All Elite Wrestling

[Donald]

Why on earth would God not show up to be HBK's tag partner, but he gives Miro a hot wife?

Or is this AEW God gimmick infringement?

I think I need to get laid.

[Nash Diesel]

Would it shock anyone that a non-Christian would have a character on his show poking fun at the Kirk Cameron types?

[Murphy]

Late to the party, but CM Punk getting the Chris Benoit treatment from AEW did make me chuckle to myself.

The particular example being when Jericho was mentioned on commentary as being one of only 2 men to hold the both the AEW and ROH World Titles. Much like in WWE where they say as many have won the Royal Rumble from entrant number one as have from number thirty. Or at least used to, when that was the case.

Back to AEW, all seems a bit blah to me at the moment. Not a lot going on right now that seems overly interesting, to me at least.

[Nash Diesel]

MJF is about it for me and it's not even the Moxley feud it's just the story of him possibly winning the World title. I'll be honest I haven't really been feeling anything since that weird Punk/Mox match where Mox squashed him. Then everything that happened with Punk and the Bucks/Omega which kind of took the steam out of the trios titles. I'm a huge fan of Moxley but he's kind of just there holding the spot MJF is about to take.

[Donald]

Does Jon Moxley still bounce off the middle rope?

[Nash Diesel]

Does Jon Moxley still bounce off the middle rope?

Sadly no. I realized the other night when he was wrestling Daddy Magic that if Mox isn't in there with someone 4-5x better than him it's not a very good match to watch. Neither guy could find their rhythm and I think Mox has been wrestling way too often on tv.

[Donald]

They really needed to build the company around Moxley, Danielson, and Punk as the top faces. MJF, Wardlow, someone else as the top heels.

Phase out Jericho, he did his part in helping the company get noticed, but seems like a parody of his former self now. Seems like Bucks and Omega are shady characters (from what I've read/heard) so remove them too.

[Nash Diesel]

Jericho's always been one of those guys that I can only take in small doses. I never really cared for him until he got to the WWF and even then it's been pretty up and down. If he wasn't plastered all over AEW I probably would enjoy him more but it's the same delivery and presentation just a different nickname every 4 months. Plus how can a guy who spent 20 years complaining about the older guys getting all the tv time and pushes but here he is doing nothing to elevate anyone.

[Murphy]

Yes, I'm not high on Jericho either these days. I have been in and past, massively, and he still has decent matches, but he's too prominent at the moment. Even more so considering his age.

Still like AEW plenty and still haven't missed a Dynamite, Rampage or PPV to date, but not a lot going on at present. Do enjoy MJF though, obviously.

And Taz. :D

I probably watch too much. Can't remember the last time anything relevant happened on Rampage. Deffo wouldn't bother with if if it was longer than an hour.

[Donald]

I never understood the love for Taz. His voice makes me want to put my head in a microwave and turn it on.

[Murphy]

One of the few commentators who regularly makes me laugh.

[Nash Diesel]

I hate the commentary team. I think Jim Ross is out of place, Schiavone adds nothing, Taz is constantly fucking up and Excalibur is terrible. Does Big Show still do the C-show on youtube?

[Murphy]

JR has no place there and Excalibur, I can see why people wouldn't like him. At least he's knowledgeable though and he can get a lot of info out in about 30 seconds when plugging shows. :D

I like Schiavone, but that's the nostalgia talking.

[Nash Diesel]

JR has no place there and Excalibur, I can see why people wouldn't like him. At least he's knowledgeable though and he can get a lot of info out in about 30 seconds when plugging shows. :D

I like Schiavone, but that's the nostalgia talking.

JR, Tony, and Tazz at the booth is pure nostalgia for me. I did like Tazz when he was with Michael Cole.

Excalibur has knowledge but so much of it is useless. Imagine going to McDonalds, and the guy behind the counter gives you the complete history of the Big Mac sauce after you order it. And then when you start to leave he rattles off the next 15 upcoming deals they're going to have in a matter of 20 seconds lol.

I respect having knowledge, but learn to apply it when it matters. Like the time he talked about wrestling Malakai Black 15 years ago in Germany. Who fuckin cares? Who cares that Daddy Magic has loose history with the Young Bucks from a match in Jersey All Pro? At least when JR would drop the random "Kevin Nash played college ball for Tennessee" it was to enhance their athletic background so people didn't think they were just some fake ass dudes.

But I will say this, the people who AEW cater to definitely enjoy it. While I'm a huge fan of AEW I don't really care about things that happened that don't pertain to the storyline. Like Ethan Page and Darby Allin bringing up their history, it pertained to the story it wasn't just some random "Hey look at us we acknowledge other promotions!"

[Nash Diesel]

Jim Ross is out of place solely because of the matches he's trying to call he doesn't take seriously half the time. Who can blame him? But I'm sure if you put Gordon Solie at the booth in 2000 he'd sound out of place.

[Badger]

JR, Tony, and Tazz at the booth is pure nostalgia for me. I did like Tazz when he was with Michael Cole.

Excalibur has knowledge but so much of it is useless. Imagine going to McDonalds, and the guy behind the counter gives you the complete history of the Big Mac sauce after you order it. And then when you start to leave he rattles off the next 15 upcoming deals they're going to have in a matter of 20 seconds lol.

I respect having knowledge, but learn to apply it when it matters. Like the time he talked about wrestling Malakai Black 15 years ago in Germany. Who fuckin cares? Who cares that Daddy Magic has loose history with the Young Bucks from a match in Jersey All Pro? At least when JR would drop the random "Kevin Nash played college ball for Tennessee" it was to enhance their athletic background so people didn't think they were just some fake ass dudes.

But I will say this, the people who AEW cater to definitely enjoy it. While I'm a huge fan of AEW I don't really care about things that happened that don't pertain to the storyline. Like Ethan Page and Darby Allin bringing up their history, it pertained to the story it wasn't just some random "Hey look at us we acknowledge other promotions!"

I have a theory that Excalibur prattling on and on about might actually be a running joke and he’s been told to act that way. Even when Regal shows up and says “Man In the Mask, how scrumptious and delicious are you looking tonight??” might be a nod to how deliberately boring Excalibur comes across. Excalibur himself is probably aware and laughs along with it.

As far as JR goes, while appreciating his obvious legendary run and appreciating what AEW are doing for him, maybe you might have a point in that it could be due to what’s put in front of him, but back in his heyday he could turn shit into funny gold. I’d love, miss and respect the man and his career but even then, his mistakes seem to be more glaringly obvious now with his lack of passion. Much as it pains me to say this, they need a better actor in the booth and wouldn’t hold it against AEW if JR was replaced down the line.

[Nash Diesel]

I have a theory that Excalibur prattling on and on about might actually be a running joke and he’s been told to act that way. Even when Regal shows up and says “Man In the Mask, how scrumptious and delicious are you looking tonight??” might be a nod to how deliberately boring Excalibur comes across. Excalibur himself is probably aware and laughs along with it.

As far as JR goes, while appreciating his obvious legendary run and appreciating what AEW are doing for him, maybe you might have a point in that it could be due to what’s put in front of him, but back in his heyday he could turn shit into funny gold. I’d love, miss and respect the man and his career but even then, his mistakes seem to be more glaringly obvious now with his lack of passion. Much as it pains me to say this, they need a better actor in the booth and wouldn’t hold it against AEW if JR was replaced down the line.

If you ever watched PWG, you would know this is just how Excalibur is. And he's calling matches that look a lot like a PWG match where it's nothing but spot after spot then some make out session and then another spot.

What I meant by JR is basically what I'm saying about Excalibur. JR's legendary match calling was for guys like Ric Flair, Stone Cold, The Rock, not so much Rey Mysterio and Jushin Liger. JR's a storyteller. He really came into his own in the WWF in the mid-late 90's when he was able to blend sports announcer and storyteller. Similar to Joey Styles. Everyone else, it's one or the other. Excalibur isn't a storyteller he just calls the matches, throws out random tidbits and stats.

The comedy stuff is what it is. I actually crack up watching Botchamania and they'll show one of those Dark matches that Tazz and Excalibur are doing and they're pretty funny too. JR being replaced isn't anything negative, he's damn near 70 years old. I would love to see him call a final match in WWE before he calls it a day.

[Badger]

If you ever watched PWG, you would know this is just how Excalibur is. And he's calling matches that look a lot like a PWG match where it's nothing but spot after spot then some make out session and then another spot.

What I meant by JR is basically what I'm saying about Excalibur. JR's legendary match calling was for guys like Ric Flair, Stone Cold, The Rock, not so much Rey Mysterio and Jushin Liger. JR's a storyteller. He really came into his own in the WWF in the mid-late 90's when he was able to blend sports announcer and storyteller. Similar to Joey Styles. Everyone else, it's one or the other. Excalibur isn't a storyteller he just calls the matches, throws out random tidbits and stats.

The comedy stuff is what it is. I actually crack up watching Botchamania and they'll show one of those Dark matches that Tazz and Excalibur are doing and they're pretty funny too. JR being replaced isn't anything negative, he's damn near 70 years old. I would love to see him call a final match in WWE before he calls it a day.

Truth be told, not familiar with Excalibur’s work pre-AEW so if he’s always been like that then fair enough but he hasn’t been told to stop it by Khan et al so maybe still a bit of self-awareness I dunno.

It’s nice what they’re doing for JR and maybe he’s still enjoying it but then I see some articles where like Jericho he seems to be trying too hard to plug AEW to compensate them in return with anti-WWE bashing. Just a read so feel free to disagree. Since his commentary in the Mae Young Classic before he got here, felt he was a shadow of his former self a bit. Seems like they’re doing him too big a favour. Love the man and his legacy to bits but still feel his time is up and he gets a legendary send-off and HOF induction soon. No doubt he would be very well compensated. If Regal for example decides to hang up the boots on the BCC stuff, he’d be a great full-time vet replacement for JR.

[Badger]

Not watching it at the moment but Jarrett has shown up on Dynamite. He’s like shown up everywhere recently lol.

I don’t know what they see in him. In his hey day, great top midcard heel but wish he’d just retire gracefully.

[Defrost]

This is hilarious. Get fucked Phil.

[Badger]

This is funny af. WCW 2.0 and shitting on Punk here we come! :lol:

[Badger]

Plus Colt. :rofl:

[Badger]

At this rate, Vince Russo’a going to show up before Christmas.

[Morrison]

is fucking shibata really wrestling his second match back on rampage, in atlantic city, against orange cassidy? what timeline are we living in.

[Defrost]

is fucking shibata really wrestling his second match back on rampage, in atlantic city, against orange cassidy? what timeline are we living in.

With Mike Tyson on commentary

All of the cocaine.

[Defrost]

Listen I would have thumbed up this show just for the pettiness of the ROH Title match. Then you throw in Double J, Shibata, Rick Ross, and Lore. Fuck this may well be show of the year.

[Morrison]

the absolute whiplash of shibata signing a contract for a match against OC immediately throwing to a rick ross backstage segment.

[Badger]

Listen I would have thumbed up this show just for the pettiness of the ROH Title match. Then you throw in Double J, Shibata, Rick Ross, and Lore. Fuck this may well be show of the year.

I haven’t watched it in full yet, just been getting social media breaking highlights but from the sounds of things, ever a show I wanted to watch stoned…this is probably it! :lol:

[Donald]

People are excited about jeff Jarrett in 2022?

[Badger]

People are excited about jeff Jarrett in 2022?

Apparently so lol

[Donald]

I've seen it referred to as TNAEW :lol:

[Badger]

I've seen it referred to as TNAEW :lol:

I’ve actually had this problem in my mind with TNA being my secondary wrestling problem for years after WWE. WCW was secondary before that lol. Thinking to myself at times on Dynamite night “Oh wonder what’s on TNA tonight?” and legit forget the AEW name. Maybe just me but force of habit for years.

[Badger]

TNA apart from the obv other sexual meaning lol just stands out more. Wish they hadn’t changed to Impact! It’s like calling WWE Smackdown!

AEW initials not so much standing out like TNA lol.

[Murphy]

Saw a lot of chat on twitter last night before the show from Bryan Alvarez and the like about "something big" happening on Dynamite last night.

:rofl:

Mid-card career heel at best, apart from when he had buddies in the office in WCW or he was in charge. Genuinely hilarious.

Guessing it's more of a big deal in a non in-ring way, but even then, what has he ever really achieved?

This company has gone to shit pretty rapidly, in my opinion.

Jeff Jarrett in 2022. :lol: :rofl:

Jeff Jarrett Vs. Billy Gunn in 2022, make it happen Tony! :rofl:

I am being harsh, it was twitter stirring it up, it's not like AEW announced it as being a huge deal or anything, but it has clearly tickled me.

[Mazer]

People are excited about jeff Jarrett in 2022?

You mean are people excited about double J in double 2?


The answer is no.

[VHS]

A year ago, AEW made the biggest noise in pro wrestling, now… Colt Cabana.

Yikes on bikes.

[Badger]

Saw a lot of chat on twitter last night before the show from Bryan Alvarez and the like about "something big" happening on Dynamite last night.

:rofl:

Mid-card career heel at best, apart from when he had buddies in the office in WCW or he was in charge. Genuinely hilarious.

Guessing it's more of a big deal in a non in-ring way, but even then, what has he ever really achieved?

This company has gone to shit pretty rapidly, in my opinion.

Jeff Jarrett in 2022. :lol: :rofl:

Jeff Jarrett Vs. Billy Gunn in 2022, make it happen Tony! :rofl:

I am being harsh, it was twitter stirring it up, it's not like AEW announced it as being a huge deal or anything, but it has clearly tickled me.

IC title match against Michaels at an IYH PPV in 1995 probably the pinnacle of his in-ring career. It was a banger but probably the only memorable Jarrett match I would ever put in a memorable match list lol.

[Murphy]

IC title match against Michaels at an IYH PPV in 1995 probably the pinnacle of his in-ring career. It was a banger but probably the only memorable Jarrett match I would ever put in a memorable match list lol.

100% agree here.

I've always hated his work. His punches for me were the weakest in the business, barring RVD's forearms. And my God, the overbooking of every main event he was ever in. Watch a WCW or TNA PPV with him in the main event and you may as well turn off before his match begins.

Apart from that match with Shawn, genuinely can't recall a match of his that I have ever enjoyed.

Those shitty balsa wood guitar shots every match too. Yawn.

And then he released a 4 disc DVD set when in TNA. :lol:

Using his dead wife to get over as a babyface in TNA was low as well.

Yeah, not his biggest fan. :D

[Mazer]

Kurt Angle is not his biggest fan either.



Waiting enthusiastically for the news:

Ken Shamrock is ALL ELITE

[Donald]

Welcome to the team, Ken Shamrock

[Badger]

Meh. Call me when Steve Blackman is All Elite.

[Murphy]

Kurt Angle is not his biggest fan either.



Waiting enthusiastically for the news:

Ken Shamrock is ALL ELITE

:lol:

[Nash Diesel]

I'm probably the biggest AEW fan on this board but holy fucking shit that was a terrible show.

Moxley needs to stop wrestling so much. It exposes that he's not very good in the ring and while I think he's the best promo guy in the company I think less is more. You don't see MJF working every Dynamite and Rampage. Maybe Mox is that much of a draw they need him compared to others that can't get over.

Colt Cabana....that's a troll job and it's kind of sad that Tony allows that kind of childish behavior. But Tony is Bischoff and Jericho is Hogan so what can you do?

Shibata probably needs the money. I think he's a moron of a wrestler as it is despite enjoying a lot of his early, early work. If he wins the belt though, that'd be cool as long as he doesn't die trying.

Jeff Jarrett...........The only people who think this is cool are liars and AEW apologists. The real AEW fans, you could see them with a look of "what the fuck is this bullshit?" I agree with people who say this guy peaked in the 90's. I liked him in the midcard and he could work. I liked his stuff in the New Gen era, and I thought his feud with D-Lo was great, his tag team with Owen was great. But main eventer in WCW and TNA--no thanks. Murphy pretty much said everything I would say.

But I'm sure Conrad Thompson will say this was fucking incredible seeing the return of Seven I mean Jeff Jarrett. Seriously he came out rockin the Seven gear just minus the facepaint lol.

[Nash Diesel]

Kurt Angle is not his biggest fan either.



Waiting enthusiastically for the news:

Ken Shamrock is ALL ELITE

They could do Ken Shamrock v. Mike Tyson in AEW.

[Donald]

I mean Double J was cool as a guest entrant in the Royal Rumble a few years ago, but that's all it should have been. Having him as a guest referee at SummerSlam just because it was in Tennessee was pathetic. What on earth does JJ have to do with the Bloodline? Felt so forced.

Hopefully Tony is smart enough to just keep him executive and not on camera, but I doubt it.

[BigAl]

Yeah this was the first AEW show I've been able to sit down and watch in a minute and holy shit...it was bad. Jeff Jarrett not only being there, and not only getting involved for whatever reason, but also being given mic time. It just took me out of the rest of the show.

[virms]

Jarrett l, if I remember correctly, has done tremendous jobs on the live event side of things for many promotions. Raising tickets sales, making travel more viable and profitable.

While that is one side of the business aew really isn't that strong in, it makes sense to bring someone accomplished into that role. The flip side is if aew is going to start traveling and doing house shows more often I just wonder how a lot of the main event talent will look at it considering one of the main perks was less dates a year and basically making close to the same money you would in wwe. I mean of a lot of the big stars aren't going to be around for those shows and your main event is going to be some mid careers I don't think they are going to be doing that much business. Guess will have to wait and see.

As far as Jarrett being back in the ring I'm just hoping it's to put some talent over although if sting, punk and Jeff hardy couldn't get him to the next level I don't think double j is either.

[NeseToTheFace]

Jarrett considered a worthy surprise in 2022 is such a letdown. When he was announced as guest ref at Summerslam I really was surprised but let down. He was only useful for interactions with Elias and as a Rumble surprise. What other dinosaurs and has-beens will AEW dig up next?

[Nash Diesel]

Jarrett l, if I remember correctly, has done tremendous jobs on the live event side of things for many promotions. Raising tickets sales, making travel more viable and profitable.

While that is one side of the business aew really isn't that strong in, it makes sense to bring someone accomplished into that role. The flip side is if aew is going to start traveling and doing house shows more often I just wonder how a lot of the main event talent will look at it considering one of the main perks was less dates a year and basically making close to the same money you would in wwe. I mean of a lot of the big stars aren't going to be around for those shows and your main event is going to be some mid careers I don't think they are going to be doing that much business. Guess will have to wait and see.

As far as Jarrett being back in the ring I'm just hoping it's to put some talent over although if sting, punk and Jeff hardy couldn't get him to the next level I don't think double j is either.

Name these promotions. TNA didn't draw $$$ doing live events, he was fired from the WWE after being there what, 8 months? Global Force never did anything but a few AAA ballfields. I'm curious where you even got any info that he's helped MANY MANY promotions....

You know what he did do? Killed WCW.

[virms]

Name these promotions. TNA didn't draw $$$ doing live events, he was fired from the WWE after being there what, 8 months? Global Force never did anything but a few AAA ballfields. I'm curious where you even got any info that he's helped MANY MANY promotions....

You know what he did do? Killed WCW.

I'm sure I could easily go find the info as you could. However, I know for a fact of I pulled info you would still dispute it. So there's really no point.

[Donald]

I won't dispute it, can you find the info for me?

[Nash Diesel]

I'm sure I could easily go find the info as you could. However, I know for a fact of I pulled info you would still dispute it. So there's really no point.

You're hilarious. You're on here disputing negative comments about Jeff Jarrett and how he's beneficial but won't provide a single shred of evidence. So it's ok for you to dispute what we're saying, yet here you are......Typical Virms.




I won't dispute it, can you find the info for me?

Yeah just google "What promotions have Jeff Jarrett helped with live events" and it brings up all the info Virms read that he won't provide....Obviously that's a sarcastic response because there is no proof. He's talking out his ass like he does every other topic. Zero knowledge, zero facts, just trying to go against the grain and get a reaction.

[Morrison]

Saw a lot of chat on twitter last night before the show from Bryan Alvarez and the like about "something big" happening on Dynamite last night.

:rofl:

Mid-card career heel at best, apart from when he had buddies in the office in WCW or he was in charge. Genuinely hilarious.

Guessing it's more of a big deal in a non in-ring way, but even then, what has he ever really achieved?

This company has gone to shit pretty rapidly, in my opinion.

Jeff Jarrett in 2022. :lol: :rofl:

Jeff Jarrett Vs. Billy Gunn in 2022, make it happen Tony! :rofl:

I am being harsh, it was twitter stirring it up, it's not like AEW announced it as being a huge deal or anything, but it has clearly tickled me.

pretty sure the jarrett thing wasn't what was being considered 'big' about last night.

[Nash Diesel]

Then what was? Colt Cabana? Shibata?

[Badger]

Carlito Colt Cobana.

Tag team that spits in the face on people that don’t want to be cool.

[Nash Diesel]

TK has the bank account to get anyone he wants idc who it is. Carlito....

https://media.tenor.com/uZPNpwL3WQgAAAAM/bloodsport-you-are-next.gif

[Badger]

Carlito looked decent at last year’s Rumble but never heard much of him since.

[virms]

I won't dispute it, can you find the info for me?

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/08/26/wwe-saw-strong-growth-in-live-events-with-jeff-jarrett-in-charge/


You're hilarious. You're on here disputing negative comments about Jeff Jarrett and how he's beneficial but won't provide a single shred of evidence. So it's ok for you to dispute what we're saying, yet here you are......Typical Virms.





Yeah just google "What promotions have Jeff Jarrett helped with live events" and it brings up all the info Virms read that he won't provide....Obviously that's a sarcastic response because there is no proof. He's talking out his ass like he does every other topic. Zero knowledge, zero facts, just trying to go against the grain and get a reaction.

See Nash this is a perfect example of why it's a waste of time. If you ready my post I guess I complimented him on running live events. I was basically negative about everything else but you choose to focus in one one thing and go all in (no punishment intended)

But hey let's boil this down. Jarret has decades of experience running live events. He's had positive feedback or he wouldn't have been hired by the number 1 company in the world to do it so obviously his reputation holds some merrit. I'm sorry your brain can only hold facts as you see fit and can't ever comprehend there could be another point.

[Mazer]

He was over live events for wwe for 4 months, and n the link Meltzer says that he doesn't necessarily credit him for the summer gains.

But there have been many wwe hires that may have Bern questionable.


But yes, he does have lots of experience in tna, global force, etc.

[virms]

He was over live events for wwe for 4 months, and n the link Meltzer says that he doesn't necessarily credit him for the summer gains.

But there have been many wwe hires that may have Bern questionable.


But yes, he does have lots of experience in tna, global force, etc.

I was more pointing out he had positive feedback from doing the job and was beneficial in his role. You know, since Nash said there was absolutely 0.

[Murphy]

pretty sure the jarrett thing wasn't what was being considered 'big' about last night.

I'm not sure if this better or worse.

What it signifies, I suppose, maybe. Again though, nah. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. Not even close.

[Morrison]

I'm not sure if this better or worse.

What it signifies, I suppose, maybe. Again though, nah. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. Not even close.

what?

given the relationship with new japan and the audience, shibata making a surprise appearance and signing for what looks like an actual match for the first time since nearly dying is without a doubt considered a 'big moment.' you putting your own expectations onto some alvarez tweet doesn't change that.

[Nash Diesel]

virms

"Not that I'm crediting him with this"

Instead of just reading a headline, maybe read what Dirtsheet Dave had to say. But I guess we're not allowed to dispute any nonsense you bring to the table because your feelings might get hurt.

[Donald]

me and the wife's couple name is Double J, since both our names begin with J

[Murphy]

what?

given the relationship with new japan and the audience, shibata making a surprise appearance and signing for what looks like an actual match for the first time since nearly dying is without a doubt considered a 'big moment.' you putting your own expectations onto some alvarez tweet doesn't change that.

In the grand scheme of things, so barring a very niche audience, nobody knows who the fuck he is.

It's come back to me now that this is the dumb cunt who nearly killed himself throwing daft as fuck headbutts. And AEW book him in a match for Rampage, 2 days later? Yeah, this is huge, you're right.

[Nash Diesel]

I will say this about AEW. In 2022 there is easier access to educate yourself on Shibata, and really anyone when you think about it. Very few wrestlers have no footage, bio, etc. on the internet. AEW relies on fans to be smartened up more than the fans should strive to be but as someone who is familiar with Shibata my opinion is different than others. Like back in 96-98 it was hard to get any real info about international wrestlers unless you were like me and bought as many wrestling mags and PWI 500's I could find. If you saw a Japanese wrestler was in the back of PWI in the top 10, since all they would do is "Japan" regardless the promotion....That guy was the shit. I'd kill to be able to hop on AOL in 1997 and watch some Masa Chono matches in Japan instead of dropping $50 on a VHS that looked like ass. But it had Onita v. Hayabusa as well on it in the exploding cage.

Personally I would like to see this match at the ppv but schedules are schedules. AEW's format is different than others and they don't mind putting random matches on if it means it'll be worth tuning in. Maybe you just hear this match was good and you tune in the next time you hear about Shibata or really anyone that you're unfamiliar with.

[Donald]

They should really just do video packages on these unique talents. Have AEW wrestlers talking about them. Gives the fans a sense of who they are and their reputation.


I don't give a damn about your bad reputation

[Badger]

They should really just do video packages on these unique talents. Have AEW wrestlers talking about them. Gives the fans a sense of who they are and their reputation.


I don't give a damn about your bad reputation

I agree. Educating yourself is fine but a brief intro on these guys at least wouldn’t go amiss for those AEW fans that don’t follow NJPW as closely.

[Nash Diesel]

That's kind of the downside of the way AEW produces their shows. While we live in an age where the information is in the palm of our hand, it's still nice to see a little more effort from the company. AEW has some good video packages here and there but fail miserably when it comes to introducing talent. It's like the onus is on us as the fans to do the work OR try your best to follow what Excalibur rattles off like the micro machine guy.

[Donald]

I think the good news about AEW starting up house shows is that they have the massive roster to make it easy for different cards at each event, so the talent won't be on the road most days of the year.

[Badger]

That's kind of the downside of the way AEW produces their shows. While we live in an age where the information is in the palm of our hand, it's still nice to see a little more effort from the company. AEW has some good video packages here and there but fail miserably when it comes to introducing talent. It's like the onus is on us as the fans to do the work OR try your best to follow what Excalibur rattles off like the micro machine guy.

That’s one of the things that NXT is great at. Little vignettes when they want to debut someone to show what they’re all about rather than assuming everyone automatically knows them by reputation. Also when do little sit-down interviews and bios like for example Roderick Strong and Balor for example explaining a bit about their background on top of that.

But yeah a little hype at least and then that may encourage fans to do the research. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

I think the good news about AEW starting up house shows is that they have the massive roster to make it easy for different cards at each event, so the talent won't be on the road most days of the year.

Oh yeah I imagine you'll get a nice mix of talent each show.

[Murphy]

That Joe and Cage main event sucked. Cage is as dull as they come.

[Morrison]

In the grand scheme of things, so barring a very niche audience, nobody knows who the fuck he is.

It's come back to me now that this is the dumb cunt who nearly killed himself throwing daft as fuck headbutts. And AEW book him in a match for Rampage, 2 days later? Yeah, this is huge, you're right.

lol what a tool

[Tainted Eclipse]

obviously shibata was rusty but that was awesome

[Defrost]

Yeah that was fun. Tyson was good too.

[Badger]

Liked the comedy exchange with the kicks and the sit-down poses.

[AudioDynamite]

Am I the only one starting to not care about AEW since the bloated roster especially the ROH and NJPW who most people know shit about has happened? Really the only thing keeping me interested is the MJF story.

[Donald]

I'm only excited when Jeff Cobb appears.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Am I the only one starting to not care about AEW since the bloated roster especially the ROH and NJPW who most people know shit about has happened? Really the only thing keeping me interested is the MJF story.

there's a lot annoying me about AEW right now. i'm still going to be watching every week and buying every ppv, but no doubt i'm pretty consistently annoyed by a lot of stuff like too many guys not getting featured enough while the roster continues to bloat and ROH dweebs with no heat and limited upside are getting thrown on the show. the product as a whole has a stagnant feel to it.

[McBain]

I feel the same. I've not been watching as religiously. Also feeling Danielson is criminally under used.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i really don't find the dissension in the BCC too interesting. nor do i find wheeler yuta too interesting. it's a shame they never really had moxley and danielson go on a tear through the tag division which seemed to be the direction when they put them together. maybe there's still time for that after moxley drops the title. but i imagine he takes a vacation after losing to MJF.

the week to week booking is really scatter brained. they need to find a groove of getting guys like darby, wardlow, hobbs, starks, ftr, eddie kingston, etc. on the show every week and doing something significant and having a real trajectory with momentum, rather than showing up once a month and stagnating in between. i'd be happy to see shorter match times and more angles in order to do so.

[McBain]

I think the best thing they can do is get ROH off the show. Refocus on the AEW belts and actually start committing to something whereby guys feel they can move up the card if they perform. Most guys are in the same position they've been since the start. The only ones I can say have truly gotten over and been elevated are The Acclaimed.

[Murphy]

lol what a tool

:lol:


Am I the only one starting to not care about AEW since the bloated roster especially the ROH and NJPW who most people know shit about has happened? Really the only thing keeping me interested is the MJF story.

I'm 100% the same. Still interested, just nowhere near as much and care far less. Too much ROH going on. Reminds me a little of the WCW stuff on Raw in 2001, but at least that was canned pretty much straight away. I know the situations are vastly different, WCW was painted as trash by the WWF for years, so their audience was programmed to think of it as inferior etc, as well as a myriad of other issues with it, but this still reminds me of it.

Not a lot seems to be happening. It's just matches for the sake of matches at the moment, it seems to me. A lack of storylines, at least decent ones.

Further highlighted obviously by the fact that WWE's product has improved significantly over the past few months, in my opinion. Not to always want to compare them, but it is natural to.

[Donald]

I wonder if the fact they are bringing the Elite back but ousting CM Punk will leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

[Nash Diesel]

Am I the only one starting to not care about AEW since the bloated roster especially the ROH and NJPW who most people know shit about has happened? Really the only thing keeping me interested is the MJF story.

lol what is it with you thinking you're the only one who thinks a certain way? Do you not read any of the posts in here?

[AudioDynamite]

lol what is it with you thinking you're the only one who thinks a certain way? Do you not read any of the posts in here?

Your ignorance is showing my friend, do you know how many sentences start with "Am I the only one?" when it is asking if anyone else feels that way, I am starting to think you come in just to try and make jabs at me.

[Donald]

They really could easily cut 50 or so wrestlers off the roster and no one would notice.

[Nash Diesel]

Your ignorance is showing my friend, do you know how many sentences start with "Am I the only one?" when it is asking if anyone else feels that way, I am starting to think you come in just to try and make jabs at me.

The Roman Reigns stuff where you said you were the only one who liked him was pretty comical.

Also, I'm a regular poster in this thread so if anything you're coming in here with your ignorance about "Am I the only one?" If you actually read any of this thread, just over the last week, you'd have that answer. But again, you like to make threads and posts thinking you're the only person who feels a certain way. You try to speak for everyone. It's odd.

[Nash Diesel]

They really could easily cut 50 or so wrestlers off the roster and no one would notice.

There are some AEW fans who will spend more time crying about the WWE cutting 50 wrestlers than if AEW cut 50 wrestlers.

[AudioDynamite]

The Roman Reigns stuff where you said you were the only one who liked him was pretty comical.

Also, I'm a regular poster in this thread so if anything you're coming in here with your ignorance about "Am I the only one?" If you actually read any of this thread, just over the last week, you'd have that answer. But again, you like to make threads and posts thinking you're the only person who feels a certain way. You try to speak for everyone. It's odd.

I wasn't saying it as "I am the only one" you asshole, learn to comprehend how the English language works, people say "Am I the only one" all the time, also I did not say I was the only one who liked Roman, so stop even speaking to me because all you do is run your god damn mouth just to take jabs that in my eyes make you look like an idiot for not understanding shit that is said.

Don't even reply to this because it is just going to be you running off at the mouth not understanding what "Am I the only one?" means.

I.E "Am I the only one who doesn't understand this?"
"Am I the only one who likes this?"
"Am I the only one who loves mustard?"

You know that others do but you phrase it that way, hell I bet your hypocritical ass does it every day without noticing.

[Nash Diesel]

I wasn't saying it as "I am the only one" you asshole, learn to comprehend how the English language works, people say "Am I the only one" all the time, also I did not say I was the only one who liked Roman, so stop even speaking to me because all you do is run your god damn mouth just to take jabs that in my eyes make you look like an idiot for not understanding shit that is said.

Don't even reply to this because it is just going to be you running off at the mouth not understanding what "Am I the only one?" means.

I.E "Am I the only one who doesn't understand this?"
"Am I the only one who likes this?"
"Am I the only one who loves mustard?"

You know that others do but you phrase it that way, hell I bet your hypocritical ass does it every day without noticing.

Well I'm going to reply this and I'm going to keep replying to whatever post I choose. I'm not the only person coming at you about the way you're wording every opinion you have as some solo venture you're taking lol.

You are 100% correct. You didn't say you were the only person who liked Roman Reigns. There's at least one victory you can throw a parade for lol. But you did rant about how supposedly there were all these fans who hated Roman and now they love him when you've been a fan since The Shield.

When you question if you're the only one who hasn't been much of a fan lately of AEW while several of us just a day or two prior were talking about how lackluster AEW has been....It's just another "Look at me I'm fuckin cool" comment.

[Donald]

Am I the only one who likes wrestling?

[Nash Diesel]

Am I the only one who likes wrestling?

2 years ago when everyone was sick and tired of Bray Wyatt I was still cheering him on. Now that he's back, everyone that hated him loves him. Fickle fans are the worst. I've been a fan of Bray since Husky Harris and now those same fans who were booing New Nexus are all on Bray Wyatt's nuts.

[Donald]

I find Bray Wyatt quite boring. He got me with the Fiend character, I thought that was fantastic at first but got old fairly quick. Same thing is happening with this return. Just weeks of the same thing. Rambling promo followed by weird shit on a screen.

Sorry, this is the AEW thread.

Do you think CM Punk will return?

[AudioDynamite]

Well I'm going to reply this and I'm going to keep replying to whatever post I choose. I'm not the only person coming at you about the way you're wording every opinion you have as some solo venture you're taking lol.

You are 100% correct. You didn't say you were the only person who liked Roman Reigns. There's at least one victory you can throw a parade for lol. But you did rant about how supposedly there were all these fans who hated Roman and now they love him when you've been a fan since The Shield.

When you question if you're the only one who hasn't been much of a fan lately of AEW while several of us just a day or two prior were talking about how lackluster AEW has been....It's just another "Look at me I'm fuckin cool" comment.

What I said about people who didn't like him before but now sing his praise now that he is heel is true and I am not questioning jack shit especially since I didn't read from 2 days ago because unlike you I spend a lot of time away from the forums and don't get my rocks off jabbing and insulting people like you do, not my fault you don't understand that.

Insult me and mock me all you want if that is what makes you feel like a superior human being although it makes you truly pathetic and no I don't care what your little friends on here think of you or back you up.

[Nash Diesel]

What I said about people who didn't like him before but now sing his praise now that he is heel is true and I am not questioning jack shit especially since I didn't read from 2 days ago because unlike you I spend a lot of time away from the forums and don't get my rocks off jabbing and insulting people like you do, not my fault you don't understand that.

Insult me and mock me all you want if that is what makes you feel like a superior human being although it makes you truly pathetic and no I don't care what your little friends on here think of you or back you up.

It's not true though and that thread proved it. I'm not a fan of when people try to generalize and be a wrestling hipster (I liked them before they got famous type mentality)

No friends here champ I'm just me and my opinion alone. I was simply mentioning that others felt differently than you.

[Donald]

I think of anyone here, Nash Diesel has the least friends :lol: Me 2nd.

[Nash Diesel]

My new mission is to make sure Audio gets 6,000 posts by the end of the year.
AudioDynamite You hear that bro? I'm comin at ya, bacon grease and all.

[AudioDynamite]

My new mission is to make sure Audio gets 6,000 posts by the end of the year.
@AudioDynamite (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=8336) You hear that bro? I'm comin at ya, bacon grease and all.

Mmmmmm bacon, basically all I want is for you to ask me if you are understanding properly, sometimes I am either not clear or say things the wrong way........just ask rather than jump my shit......and bring me the bacon!

[Matthew]

yea, nash, you have to take in consideration that he doesn't know what he is saying sometimes.

[AudioDynamite]

I know what I am saying just sometimes I have a hard time putting it into words, I mean I see you are trying to alter what I said to try to insult me but it really didn't and quite frankly showed how juvenile you are.

[Nash Diesel]

You know what I'm not a fan of? These "world title eliminator" matches. Whether that's some random tournament that includes people who never win (Dante Martin) or a random cold match against the sitting champion. I'd like to know how they came up with the 8 that are in this tournament. For example, why is Dante Martin in it? Why is Eddie Kingston? Where the hell has Lance Archer been, but apparently he's done enough to get in it lol.

Sad part is....nobody believes whoever wins this is going to beat the champ anyways. It's right after Full Gear. If MJF wins, do they really believe the fans even the AEW apologists will believe he's going to drop it Bandido? Come on.

[AudioDynamite]

You know what I'm not a fan of? These "world title eliminator" matches. Whether that's some random tournament that includes people who never win (Dante Martin) or a random cold match against the sitting champion. I'd like to know how they came up with the 8 that are in this tournament. For example, why is Dante Martin in it? Why is Eddie Kingston? Where the hell has Lance Archer been, but apparently he's done enough to get in it lol.

Sad part is....nobody believes whoever wins this is going to beat the champ anyways. It's right after Full Gear. If MJF wins, do they really believe the fans even the AEW apologists will believe he's going to drop it Bandido? Come on.

Is Bryan or Claudio in it? Jungle Boy could be in it as well as Luchasaurus which could spice it up a bit, like the cost each other the match somehow.

[MTR]

You know what I'm not a fan of? These "world title eliminator" matches. Whether that's some random tournament that includes people who never win (Dante Martin) or a random cold match against the sitting champion. I'd like to know how they came up with the 8 that are in this tournament. For example, why is Dante Martin in it? Why is Eddie Kingston? Where the hell has Lance Archer been, but apparently he's done enough to get in it lol.

Sad part is....nobody believes whoever wins this is going to beat the champ anyways. It's right after Full Gear. If MJF wins, do they really believe the fans even the AEW apologists will believe he's going to drop it Bandido? Come on.

I don't mind the random matches. It at least has the champ wrestling on tv and not just cutting promos until the next title defense.

Now I am with you when it comes to some of these tournaments and who is in them. Makes me scratch my head a lot.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't mind the random matches. It at least has the champ wrestling on tv and not just cutting promos until the next title defense.

Now I am with you when it comes to some of these tournaments and who is in them. Makes me scratch my head a lot.

I would rather see the champ cut promos and not wrestle pointless matches every week. Like I said about Moxley...He's not a very good wrestler so him going out there every Dynamite and Rampage working against talent that aren't as good or better than him, it exposes their World champ as subpar. I don't mind if it's part of the storyline. I'm not saying I don't want to see the champ wrestle, I just don't think we need to see them every week in cold matches especially against low card guys going 15-20 minutes.

[MTR]

I don't think we need to see the champ every week but I just like seeing them wrestle. Wither it be in a tag match or eliminator match or whatever.

Moxley is not a bad wrestler. He can do better than what he is doing but I think he is just doing the more brawling violent thing because that is where he has landed with the character in AEW. He is not as good as Danielson or Claudio so this works for him. I wouldn't say he is subpar. Just my view.

I have enjoyed the eliminator matches we have seen both AEW and WWE use for all the champs. Sure some of them are not the best matches but get some decent ones here and there.

[Nash Diesel]

You put Moxley in there with a Danielson he'll look great, but that's the downside of working guys on the level of Danielson-damn near anyone can look great. I don't think we need to see Moxley going 15 minutes with Lee Moriarty for example. There needs to be levels clearly defined and if you're trying to tell me guys like Moxley and Dante Martin or Lee Moriarty are on the same level, why can't they get any quality wins?

I just feel like A-the roster is big enough to where you don't need your champ out there wrestling every show and B-if you are, put them against quality opponents. I get that sometimes the storyline can add some flexibility like Mox facing Lee kind of ties in with the MJF stuff via the Firm. But the Firm sucks and it's just unnecessary.

[Donald]

Is Jon Moxley capable of a 5 star match? Probably not, but he's good at what he does.

[Nash Diesel]

Is Jon Moxley capable of a 5 star match? Probably not, but he's good at what he does.

Oh yeah he's decent, I'm not saying he's shit and maybe me saying "subpar" was a little strong. He's definitely capable I've seen a few Shield 6-man tags that were incredible like the TLC match against Ryback and Team Hell No I believe it was.

[VHS]

It's not true though and that thread proved it. I'm not a fan of when people try to generalize and be a wrestling hipster (I liked them before they got famous type mentality)

No friends here champ I'm just me and my opinion alone. I was simply mentioning that others felt differently than you.

Bro, you're a monument of generalizing people. :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

Bro, you're a monument of generalizing people. :lol:

Wakanda Forever.

[Mazer]

Bro, you're a monument of generalizing people. :lol:

I'm a monument.

All around the world statues crumble for me.




Psycho666Soldier

[Nash Diesel]

I'm a monument.

All around the world statues crumble for me.




@Psycho666Soldier (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=31418)

I was like, what the hell is that line from? Thanks.

[Mazer]

I do what I do like I do

[Donald]

Super Cat

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm a monument.

All around the world statues crumble for me.




Psycho666Soldier

Who knows how long I've loved you

[Badger]

Can’t say I’ve ever been a big Paige fan but that promo was pretty good though.

[Nash Diesel]

The weird part about that whole segment was that most of us knew she was cleared 2-3 weeks ago. I was like, why doesn't the crowd really care and then it hit me--we already knew this.

There's a part of me that is happy she can return but then there's the other part that just can't shake that footage of her getting the mule kick to the back, crumbling like the T-1000 when he gets hit with the nitrogen. It was fucking scary. We didn't see that with guys like Edge, Danielson. It kind of reminded me of Austin getting hurt by Owen.

Someone did say she got cleared by the Miami Dolphins doctor which I thought was kind of funny until some mark goes "Uh for one Tony owns Jacksonville not Miami" I'm like dude....you totally missed the joke.

[MTR]

I liked the promo and all but yeah we all pretty much knew she was cleared and they were building to her and Baker.

I am glad she is back but part of me is still worried about what kind of shape she is in.

[Donald]

I'm more worried because it seems like AEW has a rougher style of wrestling. I mean there has to be a reason why I see AEW Botch accounts and not WWE botch accounts, right?

One wrong move and she could be paralyzed or something worse.

[Nash Diesel]

I liked the promo and all but yeah we all pretty much knew she was cleared and they were building to her and Baker.

I am glad she is back but part of me is still worried about what kind of shape she is in.

Yeah not just normal shape but wrestling shape. I get that over here the expectations many wrestling fans have for the women are not even remotely as high as they have for the men. So even if she's sloppy, gasses out, plus the fact she hasn't wrestled in 5 years, she'll get some leeway on how she does. Especially in AEW where they maybe have 2-3 good wrestlers, but none of them IMHO are safe. Not even Serena, something about working in AEW diminishes your ability to work safe.


I'm more worried because it seems like AEW has a rougher style of wrestling. I mean there has to be a reason why I see AEW Botch accounts and not WWE botch accounts, right?

One wrong move and she could be paralyzed or something worse.



There are but the best one is obviously Botchamania lol. The thing is, rough style or not, you can still get hurt. Remember, all the names I just mentioned got hurt in the WWE. I know Edge ruined his neck the last time spearing Brodus Clay I believe. Not sure if Danielson's were one incident or multiple. Obviously Paige took the kick to the back.

Remember when Sami Zayn answered the Cena Open Challenge and shredded his shoulder doing his pose? Out for like 6 months throwing up his arm lol. Or when Neville broke his ankle sliding under the bottom rope and it caught the apron or whatever.

But on the flipside, AEW does seem to be more careless in the ring. My homeboy I watch AEW with joked that Britt entered the ring and broke her nose again (she didn't but it was funny). With how carless they are about head injuries I wouldn't be shocked if Paige is back on the injured list by Christmas.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Let's also not forget Tyson Kidd taking a move that Samoa Joe has done for years with no repercussions.

I haven't really been watching AEW the last few weeks. School's been kicking my ass and I think some of the shit that happened with Punk and The Elite took the wind out of my sails. I plan on catching up eventually, but I am at least curious to see how Saraya does after so much time away from the ring.

[Nash Diesel]

Let's also not forget Tyson Kidd taking a move that Samoa Joe has done for years with no repercussions.

I haven't really been watching AEW the last few weeks. School's been kicking my ass and I think some of the shit that happened with Punk and The Elite took the wind out of my sails. I plan on catching up eventually, but I am at least curious to see how Saraya does after so much time away from the ring.

I'm right there with you. I'll even go back a little more and say that when Punk got hurt immediately after winning the title from Page and then he came back and got squashed. I just haven't really been that excited for anything with AEW. I watch it religiously still but it's starting to feel like a chore. I'm also not a fan of the cluster fuck of championships and most of the defenses mean nothing.

[NeseToTheFace]

I watched regularly for about the first 8-10 months and then didn't follow along as much. Sometimes just feels like wrestling overload and I've long been a WWE guy, with a little time in the early 2010s watching Impact. I hardly recognize the Impact roster these days, feels like a lot of them come in for several months then disappear and move on to somewhere else and then it's like "Oh shit I totally forgot this person existed".

With the size of AEW's roster it's often easy to lose track of people but I will say they seem to put a lot of effort into their main event people, either mens or womens, and featuring stables a lot too. AEW could probably cut 20 people off the roster and it would mostly go unnoticed. Hell, they could release Chuck and Trent and I wouldn't even notice Orange Cassidy being on his own.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think AEW as a whole still delivers a good product. Like we can be nitpicky and stuff, but the baseline of match quality is good on average. But yeah, it just feels either directionless on one end, or too directional on the other. Some acts disappear right when they're hot, while the BCC/JAS stuff is arguably dragging on too long to keep the stars doing something fresh.

[Donald]

The honeymoon phase doesn't last forever.

[Nash Diesel]

The oversized roster makes it hard for things to truly be great. MJF v. Moxley was alright the first time, it's been a mediocre build due to incorporating The Firm which aside from Ethan Page I can't see any upside to the others. Including the Ass Boys lol.

Like you said Psycho sometimes there's too much of something that isn't very good and not enough of what is actually good. I feel like we are 100% in that situation right now. I'm not really a fan of The Elite so I could take them or leave them so I'm not really pumped for them. For me it's pretty much just MJF and then hoping everything else is at least somewhat decent. Like if MJF actually wins the belt before he plays the fake Von Erich brother Lance that's interesting because what's next? Especially if he goes the babyface route and maybe he just shits all over Kenny Omega. I said shits, I meant shoots. lol

Really MJF against anyone is better than most scenarios. Even if he stays a babyface because there's still some people he hasn't fought that he can carry. I mean they gave PAC and Orange Cassidy world title matches what's stopping MJF v. Orange Cassidy for the belt? What's stopping MJF v. Darby Allin for the belt? Maybe Shawn Spears gets the big push idk lol.

[Mazer]

there's still a lot of positive. Some good wrestling. Fun wrestling dork moments. And they do employ a lot of folks I like.


We were aware of Vince's limitations and flaws as a creative lead for a long time. And there were times when Vince could be brilliant. That said, I think there's a fairly established consensus that he was better (and this is true of basically every leader) when he had people he was listening to. As the circle shrank, and there were more "just my decision" moments, we saw even more of his limitations.


I think we're seeing that with Khan now. I do joke a lot about Khan. Because he gives us a lot to joke about. But he (and others) have built AEW into something worthwhile. And it was likely smart of him to consolidate a few things away from the EVPs, as he stated he did more than a year ago. But I think you're seeing his limitations now.

The beginning of every live event Justin runs down "Let's hear it for our Founder, Owner, President, General Manager, Creative director, Writer....Tony Khan". It is not any less egotistical than anything Vince has ever done. And really he's inexperienced. He has a lot of people in various places that have experience, but there's no evidence of a formal organizational structure. And when it's one person, you miss things, you get distracted, you drop the ball, etc. Over the last year, the limitations of how well tony's creative adapts on the fly, responds to the audience, etc has been made manifest.

I think Tony needs to figure out who is actual best creative people are, and empower them to make decisions.

[Nash Diesel]

It just shows that if Dixie was not only a money mark but a die hard wrestling fan mark TNA would've been huge. She didn't have the funds like Tony but she had enough and the support of Spike (sans promotion).

She had a very similar roster in terms of what they did in WWE, ECW, and WCW. Plus the unestablished guys like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, etc. But she also wound up with the same issue. She became too big of a mark and listened to certain people too often. I can't blame her. She didn't know any better and I don't think Jeff Jarrett leading the charge was any better or worse. Probably worse since he felt he needed to be the man when he was clearly not the top guy there.

[VHS]

*waves head* Never drew a dime.

[Nash Diesel]

Jarrett is one of those guys where I applaud him for TNA and always trying to keep a #2 or #3 promotion out there. On the flipside I do think about how even before the blame shifted to Hogan and Bischoff that he hindered their growth by taking up the spotlight.

[Donald]

Mjf is weak.

[Badger]

I hope they don’t just pull the old in cahoots swerve with MJF and the Firm. Have him go over Mox clean for a change and pass the torch.

When was the last time Mox got beat clean apart from Punk beating him in Chicago?

[Nash Diesel]

I'm just glad we're going to see Jeff Jarrett v. Sting in 4 different decades.

[Mazer]

i think they still have decent odds for pulling one off in 2030 as well.

50 years of Sting/Jarrett.

[Nash Diesel]

The rivalry nobody wanted, asked for, cared about it spanning 3 companies now lol. Jesus Christ I want to know what people who don't watch wrestling think when they turn on TNT for some odd reason and see Jeff Jarrett and Sting and Jericho still out there. Probably the same reaction people got when they randomly turned on WWE in 2002 and there was Hulk still dropping the leg winning World titles lol.

[Badger]

Now I’ve got this mental image of Jarrett and Sting in the nursing home trying to whack each other with crutches and walking sticks instead of bats and guitars.

[Nash Diesel]

When you think of the great rivalries of the last 30 years, Sting v. Jeff Jarrett has to be in the top 300 right?

[Mazer]

Oh, easily.

I'd even have it ahead of Candice Michelle/Victoria.

[Nash Diesel]

Oh, easily.

I'd even have it ahead of Candice Michelle/Victoria.

Victoria joined the "I'm 50+ used to be a celebrity now I have an OnlyFans" club.

[VHS]

Victoria joined the "I'm 50+ used to be a celebrity now I have an OnlyFans" club.

Don't OF shame. Victoria's a damn gem.

[NeseToTheFace]

i think they still have decent odds for pulling one off in 2030 as well.

50 years of Sting/Jarrett.

Wheelchair race around the arena

[virms]

Victoria joined the "I'm 50+ used to be a celebrity now I have an OnlyFans" club.

Taking it you were the first member.

Probably an easy way for her to get cash. Her restaurant/bar died during covid and she's not really in demand anywhere else.

[Nash Diesel]

Taking it you were the first member.

Probably an easy way for her to get cash. Her restaurant/bar died during covid and she's not really in demand anywhere else.

Shit I don't have $24.99 to blow on Victoria. No offense but I have plenty of free peak Victoria content. I watch the podcast she does with Mickie James and So Cal Val quite a bit so that works too. She's incredible.

[Nash Diesel]

Don't OF shame. Victoria's a damn gem.

no shame just seems like there's been this surge of women around her age popping up on OF. Shout out to them .

[Mazer]

Shit I don't have $24.99 to blow on Victoria. No offense but I have plenty of free peak Victoria content. I watch the podcast she does with Mickie James and So Cal Val quite a bit so that works too. She's incredible.

is that a good pod?

[Nash Diesel]

is that a good pod?

Yes. The ones I've watched have been really good. There was a really good ep with Samoa Joe. It's a pretty chill show and SoCal Val....I never really heard her talk because she was basically a mute in TNA. She's very smart, Mickie and Victoria are great friends too and they have a lot of respect among their peers and the younger talent so they get a wide variety of guests.

[Mazer]

no shame just seems like there's been this surge of women around her age popping up on OF. Shout out to them .

Women in their 50s are hotter these days.

You seen Salma Hayek? Shakira? Hally Berry? Liz Hurley? Linda McMahon?

[Morrison]

I hope they don’t just pull the old in cahoots swerve with MJF and the Firm. Have him go over Mox clean for a change and pass the torch.

When was the last time Mox got beat clean apart from Punk beating him in Chicago?

probably when he lost the iwgp us title to lance archer in the texas death match. don't know if you'd consider that clean, though. it's a hardcore match, but archer won within the rule set and didn't do anything underhanded or nefarious to get the victory

[Badger]

probably when he lost the iwgp us title to lance archer in the texas death match. don't know if you'd consider that clean, though. it's a hardcore match, but archer won within the rule set and didn't do anything underhanded or nefarious to get the victory

Fair play as I’d forgotten about that.

Also makes me think Lance should’ve gotten a better push than he did considering he had Jake behind him. Otherwise he’s been cannon fodder for the big stars like Wardlow. A great talent who I hope doesn’t get lost in the shuffle.

[Nash Diesel]

The Jake/Lance pairing never made any sense to me.

[Donald]

It was a shock to see Jake appear on AEW, but that shock wore off fairly quickly.

[Nash Diesel]

It was a shock to see Jake appear on AEW, but that shock wore off fairly quickly.

I think Jake the Snake as the mouthpiece for a stable would've been better than just him and Archer. Jake gathering a group of talent that were on the cusp just missing one or two ingredients that he could provide.

[MTR]

Yeah I would have rather seen Jake lead a group like you said.

I like Archer and think he should have done more in AEW at this point. He gets built up and then just puts over someone. His biggest win is probably his IWGP US win over Moxley.

[McBain]

I think his role as jobber to the stars is about right.

[Donald]

Did anyone else feel it weird when Britt Baker and Paige had their confrontation, but they spent more time talking to the crowd or the camera rather than each other?

Oof, the pressure on Paige to deliver a quality performance at Full Gear must be insane.

[Nash Diesel]

Did anyone else feel it weird when Britt Baker and Paige had their confrontation, but they spent more time talking to the crowd or the camera rather than each other?

Oof, the pressure on Paige to deliver a quality performance at Full Gear must be insane.

Yeah it was super weird. It felt like they were having a debate trying to win over the at home viewers.

If people are realistic, even the most die hard AEW apologist type fan should know by now that the bar in AEW is extremely low for quality women's matches. That's why the only ones that stand out are usually the ones where Britt does something violent and unnecessary to herself because every other match is just a botch fest that makes Tamina look like peak Kurt Angle.

Plus if you're a fan like I am where I'm going to be more concerned with Paige's health, you probably won't enjoy this match regardless how good/bad it is. I mean, that 187 DDT she gave Britt looked pretty weak and again, she hasn't wrestled in 4-5 years. What kind of training has she even been able to do since she was just cleared less than a month ago?

[Donald]

Gotta wonder why the WWE doctors never cleared her, but as soon as she's somewhere else she gets cleared immediately.

I also don't think a doctor's gonna clear her unless she's 100% ready. Imagine the backlash against him or her if Paige does end up severely injured.

[VHS]

They've really done a terrible job bringing Paige in. Her showing up and just saying it's her house, it's her house, it's her house... and then Britt comes off as the sensible one.

Shoot, I need to stop referring to her as Paige. Saraya.

SARAYA.

[Nash Diesel]

Gotta wonder why the WWE doctors never cleared her, but as soon as she's somewhere else she gets cleared immediately.

I also don't think a doctor's gonna clear her unless she's 100% ready. Imagine the backlash against him or her if Paige does end up severely injured.

Part of me wants to believe that Tony Khan and AEW are starting to take things a little more seriously. For example, stopping the Moxley/Page match when several times just this year alone we've seen people get knocked out cold. Did they stop the match? Nope. Just dragged these boys off to the corner and carried out with their act. But who am I to judge it's not like Over the Edge didn't go on........

The WWE were probably thinking of her health, the liability if she were to get seriously hurt again. I don't know how much worse her situation was than Edge, Bryan, or whoever else we can add to the list that came back in various forms. She's also someone who was broke in the old school way, she was traveling in her teens solo going to wrestling shows. For the real ones, even if it's 50/50 they'll take it.

[Nash Diesel]

Fantasy booking I would've had her debut as Toni Storm's backup at the Full Gear ppv. AEW likes to do those big special Dynamites, have SARAYA v. Britt Baker headline a Dynamite, winner gets a title shot against Storm/Hayter winner. It wasn't the worst way to come in and my idea probably sucks too but I feel like it's a rushed match--but who knows what kind of shelf life she has. CM Punk gave us a few good matches/moments that trump anything the majority of AEW has accomplished without him so who knows, she might be that level up the women's division needs even for a hot minute.

[Donald]

Wild prediction, but CM Punk returns at Full Gear to cause the Elite to lose their match.

[Nash Diesel]

If the crowd isn't chanting CM Punk during the Trios title match then I'm disappointed with the level of smark mentality some AEW fans have.

The problem is the dude is legit hurt and won't be doing anything for awhile.

[MTR]

yeah he is legit hurt but even if he wasn't I am leaning on believing he is done with the company.

I do expect some chants though.

[MTR]

Gotta wonder why the WWE doctors never cleared her, but as soon as she's somewhere else she gets cleared immediately.

I also don't think a doctor's gonna clear her unless she's 100% ready. Imagine the backlash against him or her if Paige does end up severely injured.

She wasn't cleared as soon as she got there though. In an interview she said she got cleared on Halloween. Looks like she had been cleared to do some physical stuff but no matches and she went and got scans and stuff done and said she could go.

WWE tends to play it safe honestly it seems at times. Danielson had to go through a lot to get clearance. Honestly don't blame them for that.

[Donald]

If the crowd isn't chanting CM Punk during the Trios title match then I'm disappointed with the level of smark mentality some AEW fans have.

The problem is the dude is legit hurt and won't be doing anything for awhile.

They could always do the lights go out thing they love so much and then have CM Punk appear on the big screen, leading masked wrestler # 1 to roll up Kenny Omega for the win.

[Nash Diesel]

Hey if CM Punk is gone at least we got the MJF feud. I've said it several times but me personally I think that was one of the best feuds in many, many years I put that up there against anything that's came out post-Attitude Era as one of the best. Of any promotion. Everything before and after has felt "less than" imo. Imagine 3 years into the WWE and you get Stone Cold v. The Rock. How do you go up from there it's only down.

Like I can't even think of a feud I care about if MJF wins the belt. Kind of want to see him interact with Kenny Omega as he's one of the few main eventers MJF hasn't worked with in AEW that I recall. That's more just a rankings thing I don't really care about the feud, MJF will smoke dude in one promo and that'll be it for "69 me Don!"

[MTR]

The Punk/MJF feud was great.

[Nash Diesel]

That and MJF's "Fire me you fucking mark" promo will be incredibly difficult to surpass and I think that's a problem I'm having right now with AEW. Mind you I'm almost 41 and don't have all the time in the world to watch the sunset let alone the 900 hours of wrestling I want to soak up. Add on 35 years of being a fan it's very hard for me to get hyped up for wrestling these days but somehow I pull it off. I think that's what's happening right now is that while there might be some really good stuff going on in AEW it pales in comparison to MJF and CM Punk.

[Mazer]

CM Punk, Wardlow, and Y2J .....MJF was their top AEW feud, and nobody hit the same heights after.


Convince me otherwise.

[Nash Diesel]

CM Punk, Wardlow, and Y2J .....MJF was their top AEW feud, and nobody hit the same heights after.


Convince me otherwise.

I agree 100%. I wasn't even a fan of the MJF/Jericho stuff but I agree it was Jericho's best work. Let's add Cody Rhodes to that mix too. I really liked that rivalry and he never hit the same stride. Him and Punk kind of have a bit of an excuse as Cody was kind of in and out doing other ventures and Punk was hurt lol. But it still holds true regardless.

Whatever IT is, MJF gets it 100%. I believe in everything he says as a grown ass man but that's why it works. I don't think he goes home and takes off the MJF suit I think that's just him amped up. That's what weeds out the cosplayers. There have been a lot of wrestlers over the last 20 years or so who have benefitted from the scripted environment and/or the high spot Dick Grayson circus routines. There's a reason Juventud was just "there" until he took off the mask and sprayed the Juice. We wouldn't have some of the people we've had if it was about the total package.

[BigAl]

I think it was on DDP's podcast where he said MJF is just Max turned up to 11. DDP compared MJF to guys like himself, Austin, the Rock, who just turn the dial as far as it can go on their personalities and magic happens.

[Donald]

Is his in ring work any good? I mean the Rock was terrible in the ring but at least he worked with charisma.

[Nash Diesel]

Is his in ring work any good? I mean the Rock was terrible in the ring but at least he worked with charisma.

I guess it depends on what you define as good. I thought The Rock was very good in the ring. MJF can hold his own let's put it that way. It's not like watching Warrior or John Cena going through the motions.

[Tainted Eclipse]

yeah, the idea that rock was "terrible" in the ring is nuts imo. he had incredibly athleticism and several great matches. and his ring-work was pretty continuously improving and he was adapting for the more 'workrate' style as the low in-ring expectations of 1998 gave way to 2000-2002 with guys like benoit, eddie, and angle getting pushes. if he didn't leave for hollywood he probably only would've gotten better as a worker.

[Nash Diesel]

I'll admit he had a terrible Sharpshooter but so did Sting after like 1994. Sting stopped giving a fuck and did that pitiful scorpion.

The Rock easily held his own against the likes of Kurt Angle, Benoit, Jericho, etc. The Rock could literally work with anyone, any style didn't matter. You want hardcore? He's there. 60 minutes? He's there. Technical back and forth don't sleep on him.

[Mazer]

I enjoyed the Rock. Quick pace. Mixed styles well. Committed to selling for every opponent

[Badger]

The worst thing about the Rock in the ring was his crapshooter (love the guy but it was horrible) and maybe his storyline punches but that was part of the fun when he played to the crowd.

But other than that, he was generally fluid and athletic. I loved little things how he could float over into the likes of a spinebuster and DDT. If you’re a fan of the pure technical, mechanical paint by-the-numbers stuff then maybe Rock was not for you. However I personally liked the fluid transitions he did in between moves and put his flavour in between moves.

Essentially not the best technically but he knew enough plus psychologically plus how to play the crowd instead of being too mechanically and robotic to the point the crowd were bored.

[Nash Diesel]

Let's be honest The Rock could've came out and been the absolute shits and nobody would've thought much of it due to how charismatic he was/is. When you watch his 1998 run and his evolution from the Ken Shamrock feud to the Mick Foley stuff at the end of the year going into Mania 15 against Austin.....You never really hear anyone compare The Rock to people from the past but if Austin is Hogan, The Rock is Roddy Piper. Sure Austin had a great 1998 with HBK, Dude Love, Brothers of Destruction and Vince. But The Rock was his rival. I put Piper over Macho in terms of Hogan's biggest rival because Hogan v. Piper is what changed the game so Hogan v. Savage could be so big.

Bringing this back to MJF I think despite being in the business several years and I believe even having a Stone Cold podcast interview prior to AEW, he's the guy that the casuals need to see. IDK if AEW is that platform but regardless, he's the #1 guy in AEW in my opinion. If the numbers don't match up I'd love to know who the top draw is if it isn't him. For this product, which isn't on the level of WWE nobody is or ever will be in our lifetimes so that's ok, but for AEW this guy has to be the man right? Like if someone that isn't a big fan came to me the big wrasslin fan and said "Who outside of WWE should I check out?" MJF is where I'm sending you with the fuck you mark promo, all the Punk and Regal promos he's layed down, maybe some of the Cody stuff. Fire.

[Badger]

I do agree that certain guys like Rock can bridge that in-ring gap with charisma (not that Rock was really that bad in the ring as per discussed) it is an entertainment and a business at the end of the day.

As far as MJF goes, very much agree on the Punk feud. As far as his feud with Mox goes, although I could see storyline for both these scenarios. The Firm and him being in cahoots or he beats Moxley legit for the title, I am really hoping for the latter to continue the evolution of his character. Though he is still very young, if he was using the Firm all along then it would still in a way back to square one where he was. HeÂ’s a great heel, one of the best but I would love it more if he lived up to his word and beat Mox straight up without the Dynamite ring or the Firm.

While young and if they went that route I could understand it but him building on that promo fire beating Mox straight up would be even more fantastic IMO getting that major legit title win at a younger age.

[VHS]

I do agree that certain guys like Rock can bridge that in-ring gap with charisma (not that Rock was really that bad in the ring as per discussed) it is an entertainment and a business at the end of the day.

As far as MJF goes, very much agree on the Punk feud. As far as his feud with Mox goes, although I could see storyline for both these scenarios. The Firm and him being in cahoots or he beats Moxley legit for the title, I am really hoping for the latter to continue the evolution of his character. Though he is still very young, if he was using the Firm all along then it would still in a way back to square one where he was. HeÂ’s a great heel, one of the best but I would love it more if he lived up to his word and beat Mox straight up without the Dynamite ring or the Firm.

While young and if they went that route I could understand it but him building on that promo fire beating Mox straight up would be even more fantastic IMO getting that major legit title win at a younger age.

I'm fine w/ MJF beating Mox straight up. Fuck yeah.

Flip side, I'm also cool w/ MJF beating Mox by using some kind of shit tactic because... that's who MJF is. But we're parallel that him winning due to outside interference from The Firm(1993) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106918/).

Basically, I hope MJF wins and I'm fairly certain he will. Mox barely cares and can't even remember which day the PPV is on. He looks terrible compared to how he looked when he returned.

[Badger]

I'm fine w/ MJF beating Mox straight up. Fuck yeah.

Flip side, I'm also cool w/ MJF beating Mox by using some kind of shit tactic because... that's who MJF is. But we're parallel that him winning due to outside interference from The Firm(1993) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106918/).

Basically, I hope MJF wins and I'm fairly certain he will. Mox barely cares and can't even remember which day the PPV is on. He looks terrible compared to how he looked when he returned.

Thank God It’s Saturday! ;)

I’m sure too that he will win either way and tbh won’t be great harm done if this is all a ruse and he could get that big clean win later. However, how much sweeter would it be if they struck while the iron is hot and gave him that big career-breaking clean win now? Although the big deal they’re making him about not using the Dynamite Diamond Ring as well makes me think other shenanigans are afoot.

[Nash Diesel]

If you want MJF to be a babyface you have him beat Moxley clean and ride that accomplishment. Mox and the rare loss. Dude is making Super Cena look like a bitch lol.

I have zero desire to see anything with The Firm. Ethan Page is good but he's someone I feel like should be on his own OR just have a manager. The pointless team with Scorpio Sky did him no favors. The pairing with Dan Lambert would've been better without Sky. Maybe I'm just expecting something out of Ethan that isn't even there, like there's no 3rd-4th gear he's just going to be in the middle forever.

[OD50]

I don't watch AEW at all these days (seen two matches in +1 years) but I caught a pic of MJF recently and he looked to be in killer shape. Looks like he is taking this main event (and title reign?) seriously at least.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't watch AEW at all these days (seen two matches in +1 years) but I caught a pic of MJF recently and he looked to be in killer shape. Looks like he is taking this main event (and title reign?) seriously at least.

I know it was just announced he's playing the fake Von Erich brother Lance but I wonder how long he's known about it and that's why he bulked up. Those 2-3 months he was gone he put in some serious work at the gym for sure.

[Mazer]

I don't watch AEW at all these days (seen two matches in +1 years) but I caught a pic of MJF recently and he looked to be in killer shape. Looks like he is taking this main event (and title reign?) seriously at least.


I know it was just announced he's playing the fake Von Erich brother Lance but I wonder how long he's known about it and that's why he bulked up. Those 2-3 months he was gone he put in some serious work at the gym for sure.

Maybe a little bit of column A, little bit of column B.

[Nash Diesel]

You know what's weird? The guy doesn't wrestle that often so when I see him in anything but his typical scarf, jacket, pants attire it throws me off for a bit. He has that goofy tat and idk, I'm not saying he should wrestle in street clothes but the other night when he was wearing the black tank top and pants he looked pretty sweet.

[MTR]

If you want MJF to be a babyface you have him beat Moxley clean and ride that accomplishment. Mox and the rare loss. Dude is making Super Cena look like a bitch lol.

I have zero desire to see anything with The Firm. Ethan Page is good but he's someone I feel like should be on his own OR just have a manager. The pointless team with Scorpio Sky did him no favors. The pairing with Dan Lambert would've been better without Sky. Maybe I'm just expecting something out of Ethan that isn't even there, like there's no 3rd-4th gear he's just going to be in the middle forever.

Out of that group I think Page has the biggest upside and yeah I agree that having him with Sky really didn't do him any favors especially once they basically decided to push Sky as a singles instead of having them just do tags. I think he can be get above the middle but not sure he will actually get there between the way he is booked and the fact I think he could do better despite the booking.

[Mazer]

Honestly, I don't see what "plus" areas Page has that are going to make him more than a solid midcarder.

[Donald]

Really need to put him, Adam page, and Paige into a faction, with ddp as their mouthpiece.

Page Turners
Turn the Page
Page Against THE machine

[Donald]

I gotta admit I have no clue who Ethan page is

I only know adam page from watching an awkward primo and epico with cm punk.

[Badger]

Page against the Machine where they rebel against authority would be glorious.

[Defrost]

Did like no one watch the PPV?

[Morrison]

i watched, like every other PPV. this thread tends to usually suck, though.

first ppv of theirs where i truly felt the length. the women's title match ended and i thought we were going into the main event, only to find out we had the tag title match still. the darby/sting vs lethal/jarrett match was perfect for a dynamite or rampage, absolutely zero need to have this on the ppv. the tnt title triple threat also felt like it could've been a dynamite main event instead of taking up a big chunk of time here. storm/hayter was really great, but the crowd just wasn't engaged for most of it, and the tag title match just was not at the level it was booked and paced for with all the nearfalls and runtime.

overall, i think this may be pretty low on my 'all time' list for AEW ppv's, but it was still pretty solid, all told.

[Badger]

Did like no one watch the PPV?

I watch them the next day. Timezone and length, just don’t have the energy to watch these things live.

I think overall “solid” is about right. Loved Jungle Boy/Lucha and the trios match. Shenanigans in MJF/Moxley. Quelle surprise in that one but seeing it’s Regal and rather than the Firm, I could let this pass a bit as they will kill it on the mic. Even the fans were turning on Mox lol. But yeah apart from that, nothing really stood out. Just too much overbooking, run-ins and “swerves” and not enough clean finishes. Mix it up a bit.

[Badger]

Plus waaay too many tombstones in these matches. I don’t know if this is them trying to pay tribute to Taker or whatever but they get overused way too much and watered down to like a signature move that’s kicked out of now.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i want a three hour PPV time limit so bad.

and no loop hole using the pre-show as an extension of the PPV to make it four hours! one match on the pre-show, three hour main card. my dream.

[Badger]

“Less is more”

They still don’t get it.

[Morrison]

they do. tony khan has addressed the ppv lengths a couple times now. he's aware of the complaints and criticisms, but has pretty much said with 4 core ppv's a year, he's not really concerned about the length and he'd rather pack the card in order to justify the price tag. cutting them down by an hour likely isn't going to garner many extra buys, so at that point it's just up to his philosophy and how he wants to run things.

[Badger]

they do. tony khan has addressed the ppv lengths a couple times now. he's aware of the complaints and criticisms, but has pretty much said with 4 core ppv's a year, he's not really concerned about the length and he'd rather pack the card in order to justify the price tag. cutting them down by an hour likely isn't going to garner many extra buys, so at that point it's just up to his philosophy and how he wants to run things.

Point about they have less PPV shows per year noted but at the same time they need to better build their TV shows. Not so much shit to the wall and see what sticks or so many random title matches given away for free on the back of one promo or two. Like for example “Oh Moxley defends against Penta on Rampage” just because he asked. Make people earn that shit . They’re throwing too much stuff away. There’s also the thing of too many titles and their ROH champions being regular AEW guys and not separating the titles though I also do realise too many titles might be a separate again.

Essentially what it could boil down too IMO is despite the less PPV shows, they are still spreading themselves too thin. Take more time to build these matches and feuds rather than these “surprises” with their signings and such.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i don't think loading up the PPVs with 10+ matches really boosts business. you sell PPVs on the appeal of the one or two biggest matches, for the most part. cutting down the PPVs would leave them with more significant matches to put on TV to dry to drive up ratings.

to see if a reduced runtime would make an impact on business, they'd have to dedicate probably a whole year to doing it to see if the different experience changes customer behavior. i'm an automatic PPV buyer, i'll continue to buy AEW PPVs by default unless they just suffer a catastrophic decline in quality as a promotion. but if i were a more marginal purchaser, the experience of being burned-out on a show a couple matches before the main event even *starts* would definitely disincentivize me to buy future shows.

[Donald]

They need to get on a streaming service like Amazon or hulu

[Nash Diesel]

A couple weeks of us talking about how AEW just isn't firing on all cylinders and the New Japan guy still can't figure out why there's not much discussion about the ppv lol.

MJF winning, solid. Curious to know if this was the plan all along but they just replaced Punk with Mox.

As far as the ppv time goes....Let's be honest, we've sat through longer ppvs from other companies and the people watching AEW religiously and ordering the ppvs don't care if they go 3 hours or 13 hours.

[BGMaverick]

- The show was too long.
- The first two women's matches weren't given any favors in the sense of the matches they had to follow.
- It is cool that the trios championship is now part of a best-of-seven, but I think that would have been better to know prior to the fact lol.
- The tag title trilogy was two matches too many.
- Thought the ROH and TNT championship matches were pretty good.
- Glad to see they pulled the trigger with Jamie. The interim stuff is silly, though.
- Fun main event.

[Badger]

The heat for Elite during that trios match from the Chicago was nuclear! Vibes of Cena in ECW One Night Stand.

Also they finally binned the interim shit and Hayter’s the proper champion. Thank God for that!

[VHS]

Tough time for Thunder. She made the right call :(

[MTR]

Haven't watched it yet but glad we don't have an interim champ anymore. Hate that shit. I hate it in UFC. I hate it everywhere. I am fine with giving someone a little bit of time and maybe delay a defense but if they can't go strip them and crown a new champ and the former champ can be brought back into the mix as soon as they are back.

[Badger]

Retroactively Toni Storm is also recognised as being an official champion.

Could’ve easily just done this with the official title then save a title match for Thunder when or if she comes back. Could’ve saved a whole lot of bother.

[Badger]

Also that Jericho/Ishii match was badass. Jericho’s bleeding chest…ooyah!

Great opening segment too with Regal, Bryan and Mox with the latter quoting Simba/Scar from the Lion King to Regal. Curious if this may lead to a heel turn for Bryan siding with Regal and MJF.

[Murphy]

Regal getting MJFs name wrong. Oh dear. "Mr Freeman" over and over again.

[Murphy]

Oh, and Jericho's chops are shit. Chris Benoit would be spinning in his grave, if he had one and hadn't melted.

[Badger]

Regal getting MJFs name wrong. Oh dear. "Mr Freeman" over and over again.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was by design like he does eg Humanga. Triple Haitch.


Oh, and Jericho's chops are shit. Chris Benoit would be spinning in his grave, if he had one and hadn't melted.

I suspect that might have been design too to add to how brutal Ishii’s chops were. Jericho tried him chop for chop but clearly not working due to his chest bleeding so he resorted to other tactics.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Oh, and Jericho's chops are shit. Chris Benoit would be spinning in his grave, if he had one and hadn't melted.

jericho's had some recent matches where he's really laid his chops in hard. kinda funny he was doing the opposite against a guy who literally busted his chest open.

[Rancid_Planet]

Jericho's chops have always looked weird to me and I think its his stubby arms.

[Nash Diesel]

The heat for Elite during that trios match from the Chicago was nuclear! Vibes of Cena in ECW One Night Stand.

Also they finally binned the interim shit and Hayter’s the proper champion. Thank God for that!

Naw, Cena in ECW was special and everyone there fucking hated him. The other night you still had about 30 neckbeards chanting "Fuck CM Punk" I thought it was going to be nuclear but then I realized it's AEW. If this happened in WWE you'd be hearing CM Punk's name chanted the entire night just to piss off the suits. In AEW, not so much. The loyalty is to Tony Khan in hopes he'll throw them some money or invite one of them in the ring to give the World champion a stunner.

[Mazer]

For a North American major company, was the ONS crowd the hottest of all-time?

And by all-time, I obviously mean since 1980

[Nash Diesel]

For a North American major company, was the ONS crowd the hottest of all-time?

And by all-time, I obviously mean since 1980

Just for clarification in case someone nitpicks we're obviously talking about ONS 2 with Cena v. RVD and not the original. But with that said, I think both shows had the hottest crowd for a ppv I've ever seen. The first time the crowd was all about the chants, even on the pre-show I think they had Coach and they were chanting STFU and the pre-show was on USA or whatever channel they were on at the time.

ONS 2 was the next level. If you hated Cena and couldn't voice your displeasure properly at 19,000 seat venue, this was the place to be lol. That 3-4 minute "segment" of Cena and the fans tossing the shirt back and forth. I don't see how anyone couldn't be a fan of John Cena after this match. I don't think I've ever seen a crowd eat someone alive like that before lol.

[Mazer]

Just for clarification in case someone nitpicks we're obviously talking about ONS 2 with Cena v. RVD and not the original. But with that said, I think both shows had the hottest crowd for a ppv I've ever seen. The first time the crowd was all about the chants, even on the pre-show I think they had Coach and they were chanting STFU and the pre-show was on USA or whatever channel they were on at the time.

ONS 2 was the next level. If you hated Cena and couldn't voice your displeasure properly at 19,000 seat venue, this was the place to be lol. That 3-4 minute "segment" of Cena and the fans tossing the shirt back and forth. I don't see how anyone couldn't be a fan of John Cena after this match. I don't think I've ever seen a crowd eat someone alive like that before lol.

Good clarification. Yes, you read me correctly. ONS 2.


I agree with ONS 2 as next level-although i'm sure there were some small shows I haven't watched where every single person was an adopted family member of every performer, and they literally cut themselves with every bump.


I was thinking only of the shows that were at least somewhat part of the "mainstream" wrestling fan community, and had a crowd that was at least big enough to get past a few hundred people. I couldn't recall one, in that general world, that I would put over ONS 2. The undercard. The fact that it was Cena coming in vs. RVD. The setting. That's just really a tough set of circumstances to replicate.

Although, it would be interesting to also think what was the hottest stadium size crowd as well.

[Nash Diesel]

Good clarification. Yes, you read me correctly. ONS 2.


I agree with ONS 2 as next level-although i'm sure there were some small shows I haven't watched where every single person was an adopted family member of every performer, and they literally cut themselves with every bump.


I was thinking only of the shows that were at least somewhat part of the "mainstream" wrestling fan community, and had a crowd that was at least big enough to get past a few hundred people. I couldn't recall one, in that general world, that I would put over ONS 2. The undercard. The fact that it was Cena coming in vs. RVD. The setting. That's just really a tough set of circumstances to replicate.

Although, it would be interesting to also think what was the hottest stadium size crowd as well.

Yeah like I was thinking ECW itself probably had some really really hot crowds but I never considered them a major promotion like WCW or WWE. ONS 2 just had that feeling like they were legit going to riot if RVD lost lol.

[Mazer]

Yeah like I was thinking ECW itself probably had some really really hot crowds but I never considered them a major promotion like WCW or WWE. ONS 2 just had that feeling like they were legit going to riot if RVD lost lol.

Definitely. Back then I was not watching a lot of PPVs live. Broke and whatnot (thank you WWE network). But that was one where, even going in, you just had the feeling that you wanted to see it as it happened. You really did not know how that crowd was going to play out at that event.

Like I just imagine some poor Cena fan walking in unaware.

[Donald]

It might have been a hot crowd but the only thing I remember from it is RVD vs. John Cena lol. Was that the one where Heyman told JBL the only reason he was champion for a year was because Triple H didn't want to work Tuesdays?

[Mazer]

It might have been a hot crowd but the only thing I remember from it is RVD vs. John Cena lol. Was that the one where Heyman told JBL the only reason he was champion for a year was because Triple H didn't want to work Tuesdays?

was that the year previous?

[Nash Diesel]

It might have been a hot crowd but the only thing I remember from it is RVD vs. John Cena lol. Was that the one where Heyman told JBL the only reason he was champion for a year was because Triple H didn't want to work Tuesdays?

haha no that was the first ONS. That was the peak of roided up dudes in WWE I think Eddie passed that year, Benoit a few years later. You go back and half the WWE guys are either dead or retired.

[Donald]

Do Dark and Elevation have storylines, or is it basically just matches?

[Nash Diesel]

Do Dark and Elevation have storylines, or is it basically just matches?

I'm going to probably be wrong but I'm about 99.9% positive there are no storylines. When you look at the ticker during Rampage/Dynamite, none of the matches make sense. You'll see a match like Eddie Kingston v. Jim Brownstone and then Toni Storm v. Blue Jeans. They're jobber matches. It's like watching Superstars back in 1993.

[mth]

They have had some storylines. I know the Sonny Kiss/Joey Janela tag team split played out entirely on there.

[MTR]

Mostly just matches but there are some stories here and there.

They kept matching Deeb and Martinez together as a tag team on Dark and Dark Elevation and then threw them on Dynamite and Rampage and had Deeb turn on Martinez and challenge her for the ROH title.

Some of the stuff with Sonny Kiss and the Trust Busters was on Dark and what not before Sonny turned heel and joined on Rampage.

I think sometimes there is some short stuff that happens that sets up another match but I would say most of it is just random matches that sometimes use local talent in squash matches.

[Nash Diesel]

Basically the nothing wrestlers like Sonny Kiss and Joey Janella getting some sort of angle to go with the nothing shows they wrestle on, or maybe we make that past tense where the hell is Sonny Kiss? Turned heel, was never seen on the A-B shows since lol.

WE'RE INCLUSIVE! Shout out to Cody Rhodes.

[Donald]

Am I the only one who thinks of Sonny Ono when seeing the name Sonny Kiss.

[Nash Diesel]

Am I the only one who thinks of Sonny Ono when seeing the name Sonny Kiss.

Not anymore because now I will think the same lol.

Sonny Kiss turned heel and Twitter was like, we can't boo this character we'll get cancelled!

I love Sonny Kiss I wish they were part of the show more often. 3 years and we've probably seen Kiss wrestle 10 times if that on either show. Why? Is it like against Khan's religion? They feature The Acclaimed and all that scissor me timbers stuff (fucking awesome) so maybe there's a cap on how much diversity is actually allowed? I wonder if the Young Bucks are trying to use their Christian values to destroy Kiss like they did Kanyon. Weird how shortly after they link up with Kanyon he dies....

[MTR]

Yeah I wish Kiss was part of the show more.

[mth]

When Kiss turned heel by booting Orange in the dick, I thought, "Ooh, nice, we're gonna get Sonny vs. Orange" and then...nope.

[Nash Diesel]

I want Sonny Kiss in NXT.

[mth]

Hell yeah.

[Defrost]

That MJF promo was dog shit

[lotjx]

My fear of MJF being champ and his contract being up is we are going to get him being champ and nothing will matter til 2024. Its the same problem with Roman, we know he is not losing til Mania or maybe until Mania 40, so its just spinning wheels til then.

[Tainted Eclipse]

That MJF promo was dog shit

Totally agree. A rambling mess.

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

Mox Vs Ramp is more interesting that Mox Vs Page.

I have no idea what they are thinking with MJF. I don't know who has control or who has wrote it but it's, as you may say across the pond, a hot mess. It's like they can't decide whether to lean into being a "tweener" or whatever. They made Regal look dumb as fuck which makes me wonder if he is actually going to go back to WWE.

He's had more pseudo turns than Paul White.

[Nash Diesel]

My fear of MJF being champ and his contract being up is we are going to get him being champ and nothing will matter til 2024. Its the same problem with Roman, we know he is not losing til Mania or maybe until Mania 40, so its just spinning wheels til then.

Dude you have the worst takes on wrestling.

MJF, if you're a hardcore fan he's the hottest thing going today not involved with The Bloodline in WWE. MJF is imo the biggest draw in AEW. You can be a top heel and the biggest draw in the company look at Roman Reigns. Sometimes people tune in to see how the villain is going to fall.

MJF is what, 2 weeks into his championship reign and you're already sour about it? Fantasy booking a miserable run in a company I would be shocked you even watch.

[MTR]

I am all about MJF but that promo last night was not good. His reign will be fine. Looking forward to see what they do with it. He is on fire but last night was a bit of a miss for me but that is okay. It will be fine.

[Nash Diesel]

I am all about MJF but that promo last night was not good. His reign will be fine. Looking forward to see what they do with it. He is on fire but last night was a bit of a miss for me but that is okay. It will be fine.

OK. So he's not allowed to have one bad promo out of 100? He had a shit promo running down Brian Pillman JR with all that dead dad talk. His promo last night was better than any other promo last night.

[MTR]

I said it will be fine and I am fan. Yeah one bad promo is fine. Sorry if I was not clear with that.

[Donald]

Dude you have the worst takes on wrestling.

MJF, if you're a hardcore fan he's the hottest thing going today not involved with The Bloodline in WWE. MJF is imo the biggest draw in AEW. You can be a top heel and the biggest draw in the company look at Roman Reigns. Sometimes people tune in to see how the villain is going to fall.

MJF is what, 2 weeks into his championship reign and you're already sour about it? Fantasy booking a miserable run in a company I would be shocked you even watch.

Be careful, he might blow a gasket you responded to him.

[mth]

Interesting to see the negative reaction to MJF's promo here when the Dynamite review I read last night said it was excellent and had nothing but praise for it.

[MTR]

I think I expected the level that normally get from him and I think I want him to not get used to using the bidding war of 2024 as a crutch because right now we have moved on from that bit of the story in my view. It was not a terrible promo but it was not good either in terms of MJF. It was also a bit rambly at times as well. I liked the end where he took out Regal to show him how much of a villain he is.

At the end of the day still a huge fan and he is on fire and I am looking forward to his reign.

[Nash Diesel]

MTR I feel where you're coming from. I probably should've quoted Defrost and Tetris as well as I feel like they're not really fans of the product especially Defrost.

I liked the promo. I don't retain all the promos he's done over the years but I'm positive he's had some duds just like any other top talker. Sometimes I think people like Defrost look for anything to knock down a top American wrestler.


Be careful, he might blow a gasket you responded to him.

He don't want the smoke.

[Donald]

The handful of MJF promos I've seen seem to ramble on and says things just for shock value. Didn't watch last night's yet though.

I hope MJF beats a few challengers, maybe Daniel Bryan, Darby Allin, etc., then have him say he's beaten them all, only for Wardlow to come out. Wardlow should be the one to unseat MJF in my opinion.

[Donald]

Reading reports that William Regal is on his way back to WWE? How is that possible if he signed a 3 year deal, or so I read?

[Nash Diesel]

The handful of MJF promos I've seen seem to ramble on and says things just for shock value. Didn't watch last night's yet though.

I hope MJF beats a few challengers, maybe Daniel Bryan, Darby Allin, etc., then have him say he's beaten them all, only for Wardlow to come out. Wardlow should be the one to unseat MJF in my opinion.

I've always said that MJF is so good he doesn't need the ultra shock and awe approach. That's why I mentioned the Brian Pillman Jr stuff. Take out all the low hanging fruit stuff and it's a good promo. All that shit talking to Pillman's aunt and stuff about his dad.....If that wasn't just a filler feud and Pillman Jr got something out of it I would have probably retracted my negative opinion the same way I did about Christian Cage's stuff toward Jungle Boy. When you're already capable of getting over as a heel, doing the low brow shit just turns me off. No different than Paige bringing up Charlotte's brother Reid or Orton saying Eddie's in hell.