All Elite Wrestling

[Ringo]

tonight's dynamite was a great go home show. really the last two weeks have done a ton to build up my anticipation of the wembley show.

All of this. In comparison to some of the dream cards being touted a while back it's still a disappointing card and the build for some matches has been lacklustre but this show did so much to bring me back in. GREAT promos from MJF, Ospreay, Jericho and Christian. Loved the awkwardness of the FTR/Bucks sit down. Eddie Kingston sold the emotion of Fenix's attack brilliantly as usual. The only miss was Swerve's nonsensical turn on AR Fox and Darby's sudden forgiveness.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Concur that the turn on Fox seems premature, but part of me also wonders if it might be a...well...a swerve to have him sabotage the other team. Not getting my hopes up there.


Otherwise I agree that this was an awesome episode. Felt so hot and made the card feel like a big deal. One nice touch I liked about the MJF/Cole interviews was that with all this story, you wouldn't expect Cole to be the one the flip out and shut down the interview when his friendship was questioned. It feels incredibly in character after stuff like the McAffee incident, and was a unique wrinkle that makes you buy into the fact that MJF is maybe being genuinely genuine for once and Cole is the asshole in the situation. Don't think it pans out that way in the end, but it was a nice touch that keeps people on their toes.

Also that Osprey/Jericho promo was way better than it had any right to be. And Mix/Fenix was a legit barnburner.

[Murphy]

Yeah, that AR Fox heel turn reminded me of Ahmed Johnson joining the Nation back in the day. Pointless.

[Badger]

Fucking British Airways cancelled my flight. Got a text with no explanation so had to change my travel/hotel arrangements.

Still going to make the show but bloody fuming. Bet it’s lack of staff at Heathrow or something.

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

Hope you make it down Badger!

Has anyone took a rajahwwf.com sign?!

[Murphy]

Hope you got there OK, Badger.

Seeing all the build up now and all the folks on X talking about it and I do wish I'd gotten a ticket now. 6pm start time means getting home probably wouldn't have been a problem. Oh well.

I hope the weather holds. Looking forward to watching the show later on.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Ok, that entranceway is such a badass setup.

[Psycho666Soldier]

FTR/Bucks 3 was an easy A+ match for me. The best of their trilogy. Absolutely loved it

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

ffs Moxley...:freak:

[Peter Griffin]

#FireCMPunk

[Psycho666Soldier]

I mean from the sounds of it, Jack Perry started it, so it's really Perry's fault. Don't know the whole story and all that, but it sounds like Jack's being a child.

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

Some the camera work / production / whatever you want to call it is shite. It's like they have no idea what the wrestlers are going to do (but then, I suppose that's sort of kayfabe...)... and this coffin match has gone on about 10 minutes too long.

[Peter Griffin]

I mean from the sounds of it, Jack Perry started it, so it's really Perry's fault. Don't know the whole story and all that, but it sounds like Jack's being a child.

If by started it you mean made a comment about the car having real glass then yes, CM Punk is a snowflake bitch, man was out there the other week going on about hangman not being a draw and not selling merchandise and he can't take one comment ffs, fuck him. Its not a coincidence its always punk involved in this nonsense is it?

[Psycho666Soldier]

If by started it you mean made a comment about the car having real glass then yes, CM Punk is a snowflake bitch, man was out there the other week going on about hangman not being a draw and not selling merchandise and he can't take one comment ffs, fuck him. Its not a coincidence its always punk involved in this nonsense is it?

According to the report that happened, Perry got in Punk's face as he was walking out for his match and made it physical.

So tell me, how did Punk start that?

[Mazer]

He was making his face

You know the one

Likely Ace Steele booked Perry to lose after the original glass complaint

Purposely planned to be leaked to fightful during the Elite match



This man is playing backstage politics 4d chess, while everyone else is playing checkers

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

MJF/Cole: Genuinely thought they'd be "co" champions with that finish, which would have been total bullshit.

[Defrost]

I hated everything about that main event

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

I've seen some of the match ratings "fans" are giving bits from the show on twitter/X/whatever... some people are deluded. Tony Khan aint going to sleep with you!


ALL IN 2024 is an interesting shout. Will see how that appertains. Tony flexing on Vince at this point, booking it a year in advance.

[Badger]

Will say more later but had a blast! Visual spectacle and stadium was beautiful with the lights and pyro. Next year will probably do it again but likely getting a train this time. Had a nightmare journey down last night but at least I got here.

They’re still doing LA Knight “Yeeeah” chants and he ain’t even here lol. Dude is over!

[Mazer]

Will say more later but had a blast! Visual spectacle and stadium was beautiful with the lights and pyro. Next year will probably do it again but likely getting a train this time. Had a nightmare journey down last night but at least I got here.

They’re still doing LA Knight “Yeeeah” chants and he ain’t even here lol. Dude is over!

Glad you had a good time

[Tainted Eclipse]

I hated everything about that main event

i enjoyed it because i'm into the storyline, but the whole time i was thinking that i'd HATE it if i weren't into the story.

[Defrost]

Ok this Punk story sounds like it's getting good too


Also headscratcher that they're running an Inoki tribute show on a day where New Japan can't send any wrestlers. That relationship is getting very weird. Especially with the rumor that come January AEW is basically signing every foreigner in the company.

[Peter Griffin]

According to the report that happened, Perry got in Punk's face as he was walking out for his match and made it physical.

So tell me, how did Punk start that?

Ask miro

[Badger]

Yeah can’t say for sure but Miro is denying what’s been reported. Anyway some quick highlights. I don’t know how the reactions came across for people buying the show but it seemed like they really only started to get really loud later in the night. Hard to judge accoustics with such a large stadium/audience.

- Pre-show tag was fun. Aussie Open got a few “Aussie Wankers” chants in our bit. It’s amusing how the double clothesline” is being amusingly treated like a death move. Expected win for MJF/Cole.

- Beers were unsurprisingly extortionate but then it is London and stadium prices. Had a nice bucket of wings though! One guy walked away raging at just the price of bottles! I just took the hit.

- Jack Perry got “Jungle Wanker” chants (we’re real imaginative) and a fun brawl. There was the glass spots which Perry referenced lol. Hook got the belt back and his long-awaited revenge but don’t know where Perry is going to go from here.

- Punk/Joe was okay, a bit better than their Collision bout. Interesting finish with the top rope pedigree, kinda wondered if that was a shot at HHH. Not like Punk to be passive aggressive! Most of our section was into Punk but I was cheering Joe. That would be sorta the theme. Guy sitting right next to my left was just taking photos and not reacting to anything. I don’t know if he was just a journalist/reviewer or something.

Six-man was good. I was a bit disappointed we didn’t get to see “Cardblade” lol. Takeshita getting the duke and continuing to be booked strong is great to see.

Stadium Stampede it was a bit hard to keep up with even with the screens. Some nice “You Sick Fuck” chants especially when OC jammed his fists into the bucket of tacks. Sue coming out and handing out “weapons” was funny like the “cookies/biscuits”on trays was funny and got some pops. The obligatory Moxley bleeding. Nice staredown at the end with Moxley/Kingston then OC getting the win.

FTR/Bucks was amazing and delivered like they always do. Not sure if it was the best out of the three as would have to watch them all back but it was amazing to see live. Plenty false finishes, Big Rigs, Superkicks, Meltzer Driver, Sharpshooters. They packed a lot in.

Oh yeah Acclaimed/House of Black. I kinda thought “Bad-Ass” Billy Gunn might’ve gotten his own entrance seeing it was meant to be a different persona. Nevertheless it was great to finally see him live after watching him for all these years. Although I think the feud’s gone on maybe a bit long, nice moment for the Acclaimed/Billy in front of such a huge crowd. Strange but understandable watching but not getting the scissoring until the end. I was screaming “Scissor Me Daddy Ass” throughout. Nice finish with him kicking out of Black Mass and all the Fameassers plus Mic Drop.

The women’s 4-way was really fun. The end especially was fire when Storm elbowed Saraya’s sister and got a loud “You fucked up” chants. I see there was rumours of Banks/Mone showing up but tbh not bothered. Really happy for Saraya getting her big moment in front of that huge crowd in her country. Looks like the Outcasts may be splitting.

Jericho/Ospreay was really fun and seeing Fozzy/Jericho performing Judas live was such a treat and singing along. Again most of our section cheering Ospreay but I was pulling for Jericho even though it was obvious Ospreay was getting the win.

I really enjoyed the main event personally but will say the story really did help it. I can understand if it’s not everyone’s cup of tea as there was a bit of pantomime involved but being there live it was really fun to watch if maybe not so hot for people buying the show. The clothesline stuff double pin played into the story nicely and the back and forth about cheating and Cole wanting Strong’s help which ultimately cost him the win when he rejected him. I will say I am surprised (in a good way) that they are continuing Cole/MJF being friends as would have expected a turn way before by now. Of course it could still happen but I am enjoying the ride. I think our section was a bit more biased towards MJF but I was cheering for both. Poor butthurt Strong lol.

The pyro, lights and fireworks were just amazing visuals live! Especially when lit up at night. Although my bank account has taken a huuuge hit! Overall amazing experience which I will probably do again but probably not going to fly. Apparently problems with air traffic control systems today and due to fly back tomorrow night so don’t know if it will be sorted by then.

[Peter Griffin]

Top rope pedigree lol that was the fabled Pepsi plunge my dude.

Anyway latest story is Punk confronted Jack, pie faced him and started throwing punches :shifty:

[Badger]

Top rope pedigree lol that was the fabled Pepsi plunge my dude.

Anyway latest story is Punk confronted Jack, pie faced him and started throwing punches :shifty:

Been that long he did it that I forgot but ehh still and always will be a Pedigree to me!

[Nash Diesel]

If by started it you mean made a comment about the car having real glass then yes, CM Punk is a snowflake bitch, man was out there the other week going on about hangman not being a draw and not selling merchandise and he can't take one comment ffs, fuck him. Its not a coincidence its always punk involved in this nonsense is it?

Miro said everything being reported is false. I find it HILARIOUS you go on these weird rants about CM Punk while calling him a snowflake bitch. Says the guy who narcs on people daily from his parents loft.

[Mazer]

I believe Miro's reply was on the first info.

Who knows what was false now?


Likely only Miro. The one purveyor of truth in this mixed-up world.

[Mazer]

I'm curious what the rest of you thought on the roll-up win.


I actually went back and forth. It may have been the best way to keep Max purely in the less-aggressive side of it. I didn't like it in the moment, but kinda have it in the "reserve final judgement" category.

[Badger]

I'm curious what the rest of you thought on the roll-up win.


I actually went back and forth. It may have been the best way to keep Max purely in the less-aggressive side of it. I didn't like it in the moment, but kinda have it in the "reserve final judgement" category.

My initial reaction was “Keep both guys strong” rather than being decisive because this story is going on. It’s an overused plot device but understandable.

[Mazer]

When you combine every promoter's love for Adam Cole and combine it with an MJF storyline that gets a reaction......Tony might book this forever. The Bloodline might look like short-form storytelling.






I'm on "Every promoter loves Adam Cole", like Norm McDonald was on "Germans love David Hasselhoff"

[MTR]

New story going around is that Punk and Perry are suspended while they investigate and both miss All Out. Yeah I call BS on that. Punk will not miss All Out. He will be at tv and everything.

Now I get that Perry started this but just seems like drama follows Punk. He is not always the asshole but because he is trying to be the good locker room vetern and what not he seems to be causing drama even when he doesn't mean to. He probably be better off just keeping his mouth shut and not being so involved with people unless asked but we know that isn't going to happen.

[Nash Diesel]

If any of this stuff is true which nobody involved in any of the last 2 stories have came out publicly and addressed it.

If Tony Khan is giving him the power to flex then he doesn't need to shut his mouth about anything. Despite what some fans think including myself about CM Punk he has earned a spot at the table. Jungle Boy hasn't. Jungle Boy is one of the youngsters along with Hangman who not too long ago were publicly saying they don't need to listen to the vets they've got it all figured out. Do they? Doesn't look like it. Then they get all bitch when the veteran who is calling the shots, no different than a Ric Flair or Dusty Rhodes in the NWA, tells them not to use glass.

So I think Punk is someone who you know what you're getting yourself into if you want to make it more than what it needs to be. People Hangman or Jungle Boy, those are the people who need to shut their mouth they haven't done anything in this business. At all.

[MTR]

Jungle Boy is totally in the wrong but as someone that caused a big ass mess last year I feel like Punk should not have come back and take control of the locker room and such like he has. I don't blame him at all for telling Perry hey don't use glass. That is one thing I think Punk shouldn't have kept his mouth shut about.

And yeah Khan knows what he gets with Punk but why fucking make waves when you come back and try to act like you are doing it for the better of the locker room. This is more towards the shit with Nemeth and not wanting the talent relations person at Collision. Fuck just go do anything but cause waves. Again the shit with Jungle Boy is really on Jungle Boy. He is being a bitch in this case. Punk was not the asshole in that situation.

Minus the Jungle Boy situation he is causing drama even if he is not trying to cause drama. Sit back and just be a vet for the wrestlers and offer advice like he has done. Why say certain people can't be there. That doesn't help any situation.

[BGMaverick]

Jungle Boy is totally in the wrong but as someone that caused a big ass mess last year I feel like Punk should not have come back and take control of the locker room and such like he has. I don't blame him at all for telling Perry hey don't use glass. That is one thing I think Punk shouldn't have kept his mouth shut about.

And yeah Khan knows what he gets with Punk but why fucking make waves when you come back and try to act like you are doing it for the better of the locker room. This is more towards the shit with Nemeth and not wanting the talent relations person at Collision. Fuck just go do anything but cause waves. Again the shit with Jungle Boy is really on Jungle Boy. He is being a bitch in this case. Punk was not the asshole in that situation.

Minus the Jungle Boy situation he is causing drama even if he is not trying to cause drama. Sit back and just be a vet for the wrestlers and offer advice like he has done. Why say certain people can't be there. That doesn't help any situation.

I was generally of the mindset that AEW was going to be fine without Punk and he really should've only been signed if it was like a worst-case scenario and they were grasping at straws. Yes, they're getting a bigger deal with him involved, but I'd like to think they were going to be heading that way once they got healthier in terms of the roster. The juice didn't feel worth the squeeze to me.

Once again, a huge and important night for the company is getting derailed by backstage drama and physicality is involved. Punk is either the victim or the problem. We're seeing a pattern of multiple instances where he's reportedly taking on a role that's bigger than his classification, involved in blowups, and creating a list of enemies that want nothing to do with him or he's ostracizing them.

He just doesn't feel worth the hassle. The company was showing it could be viable before him and I think they would be viable after him.

[Badger]

I was generally of the mindset that AEW was going to be fine without Punk and he really should've only been signed if it was like a worst-case scenario and they were grasping at straws. Yes, they're getting a bigger deal with him involved, but I'd like to think they were going to be heading that way once they got healthier in terms of the roster. The juice didn't feel worth the squeeze to me.

Once again, a huge and important night for the company is getting derailed by backstage drama and physicality is involved. Punk is either the victim or the problem. We're seeing a pattern of multiple instances where he's reportedly taking on a role that's bigger than his classification, involved in blowups, and creating a list of enemies that want nothing to do with him or he's ostracizing them.

He just doesn't feel worth the hassle. The company was showing it could be viable before him and I think they would be viable after him.

Precisely.

My personal feelings about Punk aside and an initial spike in viewership upon his debut, what has he really brought to the table for the company since he showed up? Mostly backstage problems even if not all at fault he’s been the centre of it all. Big chunk of it injured attempting the finisher of a man he despises which is funny irony in itself.

[Nash Diesel]

Jungle Boy is totally in the wrong but as someone that caused a big ass mess last year I feel like Punk should not have come back and take control of the locker room and such like he has. I don't blame him at all for telling Perry hey don't use glass. That is one thing I think Punk shouldn't have kept his mouth shut about.

And yeah Khan knows what he gets with Punk but why fucking make waves when you come back and try to act like you are doing it for the better of the locker room. This is more towards the shit with Nemeth and not wanting the talent relations person at Collision. Fuck just go do anything but cause waves. Again the shit with Jungle Boy is really on Jungle Boy. He is being a bitch in this case. Punk was not the asshole in that situation.

Minus the Jungle Boy situation he is causing drama even if he is not trying to cause drama. Sit back and just be a vet for the wrestlers and offer advice like he has done. Why say certain people can't be there. That doesn't help any situation.

Why do we not direct this same energy toward Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks? They dictate who can and can't be at all 3 shows. They're the EVPs yet instead of handling the CM Punk situation like an EVP would, they try to bow up and got beat up.

I think that's ultimately what bothers people is that some fans of AEW just want the vets to sit back and be told what to do by the non drawing nobodies like Hangman and Jack Perry. People are quick to jump at CM Punk and literally give everyone else a pass.

Be thankful Punk isn't handling like the veterans of his day who would beat your ass in and out of the ring, do fucked up ribs, and ultimately drive you out of the business. Let's try to make it make sense instead of just expecting CM Punk of all fucking people to just allow these people to do and say what they want and go unchecked. Again, if I saw that same energy from people toward everyone else it would make sense. This is low hanging fruit.

[Nash Diesel]

People need to wake up and realize that CM Punk isn't any more of a problem than Sammy Guevara. But because it's CM Punk it's easy to cry about him. 25 years later people still expecting Punk to bend for the industry when it's been the industry forced to bend for him. It's mind blowing that we overlook all the other issues not involving CM Punk, some of which happened long before he even came out of retirement but it's CM Punk. Not Tony Khan, not the EVPs who prance around and talk shit and throw jabs at Punk while he's out injured making light of the beating those 3 took backstage.

Where was the outrage when Kenny Omega was making light of the situation? But the split second Punk responds oh he should be the bigger man be the vet. Motherfuckers acting like Kenny Omega and the Bucks aren't 20 years in the game themselves lol.

[Badger]

People need to wake up and realize that CM Punk isn't any more of a problem than Sammy Guevara. But because it's CM Punk it's easy to cry about him. 25 years later people still expecting Punk to bend for the industry when it's been the industry forced to bend for him. It's mind blowing that we overlook all the other issues not involving CM Punk, some of which happened long before he even came out of retirement but it's CM Punk. Not Tony Khan, not the EVPs who prance around and talk shit and throw jabs at Punk while he's out injured making light of the beating those 3 took backstage.

Where was the outrage when Kenny Omega was making light of the situation? But the split second Punk responds oh he should be the bigger man be the vet. Motherfuckers acting like Kenny Omega and the Bucks aren't 20 years in the game themselves lol.

We get it man. You think Punk’s an easy target for fans just because it’s him and yes there’s been other shit with other guys in the past. Matbe some fans are OTT but there’s a reason for that. Over the past year since that media scrum mess, he’s always been at the centre of it. Yeah he came back for money, I mean who wouldn’t but he just had to stir the shit. Has to use that media scrum to vent out his frustrations bringing negative attention because he just can’t help himself. He just has to air the dirty laundry. Why he can’t just let go/sort his backstage issues and had to be a bitch nearly every time.

Nearly every time he might just have a point, he just cancels that by being a bitch.

[Nash Diesel]

We get it man. You think Punk’s an easy target for fans just because it’s him and yes there’s been other shit with other guys in the past. Matbe some fans are OTT but there’s a reason for that. Over the past year since that media scrum mess, he’s always been at the centre of it. Yeah he came back for money, I mean who wouldn’t but he just had to stir the shit. Has to use that media scrum to vent out his frustrations bringing negative attention because he just can’t help himself. He just has to air the dirty laundry. Why he can’t just let go/sort his backstage issues and had to be a bitch nearly every time.

Nearly every time he might just have a point, he just cancels that by being a bitch.

Again, your clear bias toward Punk is entertaining.

Maybe educate yourself before speaking from blind emotion. Why does CM Punk but nobody have to just let things go? Why is it ok for The Elite to poke the bear while the dude was out with an injury making fun of the fact they got beat up by Old Man Ace and One Armed Punk?

Not to mention, the last 2 stories that we've heard, not a single person involved ever came out and spoke on it. We read dirtsheet posts on social media.

Again, it's low hanging fruit and it makes people who aren't shit in their lives and/or didn't achieve what Punk has in his life start rambling nonsense. So when something supposedly happens it's not, let's look at this objectively it's "Eh CM Punk should've let it go" Why? He hasn't just let it go in 25 years why start now? Why change what brings people to the show to see him? The only people who take issue with Punk are jealous lames stuck on the internet or stuck in his shadow.

[Badger]

Again, your clear bias toward Punk is entertaining.

Maybe educate yourself before speaking from blind emotion. Why does CM Punk but nobody have to just let things go? Why is it ok for The Elite to poke the bear while the dude was out with an injury making fun of the fact they got beat up by Old Man Ace and One Armed Punk?

Not to mention, the last 2 stories that we've heard, not a single person involved ever came out and spoke on it. We read dirtsheet posts on social media.

Again, it's low hanging fruit and it makes people who aren't shit in their lives and/or didn't achieve what Punk has in his life start rambling nonsense. So when something supposedly happens it's not, let's look at this objectively it's "Eh CM Punk should've let it go" Why? He hasn't just let it go in 25 years why start now? Why change what brings people to the show to see him? The only people who take issue with Punk are jealous lames stuck on the internet or stuck in his shadow.

Blind emotion? Could say just about the same thing about you attacking fans who attack Punk lol. So weÂ’re not allowed to take issue at all with him at all is that it?

Not once was I even defending the Elite or anything and between the two stories there’s probably some truth. It’s the manner in which he comes out with this shit. Btw Khan isn’t blameless either as he’s the ringmaster who can’t control the circus but it’s the fact he brings these issues to the forefront every time and makes such a public stink. Why did he have to do it at the media scrum? Why even work with these guys?…oh yeah money lol. No matter who’s right or wrong in the Elite shit, he’s the one that caused the public stink.

You’ll no doubt disagree again but he just can’t help but being a bitch about every public grievance no matter who’s right or wrong in the case it makes it hard to feel sorry for him.

[Nash Diesel]

If you're going to put this all on CM Punk and call him a bitch at least make sense about it. At least be educated and look at more than just what CM Punk did. Again, you made it clear how you feel about CM Punk in another post and it's clear with how much of a bitch he supposedly is lol.

The best part is....We're basing this info on 5th hand info and for all we know none of it happened. If CM Punk is a bitch for calling out the wrestling media and their cornball friends like Hangman and The Bucks so be it. I'm not that big of a mark to where I'm sour that a wrestler shit on dirtsheets and the people who feed them bullshit. The funny part is, there's proof I was sour about Punk and the scrum because I had to show respect to Omega/Bucks for at the very least having the sack to go to this man's dressing room and confront him. They got beat up, then they decided when they returned from suspension to make light of the situation but that's ok to you.

Punk this Punk that, but everyone else gets the pass. Again, AEW had problems before and while he was gone. There's a bigger issue but Punk, being the top shelf name that he is, gets a lot of the shine. It helps get clicks and views on podcasts and social media pages, it helps enrage the fans who want to be Kenny's next Yoshihiko.

[Badger]

If you're going to put this all on CM Punk and call him a bitch at least make sense about it. At least be educated and look at more than just what CM Punk did. Again, you made it clear how you feel about CM Punk in another post and it's clear with how much of a bitch he supposedly is lol.

The best part is....We're basing this info on 5th hand info and for all we know none of it happened. If CM Punk is a bitch for calling out the wrestling media and their cornball friends like Hangman and The Bucks so be it. I'm not that big of a mark to where I'm sour that a wrestler shit on dirtsheets and the people who feed them bullshit. The funny part is, there's proof I was sour about Punk and the scrum because I had to show respect to Omega/Bucks for at the very least having the sack to go to this man's dressing room and confront him. They got beat up, then they decided when they returned from suspension to make light of the situation but that's ok to you.

Punk this Punk that, but everyone else gets the pass. Again, AEW had problems before and while he was gone. There's a bigger issue but Punk, being the top shelf name that he is, gets a lot of the shine. It helps get clicks and views on podcasts and social media pages, it helps enrage the fans who want to be Kenny's next Yoshihiko.

Where did I say everyone else gets a pass? There’s certainly been others and we could be here all night naming examples but Punk seems to be one of the loudest. It just seems to happen too often with him so yeah not going to “educate myself” no thanks.

Maybe you respect the fact Punk’s outspoken and enrages fans for views everywhere he gets for attention but it’s not my cup of tea.

[Romford Pele]

Sounds like Punk was less at fault, but trouble does seem to follow him around. 2nd suspension in just over a year, not good.

I wonder at what point Tony Khan think he isn't worth it anymore.

[Nash Diesel]

I think the fact either was suspended is hilarious. For what? Booker T and Batista went into a room during a Summerslam photoshoot and scrapped. Zero suspensions. And they were friends lol.

I just think that some fans and wrestlers want to see the headline "CM Punk Fired!" and they'll use it as some sort of victory in their lives. CM Punk can kind of come across as a Karen but the people who blindly attack him are the worst Karens. I'm not shocked Peter Griffin hates the guy he's the same guy who called the cops because he saw people walking outside his parents loft.

[Mazer]

If any of this stuff is true which nobody involved in any of the last 2 stories have came out publicly and addressed it.

If Tony Khan is giving him the power to flex then he doesn't need to shut his mouth about anything. Despite what some fans think including myself about CM Punk he has earned a spot at the table. Jungle Boy hasn't. Jungle Boy is one of the youngsters along with Hangman who not too long ago were publicly saying they don't need to listen to the vets they've got it all figured out. Do they? Doesn't look like it. Then they get all bitch when the veteran who is calling the shots, no different than a Ric Flair or Dusty Rhodes in the NWA, tells them not to use glass.

So I think Punk is someone who you know what you're getting yourself into if you want to make it more than what it needs to be. People Hangman or Jungle Boy, those are the people who need to shut their mouth they haven't done anything in this business. At all.

I think Hangman and Jungle Boy are two different entities. Perry's line seems immature. It wasn't relevant to what was going on in the show. Maybe Punk annoyed him, or got too pissy, and he wanted to take a shot. I don't know. And I'm not sure how much I care (which probably means I will type 15 more responses).

I don't have any issue with what Hangman said to Punk in the middle of their feud.

I still compare Hangman's statement to things Punk said to/about people as he was moving up the card, it's hard not to see some level of disconnect. History remembers Punk more kindly because he's better on the mic, and it worked out. While we completely agree that Khan empowers Punk, if your compass is defined by "I can get away with it", it's kinda hard to claim the moral superiority.

Punk reminds me a bit of Eddie Kingston at this point. Eddie will take all kinds of shots at people as people or anything about them. But mentioning his weight is unprofessional or bad for business. Punk gonna continue to cut promos where, he as one of the best on the mic we've had, will take shots at people. But any allusions to anything people don't like about him will be cause for quick escalation.


Or not. Let's ask Miro.

[Nash Diesel]

Just to show how inconsistent the reporting is...I was just on Twitter and now we're hearing reports that CM Punk wasn't even notified of a suspension. Did TK come out and say anything yet?

Also, what's up with the story with Punk and the travel situation when he arrived in London? If he's given so much power from Tony how do you fuck that up? That's some local comic book store bringing you in for a signing type bullshit lol.

[Nash Diesel]

Let's also keep in mind that CM Punk doesn't start any of this he just goes in and finishes it apparently lol. You want to go into business for yourself during a back and forth promo on live tv, you want to feed the dirtsheets lies about Colt Cabana, you want to say you don't care what veterans have to say and then go on live ppv and talk that shit thinking because your dad was Luke Perry and your gf sleeps with the boss=bulletproof...well, you found out--IF it's even true.

Again, I think a lot of people just want to gloat if the guy gets fired like they had a hand in it lol.

[BGMaverick]

Punk reminds me a bit of Eddie Kingston at this point. Eddie will take all kinds of shots at people as people or anything about them. But mentioning his weight is unprofessional or bad for business. Punk gonna continue to cut promos where, he as one of the best on the mic we've had, will take shots at people. But any allusions to anything people don't like about him will be cause for quick escalation.


That last word is the problem. If it escalates, apparently that's when lawyers are going to get involved. No one has to get a lawyer involved in promo battles but if it escalates to physicality, we've got an issue.

FWIW, the reason Punk reportedly wasn't told by Khan about the suspension is because Khan went to Punk's lawyer and delivered the news that way.

Maybe David Zaslav will start to call him “no chill Phil.”

[Mazer]

Let's also keep in mind that CM Punk doesn't start any of this he just goes in and finishes it apparently lol. You want to go into business for yourself during a back and forth promo on live tv, you want to feed the dirtsheets lies about Colt Cabana, you want to say you don't care what veterans have to say and then go on live ppv and talk that shit thinking because your dad was Luke Perry and your gf sleeps with the boss=bulletproof...well, you found out--IF it's even true.

Again, I think a lot of people just want to gloat if the guy gets fired like they had a hand in it lol.

I dunno man. This is the same guy who went on interview tour talking shit about the Rock, because he didn't say "Hi" in the hall, and apparently only the Rock could initiate greetings in those settings. Maybe those things don't count cause they were audio interviews, and not dirtsheets. Talks a lot of shit on Miz, and then one "culture" joke back and he goes all in saudi-blood covered (certainly not a financial situation Punk profited from, but I digress). He and AJ apparently got into a backstage incident with Michelle Beadle ffs. And the Colt Cabana thing...where was Colt going on things talking about Punk? Not that I'm saying Colt doesn't have issues.

I struggle with Punk is always the innocent respondent who just refuses to be bullied. On his ESPN interview, he talked about how he couldn't trust Hangman not to hurt him because of personal issues. Imagine, given the people Punk has had issues with, if Punk applied that standard to himself.

There's even minor things that Punk gets mad about, like Cody texting him to talk rather than call (in fairness Punk is closer to my age, and some of us GenX are still REALLY insistent on text/call protocols).

Any one of these things, we have limited info. It seems a lot with Punk. And we've got enough words straight from his mouth that he can be very rigid in his views, and lack some self-awareness. And he tends to have strong reactions to when things don't go his away.


I agree though. There will probably be a lot of people piling on at some point. If there aren't already.

Except for Miro. He doesn't pile on. He is the pile

[Peter Griffin]

Miro is the best, Miro number one.

[Nash Diesel]

I dunno man. This is the same guy who went on interview tour talking shit about the Rock, because he didn't say "Hi" in the hall, and apparently only the Rock could initiate greetings in those settings. Maybe those things don't count cause they were audio interviews, and not dirtsheets. Talks a lot of shit on Miz, and then one "culture" joke back and he goes all in saudi-blood covered (certainly not a financial situation Punk profited from, but I digress). He and AJ apparently got into a backstage incident with Michelle Beadle ffs. And the Colt Cabana thing...where was Colt going on things talking about Punk? Not that I'm saying Colt doesn't have issues.

I struggle with Punk is always the innocent respondent who just refuses to be bullied. On his ESPN interview, he talked about how he couldn't trust Hangman not to hurt him because of personal issues. Imagine, given the people Punk has had issues with, if Punk applied that standard to himself.

There's even minor things that Punk gets mad about, like Cody texting him to talk rather than call (in fairness Punk is closer to my age, and some of us GenX are still REALLY insistent on text/call protocols).

Any one of these things, we have limited info. It seems a lot with Punk. And we've got enough words straight from his mouth that he can be very rigid in his views, and lack some self-awareness. And he tends to have strong reactions to when things don't go his away.


I agree though. There will probably be a lot of people piling on at some point. If there aren't already.

Except for Miro. He doesn't pile on. He is the pile

I'm not disagreeing with any of that I literally said CM Punk can be a Karen as well. But in these specific to AEW situations that we are talking about, why are we seeing so many people crying about CM Punk responding?

If you want to start up a "Bitch about CM Punk" Thread I'm down to talk about all of those things you're mentioning that have almost nothing to do with the Elite or Jungle Boi scenarios. Those other scenarios don't count because they have nothing to do with what we're talking about. It's almost like a knee jerk reaction with a lot of people who follow AEW. "WHAT ABOUT THIS TIME!?!?!" Who cares about what he said about The Rock, what about what John Cena and Bryan Danielson and Jon Moxley and Dolph Ziggler have said about The Rock? See why it's pointless? lol

Miro is the best man.

[Mazer]

I'm not disagreeing with any of that I literally said CM Punk can be a Karen as well. But in these specific to AEW situations that we are talking about, why are we seeing so many people crying about CM Punk responding?

If you want to start up a "Bitch about CM Punk" Thread I'm down to talk about all of those things you're mentioning that have almost nothing to do with the Elite or Jungle Boi scenarios. Those other scenarios don't count because they have nothing to do with what we're talking about. It's almost like a knee jerk reaction with a lot of people who follow AEW. "WHAT ABOUT THIS TIME!?!?!" Who cares about what he said about The Rock, what about what John Cena and Bryan Danielson and Jon Moxley and Dolph Ziggler have said about The Rock? See why it's pointless? lol

Miro is the best man.

I get your point. I think my main thing is that I don't know that I confidently see CM Punk as the respondent in the majority of the situations. As you said previously, a lot is based on dirt sheets. Did CM Punk throw Colt not want to see Colt? He says no. Other people seem to think yes. So then was he for sure the person not throwing the first shot? Even in AEW specifically, there wasn't much coming from the Elite, and then there was the SI interview which very much directly attacked people's professionalism. And then the shots have been fairly one-sided (at least in public) since then. I have no idea how it went down with Jungle Man Boy Jack Perry, but I have no reason to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. We both don't believe the dirt sheets. And we both think CM Punk is often a Kingston (can we call wrestling Karens "Kingstons"-if we're going to have things that should be one).

So, not trying to disagree with many of your overall points.

The big thing I feel differently on is given the last however many years of Punk is about the originator. On many of these, I have no idea who the first person to be a problem was. I guess I'm less confident in the timeline reporting accuracy (in absence of a statement from Miro). He was probably in the right sometimes. Probably in the wrong somtimes at the start. From the last however many years, I just assume he's the guy who is going to escalate it all the way up at some point, and never see a perspective where he is not completely justified. But you already said he's a karen, so yes we both find his rationalizations grating and self-serving.


You know who could have brought piece to this whole thing? CJ Perry.

She took her bumps like a champ, won the respect of her peers, and still has a happy family despite Rusev's frustations professionally, she keeps their life even keel.

Talk about a power couple.

[lotjx]

All In is a 5 Star PPPV, right up there with WrestleMania Night 1 for PPV of the Year.

[NeseToTheFace]

5 star atmosphere but 5 star ppv is a bit of a stretch

[Peter Griffin]

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt here, he maybe using the meltzer system

[Tainted Eclipse]

cassidy cut one hell of a promo. he should go over mox at the PPV, and it should be the main event.

[Mazer]

At this point, I think it will be.


Tony Khan got mind control over CM Punk. he be like "'shut the fuck up TK" and tk be quiet. But when he leave....tk be talking again.



+5 to anyone who gets the reference.

[MTR]

Fans on Twitter(never going to call it X) losing their shit over the Canadian Destroyer sequence in the OC/Penta match.

I get what they saying but I don't think it ruined the move. Honestly people have been kicking out of it and it has been used just randomly for a while. Just not three times in a row like last night...

[Nash Diesel]

Fans on Twitter(never going to call it X) losing their shit over the Canadian Destroyer sequence in the OC/Penta match.

I get what they saying but I don't think it ruined the move. Honestly people have been kicking out of it and it has been used just randomly for a while. Just not three times in a row like last night...

AEW ruined that move 3-4 years ago where the fuck have these idiots been?

Shit Adam Cole uses it as a finisher and it usually takes about 4-5 to put someone away.

The sequence was stupid, like most in modern wrestling especially in companies like AEW. It's just one of those things you have to look past because it's not going away. It's been this way for at least 15 years.

[Nash Diesel]

At this point, I think it will be.


Tony Khan got mind control over CM Punk. he be like "'shut the fuck up TK" and tk be quiet. But when he leave....tk be talking again.



+5 to anyone who gets the reference.

-5 for using TK in place of D-Bo

As for the ppv.....It would be wise to put OC v. Mox as the main event. I honestly keep forgetting Mox is supposed to be a heel that's how impactful this company's storylines and characters are but in terms of overness OC and MOX makes sense. I'm hoping I can snag some of those $4 tickets.

[Mazer]

-5 for using TK in place of D-Bo

As for the ppv.....It would be wise to put OC v. Mox as the main event. I honestly keep forgetting Mox is supposed to be a heel that's how impactful this company's storylines and characters are but in terms of overness OC and MOX makes sense. I'm hoping I can snag some of those $4 tickets.

TK was in place of Smokey. CM Punk is in place of Deebo


Honestly Nash.....

[Nash Diesel]

TK was in place of Smokey. CM Punk is in place of Deebo


Honestly Nash.....

Yeah I misread that shit completely lol

-25 points me for me

[Donald]

Why on earth would Jack Perry want to use real glass?

[Nash Diesel]

Why on earth would Jack Perry want to use real glass?

Because he's a fucking idiot. Or someone will come in and say "Well, real glass is probably a bad thing but he didn't get seriously hurt" When you hear people post shit like that they are the same people who will tell the cops "I know my son was drunk when he was behind the wheel but at least he didn't kill everyone in the other car"

[Mazer]

You have those guys who want to be "legit" or earn their stripes. Read like anything Mick Foley used to say back back in the 90s. I think that there was a time where the effects of fakes didn't look as good. I don't see that as much of a concern now.

LIke Mick, many people regret it later.

[Donald]

It's so funny to me. If you want to be legit, go into MMA or boxing. Not a predetermined sport where the goal is to keep everyone safe and healthy.

[Nash Diesel]

You have those guys who want to be "legit" or earn their stripes. Read like anything Mick Foley used to say back back in the 90s. I think that there was a time where the effects of fakes didn't look as good. I don't see that as much of a concern now.

LIke Mick, many people regret it later.

Yeah when he was in ECW and Sabu couldn't break the real beer bottle over his head after 10-15 attempts. That was awesome said nobody lol.

There's a difference between being legit and being a dumbfuck. This isn't 1994 at the Bingo Hall. You think Hollywood is like "Damn I wish it was 1912 when we had to use real glass in silent film"

[Nash Diesel]

It's so funny to me. If you want to be legit, go into MMA or boxing. Not a predetermined sport where the goal is to keep everyone safe and healthy.

If that dude wants to be legit he needs to hit the gym and stop dressing like one of those decoys from Catch A Predator.

[Mazer]

Yeah when he was in ECW and Sabu couldn't break the real beer bottle over his head after 10-15 attempts. That was awesome said nobody lol.

There's a difference between being legit and being a dumbfuck. This isn't 1994 at the Bingo Hall. You think Hollywood is like "Damn I wish it was 1912 when we had to use real glass in silent film"

Jon Moxley crosses back and forth over this line more than anyone.

[Donald]

If that dude wants to be legit he needs to hit the gym and stop dressing like one of those decoys from Catch A Predator.

Yeah, I saw CM Punk put him in a chokehold, like that's any special feat. I could take out Jack Perry and I sit behind a computer all day.

[Badger]

Jon Moxley crosses back and forth over this line more than anyone.

Mox bleeds from the head just by putting a party hat on.

[Badger]

Flair, Dustin and Mox in a “First Blood” triple threat match…only first to bleed wins.

[Nash Diesel]

Shout to Mox's wife who has to probably be on top when they bang. No one wants the Brood bloodbath when making whoopy.

[Donald]

Shout to Mox's wife who has to probably be on top when they bang. No one wants the Brood bloodbath when making whoopy.

If it's that time of month it doesn't matter if she's on top or bottom.

[mth]

Flair, Dustin and Mox in a “First Blood” triple threat match…only first to bleed wins.

Should b a Last Blood Match, really..
See who can actually avoid doing it..

[Badger]

Should b a Last Blood Match, really..
See who can actually avoid doing it..

Touché

I was going for a triple threat no contest bloody mess lol.

[mth]

Pretty sure the result would still be the same.

[Badger]

Pretty sure the result would still be the same.

I got it. Three stages of blood!

Stage 1: First blood. First to draw blood off someone else wins.
Stage 2: First to bleed wins.
Stage 3: Last to bleed wins.

A minute in between rounds for medical personnel to clean them up.

If it’s a three-way tie, then whoever won their stage the quickest.

[Nash Diesel]

Shout out to the fans who are dropping $100 over the last week on AEW ppvs. When you think about how much it costs for a UFC ppv, usually around $70-80 this isn't a bad deal.

Tonight we should find out if Punk is going to be there. I think he will be and THEN "suspended" Which honestly just shows how different wrestling has become. We're now suspending people for backstage scuffles instead of just calling it a day. Did anyone want to see them work together? There's 900 people on the roster they don't need to.

It's sad for me as an AEW fan to think that the product is apparently so bad that the internet gossip is more interesting. That's on us as fans. WE should be talking about the ppvs but instead WE are crying about an altercation where the story has changed about 17 times now in the matter of 5 days lol. Holy shit. I thought my mom was weird for buying those gossip mags but here we are, a bunch of middle aged women from 1995 crying about Courtney Cox and Lisa Kudrow's backstage drama (had to google those names lol)

[Mazer]

All-out having all the second tier titles and feuds just a week after All-in is a bad look.

Really makes it look second tier. Kind of makes it into the hyrdox version of All-in.

[Badger]

All-out having all the second tier titles and feuds just a week after All-in is a bad look.

Really makes it look second tier. Kind of makes it into the hyrdox version of All-in.

Agreed.

They have PPVs months apart and now they have these within a week of each other. I get the theme but the spacing is still weird. It’s like Dr Nick Riviera in a way:

“You’ve tried ze best! Now try the rest! Call 1-900 TonyK! The K is for Karen!”

Sorry maybe a bit too Spudz there.

[mth]

Punk's been replaced by Dennis Rodman tomorrow...

...no, really.

[Mazer]

Close enough.

"Mom, can we buy All-In?"

"We have All-in at home"

At home:

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/815952_1672ed096b85429a9bb3afc87c819e3f~mv2.jpg/v1/fit/w_298,h_373,q_90/815952_1672ed096b85429a9bb3afc87c819e3f~mv2.jpg

[Peter Griffin]

All-out having all the second tier titles and feuds just a week after All-in is a bad look.

Really makes it look second tier. Kind of makes it into the hyrdox version of All-in.

This year I can understand but Tony says he will be keeping the same schedule for next year, so.one or both shows will suffer.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Should b a Last Blood Match, really..
See who can actually avoid doing it..

thats actually a cool idea, a multi-man elimination last blood match. has anyone done it?

[mth]

Just read that Sonny Kiss is no longer on the AEW roster, possible contract expiration. Would be thrilled if she got signed by WWE but not sure if they'd know how to handle her being genderfluid and all. If she goes, I hope Abadon follows.

[mr sabu]

Wow... tony the mad lad fired punk

[Badger]

Tony actually showed some balls!!

Tony!! :beer: :beer:

[Defrost]

Edge and Sasha Banks just made so much money today.

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

ItS a wOrK

[Badger]

Collision might actually be worth watching more than Payback tonight lol

[Peter Griffin]

What if Punk shows up at Payback :rofl:

[Dreyski]

ItS a wOrK

Too close to the situation.

[Badger]

Too close to the situation.

How Cewshty….but still maybe close to the edge…cutioner.

[VHS]

Too close to the situation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jr-I1jjmUw

I'm still glad they're gone.

[Psycho666Soldier]

All Out kicked ass. A lot of great matches regardless of how you felt about the build. Mox/OC, Starks/Bryan, Miro/Hobbs, and Omega/Takeshita delivered big time.

[Nash Diesel]

Did anyone even talk about All Out in this thread? In terms of the build I don't think anyone was really that negative I just think it was more about the 2 shows being so close together. It's like paying for 2 Dynamites I guess.

[MTR]

I think everyone was focused on Punk firing.

[Donald]

What was the reasoning for having All In and All Out a week apart? I remember Survivor Series 1991 and Tuesday in Texas being a couple of days a part, and from what I recall that experiment didn't work out.

[Mazer]

Did anyone even talk about All Out in this thread? In terms of the build I don't think anyone was really that negative I just think it was more about the 2 shows being so close together. It's like paying for 2 Dynamites I guess.

I made condescending jokes about All Out pre-show.


So hopefully that helped.

[Mazer]

I might need a source for it later. I actually do want to see Bryan/Starks

[Donald]

I heard Badger saw the owner of AEW going down an escalator at Wembly. Badger told me it was Khan descending.

[Donald]

I might need a source for it later. I actually do want to see Bryan/Starks

I'm sure Zoey would win.

[Mazer]

I heard Badger saw the owner of AEW going down an escalator at Wembly. Badger told me it was Khan descending.

My tony khan puns missed you in joke thread.

[Psycho666Soldier]

What was the reasoning for having All In and All Out a week apart? I remember Survivor Series 1991 and Tuesday in Texas being a couple of days a part, and from what I recall that experiment didn't work out.

From what he said on the scrum, he likes the idea because All In coincided with a UK holiday and All Out he sees as sort of a Labor Day weekend event, and that he has enough faith in his roster for it to work.

He wants to continue doing it that way, which I think is still ultimately a mistake. But to his credit, it worked this time.


I might need a source for it later. I actually do want to see Bryan/Starks

Miro/Hobbs is worth it for the chants in the least.

[Nash Diesel]

The real answer: He doesn't have to worry about making money to pay his talent and other employees because he is a billionaire. A real one.

Someone said this guy was all about eWr or e-feds like that and I can totally see it. I loved eWr back in 2001-2002. Very fun simulation.

Very similar to TNA. Only the Carters weren't Khan rich so when they realized the 15-20 ppvs they were doing a year (12+those weird gimmick ppvs) were only getting like 10-15,000 buys they basically told Dixie and co. "no more" and Impacts became special edition shows. Tony doesn't have to worry about that so having 2 shows on ppv back to back doesn't seem too out of whack. I'm thinking in hindsight he probably made enough money between the 2 shows that it doesn't really matter.

[lotjx]

If all the things to worry about with AEW, money is not it. Seriously, they have had one of the largest gates in sports history and people think they are going bankrupt, because of Punk or Collision having a small audience the week college football starts or a number of other reasons. AEW is more financially stable than TNA has ever been. I would argue once the WWE takeover happens this week or next, its just another asset in a giant company. Sometimes after a while people get bored with those things and move them or lose them. I don't see that happening with WWE, because they are still a cash cow even though they are losing Fox money all over the place.

[Murphy]

Danielson and Starks and Hobbs and Miro ruled. Takeshita and Kenny was great too.

Haven't seen the last 2 matches yet.

Missed Collision last week also. Is Danielson out of the BCC now and a face? Has that been explained at all yet?

[Badger]

Never would’ve thought a month or two ago I’d be saying Roddy Strong’s character work would be the best part of Dynamite. But it really is, he plays the whiny ex so perfectly.

“ADAAAAMMM!!!!”

The sit down with the nerdy glasses, neck brace dissing his parents attempting to gain sympathy. He’s found the perfect character.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Danielson and Starks and Hobbs and Miro ruled. Takeshita and Kenny was great too.

Haven't seen the last 2 matches yet.

Missed Collision last week also. Is Danielson out of the BCC now and a face? Has that been explained at all yet?

Bryan said they ride the line when needed, and that he was only really seen as a good guy because he was defending Steamboat, someone who he respects and idolizes to the highest degree both IRL and in-character. So it's not a split from the BCC nor is it necessarily a face turn as much as Bryan doing what Bryan would have done regardless of alignment.

[Nash Diesel]

If all the things to worry about with AEW, money is not it. Seriously, they have had one of the largest gates in sports history and people think they are going bankrupt, because of Punk or Collision having a small audience the week college football starts or a number of other reasons. AEW is more financially stable than TNA has ever been. I would argue once the WWE takeover happens this week or next, its just another asset in a giant company. Sometimes after a while people get bored with those things and move them or lose them. I don't see that happening with WWE, because they are still a cash cow even though they are losing Fox money all over the place.

I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say this company would be going bankrupt. I've heard the ratings will tank. They lost 100,000 viewers when TK announced the firing of CM Punk. Literally turned the fuckin show off for one dude.

AEW is more financially stable than TNA which I pointed out. The Carters are rich but not Khan rich. Khans own the Jaguars, who have sucked the majority of the time they've owned the team so that right there tells me it's not about being the best, it's not about anything other than being able to say "I own this" Which is typical of rich folk, I'd be the same way.

[Murphy]

Bryan said they ride the line when needed, and that he was only really seen as a good guy because he was defending Steamboat, someone who he respects and idolizes to the highest degree both IRL and in-character. So it's not a split from the BCC nor is it necessarily a face turn as much as Bryan doing what Bryan would have done regardless of alignment.

:yes:

[Nash Diesel]

I don't like Swerve's crew at all but I like where's coming from telling Page that Page don't seem like he wants that spot. Swerve is lacking something and I don't know what. Maybe it's simply a matter of the 2 main companies I've seen him in he was never really given much to work with and it was usually in the midcard. So I'd like to see him get a top shelf push but IDK if he will truly get it.

[VHS]

I love Prince Nana... Nana stays :heart:

[Nash Diesel]

That dude is the epitome of "I know someone that's how I have a job"

[Badger]

A master bumper though. He even bumped for toilet roll.

[Nash Diesel]

He's no Tamina.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'll always have love for Prince Nana. I feel like The Embassy has consistently been one of the more underhwleming stables in ROH history, with one of its best runs mostly being a vessel to make Ciampa a star(No disrespect to Jimmy Rave). But Nana just has this certain air about him that always amuses me.

Here's hoping Swerve and Mogul Embassy can make something more meaningful with a Hangman feud. I've always liked Swerve, but I agree with Nash that his output wasn't fully hitting, and I think a part of that has been booking. This has potential, and is probably one of the better spots to use Hangman. Put him in personal feuds with other wrestlers who aren't quite title ready but have nothing better to do.

[Nash Diesel]

That's the thing....He's never really had anything special. Even with Ciampa, IMO Ciampa blew up more when he was with Truth Martini. Not taking anything away from his run with Nana but it just felt like when someone is paired up with Robbie E in NXT. It almost feels like he's just there because he's cool with people and maybe they want to break the record for longest running stable. Plus, these mashed up stables have been really, really bad. Inner Circle/Pinnacle, whatever that Matt Hardy/Andrade stable was called, now this. Stables on top of stables on top of stables.

I blame the nWo. You had the big group, and then within that group was the OG Wolfpac-Nash, Hall, Syxx.

[Mazer]

If all the things to worry about with AEW, money is not it. Seriously, they have had one of the largest gates in sports history and people think they are going bankrupt, because of Punk or Collision having a small audience the week college football starts or a number of other reasons. AEW is more financially stable than TNA has ever been. I would argue once the WWE takeover happens this week or next, its just another asset in a giant company. Sometimes after a while people get bored with those things and move them or lose them. I don't see that happening with WWE, because they are still a cash cow even though they are losing Fox money all over the place.

How much money are they losing Fox?

I've seen this on the dirtsheets and not sure that it makes sense.

[Mazer]

I'll always have love for Prince Nana. I feel like The Embassy has consistently been one of the more underhwleming stables in ROH history, with one of its best runs mostly being a vessel to make Ciampa a star(No disrespect to Jimmy Rave). But Nana just has this certain air about him that always amuses me.

Here's hoping Swerve and Mogul Embassy can make something more meaningful with a Hangman feud. I've always liked Swerve, but I agree with Nash that his output wasn't fully hitting, and I think a part of that has been booking. This has potential, and is probably one of the better spots to use Hangman. Put him in personal feuds with other wrestlers who aren't quite title ready but have nothing better to do.

In fairness, you also loved the JOB squad, the BWO, and possibly even the Oddities

[Murphy]

A master bumper though. He even bumped for toilet roll.

Classic. :lol:

[NeseToTheFace]

How much money are they losing Fox?

I've seen this on the dirtsheets and not sure that it makes sense.

It's not a lie, if he believes it.

[MTR]

So Ace Steel fired again it seems. Why? He wasn't even there this time.

[Badger]

So Ace Steel fired again it seems. Why? He wasn't even there this time.

Apparently he was only re-hired as a condition on Punk’s return. Though he had nothing to do with this incident, now that Punk’s gone they’ve got rid of him too so looks like a casualty or something like that.

[MTR]

Just seems shitty to get rid of him just because they got rid of Punk.

[hithit]

You think Kenny and the Bucks are gonna let him slide after what he supposedly did?

[MTR]

They are not over hiring for the company last I checked. I know they are EVP's but they have various responsiblities and Khan is the the one that brought him back.

I mean yes he did bite Omega but come on they were not blameless in that whole situation. He already lost his job over it so he loses it again for the same thing? Shitty.

[Morrison]

Just seems shitty to get rid of him just because they got rid of Punk.

considering they didn't want him back in the first place, i don't find it that big of a deal. punk likely strong-armed them into bringing him back in some capacity, and after getting dismissed with cause, they've got no reason to maintain that.

[MTR]

So again being fired twice for the same thing when he didn't do anything. He is already sitting at home. Just let whatever time on his contract is ride out and don't renew it.

[Morrison]

So again being fired twice for the same thing when he didn't do anything. He is already sitting at home. Just let whatever time on his contract is ride out and don't renew it.

he was fired once for some shit he definitely did do and shouldn't have been brought back. just because they let punk weasel him back into some role in the company doesn't mean they need to do right by punk or steel, especially after punk is terminated for apparently making the owner of the company feel unsafe.

[MTR]

Well you can argue that he shouldn't have been brought back but he was brought back and basically fired twice for the same thing. He was already punished so not cool to punish again.

All the people involved in all of this mess seem to be acting like children and Khan needs control of his company.

[Donald]

MJF vs. Samoa Joe seems a breath of fresh air, though I could do without the Samoa Dough jokes. Or calling him Joseph.

[Morrison]

Well you can argue that he shouldn't have been brought back but he was brought back and basically fired twice for the same thing. He was already punished so not cool to punish again.

All the people involved in all of this mess seem to be acting like children and Khan needs control of his company.

he was fired for biting omega and then let go because the person he was brought back for was no longer employed. conditional employment. whether that was part of the agreement we likely will never know, but i've really got no space in me to give a shit if ace steel hasn't been treated nicely.

[Badger]

MJF vs. Samoa Joe seems a breath of fresh air, though I could do without the Samoa Dough jokes. Or calling him Joseph.

Joseph has a thick skin and is likely fine with it. Only Samoa knows.

[Donald]

PG Punk was the worst though.

[Nash Diesel]

The Elite are the dorks who grew up to be cops.

[Badger]

The Elite are the dorks who grew up to be cops.

They’re all dorks. EVPs, Jungle Boy, Punk and Khan who can’t control it. Punk may have been provoked in some ways here but he and Steel appear to have escalated and Khan is way out of his depth and has lost control or did he have control letting the inmates run the Asylum. They’re all grown men acting like high school dorks.

[Badger]

Mazer you know who needs to sort these dorks out and take everything away from them so they can redeem? Mike India Romeo Oscar… what does it spell *cheerleader pom poms* MIRO!

[Mazer]

Miro once negotiated peace between the Philistines and Israelites.

[NeseToTheFace]

...

[Badger]

Ace has apparently reacted to the firing on Instagram: “Ain’t that the fuckin truth Lol!” caption to another post that said “Mishandling people, then avoiding communication, is not protecting your peace; it’s avoiding accountability.”

:lol:

Biting back apparently.

[Badger]

Cardblade definitely has a career on commentary. Kevin Patrick take notes.

He needs to debut in the ring soon too and get the pin. Add some dimension to his character.

[Nash Diesel]

We live in a world now where even the weakest of the weak think they can just say whatever they want. With zero consequence. Look at how some kids be treating their parents, teachers, etc. Look at how grown adults act on live tv and then when confronted "oh CM Punk has thin skin he should've just walked away" So basically what that is telling your kids, your friends, is that it's ok to be a piece of shit as long as you don't go hands on.

[Nash Diesel]

Miro once negotiated peace between the Philistines and Israelites.

Here's my question...Is this dude even Christian? lol. And I can't tell if this shit is supposed to be serious. It just comes across so corny it's absolutely the worst gimmick in AEW. Next to Hangman Page which is apparently "I used to go to the mall and spend my mom's entire paycheck at RCC"

[Donald]

Miro is a goof.

[MTR]

I hate this gimmick for Miro. Just be a bad ass already. Like I don't get why he has stuck with this for so long at this point.

[Nash Diesel]

I feel like everything he's done in AEW has been half foot in comedy, half foot in seriousness and it doesn't work at all for him. You have him and Hobbs with the crowd chanting Meat just making a joke out of the whole thing. The comedy in AEW is so poorly done it's not even worth excusing. We're probably on the verge of seeing a rehash of Rusev/Lana/Lashley because 90% of AEW storylines are continuations and/or callbacks to other promotions storylines. This multiverse shit is getting way out of hand.

I just want to see Miro go back to a time where it wasn't about cheap pops. Pre-Rusev Day. I'm sure he's a funny dude but it's like with Mick Foley. You kind of have to get to a certain level to be both killer AND comedian. Miro isn't there yet and probably never will be. He's definitely a guy who I feel like shouldn't have been released by the WWE as that was a better fit for him. He's just kind of in the same spot he was, nothing more nothing less.

[VHS]

I hate this gimmick for Miro. Just be a bad ass already. Like I don't get why he has stuck with this for so long at this point.

Miro's current schtick has been great. His whole fuck God, everybody and everything attitude has made him even more menacing. Plus he just beat P-P-P-Powerhouse... that alone is bad ass. He's on an upward trajectory, happy to see it. :yes:

[MTR]

Yeah no this schtick has not been great. He has just kind of been out there in no where land since losing the TNT title.

[Nash Diesel]

Miro's current schtick has been great. His whole fuck God, everybody and everything attitude has made him even more menacing. Plus he just beat P-P-P-Powerhouse... that alone is bad ass. He's on an upward trajectory, happy to see it. :yes:

Well yeah because they're both at the bottom so the only place to go is up. The resume Miro has...beating Hobbs, a transitional TNT champion, was nothing special. Which is sad because Ice Train Jr might've had some potential but it's gone now.

PPPPlease don't do that again.

[VHS]

Yeah no this schtick has not been great. He has just kind of been out there in no where land since losing the TNT title.

Eh. I like it. :dunno:


Well yeah because they're both at the bottom so the only place to go is up. The resume Miro has...beating Hobbs, a transitional TNT champion, was nothing special. Which is sad because Ice Train Jr might've had some potential but it's gone now.

PPPPlease don't do that again.

P-P-P-P-Powerhouse Powerhouse Powerhouse and Miro both looked strong coming out of All Out, and I hope they keep the feud going. Where CJ falls into it though... that's a tossup.

[Nash Diesel]

But neither have looked strong in a long time prior to that imo. That's the problem. Hobbs lost all his momentum. Very similar to Wardlow. Right now we should be seeing Wardlow, Miro, and Hobbs in much higher positions. Miro wasn't even hurt and I'll be honest, Wardlow needs to be one of those guys Tony just lets his contract run out and he can go to WWE. He's not getting any younger and now that Strowman isn't there doing the ECW Sid gimmick, Wardlow can pick up where he left off. How does a guy go from squashing the World champion to being a forgotten cast member?

Miro v. Hobbs v. Wardlow for all you weirdos chanting Meat. I thought you were all fans of the Mortal Kombat character, or maybe you wanted Dr Shawn Stasiak to come out of retirement?

[VHS]

But neither have looked strong in a long time prior to that imo.

Correct.


That's the problem.

Not anymore.


Hobbs lost all his momentum. Very similar to Wardlow.

He's been gaining it back since Collision started mid-June.


Right now we should be seeing Wardlow, Miro, and Hobbs in much higher positions. Miro wasn't even hurt and I'll be honest, Wardlow needs to be one of those guys Tony just lets his contract run out and he can go to WWE. He's not getting any younger and now that Strowman isn't there doing the ECW Sid gimmick, Wardlow can pick up where he left off. How does a guy go from squashing the World champion to being a forgotten cast member?

Agreed.


Miro v. Hobbs v. Wardlow for all you weirdos chanting Meat. I thought you were all fans of the Mortal Kombat character, or maybe you wanted Dr Shawn Stasiak to come out of retirement?

Don't be afraid of the Meat, darling.

[Nash Diesel]

IDK. I just looked up his win/loss record over the last several months and he's beat absolutely nobody of worth. Most of the people I've never even heard of. His biggest wins were against Old Man Dustin and Shawn "How did I convince Peyton Royce to marry me AND birth children with me??" Spears. This has always been a problem with AEW. They have no clue how to book guys that are bigger than the Jericho's and Omega's. I'm shocked Moxley is where he is but he's also one of the best they have so it's pointless to argue his size. Even his push over the last year or so has been very questionable with this jobber stable he's in.

[Badger]

The collateral damage to Hobbs is nowhere near what was done to Wardlow. Yes Hobbs lost to Miro and tbh probably should’ve been nowhere near QTV but what’s happened to Wardlow is far worse. Potentially one of the biggest feuds in the company’s history with great backstory and Wardlow still looks like complete shit despite the symphony on MJF.

Then they hot-potatoed the TNT title with him when he should be at the top right now. Hobbs booking hasn’t been stellar but after a banger at All Out and got some heat back post-match. Definitely recoverable whereas Wardlow right now left in the dust.

Miro’s character isn’t really that bad. He wants his own success and rejecting even his own wife and letting go of all things holding him down even a nod to his WWE life. I’m fine with the character. It’ll be interesting how much she tries to get in his good books.

[VHS]

Yeah, Hobbs was needlessly tossed around like unwanted groceries... Wardlow though? He hasn't been on TV since Collision debuted. Hobbs, they're building him into something... Wardlow for now has been dropped completely, and as for why is beyond me.

Miro's current stance is fuck everything prior, I'm running through it all myself. Sprinkling on some of the religious stuff is totally fine. :yes:

[Mazer]

Here's my question...Is this dude even Christian? lol. And I can't tell if this shit is supposed to be serious. It just comes across so corny it's absolutely the worst gimmick in AEW. Next to Hangman Page which is apparently "I used to go to the mall and spend my mom's entire paycheck at RCC"

He's reformed 7th day orthodox calvinist church of England

[Mazer]

AEW has tried to build itself as a place where wins and losses matter. And I think they did in Early AEW.


Now they mean nothing more than any other organization. I would be in favor of a legit AEW show split. But they face the same problem as every other organization. It's way too easy to just have it be one more show that features the same top people, who make you the most money.


I've said this before, but Tony Khan has to diversify. He can't manage all these storylines, the business itself, and continue to evolve the product. The last year has been very stagnant. Right now, he's Vince with less yelling and fucking subordinates. TAEW needs a real writers room and an actual Head of Creative. Maybe BD can help there. I'm always a litlle leery because the best wrestlers are not always the best bookers. But I think he has the respect where TK wouldn't just step in.

[Badger]

If Danielson is winding down, I wouldn’t say no to him having a shot at creative.

PS if Miro and Hager formed a team, their catchphrase would be “We the Steeple”

[Nash Diesel]

I see Danielson taking his money and calling it a day. He loves wrestling, but if he's really about what he says he's about then he's made more than enough money. His wife makes a shit ton of money or at least has to have some money still right? Fuck creative, fuck part time status, problem is I don't see him walking away. I feel like 10 years from now we will be like "Remember when dude had to retire twice back in the day??"

Miro's Christianity gimmick is corny let's just stop pretending lol. His accent makes it even more comical it's like a shitty Adam Sandler bit from the mid 90's. "The night time is the right time"

[mth]

Saw a couple minutes of Dynamite on one of the TVs at the pizza place we went to tonight. Of course it was Jon Moxley bleeding.

[Murphy]

Saw a couple minutes of Dynamite on one of the TVs at the pizza place we went to tonight. Of course it was Jon Moxley bleeding.

Yeah, it's not a good look, is it? Back in the day, Michaels and HHH would bleed every PPV, that was bad enough.

Did I see that right on Collision on Saturday that they spoiled their own main event, by having a graphic up that Samoa Joe was already in the final of the title tournament, before facing off with Penta in the semi final?

[Donald]

Bleeding = Bad Ass. Jon Moxley is one bad ass.

[Murphy]

Why does Moxley feel the need, first off, but also why does TK stand for it? Guessing because he's a weak little mark.

Stating the obvious, but loses all impact by bleeding all the time.

[Donald]

It wouldn't be so bad if the camera didn't catch him blading almost every time.

[BGMaverick]

Fightful is reporting that Jade Cargill is finishing up with AEW and will be heading to WWE.

[Nash Diesel]

Jade going to WWE is smart. I'm also hearing it's possibly NWA's Kamille Brickhouse might be going to WWE as well. These are 2 women who never really lost and their skills haven't really evolved due to the environment. Not really a knock on AEW or NWA as I'm sure they have great places for wrestlers to train. I just think with someone like Jade she's never going to get in the real women's title mix so why stick around? Go to WWE, reach that next level!

[MTR]

I would like to see Kamille in the WWE now that she dropped the title in NWA. She pretty much went through everyone there plus some like Taya and Purizzo(spelling?). She will need some work but she has talent.

[Murphy]

Jim Ross during the main event of Collision saying it had been a long time since Joe had been pinned. It was literally less than 2 weeks before at 'the biggest wrestling event ever'.

[Nash Diesel]

A lot of these wrestlers have shitty habits that need to be broken when working for a company like WWE. It's not go out and do whatever for 30-40 minutes in front of 10 people time.

[mth]

I'd love to see Jade in WWE. :yes:

[Mazer]

I see Danielson taking his money and calling it a day. He loves wrestling, but if he's really about what he says he's about then he's made more than enough money. His wife makes a shit ton of money or at least has to have some money still right? Fuck creative, fuck part time status, problem is I don't see him walking away. I feel like 10 years from now we will be like "Remember when dude had to retire twice back in the day??"

Miro's Christianity gimmick is corny let's just stop pretending lol. His accent makes it even more comical it's like a shitty Adam Sandler bit from the mid 90's. "The night time is the right time"

Hey. Hold on.

You best not be disparaging the 'What the Hell Happened to Me" album. the talking goat has stayed with me for years.

[Mazer]

I honestly think Jade has all the talent and charisma to go next level. I feel like she did get better, and the AEW fandom still never really embraced her. Get her in NXT. Hot shot her into some big feuds. Have her fight Tiff eventually. If she develops further, you're money.

[Donald]

Have you ever thought about growing corn and being a maizer

[mth]

I honestly think Jade has all the talent and charisma to go next level. I feel like she did get better, and the AEW fandom still never really embraced her. Get her in NXT. Hot shot her into some big feuds. Have her fight Tiff eventually. If she develops further, you're money.

Big fat yes to all of this.

[Mazer]

Have you ever thought about growing corn and being a maizer

I've thought about being cheap and becoming a miser.

[Mazer]

And speaking of not capitalizing on things. Kris Statlander should have had a sustained push if you were going to have her be the person to knock off Jade.

[Nash Diesel]

Hey. Hold on.

You best not be disparaging the 'What the Hell Happened to Me" album. the talking goat has stayed with me for years.

That album united more black and white kids in my neighborhood than any other. I'm saying Miro's is a SHITTY version of that.




And speaking of not capitalizing on things. Kris Statlander should have had a sustained push if you were going to have her be the person to knock off Jade.


2-3 serious injuries in a row fucked her progression. Unintentionally booked as the Penny of the Best Friends crew and maybe all of AEW. Only we haven't really seen any personality. JR practically buried her the first 5-6 months she was around completely unaware of the gimmick. Her finisher could use some work. She's definitely someone who I think was in the plans to dethrone Jade for awhile even when she was hurt.

[VHS]

Jade going to WWE… it must happen. She’ll get the training she needs and she’ll be god level untouchable. GO GO GOOOO

[Donald]

Why doesn't AEW have a performance center to train their talent?

[Nash Diesel]

Why doesn't AEW have a performance center to train their talent?

Because realistically the only 2 companies in the entire world that are about growing talent that way are WWE and New Japan. I could be wrong. New Japan doesn't really have developmental though like NXT or OVW per se. So WWE is really ahead of the game and have been for 25+ years.

AEW is like many promotions out there. There's either a wrestling school affiliated with the promotion or they have a main training school they use which in AEW's case is the Nightmare Factory that Dustin Rhodes operates. Problem is, who the fuck has came out of there? Brock Anderson? Wow.

[Murphy]

Jade to WWE is a big yes from me.

[Badger]

Jon Moxley’s revealed he’s been diagnosed with arthritis. :(

Guy pushes himself too hard. He really needs to go very soon.

[Donald]

To be fair he said it's rough in the morning for him but by the time it's bell time in the evenings he's good to go. I can relate, minus the bell time stuff because I don't do that

[Badger]

To be fair he said it's rough in the morning for him but by the time it's bell time in the evenings he's good to go. I can relate, minus the bell time stuff because I don't do that

I know we make our bleeding jokes/memes at times but honestly beneath that, I’ve always had an underlying concern the guy is running himself ragged with his schedule. A workhorse no doubt but maybe too passionate for his own good. I can get why he left WWE if he felt restricted but at the same time, restricted may be good for him.

If he has this going on, it may be time (and maybe has) to seriously call it a day soon. It would be a huge loss but personally would rather see him retire healthy and be proud of his accomplishments.

[Donald]

He could also be making it up to make himself sound tougher. Hey I have arthritis but I still go out every night go me. We will need to see a doctor's note.

[Badger]

He could also be making it up to make himself sound tougher. Hey I have arthritis but I still go out every night go me. We will need to see a doctor's note.

Although you’re not in the working working almost 24/7/365 bleeding nearly every time. The news says he has the arthritis of a 70 year old man.

Unless you have joined a wrestling school and have developed a gimmick called the PUNisher…then I withdraw.

I honestly thought he has the capability of working good matches without having to go full tilt blood, sweat and tears every time while telling a good story. But think it’s just his mindset.

[Mazer]

That album united more black and white kids in my neighborhood than any other. I'm saying Miro's is a SHITTY version of that.






2-3 serious injuries in a row fucked her progression. Unintentionally booked as the Penny of the Best Friends crew and maybe all of AEW. Only we haven't really seen any personality. JR practically buried her the first 5-6 months she was around completely unaware of the gimmick. Her finisher could use some work. She's definitely someone who I think was in the plans to dethrone Jade for awhile even when she was hurt.


If Adam Sandler and Dwayne Johnson ever joined forces, they could bring harmony to this country.

Unfortunately, the Powers that Be will never let that happen.




On Statlander, even before injuries, it seems like she'll have a moment and then there's no immediate direction afterwards.

[Badger]

If Adam Sandler and Dwayne Johnson ever joined forces, they could bring harmony to this country.

Unfortunately, the Powers that Be will never let that happen.




On Statlander, even before injuries, it seems like she'll have a moment and then there's no immediate direction afterwards.

If there’s a Rocky Madison crossover where he’s giving Rock Bottoms to imaginary penguins then I’d be all for it.

[Badger]

Although that may not even come close to a rational response. Everyone is probably dumber for having read that response. I award myself no points and may Miro have mercy on my soul.

[Nash Diesel]

Jade Cargill going to WWE seemed to be inevitable. She tried out once before it didn't work out for whatever reason. Got a little bit of exposure in the wrestling world working for AEW. I always felt like they needed to shit or get off the pot with her. No real feuds of worth, no big matches. IDK why we never saw anything of substance with her in the women's title division. Maybe it was just timing.

Either way idk if it's truly a loss for AEW because again, what was she really doing other than winning? Even when she did have a storyline like the one with Nyla Rose it wasn't really featured, kind of took a 4th-5th spot behind the other women feuding which was odd considering Jade's this dominant champion...why wouldn't she be in the mix with the likes of Britt Baker? Or at least given that much time on tv.

[VHS]

Questioning whether Jade leaving is a loss or not for AEW is flabbergasting. Of course it's a loss for them.

[NeseToTheFace]

I could watch AEW programming this week and it wouldn't stand out to me that she isn't there, but that's just me

[Morrison]

Questioning whether Jade leaving is a loss or not for AEW is flabbergasting. Of course it's a loss for them.

it's really not. it could be, based off her potential, but she never really came together in AEW as a full package.

[Nash Diesel]

Questioning whether Jade leaving is a loss or not for AEW is flabbergasting. Of course it's a loss for them.

I'm curious why you think so. Personally I don't think it's that big of a loss. And I went into detail as to why.

[VHS]

it's really not. it could be, based off her potential, but she never really came together in AEW as a full package.

Based off her potential, as you said, it is a loss. Considering now that her potential will be harnessed in WWE, it will be AEW's loss.


I'm curious why you think so. Personally I don't think it's that big of a loss. And I went into detail as to why.

See above.

[Nash Diesel]

Based off her potential, as you said, it is a loss. Considering now that her potential will be harnessed in WWE, it will be AEW's loss.



See above.

I can see that if AEW had the ability to unlock that potential but since they never figured out what to really do with her for 3 years I don't think they cared. If they did, they would've tried harder I think. That's not really a knock on them. TK flat out said he likes to take people who have a following and put them on a bigger stage if possible. How many original concepts have we seen in AEW? What wrestler can you go "AEW created everything about them"? Next part isn't related to anything you're saying just wanted to be clear.

I think this is more about the brand. WWE transcended pro wrestling 35 years ago no one will ever be the next WWE or even a real competitor. Nobody in the real world cares if Edge shows up tonight or if Jade leaves AEW for WWE. Most people didn't even know Cody Rhodes had been wrestling this whole time.

[Badger]

I think with Jade is her having her be too dominant in that division in the midcard TBS women’s division though stats seem impressive, still seemed way too big for her. Also in general, the size and experience in that division, they didn’t know what to do with her. She’s made improvements but at the same time on a spectacle level, there’s been very few who look like they can match up with her.

I think Nyla was their best shot and that was interesting for a while. Kris…still took advantage to win the title off her but still meh. Moving to WWE with far more experienced hands, strong freaks like Rhea, Bianca (dare I say Nia) and Charlotte can only benefit her more than being in AEW can.

[VHS]

I can see that if AEW had the ability to unlock that potential but since they never figured out what to really do with her for 3 years I don't think they cared. If they did, they would've tried harder I think. That's not really a knock on them. TK flat out said he likes to take people who have a following and put them on a bigger stage if possible. How many original concepts have we seen in AEW? What wrestler can you go "AEW created everything about them"? Next part isn't related to anything you're saying just wanted to be clear.

I think this is more about the brand. WWE transcended pro wrestling 35 years ago no one will ever be the next WWE or even a real competitor. Nobody in the real world cares if Edge shows up tonight or if Jade leaves AEW for WWE. Most people didn't even know Cody Rhodes had been wrestling this whole time.

Yeah, it's pretty much AEW having this precious stone in their possession, but they either didn't know how to crack the outer shell or... they didn't know what they had. AEW's had a reputation for acquiring larger than life figures and just squandering them in record time. Say what you will about Punk, but AEW showed they are unable and incapable of holding onto someone like him. Now Jade's gone and their precious stone will be in someone else's hands, more capable hands? Time will tell. If Jade has it in her to learn and sharpen herself into the super star she can be, then AEW's loss will indeed be WWE's immense gain.

It's going to take time, but this is pro wrestling. It's all about time.

[Badger]

The range of the WWE women’s division blows AEW’s apart really so can see her maybe feeling stagnant. She’ll get better competition and grow but if Jade can’t learn from WWE’s women then it really will be down to her failing but yeah she has upside.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah, it's pretty much AEW having this precious stone in their possession, but they either didn't know how to crack the outer shell or... they didn't know what they had. AEW's had a reputation for acquiring larger than life figures and just squandering them in record time. Say what you will about Punk, but AEW showed they are unable and incapable of holding onto someone like him. Now Jade's gone and their precious stone will be in someone else's hands, more capable hands? Time will tell. If Jade has it in her to learn and sharpen herself into the super star she can be, then AEW's loss will indeed be WWE's immense gain.

It's going to take time, but this is pro wrestling. It's all about time.

I agree. You have to think about how people come to AEW and then they just feel like another body.


The range of the WWE women’s division blows AEW’s apart really so can see her maybe feeling stagnant. She’ll get better competition and grow but if Jade can’t learn from WWE’s women then it really will be down to her failing but yeah she has upside.

I agree. If you can't elevate your game with the talent in WWE men and women, you only have yourself to blame. With AEW like I said, I feel if they were really wanting her to reach that next level they would've taken her out of the TBS title picture or had her work with bigger names in the company like Britt, Saraya, etc. Not just hanging out in the midcard.

[Morrison]

Based off her potential, as you said, it is a loss. Considering now that her potential will be harnessed in WWE, it will be AEW's loss.



See above.

there is no guarantee she meets that potential, though. she had daniel bryan training her and had the whole non-wwe wrestling world available to her for additional training and learning and improving. there are reports that wwe are coming up with main roster shit for her, so she could be bypassing nxt. i don't know that she gains that much ground in wwe outside of getting their massive marketing and hype teams involved, which aew couldn't compete with.

[Defrost]

Winning with the Kawada style Powerbomb was awesome

[Psycho666Soldier]

Winning with the Kawada style Powerbomb was awesome

Yeah I appreciated that. Kinda surprised Excalibur didn't catch it.

Eddie long deserved it.

[Donald]

Sucks mox looks to have a concussion. That driver looked brutal. Hopefully aew bans those types of moves in the future.

[Donald]

Also I get why the ref didn't count to three cause that wasn't the plan but it looked weird to see.

[Morrison]

Sucks mox looks to have a concussion. That driver looked brutal. Hopefully aew bans those types of moves in the future.

shut up.

[Badger]

Apparently from what’s been reported, he was actually concussed during the pre-match brawl and wrestled the whole match concussed.

It seems he’s going to be okay though.

[Nash Diesel]

shut up.

This company is a fuckin clown show.

[Nash Diesel]

Apparently from what’s been reported, he was actually concussed during the pre-match brawl and wrestled the whole match concussed.

It seems he’s going to be okay though.

Yeah because all these years of listening to wrestlers and athletes in general talking about the effects of concussions=he's going to be okay though. The fuck he is lol.

I swear when it comes to AEW everything we've learned that is bad for the sport just goes out the window.

[Donald]

Moxley sounds like he's hard headed so I wouldn't be surprised to see him wrestling again in a couple of weeks.

[NeseToTheFace]

shut up.

lol

[Nash Diesel]

When Morrison was young he developed an imaginary friend who would come in at night and pee in his mouth. Now he bounces between the 2 personalities in an effort to keep the old days of Rajah alive. I'm actually shocked he didn't tuck his penis like Simon and others and just hide out in the R-Fed threads.

[Badger]

Yeah because all these years of listening to wrestlers and athletes in general talking about the effects of concussions=he's going to be okay though. The fuck he is lol.

I swear when it comes to AEW everything we've learned that is bad for the sport just goes out the window.

Well obviously not okay okay but from what’s been reported, it’s a minor concussion but he made it out on his own power.

Just quoting the report. :dunno:

[Badger]

Anyways rest of the show. Great opener with Eddie/Claudio. Probably favourite of the night.

Jericho/Sammy had a couple of mistakes like that kick in the corner that fell short but otherwise solid. LOVED the Jericho/HBK Mania callback!

HLA in Toni/Saraya lol.

Pissed myself at Roddy Strong again and even moreso at the MJF/Bret parody “I’m adopted!!” Solid match with classic scumbag shenanigans.

[Tyrone]

When Morrison was young he developed an imaginary friend who would come in at night and pee in his mouth. Now he bounces between the 2 personalities in an effort to keep the old days of Rajah alive. I'm actually shocked he didn't tuck his penis like Simon and others and just hide out in the R-Fed threads.

I bet there's a few dudes here who drink their own piss

[Nash Diesel]

I counted 7 nods to something WWE did last night it was mind blowing. Especially after reading Tony Khan say he works 80 hours a week. I assume that's watching 80 hours of WWE on Peacock looking for the next big idea!

[Donald]

They should start parodying the IcoPro commercials next.

[NeseToTheFace]

I bet there's a few dudes here who drink their own piss

Don't knock it until you try it man. Not saying I did but hey if he enjoys that kinda thing good for him .... I guess. Like that dude who parks his car to have staredowns with people in other cars. Internet tough guys.

[Nash Diesel]

I do hope Mox isn't seriously hurt. I just read the other day that El Hijo Del Viking cat had a botch that put him in a wheelchair the other night. HOpefully he's doing ok.

[Donald]

Yeah you don't wish anyone to get injured at all, regardless of how you feel about them. I think some talent need to tone down their work. You should want to be able to walk 10, 20 years down the road.

[VHS]

The Mox stuff was a little scary, but I'm glad to hear he made it out on his own power. Was it the dive off the stage from Fenix that wuzzled him? After the first piledriver, I think the ref thought Mox would just kick out because that wasn't the finish, but after the second they probably had already called an audible. That second one looked bad too though. Fuck. Regardless of the severity, concussions are always serious.

Hope it's a wakeup call for all parties.


They should start parodying the IcoPro commercials next.

this

[Nash Diesel]

When people in AEW seemed to get knocked the fuck out and concussed on a weekly basis I don't think it's going to be a wake up call for anyone. This is the company that still gleefully employs Jeff Hardy.

[Mazer]

Regarding Jade Cargill- It's a loss to me.

Jade was one of their most featured females prior to her release. She was a home-grown talent. The backstage comments were that she was eager to learn. I think I'm higher on Jade's most recent mic work than some here, but I think she's got charisma. She was highly promoted and every time I saw, ripped the company well. Possibly the best look of anyone in the company.

I can see the argument that you might not miss her if she missed a show . But honestly, how many people on AEW isn't that true of?

5?

[Nash Diesel]

I just don't think AEW sees their talent like WWE sees certain talent. I think with some of us we're thinking about Jade being more than a wrestler but a crossover star and how much easier that will be working for WWE than AEW. You don't see AEW hiring people with that mentality.

[Mazer]

I just don't think AEW sees their talent like WWE sees certain talent. I think with some of us we're thinking about Jade being more than a wrestler but a crossover star and how much easier that will be working for WWE than AEW. You don't see AEW hiring people with that mentality.

That's entirely possible. Who knows what goes on in the AEW planning room. For all we know, it changes with what Khan has for breakfast. I feel like they did at least make some efforts on that front with Cody. Another person who had charisma and a good look.....who AEW stans didn't appreciate sufficiently.

I completely get behind the argument that currently that AEW or WWE will rarely be impacted by the loss of one talent in any significant way. So, from that perspective, I get the "not a loss". And agree, Hell, Cody Rhodes is one of the biggest stars in the world right now, a huge success, and it could be argued that him leaving didn't really "hurt" AEW that much.


From another perspective f -over the last year and a half or so- I think she improved the segments she was on, was a strong presence, and one of their biggest female stars. I don't think the women's division is going that well, and I think she made it better, and actually had the potential to improve it more.

[Nash Diesel]

That's the thing. AEW, like everyone else, doesn't really look at their product and their talent like the WWE. That's a Vince McMahon thing and he's really the only one to truly master it. WCW couldn't even do it. Promoters just take what is getting over elsewhere and position it accordingly. VKM took that approach to the next level, learning from his father's mistake with the whole Hogan/Thunder Lips debacle. But Vince also has a knack for dictating who can do what so there are limits even in WWE. The women's division in AEW is so poorly booked it's not really a win or lose situation. You're just kind of there until Statlander gets hurt or Britt has to spell.

[Eddie Brock]

I'm torn. On one hand I can't blame Jade for going to WWE and grabbing that bag, and there are plenty of matchups there that would be great to see.

But I also feel like there's more she could do in AEW before making the inevitable jump to WWE. Namely, a longer program with Statlander, maybe a babyface run, and then a run with the Women's belt. She could be the dragon at the top of the division hoarding the gold and waiting for the next woman the company wants to elevate up the card.

I'd much rather see Jade with some more experience and seasoning show up in WWE, and another year in AEW would be the way to do it. But, as someone who likes Jade, I'm happy with either option. I think with training at the PC she'll do well.

[Mazer]

Just watching Dynamite.

Kingston may have the worst chops in the business

[Badger]

Just watching Dynamite.

Kingston may have the worst chops in the business

I love the match don’t get me wrong but yeah be barely tickled Claudio about fifty times. It was like a bad gif.

If you’re going to do a good chop, at least rear back and gie it some welly! Chops are overused as a plot device I feel but at least rear back and earn that WOOOOOO!!!!!

[Nash Diesel]

I'm torn. On one hand I can't blame Jade for going to WWE and grabbing that bag, and there are plenty of matchups there that would be great to see.

But I also feel like there's more she could do in AEW before making the inevitable jump to WWE. Namely, a longer program with Statlander, maybe a babyface run, and then a run with the Women's belt. She could be the dragon at the top of the division hoarding the gold and waiting for the next woman the company wants to elevate up the card.

I'd much rather see Jade with some more experience and seasoning show up in WWE, and another year in AEW would be the way to do it. But, as someone who likes Jade, I'm happy with either option. I think with training at the PC she'll do well.

I agree but they should've done all of this a year ago. She should've already been women's champion by now. She should've had programs with Toni Storm, Saraya, Britt Baker, but AEW for whatever reason didn't want to go that route. The other issue is that she wasn't getting any better. Honestly, even if she did get to work with some of the higher placed talent the matches would've been bad because the best worker AEW has in that division is a girl who can barely keep her neck in tact. The rest are pretty bad. She had to go to WWE. Hell even TNA would've been a step up in competition because of the caliber of women who work there compared to AEW.

[Donald]

AEW seems to be about dream matches rather than caring about any storylines. Just put two guys together and have a match. There's no investment.

[MTR]

They do that a lot but that is also playing into the audience they have that want that stuff. Just give us the match.

[Nash Diesel]

I would say 99% of the non-WWE wrestling companies focus on just trying to win over Dave Meltzer and the story takes a backseat. That's why most of AEW's storylines are based on what talent did in other companies. Imagine if every time you saw a movie with Christian Bale they would try to incorporate and continue a story from the Nolan Batman trilogy because of how popular they were? That's AEW. TK has said it himself, he takes people who were big elsewhere and puts them on his platform. Very similar to what WCW used to do. Not giving anyone an excuse as it's lazy booking but again it goes back to how WWE does their thing and how everyone else does their thing.

Everyone is out there trying to get clout from the WWE and their fans, their investors, etc. So when CJ Perry and Miro are ANOTHER cuckhold storyline and when Dolph Ziggler shows up to give that Deadpool/Zack Morris 4th wall nod to the WWE their fans will be like oh shit they just gave a nod to that WWE storyline!! They must be so fucking cool.....

But this approach is what makes it easy to follow everyone outside the WWE. You really don't need to be invested in a single AEW storyline because their stories are very basic. If it's not a nod to the trinity-WWE/ECW/WCW then it's simply "I want to be better than you" And that's totally fine. That's what drew me into Japanese wrestling as a kid in the 90's when I had no clue what the fuck was going on-and you didn't have to it was just about rivalries and being the best. You never saw any bullshit with Kenta Kobashia wanting to fuck Takada's wife lol.

[Murphy]

That's what drew me into Japanese wrestling as a kid in the 90's when I had no clue what the fuck was going on-and you didn't have to it was just about rivalries and being the best. You never saw any bullshit with Kenta Kobashia wanting to fuck Takada's wife lol.

Same as that, my man. Used to love getting my Japanese tapes from a tape trader in 1997/98ish.

Shinya Hashimoto, Koji Kanemoto, Jushin Liger, Dr Wagner Jnr - Good times. Wish I still had those tapes, actually.

[Donald]

I havea Japanese death match DVD compilation somewhere. Got it for Christmas one year. I think it was one of those "Oh he likes wrestling let's get him this" type gifts. But man I'm a WWE fan, not a wrestling fan.

[Peter Griffin]

I had a bushido video once, Dunno where from.

[Nash Diesel]

Same as that, my man. Used to love getting my Japanese tapes from a tape trader in 1997/98ish.

Shinya Hashimoto, Koji Kanemoto, Jushin Liger, Dr Wagner Jnr - Good times. Wish I still had those tapes, actually.

Shout out to the wrestling mags of our era.


I havea Japanese death match DVD compilation somewhere. Got it for Christmas one year. I think it was one of those "Oh he likes wrestling let's get him this" type gifts. But man I'm a WWE fan, not a wrestling fan.

10+ years ago they used to have these Japanese death match ppvs with like 5-6 random matches that were pretty awesome. I think I have all 10 volumes.

[Donald]

Kinda crazy that Tony let Cargill go. Maybe with Edge being rumored for AEW, it'll be an even trade.

[Nash Diesel]

lol.

I'm probably one of the only people who doesn't care one bit if Edge shows up in AEW.

[Mazer]

imagine if every time you saw a movie with Christian Bale they would try to incorporate and continue a story from the Nolan Batman trilogy because of how popular they were?
.

If someone wants to make American Psycho 2, but build it off of Batman.....I'm in.

[Mazer]

On a more serious note (Lance Storm voice), I am legitimately in for an Edge vs. MJF feud.

[Donald]

If someone wants to make American Psycho 2, but build it off of Batman.....I'm in.

I think you mean American Psycho 3, as there is already an American Psycho 2

American Psycho 2 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psycho_2)

[Peter Griffin]

You'll be telling me there's a Bad Santa and National Lampoons Christmas vacation 2 next.

[Donald]

The only thing I remember about Bad Santa 2 was Kathy Bates was in it.

[Nash Diesel]

I think for me with Edge is I was never a big fan to begin with. So I have no real desire to see him work with anyone even in WWE right now. His career feels like it should've ended at Mania with the win over Balor ending the big feud with JD. I just don't see it as anything other than the same old shit with AEW. I can literally envision every interaction that could happen. MJF praises Edge's career while indirectly shitting on his wife, kids, and mentions his neck. We get a throwback to 30 years ago with Christian and the Hardyz. Maybe a decent tag match with FTR.

It's just like...why bring him in? He's 50+, the epitome of Mr. Glass, it's not going to elevate the product or the ratings. And Edge has nothing to prove idc if his best friend is there. Did he go to TNA? That would've been a more understanding jump than now because now it's obvious why he's going there. He thinks he can squeeze a few million out of a mark.

[Mazer]

I think you mean American Psycho 3, as there is already an American Psycho 2

American Psycho 2 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psycho_2)

I ignore thar

[virms]

Kinda crazy that Tony let Cargill go. Maybe with Edge being rumored for AEW, it'll be an even trade.

Cargill is smart. She knows wwe will build her brand to the next level. AEW is a good wrestling alternative but it's no where near on par woth the entertainment side of things and the machine wwe has behind it. Now with the whole tko merger I think possibilities have skyrocketed even more. We will just have to wait and see on that. They've already created a big buzz on her just by her signing when she's still really green and new. She's getting damn near Ronda hype and she's not really done anything in her career to warrant that.