All Elite Wrestling

[Badger]

i strongly disliked it actually. does everything have to come down to some over-wrought, "relatable" emotional monologue? to me it was out of character and out of place, and not compelling enough to justify it. classic case of overthinking and over-dramatizing something that doesn't need it.

I can appreciate where you’re coming from there but to me it was a zag when I thought they would zig which I didn’t expect and also a fact I and many others probably didn’t know about him. Took me off guard in a good way. A worked shoot touch of reality doesn’t do any harm.

MJF will still find a way in this to swerve Punk in a way and also still find a way to piss off Wardlow who kayfabe-wise probably also knew but may also still be fooled. Much more intriguing writing than just having MJF just do more cheap heat.

[Horatio]

MJF/booking must have something really evil up their sleeves to cover for whatever last night was about.

I thought it went too long, not to mention the Hollywood perfect tears streaming down his face. Really just didn't appreciate the awkwardness of it all.

[Tainted Eclipse]

overall last night was one of my least favorite episodes in a long time.

[Badger]

I think that’s a bit by design though. However this ends up, the heat will draw..

[Badger]

MJF/booking must have something really evil up their sleeves to cover for whatever last night was about.

I thought it went too long, not to mention the Hollywood perfect tears streaming down his face. Really just didn't appreciate the awkwardness of it all.


I think that’s a bit by design though. However this ends up, the heat will draw

[Badger]

overall last night was one of my least favorite episodes in a long time.

I dunno if it was THAT bad. Got to see Buddy back and a nice nod/wink to him and Black’s history. Kingston/Jericho promo was good. I kinda liked the way it framed Jericho as a heel in a way (which maybe that’s the end game) and will give Kingston a break-out match and moment. Battle Royal was good too with Silver getting good time and pushing the RedDragon/Bucks tension. Good promo by Page too.

One thing that did raise my eyebrow was putting Bunny and Jade in a heel vs heel match but it was alright.

[Horatio]

I think that’s a bit by design though. However this ends up, the heat will draw

True. I do trust that they have some direction in mind.

I'm wondering how ND feels about 2.0 stepping up and putting the boots to Danielson (mighty harsh words included). It could lead to nothing, but for just one night, 2.0 implied that they have never even heard of vanilla.

[Bert]

overall last night was one of my least favorite episodes in a long time.

Kind of crazy because I thought it was one of the best ones in a while and ratings seem to agree.


AEW Dynamite last night on TBS:
1,010,000 viewers
P18-49: 0.40 (517,000)

Up 16% total and up 27% in the demo from last week's low rating.

[BigAl]

Yeah I really enjoyed last night. Watching my wife watch MJF’s promo was great. She went from thinking it was stupid to hanging on every word.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/T5e47Gb.jpeg

[Badger]

Yeah I really enjoyed last night. Watching my wife watch MJF’s promo was great. She went from thinking it was stupid to hanging on every word.

He dropped truth but in a way to get fans to (rightfully feel for him) but also in a way he over-poured it in a way he could pull the rug out from Punk to throw him off his game and pull the rug out from under him. Punk’s reaction (let’s not forget his part here) also sold it and gave doubts as to how this match really will go down.

“Worked shoot” really played well by all parties involved here and makes me look even more excited for the match.

[Horatio]

The absence of MJF's cronies may be a clue to how this develops. Suppose next week there's more heart-to-heart but at the PPV Wardlow and company return at the last moment just when Punk thought they were out of the picture.

[Badger]

I think there’s a chance that Wardlow will not have been clued in, and that’s where that turn could finally happen.

[Dreyski]

One thing that did raise my eyebrow was putting Bunny and Jade in a heel vs heel match but it was alright.

It's odd but showing Cargill's daughter at ringside shows her in a less heelish light to me. What young child wants to see their parent be the villain?

[Tainted Eclipse]

i wish AEW would really put their weight into trying to create a single event somewhat equivalent to wrestlemania. i miss the feeling of the wrestlemania season.

[Bert]

Bryan Danielson on social media

“I have a twitter and here’s a dirty secret which is that I don’t run my social media. While there are times where I will post something on social media but it is very few and far between and most of the time it’s my manager who does it and I don’t know if he wants me to say that but like he’ll post something. It’s just like, one of those things, I don’t want to do it. I don’t want to get caught up… but yeah I mean I think its interesting. You could use social media, social media is just a tool, right? But you have to use it and not let it use you and I think wrestlers can and should, if they want to, use it as a tool”

[Sinner]

Anyone that runs their own twitter is kind of an idiot

[Badger]

Anyone that runs their own twitter is kind of an idiot

At least they permanently suspended Trump but like that’s gonna stop him getting ways round that lol.

1 down, 85745463578 to go!

Have an account but barely use it myself now, causes more harm than good for something that has 100-200 characters per post or whatever the limit is!

[BGMaverick]

My guess for TK’s announcement is they’re purchasing ROH or just purchasing their library to start their own streaming app.

[Bert]

Article with Punk is out for Esquire. I haven't read it yet but heard it was good (yesterday it was exclusive to Apple news)
https://www.esquire.com/sports/a39008053/cm-punk-aew-profile/?utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowTW&utm_campaign=socialflowTWESQ&utm_source=twitter

[Nash Diesel]

Here I'll give you the short version.

He came back to wrestling because the only other company who could afford him in the business didn't want him.

[Bert]

:lol:

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

There's barely anything original in entertainment. Nobody has really moved beyond 1999, maybe pre-9/11 at best. I mean, MADONNA is still a thing

.
Great point.

There hasn't been an original movie in about 40 years.
Being a fan of classic movies from the 30's-60's, Im amazed by how much, both entire films and scenes or characters, is ripped off from older stuff.

[Nash Diesel]

Great point.

There hasn't been an original movie in about 40 years.
Being a fan of classic movies from the 30's-60's, Im amazed by how much, both entire films and scenes or characters, is ripped off from older stuff.

They're few and far between and the ones that are good are even less frequent. Sometimes you'll hear a concept and just be like....how the fuck did TUSK get released?

I'm also fascinated by how many movies from 50-60 years ago weren't originals. You find out there were 2-3 different versions, some made in other countries that get remade here or a bigger budget allows a better version.

[Donald]

How's TNA 2.0 doing? Better than NXT 2.0?

[Bert]

How's TNA 2.0 doing? Better than NXT 2.0?

You should check out CYN.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/5vgVn5X.jpeg

[Nash Diesel]

If Cody never leaves WWE, where are the Young Bucks in 2022? Serious question. Would they be touring the circuit or plant their feet somewhere like Impact or NJPW?

[Bert]

I don't see Impact ever happening again. Either continuing New Japan or unhappy in WWE. I'm not sure Omega would do good in WWE either. He has a weird promo style.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't see Impact ever happening again. Either continuing New Japan or unhappy in WWE. I'm not sure Omega would do good in WWE either. He has a weird promo style.

Bucks probably would've thrived in NXT and won over the higher ups on Raw/SD to warrant a decent push. They would just need the support of Shawn and Trips. Especially Shawn. Look at Austin Theory. That was a guy who 2 years ago I believe Shawn said had the most potential out of anyone in NXT that was coming up new. Look at him now.

Kenny Omega....I think in smaller companies like AEW, New Japan, etc. he can get away with being a top guy because those are WRESTLING promotions. But he showed that he can't really be a sports entertainer that he would need to be but again, you never know how he might thrive. He might not have been working with Roman Reigns at Mania but I think he would wind up in a solid position in the mid-uppercard of Raw/SD.

[Donald]

Can't wait for Khan's earth shattering announcement tonight. Probably Damien Sandow signing.

[Bert]

Rumor is HBOmax deal.

If that includes live PPVs that would be awesome.

[Donald]

Ooh, then we could see Peacemaker cameos on Dynamite.

[Bert]

Also Euphoria crossovers. Apparently it's the #2 HBO show behind Game of Thrones.

They'd love Hook.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Tony Khan owns ROH

[Vandal]

Tony Khan owns ROH

Just saw that.

[VHS]

Wow :yes:

[Donald]

Was that the big announcement?

[Bert]

Yes. He gets the library including All In.

That will help with the HBOmax deal.

[Donald]

Yes. He gets the library including All In.

That will help with the HBOmax deal.

Cool, I'll be able to watch Dalton Castle matches.

[kdestiny]

Cool, I'll be able to watch Dalton Castle matches.

You can see Titan too

[Bert]

FTR vs Briscoes has to happen now.

[Nash Diesel]

God damn it's hilarious reading people like Bert jump the fucking shark.

Ring of Honor has had how many different owners? Honestly this felt like when Billy Corgan announced he was purchasing NWA.

Dixie Khan needs to dial it back. It just shows how small this company is when he's like "The only time I ever came out was to talk about Brodie Lee" and then he acted like this was some big deal........A brand that has been irrelevant for a very very long time.

[Nash Diesel]

Also Euphoria crossovers. Apparently it's the #2 HBO show behind Game of Thrones.

They'd love Hook.

Just stop it with this nonsense dude seriously. "They'd love Hook" Is this like when you were talking about being scared your kid might think they're a dinosaur one day? I'm just trying to gauge the trolling so I don't overreact lol.

[Bert]

https://twitter.com/DuaneDoogan/status/1499210320249774082?t=0w3ANWVzaR5HjUy2oO9TYQ&s=19

Another callback.

[Bert]

Having 20 years of a tape library that shows all of their top stars, having the footage for All In, and all of this combined meaning hours more of content for things like documentaries means an HBOMax deal is inevitable.

[Tainted Eclipse]

page/cole is one cold main event unfortunately

[Nash Diesel]

Having 20 years of a tape library that shows all of their top stars, having the footage for All In, and all of this combined meaning hours more of content for things like documentaries means an HBOMax deal is inevitable.

You sound like an idiot.

[Nash Diesel]

page/cole is one cold main event unfortunately

What, not enough throwback to the mega company that is Ring of Honor? Do you know how many people have been waiting for the ROH Adams to finally throw down? It's going to break ppv numbers.

I hope Adam Cole wins so we can get the rematch of the century: Matt Hardy v. Adam Cole. The man who made Adam Cole finally getting a World title shot.

[Bert]

You sound like an idiot.

How? Streaming companies want content. They have that now.

[Bert]

ROH will likely be AEW's NXT now.

[Nash Diesel]

How? Streaming companies want content. They have that now.

You act like it doesn't matter, as long as there's content lol. QUALITY content. I'm not saying they won't wind up on HBO Max. It's been something everyone and their mother has talked about for at least a year now.




ROH will likely be AEW's NXT now.

Doubt it.

[Horatio]

Dustin Rhodes for ROH champion.

COMBINE THE THREADS~

[Nash Diesel]

I can't wait until we get the dream match we've all been waiting for........The SAT v. Jurassic Express!!

Come on Xavier!!

[BGMaverick]

The ROH acquisition doesn’t make a ton of sense if AEW is looking to outright create more weekly content on a regular basis. There is some value in making it a developmental setup for them in some ways. Not sure how that works from a content perspective and much Sinclair wants to be involved with that, if they want to. There’s merit to using the brand but there’s more that has to be figured out to make that work. Now the library, that makes tons of a sense for AEW to acquire. In order to monetize themselves and build a cushion before the TV contract renews, you can license a library to a company that’s okay taking a chance on them. That company buying the streaming rights is probably taking a loss but that’s the cost of doing business if you’re going to try to get in on the ground floor. Seems like an extremely natural fit for that to be HBOMax.

From a crazy standpoint, Tony and Cody may not have figured out how to make it work in AEW, but Cody could embrace the Triple H role more and nurture and develop ROH and be able to do so with his vision.

[Bert]

I think for wrestling fans the ROH library would be worth subbing to HBOMax.

I'm really hoping Samoa Joe helps MJF win at Revolution after Wardlow won't help him.

[Horatio]

I can't wait until we get the dream match we've all been waiting for........The SAT v. Jurassic Express!!

Come on Xavier!!

Xavier died, nasty one.

Xavier Woods is however being born. Man may have a future now.

Anyone else wish Vince shows up at Mania just to say, "Shut up, Pat! I have an announcement to make! ... I, VKM, am now the owner ... of Impact! Wrestling!"

[Nash Diesel]

I think for wrestling fans the ROH library would be worth subbing to HBOMax.

I'm really hoping Samoa Joe helps MJF win at Revolution after Wardlow won't help him.

Doubtful. Plus wait until they find out how much ROH funded a pedo.

[Bert]

ROH wrestlers in the AEW game will be sweet.

[Donald]

I thought all ROH wrestlers were released.

[Horatio]

I'm guessing ROH will now be the rainbow to AEW's Dark. A rainbow in the dark, if you will...

Send Dustin and Hook to ROH and make room for R-Truth and Xavier Woods and then, everyone goes to Heaven. It is simple. Everyone get happy.

Make it happen, people.
#rtruthisallelite
#austincreedisallelite

[Horatio]

From a crazy standpoint, Tony and Cody may not have figured out how to make it work in AEW, but Cody could embrace the Triple H role more and nurture and develop ROH and be able to do so with his vision.

A crazy standpoint? It makes too much sense ... except Cody would have to get rid of that neck-tattoo or the ROH Universe will riot. And then, Cody will have to step back in the ring because we made him. And he won't turn heel because he loves us. And no one really asked his opinion, but that's what Triple H does. Only Cody does it better.
Did we just become best friends??

[Ringo]

page/cole is one cold main event unfortunately

Yeah. Least I've been interested in an AEW main event in some time. Thankfully Danielson/Mox and MJF/Punk feel so big they make up for it.

Acquiring ROH is no doubt a cool get for AEW. Being able to use the old footage is great, both during AEW shows and for a potential streaming service. But that streaming service is yet to be announced. Feel like this news coupled with the HBO Max announcement may have been as game changing as Tony K promised but on its own it's a tad disappointing.

[Horatio]

Feel like this news coupled with the HBO Max announcement may have been as game changing as Tony K promised but on its own it's a tad disappointing.

The ROH news coupled with the "no Shane" comment should have wrestling fans everywhere jumping for joy.

The New Japan resurgence made all of you forget the days of Chad Collyer and Matt Stryker. The REAL Matt Stryker...

[Donald]

Is Tony Khan coked up, or is he just an awkward bastard? He seemed so weird on the mic.

[Peter Griffin]

Who was punk referring to when talking about pouring alcohol down someone's neck? I remember Jericho doing it to him but not him to someone.

[Nash Diesel]

If they get ROH on HBO Max will they have the HDNet stuff?


Who was punk referring to when talking about pouring alcohol down someone's neck? I remember Jericho doing it to him but not him to someone.

Probably Raven.

[BGMaverick]

A crazy standpoint? It makes too much sense ... except Cody would have to get rid of that neck-tattoo or the ROH Universe will riot. And then, Cody will have to step back in the ring because we made him. And he won't turn heel because he loves us. And no one really asked his opinion, but that's what Triple H does. Only Cody does it better.
Did we just become best friends??

The major difference is Cody is a big-value guy as a performer and I doubt the allocation of resources makes sense at this point. It feels like Tony is going to burn himself out if he keeps booking responsibilities for AEW and does try to do a lot with whatever ROH becomes.

Oh...

Did we just become best friends??
No.

[Nash Diesel]

I thought all ROH wrestlers were released.

As far as I know they were but who knows what has been going on behind the scenes.

[Horatio]

The major difference is Cody is a big-value guy as a performer and I doubt the allocation of resources makes sense at this point. It feels like Tony is going to burn himself out if he keeps booking responsibilities for AEW and does try to do a lot with whatever ROH become.
He does seem like the kind of dude who would get a monopoly on wrestling, burn out and crash hard, and then be okay because you get ROH on TV in jail.

[BGMaverick]

I thought all ROH wrestlers were released.

They just no longer were under contract. If those individuals were still able to be contracted by ROH whenever they came back into business, they'd probably be offered some type of contract.

[Nash Diesel]

As long as Dalton Castle can make it.

[Donald]

Yes I love Dalton Castle.

[Nash Diesel]

Yes I love Dalton Castle.

Dalton Castle is one of the biggest missed opportunities. While he did get a run with the World title it was about a year or so too late and he was dealing with a back injury. It's too bad he never took a chance with the WWE but I get why as I think he was concerned they wouldn't get the gimmick or completely erase it.

[Badger]

It’ll be interesting to see if the ROH guys get their own show under the AEW umbrella or if they’ll just be entirely absorbed and just appear on AEW’s existing shows. I did giggle a bit at the “No Shane” comment though.

Speaking of burns, love the Acclaimed raps more and more with the Glen Jacobs tweets burn. I’d love to see them get the belts one day (they are technically still ranked number 1 I think) but probably not gonna happen any time soon. Just too many tag teams higher in the pecking order which isn’t a bad thing per se. Healthy competition which will be extra lit when Fenix comes back.

Page/Cole is somewhat cold I think but I think that’s because there’s higher priority stuff like Mox/Danielson and Punk/MJF. The match itself should still be good. Page has been having killer matches but the other feuds have just had more attention. When Page gets some real competition (well Danielson was real competition tbf there), his reign should heat up more.

Speaking of Punk/MJF, you could see the turn coming a mile away but that doesn’t make it any less great though. Tremendous stuff. MJF should go over but Wardlow won’t have a part in it. When he wins that ladder match and probably the title afterwards but refuses to MJF, that’ll likely be when he explodes. Some development though in not helping in the beatdown and shutting down Spears. Slowly but surely…

[Donald]

Boggles my mind that WWE didn't buy ROH.

[Nash Diesel]

Boggles my mind that WWE didn't buy ROH.

Probably because they wouldn't keep it active and would just use the tape library for the Network and other projects, maybe. They could've also seen the lack of real need to have that library. Why would they? They can just use pictures from Apter or PWI like they normally do. Sure it'd be cool to have a Kevin Owens documentary where they'd throw in some ROH matches but it's not the end of the world. Especially when you think about how few and far between those type of releases are these days.

I hope Tony buys the IWA-MS library so we can get the CM Punk v. Chris Hero TLC match.

[BGMaverick]

Boggles my mind that WWE didn't buy ROH.

They probably low-balled the offer because it doesn't serve that big of a purpose to them.

[Badger]

Yeah they’re an entertainment company first and foremost. ROH doesn’t quite fit into that category so they probably no real need for it.

[Donald]

Yeah, I was just thinking they'd have bought it just so AEW couldn't. I'm waiting for the day Vince and Co. kill AEW, like Hunter mentioned in his HOF speech for DX.

[Nash Diesel]

It's not really WWE's thing to buy a company and keep it alive.

[Tainted Eclipse]

one of the best rampage episodes ever i thought. loved the triple threat.

[Badger]

Now THAT was a Tower of Doom spot!

Great match!

[Tainted Eclipse]

i've been kinda let down my AEW in recent weeks but man that was a great episode.

triple threat opener was awesome, probably my second favorite match of the year behind danielson/page. i tend to dislike tower of doom spots but that one was a beauty. lee vs. JD drake was a super fun big guy match. the main event was a very 'christian' style match which is a kind of match i really enjoy, just really smartly worked and laid out. all the segments and promos were good. and that ending with the bucks and reddragon grabbing the tag titles, staring each other down over them, luchasaurus grabbing them back and then jungle boy hitting the dive was just awesome pro wrestling choreography.

the show really made me more excited for the PPV. actually it did such a good job of building everything it featured that the actual main event feels even LESS important on the show.

[Dreyski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bs9O2zYZk

Keeping kayfabe for a moment, why would Tony Khan let somone who 'isn't a professional wrestler' and 'doesn't work for AEW' anywhere near his ring? Lawsuits should be flying around.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/tkD4RR_6Jl4

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/mandalhuber/status/1500189009674485768?s=21

Negative One and Brodie with their own action figures.

Pretty sweet. :heart:

[Bert]

That was great to see. Jazwares seems like a great company and Jeremy Padawer seems like a good dude. He's very active on Twitter.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/TMS5j1a.jpeg

Jade Cargill's match is the only one I'm really meh on. Hoping after she wins Athena shows up.

[Tainted Eclipse]

honestly if i ranked these matches by how much i'm looking forward to them, the four title matches would be the bottom four.

the tag match just because i have a feeling it's going to be way too long and feature some bad, overwrought young bucks CONFLICTED acting with reddragon.

okay, maybe the women's match on the buy-in show would be last to be fair.

very excited for HOOK/QT.

[Horatio]

Cool to see Redbeard as a good guy again.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I can agree the title matches are some of the least interesting as far as the build/hype. Mox/Danielson, Kingston/Jericho, and Punk/MJF all feel like main event level feuds whereas Jade/Conti was thrown together like, what, a couple weeks ago?

Hangman/Cole and especially Baker/Rosa feel cold, but I expect them to deliver the goods in the ring. I got my fingers crossed for Hangman to beat Cole and then get jumped by a newly contracted, non-EVP Cody who comes to crush his dreams at the next Dynamite supercard. I'm also into the competitors and the match potential of the Tag Title match, but I'm honestly tired of the inner tension schtick with The Elite. Just pick what side you're on and can we just be melodramatic with other people please? Sadly, this probably ends with one costing the other for Jurassic Express to get the win and set up a Young Bucks/reDRagon match, and I just pray they get it over with quick and we can move on to something else.

This is a strong card all around, though, and I have hope most of it will deliver. As long as it's not another All Out 2020

[Ringo]

honestly if i ranked these matches by how much i'm looking forward to them, the four title matches would be the bottom four.


Yeah, I think that's fair.

I'm struggling to give much of a shit about Adam vs. Adam. It's the least interesting AEW title match in a good while and coming right after Page's classics with Danielson and Archer it stands out even more. I think Page needs a big challenger next... but I'm not sure who.

Thunder Rosa is probably still Britt's highest profile challenger and I've got a fair bit of interest in this rematch but it still feels a bit like we're killing time until a challenger worthy of taking the belt off her shows up in AEW.

I have my reservations about the tag title 3-way, mainly for the reason Tainted gave. I'd be more interested if FTR were involved. I think generally I'm more interested in all three of these teams if FTR are involved.

I wouldn't expect a lot out of Cargill vs. Conti. The potential is there in both though.

The rest of the card is top notch. MJF/Punk has entered all time great wrestling feud territory in recent weeks and I can't wait for this match. Punk being at this level seemed a way off just a couple of months ago. What a feud this has been for him. And it may very well prove to be the making of MJF.

If that wasn't enough, we've got two more really hot non-title singles feuds in Danielson/Mox and Jericho/Kingston. Plenty of good promo work leading up to these. It's obviously been great to see Mox back looking rejuvenated and motivated but credit to Jericho too. He's looking in much better shape lately as well. I'm guessing Jericho wins here... but hopefully with a view to Eddie going over down the line.

I thought the sixth man in the FOTR ladder match would be a surprise but I guess that was never stated. Christian's a nice inclusion. He's felt like a bit more of a special attraction lately. Hard to choose between Lee and Wardlow here. I guess it should be Lee. Although the idea that you have to win this 6-man ladder match just to get a shot at the TNT title is a bit silly since you can usually just ask for one.

Tornado trios TNT title SKIRMISH. I'd like to see Andrade win the TNT title sooner rather than later and have a good run with the belt. Not sure how likely that is. Time for Jeff Hardy? Perhaps. Sting's AEW matches have been great because they know how to work with his limitations. Hopefully this will be much the same.

I'm sure they were hoping that Fenix would be back in time for the PPV so they could do a Death Triangle/House of Black 6-man. Big Erick's involved instead though. Sure, why not? This should be fun.

Hirsch vs. Stadtlander is interesting purely because Stadtlander was such a fucking nasty bitch to Hirsch about her parents abandoning her. I'll be hoping Hirsch wipes the floor with her.

Hopefully Hook demolishes QT here and moves on to bigger fish. His whole presentation is so on point that you genuinely get excited for his squashes. Goldberg style.

[Tainted Eclipse]

a heel cody taking on champ adam page is what i've been dreaming of since before he won the title. could be a super hot program.

[Ringo]

I don't know if anything's suddenly changed regarding Cody imminently signing with WWE because I haven't been following news sites but if you're suggesting a giant swerve that's been planned all along that'd be quite something. I'm not going to go looking for more information because I'd rather be surprised. But yeah, love it.

[Psycho666Soldier]

HOOK/Dustin next pls

I'd also love to see HOOK run through H.F.O.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't know if anything's suddenly changed regarding Cody imminently signing with WWE because I haven't been following news sites but if you're suggesting a giant swerve that's been planned all along that'd be quite something. I'm not going to go looking for more information because I'd rather be surprised. But yeah, love it.

I've been saying that it's a work to get Cody able to challenge for the belt and go full heel for a minute. Regardless of the rumors, that just makes the most sense to me when you add it all up. That's the sort of thing AEW loves to play on, and while I think some talks with WWE might have happened, I wouldn't put it past them to get the dirtsheets in on it/feed false information to really sell it. Not to mention that would inject so much damn life into the World Title.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i'm still heartbroken they didn't deliver on the ALL BIG MAN ladder match.

[Psycho666Soldier]

One day, Tainted

[Donald]

When Cody returns, will he be able to challenge for the world title? That previous stipulation, was it a part of his old contalract?

[Psycho666Soldier]

No, but the core of his reason for not challenging for the AEW World Title if he lost was because he was an EVP and he saw it as a conflict of interest and wanted to build trust with fans. So a new contract as just a performer is the perfect loophole for him to bend around.

[Ringo]

Rampage was a great hour of wrestling TV. Triple threat was a blast but I also really loved Lee vs. Drake. Notable non-wrestling segments too like Redbeard's addition to Death Triangle/House of Black, Shida's return and Punk's bloody promo.

[Tyson]

Is this where the Wardlow singles run starts?

[mth]

Told the wife there was an AEW PPV tonight and she suggested we watch it, so i guess we're in for tonight. Maybe 2/3 of the card looks pretty interesting. Will not be bothering with the battle of the Adams, though.

[Bert]

Yeah, I think that's fair.

I'm struggling to give much of a shit about Adam vs. Adam. It's the least interesting AEW title match in a good while and coming right after Page's classics with Danielson and Archer it stands out even more. I think Page needs a big challenger next... but I'm not sure who.

Thunder Rosa is probably still Britt's highest profile challenger and I've got a fair bit of interest in this rematch but it still feels a bit like we're killing time until a challenger worthy of taking the belt off her shows up in AEW.

I have my reservations about the tag title 3-way, mainly for the reason Tainted gave. I'd be more interested if FTR were involved. I think generally I'm more interested in all three of these teams if FTR are involved.

I wouldn't expect a lot out of Cargill vs. Conti. The potential is there in both though.

The rest of the card is top notch. MJF/Punk has entered all time great wrestling feud territory in recent weeks and I can't wait for this match. Punk being at this level seemed a way off just a couple of months ago. What a feud this has been for him. And it may very well prove to be the making of MJF.

If that wasn't enough, we've got two more really hot non-title singles feuds in Danielson/Mox and Jericho/Kingston. Plenty of good promo work leading up to these. It's obviously been great to see Mox back looking rejuvenated and motivated but credit to Jericho too. He's looking in much better shape lately as well. I'm guessing Jericho wins here... but hopefully with a view to Eddie going over down the line.

I thought the sixth man in the FOTR ladder match would be a surprise but I guess that was never stated. Christian's a nice inclusion. He's felt like a bit more of a special attraction lately. Hard to choose between Lee and Wardlow here. I guess it should be Lee. Although the idea that you have to win this 6-man ladder match just to get a shot at the TNT title is a bit silly since you can usually just ask for one.

Tornado trios TNT title SKIRMISH. I'd like to see Andrade win the TNT title sooner rather than later and have a good run with the belt. Not sure how likely that is. Time for Jeff Hardy? Perhaps. Sting's AEW matches have been great because they know how to work with his limitations. Hopefully this will be much the same.

I'm sure they were hoping that Fenix would be back in time for the PPV so they could do a Death Triangle/House of Black 6-man. Big Erick's involved instead though. Sure, why not? This should be fun.

Hirsch vs. Stadtlander is interesting purely because Stadtlander was such a fucking nasty bitch to Hirsch about her parents abandoning her. I'll be hoping Hirsch wipes the floor with her.

Hopefully Hook demolishes QT here and moves on to bigger fish. His whole presentation is so on point that you genuinely get excited for his squashes. Goldberg style.

I will be shocked if Rosa doesn't beat Brit.

I expect a 7th surprise entrant in the ladder match, Swerve.

[Tainted Eclipse]

really? i'd anticipate brit to have the title for a good bit longer. they need to make ending her title reign a more auspicious occasion than this pretty minor match.

[Bert]

The crowd loves Hook.

[Bert]

really? i'd anticipate brit to have the title for a good bit longer. they need to make ending her title reign a more auspicious occasion than this pretty minor match.

It's on 1 out of the 4 PPVs of the year. What's minor about that? Every match has to be a gimmick match?

I really think only 4 PPVs a year hurts AEW. I'd like to see 6. All In could be one.

[Tainted Eclipse]

It's on 1 out of the 4 PPVs of the year. What's minor about that? Every match has to be a gimmick match?

I really think only 4 PPVs a year hurts AEW. I'd like to see 6. All In could be one.

it just doesn't feel like a hot match.

[Tainted Eclipse]

if they could go to 6 PPVs a year and make them all 3 hour shows, i'd be overjoyed.

[Bert]

House of Black entrance was sweet.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the name penta oscuro is cool but i kinda think the outfits are a bit much. alex just looks silly.

[Psycho666Soldier]

That 6-Man was fucking sweet

That was probably the coolest Redbeard has looked

[Psycho666Soldier]

if they could go to 6 PPVs a year and make them all 3 hour shows, i'd be overjoyed.

I second this. The longer shows can be a bit much, and this gives us more proper big matches build to. Some times the TV feuds feel minor in comparison to what's built for the ppv.

[Psycho666Soldier]

That was the best Jericho match in years. Fucking stoked for that shit. Eddie's the man.

That was like a tribute to King's Road

[Tainted Eclipse]

incredible match. definitely will have to rewatch it to see if that's my match of the year. feels like jericho's best match in a looooong time.

[Tainted Eclipse]

that triple threat definitely exceeded my expectations. really fun spotfest, didn't really go too long either.

[Psycho666Soldier]

That was a good way to handle the drama between reDRagon and The Bucks. Didn't take over the match, and that was a blast to watch. The last few minutes were hot, and Jungle Boy looked like a beast.

[Psycho666Soldier]

This show is insane

[Bert]

Contract literally said Swerve lol.

Tony don't show the camera.

[Tainted Eclipse]

oh shit! should've had some sheet metal for the barricades.

[Bert]

I know a lot of people are marking out for this song.

[Vandal]

Punk's entrance is epic!

[Vandal]

What ever happened to the poster Second City Saint?

[Defrost]

That entrance brought me back a ways

[Psycho666Soldier]

What a fucking story. A bit long but they brought the crowd along with them along the way, and really good escalation (even if tacos are getting a bit overused). Ending was perfect. Absolutely wonderful story, and a marquee feud for both guys.

[Bert]

What a fucking story. A bit long but they brought the crowd along with them along the way, and really good escalation (even if tacos are getting a bit overused). Ending was perfect. Absolutely wonderful story, and a marquee feud for both guys.

Tacos can never be over used.

[Bert]

New belt, new champ.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i was a bit disappointed with the dog collar match as a whole, but it had plenty of awesome stuff and the wardlow bit was fantastic. very excited to see that followed up on wednesday.

[Bert]

I'm surprised. Maybe they do a cage match at St Patrick's Slam or whatever.

[Vandal]

William fucking Regal!!!!!!

[Tainted Eclipse]

holy fuck that post-match was incredible

[Bert]

Popped out loud for Regal.

Too bad he can't name the tag team "War Games"

[Bert]

Dying at all of these "Adam" chants.

[BGMaverick]

Stars of the Night:
Kingston
Jungle Boy
Wardlow
AFI
Regal
Sting

Props to the Adams for having a hell of main event after the marathon.
The Batman and Revolution: Both good but probably didn’t need to be as long as they were.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Killer show last night. I think it definitely peaked with Punk/MJF and never really caught the same wave of hype since, but they still managed to turn this out for a hot finish.

The pre-show was more fun than I anticipated, and and the first five matches excluding Jade/Conti were perfect for what they were and how to get everything across. Kingston/Jericho feels like a MOTY candidate, the ladder match was really unique and capitalized on the strengths of each wrestler, Tag Title match reigned in the stupid shit and made Jungle Boy look like a star, and Punk/MJF was an intense war, pre-match and everything. I marked the hell out for Miseria Canterae. Like I said, there were some moments it dragged a bit, and the moment where the chain got caught on the rope was kind of awkward, but it was such a perfect end to the feud(assuming it doesn't continue) and the crowd ate it all up.

Between not being hot, starting kind of rough, and having to follow Punk/MJF, Baker/Rosa was mostly weak. Nothing really caught on and the crowd was dead for most of it. But there was a point in the last few minutes where the switch was flipped and the crowd was getting into it. The finish was a bit overbooked, but I think this was a good way to turn a cold match into a feud starter, hopefully making for a more intense match and title change in a couple weeks.

Mox/Danielson fell a bit short of expectations for me. I liked the finish and felt there were some really good moments in between, but maybe this would have been better as more of a violent sprint and cutting out like 5-7 minutes? I dunno, could be the momentum sort of fizzled at this point, and I was definitely getting tired. It was a really good match that feels like it should have been better. The post-match moment with Regal was fucking epic, though. One of the moments of the night, and regardless of where this leads for Bryan and Mox, I thought that was a great way to make a strong moment from the feud, so it made the match a little better in retrospect.

Sting should not be doing the things he does, and I'm not not going to cheer it, but my dude needs to calm down lol. This match was sloppy and it's unfortunate Darby missed the Coffin Drop, but I loved it. It was wild, it was unexpected, chaotic with the pedal on the floor before the bell even rang. Darby really came out hot and I think it helped rejuvenate his stock a bit. Sting manages to do just enough and even more, and Sammy is fucking crazy, too. I feel like he didn't get to do a lot in this match, but that Spanish Fly was one of the best spots of the night. Matt was pretty meh tonight, but Andrade and especially Kassidy looked really good. Kassidy and Private Party in general seem like the perfect guys that always fulfill their role the most and while it might be a minute, I feel it'll get recognized in time and they'll get their chance to shine.

The main event was a mixed bag. I know not everyone is into the Adam Cole Takeover main event style, and this match was pretty much that. It's hit or miss for me, and I think there were some cool moments in this match, and ultimately it was a strong look for Hangman. Admittedly, I started falling asleep towards the end because I was high af and my body was ready for sleep, but whenever I woke up, the shit got me feeling hyped. Sort of cold feud, but I think it's still a worthwhile defense Page can hang his hat on. Next feud's gotta be hot, though, and I think it might be good to shake things up with some kind of heel beating him at this point, but as long as his next feud is something hot, I'm along for the ride.

So yeah, still an awesome show, all the best in-ring shit just so happened to be frontloaded. I think maybe put Mox/Danielson earlier and finish with Punk/MJF and this maybe could have been better, but perhaps a drained crowd for Punk/MJF would have affected that match, too.

EDIT: For the record, I liked Jade/Conti for what it was. It was an impromptu feud that had the shortest match time with a strong presentation for the young undefeated star they're building. Didn't set the world on fire, but was a solid notch in Jade's belt before she starts getting some more intense challengers. Also the Jade costume was :eek:

[Nash Diesel]

8/10. MJF/Punk, Moxley/Danielson with Regal showing up, and Sting's dive through the tables were great. The rest of the card was good. Some predictable moments that were GOOD predictable moments like Wardlow winning, the women's matches, but overall a good card.

The only negative was that the main event was a dud. Good match, but I was spent from MJF/Punk and Mox/Bryan I didn't really give a shit after that.

[kdestiny]

Britt/Rosa was the only low point for me. Everything else at least delivered what they needed to in my eyes.

[Badger]

Some really good stuff and great to see Regal plus Wardlow sticking it to MJF. The Swerve contract signing could’ve easily been done on Dynamite instead or just an announcement online.

If these PPVs were 3 hours as opposed to 4 (that’s not including the pre-show) I’d be more willing to watch these live as opposed to the next day. Just too draining to take in live plus UK time zone. Although the thing about that is there roster is so big I can’t see the PPV time being cut.

[Bert]

Some really good stuff and great to see Regal plus Wardlow sticking it to MJF. The Swerve contract signing could’ve easily been done on Dynamite instead or just an announcement online.

If these PPVs were 3 hours as opposed to 4 (that’s not including the pre-show) I’d be more willing to watch these live as opposed to the next day. Just too draining to take in live plus UK time zone. Although the thing about that is there roster is so big I can’t see the PPV time being cut.

I disagree. They were cleaning up the ring anyway so they had to fill time somehow. The crowd organically chanting for Swerve and saying who's house before he even started saying it was great too. Tony needs to hold the clipboard better though and not show the side saying Swerve at the bottom.

[Bert]

TK at the post media scrum really made it sound like ROH will be AEW developmental, said he will be the booker for ROH. Punk was nearly crying talking about how much Tony instead of Vince having ROH meant to him and doing the entrance with the gear and stuff at the ppv. Punk said Max is a savant and loves classic wrestling. Also, Ace Steel is a trainer there now. TK said Sonjay Dutt is also helping train Jade.

[Badger]

I disagree. They were cleaning up the ring anyway so they had to fill time somehow. The crowd organically chanting for Swerve and saying who's house before he even started saying it was great too. Tony needs to hold the clipboard better though and not show the side saying Swerve at the bottom.

It certainly wasn’t a bad segment by any means and the crowd chants were nice but just a suggestion of ways they could cut down on PPV time a bit. They probably just need to work on their pacing and layout a bit either way. Could’ve put the title match on earlier while the crowd are still engaged and have put either Punk/MJF or Mox/Danielson last so there’s not such a break cleaning up blood in between

[Nash Diesel]

TK at the post media scrum really made it sound like ROH will be AEW developmental, said he will be the booker for ROH. Punk was nearly crying talking about how much Tony instead of Vince having ROH meant to him and doing the entrance with the gear and stuff at the ppv. Punk said Max is a savant and loves classic wrestling. Also, Ace Steel is a trainer there now. TK said Sonjay Dutt is also helping train Jade.

CM Punk and ROH have something in common, WWE realized they aren't worth the price tag and did a hard pass. Who the fuck wants to pay $40 million for the ROH library??? Vince paid like $7 million for WCW and that even included some of the talent lol. Tony gets a bunch of footage that he'll just wind up selling anyway. It's like when billionaires buy famous musician's catalogs and just live off that money until the next venture comes across the table.

[Donald]

CM Punk still crying after all these years.

[Bert]

If streaming was a thing when WCW was around it would have went for a lot more.

[Nash Diesel]

He's no different than any other wannabe who thought because they listened to Rancid they were edgy and "punk". Plus he's straight edge, nothing worse than a straight edge. Not even a Vegan.

Which is why it's weird he's one of my absolute favorites of all time. I can't stand the guy outside of the wrestling ring but love what happens when he's on my tv.

[Nash Diesel]

If streaming was a thing when WCW was around it would have went for a lot more.

Maybe. 40 million for ROH just screams like someone got worked lol. TNA/Impact's library ain't even worth 40 million. I imagine if AEW didn't pay that eventually WWE would've snatched it. Vince actually has to give a shit about money. Hopefully this little tweeker doesn't fuck it up.

[Bert]

So did you pop for the entrance? I think I've only seen Punk's ROH matches with entrances cut because back in the day file size was a big thing for downloads so I wasn't familiar with the song, but once it started I kind of guessed that must have been what it was. It definitely felt cool and right for the moment, along with his gear.

[Nash Diesel]

So did you pop for the entrance? I think I've only seen Punk's ROH matches with entrances cut because back in the day file size was a big thing for downloads so I wasn't familiar with the song, but once it started I kind of guessed that must have been what it was. It definitely felt cool and right for the moment, along with his gear.

Not really. I actually forgot he used to come out to that corny shit at one point.

The problem I have sometimes with AEW is that they don't really have their own identity yet. Everything is a fuckin nod to some other shit. It's like going to see a new rock band that just came out and every song has a verse, chorus, or bridge that's from another band people know. Or a rapper who uses other more famous rappers lines in their songs as "homage". Some people think that's cool, not me. You can only pay homage to the past so many times before you just become a parody.

[Donald]

Makes sense wrestlers want to go to AEW, because they let them wrestle. I'm more of a entertainment fan which I think is why I like WWE more. I'd rather have a contract signing than a 30 minute draw 5 star classic.

[Tyrone]

Loved the Regal appearance. Hope Mox and Danielson get paired up with others and it's not just them.
Great show, looking forward to Dynamite. Wonder who else they're gonna sign and debut this week. Any rumored ones that look to be likely?

[Donald]

Loved the Regal appearance. Hope Mox and Danielson get paired up with others and it's not just them.
Great show, looking forward to Dynamite. Wonder who else they're gonna sign and debut this week. Any rumored ones that look to be likely?

Jeff Hardy is the latest one I heard, but Wednesday might be too soon. Possibly next week.

[Bert]

Jeff Hardy is definitely going to be on Dynamite.

I want Claudio to join Bryan and Mox.

[Nash Diesel]

How long before Tony Khan lets Jeff Hardy come out fucked out of his mind for one of TK's dream matches?

I say Jeff is in jail before the next AEW ppv.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I, for one, am looking forward to the tribute match to Victory Road 2011

[Nash Diesel]

I, for one, am looking forward to the tribute match to Victory Road 2011

Oh my God....I think you just booked The Hardyz v. Darby and Sting. Sting still hasn't forgiven Jeff for that match and seeing as Jeff hasn't given one fuck about getting sober since despite having a wife, kids, etc. this will set Sting off even more.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/sMfJoji.jpeg

[Nash Diesel]

lol I would be too if I was getting overpaid. Jericho always wanted to be like Nash, Hogan, etc. well now he's making 5 million to work with Eddie Kingston lol. Imagine when this picture was taken Jericho 2022 would say "Chris, 15 years from now you're going to work with a jobber from CHIKARA and take in 5 mill a year" he would've killed his future self.

I will say it's funny he's bringing Regal in this. Jericho is such a mark.

[Donald]

Considering Jericho said he would never wrestle for anyone in the US but Vince, I highly doubt he was unhappy.

[Donald]

Considering Jericho said he would never wrestle for anyone in the US but Vince, I highly doubt he was unhappy.

They are all just loving the money, like you said Nash.

[Nash Diesel]

I mean Jericho is a promoter. He's constantly selling himself and that's what has made him successful for the last oh 25 years in wrestling.

He was so unhappy yet jumped at the chance of going on Stone Cold's show lol. The fact is, only people like Bert who actually believe Chris Jericho was unhappy-especially during that time. You know when he was World champion working with his idol Shawn Michaels. What a dork.

[Bert]

He's went on record that he didn't want to keep doing the same shit. He didn't want to do the list forever just like the light up jacket or Y2J. He mentioned AEW on stone colds show, why would promoting your current wrestling show ever be a bad thing?

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think it's funny he says that, but for like the last year, he's basically been pretending to be Y2J.

I think that's my main issue with Jericho. He makes an excellent heel, but whenever he's a babyface now, he always feels corny and/or relying on his 90s schtick.

[Horatio]

Uhh, that 90's shtick is Chris Jericho. He's a genuine outdated rock-n-roller. Raised on 80's wrestling and never letting it die.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I mean more of his need to make everything a potential catch phrase or chant. Like it's still funny sometimes, but it also just kinda makes my eyes roll when it resorts to the "bottom-feeding trash bag ho" bag. Just feels out of place now and lazy. When he does shit like his bits with Kingston or he calls the crowd/babyfaces a bunch of millennials and shit? Now that's the modern Jericho I love.

[Nash Diesel]

He's went on record that he didn't want to keep doing the same shit. He didn't want to do the list forever just like the light up jacket or Y2J. He mentioned AEW on stone colds show, why would promoting your current wrestling show ever be a bad thing?

Before Jericho showed up on Austin's show, and this is just the Network that I'm speaking on, they had mentioned ROH, TNA, Impact, New Japan, All Japan, I'm probably leaving out some others.

And he went on record saying what bothered him was that he wasn't Brock Lesnar and when he tried to step up everyone laughed and they made his match 2nd at the upcoming Mania.

What you need to do and hopefully this trickles down to other AEW nutfans like yourself is to stop thinking everything related to AEW is the best thing ever. Thank God Chris Benoit wasn't in AEW when he killed his family. I can only imagine the lengths you would go to defending AEW if Owen Hart died on their watch. Just weird man.

[Horatio]

AEW has a great track record though. Quality is in their name and they're generally a crowd-pleasing promotion who keep the booking from getting too obvious. What feds throughout history have had as promising 2 year runs?

Also, I always have and still do think Jericho is the one guy who should have Brock's number. He's got a stocky, wide base that lends itself to heavyweight realms, but he's light on his feet and quick enough in his steps. That, and he's known to be a legit tough guy and a hard hitter when he wants to be. Jericho vs Brock could have changed everything especially if Jericho was totally willing to put himself over as he should have.

[Ringo]

Another great AEW PPV... but it did burn me out. Fair play, they want to give fans their money's worth. And there is only four shows of this length per year. Problem is that there's really very little down time - and I did kind of tune out for the two women's championship matches. Saw someone point out: this show had 161 minutes of wrestling on the main card, plus another 32 on the buy-in. That's... A LOT. Take, in comparison, a show like Wrestlemania III which has 83 minutes of wrestling total.

Anyway, if I were to go back and dip into this show there is loads of stuff that would be worth watching again.

- Hirsch and Stadtlander really went for it. Some awkward moments but probably the best women's match on the show as it turned out. That apron hurricanrana was nasty. Hirsch had to win this after Stadtlander's awful comments.

- Hook's longest match to date but once again he killed it. I wonder if they're in a bit of a difficult position now. Fans want to see Hook continue to bulldoze through his opponents but he'll need to work longer matches in order to improve. QT played his part well.

- House Of Black vs. Death Triangle & Redbeard. Really good. This Penta/Black feud has been going on a while but with the addition of Buddy and Redbeard it felt pretty fresh. Redbeard put in a great performance and I loved his exchanges with Brody King. Possibly a bit excessive for a pre-show match. Solid win for the House of Black.

- Nice Omega tease. Good heat directed at Callis and a reminder that Omega will be due back soon. Possibly as a babyface this time.

- Loved everything about Jericho/Kingston. The entrances, the match itself and the aftermath. Clear All Japan influence. Jericho's best in-ring performance in years which isn't surprising given the shape he's gotten into. Hitting that top rope frankensteiner was something else. Big win for Eddie who is over HUGE right now... but he's still yet to win Jericho's respect, so looks like this will continue.

- Triple threat tag was nuts and thankfully Jungle Boy was the star of the show. I feared that the champions might be forced to take a back seat to the Bucks/RD drama but that really wasn't the case. Great win for Jurassic Express who are having a successful title reign.

- Fun ladder match with a bunch of memorable spots. Some a bit contrived, some really inventive. Everyone had their moments but I was particularly impressed with Hobbs. Big moment for Wardlow. Very intrigued by his upcoming push. Will he dethrone Sammy? Will he beat MJF? Feels like the sky is the limit for him right now.

- Hot debut for Swerve. He was presented like a star and the crowd gave him a star's welcome.

- TBS title match was a chance to breathe. Cool special entrance for Cargill. They kept showing Page vanZant alongside Lambert and the MOTY so I wonder if they're planning Cargill/vanZant. This match was actually alright.

- What can you say about Punk's entrance? Incredible moment. The match is itself was sufficiently brutal. Good use of the chain, thumb tacks, lots of blood and a hot finish. Maybe not quite at the level I was hoping but my expectations were extremely high. Loved the finish with Wardlow playing his role well and getting the big pop when he left the ring on the canvas. It's 1-1 now and I would imagine they'll do a rubber match at some point but perhaps further down the road.

- Found it hard to pay attention to Baker/Rosa I must admit. Glad Thunder Rosa didn't get the win here. It wouldn't have felt right for Baker's reign to end at this time. You'd think they'll have another gimmick match now.

- Danielson/Mox was very good and they had to work to get the crowd involved again. As promised, they gave us violence. Post-match with Regal making his debut was fantastic. What a well built handshake.

- Tornado trios match was bonkers. Reminiscent of the Jurassic Express/Superkiq 6-man from Full Gear. Everyone's understandably talking about Sting doing balcony dives at 62 but how crazy was Guevara's spanish fly on Kassidy? Just insane. With the way the match played out I became even more convinced that Jeff Hardy would make his debut here but maybe that's coming this week.

- I was knackered by the main event. Ended up being a pretty good match but I just wasn't all that invested. Must be said that the crowd seemed to enjoy it though.

9/10 probably.
Hard to pick a MOTN. I'd probably go with Kingston/Jericho or Danielson/Moxley. But it could also be Punk/MJF for the whole presentation.
Another note: JR was really annoying throughout. Generally I think he's been better recently but not on this show. At times his comments hurt the effectiveness of a moment. The pre-show was just Excalibur and Tony it's significantly smoother when it's just the two of them.

[Bert]

Before Jericho showed up on Austin's show, and this is just the Network that I'm speaking on, they had mentioned ROH, TNA, Impact, New Japan, All Japan, I'm probably leaving out some others.

And he went on record saying what bothered him was that he wasn't Brock Lesnar and when he tried to step up everyone laughed and they made his match 2nd at the upcoming Mania.

What you need to do and hopefully this trickles down to other AEW nutfans like yourself is to stop thinking everything related to AEW is the best thing ever. Thank God Chris Benoit wasn't in AEW when he killed his family. I can only imagine the lengths you would go to defending AEW if Owen Hart died on their watch. Just weird man.

This is some strange gaslighting.

[Bert]

- Fun ladder match with a bunch of memorable spots. Some a bit contrived, some really inventive. Everyone had their moments but I was particularly impressed with Hobbs. Big moment for Wardlow. Very intrigued by his upcoming push. Will he dethrone Sammy? Will he beat MJF? Feels like the sky is the limit for him right now.

- Found it hard to pay attention to Baker/Rosa I must admit. Glad Thunder Rosa didn't get the win here. It wouldn't have felt right for Baker's reign to end at this time. You'd think they'll have another gimmick match now.

I think MJF costs him the TNT title match or maybe Spears does at MJFs request which is kind of annoying because I'm over Sammy's reign and having 2 belts. The point of unifying belts is to only have 1.

St Patrick's Day Slam is in Rosa's hometown and it will be a year since their lights out match so she wins there, most likely in a cage match so there's no interference.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW has a great track record though. Quality is in their name and they're generally a crowd-pleasing promotion who keep the booking from getting too obvious. What feds throughout history have had as promising 2 year runs?

Also, I always have and still do think Jericho is the one guy who should have Brock's number. He's got a stocky, wide base that lends itself to heavyweight realms, but he's light on his feet and quick enough in his steps. That, and he's known to be a legit tough guy and a hard hitter when he wants to be. Jericho vs Brock could have changed everything especially if Jericho was totally willing to put himself over as he should have.

Jericho's known for 2 fights: A nothing struggle with Goldberg and punching some female fan that was getting in his space. Outside of that he just screams Napoleon Complex. Like how much of a fucking mark are you with his tenure in the business to think Lesnar v. Orton at Summerslam was a shoot. All because nobody told Jericho that it was going to be stiff elbows lol.

As far as AEW's 2 year comment...Honestly that's a tough one to answer because there hasn't been any companies to compare it to. And what are we comparing? I mean, does anyone know what kind of tv ratings the WWWF were getting back in the 60's? Are we talking attendance? Are we talking just straight up quality because then who are we comparing those first 2 years with? NWA? USWA? ECW?

[Nash Diesel]

This is some strange gaslighting.

That's probably the only thing I've learned from you, all that strange gaslighting Dino Boy

[Bert]

I don't think you understand what gaslighting means.

[BigAl]

I think MJF costs him the TNT title match or maybe Spears does at MJFs request which is kind of annoying because I'm over Sammy's reign and having 2 belts. The point of unifying belts is to only have 1.

They could go with Spears try to cost Wardlow the match at MJF's direction but ultimately fails. I don't see Wardlow's first feud being MJF though so maybe it's more of a "Spears making an executive decision" kind of thing.

[Nash Diesel]

Shawn Spears fucking sucks.


I don't think you understand what gaslighting means.

I'm well aware.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/8wDYUXRbhWE

[Psycho666Soldier]

It's been beautiful watching Jungle Boy grow and see him find his niche on the mic. He speaks with confidence and even manages to get the occasional zinger. I love it.

[Nash Diesel]

Per usual you are watching/hearing something totally different than the majority of the planet. Jungle Boy still sounds like he has no clue how he even got there.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I didn't know that you were the majority of the planet

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't know why you can't just be like "I disagree." You always have to put some stank on it.

[Bert]

Nash is always so angry and no one knows why.

[3puppies]

I love Nash but he's wrong on this. Jungle Boy may still have room for improvement, but there's no denying he's gotten better on the mic. When he first arrived, his promos/interviews were cringeworthy. Now, he doesn't come off as so terrified there is a camera on him and a mic in front of him.

[MTR]

Jungle Boy has improved a lot. He still has more to learn but he is far from where he was when he first started

[Psycho666Soldier]

That's literally all I was saying. There's been a clear improvement and he can at least hold his own rather than looking lost.

[Nash Diesel]

Why can't I just say "I disagree".....? Why can't you just say "I like Jungle Boy on the mic" and leave it at that?

I'm one of the biggest Jungle Boy fans and I don't really hear any improvement at all in his voice. PS-You like when I put some stank on it.
Bert Not angry at all. You soft youths of the world think any disagreement must mean that person is angry.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't care how detailed you get, but rather than arguing your opinion, you tag on some bit about how my opinion is so divorced from reality that no one else is seeing it, based solely on your own opinion.

You seriously hear not a lick of improvement?

[PurePlayer]

Jungle Boy went from god awful, cringe worthy, and terrified to just being bad. So I guess he improved. However, these are mostly taped segments.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/DHHEDC5v7I4

[Bert]

Scorpio needs to use his normal voice like this video for promos instead of putting on a weird one that is overdramatic and yelly.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Jungle Boy went from god awful, cringe worthy, and terrified to just being bad. So I guess he improved. However, these are mostly taped segments.

True. Live mic time is the real test. I'd say he's at decent instead of bad, but at least you can recognize a progression lol.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't care how detailed you get, but rather than arguing your opinion, you tag on some bit about how my opinion is so divorced from reality that no one else is seeing it, based solely on your own opinion.

You seriously hear not a lick of improvement?

Your opinion is divorced from reality. Go back and read it.

I'm not hearing any improvement that requires me to call it a beautiful growth lol.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Your opinion is divorced from reality. Go back and read it.

I'm not hearing any improvement that requires me to call it a beautiful growth lol.

I honestly figured Jungle Boy would just avoid talking after his first couple promos, but I think there's been a legit change in delivery. Like his voice is still dorky but he speaks with conviction now and doesn't slip over his words. Pre-recorded or not, it's a good improvement over a year ago and I think it's awesome that he's working on it with success rather than just stagnating or avoiding it.

But that's a mouthful, so if I'm a bit hyperbolic in my shorter posts, that doesn't mean the opinion is invalid or not correct. It just doesn't match yours, and that's fine. But half the time you equate a difference of opinion to some kind of weakness or flaw instead of just seeing it as a different perspective.

[Nash Diesel]

Hitler had a different perspective.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Yes, because in a forum about wrestling I'm advocating for supremacy through my appreciation for Jungle Boy. Better watch out, America.

[Bert]

Miro re-signed for 4 more years.

[BigAl]

When was the last time he was on TV? I thought I read recently he was healthy and ready to go.

[Bert]

When was the last time he was on TV? I thought I read recently he was healthy and ready to go.

Losing to Danielson when he took Mox's place I think. At that time he was injured and taped up. They might just still be coming up with a plan for him. Maybe he could be MJF's new heavy.

[BigAl]

Losing to Danielson when he took Mox's place I think. At that time he was injured and taped up. They might just still be coming up with a plan for him. Maybe he could be MJF's new heavy.

Him alongside MJF as the enforcer would be great. Too bad he can't immediately feud with Wardlow when he returns.

[Nash Diesel]

I disagree.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I lol'd

[Nash Diesel]

I lol'd

It felt so unnatural to just post 2 words.

[Mazer]

is good

[Donald]

Is Miro still crying about losing to Cena.

[Donald]

Can't believe Miro is younger than me. He looks 10 years older lmao

[Donald]

Love you Miro

[Nash Diesel]

I liked Miro when he wasn't a God cuck.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm excited for Jeff Hardy v. CM Punk in AEW. Who remembers this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6GcrIBhBWA

[Mazer]

I do not.

[Nash Diesel]

I remember seeing that video and thinking damn Jeff KILLED that promo. They should've just gave homeboy a bag of somas and the mic and boom, next John Cena.

[Mazer]

His time is now.

[Nash Diesel]

Man I just watched Rowan on Mayor of Kingstown.

Avatar bet on how many more people that were released in the last 2 years by WWE will show up by the end of tonight? I say 187. But I don't bet so that's just between you guys.

[mr sabu]

I couldnt give two shits about jeff hardy teaming with matt..

Matts still struggeling to find relevance and the only way that can happen is by teaming with jeff.

I am looking forward to mox, bryan and regal

[Bert]

VHS is the rajah discord dead?

[Bert]

Jericho looks so much better than a few months ago.

[Bert]

Why wouldn't you call it inner circle 2.0? It's right there.

[Tainted Eclipse]

what a very random title defense

[Tainted Eclipse]

that wardlow segment was .... very disappointing.

i really wanted the turn to be more than him leaving a ring for CM Punk and cutting an extremely rehearsed promo. i wanted warldow to knock out MJF in the middle of the ring while MJF is running him down.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/ie3mkGu.jpeg

[Tainted Eclipse]

i'm not sure i've ever disliked a dynamite episode more

[Bert]

So 1 week title reign or MJF costs Wardlow.

[Bert]

i'm not sure i've ever disliked a dynamite episode more

We're so different. I thought it was great.

PvZ signing her contract on Tays lifeless body was chefs kiss.

[BGMaverick]

You can’t announce that your top champion is going to wrestle in the lead up of the day? Come on, man.

Good first showing for the Violent Fathers, and Regal had Danielson on the verge of tears the whole time.

I do love that Jeff had to get his gyrating in on the ramp before saving his brother haha.

Wardlow sold the moment so well at Revolution when he realized he misplaced the ring, and he sold the confusion well when he came out of the face tunnel tonight. Mustafa Ali had to feel triggered when Wardlow said to “release me from this BS contract.” Good segment for the big guy.

Great near fall for The Acclaimed in that tag title match. Listen.

It felt inevitable that Guevara was losing when the chyron said he could set a record for defenses with this match lol. He’s been through the ringer with tables the last few days. Certainly opens the door for Wardlow to win but I imagine MJF spoils that and ATT gets a chance to build some heat.

[Badger]

I haven’t watched the latest episode which I will do tomorrow but judging by the comments the fact they’re acknowledging Wardlow’s turn but not quite pulling the trigger quite yet I can live with. It’s like Smithers in the Simpsons lol.

[Donald]

Does Scotty Goldman (sorry can't remember his name) still wrestle for AEW? Don't think I've heard about him in months.

[Bert]

Does Scotty Goldman (sorry can't remember his name) still wrestle for AEW? Don't think I've heard about him in months.

Colt Cabana, yeah. He was in Australia for a while and it might have been difficult to get back with covid.

[Horatio]

I hope Scorpio keeps the title long enough to feud with Darby Allin.

[Badger]

Heel Jericho again yaaaaay!

Now we just need Pineapple Pete back.

[MTR]

I enjoyed last night. I am so excited that Regal is over in AEW and managing Mox and Danielson. Loved the promo.

I could have done without the Rosa/Hirsch match. If they wanted to get back to Rosa and Baker for next week just fucking give her the match in the cage due to the outside interference. No need in once again letting Hirsch wrestle on Dynamite since she is in the top 5 only to lose. Plus that match was just awkward. No chemistry there between those two.

Laughing at Jeff dancing on his way to the ring.

I really enjoyed the opening segment. Actually had me going for a minute that Jericho wasn't going to make the turn and break up the Inner Circle. Didn't see 2.0 and Garcia being part of his new group though.

Not sure where they are going with FTR. Want to see them back in the hunt again.

Not sure if I want to revisit the whole Page/Dark Order relationship again though.

I was bit surprised to see Sky win because I figured Wardlow would win next week and the whole contract would come into play with MJF not releasing him and demanding the title. Guess Spears costs him the match or something next week because I expect Sky doesn't get stuck with a one week reign. We shall see.

[Donald]

Bit wild seeing Jeff Hardy and William Regal in AEW, as I've been playing as them in WWE 2K22 :lol: What's William Regal's ring name in AEW?

[Bert]

William Regal.

[kdestiny]

Bit wild seeing Jeff Hardy and William Regal in AEW, as I've been playing as them in WWE 2K22 :lol: What's William Regal's ring name in AEW?

Wait till you see what Hardy is called...

[Bert]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/sting-aew-wrestling

Great article on Sting talking about his past issues and getting his start wrestling.

I was an addict. The only time I was sober was when I was doing my job. The other 20-some hours of the day, it was a steady diet of painkillers, muscle relaxers and booze. A never-ending cycle. It was only a matter of time before I was dead. I knew it. But the physical and mental addiction to the opioids was so intense at that point that stopping was unthinkable.

[Donald]

Wait till you see what Hardy is called...

Well yeah but William regal isn't the dudes real name, I would have thought wwe owned it

[kdestiny]

Well yeah but William regal isn't the dudes real name, I would have thought wwe owned it

They don't

[Sasori]

I was hoping Jeff would come out to his old TNA theme. Disappointed we didn't get to hear "Creatures!".

[Tyrone]

If I were in AEW I would be Tyrone Regal so we can have that awkward father-son storyline happen.

[Bert]

I don't know if WWE owns the trademark Hardy Boyz or if they just feel too old but it looks like they're going by "The Hardys" now.

[VHS]

@VHS (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=36173) is the rajah discord dead?

It's still there, if that's what you mean.

[Tainted Eclipse]

surprised how many people seemed to like the show last night. i thought it was the worst episode yet. annoyed by the very WWE-like move of continuing the ice cold page-cole program past the PPV match. no interest in the PVZ/lambert crew thing. the wardlow deal was a big disappointment to me after the incredible story with MJF for the last year+. wasn't into any of the matches. bad crowd. THUMBS DOWN.

[Bert]

It's still there, if that's what you mean.

Did you kick me out of the server? I don't see it on my sidebar.

[Horatio]

surprised how many people seemed to like the show last night. i thought it was the worst episode yet. annoyed by the very WWE-like move of continuing the ice cold page-cole program past the PPV match. no interest in the PVZ/lambert crew thing. the wardlow deal was a big disappointment to me after the incredible story with MJF for the last year+. wasn't into any of the matches. bad crowd. THUMBS DOWN.
No thumbs up for Regal or the Workhorsemen?

You giving Matt the thumbs down, too?

[Tainted Eclipse]

regal was the highlight though his promo was pretty rambly, for forgivable reasons

[Horatio]

How about Sammy Guevara going through a table like Sonic the Hedgehog? Don't see that every day... Scorpio's kingsized backbreaker was a thing of beauty. And a TKO getting a finish after centuries of RKO was exactly what I wanted to see.

Scorpio was my favorite SoCal guy back in the day. Haven't liked him much in AEW, but I thought he was great last night. Sammy going hard through a table gave him something to focus on and the drama really made the match, but I still want to see Scorpio keep the title for more than a minute.

[Tainted Eclipse]

table bump was nasty but i wish AEW would milk some of these wild spots. eddie took an all time nasty looking table bump in the first segment and it was never mentioned again. AEW is so maximalist they don't know how to make things matter.

[Nash Diesel]

Putting the title on Scorpio is comical. The least interesting of SCU. 110% the worst part of the whole Dan Lambert Experience. Ethan Page....He's young, fresh, charismatic, can go in the ring, can actually talk....Why wasn't he the one in this spot?

Let's be honest with ourselves and just fucking admit that the TNT title hasn't been shit since Darby lost it.

[Nash Diesel]

table bump was nasty but i wish AEW would milk some of these wild spots. eddie took an all time nasty looking table bump in the first segment and it was never mentioned again. AEW is so maximalist they don't know how to make things matter.

Man that spot was scary. Jack Swagger is all look, the guy has never had upper body strength with his spaghetti arms. Almost killed the fuckin guy.

Payback for dumping Jericho on his 50 year old neck?

[VHS]

Did you kick me out of the server? I don't see it on my sidebar.

Yes, I did.

[VHS]

Man that spot was scary. Jack Swagger is all look, the guy has never had upper body strength with his spaghetti arms. Almost killed the fuckin guy.

Payback for dumping Jericho on his 50 year old neck?

Just watched it and ay yay yay, that was bad. Could have been a whole lot worse, but that was not good. I don't get why Jack is still around, he's never been with the time when Zeb wasn't by his side.

[Bert]

Yes, I did.

K.

[Bert]

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