth.

[Percussion]

When I hear blackball I tend to think of a sort of collusionary exclusion of a candidate from a membership.. and I'm not sure that's what really happened with Kaep.

It seemed to me that team owners, without necessarily meeting and agreeing with one another, each came to their own conclusions that signing Kaep to be a potential face of your franchise just didn't total up to be worth it.. he wasn't good enough to outweigh the distraction.. and to be clear I don't mean he's not good enough to be an NFL qb, and I don't mean the 'distraction' in this case was without merit.. just that from any one particular owner or another who may have considered signing Kaep throughout that time they didn't deem the totality of his talent vs extracurriculars to be quite enough on the positive side of the ledger..

Maybe though they did all call one another and collectively agreed he couldn't join their club but I just kinda doubt it.

[Percussion]

Several Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans players test positive for coronavirus (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/15/us/dallas-cowboys-houston-texans-coronavirus-spt-trnd/index.html)

Of course it's bound to happen to some degree, but man, having 50-100 players plus staff all sharing spaces and being tested regularly.. sounds like the covid carousel is just warming up..

[Bandit]

When I hear blackball I tend to think of a sort of collusionary exclusion of a candidate from a membership.. and I'm not sure that's what really happened with Kaep.

It seemed to me that team owners, without necessarily meeting and agreeing with one another, each came to their own conclusions that signing Kaep to be a potential face of your franchise just didn't total up to be worth it.. he wasn't good enough to outweigh the distraction.. and to be clear I don't mean he's not good enough to be an NFL qb, and I don't mean the 'distraction' in this case was without merit.. just that from any one particular owner or another who may have considered signing Kaep throughout that time they didn't deem the totality of his talent vs extracurriculars to be quite enough on the positive side of the ledger..

Maybe though they did all call one another and collectively agreed he couldn't join their club but I just kinda doubt it.

This may be selective memory but I feel like I remember reading that it was discussed at an owners meeting how much of a distraction he'd be to the league if a team were to sign him

[Percussion]

I could certainly be wrong of course, but I don't have any memory of that at all..

[3puppies]

This may be selective memory but I feel like I remember reading that it was discussed at an owners meeting how much of a distraction he'd be to the league if a team were to sign him

I seem to recall it differently, that Kaep alleged this, as it was unproven, but the owners agreed to the settlement with him, as Kaep / the courts could have easily compelled them to provide full summary of everything that was discussed at the owner's meetings, and not only that, but they could have also forced all the owners to go under deposition. The owners won't admit to being racists themselves, but they all believe that some of their peers are probably racist. So this could have gotten really ugly when parts of those depositions would have gotten leaked to the public. Additionally, they didn't want this to drag on while they were negotiating an extension of the collective bargaining agreement, which has since been ratified.

[Bandit]

I think what you posted sounds more accurate

[Fro]

Cam Newton signs a one year deal with the Patriots

[Percussion]

New England Patriots fined $1.1 million, lose draft pick in film crew fallout (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29380577/new-england-patriots-fined-11-million-lose-draft-pick-film-crew-fallout)

[BGMaverick]

I was expecting New England to go into the season with a scaled back offense, focused more on the run. That was going to help protect Stidham and buy him some time. Once outside factors could come into play, I figured Taysom Hill and Newton were going to be a player for them. Belichick is all about the multidimensional weapons and those guys fit the bill. They've got a skilled guy ready to run the offense and I expect it to be an enhanced version of what they were looking to do since Newton is light years ahead of Stidham. I still think it's a run-based offense but it has a better chance to evolve quicker. It all really hinges on Newton's health, which I'm hesitant to buy in on due to the fact that the offense is probably going to allow him or open him up to some more hits. I think Harry and maybe Sanu have a chance to connect with Newton. It's possible Edelman has one more year left of magic but the volume is probably fleeting. I'm still inclined to think they may be chasing Buffalo in the division, regardless.

The punishment doesn't make a lick of sense. This is allegedly a violation in the vain of Spygate, so this should be a second warning yet it doesn't come across as that severe. If Newton actually pans out and flies the coup, the compensatory pick is going to likely wash out the pick they lost.

[Fro]

the violation makes sense in that it was a nothing offense that any other team wouldn't have made news for, but since it's the Pats they have to give them something to placate the other owners. this will be the case until Belichick retires - they sneeze wrong and it's a million and a pick.

saying a comp pick washes it out doesn't make sense. you have two hundred dollar bills in your hand and I steal one from you. you're saying the existence of the other one washes it out?

[Fro]

Tom and Cam

https://nerdstation.ir/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/%D8%B3%D9%BE%D8%B1-%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A7-.jpg

[BGMaverick]

the violation makes sense in that it was a nothing offense that any other team wouldn't have made news for, but since it's the Pats they have to give them something to placate the other owners. this will be the case until Belichick retires - they sneeze wrong and it's a million and a pick.

saying a comp pick washes it out doesn't make sense. you have two hundred dollar bills in your hand and I steal one from you. you're saying the existence of the other one washes it out?

It's a misguided narrative based on the team in question. They got dinged for an obvious violation with Spygate. What they're being accused of with this incident is a continued pattern or that's the narrative that's being presumed. If that's the case and this punishment is not as severe and the first punishment wasn't enough of a deterrent, how exactly is a lesser punishment going to now be a deterrent? It was a waste of time and energy cooking this up.

If Cam is as good as people think and he doesn't stay with the team, they're going to get a compensatory pick and the odds of it equaling out to the third (or in your scenario, $100), then it's a wash. In the meantime, they likely saw success in the year inbetween and that will like add value to the franchise (or the wallet). If he stays and is legit, I got something better than losing my $100. I'm not hung up on the short-term ramifications with your setup/scenario.

[Fro]

what does cam newton have to do with the patriots spying on the bengals tho

it just doesnt make sense. by that logic you could take a pick from any team with a comp pick in the same round and call it a wash

it would only be a wash if the patriots signed cam, but got busted for tampering with him and docked a third round pick, then got a 3rd round pick back for him leaving. that my friend would be a wash.

[BGMaverick]

what does cam newton have to do with the patriots spying on the bengals tho

it just doesnt make sense. by that logic you could take a pick from any team with a comp pick in the same round and call it a wash

it would only be a wash if the patriots signed cam, but got busted for tampering with him and docked a third round pick, then got a 3rd round pick back for him leaving. that my friend would be a wash.

He doesn't have anything to do with the penalty they suffered right now, but he can negate the brunt of the impact of that penalty going forward.

[Fro]

He doesn't have anything to do with the penalty they suffered right now, but he can negate the brunt of the impact of that penalty going forward.

similarly, joe thuney leaving in free agency in 2021 will wash out the lost third round pick, in fact the patriots will end up with a gain of 1 third round pick if cam and joe both go, so the league is actually rewarding the patriots with 1 extra pick for spying on the bengals.... said some idiot probably.

i dont really care about the third round pick but I do care about how poor this logic is, that getting a comp pick for unrelated roster activity means the penalty is washed away.

i mean yes, these two things both happened today with the press revealing the news within hours of each other. I understand that coincidence links them in your head. I am just pointing out the stupidity of it.

[BGMaverick]

similarly, joe thuney leaving in free agency in 2021 will wash out the lost third round pick, in fact the patriots will end up with a gain of 1 third round pick if cam and joe both go, so the league is actually rewarding the patriots with 1 extra pick for spying on the bengals.... said some idiot probably.

i dont really care about the third round pick but I do care about how poor this logic is, that getting a comp pick for unrelated roster activity means the penalty is washed away.

i mean yes, these two things both happened today with the press revealing the news within hours of each other. I understand that coincidence links them in your head. I am just pointing out the stupidity of it.

My main point was that the penalty is absurd and something that doesn't make a lot of sense. If the goal was to placate owners, I'm not exactly sure how this does the trick. If I'm speeding and I get a ticket and have another violation and get a slap on the wrist, what exactly is stopping me from feeling like I'm in danger if I have another violation? This is working backwards in terms of penalties. It just sounds like they're trying to tarnish the legacy of the key remaining pieces and that doesn't even get accomplished.

My other point was that what they're losing is easily going to get recouped so it's nothing to get hung up on...so again, a pretty pointless punishment.

[Fro]

anyway

I don't know if cam will have a good enough year to get a contract worthy of a 3rd round comp pick. I certainly hope so, and I'm excited for the signing since we got him out of the bargain bin. We'll await the final numbers but from what I heard it will be low guarantees with incentives up to only $7 million. I'm all for it and it'll be fun seeing what Bill and Josh can draw up for him. He's very much the opposite of Brady so that should be intriguing to see if/how they pivot their offensive style. Will he beat out Stidham for the starting job? Probably yes but it's no guarantee.

$7.5 million for a 31 year old former MVP QB is a steal, in my eyes, assuming the reported contract turns out to be true.

[Percussion]

Who ultimately comes out happiest in the de facto 4-team QB swap..?

T Brady --> Tampa Bay
J Winston --> New Orleans
T Bridgwater --> Carolina
C Newton --> New England

[BGMaverick]

I’d still say it’s Tampa.

[son_of_foley]

I love big Teddy Bridgewater

[PurePlayer]

Who ultimately comes out happiest in the de facto 4-team QB swap..?

T Brady --> Tampa Bay
J Winston --> New Orleans
T Bridgwater --> Carolina
C Newton --> New England

Pats

[Fro]

Who ultimately comes out happiest in the de facto 4-team QB swap..?

T Brady --> Tampa Bay
J Winston --> New Orleans
T Bridgwater --> Carolina
C Newton --> New England

That's hard to say. If the Bucs make a playoff run, adding Brady will have been invaluable and will benefit them for multiple years, putting them on the map again as a marquee franchise for a couple years. I have high hopes for what they will do.

Cam's a complete low risk high upside signing. Likely a one-year rental but he could be playing on a cap hit of only $1.5 million which is nuts for a starting QB of his caliber. His incentives to bring his salary up to $7.5 million will not count against the cap since they will be "not likely to be earned" because he didn't hit those thresholds last year when hurt. None of this is confirmed but if that's the case, I mean how can you be unhappy with that value. Even if he stinks and has a tantrum and they cut him, at worst it hurts Stidham's development a little bit. Upside is he returns to Pro Bowl form and leads the Patriots into a playoff run, in which case the Pats can be super happy about the swap.

Winston is a backup, barring a Brees injury that signing won't factor in much.

Bridgewater is a guy I don't have a lot of expectations for but he could surprise me. They have good skill players around him so he's set up in a good position. The comparison of his season versus Cam's seems like it will be brought up a lot considering how they let Cam go and he signed for peanuts.

TLDR: Bucs or Patriots.

[Fro]

$1.1375 million is the expected cap hit for Cam Newton. Some guys with higher ones:

Dolphins Josh Rosen $2.17m
Raiders Nathan Peterman $2.133m
Eagles Nate Sudfeld $2m
Bucs Ryan Griffin $1.645m
Giants Cooper Rush $1.25m

[Percussion]

Sources: Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes agree to 10-year extension (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29418825/sources-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-agree-10-year-extension)

Whoa..

[Fro]

I look forward to seeing the details. This will be a monumental deal. If it’s tied to the cap as reported, it will be precedent setting beyond just the dollar figures.

[Chris Scott]

Mad contract that.

I bet Dak is fuming

[Percussion]

Per Schefter..


Compensation update: Patrick Mahomes’ 10-year extension is worth $450 million, sources tell ESPN.

The injury guarantee is $140 million, per source.

The contract does not contain language that ties its value to a percentage of the salary cap.

Richest deal in sports’ history.

Great deal right now for Pat, perhaps a very great deal down the road for KC..

We knew he'd turn shit up in this deal, and it sure didn't disappoint.

[Percussion]

Update from Schefty..


Final Patrick Mahomes’ deal:

10-year extension worth up to $503 million.

It includes $477 in guarantee mechanisms and the ability for Mahomes to have outs if guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised.

[Rancid_Planet]

Watson gonna get paid. Jesus lol.

[Percussion]

I don't really think Pat's deal really affects DW's all that much. Both the uniqueness of the structure of the contract and the uniqueness of the player will keep Mahomes' contract standing apart.

Watson's definitely gonna paid though, no doubt. It just won't be in that stratosphere dollar-wise or in a similar setup contractually, I don't think.

[3puppies]

It seems clear that this contract will be re-opened in a few years, as the year the guarantee kicks in there is an enormous hit for cap purposes. Mahomes will likely get an additional $50 million tacked on, so this contract will end up earning him a half-billion.

[Percussion]

The year what guarantee kicks in?

[3puppies]

As I understand it, a big portion of the extension is guaranteed, but it doesn't become a cap hit until some of the incentives may or may not be reached. So once Mahomes reaches those incentives, there's a big cap hit, which means the Chiefs will want to re-do the contract. And since the contract may extend past the CBA and the league's network TV deals, they will be playing with a different set of numbers then.

The cap rules are complex, but its clear that clubs want to structure deals over long periods of time, and then revise them later, to give themselves more cap room.

[Fro]

the incentives are only for $2.5 million per year ($1.25 million for winning AFC Champ Game, $1.25 million for NFL MVP) so that won't make a huge impact on the cap hit. in 2027 his cap hit will reach $60 million so that seems like when they might want to restructure if he's still elite by then.

[Percussion]

As I understand it, a big portion of the extension is guaranteed, but it doesn't become a cap hit until some of the incentives may or may not be reached. So once Mahomes reaches those incentives, there's a big cap hit, which means the Chiefs will want to re-do the contract. And since the contract may extend past the CBA and the league's network TV deals, they will be playing with a different set of numbers then.

The cap rules are complex, but its clear that clubs want to structure deals over long periods of time, and then revise them later, to give themselves more cap room.

What?

It's only guaranteed from year to year (or two at a time early on). All which are yearly cap hits. And the only incentives are playoff or mvp bonuses.

[Matthew]

go bills

[Pablo Diablo]

Washington's name change might actually happen.

[Fro]

I think it will definitely happen now due to the sponsors pulling out. And that's great. It is such an overtly racist name and should unquestionably be changed.

I don't have a strong take on what the replacement name should be. Of the two most discussed options so far, Washington Warriors and Washington Redtails both sound fine to me.

[Percussion]

I vote Redtails.

Dignified, historically significant, seemingly smooth transition imo..

[3puppies]

I heard they really wanted to maintain a name that begins with the letter R. But Washington Racists probably won't fly, nor will Rednecks. Washington Rejects probably describes them as well.

And Percussion, I think I mis-heard how much of Mahomes' contract is guaranteed. I am certainly no expert on the cap rules, I merely know enough to be dangerous.

Folks have been complaining about their name for a long long time. I recall Chris Rock's first album pointing out "That's not nice" Like calling them the New York N-word, or Denver Dykes

[BGMaverick]

I think Washington needs a full overhaul with the name. I'd get rid of Washington and go with DC. If they're insisting on it starting with an R, Renegades probably works with either Washington or DC. They don't have a lot of time to make a sweeping change to their franchise, so good luck to them.

[Fro]

I think Washington needs a full overhaul with the name. I'd get rid of Washington and go with DC. If they're insisting on it starting with an R, Renegades probably works with either Washington or DC. They don't have a lot of time to make a sweeping change to their franchise, so good luck to them.

I don’t hate DC Renegades in a vacuum but while the XFL didn’t last long and won’t be remembered, that is too soon and too much of a cross between Dallas Renegades and DC Defenders. I think they should stick with Washington because while yes they’ve sucked for a while and have a shit owner, they still have a really solid fanbase so the full overhaul seems too much to me. I still want to see WAS on the scoreboard.

Also the XFL could still come back (maybe?)

[BGMaverick]

I don’t hate DC Renegades in a vacuum but while the XFL didn’t last long and won’t be remembered, that is too soon and too much of a cross between Dallas Renegades and DC Defenders. I think they should stick with Washington because while yes they’ve sucked for a while and have a shit owner, they still have a really solid fanbase so the full overhaul seems too much to me. I still want to see WAS on the scoreboard.

I'm not married to anything in regards to them but I don't see the negative in really going with a full overhaul for the franchise. The odds of Snyder coming up with something stupid is relatively high. The easiest win out of all of this, other than the obvious action to eschew offensive names, is a poorly-run organization gets to easily boost their merchandise sales.

[Fro]

I wouldn't change the color scheme either- it is classic! I think what you’re describing (full name change and style change) would be the type of stupid decision you’re wanting them to avoid.

Washington Wizards was lame although it has grown on me over the years once they changed their god awful original jerseys.

[Chris Scott]

Quick question why now all the pressure on Washington to change names all of a sudden?

[Matthew]

because all the race stuff going on really amped up the change. snyder, the owner, has been getting shit for years about it. now things have hit a boiling point here in the states, so he is finally caving.

[Chris Scott]

Makes sense but yeah should’ve been changed a long time a go.

[BGMaverick]

Makes sense but yeah should’ve been changed a long time a go.

Yup, which probably would have been easier in terms of rushing into that now before the season starts...and dealing with proper procedure during a pandemic and other things. But hey, stupid owners eventually have to be put into the crosshairs.

[Chris Scott]

Agreed.

Hearing Washington Warriors is not favourite.

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Speaking of Washington, what the hell happened to Jordan Reed?

[BigAl]

Agreed.

Hearing Washington Warriors is not favourite.

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Speaking of Washington, what the hell happened to Jordan Reed?

Concussions happened. Had one during the preseason last year and missed all season because of it. That was his seventh since he started playing in college. They released him in February.

[3puppies]

because all the race stuff going on really amped up the change. snyder, the owner, has been getting shit for years about it. now things have hit a boiling point here in the states, so he is finally caving.

Snyder is facing pressure from the minority owners - they are concerned about their investment value in this environment. This season's revenue will be lower without spectators. When Fed-Ex talks about considering whether its worth it to remain an investor in the team, and continue to face backlash in this racially charged environment, there's real fear that the story would change from the games, to the protests outside a stadium with their name on it.

[Chris Scott]

Concussions happened. Had one during the preseason last year and missed all season because of it. That was his seventh since he started playing in college. They released him in February.

Dam I didn’t know it was that many.

I’m guessing his career is over?

[BGMaverick]

R-words reportedly will lose their team nickname tomorrow. Still no word on what the replacement name will be.

[Kdestiny]

Dam I didn’t know it was that many.

I’m guessing his career is over?

Still only 30, so he has some time if he can stay healthy enough

[Fro]

R-words reportedly will lose their team nickname tomorrow. Still no word on what the replacement name will be.

it seems unlikely that they will even announce the new name tomorrow

[BGMaverick]

it seems unlikely that they will even announce the new name tomorrow

Wouldn't presume they would knock out two birds with one stone. That'd be an awfully quick turnaround. To get rid of it and already have a new one in the bag feels like giving them too much credit lol. Artificially, they have until the 28th so we'll see.

[BGMaverick]

Still only 30, so he has some time if he can stay healthy enough

Sounds like three teams might be interested in him. Why, I'm not exactly sure. Based on his history, the risk doesn't necessarily seem worth the reward.

[Kdestiny]

Sounds like three teams might be interested in him. Why, I'm not exactly sure. Based on his history, the risk doesn't necessarily seem worth the reward.

Its definitely risky.

If healthy he could definitely be a top 5 TE

[BGMaverick]

Its definitely risky.

If healthy he could definitely be a top 5 TE

Definitely going nowhere near that projection, especially since he didn't play last season. Hope he's alright but it doesn't seem like a smart idea...but hey, Chicago signed Jimmy Graham and he's dust.

[Kdestiny]

Yes, I know Chicago made a bad decision.

Is what they are best at.

Could've paid several other better TEs for less

[BGMaverick]

Yes, I know Chicago made a bad decision.

Is what they are best at.

Could've paid several other better TEs for less

Haha, didn't mean that to be a ricochet that you caught.

[Percussion]

This is one down ass fan..

One man holds multiple trademarks on potential Washington Redskins replacement names (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/us/washington-nfl-trademark-spt-trnd/index.html)


McCauley first trademarked the Washington Pigskins in 2015, and while he has lost count himself, a search of the US Trademark and Patent Office website shows that he holds trademarks for names such as the Washington Monuments, Washington Redtails, Washington Veterans, Washington Red Wolves and Washington Warriors.