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[Donald]

This online detective links it to Keith Lee.

[Mazer]

I do still debate that Eddie wouldn't be helped by getting bigger though. I get the "every day" guy thing, but it's not as if he's in the ring with the average size person. And it's not as if you don't see some decent size guys in the bar.

And again, he doesn't need to be Wardlow. But putting some size on upperbody would make him look a bit more powerful.


But he's a fine midcard character as is. But it seems like he doesn't want to be midcard (fair enough-good on him). To get to another level, he may need some more plus factors.

[Mazer]

This online detective links it to Keith Lee.

You are not doing great with your 99% right ratio.

[Donald]

You are not doing great with your 99% right ratio.

This is very true.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think Eddie's physique is perfectly fine. He looks like a bruiser who doesn't care about working out, but has a lot of strength and muscle from fighting and manual labor.

That said, if he really did get thin-skinned about jabs at his appearance, that's pretty disappointing. Like I get it, it's shitty for fans to do that. But Guevara is clearly the heel and if he's supposed to lose at the PPV, isn't that...exactly the situation you want when someone makes jabs like that? For the person saying sideways shit to get his comeuppance? Not sure how it ruins heat for the match either. And since it wasn't at all addressed on TV like the Punk/Mox and MJF stuff was, I don't see it being for the sake of working the sheets. Especially when it makes Eddie look like a chump.

Still love the guy as a performer and hope he doesn't have other unjustified outbursts if this all went down as said, but it's definitely a grimace moment.

[McBain]

Agreed. It makes him look insecure as fuck. The total opposite of his gimmick.

[Nash Diesel]

Kingston has talked about wanting to get in shape. He knows he's on tv in a good spot and if you want to be a top guy you gotta look a certain way. There are obvious exceptions to the rule but we can't just go "Look at Dusty Rhodes!" Yeah look at him he looks like a bad motherfucker that probably played ball and fucked people up on the field.

Does this situation stand out more because of how Kingston portrays himself?

Now I'm seeing Kingston is going to rematch Ishii. I hope Kingston is ready for his medicine.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Honestly I was a fan of Disco as a kid. Was obnoxious but had catchy entrance music lol. And I actually loved his gimmick of trying to get into the wolfpack. Hell, I even liked some of his early TNA work.


Kingston has talked about wanting to get in shape. He knows he's on tv in a good spot and if you want to be a top guy you gotta look a certain way. There are obvious exceptions to the rule but we can't just go "Look at Dusty Rhodes!" Yeah look at him he looks like a bad motherfucker that probably played ball and fucked people up on the field.

Does this situation stand out more because of how Kingston portrays himself?

Now I'm seeing Kingston is going to rematch Ishii. I hope Kingston is ready for his medicine.

I think so. Most wrestlers are supposed to be tough, but Eddie"s the dude that's supposed to be "real" so for him to get upset over something pretty insignificant kind of kills the mystique even if you're in on it.

But dude struggles with mental health, so who knows, maybe he was just having a rough mental day and that was just the straw that broke the camel's back?

[Nash Diesel]

Honestly I was a fan of Disco as a kid. Was obnoxious but had catchy entrance music lol. And I actually loved his gimmick of trying to get into the wolfpack. Hell, I even liked some of his early TNA work.



I think so. Most wrestlers are supposed to be tough, but Eddie"s the dude that's supposed to be "real" so for him to get upset over something pretty insignificant kind of kills the mystique even if you're in on it.

But dude struggles with mental health, so who knows, maybe he was just having a rough mental day and that was just the straw that broke the camel's back?

Disco was good to have in the midcard. I wasn't a fan of him in the Wolfpac or as "DISQO" with the Filthy Animals. I felt like by that time he should've gone by his real name. But then he reunited with Alex Wright and that was another example of WCW having a solid grasp on tag wrestling. I mean I get that it's easy to shit on Disco but he wasn't exactly wrong with what he said about Eddie.

With Eddie it's simple. He has a reputation in every company. There's a reason the guy was practically homeless prior to that Cody match. Don't get it twisted I'm a fan and I think the guy is a solid midcard talent. I have no desire to see him as champion or main eventing anything but that doesn't mean he can't work with talent that he can make look good in a promo.

I also think we have to be careful with the mental health stuff. Not directed toward you at all when I say this but I just think that some people fuck up and go "ah it's my mental health" Well we all struggle with shit, we all have bad days...I just think this whole situation, for a guy who brags about how real he is, seems petty to get bent over this. And for him to say he was getting buried when he was going to fucking win is just comical.

[Mazer]

That’s a nice looking jacket Mox is wearing tonight

[BGMaverick]

Good promos from the key players for the championship program.

Each of the sequences between Omega and Ospreay were electric.

[VHS]

W looked good tonight. This is another fresh start for him, probably his last chance. Hope he does well.

[Morrison]

what about this says 'last chance' for him?

[Donald]

Pro wrestling is the land of unlimited chances.

[Nash Diesel]

What a pointless match last week was lol. If Mox loses, what was the point of unifying the titles?? I'm sorry but nobody wants the WWE summer of Punk revisited where the WWE title flip flopped 4 times in a week.

[MTR]

I enjoyed the promos last night but I am still kind of meh on that squash last week.

[Tainted Eclipse]

This is a pretty cold ppv for me. Looking forward to jungle boy/Christian and ricky/Hobbs though

[Nash Diesel]

Thankfully the card looks solid because there's no fuckin way I would believe anyone was thinking "Yeah I was on the fence but now that we're getting Punk/Mox II I'm all in!"

[Donald]

I was on the fence, but now that we're getting Punk/Mox II I'm gonna get impaled buy one of these fence spikes.

[Nash Diesel]

What's more offensive? Miro's gimmick or Sammy calling Kingston fat?

[Donald]

I don't know, i don't get offended.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW should partner up with Party Pizza and get some AEW talent on the packages.

[Tim]

AEW should partner up with Party Pizza and get some AEW talent on the packages.

Kingston can be the spokesperson, he’s the face that eats the place. Use code ImNotFat for 50 percent off your first order.

[Donald]

Only time I've seen Eddie Kingston was on an Evolve event that aired on WWE Network and I don't remember him being fat.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

So Eddie Kingston is a Karen.

And a fat one at that.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I get why they're dying Elite w/ Kenny vs Dark Order w/ Hangman, but I really feel like House of Black or Death Triangle should be in the finals.

[VHS]

Kip vs. Pac was boring as fuck.

[BGMaverick]

Kip vs. Pac was boring as fuck.

The match was fine but seemed like a flat payoff to seeing Sabian come back.

[VHS]

Jesus Christ who the hell is yelling so much?

[VHS]

WTF how is that not a DQ?

[Tainted Eclipse]

they should've called on audible on the acclaimed there.

[Morrison]

The match was fine but seemed like a flat payoff to seeing Sabian come back.

it was a character match for sabian. he hung with pac, and then the end they established what they're gonna do with the gimmick by him addressing the box and laughing while getting beat down.

[Morrison]

they should've called on audible on the acclaimed there.

abso-fucking-lutely. that match was awesome.

[Tyson]

A Trios championship? :wtf::wtf:

[Morrison]

A Trios championship? :wtf::wtf:

what aren't you understanding?

[Tyson]

what aren't you understanding?

Was it really necessary? They already have a tag title…

[Morrison]

Was it really necessary? They already have a tag title…

there's already a world champion, why have any secondary singles titles?

oh cause that's a stupid question. trios matches and factions have been focused part of AEW since they started. trios matches are a different dynamic than two vs two tags. this whole tournament has shown why they're worth having as titles.

[Defrost]

Main event was great. Tag titles was really great. Jericho vs Danielson was like the best **** match you could have. The Christian thing was fun. The rest I could have done without.

[BGMaverick]

This had good matches but it felt underwhelming to me overall. Felt like they had to rush through two notable feuds for whatever reasons (Starks/Hobbs, Jungle Boy/Christian). The post match stuff for the six-man tag with FTR and Wardlow was much more interesting than the match itself. That feels like the gift and curse of healthy cards. You can get wonky with the timing and then people rightfully get butthurt when things probably didn't get the time or attention it probably deserved and probably would've gotten that as a Dynamite main event or on a shorter card. They really should've pulled an audible on the tag title match because the crowd was ready to put The Acclaimed over. That said, it was a really good match and everyone played their roles well. It wasn't a bad card by any stretch but the timing felt wonky and there felt like more filler than usual.


it was a character match for sabian. he hung with pac, and then the end they established what they're gonna do with the gimmick by him addressing the box and laughing while getting beat down.

Yeah, but this has been a thing for weeks/months and it culminated in this phase on the preshow and just felt there, and immediately became an afterthought as everyone moved on. He's gotta show himself to the audience, yes, but I'm not sure it's going to work for him. If Sabian is really able to develop it into something of rather notable substance on a stacked roster, good for him. I'm not counting on it though.

[BGMaverick]

Holy hell, Punk just went to town on the EVPs in his presser. That was a massive mess and probably will be the bigger takeaway than the card itself. More turmoil and drama.

[Defrost]

This press conference has been way better than the PPV. Toni Storm stopping short of confirming all of the shit you've been hearing about Thunder Rose lately.

[Mazer]

That's going to go well for everybody.

[Defrost]

​I mean the WWF, WCW, and ECW locker rooms were shitshows back in the day. Not to mention the territories. Now that the God Emperor is gone things seem to be getting back to normal.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Main event was great. Tag titles was really great. Jericho vs Danielson was like the best **** match you could have. The Christian thing was fun. The rest I could have done without.

This though I'd include the MJF/Stokeley stuff and I liked Jade/Athena despite it's sloppiness. Trios match was solid too.

Other than the 4-way, the rest probably would have been better served on a Dynamite.

[Tainted Eclipse]

just starting to watch the media scrum and holy shit it's better than the PPV. punk is going nuts right out of the gate.

[Mazer]

​I mean the WWF, WCW, and ECW locker rooms were shitshows back in the day. Not to mention the territories. Now that the God Emperor is gone things seem to be getting back to normal.

Bit of a different world now with press conferences, social media, etc.

And notice back in the day that stuff didn't sometimes have significant consequences.

And now those things are a part of how the audience reacts. Not sure Punk is going to be a guy who responds well to that

[Donald]

Press conferences are dumb.

[Badger]

Khan continuing to be an absolute melt about WWE never ceases to amuse and entertain me.

[Badger]

I knew it was unlikely to begin with but really wanted the Acclaimed to do it and had me going. That was an excellent match. Slightly strained my already strained voice at the TV when it looked likely a couple of times.

I hope they get their long overdue reign. Love those guys.

[Tim]

Between Kingston, Jericho, MJF, Punk and Khan they should be called All Elite Bitching…

[MTR]

Okay. I was not going to watch this media scrum but thinking I will now....

[McBain]

Absolute car crash. Hard to see this as anything other than realising that Punk has been the issue the whole time. Regardless of whether the Bucks are dicks or not (probably are too), it was massively unprofessional and made Khan look like a total goober.

[Badger]

Absolute car crash. Hard to see this as anything other than realising that Punk has been the issue the whole time. Regardless of whether the Bucks are dicks or not (probably are too), it was massively unprofessional and made Khan look like a total goober.

Always thought Punk was a bit of an arse and this just amplified my thought.

[Fanny Batter]

Punk playing the hard case when he trained for 3-4 years for his second UFC fight and he couldn't punch snow off a leaf is fantastic.

[Badger]

#Pipedudbomb

[Donald]

Night and day between the wwe and aew press conferences

[Donald]

Reading Allister black might be done with aew

[VHS]

Was just about to post about that, bro. Looks like it may be the case. Friend backstage said he was emotional after his match and then all hugs in the back.

Fuck, if he is leaving... that's a major major drop of the ball by AEW. Black was beyond screwed over in WWE, but he had all the momentum in the world once he jonied up w/ AEW. Now? The allure and aura around him is way gone. I say he should go back to WWE and start all freaking over. Now that Vince is gone, it should be all good.

[McBain]

Rumours that it's a break due to mental health reasons though. Time will tell.

[Badger]

Yeah while AEW’s booking of him hasn’t been great, we should probably wait for more details if he chooses to share.

Just hope the guy will be okay first and foremost.

[NeseToTheFace]

Feels like most of the talk from AEW is about stuff that happened out of the ring rather than the show last night. That's a shame that it's got the feel of a circus brought in pretty hard after last night.

[Badger]

Feels like most of the talk from AEW is about stuff that happened out of the ring rather than the show last night. That's a shame that it's got the feel of a circus brought in pretty hard after last night.

They do that to themselves by and large though

[VHS]

Yeah while AEW’s booking of him hasn’t been great, we should probably wait for more details if he chooses to share.

Just hope the guy will be okay first and foremost.

^

[Badger]

While they are definitely things I do enjoy about the product which is why I still watch, they do struggle with the “Less is more” concept and try too hard to go all out (pun sorta intended).

Out the ring, Khan and co dig their own grave a lot.

[Donald]

Khan complaining about wwe holding events over the weekend is laughable, since clash at the castle was announced 2 full months before all out

[NeseToTheFace]

As a wrestling fan I would've seen it as an awesome opportunity. Sit at home and watch all three shows. I don't think NXT was still rolling when AEW's show began last night?

[Badger]

Worlds Collide started earlier. 4PM EST and only went a little over 2 hours.

It was a fantastic wrestling weekend for fans, one of the best ever. Lots to watch and at different times too so not in direct competition. If Khan had self-awareness and weren’t so bloody insecure he would’ve seen it that way too but alas no.

[BGMaverick]

Khan complaining about wwe holding events over the weekend is laughable, since clash at the castle was announced 2 full months before all out

Your point at the end is semi-irrelevant as it's also been established All Out is during Labor Day weekend, as it has been that way for now three years.

[Badger]

Tony: “ “When I compared myself to Jim Crockett Promotions this weekend I think I got a little taste of what Jim Crockett felt but I have a lot more f******g money than Jim Crockett did and I’m serious, I’m not going to sit back and take this s**t. ”

Jesus wept.

[Zacharie]

Tony should just throw money at everyone until they get along, and then turn this into a work. That's what I would do, if I had money.

[Badger]

Should give him the Broke/Happy Corbin gimmick and arc. He loses all his money and tries to gain sympathy but to no avail. Gets lucky on the slots and become unbearably happy again. Starts a fight with a colour commentator equivalent of Pat McAfee we’ll say Regal who punches him in the face to bring him back down to Earth then he goes on a losing streak again.

[Defrost]

Also I've been thinking about it. If I'm Adam Page, the World Champion of the promotion, and I've wrestled all over the world and then this guy comes in out of the cold acting like I'm a young boy that needs to be riveted to his every word I'd tell him to fuck off too.

[Badger]

Also I've been thinking about it. If I'm Adam Page, the World Champion of the promotion, and I've wrestled all over the world and then this guy comes in out of the cold acting like I'm a young boy that needs to be riveted to his every word I'd tell him to fuck off too.

CurryManPunkshit is what Page should say.

[Morrison]

Also I've been thinking about it. If I'm Adam Page, the World Champion of the promotion, and I've wrestled all over the world and then this guy comes in out of the cold acting like I'm a young boy that needs to be riveted to his every word I'd tell him to fuck off too.

punk saying 'these kids that have never done anything in the business' when they literally were the catalyst that produced the most viable mainstream national wrestling promotion in the states in almost 20 years is so fucking insanely stupid that it feels like it has to be scripted.

[NeseToTheFace]

Your point at the end is semi-irrelevant as it's also been established All Out is during Labor Day weekend, as it has been that way for now three years.

First two on Saturdays, last two on a Sunday. Not really a consistent pattern to say they've established themselves making a Sunday Labor Day weekend show for the US off limits to anybody else. But when I think of AEW shows I'm mostly used to them having it on a Saturday night.

[Peter Griffin]

Triple H be right, Punk ain't worth this shite man

[Badger]

punk saying 'these kids that have never done anything in the business' when they literally were the catalyst that produced the most viable mainstream national wrestling promotion in the states in almost 20 years is so fucking insanely stupid that it feels like it has to be scripted.

Here’s the thing. Even if hypothetically the whole thing was scripted, still stupid and smacks of AEW trying too hard for reaction.

[Donald]

Your point at the end is semi-irrelevant as it's also been established All Out is during Labor Day weekend, as it has been that way for now three years.

Tony's reaction was kind of out there though. If you're that bothered by other shows, then put the best show on possible and show why your show is the one to be watching.

Has Vince, Triple H, Eric Bischoff, Dixie Carter, etc. ever gone on a profanity filled tirade because another company aired a show on the same weekend?

[BGMaverick]

Tony's reaction was kind of out there though.

He's kind of out there in general, so that passes the smell test.

[Defrost]

punk saying 'these kids that have never done anything in the business' when they literally were the catalyst that produced the most viable mainstream national wrestling promotion in the states in almost 20 years is so fucking insanely stupid that it feels like it has to be scripted.

He's Fed pilled. Even in that podcast with Colt he hated Hunter way more than he hated Vince. I mean he obviously wanted back in with them why else was he doing that down Smackdown talk show? He's a guy who thinks if you didn't do it in WWE you haven't done anything.

[Defrost]

Here’s the thing. Even if hypothetically the whole thing was scripted, still stupid and smacks of AEW trying too hard for reaction.

Ace Steel biting Kenny Omega is too fucking stupid to be scripted. No one would come up with that on their own.

[Badger]

Ace Steel biting Kenny Omega is too fucking stupid to be scripted. No one would come up with that on their own.

I only watched the Punk and Khan bits of the scrum tbh.

That is fucking hysterical! :rofl:

[Defrost]

I only watched the Punk and Khan bits of the scrum tbh.

That is fucking hysterical! :rofl:

The report is that after Punk left the scrum there was a fight between him and Ace against the Bucks and Kenny. All versions of it have Punk starting the physical part of the fight. Nick Jackson was either knocked out by a thrown chair or Punk sucker punched him, and somewhere in there Ace Steel bit Kenny Omega.

[Badger]

The report is that after Punk left the scrum there was a fight between him and Ace against the Bucks and Kenny. All versions of it have Punk starting the physical part of the fight. Nick Jackson was either knocked out by a thrown chair or Punk sucker punched him, and somewhere in there Ace Steel bit Kenny Omega.

What a mess!

But if true, yeah Punk asswipe for starting it.

[Badger]

Also why did Punk bring about 20 cans including some of those in a bag with him? Yes by all means nourishment after the show is required but seems a lot! I’d be bursting for a pish during the conference at least after the first few lol.

[Nash Diesel]

Morrison going strong with the apologist role here now that Bert is gone.

I heard the ppv was actually pretty good.

[BGMaverick]

He's Fed pilled. Even in that podcast with Colt he hated Hunter way more than he hated Vince. I mean he obviously wanted back in with them why else was he doing that down Smackdown talk show? He's a guy who thinks if you didn't do it in WWE you haven't done anything.

The premise was that Fox wanted him, not WWE.
Per reports, I think he was willing to listen if WWE wanted to make a serious offer but he felt like there was never a serious offer made.

[Nash Diesel]

See, this is what happens when backyard wrestlers start shooting on each other. Do you ever notice you never, ever hear this kind of bullshit from properly trained wrestlers in AEW? Do you ever hear about Dustin Rhodes getting into it with anyone? How about Jericho? How about Danielson? Shit how about Adam fuckin Cole Bay Bay?? Nope. It's all these self-trained backyard dorks.

And it pains me to say that as CM Punk is no doubt one of my favorite wrestlers of the last 20 years, easily. I just try not to let his poser punk Rancid fragile toxic masculinity approach to life affect my opinion of the character. I pretty lost all personal respect (like he cares) toward him when he backfisted a fan (the wrong one). But again, this is all a bunch of wannabe tough guys trying to shoot on each other and go into business for themselves because who's telling them no? The money mark that is 38 years old with no social skills who only has friends because his parents put a McDonald's in his house?

[Vandal]

I cannot wait for Cornette to comment on this. :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

So Vince Russo is really helping AEW isn't he? This shit has his WCW stench all over it.

I do hope that backstage fight was real. A bunch of wannabe tough guys. And remember when Punk said the only people that could bring him back to wrestling was the Young Bucks?? This is what happens when the highlight of your show is watching 2 dudes scissor Billy Gunn.

[Nash Diesel]

I cannot wait for Cornette to comment on this. :lol:

Cornette would've beat the fuck out of them all.

How embarrassed is AJ Lee or is she just that big of a mark herself she just rolls with it? I mean she has to be cool with it she's been putting up with him forever. She waited until he was done banging the 13th diva before he found someone who will settle for his ways lol.

[Badger]

#planeridepressconffromhell

Wonder who spun their dick like a helicopter at a female bouncer? Probably Punk.

[Donald]

#planeridepressconffromhell

Wonder who spun their dick like a helicopter at a female bouncer? Probably Punk.

If she had a magnifying glass.

[Badger]

If she had a magnifying glass.

The amount of Divas he’s gone through, maybe they all had magnifying glasses.

[VHS]

Cornette would've beat the fuck out of them all.

How embarrassed is AJ Lee or is she just that big of a mark herself she just rolls with it? I mean she has to be cool with it she's been putting up with him forever. She waited until he was done banging the 13th diva before he found someone who will settle for his ways lol.

AJ Lee instigated the whole thing. That fucking bitch.

[Donald]

The amount of Divas he’s gone through, maybe they all had magnifying glasses.

Yes they had low standards I think

[Nash Diesel]

AJ Lee instigated the whole thing. That fucking bitch.

Doubtful.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW elitists wish all of this stuff was a giant work because they can't fathom the possibility that maybe, just maybe not everyone gets along and not everything is great in AEW.

Khan is probably going to be in rehab by year's end or in a coma. The guy can't handle the pressure. They keep acting like the WWE are this big bad boogeyman but they need to worry about what's going on inhouse. The truth is, AEW came to the wrestling world with the intent on taking away a % of the market from WWE. Jericho's big mouth leading the charge. So I have no real negative vibes toward WWE if they're booking shows the same weekend as AEW, and vice versa. Khan and co's reaction to these things just show how entitled the rich can be.

[Donald]

If it is a work, I feel like AEW over does blurring the lines.

[Fanny Batter]

He substantially overrates his contribution to the business too. Ryback getting hot did better PPV than after the Pipebomb. Summerslam 2011 bombed. He's a very good professional wrestler and is over in wrestling circles, but this idea that he's some transcendent figure is asinine. His UFC debut did well but so did James Toney's and he wasn't a draw in boxing either. Curiosity factor. Such a weird guy.

[Murphy]

If this is a work, it stinks of WCWs dying days.

So I hope it's not then, I guess.

PPV was pretty good though. Trios final, tag title match and Bryan and Jericho in particular. Nothing was bad though. Glad to see MJF back.

And the main event may have been super, but I was beyond sleepy, so may need to go back and re-watch.

[Defrost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzQP7u-IOxg

[Donald]

Tony should of had CM Punk's microphone cut off the second he said something stupid.

[Jenova]

Tony could but he can't because he's Punk's bitch.

All the guy could do was nod and act surprised.

[Donald]

Tony should have cut off Tony's microphone the second he said something stupid.

[Badger]

Bobby Fish challenges Punk to a fight:

https://wrestlingnews.co/aew-news/bobby-fish-challenges-cm-punk-to-a-fight-yeah-lets-make-this-sh-t-official-phil-phil-lets-fu-ing-go?fbclid=IwAR0Tn52sIy3szlEgh2yWn3vznPu2yAmtR8bJcv f1znSmyIwLfR_6XUFiD-w

I’ll stick a few quid on Bobby!

[Donald]

Even I could beat cm punk in a fight and I'm a lover, not a fighter

[VHS]

I hope AEW does these scrums like this from now on. I don’t know if they’ve always done them… but man the back and forths have been hilarious.

[virms]

So few reports coming out which says Punk may have injured himself again. Torn bicep. Which that might not matter anyways because if Ace does get fired for being bitey and throwing a chair into Matt's eye then most are believing Punk will walk anyways.

Punk can then ride off into the sunset and just start a podcast where he moans about being screwed over time and time again.

[Nash Diesel]

So few reports coming out which says Punk may have injured himself again. Torn bicep. Which that might not matter anyways because if Ace does get fired for being bitey and throwing a chair into Matt's eye then most are believing Punk will walk anyways.

Punk can then ride off into the sunset and just start a podcast where he moans about being screwed over time and time again.

That's what he should've done instead of coming back to wrestling. But from what I understand he wasn't exactly in the greatest situation financially. He probably wasn't making much off of wrestling while he was out and the acting stuff didn't exactly pay out the ass. The UFC fights banked him a million though so who knows. AJ Lee probably not making a lot of money off her book.

If he tore his bicep and he's still around damn that's a bad injury. You can't just come back in a few weeks. Again, would love to have been a fly on the wall when they thought it was a great idea to unify the belts 2 weeks before a ppv. Mox drops it, now Punk is more than likely vacating it if the injury is true. Russo booking 101.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Pending further revelations I think I’m Team Punk in this

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

If it's a work then all they've done is overshadow MJF and anything good about All Out / AEW generally (p.s. that opening ladder match finish was terrible and I'll bite anyone who says otherwise)

Assuming it's real if Tony doesn't fire Punk, he's a moron. No man should be bigger than the company, even if he holds the belt. Though it smacks of the whole "leaving with the title" angle they did in WWE, I don't think it's a work. Like I say if it is, then fine - I bought it - but like others in this thread have commented... all people are talking about is the shit show. It doesn't elevate the company in the slightest.

There's no "gotcha!" in this... they all look like fucking idiots.

[Nash Diesel]

It's not a work. What would it be setting up? The Elite just won the trios titles. I can't imagine the plan is now Omega v. Punk. Again, too many fans of AEW want everything negative to be a work. It's not.

[Nash Diesel]

Pending further revelations I think I’m Team Punk in this

Not shocked in the slightest. The only information we have is the complete unprofessionalism that Punk has displayed. Beyond that what is there to side with him over? That he's old? Sure I agree. That his body was barely holding on in ROH, he was worse in WWE, and now he can't even bitch backstage without tearing something.

I will say this in response to what Fanny Batter said. If Punk wasn't a draw, if he was believing his own hype, why did the WWE cater to him? If he wasn't a draw, Vince wouldn't have bent over backwards for him.

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

It's not a work. What would it be setting up? The Elite just won the trios titles. I can't imagine the plan is now Omega v. Punk. Again, too many fans of AEW want everything negative to be a work. It's not.

It's not so much setting up stuff, it's more of the idea that no publicity is bad publicity.

You can imagine Tony panicking with Vince going and Trips getting eyes on WWE again... Does controversy create cash?

Plus you know there's a subset of the internet marks who absolutely die for this sort of stuff.

[virms]

Pending further revelations I think I’m Team Punk in this

I'd say both parties are likely at fault to various degrees due to egos. I mean Punk did get what he wanted as he said if you got a problem with me come to me. They came and it got violent.

Reby Hardy did blast CM punk pretty good though

https://twitter.com/WrestlingNewsCo/status/1566941046768009216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566941046768009216%7Ctwgr% 5E1c0a24531dcf5a17a8108d473bde972d7337e5fd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-41120868623247991832.ampproject.net%2F220817210100 0%2Fframe.html

[chatty]

Fuck it, backstage brawling helped make the best two eras of wrestling so I'm all for it.

[chatty]

See, this is what happens when backyard wrestlers start shooting on each other. Do you ever notice you never, ever hear this kind of bullshit from properly trained wrestlers in AEW? Do you ever hear about Dustin Rhodes getting into it with anyone? How about Jericho? How about Danielson? Shit how about Adam fuckin Cole Bay Bay?? Nope. It's all these self-trained backyard dorks.

And it pains me to say that as CM Punk is no doubt one of my favorite wrestlers of the last 20 years, easily. I just try not to let his poser punk Rancid fragile toxic masculinity approach to life affect my opinion of the character. I pretty lost all personal respect (like he cares) toward him when he backfisted a fan (the wrong one). But again, this is all a bunch of wannabe tough guys trying to shoot on each other and go into business for themselves because who's telling them no? The money mark that is 38 years old with no social skills who only has friends because his parents put a McDonald's in his house?

Well Goldust has had his moments in WWE. Jericho v Goldberg/Sin Cara/Lesnar, Danielson seems to be too well liked and Adam Cole would probably snap one of his arms trying to throw a punch ��

[Badger]

It's not so much setting up stuff, it's more of the idea that no publicity is bad publicity.

You can imagine Tony panicking with Vince going and Trips getting eyes on WWE again... Does controversy create cash?

Plus you know there's a subset of the internet marks who absolutely die for this sort of stuff.

This (if it’s a work).

[Nash Diesel]

It's not so much setting up stuff, it's more of the idea that no publicity is bad publicity.

You can imagine Tony panicking with Vince going and Trips getting eyes on WWE again... Does controversy create cash?

Plus you know there's a subset of the internet marks who absolutely die for this sort of stuff.

I could MAYBE understand what you're saying if there was zero buzz about AEW. They're catering to an audience that is already there and isn't going away judging by the ratings being essentially locked in that 8-900,000 range. 99% of AEW fans are that subset of internet marks that's why so many keep thinking "This could be a work!" No, it's not. You don't do this kind of shit to create a buzz.


Well Goldust has had his moments in WWE. Jericho v Goldberg/Sin Cara/Lesnar, Danielson seems to be too well liked and Adam Cole would probably snap one of his arms trying to throw a punch ��

Goldust had moments in WWE but not in AEW and those WWE moments were about 20 years ago right? Honestly what does my post have to do with WWE?

[Nash Diesel]

Fuck it, backstage brawling helped make the best two eras of wrestling so I'm all for it.

Did it?

[Donald]

Did it?

Hogan and savage? Maybe Bret and Shawn?

[Nash Diesel]

Hogan and savage? Maybe Bret and Shawn?

Do people think Hogan and Savage really got into a fight live on SNME after the Twin Towers match???? The only other time I heard they got into it was prior to WM 9 and sadly I can't say that was a great period in wrestling.

Fights have happened backstage forever, nothing new. I just think that it says a lot when you have a guy who has had mostly negatives said about him regardless of the company he was in.

[Defrost]

So going by the Meltzers and Sapps vague statements in the last few minutes plus some stuff I'm seeing on some discords I'm on looking like CM Punk has been fired.

[Badger]

If that is true…serves him right.

Seeya!

[NeseToTheFace]

Would be hilarious if true. Or is it storyline fired, have another interim champion, have Punk show up 6-8 months from now and end the show with a titleholder staredown? Like we haven't seen that a thousand times.

[Defrost]

Well also part of the story is either in the match or in the fight Punk tore his peck so was going to be gone a long time anyway.

[Nash Diesel]

If CM Punk is fired A-props to Tony Khan that is a ballsy fucking thing to do and B-I can't say I'm not surprised. With that said....it's the sheets. I do feel like a jackass after Triple H confirmed that there was a situation with Lesnar prior to Smackdown before Summerslam but that doesn't make this any less questionable. I mean, if this was the top draw in WWE regardless of their heat, would Vince fire them? Doubtful. He didn't fire Shawn or Bret and maybe that was due to the MNW and Austin being injured but still....Very interesting.

[Donald]

Would be the most shocking firing since braun

[Dreyski]

If Punk does go... well, that totally blows the MJF return. That was literally the entire point of him coming back.

[virms]

I guess it really depends on what these legal actions boil down to. First assumption would be something filed against Ace for attacking with a weapon. Even biting carries more of a charge vs. just plain fighting. We will find out in due time but since AEW isn't a publicly traded company they could get away with sweeping certain things under the rug to a degree if all parties involve can hash it out. However, Tony has already set precedent with the stuff that happened with Kingston so you would have to assume his hands are a bit tied on handing out some sort of punishment. If not, you are definitely going to have a divided roster and even more drama. You know Kingston definitely won't shut up if Punk gets off Scott free.

[Mazer]

Agreed. Tony has to act.

Even before the fight, I'm not sure how anyone backs Punk up here.

Hangman's statement about advice was completely non-offensive.

Punk said he wanted to say nothing about Colt Cabana. And then talked about not liking him. Talked about his bank account and mom (side note: it's absolutely shocking that Cabana wanted to settle after Punk threatened to depose his mom-as always CM Punk is morally justified). Talked about how he (Punk) made Colt money. You know who hasn't even been accused of making public statements on this? Colt Cabana.

Punk talks about wanting to do a million buys at the ppv on his back, and so it was bad that Hangman threw shade at him as the top face (nm Hangman is also a face). He then talked about stooping to hangman's level. Even though Hangman said something directly to Punk, and Punk did something when he knew Page couldn't respond.

For someone who was mad about being trashed publicly as it was "bad for business", he ripped into the Page, the Bucks, and Omega on a personal level. I guess it's good for business then, but bad when it's against Punk.

He's the same guy who credited himself for building ROH, but doesn't believe any of the above have ever done any business. Despite the original All-in being he most successful Indy venture ever, and directly helping give Tony an avenue to pump his money into build the wrestling company that would later employ CM Punk.


All that showed what a shrewd businessman and true professional he is.


And then he sat there and kissed Tony's ass, because its not Tony's job to set the record straight. He's only the fucking owner, who has all his titles and contributions extolled to high heavens every show. But kiss up to the man that signs your check. That's fucking punk rock right there.


Same guy who trashed The Rock all over interviews, because he didn't once say Hi to him in a hallway. Couldn't handle when Michelle Beadle kept coming backstage, etc.


Guy was my favorite wrestler for a while. Still cuts a mean promo. But he's average in the ring now, and is a poor man's MJF. He's not worth weakening AEW to keep employed. I doubt that he'll be able to handle the fans shitting on him .

Never thought I'd get here with him, but I kinda hope they just cut him lose.

[Badger]

You must spread reputation before giving it to Mazer again.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I liked Punk's work in AEW once he got warmed up. Especially the MJF feud and on. But yeah, what he did in the scrum and how he's reacted to Hangman just shows he's as unprofessional and hypocritical as everyone's critiqued him for. Which, like, we knew that, but I know at least some of us were hopeful he actually changed. Cut him loose and set an example and get your locker room back in order. It might hurt at first but they still have a strong roster to build off without Punk.

In the very unlikely world this is a work, it serves absolutely nothing. MJF overshadowed, and if the point is to make people actually hate Punk so he can turn heel, then it just makes AEW look sloppier than people already feel it is, and I think that turns people off more than making them want to tune in.

Honestly, for AEW's sake, I hope it's not a work, because I think that's some bad will towards the fans they will have to fight really hard to come back from. If it's Punk and/or The Elite being shitty, at least you can chalk it up to one or two parties, punish them, and wipe your hands clean.

[Nash Diesel]

Mazer with the pipe bomb.

Izzy the Bayley fan was there too probably shit herself lol.

I just didn't get why Punk felt that was the platform to vent his frustrations with life. I still laugh about how the guy can dish it but can't take it in AEW. Imagine if he tried that shit on Triple H, Cena, The Rock, all those guys who shot on him on Raw, ppvs, etc Would he have the nuts to sit next to Vince McMahon and say that shit out in public?

Of course not. That's why he went on his homeboy's podcast and made an ass of himself. And Colt went down with him for simply giving dude the platform-which in hindsight I bet Scotty Goldman wished he hadn't but you know, that's what he gets for being the only person other than AJ Lee to want to put up with his shit. I think the podcast and the TSN interview where he tried to big time Michael Landsberg who's a fuckin dork anyway, I think people were starting to truly see where CM Punk's head is at. Money, bitches, and bitching.

Punk is just a poser. He left the WWE and started wearing suits and combing his hair, talking like he was the next big thing in the UFC. Doesn't shake Mickey Gall's hand and gets fuckin toasted. Ugh it pains me to shit on him.

[Nash Diesel]

Here's how you can tell the difference between AEW and WWE.

Matt Riddle and Seth Rollins. They had some beef, legit beef. Riddle would EASILY fuck up Seth so maybe that's why Seth never truly stepped up but they're professionals. They have respect for their company, their peers.

CM Punk, some others like Eddie Kingston, not so much. This is all over stupid baby shit. Fragile egos in a self-diagnosing society.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Imagine if Tony Khan is such an unrepentant WCW mark, that he decides to emulate the Hogan/Vince Russo "worked shoot turns into a real shoot, brother!" bullshit from Bash At The Beach 2000. But with himself and CM Punk.

"Mark my Goddamn words, you'll never see that Straight Edge, self-aggrandizing, overrated piece of shit in this company again!"

But with more stuttering, stammering, and "umms" and "uhhhs".

[Mazer]

I'm just glad that Bert didn't have to go through this.

Having to defend everyone involved would have broken his heart.

[Vandal]

https://youtu.be/nUyxpLI5Ov4

Lol I love it. The lollipop gang is big mad that mean ol punk is calling them out on their shit.

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[Vandal]

https://youtu.be/FDA2rSJ5j7A

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[Motherboy]

Ace Steele became an onscreen character a week ago and is now involved in a major storyline, largely because Punk needed a crony for it. But sure, it's a shoot.

[McBain]

Well, we'll have a clearer idea soon. Rumours that Punk and Steel may be gone, which would be quite the ballsy move. If the Bucks did kick the door down though it paints a somewhat different picture - more suitable for mediation than coming down hard on one side.

[chatty]

Did it?

Sure did, backstage turmoil with the likes of Hogan, Piper, Savage etc was full on used to push their angles to another level which whilst people weren't as privy to the backstage stuff then helped the intensity in the 80s.

Bret v Shawn unfolding was the first steps into the Attitude Era, made Vince the heel he needed to be and through the mess off their backstage fighting led to Austin, HHH coming through.

Guess the problem here is that I can't see Punk biting down and working with the Elite to actually make all this turn into money but if they could get professional then it could be a huge draw if AEW turned it into an angle.

[Romford Pele]

Lol its so clearly a work.

[Badger]

Lol its so clearly a work.

Anything more to add on why you think it’s so clearly a work?

[chatty]

Sounds like the Elite lads are arseholes more to me and try and run over the dressing room and this time they came up against someone who has a history for throwing his toys out the pram and wouldn't put up with their shit.

Obviously had issues with Cody who handles things more professionally but ultimately sent one of their best talents to the competition to thrive.

Khan has a lot of problems to deal with then if they have problems with others too like Kingston and Sammy and Britt and Rosa. Needs to crack down on it all and dish some suspensions out and let them know matterless of who you are, you can't act like a nob in the workplace.

[Romford Pele]

Anything more to add on why you think it’s so clearly a work?

Why would Tony Khan allow something like this to happen. He has shown how ruthless he can be, but he isn't here?

[chatty]

Why would Tony Khan allow something like this to happen. He has shown how ruthless he can be, but he isn't here?

Cause he acts like a billionaire fanboy and not a manager. Also because he's coked of his tits.

[Badger]

Also you have to keep in mind that this is the same guy who said anyone who doesn’t like his product is a bot so don’t overestimate him.

[Defrost]

The funniest thing I've seen so far on this is someone calling the scrum "The Gripebomb"

[Badger]

The funniest thing I've seen so far on this is someone calling the scrum "The Gripebomb"

Ahahafdghhaaaaa! :rofl:

[virms]

Well, we'll have a clearer idea soon. Rumours that Punk and Steel may be gone, which would be quite the ballsy move. If the Bucks did kick the door down though it paints a somewhat different picture - more suitable for mediation than coming down hard on one side.

It should also be noted Ace's wife has a broken foot so if the Bucks did bust into the room where she was there's a very good chance Ace came in firing off like a madman trying to protect his wife first and foremost knowing she was hurt and possible couldn't get out of harms way in time.

[Donald]

By Ace's wife, you mean CM Punk?

[Mazer]

The funniest thing I've seen so far on this is someone calling the scrum "The Gripebomb"

That's actually pretty good

[BigAl]

It should also be noted Ace's wife has a broken foot so if the Bucks did bust into the room where she was there's a very good chance Ace came in firing off like a madman trying to protect his wife first and foremost knowing she was hurt and possible couldn't get out of harms way in time.

Even if she wasn't in there with a broken foot, I'd argue that someone breaking into a locked or closed room would justify an elevated response from whomever was in the room. IF the Bucks truly did kick the door open then Steel's response is a bit more understandable.

[Mazer]

Even if she wasn't in there with a broken foot, I'd argue that someone breaking into a locked or closed room would justify an elevated response from whomever was in the room. IF the Bucks truly did kick the door open then Steel's response is a bit more understandable.

Absolutely. If the Bucks kicked in the door, they should be suspended as well.

[Nash Diesel]

There is on way the Young Bucks and Omega's pussy asses kicked the door down like they were the nWo lol. Everyone involved but maybe Ace Steel is a whiny fake tough guy and this is what happens when fake tough guys fight. It's pulling hair, biting, sucker punches, it's a bunch of girls in 7th grade and I'm lovin it lol.


Why would Tony Khan allow something like this to happen. He has shown how ruthless he can be, but he isn't here?

When has Tony Khan ever shown how ruthless he can be?? LOL He didn't ALLOW this to happen. He was still taking questions at the media scrum. These wrestlers walk all over this motherfucker especially the ones with actual clout. He's a 40 year old EWR mark that has lived his entire life with his family money as a shield--he's about to find out money doesn't make you bulletproof.


Sure did, backstage turmoil with the likes of Hogan, Piper, Savage etc was full on used to push their angles to another level which whilst people weren't as privy to the backstage stuff then helped the intensity in the 80s.

Bret v Shawn unfolding was the first steps into the Attitude Era, made Vince the heel he needed to be and through the mess off their backstage fighting led to Austin, HHH coming through.

Guess the problem here is that I can't see Punk biting down and working with the Elite to actually make all this turn into money but if they could get professional then it could be a huge draw if AEW turned it into an angle.

I'm going to work backwards in responding. Honestly I don't think they should turn this into an angle because it wouldn't draw and just makes AEW look like a bunch of bitches. Who's the heel here? Punk? Why? He wasn't wrong. Neither were the Elite for responding like men instead of going to Meltzer and Alvarez.

There's a difference between real fights and rumored arguments. Piper has said many times him and Hogan never had any issues backstage with each other. Hogan and Savage? There's a rumor Savage punched him in 1993, 5 years after their feud, over Miss Elizabeth. And yeah the WWE got fuckin lucky with the aftermath of Montreal but it's apples and oranges. Bret and Shawn got into a fight yes, but they didn't turn any of that into a storyline. If you notice, Bret and Shawn don't even wrestle until what, 4 months later when Bret is already on his way out to WCW?

[Donald]

Doubt losing CM Punk would do much. They were getting close to 1 million each Dynamite before CM Punk. Not sure about PPVs. Merchandising would take a hit but the void left by CM Punk would be an opportunity for someone else.

[Nash Diesel]

CM Punk is a nice bonus but wasn't needed. If he did leave, I wonder if we would get CM PUNK chants on every AEW show now.

[Romford Pele]

Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.

[BigAl]

I think Tony will have to do something whether it's a suspension or termination. He can't let the precedent be set that you can go to a scrum and trash the EVPs, bitch and moan about whatever else Punk moaned about. Tony has to keep locker room morale in mind as well. Is it better to have one pissed off suspended employee in Punk, or a whole locker room of employees who are angry that he's playing favorites and Punk is the golden child? Just speaking from my experiences with managing large groups of people, it's a pain in the ass when everyone things one employee can do whatever they want without penalty.

And, like Mazer said, if the Bucks really did kick in a door and create a physical problem where there wasn't one, they need a suspension as well. That's a dangerous precedent as well. Employees who escalate situations from verbal to physical need discipline.

[Nash Diesel]

I mean, CM Punk did say if anyone had something to say to him, come fuckin bring it. And they brought it.

Honestly everyone involved has a claim for being right, and for being wrong. Punk was right for venting, just wrong for the way he went about it. Elite were right for confronting someone talking mad shit and inviting those people to say something, but they were wrong for taking the bait as executives and as talent.

But this is just another of many examples of how unprofessional AEW truly is. Cool, they have great catering, but they don't give a shit about their talent. How many wrestlers have been KO'd on live tv/ppv since they've been around? 4? Not even a month ago Dragon Lee was knocked the fuck out and what'd they do? Carried on like idiots. But you can bet your ass the Buck who got KO'd, he's taking some time off lol.

Bottomline this is what happens when children in adult bodies are given free reign. Some handle it better than others. I mean seriously, who's going to take Tony Khan seriously? He was buried by the #1 guy in his company and just cowered. It's a shame. I can't imagine any legit promoter, including Dixie Carter or Bischoff, being dressed down like Tony was by anyone idgaf it's Hogan, Nash, Austin, The Rock, none of these promoters would take that shit.

[Donald]

Tk should fire everyone involved.

[NeseToTheFace]

CM Punk sure loves to run his mouth. Right or wrong, it gets people talking. It seems that any time he's talking he's playing victim and that gets tiresome.

[Donald]

Tony needs to get control of the locker room, and state that none of this is tolerable. Firing his biggest star and executives of the company would be a great way to show the roster he is not messing about.

Of course they would need to review exactly what happened, as some people might be worthy of a suspension.

[MTR]

I think they all need punishment of some sort. They all did stupid shit.

[Badger]

Not confirmed by AEW as of yet but Fightful Select are reporting that they are of the belief that Malakai Black has been released.

[Donald]

Not confirmed by AEW as of yet but Fightful Select are reporting that Malakai Black has been released.

I'd say I hope he comes back home to WWE, but it looks like he's dealing with something personal and may never come back to pro wrestling.

[Badger]

I'd say I hope he comes back home to WWE, but it looks like he's dealing with something personal and may never come back to pro wrestling.

Yeah first and foremost I hope he’s okay.

Put in “they are of the belief” in original post for accuracy.

[Nash Diesel]

Black got the bone on the main roster going as far back as that random team with Ricochet. But the fact they released him a few days after returning and attacking Big E, made no sense. Honestly none of the releases are making sense when the rumor was $$$$. So did Braun say fuck it, give me half of what you offered last time? I know some of the returns in WWE were people who just didn't re-sign (Gargano) but outside of that it's like shit...maybe we will see Black make a comeback. His wife is there, maybe that's a big part of the mental struggle he's having.

You know who I think should go back to WWE is Andrade. His run in AEW has been terrible.

[Nash Diesel]

CM Punk sure loves to run his mouth. Right or wrong, it gets people talking. It seems that any time he's talking he's playing victim and that gets tiresome.

Very true. CM Punk is someone that I've said for years just reminds me of the typical poser punk kids I grew up with. They all pretended to be edgy and tough, but they were all extremely sensitive and entitled.

I think honestly what is pissing me off about this as a fan is that Punk is one of my all time favorites but now he's making me somewhat side with the Young Cucks and Kinny. The fact I'm giving props to those guys for taking Punk up on his challenge pisses me off lol.

It's funny.....AEW has so many fuckin people that you could release all 4 of them and it wouldn't matter. When you have Jericho, Moxley, Danielson, and then the younger cats like MJF, Darby Allin, Dante Martin, you don't really need them. Punk is made of glass, always been very injury prone since he first started wrestling. The other 3 have been around and probably fit better in Japan anyway. Fuck em all. Nobody missed them when they were gone.

[Badger]

Black got the bone on the main roster going as far back as that random team with Ricochet. But the fact they released him a few days after returning and attacking Big E, made no sense. Honestly none of the releases are making sense when the rumor was $$$$. So did Braun say fuck it, give me half of what you offered last time? I know some of the returns in WWE were people who just didn't re-sign (Gargano) but outside of that it's like shit...maybe we will see Black make a comeback. His wife is there, maybe that's a big part of the mental struggle he's having.

You know who I think should go back to WWE is Andrade. His run in AEW has been terrible.

Co-sign on that and Andrade. Andrade has had good matches but just not feeling this gimmick/stable and can’t see him rising any further than where he already is.

Like that segment where he and Jose randomly attacked/stun gunned Ten and Uno though aware it was to set up Hangman to be in the Trios Dark Order team was still cringe as fuck. He deserves better.

[Nash Diesel]

Co-sign on that and Andrade. Andrade has had good matches but just not feeling this gimmick/stable and can’t see him rising any further than where he already is.

Like that segment where he and Jose randomly attacked/stun gunned Ten and Uno though aware it was to set up Hangman to be in the Trios Dark Order team was still cringe as fuck. He deserves better.

That's kind of AEW's thing. All these wrestlers can go in the ring for the most part, but a lot of the non-wrestling is really bad. For example, Andrade...Why did he and Rush turn on Dragon Lee? Why did nothing come of that it's been 3-4 weeks now....That stable is terrible. But it really feels like since his debut, which was lackluster, AEW are just glad to have a body. AEW relies on 3 things: CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and debuts lol.

[Matthew]

Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.
...but it's a work?

[greebull]

Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.

Ever heard of Chris Jericho?

[Nash Diesel]

Ever heard of Chris Jericho?

Ever heard of Sting!!!?!?!?!? Sting is EASILY the biggest name in AEW.

But who's the #1 ratings draw in that company? Jericho? Sting? Nope, it's Punk. TNA had Hulk Hogan for fuck's sake and couldn't draw flies to shit.

[Donald]

I've been reading several people such as FTR and Jack Hager are not in the upcoming AEW video game. Why is this? I couldn't find a reason.

[Badger]

Tony loves him, cannot seem him terminating him. Punk is by far the biggest star in the company.

No offense mate but no.

Easily a lot of reasons. Assuming this stuff is true which I am leaning that it is. Legal issues, misconduct, pressure from sponsors, directors and other shareholders to keep the company image alive. Also the fact that as others have pointed out, Punk is not the biggest star of the company. Do you even watch AEW as haven’t even seen you comment in this thread up until today. In a polite way, maybe better to at least do research before jumping to immediate conclusions like it’s a work.

Punk is far far from untouchable and his own mouth/cocky attitude has got him in hot water on more than one occasion.

[Badger]

Even if this mess is somehow all a work, it is not doing anybody any favours.

[Nash Diesel]

I would literally ban anyone who keeps suggesting this may be a work lol. This is why I'll never be a mod.


I've been reading several people such as FTR and Jack Hager are not in the upcoming AEW video game. Why is this? I couldn't find a reason.

DLC/unlockable content. Nothing really new when you think about games since the late 90's until 2K22 where not everyone-including big names were not on the roster immediately. I spent like 2 months playing No Mercy to get enough money to unlock Ken Shamrock.


No offense mate but no.

Easily a lot of reasons. Assuming this stuff is true which I am leaning that it is. Legal issues, misconduct, pressure from sponsors, directors and other shareholders to keep the company image alive. Also the fact that as others have pointed out, Punk is not the biggest star of the company. Do you even watch AEW as haven’t even seen you comment in this thread up until today. In a polite way, maybe better to at least do research before jumping to immediate conclusions like it’s a work.

Punk is far far from untouchable and his own mouth/cocky attitude has got him in hot water on more than one occasion.

As I said, Punk is the biggest draw in the company and that's fact. Casual fans for sure know guys like Sting, Big Show, Mark Henry, Goldust, Jericho more than Punk but they're not as big of a draw these days. Jericho comes on tv the numbers drop.

I also think people are looking at this like it's the WWE. Honestly if you think about the other shit AEW has done, on live tv/ppv, this is pretty tame. It's just being overblown because A-we don't know what truly happened and B-many people pretend like AEW is bulletproof, that they can do no wrong and shit that happens in WWE, TNA could NEVER happen there. Wrong.

[Badger]

I would literally ban anyone who keeps suggesting this may be a work lol. This is why I'll never be a mod.



DLC/unlockable content. Nothing really new when you think about games since the late 90's until 2K22 where not everyone-including big names were not on the roster immediately. I spent like 2 months playing No Mercy to get enough money to unlock Ken Shamrock.



As I said, Punk is the biggest draw in the company and that's fact. Casual fans for sure know guys like Sting, Big Show, Mark Henry, Goldust, Jericho more than Punk but they're not as big of a draw these days. Jericho comes on tv the numbers drop.

I also think people are looking at this like it's the WWE. Honestly if you think about the other shit AEW has done, on live tv/ppv, this is pretty tame. It's just being overblown because A-we don't know what truly happened and B-many people pretend like AEW is bulletproof, that they can do no wrong and shit that happens in WWE, TNA could NEVER happen there. Wrong.

Even if by the stats he technically may draw more at some points than other guys like Chicago and haven’t done stat analysis on that. The main point to Rom was he is not untouchable as no-one is I think really. Ballsy to fire him? Sure yeah but while a big hole may be left it’s still not the end of the world. Still well-known stars and young talent they can grow off of if managed and controlled properly.

[Donald]

I think John Cena is untouchable. It was in his theme song.

[Badger]

I think John Cena is untouchable. It was in his theme song.

Huganomics :heart:

[McBain]

Punk being injured sounds almost nailed on at this point. Mox's line about fragile body sounds even more accurate. I wonder if this makes it more likely they'll cut their losses.

[Nash Diesel]

So in 24 hours we should assume we'll hear about an interim trios championship match and another interim World championship match? Or they just gonna vacate both and back to square one?

Even if I say I do, I really don't find joy in any of this. It's kind of sad reading tweets/comments about how this is more entertaining than the actual wrestling product in any company blah blah blah. This is why reality tv people make a billion on make up.

People will mention Shawn/Bret or Booker T/Batista but these are different ani


Even if by the stats he technically may draw more at some points than other guys like Chicago and haven’t done stat analysis on that. The main point to Rom was he is not untouchable as no-one is I think really. Ballsy to fire him? Sure yeah but while a big hole may be left it’s still not the end of the world. Still well-known stars and young talent they can grow off of if managed and controlled properly.

You don't have to, Tony Khan already did at the ppv where Punk won the title. It wasn't just Chicago either. Let's not downplay the value CM Punk still has, because yes "technically" matters lol.

It would be ballsy to fire him. That doesn't take away from anyone else on the roster that is a major star as well. IF Punk doesn't get fired he'll be around for a bit. Maybe not wrestling every week but he'll be there and he isn't destined to be the #1 guy forever. The intention for a guy in Punk's shoes is to sprinkle what little star power he has left and elevate. Nobody can convince me he didn't elevate MJF. That kid was on his way but the Punk feud was THE defining moment. Even if he never does anything good again, that will forever be-imo-one of the best angles in the modern era, maybe in all 35+ years of me being a fan, could be top 10 it was that incredible.

I agree, dude isn't bulletproof we all know that everyone is expendable even Roman Reigns depending on the circumstances. Look at Vince. Took 40 years to dethrone that guy. Vince is just like most of us men, destroyed by temptation lol. CM Punk....#1 guy in AEW but they did fine with him they'll do fine without him.

[Badger]

So in 24 hours we should assume we'll hear about an interim trios championship match and another interim World championship match? Or they just gonna vacate both and back to square one?

Even if I say I do, I really don't find joy in any of this. It's kind of sad reading tweets/comments about how this is more entertaining than the actual wrestling product in any company blah blah blah. This is why reality tv people make a billion on make up.

People will mention Shawn/Bret or Booker T/Batista but these are different ani



You don't have to, Tony Khan already did at the ppv where Punk won the title. It wasn't just Chicago either. Let's not downplay the value CM Punk still has, because yes "technically" matters lol.

It would be ballsy to fire him. That doesn't take away from anyone else on the roster that is a major star as well. IF Punk doesn't get fired he'll be around for a bit. Maybe not wrestling every week but he'll be there and he isn't destined to be the #1 guy forever. The intention for a guy in Punk's shoes is to sprinkle what little star power he has left and elevate. Nobody can convince me he didn't elevate MJF. That kid was on his way but the Punk feud was THE defining moment. Even if he never does anything good again, that will forever be-imo-one of the best angles in the modern era, maybe in all 35+ years of me being a fan, could be top 10 it was that incredible.

I agree, dude isn't bulletproof we all know that everyone is expendable even Roman Reigns depending on the circumstances. Look at Vince. Took 40 years to dethrone that guy. Vince is just like most of us men, destroyed by temptation lol. CM Punk....#1 guy in AEW but they did fine with him they'll do fine without him.

Wasn’t meaning to downplay as such. I do realise his contributions and value and was excited personally to see him get a second chance and loved his opening moments. His MITB match against Cena one of my all time favourites. I realise at the time it was a big coup On his overall body of work over the years (from what I’ve seen, admittedly didn’t follow him as early as some of you guys so the pain may hurt for others than me, IMO as Mazer said, mean promo but average wrestler by comparison to others.

As a person though, always thought he was a pleb so not overly sad or emotional if he ends up fired. Though I have taken the piss a bit in this thread with him, deep down I’m really disappointed.

[Rancid_Planet]

Work or not obviously you do a Punk/FTR vs Bucks/Omega match from this. I mean it's like printing money and obviously Tony started this company to really compete with WWE, not to just hang out with the wrestlers he likes.

Obviously.

[Defrost]

Not even shoot boy MJF was allowed to utter the name CM Punk

[Nero]

What about the people who just watch the show and don't read dirt sheets/watch the press conference? They tuned in today with no explaination, they could have at least blurred the lines. Has the potential to be one of the biggest storylines of recent times and theyve basically just gone quiet on it. Weak.

Punks been removed from the show intro too.

[Nash Diesel]

What about the people who just watch the show and don't read dirt sheets/watch the press conference? They tuned in today with no explaination, they could have at least blurred the lines. Has the potential to be one of the biggest storylines of recent times and theyve basically just gone quiet on it. Weak.

Punks been removed from the show intro too.

It's embarrassing. Bottomline is you have a very unprofessional looking company ran by a mark who has had a pretty fucked up couple weeks with Eddie Kingston now this. A bunch of soft ass wannabe tough guys.

[Tainted Eclipse]

hoping for a danielson/darby final

[Nash Diesel]

You have to give props to Tony Khan. This motherfucker is getting hit with shit left and right. Interim this, vacant that, tournament here, introducing titles left and right. I don't think there's ever been a company fucked this hard since that wrestling ppv where Jake pissed himself tagging with Neidhart.

I will say this........It's a shame that a weekend of great wrestling from 3 different brands were completely overshadowed by this childish bullshit. WWE delivered 2 great events, AEW had a great card Sunday night. Shout out the fans who have no clue about any of this lol.

Tony was bragging about being a rich Jim Crockett. Well, keep comparing yourself to fuckin losers. "I'm like Paul Heyman" the fuck you are. Even Paul didn't have this level of fuckery in ECW.

[Badger]

ROH match spoiler from Dynamite (playing safe with spoiler tags)

Daniel Garcia beat Wheeler Yuta for the ROH pure title. Saw it in my FB feed but not bothered as fucking happy for Garcia! Yaaaaas! Garcia has earned this push!

Will look up match and watch proper tomorrow

[Romford Pele]

Ever heard of Sting!!!?!?!?!? Sting is EASILY the biggest name in AEW.

But who's the #1 ratings draw in that company? Jericho? Sting? Nope, it's Punk. TNA had Hulk Hogan for fuck's sake and couldn't draw flies to shit.

Sting is not a full timer, or really an in ring talent that much any more though is he.

[Romford Pele]

Ever heard of Chris Jericho?

I have. Not as big a star as Punk.


...but it's a work?

Maybe, maybe not.


No offense mate but no.

Easily a lot of reasons. Assuming this stuff is true which I am leaning that it is. Legal issues, misconduct, pressure from sponsors, directors and other shareholders to keep the company image alive. Also the fact that as others have pointed out, Punk is not the biggest star of the company. Do you even watch AEW as haven’t even seen you comment in this thread up until today. In a polite way, maybe better to at least do research before jumping to immediate conclusions like it’s a work.

Punk is far far from untouchable and his own mouth/cocky attitude has got him in hot water on more than one occasion.

Mate, I watch AEW but to not suggest that Punk is the biggest star in AEW is laughable. Sting is part time, Jericho was never as big a star. Punk was basically number 2 behind Cena in the biggest wrestling company on the planet.

[Badger]

I have. Not as big a star as Punk.



Maybe, maybe not.



Mate, I watch AEW but to not suggest that Punk is the biggest star in AEW is laughable. Sting is part time, Jericho was never as big a star. Punk was basically number 2 behind Cena in the biggest wrestling company on the planet.

If you read on, had this discussion with Nash. Yes he does draw at times and it is at the very least arguable but you are still missing the main point so far. It was a side-point.

While Punk being fired would leave a very big gap, it does not mean in any way that he is untouchable and that Khan would “allow this” to happen or “lol this is clearly a work” like you jumped in and only explained when I pushed you. This is the first time IIRC commenting on AEW so saw you as a fairweather fan so don’t blame me for that.

Punk does bring a lot to the table yes and even said in my points that he has great matches (on occasion like with Cena in MITB) and a mean promo guy. He is still an arsehole though IMO especially if found at fault here. Though I haven’t followed his career as closely as others here may have, I won’t be that sad if he’s gone. AEW and Khan can cope.

[Romford Pele]

Never said he wasn’t an arsehole. He probably is. But he is the biggest star they have, he is at a higher level except Sting who doesn’t really wrestle.

AEW will likely be ok if he goes, but it would still be a blow.

As for your point on commenting, just because I haven’t commented on the thread much doesn’t mean I don’t watch it. That’s just silly.

[Badger]

Just interesting you comment on it now is all I’m saying.

If you truly do watch and follow, would love to hear your thoughts on other stuff other than this Punk situation.

[Donald]

I'd like to hear Romford's thoughts on Ruby Soho

[Defrost]

I think after everything going back to that very overrated promo back in the day the funniest thing of this is Punk outing himself as a Vincel

[Mazer]

Punk popped a rating early.

And then things pretty much slid back to where they were.

Not saying that he didn't have value, but just not thinking he was someone who was going to be a sustained gamechanger.

[Nash Diesel]

I'll be honest, I don't blame Romford for not wanting to post in this thread. Up until about a month or so ago it was almost impossible to criticize AEW without 5-6 people playing Capt Save-A-Ho

I do think Punk has been a gamechanger for AEW.

[Badger]

I'll be honest, I don't blame Romford for not wanting to post in this thread. Up until about a month or so ago it was almost impossible to criticize AEW without 5-6 people playing Capt Save-A-Ho

I do think Punk has been a gamechanger for AEW.

The way I have seen Punk’s run is this.

Initial return the first few weeks yeah folk tuned in but then a big chunk after that facing midcarders before getting into your Hangmans, MJFs, Moxleys etc. Basically a strong start, a meh middle then a strong late game til the injury and shit happened.

I respect him as a wrestler and moreso as a mic worker and moved the needle but not sure by how much and how consistent of a draw he’s really been when he’s also been in a lot of meh stuff in the middle.

[Mazer]

I'll be honest, I don't blame Romford for not wanting to post in this thread. Up until about a month or so ago it was almost impossible to criticize AEW without 5-6 people playing Capt Save-A-Ho

I do think Punk has been a gamechanger for AEW.

Intrigued. How do you think he's been a gamechanger?



And yes AEW convo is easier now. I heard a point recently that I think may have some merit. It got lost in the media scrum hootenanny. But All Out may have been when AEW live crowds started changing from "we're happy with what you're giving us" to "we're going to tell you what we want"

[Nash Diesel]

The way I have seen Punk’s run is this.

Initial return the first few weeks yeah folk tuned in but then a big chunk after that facing midcarders before getting into your Hangmans, MJFs, Moxleys etc. Basically a strong start, a meh middle then a strong late game til the injury and shit happened.

I respect him as a wrestler and moreso as a mic worker and moved the needle but not sure by how much and how consistent of a draw he’s really been when he’s also been in a lot of meh stuff in the middle.

Tony spit out the numbers after he won the World title from Hangman. If numbers don't matter then we can look at the feuds he's had. MJF was the best feud the company has ever had by a country mile, and arguably the best feud of the last decade.

Anyone who pays any amount of attention to my posts in this thread or about AEW in general know that I don't jerk them off very often. But again, numbers don't lie. If the fuckin stat master owner is telling you the guy is the biggest draw, he's the biggest draw for the company. Just because you don't FEEL that he is, what the fuck? Are you going to tell me John Cena wasn't the biggest draw in the WWE because you don't really know what kind of ratings he consistently brought or the exact number of t-shirts he sold?




Intrigued. How do you think he's been a gamechanger?



And yes AEW convo is easier now. I heard a point recently that I think may have some merit. It got lost in the media scrum hootenanny. But All Out may have been when AEW live crowds started changing from "we're happy with what you're giving us" to "we're going to tell you what we want"

It's pretty obvious. Everything the guy does trumps everything else not just in AEW but the world of wrestling. We just had 3 stellar events this weekend. Instead of talking about Gunther v. Sheamus, Riddle v. Rollins, Jericho v. Danielson, we're spending 99% of the time talking about Punk's media scrum and the aftermath. I'm going to work backwards. His match with Moxley on Dynamite, huge ratings. His return, big. His last ppv, I believe had the most buys ever and largest gate AEW has seen. The list goes on.

So he's definitely been a gamechanger for AEW. Again this is me you're talking to, I don't give AEW props very often but real is real. IMO, he's the only person they've signed since the company started that has truly moved the needle. Not Sting. Not Andrade. Not Big Show. Not Toni Storm. He is the only one. Jericho, Moxley, they were already here and them joining AEW didn't really mean much compared to one of the biggest draws of the modern era coming back from 7-8 years on the bench. If he wasn't a gamechanger why is he the most talked about wrestler in the world right now?

[Mazer]

Tony spit out the numbers after he won the World title from Hangman. If numbers don't matter then we can look at the feuds he's had. MJF was the best feud the company has ever had by a country mile, and arguably the best feud of the last decade.

Anyone who pays any amount of attention to my posts in this thread or about AEW in general know that I don't jerk them off very often. But again, numbers don't lie. If the fuckin stat master owner is telling you the guy is the biggest draw, he's the biggest draw for the company. Just because you don't FEEL that he is, what the fuck? Are you going to tell me John Cena wasn't the biggest draw in the WWE because you don't really know what kind of ratings he consistently brought or the exact number of t-shirts he sold?





It's pretty obvious. Everything the guy does trumps everything else not just in AEW but the world of wrestling. We just had 3 stellar events this weekend. Instead of talking about Gunther v. Sheamus, Riddle v. Rollins, Jericho v. Danielson, we're spending 99% of the time talking about Punk's media scrum and the aftermath. I'm going to work backwards. His match with Moxley on Dynamite, huge ratings. His return, big. His last ppv, I believe had the most buys ever and largest gate AEW has seen. The list goes on.

So he's definitely been a gamechanger for AEW. Again this is me you're talking to, I don't give AEW props very often but real is real. IMO, he's the only person they've signed since the company started that has truly moved the needle. Not Sting. Not Andrade. Not Big Show. Not Toni Storm. He is the only one. Jericho, Moxley, they were already here and them joining AEW didn't really mean much compared to one of the biggest draws of the modern era coming back from 7-8 years on the bench. If he wasn't a gamechanger why is he the most talked about wrestler in the world right now?

Before my actual reply...I like that you included Toni Storm in that group.

[Mazer]

Tony spit out the numbers after he won the World title from Hangman. If numbers don't matter then we can look at the feuds he's had. MJF was the best feud the company has ever had by a country mile, and arguably the best feud of the last decade.

Anyone who pays any amount of attention to my posts in this thread or about AEW in general know that I don't jerk them off very often. But again, numbers don't lie. If the fuckin stat master owner is telling you the guy is the biggest draw, he's the biggest draw for the company. Just because you don't FEEL that he is, what the fuck? Are you going to tell me John Cena wasn't the biggest draw in the WWE because you don't really know what kind of ratings he consistently brought or the exact number of t-shirts he sold?





It's pretty obvious. Everything the guy does trumps everything else not just in AEW but the world of wrestling. We just had 3 stellar events this weekend. Instead of talking about Gunther v. Sheamus, Riddle v. Rollins, Jericho v. Danielson, we're spending 99% of the time talking about Punk's media scrum and the aftermath. I'm going to work backwards. His match with Moxley on Dynamite, huge ratings. His return, big. His last ppv, I believe had the most buys ever and largest gate AEW has seen. The list goes on.

So he's definitely been a gamechanger for AEW. Again this is me you're talking to, I don't give AEW props very often but real is real. IMO, he's the only person they've signed since the company started that has truly moved the needle. Not Sting. Not Andrade. Not Big Show. Not Toni Storm. He is the only one. Jericho, Moxley, they were already here and them joining AEW didn't really mean much compared to one of the biggest draws of the modern era coming back from 7-8 years on the bench. If he wasn't a gamechanger why is he the most talked about wrestler in the world right now?

Yeah, i would never consider either one of us to be AEW shills (or WWE for that matter).

All your points are valid, and I'm not arguing that he's had an effect. He has. My point is more if it's lasting, and whether there's going to be much actual difference. I know neither of us want to have a pedantic "what does gamechanger mean" argument, but I do kinda wonder if there's much difference.

Him being the most talked about this weekend is kind of beside my central point.

Punk can pop some ratings, but I think where I stop short on him is that it seems like things slide back down immediately after. The ratings have stayed pretty constant. So, we've got two weeks of popped ratings and a big PPV. I really don't want to diminish that. I do consider him their biggest star currently. And again, not saying he hasn't made them money. And if biggest mover in the company is your stance, then OK.

For me, where I was originally when I said he wasn't a gamechanger is that I don't see how he has taken the overall product to another level. But to me, the only real gamechanger in the past 5 years is heel Roman Reigns.


All that said, I think wrestling is getting harder and harder for one person to truly move the needle in a sustained way anymore. It's not the 80s or 90s anymore.

[Donald]

Brock Lesnar is the game changer for me. Ratings always raise when he's around.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah, i would never consider either one of us to be AEW shills (or WWE for that matter).

All your points are valid, and I'm not arguing that he's had an effect. He has. My point is more if it's lasting, and whether there's going to be much actual difference. I know neither of us want to have a pedantic "what does gamechanger mean" argument, but I do kinda wonder if there's much difference.

Him being the most talked about this weekend is kind of beside my central point.

Punk can pop some ratings, but I think where I stop short on him is that it seems like things slide back down immediately after. The ratings have stayed pretty constant. So, we've got two weeks of popped ratings and a big PPV. I really don't want to diminish that. I do consider him their biggest star currently. And again, not saying he hasn't made them money. And if biggest mover in the company is your stance, then OK.

For me, where I was originally when I said he wasn't a gamechanger is that I don't see how he has taken the overall product to another level. But to me, the only real gamechanger in the past 5 years is heel Roman Reigns.


All that said, I think wrestling is getting harder and harder for one person to truly move the needle in a sustained way anymore. It's not the 80s or 90s anymore.

AEW is still fairly young so I guess my question would be, what level does one need to take AEW to be considered a game changer? If bringing in more fans, more money, the best storylines, if that isn't elevating AEW then what the fuck lol.

The ratings are what they are. Regardless if they slip back down a little, does that matter? If Austin and Undertaker drew a 10.0 rating, and then the next week it's only a 9, and then a month later it goes back up to 10, is that a negative? Again, largest gate with him headlining, largest ppv buy with him headlining, and again, we follow his every move.

You're right, it's hard for ONE person to move the needle, even in the 80's and 90's. Punk can't do this all on his own and he's not, I'm not saying that, but if a company has several needle movers, that's a plus. WCW wasn't huge because of Scott Hall. WWF wasn't huge because of Stone Cold. But there are definitely certain guys who are at the top of that list as to who moves that needle.

I don't want to include WWE in this discussion because it's apples and oranges. And to be honest, the only argument we could make would be to compare CM Punk in WWE versus Roman Reigns in WWE and that's a totally different conversation.

[Matthew]

Lol its so clearly a work.



Maybe, maybe not.


matt riddle's footwear

[Romford Pele]

Broooooooooooooo

[VHS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftFFlVJ0Sgo

[McBain]

ROH match spoiler from Dynamite (playing safe with spoiler tags)

Daniel Garcia beat Wheeler Yuta for the ROH pure title. Saw it in my FB feed but not bothered as fucking happy for Garcia! Yaaaaas! Garcia has earned this push!

Will look up match and watch proper tomorrow

I agree but I wonder what it says about Yuta. They seem to have gone cold on him.

[Badger]

I agree but I wonder what it says about Yuta. They seem to have gone cold on him.

Well Nash will be celebrating (jokes Nash).

But seriously as happy as I am for Garcia, I am unsure what the point was of giving Yuta that belt was. As far as I know he was defending it in Japan shows but this is the first time in a long time as far as I know that he defended it on Dynamite. After the big deal that was made after his matches with Mox, I’m not sure where they stand with him now.

[Nash Diesel]

Well Nash will be celebrating (jokes Nash).

But seriously as happy as I am for Garcia, I am unsure what the point was of giving Yuta that belt was. As far as I know he was defending it in Japan shows but this is the first time in a long time as far as I know that he defended it on Dynamite. After the big deal that was made after his matches with Mox, I’m not sure where they stand with him now.

lol.

The point was almost like a movie. Take the jobbiest of the jobbers, put him with with the biggest names you have, put a belt on him=he'll get over! And for a bit AEW fans for the most part were playing along.

Many, many AEW fans want everything that company puts out there to be "good" so they'll react how they assume Tony wants them to but now I'm starting to see more and more fans like myself. Fans who don't have an allegiance to one company that will praise and shit on whatever they put out. Yuta is a failed experiment that Tony in all his glorious booker of the year skillset should've known. That whole stable I'm sorry to say but it was poorly put together and hasn't really done a damn thing for anyone.

Danielson didn't need it, Moxley sure as shit didn't need it. Regal...fuck man I wish he was still in WWE where the talent actually appreciate his knowledge. Cesaro and Yuta need it because they have zero charisma. I love Cesaro but I also loved Shelton Benajmin and Charlie Haas. Cesaro is a tag guy that should be in a tag team with someone equally as good i.e. Chris Hero, Sheamus, Tyson Kidd.

[McBain]

I'm inclined to agree with you.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm not high on Daniel Garcia either. He's about as interesting as a twig in my backyard. Sure you can pick it up, pretend it's a sword, but it's still just a stick.

But I would've rather seen him than Yuta. AEW loves these jabronis like Yuta, Garcia, Cool Hand Jim, the fat Hardy Buck with the Khan cocaine eyes...How many episodes of Dynamite and Rampage did Garcia and 2.0 main event ? And they wonder why that audience doesn't grow.

[Nash Diesel]

The saddest part for me as a fan of AEW is how irrelevant Sting and Darby Allin have become. I did kind of laugh a little seeing Miro and Sting team up just because of that whole Christianity vibe. But there was a time where Darby Allin was important. Maybe this is due to having 400 people on 2 shows, the YT shows are Velocity there's nothing special on there.

Darby is someone I would like to see get some more shine. Maybe he'll win the tournament and be new World champ!!

[Tim]

I saw a funny meme that asked when the young bucks kicked down Punks door did they slap their legs, the visual sounds funny anyway.

AEW is like government funding for wrestlers. They sign everyone and have no clue what to do with them so they put them in a random stable. They must have 90 stables in AEW.

[NeseToTheFace]

I watched a little of Dynamite and the roster just feels so weird. Should scrap the "Damn near everyone gets put in a stable" mentality. There are few exceptions but there should be even more exceptions. Danielson doesn't need a mouthpiece, nor does Moxley.

With all their talent they should have a clearly defined top-tier, a midcard, then younger guys (think Dante Martin, when healthy) who could balance on the lower end who can become midcarders people give a shit about. You have Death Triangle when you just need the Lucha Bros. PAC would've been a better fit in BCC than Claudio or Yuta. Regal could be his mouthpiece, or just let the guy go out and do his thing.

And you're right about Darby. He felt like a big deal a year ago, now he's hanging out with his wrestling Dad for what reason? The bloated roster looks great for a video game. For TV time? Not so much. And the former Ever-Rise don't belong anywhere near a main event. A lot of the programming is like those early Smackdown games you could create your own PPV and put Tajiri in the main event just because you liked him.

[Nash Diesel]

I saw a funny meme that asked when the young bucks kicked down Punks door did they slap their legs, the visual sounds funny anyway.

AEW is like government funding for wrestlers. They sign everyone and have no clue what to do with them so they put them in a random stable. They must have 90 stables in AEW.

I pos repped this but holy shit that's brilliant!

90 stables and every single one but maybe The Elite make zero sense. People just linked up like they were picking lab partners and boom, stable.


I watched a little of Dynamite and the roster just feels so weird. Should scrap the "Damn near everyone gets put in a stable" mentality. There are few exceptions but there should be even more exceptions. Danielson doesn't need a mouthpiece, nor does Moxley.

With all their talent they should have a clearly defined top-tier, a midcard, then younger guys (think Dante Martin, when healthy) who could balance on the lower end who can become midcarders people give a shit about. You have Death Triangle when you just need the Lucha Bros. PAC would've been a better fit in BCC than Claudio or Yuta. Regal could be his mouthpiece, or just let the guy go out and do his thing.

And you're right about Darby. He felt like a big deal a year ago, now he's hanging out with his wrestling Dad for what reason? The bloated roster looks great for a video game. For TV time? Not so much. And the former Ever-Rise don't belong anywhere near a main event. A lot of the programming is like those early Smackdown games you could create your own PPV and put Tajiri in the main event just because you liked him.

Looks great for a video game and they can't even put FTR on the main roster. Instead they're DLC. Don't get me wrong I get unlockables, going back to the late 90's-present day. But when you have FTR, who is easily in the top 3 of your tag-teams, shouldn't you include them? If I buy this game and I see fuckin Sonjay Dutt and no FTR, I'm flippin this desk.

[Mazer]

If I buy this game and I see fuckin Sonjay Dutt and no FTR, I'm flippin this desk.

Video or it didn't happen

[Badger]

Crowd chant: “We want desks!”

[Rip]

I pos repped this but holy shit that's brilliant!

90 stables and every single one but maybe The Elite make zero sense. People just linked up like they were picking lab partners and boom, stable.

Death Triangle are a good group, but yeah I get the feeling other than that it’s literally done by pulling names from a hat, and there’s zero conviction either they flip and jump groups from one week to the next, I mean have Acclaimed/Gunns just played pass with Billy for weeks, likewise big Luchasaurus must have whiplash considering how fast he turns.

[Tempest]

I have always loved CM Punk so feel like I want to side with him, but he was such an embarrassing mess the other day.

The only thing that niggles me is that whole thing where it was rumoured Cody and the other EVPs had an issue. At the time everyone was so tired of Cody that it wasn't an issue and no-one cared, assuming it was his arrogance and he is the problem. He left and it was forgotten. Whatever went on, Cody generally handled it with class, said nothing and moved on.

Punk has never been so classy in that he cant keep his mouth shut. I just feel like as much as he has been a thunder cock, it has come from somewhere. There's also Jericho talking about people leaking stuff, which is what Punk out and out said is the EVPs doing.

The Elite come across to me as a poor mans Kliq and you have folk reacting in different ways against it. Punk does it in his typical way of going full victim, dog with a bone, point to prove and ends up being the villain, but I still just feel like it comes from some truth. There's plenty of times I can think where I was wronged in life and mouthed off that much that I ended up the bad guy and there was no way I could argue that back

Like I say I may just be a fan boy here and I totally dont excuse how he handled himself because it was piss poor and he should know better. But I dont feel like the narrative that is being presented is the whole thing.

On another note, I found Dynamite weird this week, but kinda cool. Like it felt for the first time in ages like the show I started to get hooked on, as opposed to a game of who can we fit in this week and then forget the next. We will see if it carries over until next week I guess.

Been ages since I drunk postsd :cool:

[Badger]

Temp! :beer:

Great drunk post!

[chatty]

Definitely need to sort the stables out, it's good at times having lots of stables but not to the point where everyone is in one and normally for no reason. I'd personally change the following:

Dark Order - disbandan, have Silver/Reynolds as a tag team, let Preston Vance go on his own, unmask and see what he can do solo and Evil Uno, I'd be happy not to see him again tbh.

Blackpool Combat Club - I dunno what the point of this stable is tbh, started good and then sort of got lost after a few weeks. I think it would have been better as a heel faction of ex WWE guys Punk, Bryan, Moxley and Regal as manager. Running over the roster, acting like they are NWO 2020s, use it to put the younger guys over (unlike Main Event Mafia). Don't really care what they do now, feel like Bryan, Moxley and Claudio would be better off as solo guys, Yuta as well but down the card.

JAP - this hasn't really worked and seems like they are en route to abandoning it anyway. Jericho, Sammy and Hager are fine as a trio, get them chasing the trios championship for a while. Let Garcia go off into the main card alone, 2.0 can just be a tag team.

The Elite/UE - think when they come back they'd all be better if separated anyway. Guess Omega and Bucks cango after their stripped titles. Can build to Cole v Omega when they are both back as well, I would mind the Bucks splitting up and having a feud with each other tbh. O Reilly looks like the odd man out again now Fish has gone.

House of Black - dead in the water now Black has gone. Let the other two go solo.

Factory - jobbers, would probably be better off trying to carve solo paths.

Trustbusters - new so give it a chance but has future jobbers written all over it. Only Parker who is interesting but looks green as hell.

[Defrost]

Kenny Omega is in Tokyo for TGS so he seems to have come out fine on this since he's working again.

[Mazer]

I have always loved CM Punk so feel like I want to side with him, but he was such an embarrassing mess the other day.

The only thing that niggles me is that whole thing where it was rumoured Cody and the other EVPs had an issue. At the time everyone was so tired of Cody that it wasn't an issue and no-one cared, assuming it was his arrogance and he is the problem. He left and it was forgotten. Whatever went on, Cody generally handled it with class, said nothing and moved on.

Punk has never been so classy in that he cant keep his mouth shut. I just feel like as much as he has been a thunder cock, it has come from somewhere. There's also Jericho talking about people leaking stuff, which is what Punk out and out said is the EVPs doing.

The Elite come across to me as a poor mans Kliq and you have folk reacting in different ways against it. Punk does it in his typical way of going full victim, dog with a bone, point to prove and ends up being the villain, but I still just feel like it comes from some truth. There's plenty of times I can think where I was wronged in life and mouthed off that much that I ended up the bad guy and there was no way I could argue that back

Like I say I may just be a fan boy here and I totally dont excuse how he handled himself because it was piss poor and he should know better. But I dont feel like the narrative that is being presented is the whole thing.

On another note, I found Dynamite weird this week, but kinda cool. Like it felt for the first time in ages like the show I started to get hooked on, as opposed to a game of who can we fit in this week and then forget the next. We will see if it carries over until next week I guess.

Been ages since I drunk postsd :cool:

Love the drunk post.

AEW has really worked hard to cultivate their relationship with the wrestling media.

Shockingly, it looks like that might not all be positive.

[Nash Diesel]

It's funny that Punk believes so much shit from the dirtsheets--unless it's negative about him lol. This whole fight sounds like when my 4 sisters got into a fight. 2 sets of sisters with different moms fighting at my dad's when we were teenagers. So basically Punk/Steel and The Elite are my sisters, and my dad was Tony Khan just watching the shit show unfold.

They heard some rumors that supposedly this mom said that about this mom and nobody really owned up to anything. It was pathetic. No striking or grappling skills. No technique. Just hair pulling, biting, kicking each other in the vag while they rolled around in the grass. It reminded me of one of those old cartoons where a cat and dog get into a fight lol.

[Mazer]

It's funny that Punk believes so much shit from the dirtsheets--unless it's negative about him lol. This whole fight sounds like when my 4 sisters got into a fight. 2 sets of sisters with different moms fighting at my dad's when we were teenagers. So basically Punk/Steel and The Elite are my sisters, and my dad was Tony Khan just watching the shit show unfold.

They heard some rumors that supposedly this mom said that about this mom and nobody really owned up to anything. It was pathetic. No striking or grappling skills. No technique. Just hair pulling, biting, kicking each other in the vag while they rolled around in the grass. It reminded me of one of those old cartoons where a cat and dog get into a fight lol.

Did your dad come out to the Living Room and announce that title for "first to get dessert" had been vacated?

Before he announced it, did he make you announce him as "husband, father, and general manager"?

[Nash Diesel]

Did your dad come out to the Living Room and announce that title for "first to get dessert" had been vacated?

Before he announced it, did he make you announce him as "husband, father, and general manager"?

LOL I wish. Here's the twist that I think is the same with Tony Khan.

The fight was about Mom 2 telling her kids that she heard Mom 1 was talking shit. So the girls are getting into it and Mom 1 is like, who the hell told her I was talking shit she doesn't know anyone I know. All while my dad is there, knowing he's the one who was telling Mom 2 a fake story about Mom 1 to get in Mom 2's good graces over child support.

This is why you don't marry and if you do, don't get divorced lol. But I feel like Tony Khan feeds so much info, he's an open book just listen to/watch any of the media scrums and a room full of people acting like it's a fuckin writers night out at the bar. Paul Heyman did the same exact shit so maybe that's what Tony relates to when it comes to him. Not so much the creative mind but the playing both sides to keep yourself clean.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The Elite are The Kliq only in the way that they're a cadre of upper-midcard guys who hang out together.

Their problems and the issues they're creating on their TV are very, very different. Arguably worse. Nobody in The Elite is showing up to wrestle drunk or while they're cruising on Lake Have-A-Soma, but they're all so wrapped up in their own little world and their own special brand of niche, super silly bullshit, its alienating 200,000-odd people a week. At least, since Kenny Omega's come back. Omega isn't World Champion, so he's not such a drain on business like Diesel or Shawn Michaels were when they had their crummy, ill-liked World Title reigns. But its all still bad news.

CM Punk is like the Bret Hart of this situation. He's never worked with Omega or The Bucks, but they've been fucking him around backstage, and its bleeding over into real life. The Media Scrum. Bret Hart would've been too damn professional and too damn ardent about maintaining kayfabe to even do a media scrum, but if Vince forced his hand, Bret would probably be the most polite, pro there. It would've been The Kliq idiots saying something and causing trouble.

"Hangman" Page in all this is sort of like the Lex Luger. He's the guy the company picked to be "their guy" before somebody bigger and better got over and superseded him. Page thinks he's in with The Elite, so he went off script on TV and tried to trash Punk in an interview that seemed more confused rambling than anything else. Page in The Elite is sort of like Aldo Montoya with The Kliq -- they're buddies, but they're nowhere near that level. So Punk blistered him for it and rightfully so. Because it was a dumb idea that needed addressing. And no, Page, you're not high enough on the totem pole to get away with it.

What's my point in all this? The Elite are a different kind of problem than The Kliq and CM Punk's beef with them isn't quite as legit as Bret's was with The Kliq bros. But its all about the same kind of he-said, she-said bullshit. But now, with modern online media and press events bookending every show, we get to see it play out in real-life.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

LOL I wish. Here's the twist that I think is the same with Tony Khan.

The fight was about Mom 2 telling her kids that she heard Mom 1 was talking shit. So the girls are getting into it and Mom 1 is like, who the hell told her I was talking shit she doesn't know anyone I know. All while my dad is there, knowing he's the one who was telling Mom 2 a fake story about Mom 1 to get in Mom 2's good graces over child support.

This is why you don't marry and if you do, don't get divorced lol. But I feel like Tony Khan feeds so much info, he's an open book just listen to/watch any of the media scrums and a room full of people acting like it's a fuckin writers night out at the bar. Paul Heyman did the same exact shit so maybe that's what Tony relates to when it comes to him. Not so much the creative mind but the playing both sides to keep yourself clean.

The difference is, if you put Paul Heyman in a room with a microphone and a bunch of wrestling press, he could talk his way out of a triple homicide and running over a class of orphans crossing the street to get away. The dude is a master manipulator. He can sell ice to somebody frozen in a block of ice. He could sell a gallon of gasoline to somebody who just caught on fire. He can talk his way out of anything, and don't think for one minute that Heyman didn't pick up some kind of legalize bullshit talk from his dad, who was a lawyer. He might not be right or he might just be making up bullshit, but he can make it sound right and that's the point.

Tony Khan sounds like he's the kind of guy who'd have a mental breakdown trying make a McDonald's order. He's as nervous as a shithouse rat. And that's the big knock against him. Even if he's completely and utterly innocent in something, the way he talks and carries himself would make him look like he's about to fidget himself right into trouble.

[Nash Diesel]

Spot on about Tony at McDonald's, only because I imagine he's never actually had to go to a place like that and order his own food lol. Can you see his parents taking him to get a Happy meal when he was 9? Me neither lol.

The thing is, say what you want but the guys in the Klik were some of the top draws. Diesel, Shawn, and Razor were carrying that company along with Bret and Taker. Those were the 5 guys people still tuned in to see WWF tv. The US were struggling, WCW had Hogan, Savage, Flair and were doing worse than the WWF. I hate comparing people to the past but I can somewhat understand why people would compare the Elite to the Klik-hand sign and all. It's just a very loose comparison.

You can definitely give Punk his props for wearing his heart on his sleeve but when you say shit repeatedly about coming and saying some shit to your face, don't be shocked when it fuckin happens. You being gifted a spot in the UFC, getting to train with a top gym, that doesn't make you the toughest guy in the business or even in AEW. We're now hearing rumblings that Punk had been planning this for weeks which explains why he was so adamant on sticking to a script even if the questions weren't being asked. He definitely sounded like Bret and I'm shocked he didn't give the EVPs and Tony a 4/10

[Nash Diesel]

Here's my question....When was the last time Colt Cobana talked about CM Punk?

[Donald]

No one's gonna sit next to Vince, Hunter, Heyman, maybe even Bischoff, and bad mouth the promotion or anyone because all of those people have earned respect.

Tony Khan grew up loving and watching the business, however never took part until now. So he's a fanboy with money. He has yet to earn any respect.

[Defrost]

You may want to go watch some 1990s convention footage if you don't think ECW guys would shit talk Paul E and ECW to his face in front of lots of people.

[Nash Diesel]

I'd love to see this footage of ECW guys shooting on Paul E and ECW at these conventions in the 90's.

[Donald]

Didn't they shoot on him failing to pay them?

[Nash Diesel]

Didn't they shoot on him failing to pay them?

I don't know I'll wait for Defrost to link us to one of those 90's conventions where the talent were shoot burying the company and Paul Heyman.

[Donald]

I'd like to see some of those too

[Nash Diesel]

They don't exist that's why you're not finding them.

[Mazer]

I don't know anything about the conferences. The Rise and Fall of ECW had some balanced perspective on Paul as a business owner imho.

[Donald]

Yeah, but knowing that was produced by WWE, I'm sure all the perspectives were scripted.

[Mazer]

Certainly not unbiased.

But I think what they put out was one of the stronger vids of that era, and did include Paul giving his perspective, even on the critiques.

A lot of the things people like Bubba said, i think can somewhat be taken at face value.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't know anything about the conferences. The Rise and Fall of ECW had some balanced perspective on Paul as a business owner imho.


Certainly not unbiased.

But I think what they put out was one of the stronger vids of that era, and did include Paul giving his perspective, even on the critiques.

A lot of the things people like Bubba said, i think can somewhat be taken at face value.

Oh yeah we're not talking about post-ECW stuff. Defrost said there are conventions with ECW wrestlers shooting on Paul Heyman while he sits next to them and I'm just wanting to see the footage. I'm not even disputing what he's saying I just want to see this 90's conventions because that sounds cool.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Ask Shane Douglas at any wrestling convention from the 90's to present day and he'll bitch out Paul E. over the $40,000 Paul still owes him.

[Donald]

I'll get in my time machine and do just that.

Present day sucks

[Badger]

I'll get in my time machine and do just that.

Present day sucks

I’m also gonna jump in a time machine back to when you were Donald. You are forever and will always be Donald to me. Dave Wyndorf just isn’t the same.