All Elite Wrestling

[Psycho666Soldier]

Pretty hot show with a wild crowd. The way they reacted to Cole/Christian like it was a dream match floored me.

[BGMaverick]

Pretty hot show with a wild crowd. The way they reacted to Cole/Christian like it was a dream match floored me.

Helps that the match was good too. It was hilarious that either Christian walked out the wrong way or the camera just didn't protect him as it just outright showed him getting out of town as that brawl was going on lol.

[Horatio]

You are a very random individual. You should watch Briscoes/FTR though, everyone should.

If you were to Google what you intended to do, like maybe "watch wrestling", you may be surprised by what you find.
Well yesterday was Wonder Years star Jason Hervey's 50th birthday. Nothing random about that.
Also, did you know he came up with the Latino World Order concept? Wayne f'n Arnold!!!

[Badger]

How long’s Kip gonna wear that box for? :lol:

Christian/Cole, the table match (minus that flub on the Jeff elimination) and FTR/Bucks and seeing Joe again were all great.

[Psycho666Soldier]

That's been Kip this whole time?!

[Badger]

He hyped the gimmick on social media way back in September last year.

[Nash Diesel]

Pretty hot show with a wild crowd. The way they reacted to Cole/Christian like it was a dream match floored me.

Every show. Every match. That's the vibe. You've been watching just as long as I have. Adam Cole, CM Punk, Ruby Riot, they all get the same reaction, the same love from the crowd. Everyone is equal. Scorpio Sky, MJF, Danielson, Dax, Cash, Shawn Spears, Big Show, all main eventers if you judge the crowd response.

[Donald]

You must be desperate for entertainment if you're cheering for Shawn Spears.

Not sure who Scorpio Sky is, but the rest I could see cheering for.

[Badger]

Spear is average in the ring but still a great heat magnet.

[Donald]

True story, when I used Twitter, Shawn Spears and Kevin Nash were the only two wrestlers ever to respond to me on there. This was probably 10-15 years ago now. I believe Spears was just released from the ECW brand, and I said I hope to see him back in the WWE again. I liked him back then.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Every show. Every match. That's the vibe. You've been watching just as long as I have. Adam Cole, CM Punk, Ruby Riot, they all get the same reaction, the same love from the crowd. Everyone is equal. Scorpio Sky, MJF, Danielson, Dax, Cash, Shawn Spears, Big Show, all main eventers if you judge the crowd response.

That's not exactly true, though. Some of the crowds are a little quieter. Some matches don't get as big of a reaction. Like there's goodwill so the fans always make it sound like they give a fuck, but night's like last night are examples of when the crowd has the extra hype.

[Nash Diesel]

That's not exactly true, though. Some of the crowds are a little quieter. Some matches don't get as big of a reaction. Like there's goodwill so the fans always make it sound like they give a fuck, but night's like last night are examples of when the crowd has the extra hype.

It just seems like every match for every show that same energy carriers throughout. You're right, it does rise a little more often in certain matches/towns but it's almost like a courtesy. Like in Japan, everyone is pretty much quiet sans a few spots here and there, usually toe holds or the iron claw bullshit lol. In AEW it's kind of the opposite. It's like that parent who cheers for EVERY kid not just their own.

[MTR]

I guess we are setting up Danhausen vs Hook for Danhausen's first match in AEW. That should be interesting. Should be soon too since Danhausen is booked for a match later this month on the indy circuit.

And last night they announced coming back to St. Louis. Stoked. Definitely going to grab a ticket for me and my daughter. Son will be working summer camp by then.

[Bert]

I guess we are setting up Danhausen vs Hook for Danhausen's first match in AEW. That should be interesting. Should be soon too since Danhausen is booked for a match later this month on the indy circuit.

And last night they announced coming back to St. Louis. Stoked. Definitely going to grab a ticket for me and my daughter. Son will be working summer camp by then.

Hold up, when is AEW coming back to STL? I only see Independence MO on AEWtix.com.

[MTR]

The following week after they hit Independence. If you to go Ticketmaster you will see it. Tickets go on sale next week. They had a graphic on the screen at some point last night.

[Bert]

The following week after they hit Independence. If you to go Ticketmaster you will see it. Tickets go on sale next week. They had a graphic on the screen at some point last night.

Awesome, June 15th for Dynamite and Rampage. I'm going to try to go.

[MTR]

Yeah my plan is to take my daughter so she can see Orange Cassidy. Even if he is not wrestling. :lol: Hoping tickets are too bad. Probably not since it is at Chafitez.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/6Y7UTpZ.png

:rofl:

[Donald]

I guess body shaming is funny.

[Psycho666Soldier]

https://twitter.com/njpwworld/status/1512354561310310404

From what I can glean from the translation, all episodes of Dynamite and Rampage will be on NJPWWorld, at least going forward. Including plans for a weekly livestream.

[Bert]

Came here to post that.

https://i.imgur.com/fiZux6c.png

[Tainted Eclipse]

https://i.imgur.com/6Y7UTpZ.png

:rofl:

I’ve been enjoying manard a lot lately. Definitely would like to see him spotlighted more as a character

[Tainted Eclipse]

Wow that njpw deal is something. Make All Out a big AEW vs new Japan super card

[Nash Diesel]

That's dope. I really liked WCW v. New Japan and ROH v. New Japan. Always wanted WWE v. New Japan in the modern era but I'll settle for the past.

[Ringo]

I really hope we get to see Danielson in the G1 now that Japan is opening up. Hopefully they'll be allowing crowd noise by then. In that Meltzer interview Danielson said he'd talked about going over to do the G1 with three other AEW wrestlers and how awesome it'd be if they were allowed to go. I wonder who the other three are....

FTR/Bucks was class. FTR with one hell of a babyface performance, who would've thought? Dax especially is having a fantastic year. What a worker he has become. I enjoyed an Adam Cole match too. Christian's just that good. Tables match was ugly but kind of enjoyable as a car crash. Doesn't look like this Hardys run has any legs. Jade Cargill = $$$.

Seen talk that Wheeler Yuta vs. Moxley on Rampage this week is well worth going out of your way to see.

[MTR]

Yeah I saw on facebook that post this morning from New Japan. That is great.

I really want to see Danielson go do the G1.

[BGMaverick]

Meltzer gave Cole/Christian 4.0 as his rating, and FTR/Bucks a 4.75.

[Nash Diesel]

I just want to see Danielson v. Naito. I prefer it happening at WK and not a random G1 match.

[MTR]

I bet that would be a great match.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Give me Darby/Hiromu

[Ringo]

Give me Darby/Hiromu

I'd be legitimately concerned for their welfare before it had even begun.

[kdestiny]

I'd be legitimately concerned for their welfare before it had even begun.

Better hope Kota doesn't want any part of it

[Peter Griffin]

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1512479987672432640?t=lCI5Xp-xi8TZlJxajfVLMA&s=19

Maybe TK should stick to the coke because whatever drug he is on today is fucking him up.

[Peter Griffin]

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1512480599256100869?t=T_kSrAPqKwDIplwY8N7uwg&s=19

Dude literally said do your own research :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

I think this is beyond cocaine lol

[MTR]

:lol: WTF

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

He's finally cracked.

[Nash Diesel]

Sensory overload. Happens all the time. Look what this kind of sudden fame did to people like Kurt Cobain.

[Peter Griffin]

Fuck sake now every aew stan is replying 'found a bot' to anyone questioning wtf Tony is on about.

[Horatio]

To be fair, the anti-AEW crowds I see on IG do tend to be proWWE marks complaining about Ruby Riott's disappearence from main shows, so yeah, someone better look into this trolling. No one is that punk rock and anti-AEW and tying their own shoes from day-to-day...

[Peter Griffin]

Right...

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/WEkVESZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/rHITlo2.png

:lol:

[Bert]

I'm the most excited for Yuta vs Mox tonight. People that were there say it was great.

[Dreyski]

Fuck sake now every aew stan is replying 'found a bot' to anyone questioning wtf Tony is on about.

Sounds just like what a bot would say...:shifty:

[Dreyski]

And FTR/the Bucks was FIRE.

[Donald]

Forgot the word dumpster

[Bert]

It's not good trolling if it's not even slightly believable.

[Bert]

Suzuki vs Joe for the ROH TV title next week.

[Defrost]

That long ass commercial break should win worst promotional tactic

[Defrost]

Helluva match

[BGMaverick]

Hate the commercial break but Mox/Yuta was a major banger. Yuta lost a ton of blood but he looked like a million bucks by the end. A star-making performance and capped it off by writing BCC on his chest with his own blood. Great stuff.

[Ringo]

Yuta wins the respect of William Regal after bringing it to Mox and refusing to stay down. Buckets of blood. What a match!

[Horatio]

Right...
I didn't come across such AEW hate until so many WWE guys got fired and now their main argument is AEW doesn't properly use all of their wondrous talents.
Ruby Riot=punk rock>cyberpunks>cyborgs

You can't believe in punk rock unless you also believe in cyborgs.

Okay, okay, Peter, you can believe what you want. It's only human natural.

[Badger]

Tony Khan vs The Daleks for Double Or Nothing

[Horatio]

Is Wheeler Yuta gonna keep his Marty Jannetty-pants if he's BCC now?

I would have him wear maroon trunks and Regal's old boots. He looks like he's in training as is.

[Tainted Eclipse]

I liked the danielson match more but tremendous respect for yuta for hitting a true crimson mask bladejob, which is a lost art even as blood is making a comeback

[Horatio]

I'm glad I started recording Rampage. I really like what we're seeing from Moxley and Yuta lately, but Danielson/Trent is definitely a recent dream match for me. And hearing it's got TE's stamp of approval is *chef's kiss* ... actually, better than *chef's kiss* ... it's FRENCH *chef's kiss* ... it's *french maids kiss*ing me good news.

Will watch tonight.

[VHS]

Never understood the Yuta love until I watched his Mox match. That was flippin' good.

[Donald]

Yuta man now, dog.

[VHS]

Yuta man now, dog.

:lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2lGqMgIJHg

[Horatio]

I think I enjoyed their last match and last night's Trent match better, I really hope they flesh the fuck out of the characers in BCC and Best Friends. Their could be some nWo level drama and intrigue if they go into the complications of okaying violence and leaving your friends and shit. Trent is already saying fok, this ain't what being friends is bout and that's a great start.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Moxley/Yuta was fucking fire. Top 10 match of the year for me so far. Excellent fire, really good moments for Yuta, and a perfect post-match. I was getting ready to fall asleep for the night and this shit woke me up.

Bryan/Berreta was dope, too. All around a really good episode of Rampage.

[Badger]

Very verrry small minor nitpicky point to Moxley/Yuta but why was Regal not commentating on that like he did Bryan/Trent?

Other than that 99.99% out of 100% for that match. Bryan/Trent was fire too and Regal putting over Trent too. Trent taking his advice and splitting from Best Friends as well would be great. Orange will be like wtf and need to step up too or they turn heel on him not wanting to be huggy best pals and not giving the people what they want, give themselves what they want instead.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Very verrry small minor nitpicky point to Moxley/Yuta but why was Regal not commentating on that like he did Bryan/Trent?

Other than that 99.99% out of 100% for that match. Bryan/Trent was fire too and Regal putting over Trent too. Trent taking his advice and splitting from Best Friends as well would be great. Orange will be like wtf and need to step up too or they turn heel on him not wanting to be huggy best pals and not giving the people what they want, give themselves what they want instead.

I've actually been wondering if they're planting seeds for Regal and Bryan and the rest of the stable to turn on Mox at some point.

Regal personally walks out with Bryan. In the first Dynamite promo, he has miles of praise for Bryan(calling him the perfect wrestler) and hardly more than a passing mention of Mox. And now he's not on commentary for Mox's match.

Plus, Regal and Mox's bond was forged as enemies unlike with Bryan where he mentored him.

It could just be random decision or a way to bring more impact to him and Bryan walking out post-match, but these little things have been standing out to me and considering their track record, I don't thnk they're unintentional

[Badger]

I've actually been wondering if they're planting seeds for Regal and Bryan and the rest of the stable to turn on Mox at some point.

Regal personally walks out with Bryan. In the first Dynamite promo, he has miles of praise for Bryan(calling him the perfect wrestler) and hardly more than a passing mention of Mox. And now he's not on commentary for Mox's match.

Plus, Regal and Mox's bond was forged as enemies unlike with Bryan where he mentored him.

It could just be random decision or a way to bring more impact to him and Bryan walking out post-match, but these little things have been standing out to me and considering their track record, I don't thnk they're unintentional

Never thought of that and that would be a fucking fantastic angle if they all ended up heel against a lone wolf Mox.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i really want a big FTR vs. mox/danielson match before the group splits.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Same, that match would rule

If a split is the plan, I don't think it'll happen any time soon. It's probably like 6 months to a year down the line. But I can smell it.

[Badger]

MJF come down and cost FTR the match to pull a swerve and also be a dick after they were already questioning him about Wardlow. Not clean but keeps both teams strong.

[Nash Diesel]

WWE preventing most of the fans from seeing blood on the big stage for 10-15 years makes it almost a given that if you bleed, in any way shape or form=over.

Yuta still sucks.

I do agree we're going to see Regal and Bryan turn on Moxley. Maybe Moxley can do a James Ellsworth with Yuta and they team up to battle Bryan ala AJ/Ambrose feud? Either way, the best thing going to for AEW right this second is Bryan and Moxley. Outside of Regal anything beyond that doesn't really matter to me as long as we get Mox v. Danielson.

[Badger]

Say what you will about the AEW and according to Khan (the Daleks! EXTERMINATE!). Jokes aside, one thing I find AEW do very well (though some may disagree) is the slow burn and not have matches right away. WWE blow PPV-like shit in the build-up but AEW are generally better in the build.

[Badger]

Yeah they do hardcore shit matches during the week maybe best saves for PPV, but slow build story-wise I think they have an edge.

[Badger]

WWE preventing most of the fans from seeing blood on the big stage for 10-15 years makes it almost a given that if you bleed, in any way shape or form=over.

Yuta still sucks.

I do agree we're going to see Regal and Bryan turn on Moxley. Maybe Moxley can do a James Ellsworth with Yuta and they team up to battle Bryan ala AJ/Ambrose feud? Either way, the best thing going to for AEW right this second is Bryan and Moxley. Outside of Regal anything beyond that doesn't really matter to me as long as we get Mox v. Danielson.

Up until match, barely paid attention when he was with Best Friends as not that familiar of his prior work but dude bled his heart out (maybe too much lol) and gave it all. AEW loves blood but that dude fucking brought it. Won’t quite say as epic as Bret/Stone Cold finish but lite, Yuta passing out at the end at the very least gave small reminders of it (obv not the double turn but Yuta passing bit from blood). Small shades there to me.

Although agree with whoever it was that said his trunks need to change if he’s gonna be part of the group.

[Bert]

https://twitter.com/njpwglobal/status/1512953872465412099?t=6cBz4uflzV41vkHx9fKSrw&s=19

ON SIGHT

[Horatio]

https://twitter.com/njpwglobal/status/1512953872465412099?t=6cBz4uflzV41vkHx9fKSrw&s=19

ON SIGHT
Dat's whutsup

[Nash Diesel]

Say what you will about the AEW and according to Khan (the Daleks! EXTERMINATE!). Jokes aside, one thing I find AEW do very well (though some may disagree) is the slow burn and not have matches right away. WWE blow PPV-like shit in the build-up but AEW are generally better in the build.

Apples and oranges. AEW do 4 ppvs a year.

With that said. I don't like the repetitive matches and sadly it's nothing new at all. Austin v. Undertaker I think happened about 400 times in 2 years according to Kevin Nash. I don't know why WWE don't space out these matches more often. It's not consistent, but it's enough to where we notice it. Usually with midcarders. Think about how many times Balor v. Priest happened or Crews v. Big E?

[Sasori]

I think I enjoyed their last match and last night's Trent match better, I really hope they flesh the fuck out of the characers in BCC and Best Friends. Their could be some nWo level drama and intrigue if they go into the complications of okaying violence and leaving your friends and shit. Trent is already saying fok, this ain't what being friends is bout and that's a great start.

Best Friends should be the first real feud for the BCC. Trent and Chuck haven't done much in a while and I think they still have something to offer in the greater scheme of things.


Very verrry small minor nitpicky point to Moxley/Yuta but why was Regal not commentating on that like he did Bryan/Trent?

Other than that 99.99% out of 100% for that match. Bryan/Trent was fire too and Regal putting over Trent too. Trent taking his advice and splitting from Best Friends as well would be great. Orange will be like wtf and need to step up too or they turn heel on him not wanting to be huggy best pals and not giving the people what they want, give themselves what they want instead.

You could say that Regal never thought Trent stood a chance against Bryan, so he was happy to sit on commentary. With Yuta vs Mox, Regal was more invested in the outcome and wanted to give it his full attention.

[Nash Diesel]

IMO they realized Regal is better than everyone at the booth and didn't want him shitting on Excalibur like he tends to do. Which is glorious.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/X5H6gQ8.png

[Mazer]

They should beat that on Friday.

And yes to Nash as well.

Regal is better than the booth

[Nash Diesel]

Probably be higher if the bots weren't brainwashing people to hate AEW or whatever the fuck Bert's tweeker brother rambled about the other night during a Jon Jones coke binge.

[Bert]

Berty Khan is my full name.

[Ringo]

IMO they realized Regal is better than everyone at the booth and didn't want him shitting on Excalibur like he tends to do. Which is glorious.

I mean, Regal started off by saying he didn't know who Excalibur is and since then has repeatedly praised him because he seems genuinely surprised by how good he is. But don't let the truth get in the way of another inane Nash Diesel post, eh.

[Nash Diesel]

I mean, Regal started off by saying he didn't know who Excalibur is and since then has repeatedly praised him because he seems genuinely surprised by how good he is. But don't let the truth get in the way of another inane Nash Diesel post, eh.

I'm talking about how they interact on the show you mark. But Excalibur still sucks. Him, Byron, and the guy on Level up with Nigel=worst since Mike Adamle and Coach.

[Bert]

Excalibur and Tazz are the best together.

[Nash Diesel]

Excalibur and Tazz are the best together.

Terrible. Tazz is pretty bad these days. Honestly never really liked Tazz after he left WWE. His pairings with Michael Cole and Joey Styles were very good. TNA not so much. AEW he's better than everyone but JR and Regal.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/dtzl1Nx3epY

[Badger]

Terrible. Tazz is pretty bad these days. Honestly never really liked Tazz after he left WWE. His pairings with Michael Cole and Joey Styles were very good. TNA not so much. AEW he's better than everyone but JR and Regal.

Is JR still really that good though? It’s nice what AEW are doing for him but still…big shell of his former shelf IMO. Excalibur I don’t think is terrible and is fine so don’t get the hate for him really.

[Mazer]

I mean, Regal started off by saying he didn't know who Excalibur is and since then has repeatedly praised him because he seems genuinely surprised by how good he is. But don't let the truth get in the way of another inane Nash Diesel post, eh.

Which is actually just one more reason that Regal is a delight.


Overall, I find the booth...fine. Regal though is class.

[Mazer]

I watched some Prime Time Wrestling on Peacock the other day.


Lord Alfred Hayes would get killed these days.

[Nash Diesel]

Is JR still really that good though? It’s nice what AEW are doing for him but still…big shell of his former shelf IMO. Excalibur I don’t think is terrible and is fine so don’t get the hate for him really.

JR's projection and voice in general make any match 10x better. Excalibur sounds like every other random mark announcer we've had the last 20 years.

[Badger]

JR's projection and voice in general make any match 10x better. Excalibur sounds like every other random mark announcer we've had the last 20 years.

He’s just not the same to me but that’s just time and his mistakes are getting ever more frequent. Dude’s a commentating legend and will look back fondly on him when he does eventually hang it up but he doesn’t carry the matches the way he used to.

Excalibur while not a great standout the likes of a Regal is now when in the booth I think calls the matches fine.

[Nash Diesel]

He’s just not the same to me but that’s just time and his mistakes are getting ever more frequent. Dude’s a commentating legend and will look back fondly on him when he does eventually hang it up but he doesn’t carry the matches the way he used to.

Excalibur while not a great standout the likes of a Regal is now when in the booth I think calls the matches fine.

Excalibur calls a match like he has the script in front of him. When his praise is simply he calls matches fine, everyone like that is boring. He doesn't really have anyone emotion that comes through as genuine.

JR has always been rough around the edges. Nobody has ever said JR does just fine.

[Mazer]

Right now, I have JR as a little better than average. Which is about where I've had most of the play by play guys I've been good with the past few years (Mauro was a beautiful shooting star).

He doesn't have the sharpness or witticisms he used to. It doesn't pop as much. There's nothing really special.

But he does still have some vocal talent, obviously "gets" the business and keeps you in the match. He doesn't become self-aggrandizing like some of the worst announcers.

I don't think I've ever watched a match where I found my enjoyment amplified or diminished by Excalibur or Tony. Not to say there are no moments, but nothing pops.

[Bert]

When Excalibur was gone for a few weeks I found it very noticeable.

[Nash Diesel]

JR just doesn't have anyone good to play off of. Tony has never been good. Ever. Bobby Heenan and Dusty carried WCW commentary. Excalibur is too much of a smart mark and Tazz is mediocre at best without Cole or Styles. JR with King or Vince or Mr Perfect=money. Without them he's still the best he just doesn't have the God level performances like he did with King in the 90's or The Body in WCW.

[VHS]

Excalibur has remained constant as the worst part about AEW.

[Mazer]

When Excalibur was gone for a few weeks I found it very noticeable.

You enjoyed it a lot less or just the vibe was noticeably different?

[Bert]

You enjoyed it a lot less or just the vibe was noticeably different?

Both. The holes were glaring when it came to things he would have commented on had he been there.

[Mazer]

Fair enough. I don't find him as someone that hits anything particularly well, but I've never had a "DAMN YOU EXCALIBUR" moment.



So I guess I'm not a bot....yet

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/3DzJBGg.jpeg

[Nash Diesel]

Fair enough. I don't find him as someone that hits anything particularly well, but I've never had a "DAMN YOU EXCALIBUR" moment.



So I guess I'm not a bot....yet

Bert likes when Excalibur gives those nothing tidbits about so and so's time in CHIKARA or how he wrestled Black 15 years ago in Munich.


https://i.imgur.com/3DzJBGg.jpeg

Dream match and they're just giving it away. Thanks Tony!

[Mazer]

That always reminds me of baseball announcing. Where somewhere in the 6th inning on a local game, they just start talking about events from 15 years ago. Fair play.

[Bert]

I do like hearing the history of the wrestlers. He's right.

[MTR]

I really like Excalibur. I think he brings things together and like it is said it is noticeble when he is not there. I don't think he is some great talent but he brings info to the table that is nice and gives some context and he actually knows all the damn moves that the wrestlers are doing.

Honestly back when I watched Dark all the time I loved Excalibur and Tazz as a team. They played off each other well and it was fun. They don't do that as much on Rampage since there is more people there with them.

JR is past his prime but still does a decent job in my view. He struggles at times and that is fine since he has two other men to help.

I enjoy Schiavone. He has a lot of emotion which is nice.

Jericho is hit and miss to be honest. I enjoy him at times and other times not so much.

I love Regal right now when he steps in during matches for his guys.

[Tainted Eclipse]

https://i.imgur.com/3DzJBGg.jpeg

feels like this will end up a bad kind of styles clash. but it's certainly a very interesting matchup on paper and im interested to see it.

[Bert]

Full card:
https://i.imgur.com/aRk8Yn5.jpeg

https://youtu.be/AFzDOOKq20c

[mth]

As someone who pops on AEW on occasion, every time I've tuned into AEW, Excalibur's always seemed like a pretty good commentator. Not really standing out but doing what he needs to be doing. Tazz is fucking hilarious. JR is mostly sad. Seems like they usually have four guys in the booth and it's too much.

[Mazer]

I do like hearing the history of the wrestlers. He's right.

But do you like hearing the history of wrestling?

[Bert]

But do you like hearing the history of wrestling?

Is this a joke?

https://i.imgur.com/rpwc0iF.jpeg

This should be interesting. I heard there was an overun but I wasn't thinking it would be that long.

[MTR]

Now I have to remember how to adjust my dvr. :lol: Been a while. Interesting that there would be that much of an overrun.

[Donald]

3 hour dynamites will here soon

[Morrison]

it's not gonna be a half hour overrun. you can only set dvr's in certain increments, which is meltzer is saying set it for a half hour.

[MTR]

It would seem I have to record what is coming behind dynamite. No option to extend the time on a recording despite people asking for it years.

[MTR]

it's not gonna be a half hour overrun. you can only set dvr's in certain increments, which is meltzer is saying set it for a half hour.

My old dvr I could set it for whatever I wanted. I used to have run go for like 20 minutes. Seems like Directtv Stream doesn't do customized times....

[Mazer]

Is this a joke?

https://i.imgur.com/rpwc0iF.jpeg

This should be interesting. I heard there was an overun but I wasn't thinking it would be that long.

Not a great one. More of a conversation filler than anything else.

For some reason about every jpeg you post is blocked on my work server. I wish you would do something about that.

[Bert]

I always rehost on imgur so your work must have imgur blocked.

[Nash Diesel]

That always reminds me of baseball announcing. Where somewhere in the 6th inning on a local game, they just start talking about events from 15 years ago. Fair play.

Baseball.....If you want to cure insomnia put on baseball commentary. There's nothing more boring than listening to some monotone commentator start talking about a Cubs/Phillies game from 2005 that nobody saw.

Personally I find that comparison to be spot on and only fuel my negativity toward Just Fine Excalibur.

Plus the mask...fuckin ridiculous lol.

[Badger]

Think it’s all down to personal opinion on that front really. I quite like historical facts on commentary myself and JR used to be good with historical facts too.

I will say that on the Dynamite team at least that there are maybe too many straight face PBP guys on the booth and they only get the colour commentary when there’s a fourth guest and four is too many really. A 3 man booth including a more permanent heel doing colour would be ideal.

[Nash Diesel]

Think it’s all down to personal opinion on that front really. I quite like historical facts on commentary myself and JR used to be good with historical facts too.

I will say that on the Dynamite team at least that there are maybe too many straight face PBP guys on the booth and they only get the colour commentary when there’s a fourth guest and four is too many really. A 3 man booth including a more permanent heel doing colour would be ideal.

JR never pulled some random bullshit during Austin v. Undertaker like "You know Summerslam is the 15th time they've wrestled the first being back in 1990 at the Sportatorium when Undertaker wore a mask and Austin was STUNNING Steve Austin" It just didn't happen. He rambled about their past accomplishments in college football but even in WCW he wasn't really taking the focus off the company trying to build it's own steam.

Some might give a shit that The Young Bucks and 2.0 had a match in PWG 7 years ago at the Battle of Los Angeles 27 or that Pockets was Fire Ant or whatever nonsense.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Why would people not care about that, though? Those facts can make a TV match that could be otherwise random more important. Someone might get more invested if they know that these two have a history and so-and-so has never beaten "x" in his career. Mauro did that shit on his Smackdown debut during a match Becky had and it made the whole thing feel like a bigger deal than it was promoted as.

[Mazer]

Obviously there's a time and place for about any type of reference. To me a lot of it is about tone and frequency. The baseball thing is kind of like when a game is meandering, and it feels like filler. Or it becomes overly repetitive. That can sometimes feel like minutia to me, and sometimes distracts from what is currently happening.

Mauro sounded like he was enjoying the match, stayed in the moment, and his references enhanced. He had wit. Prime JR was like that. Yes, his enunciation wasn't always perfect, but he now how to vary his tones, use his voice, etc. I don't mid if a guy sometimes has some misses if they occasionally really enhance something (like I've been more out on Graves a few times recently, but I liked his work during Rhodes/Rollins).



Though obviously, everyone has a different preference for how they like to watch a show. We all judge announcing like we do driving. Anybody driving faster or slower than what I prefer is either a fucking maniac or an idiot.

[Donald]

If yelling Stone Cold! Stone Cold! and Boomer Sooner! is wit, then I have hope.

[Morrison]

lol at mauro's references enhancing anything. god I'm glad that guy fucked off out of wrestling.

[Bert]

I loved Mauro. His passion for the product was a welcome thing in NXT black and gold.

[Nash Diesel]

Why would people not care about that, though? Those facts can make a TV match that could be otherwise random more important. Someone might get more invested if they know that these two have a history and so-and-so has never beaten "x" in his career. Mauro did that shit on his Smackdown debut during a match Becky had and it made the whole thing feel like a bigger deal than it was promoted as.

Because they don't. If they did more people would be watching the show and praising Excalibur.

[Nash Diesel]

Mauro is great. Not because of some useless tidbit he might through out but because of the overall package. It wasn't like he did that stuff all the time anyway it was his energy and knowledge of the moves=money.

[Mazer]

lol at mauro's references enhancing anything. god I'm glad that guy fucked off out of wrestling.

Morrison, why do you hate happiness?

[Nash Diesel]

Mauro's biggest downfall was him always trying to compare a situation or a match or a talent to something obscure.

Sometimes it was feeling a little racist. I can't tell you how many times a black performer would be out there and suddenly 50 year old Mauro was like "Bianca got the Kodak Black swag going on!" He just tried too hard sometimes to connect a situation to something outside of the bubble and he was guilty of this in Pride and other MMA promotions.

I'll never forget him trying to explain to Bas Rutten why a fight was like if WWF's Triple H and WCW's Bill Goldberg finally settled their differences....That is some straight up dirtsheet mark shit based on that interaction the 2 who had a convention or whatever it was where Trips and Goldy talked shit to each other back in the day. It's that kind of nonsense that just takes you out of it.

[Mazer]

I'll never forget him trying to explain to Bas Rutten why a fight was like if WWF's Triple H and WCW's Bill Goldberg finally settled their differences....

...When did this happen and why in blue hell have you not posted a link?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Because they don't. If they did more people would be watching the show and praising Excalibur.

I've heard plenty of people praise Excalibur. About as much as I've heard people say they don't like him. Just like Mauro. So as Mazer said, it's ok to not like Excalibur. That doesn't mean your opinion of him is the absolute rule that applies to everyone else.

[Morrison]

I loved Mauro. His passion for the product was a welcome thing in NXT black and gold.


Morrison, why do you hate happiness?

he STINKS.

[Tainted Eclipse]

excalibur is a very solid announcer. i don't think he adds much personality to the broadcast, which is what i think they're lacking. one of the complaints for ages about WWE has been the terrible announcing -- i'd like it if AEW reached for that differential and did their best to put on really remarkable announcing, rather than perfectly fine announcing, which is what they do. not that it's so easy to find announcers who have memorable personalities and chemistry like JR and King did, though.

[Bert]

I've heard plenty of people praise Excalibur. About as much as I've heard people say they don't like him. Just like Mauro. So as Mazer said, it's ok to not like Excalibur. That doesn't mean your opinion of him is the absolute rule that applies to everyone else.

The SquaredCircle subreddit in particular loves him and Taz, individually and together. Those posts get a few thousand upvotes.

[Nash Diesel]

The problem I have is being spoiled with the greats. It's one thing to watch people on a DVD or the Network and respect how good Gorilla Monsoon was but to be a kid/teen growing up with that iconic 80's and 90's era. Plus there are a lot of people especially fans of WWE and AEW who have settled for mediocrity because that's their life. No risk, everything is meant to be how it is because someone else said so.

Mauro IMHO is one of the best commentators in wrestling of the modern era no doubt. I would say top 10 of the last 25 years. I love him calling MMA and boxing too but man I wish he was still in the WWE or even just NXT.

[Bert]

Fightul says the AEW video game is targeting a September 2022 release date.

[Donald]

All the companies should work together and have all wrestlers in one mega game

[Tainted Eclipse]

that was one of the best segments AEW has ever done

[Mazer]

If someone asked me how much more could I love bcc, I would have to answer "none".

None more. My love for BCC defies the structures of conventional syntax.

[Bert]

that was one of the best segments AEW has ever done

What's this referring to?

[Tainted Eclipse]

What's this referring to?

the wardlow run in on the mjf match

[Bert]

The Wardlow stuff was great.

Huge TK announcement next week. I hope this time it's HBO Max. I feel like it's either that or an announcement for an ROH show on Thursdays. Or maybe that NJPW super show that people want.

[Bert]

Lame ending. I thought that big dude had a mask on at first.

[Morrison]

holy wwe, what an overrun. glad i set my dvr.

[Psycho666Soldier]

A strong episode with a killer main event ending on a fart lol

I don't hate the Jay Lethal stuff, but that tall dude showing up when the lights came back on was the biggest "Who are ya?" moment. Guess AEW needed their Omos.

Is this someone that would be recognized by people who follow the NBA, or is this sort of a head scratcher there, too?

[Bert]

Got my hopes up it was Claudio even if I don't really see him being a heel. Then he goes live on twitch right after dynamite ends.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm trying to figure out who Black is talking about. I was thinking maybe Punk, but this week he made it sound like he was talking about someone he crossed paths with. Honestly wondered if he was talking about Cody.

I hope Hangman beats Cole and we can move on from him and reDRagon doing whatever they're doing with the Bucks, then get Hangman/Punk. Babyface/babyface might be weird if they're not turning one of 'em, but I'd rather it go down like this than Hangman losing to Cole when Hangman's more on fire. Plus I think Hangman/Punk would be better than Cole/Punk anyway.

[Mazer]

A strong episode with a killer main event ending on a fart lol

I don't hate the Jay Lethal stuff, but that tall dude showing up when the lights came back on was the biggest "Who are ya?" moment. Guess AEW needed their Omos.

Is this someone that would be recognized by people who follow the NBA, or is this sort of a head scratcher there, too?

It is a head scratcher there too

[MTR]

Yeah loved the show but that ending was like huh? I like the Lethal stuff but I have no idea who that guy is and why I should care even after Schviane said who he is.

excited about buying Dynamite tickets tomorrow. I think there is a presale today but no clue about any passwords or anything.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I mean, it makes sense. Dude is big and imposing. But when you do the lights off, you're expecting something familiar. Maybe would have been better if dude just walked out instead of the pomp and circumstance.

I just hope he can work well instead of being your typical monster of the week-caliber guy.

[Nash Diesel]

Solid episode last night right?

Highlights:
Joe/Suzuki
Tag title match

Medium Highlights:
BCC segment until Wheeler Humann talked
Punk/Penta

Everything else kind of sucked. Why was Roddy's wife debuting on Dynamite? The crowd popped for the jobber's name and that was it.

Can't really knock the show as it wasn't great and it didn't suck just kind of a filler.

I really hope Hangman beats Cole and we do get Hangman v. Punk. New School v. Old School

[Nash Diesel]

Also, how half assed is this Owen Hart tournament already? We don't know the brackets, matches just get randomly announced.....

Counted last night. Tony Khan was given credit and/or mentioned in every. single. segment.

[MTR]

Shafir and Jade is not going to be a good match like they think it is. I haven't seen Shafir's matches on Dark yet but that one last night was not a good match. They popped for Skye Blue because she is a known indy talent that sadly seems to get squashed in AEW when she is better than that. I saw her at the NWA women's show and some stuff on youtube. Good talent. Not convinced this new threat to Jade is a a good talent. I would rather watch Skye Blue get the title match honestly or a host of others.

I am anxious to see the brackets for the Owen Hart tournaments once we get through these qualifiers. Some of them been okay but looks like a couple sqaushes are coming to get people into the bracket. So yeah that has been kind of a mix bag of feelings but still looking forward to the actual tournaments.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't mind not having the qualifiers laid out in brackets, especially since it's been used as a chance to introduce/highlight some of the newer people coming in like Joe and Toni. Gives a chance for someone like Red Velvet to have more credibility coming into the proper tournament. As long as the brackets are announced once the qualifiers are over. In a big tournament like this, I'm not necessarily expecting most of the qualifiers to be bangers.

[BigAl]

Huge fan of the Wardlow/MJF angle. Last night's run in was great in every sense of the word. Really enjoying how each time it happens there are slightly more security guards holding him back and he's taking out more and more. The payoff for this is going to be a hell of a pop.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't mind not having the qualifiers laid out in brackets, especially since it's been used as a chance to introduce/highlight some of the newer people coming in like Joe and Toni. Gives a chance for someone like Red Velvet to have more credibility coming into the proper tournament. As long as the brackets are announced once the qualifiers are over. In a big tournament like this, I'm not necessarily expecting most of the qualifiers to be bangers.

When it comes to AEW you don't mind anything. Someone takes issue with anything of course Psycho doesn't mind. Mediocrity is not something we should strive for.


Huge fan of the Wardlow/MJF angle. Last night's run in was great in every sense of the word. Really enjoying how each time it happens there are slightly more security guards holding him back and he's taking out more and more. The payoff for this is going to be a hell of a pop.

I've always been a fan of these type of angles going back to stuff like Diesel v. Shawn in 1994-1995.

[MTR]

Yeah I am loving this build up.

[VHS]

I don't mind not having the qualifiers laid out in brackets, especially since it's been used as a chance to introduce/highlight some of the newer people coming in like Joe and Toni. Gives a chance for someone like Red Velvet to have more credibility coming into the proper tournament. As long as the brackets are announced once the qualifiers are over. In a big tournament like this, I'm not necessarily expecting most of the qualifiers to be bangers.

totally. No brackets would be ehh ok, I mean perhaps it lessens the predictability of who’s winning what etc. but it would be odd.

[BGMaverick]

Is this someone that would be recognized by people who follow the NBA, or is this sort of a head scratcher there, too?

No.

A very, very small percentage of people would know who he is. I would be one of them though, haha. I brought him up when AEW touted him as a signing.

[Psycho666Soldier]

When it comes to AEW you don't mind anything. Someone takes issue with anything of course Psycho doesn't mind. Mediocrity is not something we should strive for.



I've always been a fan of these type of angles going back to stuff like Diesel v. Shawn in 1994-1995.

People argue that if they give us banger after banger each week it'll be too much and it'll burn out. Some think giving every low-carder a full match on TV like they could hang is too much. I don't think it's mediocre to showcase some people in smaller qualifier matches, especially when other great matches are happening, and the real highlight will be when the proper tournament is in full gear. Also ignore the fact that I literally complained about the ending last night and thought it was a bad move to end the show.

If the tournament starts proper and they're all shit matches, then sure, it's lame and wish they could do better. But there's nothing wrong or inherently mediocre with getting matches announced a week or a couple shows before as opposed to bracketing the entire thing until we get to the proper thing.

[Bert]

Yeah loved the show but that ending was like huh? I like the Lethal stuff but I have no idea who that guy is and why I should care even after Schviane said who he is.

excited about buying Dynamite tickets tomorrow. I think there is a presale today but no clue about any passwords or anything.

kh37mvp
https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/06005C86CA974E76

[Psycho666Soldier]

totally. No brackets would be ehh ok, I mean perhaps it lessens the predictability of who’s winning what etc. but it would be odd.

No brackets as a whole would be dumb

[MTR]

kh37mvp
https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/06005C86CA974E76

I will check it out what is available with that code. I found another one was mixed on what I saw available.

[MTR]

Are you going Bert?

[VHS]

Finally caught the Dynamite ending and that's some top tier fail right there. Crowd was uhh'ing out loud and the announcers even had to insert (it here) that he plays basketball and that he's been... working out? And he's from India? Ok.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V26auDjkUkQ

[Bert]

Are you going Bert?
Just bought them myself. $63 each after fees. I went for the $53 tickets.

[MTR]

Yeah I was looking at what the fees were going to cost. If I end up doing the $53 tickets for me and daughter it will be $131.50 total which is not bad. May end up buying tomorrow and sitting up a little higher and little cheaper. Not sure.

[Bert]

Pat Buck joined AEW as a coach 2 days after he left WWE. He wanted the lighter schedule reportedly. He's also trained a lot of their people along with Meyers.

[Donald]

Man I love huge wrestlers, I should start watching AEW now. Bet he's no Veer though

[Morrison]

Shafir and Jade is not going to be a good match like they think it is. I haven't seen Shafir's matches on Dark yet but that one last night was not a good match. They popped for Skye Blue because she is a known indy talent that sadly seems to get squashed in AEW when she is better than that. I saw her at the NWA women's show and some stuff on youtube. Good talent. Not convinced this new threat to Jade is a a good talent. I would rather watch Skye Blue get the title match honestly or a host of others.

I am anxious to see the brackets for the Owen Hart tournaments once we get through these qualifiers. Some of them been okay but looks like a couple sqaushes are coming to get people into the bracket. So yeah that has been kind of a mix bag of feelings but still looking forward to the actual tournaments.

I've seen a couple of her matches on dark and enjoyed them. i have no clue what the fuck that was supposed to be last night. i assumed it would be a squash to showcase shafir, but nope. insanely clunky. the constant distraction from the baddie section did not help the pacing whatsoever, and made shafir look dumb cause skye would get shots in off it. i don't know what they were trying to accomplish with how this segment was laid out.

[MTR]

She was too focused on the baddies and not focused enough on her match to make sure she looked good. The moves were clunky and looked botched to a degree. If she would have focused a little less on the baddies and a little more on her match to make it look crisp and clean then yeah she would have had a nice squash showcase to show she is a threat while staring down the baddies. Instead the whole thing looked bad. It wouldn't even had to be that much of a difference in effort. But yeah that looked bad last night.

[Nash Diesel]

Wish.com Ronda Rousey is All Elite.

[MTR]

Okay. I laughed. Probably shouldn't have but I laughed.

[mth]

Watched the end of Dynamite on Youtube and couldn't help but think of the meme...

Tony, can we get a Great Khali?

We have a Great Khali at home.

Hopefully AEW don't push their 7'3" Indian dude who does the vice grip as hard as WWE pushed their 7'3" Indian dude who does the vice grip. Seems like he's playing a bodyguard role so probably going to be ok...?

[Nash Diesel]

Watched the end of Dynamite on Youtube and couldn't help but think of the meme...

Tony, can we get a Great Khali?

We have a Great Khali at home.

Hopefully AEW don't push their 7'3" Indian dude who does the vice grip as hard as WWE pushed their 7'3" Indian dude who does the vice grip. Seems like he's playing a bodyguard role so probably going to be ok...?

Pushing Great Khali did them good outside of North America. It's not just about the US, Canada, and western Europe. There's more to wrestling than the White West.

[mth]

Fair point. Personally, I was a Khali fan and really didn't mind most of what they did with him but I certainly felt like one of the very, very, very few. Same with Jinder Mahal's push.

[Donald]

He'll be booked strong for 3-4 months, then lose a match and lose his mystique, just like any other monster.

[Bert]

Wish.com Ronda Rousey is All Elite.


Okay. I laughed. Probably shouldn't have but I laughed.

She was one of the MMA four horsewomen along with Shayna Bazler and Jessamyn Duke also.

[MTR]

I am aware. All they ever used her for in NXT was a flunky for Bazler though along with Duke and then they were off tv after Bazler when to Raw.

[Bert]

Yeah, they never got enough experience for that 4vs4 match they teased. She's also married to Roderick Strong and was supposed to originally be in the Diamond Mine I read.

The entire segment made no sense to me though if you're trying to establish her as a threat to Jade and Jade isn't paying attention at all.

[BGMaverick]

I like the branding of Championship Week for the programming. That said, Battle of the Belts feels pretty flat. For this episode, they really loaded this show up with wrestling and not a lot of talking segments.

The Wardlow stuff is sizzling hot. The presentation is great for Wardlow and there’s impressive progress there.

Woof. The Marina match was really a swing and a miss. The crowd was dead quiet for this. Barely a pulse and this really didn’t do any favors for Marina, who they’ve been trying to hype up.

Yuck segment with Nyla and Thunder.

Worthy main event match for the overrun (albeit brief). Post match angle was the opposite in terms of worthiness for the overrun. Business reasons are fine for a business, but that doesn’t really excuse pulling the trigger on an angle that went over terribly. Say what you will about WWE’s attempt to do it with Jinder but we at least had a track record with Mahal. We’ve got nothing with Singh.

[VHS]

Worthy main event match for the overrun (albeit brief). Post match angle was the opposite in terms of worthiness for the overrun. Business reasons are fine for a business, but that doesn’t really excuse pulling the trigger on an angle that went over terribly. Say what you will about WWE’s attempt to do it with Jinder but we at least had a track record with Mahal. We’ve got nothing with Singh.

As soon as I saw it, I immediately knew I wanted to hear Jim Cornette's thoughts. Oooof, that's gonna be good. :lol:

[Bert]

So the rumor from people who apparently have been right about things in the past is a NJPW/AEW Supershow in Chicago on Thursday, June 23rd.

I guess that's likely the TK announcement and it's cool but man do I want AEW/ROH on HBOMax.

[MTR]

How am I supposed to convince my wife that I need to go to Chicago for a supershow...

[Tainted Eclipse]

So the rumor from people who apparently have been right about things in the past is a NJPW/AEW Supershow in Chicago on Thursday, June 23rd.

I guess that's likely the TK announcement and it's cool but man do I want AEW/ROH on HBOMax.

on a thursday? that seems odd

[MTR]

Yeah Thursday is weird day.

[Defrost]

There seems to be thought that because it leaked from the NJPW that in America it will be Wednesday the usual Dynamite night which would be Thursday in Japan

[Tainted Eclipse]

so do it as a regular two hour dynamite episode? would be cool but seems to undersell the event.

[Defrost]

so do it as a regular two hour dynamite episode? would be cool but seems to undersell the event.

Probably like what they did with the NYC show and it covers both Dynamite and Rampage

[Nash Diesel]

She was one of the MMA four horsewomen along with Shayna Bazler and Jessamyn Duke also.

And? I'm well aware of who she is. She's fuckin garbage and literally only where she is because she was Ronda's practice dummy. I'll never forget her challenging Cyborg before she even had a pro fight I was like....yeah no. She's Ronda's Dillon Danis.

[Mazer]

I always thought Jessamyn might be able to do more. Wonder if it just didn't seem like things were clicking for her at the performance center, and they didn't see it or what happened there.

[MTR]

I remember reading reports at the time they were in NXT that Duke and Shafir were picking things up quickly. But we almost never saw them wrestle so makes you wonder how accurate those "reports" were. Ok we all know how accurate most reports are. :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

I always thought Jessamyn might be able to do more. Wonder if it just didn't seem like things were clicking for her at the performance center, and they didn't see it or what happened there.

She was very awkward. Tall, lanky women move about as graceful as tall lanky men in the ring. She reminded me of El Gigante.


I remember reading reports at the time they were in NXT that Duke and Shafir were picking things up quickly. But we almost never saw them wrestle so makes you wonder how accurate those "reports" were. Ok we all know how accurate most reports are. :lol:

I guess it depends on what they were talking about. I hated that tag-team it was so cringe. Hated the fact those 4 called themselves the 4 Horsewomen when the only one that was remotely good was Ronda. It was like if the original Horsemen were Ric Flair, Pez Whatley, and then 2 no name jobbers who carried Flair's bags.

I'm shocked Psycho hasn't came in here to tell us "oh she works just fine" Remember that hippy teacher from Beavis and Butthead? That's him.

[Mazer]

She was very awkward. Tall, lanky women move about as graceful as tall lanky men in the ring. She reminded me of El Gigante.



I guess it depends on what they were talking about. I hated that tag-team it was so cringe. Hated the fact those 4 called themselves the 4 Horsewomen when the only one that was remotely good was Ronda. It was like if the original Horsemen were Ric Flair, Pez Whatley, and then 2 no name jobbers who carried Flair's bags.

I'm shocked Psycho hasn't came in here to tell us "oh she works just fine" Remember that hippy teacher from Beavis and Butthead? That's him.

The hippie teacher....no. ......Unless, you are simultaneously claiming the gym teacher. And also, I claim the old neighbor. Any other scenario, it's too much of a stretch.



I don't ever remember seeing her in a match. She had good physicality as a fighter, and though it's different I guess I expected some of it to translate.

Some of these people might figure it out later. The performance center is a good model. But nothing works for 100% of people.

[Nash Diesel]

The hippie teacher....no. ......Unless, you are simultaneously claiming the gym teacher. And also, I claim the old neighbor. Any other scenario, it's too much of a stretch.



I don't ever remember seeing her in a match. She had good physicality as a fighter, and though it's different I guess I expected some of it to translate.

Some of these people might figure it out later. The performance center is a good model. But nothing works for 100% of people.

A lot of Dynamite smelled like bad WWE.

[VHS]

I always thought Jessamyn might be able to do more. Wonder if it just didn't seem like things were clicking for her at the performance center, and they didn't see it or what happened there.

I really did too.

Duke's look made her stand out. I was intrigued to see how she would form her style and moveset around her tall, lanky build. While I can only recall literally 2 matches on NXT, she was someone that I was keeping an eye out for. And right off the bat her greenness was so apparent it was almost tangible, but that's how they all start. So many folks that are brand spanking new to pro wrestling move the way she did in her first matches. Bummed that it just never stuck with her. Pro wrestling is such a meat grinder and it's not for everyone, even for MMA fighters.

Shafir though... I saw something in her. She had what I felt Duke lacked which was on air charisma(on NXT). IMO she was the better of the two, better understanding of selling and also more believable offense. I watched her match on Dynamite though and while I think she's onto something with her presentation... she's still not ready for the show. She's still kinda unknown in the wrestling world. People know her name, but there hasn't been enough time for her to establish who she is, what she's about and how she could possibly destroy her opponents. I like her look and her entrance, but there needs to be more. I'm all for a submission heavy folks, but she hasn't figured out how to use what she knows to hook the audience. Which is why nobody cared about her match Wednesday. Her entrance was alright, but you could hear the crickets outside. She's got a long way to go, but I hope she sticks with it. She's onto something though, I just hope she finds the latch to unhook the trailer.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't really see how you saw any of that in Shafir tbh. I thought she was pretty mid from the beginning, and this showing did nothing to change that for me.

[Mazer]

Shafir never really popped for me.

Maybe when AEW debuts mixed tag belts, her and Roddy will have great chemistry. And the Garganos. Strongs, and DDS BAY BAY will have a run for the ages.

[Tainted Eclipse]

battle of the belts tomorrow might be the first AEW show i intentionally skip. hard to imagine a less appealing card

[Donald]

I've intentionally skipped all of them so far. Maybe I'll trade with you and intentionally check Battle of the Belts out.

[Donald]

I've intentionally skipped all of them so far.  Maybe I'll trade with you and intentionally check Battle of the Belts out.

Ah Dalton Castle is on it? Yeah I'll check this out.

[Bert]

Donald, your taste is so random.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I skipped the last one, mostly because I was in catch-up mode and already knew the results, and also because Dustin/Guevara was the only match I cared for.

I do actually wanna see Dalton Castle and the Rosa/Rose match, but I can assume the result of both and won't be watching live, so eh.

Rampage and Dynamite both have killer matches lined up, though.

[Mazer]

I'm not watching Rampage until later. Have to remember to turn off Whatsapp notifications

[Tainted Eclipse]

!!!!!!!! DUSTIN VS PUNK!!

[Bert]

I forgot this was on at 6 today.

[VHS]

I don't really see how you saw any of that in Shafir tbh. I thought she was pretty mid from the beginning, and this showing did nothing to change that for me.

No yeah, you're right. I saw something back on NXT... but didn't know what. Eh.

[Bert]

I read the spoilers for Battle of The Belts 2 and
Sounds like Sammy is going heel after using a low blow to win back the belt so at least there's that but this TNT championship scene could really use some fresh blood. If they're not going to add anyone new I'd rather Miro show up and destroyed them both, to be honest. Also, I guess Athena isn't coming to AEW. Her hometown seemed like the time to do it, to me.

[MTR]

Yeah I read spoilers as well and not sure I will watch it or not tonight.

[Bert]

Sammy had an off night wrestling-wise. Messed up the springboard cutter and seemed gassed as hell at the finish.

Singh looked better here. Should have had him just come through the crowd or even down the ramp instead of the lights out.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/sYaJppxjDlM

Keith Lee answered those questions about "Keith Lee looks like the type of guy" and it was pretty great.

The Eddie Kingston interview was good too.

[Donald]

Dalton castle vs Jonathan Gresham was loads of fun. Big fan of both guys.

[Badger]

he STINKS.

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/cfc/eb8/803df44f5af5251c2a5291e53596004a6c-the-critic-lede.rsquare.w700.jpg

[Badger]

On another note watched Battle of the Belts….yeah meh.

Why did they have the better championship shit on Dynamite and Rampage despite promoting this? Answers on a postcard.

[Donald]

I only saw Castle vs. Gresham and Rosa vs. Rose, but I enjoyed both matches. They probably should have had Page vs. Cole on this show, and maybe put Guevara and Sky on Rampage or somewhere else.

[Mazer]

Any rumors on an Omega return date? Thought it was interesting that Cole mentioned him while shit talking Page.

[Bert]

Any rumors on an Omega return date? Thought it was interesting that Cole mentioned him while shit talking Page.

I feel like Double or Nothing seems likely.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I only saw Castle vs. Gresham and Rosa vs. Rose, but I enjoyed both matches. They probably should have had Page vs. Cole on this show, and maybe put Guevara and Sky on Rampage or somewhere else.


I think this was probably the best call. I can see the argument for wanting to pop the Rampage rating or keeping the result live, though.

[Nash Diesel]

Does it really matter where you put the AEW World title matches these days?

I wish we could all agree that the AEW World title picture has not been very hot since Moxley was champion. Maybe it's the fact that the last 2 champions' star power combined is maybe a fraction of Moxley. Definitely aren't in the same universe as a Jericho.

I'm not even sure it's Adam Page like I thought. It's AEW. They get a few thousand more viewers than a Comedy Central Roast at 2am so I shouldn't be expecting their World champions to be super huge names when someone like Adam Page, in that bubble, is probably a Jericho level superstar lol.

I would rather see Danielson as World champion feuding with Moxley. But that also means more Wheeler Yuta.........I liked him better when he was jumping off his parents deck through a microwave.

[Bert]

Punk will probably have the belt next.

[BGMaverick]

I think this was probably the best call. I can see the argument for wanting to pop the Rampage rating or keeping the result live, though.

It made sense to try to grab more viewers for Rampage with the Death Match. The problem was the different start time, that probably didn't get hammered home as much as it needed to. The other problem was for BOTB2 in the sense that one of the matches featured two people most of this regular audience didn't know much about and the production didn't look to help teach the audience about them.

[Bert]

I totally forgot Rampage was on early and had to watch it online. I'm very used to watching it after my son and wife have went to bed.

[Nash Diesel]

I think Big Show should be the next champ just so he can be the ultimate champion. WCW, WWF, ECW, AEW. Belt God.

CM Punk and Show could renew their rivalry since AEW loves to copy I mean continue other companies stories. Punk gets the win, Show can retire on top like WWE should have let him.

Punk as AEW champion should be the next move. Fantasy booking way out there but I would have MJF take the title off Punk. Bring that shit full circle.

[VHS]

Hook should beat Page yesterday.

[Tyrone]

Give Hook all the damn belts.

[Donald]

Please don't

[Badger]

Give Hook all the damn belts.

“Brooke” with the women’s title.

[MTR]

I am on board with giving Hook all the belts and then finally letting Danhausen curse him.

[Bert]

They should at least give HOOK the TNT belt.

Sammy is a boring character. Hopefully he embraces his heel side and gets more interesting.

I'd love Danhausen cursing people on accident while meaning to curse HOOK and HOOK winning all of the matches because of it.

[Badger]

If Danhausen messed with his potato chips that could work. Or cut his hair when he falls asleep. One or both his probably his power.

[Badger]

Or maybe it’s his speech so somehow curse him with the power of speech. Every word he utters he gets weaker.

[Bert]

Jack Evans is not being re-signed. No word yet on Angelico.

[Donald]

Jack Evans and I share a birthday.

[MTR]

I always liked Evans and Angelico. Not surprised by this though. Have barely seen either one of them in a while. Angelico was on Dark this week I think.

[Nash Diesel]

Yo whatever happened to Jay White?

I was really hoping for Jay White to challenge future next big thing Cash Wheeler Yuta for the ROH Pure championship.

That championship is about as pure as the ring on a Jonas brother. That stench of Yuta will never go away. Man not even CHEESEBURGER got a run with the Pure title. Black Pockets gets no respect.

[Bert]

FTR's deal expires this summer but AEW has an option year they're expected to pick up. Also, WWE is apparently interested. :lol:

Going back to the The Revival would feel like such a step back for them now I feel like.

Not to mention Vince hates tag teams that's why there's what 3 actual tag teams and other people are just thrown together?

[Nash Diesel]

FTR's deal expires this summer but AEW has an option year they're expected to pick up. Also, WWE is apparently interested. :lol:

Going back to the The Revival would feel like such a step back for them now I feel like.

Not to mention Vince hates tag teams that's why there's what 3 actual tag teams and other people are just thrown together?

In a way they would be better off outside of WWE. The WWE no doubt wanted to keep them around and they're one of the best teams out there so it's not a shock WWE would still have interest. I mean, AEW haven't exactly treated them any better or worse. Sometimes they're in some comedy bullshit, sometimes they're treated serious, sometimes they're just....there.

Me personally with how injury prone they are, the WWE life ain't for them so just keep doing what you're doing. I would love to see them come back and be one of those staples those 2-3 teams that will be there for another 5 years. Harwood's pushing 40 though and neither guy seems interested or capable of a singles run at this stage in their careers. Work those small special shows with Bret as your manager, have the freedom to bounce from Mexico to Japan to Puerto Rico like many others did and have.

[MTR]

Did like Yuta piss in your cheerios or something?

[Bert]

When was the FTR comedy bullshit in AEW? Do you just mean a match with the Young Bucks? This is FTRs year for sure though.

[Nash Diesel]

Did like Yuta piss in your cheerios or something?

Sometimes you just have to bring these toxic fans to a coming to Jesus moment. Feels like I'm doing the pro wrestling gods work pretty fuckin well when you think about it.


When was the FTR comedy bullshit in AEW? Do you just mean a match with the Young Bucks? This is FTRs year for sure though.

I mean some of the stuff they were doing with Jurassic Express, Dark Order, come on man don't even act like you forgot about another idiot I had to kill, Marko Stunt.

Marko Stunt, Orange Julius, Hook, soon to be Wheeler Yuta. I remember when some of you were so joyous for Scooby Doo and South Park Jesus.

THANK GOD for the talent that raised their game under the WWE banner. Although I feel bad for Samoa Joe as he's kind of still in WWE with that Great Khali Jr shit going on with magically turned heel Jay Lethal lol. WTF.

[Bert]

I don't know what you're talking about but it wouldn't be the first time you made shit up and acted like it was common knowledge. The Nash Diesel Effect.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/fs6_7ZmzSkg

These videos are so slept on.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't know what you're talking about but it wouldn't be the first time you made shit up and acted like it was common knowledge. The Nash Diesel Effect.

You asked for the comedy bullshit FTR had been in. I didn't make any of that up you just turned a blind eye because you'd have to admit this shit is stupid.

[Bert]

I feel like Statlander might be who beats Jade.

Haven't watched Dark for a while but tonight's was good. The crowd loved Swerve In Our Glory. Tony Nese had a good match too. Marina Shafir also looked way better than on Dynamite and had her normal violin music for her entrance. Worth watching for Taz + Eddie Kingston + Excalibur as the commentary team alone.

https://youtu.be/gzlltevXvnI

[mth]

Strongly considering watching at least some of Dynamite this week with Dustin/Punk and Darby/Andrade.

[Nash Diesel]

For some reason I thought Punk and Dust had fought before but googling I found this hidden gem. CM Punk/Cody Rhodes/Goldust v. The Shield with an appearance by the Wyatt Family. Reminds me of when I was on Hulu last week and stumbled across the Wyatt Family v. The Shield...on MAIN EVENT! The final battle was on a random Main Event.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FhU9faqyVI

[Donald]

Ambrose with hair!

[Nash Diesel]

You know despite the bullshit Authority stuff with Orton v. Big Show and holding back Daniel Bryan, I really enjoyed a lot of the 2013-2014 era. Especially the tag scene. Not a huge number of teams but the Usos/Wyatts/Rhodes Fam/Shield combos ALWAYS delivered. Seriously go back and watch that 2/3 falls match with the Usos v. Harper/Rowan. Incredible.

Quality over quantity.

[Bert]

Owen Hart Legacy AEW theme is out
https://aewrestling.bandcamp.com/track/legacy-owen-hart-aew-theme

[Nash Diesel]

Nyla Rose wants Insane Clown Posse at the Detroit AEW show.

[Defrost]

Sapp reports the AEW/NJPW will be June 26th and be called The Forbidden Door.